What if… the Pacific war had not involved the US at all?

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What if the Pacific war had not involved the US at all?

For the purposes of this scenario, Adolf Hitler caught a bullet in the face during the Beer Hall Putsch and the Nazi party never seized power in Germany, thus no fighting in Europe.

The US has also signed a nonaggression pact with the Japanese allowing them to pass through their air space and waters unmolested.

The military power situation in The Pacific will be the same as it was at the beginning of the Pacific war, with the colonies only lightly defended to begin with.

The war will start out the same as the Pacific war did historically, with swift Japanese attacks on European holdings throughout the Pacific.

The allied forces are China, The United Kingdom, France, The Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

Will the Allied powers be able to fend off Japanese aggression, or will the massive distance and powerful opponent push them into suing for peace and giving up their pacific colonies (and in China‘s case entire country) to Japanese rule?

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5 Comments on "What if… the Pacific war had not involved the US at all?"

  1. Friendlysociopath September 27, 2015 at 12:15 am -      #1

    …Would Japan fight Australia? I find this idea hilarious.

  2. itcheyness September 27, 2015 at 12:30 am -      #2

    Japan did fight Australia during the Pacific War, the fighting around Papua New Guinea was part of Japan’s attempt to cut off Australia from the US and force it out of the war…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_campaign

  3. Aelfinn September 27, 2015 at 3:20 am -      #3

    Well the whole reason Japan attacked the US was because they didn’t give them the oil they needed to fund their rapid expansion. Assuming the US gives them the oil, Japan probably wins the area. Buuuuut, now that I think about it, if the UK isn’t tied down in The Battle of Britain and North Africa, they can probably throw much more men at the problem, but they’d still face difficult supply issues while contending with Japan’s fearsome Navy and Air Force. I’d guess that Japan beats the “Allied Forces”, but eventually they get into a fight with Russia. Russia’s probably still salty about the Russo-Japanese War, and now they have a reason to expand their sphere of communist influence while taking out an obvious aggressor. It happened in Eastern Europe. I can’t imagine Japan beating Russia, though. Japan might have had a certain amount of fanaticism, but even that won’t stop Stalin’s strategy of “Throw peasant after peasant at the problem until you crush them with your corpses and they drown in your blood”. While America ended WWII with the best political/economic position in Europe, it was Russia that won the Western Theater in terms of who did the fighting and dying (of course, America did give them millions of boots and trucks…).

  4. Sauroposeidon September 27, 2015 at 7:46 am -      #4

    There’d be no anime and no godzilla, so I’d be a very different person.

    Also Kitten would be speaking Japanese.

    Russia’s tactics don’t work in the water, which is why they are uniformly raped while at war with Japan, I believe. They literally stand no chance against Japan’s naval power.

    As we well know, Japan encountered and soundly defeated the Brits during the last big war, and I don’t see that trend stopping. I believe their internal politics that resulted in mismanaging their navy only arose because of their concept of honor and their desire to not lose ships once we started losing. Specifically, the Yamato.

    However, the Yamato was built with the idea that it could defeat anything we could fit through the Panama Canal.

    There’s no reason to assume they won’t just jump to building Super Yamatos since they know the other side has no size restrictions on their ships like we did. And there’s nothing in the waters now that could defeat a Super Yamato, or even a creaky Shinano, as awkward as that Yamato variant was.

    When we talk naval power, the rest of Europe isn’t even the discussion during WW2. It’s Germany, Japan, and the United States.

    Germany’s great Bismark was lost due to a lucky strike.

    Nothing the rest of Europe had was really a match for it.

    The Bismark pales compared to the Iowa, Montana, Yamato, and Super Yamato.

    Remember, the ship that disabled the Bismark was the Ark Royal. Which attacks its targets using Swordfish. Biplanes.

    They were using biplanes.

    Naval power is one of the biggest deciding factors in that war. Japan has all the cards here, and their aerial capabilities are beast as well.

  5. Darth Bombad September 27, 2015 at 8:01 am -      #5

    “They were using biplanes.”
    That’s a good point. Pre-war britain may have better industry. But it also lacks
    the tech advances that the conflict brought. Leaving them horribly outdated.

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