Parasite Unit Vs Covenant troops

Parasite Unit Vs Covenant troops

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Covenant (Halo) army invaded and took over Angola-Zaire Border Region from Metal Gear Solid 5. They are led by Arbiter and Tartarus. Covenant numbers are: 2200 elites, 540 Hunters, 2000 brutes, 3200 Skirmishers and 600 Kig-Yar Snipers. They also have 15 ghosts, 1 Scarab and 3 wraiths. Arbiter located in Nova Braga Airport and Tartarus is in Kungenga Mine. To win Covenant must either destroy all Skulls, kill commanders of the Parasite Unit or keep at least one of Covenant’s commaders alive for 3 days.

Allied command send a small number of troops to try and retake the region. Parasite Unit have these numbers: 2500 mist skulls, 1500 armored skulls and 500 sniper skulls. They are led by Quiet and Ocelot (Ocelot is from Metal Gear Solid 5). They also have Battle Gear and 10 CFA-WG Type-C gears (and elite soldiers to operate them). To win they must either destroy all Covenant forces or kill enemy commaders in 3 days. If they failed then reinforcements will arrive to help Covenants and Parasite Unit will lose. Parasite Unit can’t infect Covenant troops with disease, all other abilities work just fine.

Who will win?

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  1. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable October 1, 2015 at 3:49 am -      #101

    @Mack
    “What ghosts? You mean the Skulls? The reason why they can cut through tanks is because their blades are coated with a highly corrosive metallic archaea that could rust a helicopter in seconds.”
    – I’ve been wanting to call them Ghosts for the longest time. I guess 1 AM without sleep finally let it slip. Sorry. Ah, so there is a difference between those machetes (I’m also blaming 1 AM on the stupid typo I repeated) and real life machetes? Huh, I wonder if that’s the same for the guns…

    ” We only count the speed if they are running exactly towards the checkpoint not sideways to it.”
    – they were running exactly towards the check point. The calc is legit, kid. ~740 meters/hour is the speed of D-Horse during that particular instance. Oh, and, you still haven’t proven that Skulls are faster than D-Horse by a huge margin at all. Just faster.

    “Are you forgetting the word MAYBE? Fucking dumbass forgetting his own words”
    – Maybe makes them equal. If I am fighting someone and I maybe have a chance of winning, then me and this dude are obviously closer to each other in skill than not, right? And stop with the fucking names, you sound like a fucking child.

    “Yes they do, Lowk and I provided enough evidence and we both agree on this.”
    – No, they don’t. The best Lowk (not you, Lowk) has done is prove they have a range better than what I’ve been saying… so more than 200 meters. How do you get from more than 200 meters to 800 meters? What? No? Prove it.

    “Yes I want to bet, can a MA5 hits harder than a real life gun? How do you now it is a FMJ round?”
    – MA5 uses FMJ rounds [X]. Using some not so complicated math, the muzzle energy of the MA5C, which is the weapon I’m using, would hit with 3904 joules, a modern 7.62x51mm FMJ round hits with 3304 joules. So, yeah, quite a bit harder than modern rounds of the same caliber.

    “Faster?
    Yes”
    – Unproven.

    “More durable?
    Yes”
    – Nope, this is a flat out lie.

    “Better reactions?
    Possibly but still working on it but looks promising, snake is able to bullet time rather well.”
    – Yep, which is why I know they don’t have better reactions. The Master Chief was a bullet timer without Mjolnir (or close to it), with it he’s much better than any regular bullet timer and Hunters, Elites, Jackals, and Brutes all keep up with him.

    “Skulls can survive up 3-4 headshots and that is the weakest version.”
    – From a not-Beam Rifle. And a Beam Rifle would be knocking those headshots off quicker than shit.

    “Look back you fool.”
    – Again, you look like a fucking idiot. Please read the actual fucking comment, will you? Just once? There are three iterations of the word “elite” because, originally, each one was linked to a different race (Brutes, Hunters, and Jackals) and Brutes and Hunters got left out. Jesus christ, man.
    ==
    @Lowk
    “Seems to still hit the nail on the head
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzpq7V8H-Ns
    exceeding 200m”
    – Ah, Lowk, you’re too good. Okay, snipers are slightly better than 200 meters.

    “All that would’ve been necessary is the elite simply have been close enough to hear them talk to find them. ”
    – Yeah, they have helmet comms. Seriously, does no one know about the helmet comms? Are they a well kept secret or something?

  2. Ninja Lowk October 1, 2015 at 3:53 am -      #102

    Where did the 200 thing come from anyway? Haven’t gotten a chance to get the game but going by what video’s and image I’ve seen the effective range in-game only seems to be represented as the stereotypical bar
    s3.accelerated-ideas.com/generic/images/metalgearsolid5/mgs5_customize_weapons.jpg

  3. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable October 1, 2015 at 3:56 am -      #103

    @Lowk
    From the wiki. Go back to page one and search for “What wiki” the first one is gonna be Secrecy, hit “enter” again and my response links it. I forget what # it is, sorry.

    And seriously, Lowk. Do you imagine the Master Chief just chatting up with Cortana while everyone around him can hear? Or speaking with Infinity on Requiem with a thousand Promeatheon ears on him?

  4. Ninja Lowk October 1, 2015 at 4:00 am -      #104

    “– Yeah, they have helmet comms. Seriously, does no one know about the helmet comms? Are they a well kept secret or something?”

    Meh, Normally whenever I see that in comics the speech bubble tends to at least change to note to the readers that was what is happening.
    13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/HALOES18_PREVIEW_1.jpg
    Like that^

    Plus wouldn’t they have had to at least keep Glassman in the loop about what is going on?
    ===
    Small note on the range thing, Wouldn’t really matter with the inclusion of shields. An assassination attempt would more then likely take more than a single shot to take an Elite down. Which give them time to move or find cover.

  5. mack006 October 1, 2015 at 4:13 am -      #105

    “they were running exactly towards the check point. The calc is legit, kid. ~740 meters/hour is the speed of D-Horse during that particular instance. Oh, and, you still haven’t proven that Skulls are faster than D-Horse by a huge margin at all. Just faster.”

    No it isn’t. The validity is all wrong. The horse is running SIDEWAYS and in zig zags half the time. Displacement and distance are two different things.
    What else is there to prove? The Skulls clearly over take the horse multiple times for the last reminder. You dont need anymore proof to understand that. A rough estimate shows that the Skull might be 10km faster (I am generous here) in order to get in front of the horse in a few seconds. I have provided the evidence but you are just not getting them. 10km is not a huge margin

    “MA5 uses FMJ rounds [X]. Using some not so complicated math, the muzzle energy of the MA5C, which is the weapon I’m using, would hit with 3904 joules, a modern 7.62x51mm FMJ round hits with 3304 joules. So, yeah, quite a bit harder than modern rounds of the same caliber.”

    Good, that proves that if the skulls load FMJ rounds into their guns they can kill a Brute. Last time I checked the full clip of that rounds actually killed the Brute.

    Everything has been proven, some of them are done through your own words. A tip, evidence does not determine if something is correct. They just allow people to make closer assumptions not actually determine victory. Any source can be counted as ‘evidence’ and what is provided can vary from people to people. This is how debating works. Evidence does not mean 100% fact.

    ““Faster?
    Yes”
    – Unproven.

    “More durable?
    Yes”
    – Nope, this is a flat out lie.”

    All in denial

    “Maybe makes them equal”

    Maybe does not mean equal!

    “From a not-Beam Rifle. And a Beam Rifle would be knocking those headshots off quicker than shit.”

    What does speed of the round have to do with this? The Skulls can survive headshots, period.

    “Yep, which is why I know they don’t have better reactions. The Master Chief was a bullet timer without Mjolnir (or close to it), with it he’s much better than any regular bullet timer and Hunters, Elites, Jackals, and Brutes all keep up with him.”

    I don’t give a damn about MC. He was reacting to the guy’s finger, no matter what the guy wears his finger is still slower than the actual bullet. Snake is also a bullet timer and the Skulls give him trouble.

    “Again, you look like a fucking idiot. Please read the actual fucking comment, will you? Just once? There are three iterations of the word “elite” because, originally, each one was linked to a different race (Brutes, Hunters, and Jackals) and Brutes and Hunters got left out. Jesus christ, man.”

    Look before THAT dumbass, we were clearly talking about the Brute and it’s mad dash to the Spartans

    This Halo fanboy is more stubborn then a mule in mating season. Learn to think and accept the facts around you.

  6. Darth Bombad October 1, 2015 at 8:02 am -      #106

    “Nope, they are motion trackers.”

    Does anyone on the HALO side actually play HALO!. the small circle
    at the bottom left is the motion tracker. The large square at top left
    is where Roland or someone else at command gives you outside data.
    It has nothing to do with the Spartans. (unless that’s a new gadget)

    And yes i know that it has nothing to do with this debate. I just refuse
    to let people start spouting that crap as proof, until it’s confirmed.

    And why are we hung up on D-Horse?. The Skulls can outrun your jeep.
    Or any vehicle that you can use in the game for that matter.

  7. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable October 1, 2015 at 11:58 am -      #107

    @Mack
    “You dont need anymore proof to understand that. A rough estimate shows that the Skull might be 10km faster (I am generous here) in order to get in front of the horse in a few seconds”
    – First off, show me a better calc to more accurately estimate D-Horse’s speed, that is what I am unwilling to accept, you haven’t provided legitimate proof for how fast the horse is running meaning how fast the Skulls are is X+10. Fill in X.

    “Last time I checked the full clip of that rounds actually killed the Brute.”
    – Didn’t you at least read the fucking quote I gave? The clip to its chest did nothing to the brute. What killed that Brute? A grenade to the groin

    “John still clutched a frag grenade in his left hand. He flicked the arming pin—reached around and under, and thrust it into the Brute’s belt—then withdrew, sweeping out its one arm holding them up. The Brute dropped onto the floor and screamed with rage. The grenade detonated. It lifted them both a meter, and they landed again … this time accompanied by a wet, pulpy smack as the Brute’s dead hulk slammed into the ground.” First Strike; pg 313

    So, a whole clip of weapons that hit harder then contemporary weapons did shit all to a Brute – let’s not forget that before this it a took a barrage from Will and Fred before any of this even happened – but if the Skulls bring enough, eventually they’ll be able to kill a Brute, yeah.

    “All in denial”
    – Nah, sorry, you’ve yet to prove A) Skulls are faster than Elites/Brutes, but we can settle this and say the horse was going the average and the Skulls were going 10 kmh faster and B) Skulls aren’t more durable, I’m sorry guy, go read my examination of the snipers on post #74 to learn why.

    “Maybe does not mean equal!”
    – Yes it does.

    “What does speed of the round have to do with this? The Skulls can survive headshots, period.”
    – Who said speed of the round has anything to do with this? Yes, Skulls can survive headshots… from normal weapons. The Beam Rifle isn’t normal, how will the Skull deal with a cauterized quarter sized whole in their head?

    “He was reacting to the guy’s finger, no matter what the guy wears his finger is still slower than the actual bullet. Snake is also a bullet timer and the Skulls give him trouble.”
    – Its weird, its like you think the Master Chief is reacting to the guy’s finger but Snake is reacting to the bullet. Anyway, that was the Master Chief without MJOLNIR, with it he’s 5x faster, meaning bullet timerx5 has trouble against these guys.

    “Look before THAT dumbass, we were clearly talking about the Brute and it’s mad dash to the Spartans”
    – No we weren’t, kid. We were talking about the “Skull > Elite elite elite —
    "This Halo fanboy is more stubborn then a mule in mating season. Learn to think and accept the facts around you."
    – Ah, no, more name calling. I'm definitely going to need therapy now. I'm relatively sure I could get the banhammer out on you… but why would I do that? Nah, let's keep this withholding of evidence you're doing going.
    ==
    @Bombad
    "And why are we hung up on D-Horse?"
    – Because we have an average speed for the horse. Which is much better for determining speed of the Skulls as opposed to assuming the Jeep was going some speed, right?

  8. Friendlysociopath October 1, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #108

    First off, show me a better calc to more accurately estimate D-Horse’s speed

    I swear it’s been mentioned several times they can outrun a jeep as well. The horse by comparison is almost not worth mentioning.

    Because we have an average speed for the horse.

    Apparently you do not considering you barely know what breed of horse it is, let alone whether MGS horses are equal to our own.

    So, a whole clip of weapons that hit harder then contemporary weapons did shit all to a Brute

    Except we know it doesn’t take a grenade to kill a Brute every time; because the games, novels, and even some of the animations show them dying from conventional weaponry without the extreme issue they’re having against that one Brute.
    What you’re doing is known as “Cherrypicking”, ignoring all other information about something and focusing only on the one example you like.

    Anyway, that was the Master Chief without MJOLNIR, with it he’s 5x faster, meaning bullet timerx5 has trouble against these guys.

    Chief WITH Mjolnir has trouble dodging multiple bullets; without it he is certainly not a bullet-timer. He himself didn’t think he could dodge bullets until he received the armor- and even then he couldn’t dodge any decent amount of bullets in a short time. He is a bullet-timer but he’s at the low-end of the spectrum where anything above semiautomatic will likely hit him.

  9. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable October 1, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #109

    @Friendly
    “The horse by comparison is almost not worth mentioning.”
    – Except, again, we have an average for the horse. How would we deduce the speed of the jeep to get the speed of the Skulls?

    “Apparently you do not considering you barely know what breed of horse it is, let alone whether MGS horses are equal to our own.”
    – Averages are your friend here. How fast does the “average” jeep go? Does that question even make sense? the whole “equal to our own thing” goes against Jeeps too… unless jeeps are equal in every universe but horses aren’t?

    “Except we know it doesn’t take a grenade to kill a Brute every time; because the games, novels, and even some of the animations show them dying from conventional weaponry without the extreme issue they’re having against that one Brute.”
    – I wasn’t saying it takes a grenade to kill every Brute. I was saying for that one Brute it took a grenade. I freely admitted that with enough rounds you’d kill a Brute, how is that cheerypicking? I’m not saying this is the only way to kill a Brute, I’m showing a Brute’s durability.

    “Chief WITH Mjolnir has trouble dodging multiple bullets; without it he is certainly not a bullet-timer.”
    – Without it he can dodge bullets. Again, he faced down 3 men with heavy machine guns and only got hit 3 times by rounds going ~Mach 2, how’s that not a bullet timer?

  10. Friendlysociopath October 1, 2015 at 1:26 pm -      #110

    the whole “equal to our own thing” goes against Jeeps too… unless jeeps are equal in every universe but horses aren’t?

    Obviously it still would, yes. I’m leaving that up to someone who has played the game to answer speeds. I’m just pointing out it’s possible they’re faster.
    manga.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sengoku-basara-01.jpg
    Not every horse obeys our rules, we’ll certainly assume they do until evidence is shown otherwise.

    I’m not saying this is the only way to kill a Brute, I’m showing a Brute’s durability.

    Exactly,”a” Brute’s durability, Chief and other Spartans have managed to down Brutes with those “conventional weapons” many times.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O3Dlujvyu0
    By the looks of it that one Brute is abnormal since most other times firearms work fine on them.

    Again, he faced down 3 men with heavy machine guns and only got hit 3 times by rounds going ~Mach 2, how’s that not a bullet timer?

    1) He was still hit- he was already diving out of the way and was still hit. Not a bullet-timer feat by definition.
    2) He can only dodge bullets with his armor, he himself is amazed he can do it when he discovers he’s capable of it and he could literally only dodge one or two rounds. Without his armor he cannot dodge bullets.

  11. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable October 1, 2015 at 1:45 pm -      #111

    @Friendly
    “Not every horse obeys our rules, we’ll certainly assume they do until evidence is shown otherwise.”
    – So we’re in agreement on this? Since we don’t know how fast the jeep was going, its easier to estimate the speed off the average speed of horses since there’s nothing to say MGS’ horses are different compared to ours.

    “By the looks of it that one Brute is abnormal since most other times firearms work fine on them.”
    – Or their equipment gotten better. Remember, the one I was looking at was from fairly early on in the Halo story (between CE and 2), Legends takes place after 2, IIRC.

    “1) He was still hit- he was already diving out of the way and was still hit. Not a bullet-timer feat by definition.
    2) Without his armor he cannot dodge bullets.”
    – 1) No? He dove after they fired.
    2) Wrong given 1.

  12. Friendlysociopath October 1, 2015 at 2:36 pm -      #112

    Since we don’t know how fast the jeep was going, its easier to estimate the speed off the average speed of horses

    Not really, why is it easier to estimate the speed of the horse vs a jeep?

    1) No? He dove after they fired.
    2) Wrong given 1.


    “They fired. John dove to the left.”
    Yes, 3 bullets hit him as he dived to the left and the rest missed because he moved. That is not bullet-timing at all.
    He’s a bullet-timer with his armor, not without. You’re not dancing around that one- the books themselves contradict you since he himself points out he could only dodge one or two bullets- and only with his armor.

  13. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable October 1, 2015 at 3:18 pm -      #113

    @Friendly
    “Not really, why is it easier to estimate the speed of the horse vs a jeep?”
    – What was the speed of the Jeep? How’d you get that? Is terrain taken into advantage? Are their jeeps the exact same as our jeeps?
    With horse’s one can at least say “horses run this fast on average” and have a starting point, that doesn’t exist with the jeep.

    “He’s a bullet-timer with his armor, not without.”
    – Alright, I guess dodging bullets doesn’t make one a bullet timer. Whatever, really doesn’t matter.

  14. Friendlysociopath October 1, 2015 at 3:36 pm -      #114

    With horse’s one can at least say “horses run this fast on average” and have a starting point, that doesn’t exist with the jeep.

    You realize every single variable you just mentioned also applies to the horse? I just want to be sure you understand that. Someone who played the game would have to argue about the speed of the Jeep- I’ve not played the game in question. If it’s implied the Jeep is going at max speed that gives us a ballpark we can shoot for.

    Alright, I guess dodging bullets doesn’t make one a bullet timer.

    Not when you’re given the exact order, no. They fired, he moved, they still hit him. That’s open-and-shut not bullet-timing.

    Whatever, really doesn’t matter.

    Not directly no, but I do recall you mentioning that everyone could react to Spartans- which is quite the opposite of true since Spartans slay many Elites, Brutes, and other Covenant every time they encounter one another.

  15. Super Combine October 1, 2015 at 4:33 pm -      #115

    As someone whose actually played the game, (about 20% through), I’m sure D-Horse is faster (when sprinting) than the Jeeps, since I can catch up to them with D-Horse.

  16. mack006 October 1, 2015 at 9:20 pm -      #116

    I already mentioned several times that D Horse runs around 15 – 20m per second in the game. That puts it around 54 – 72km per hour. The Skulls are blitzing past the horse so add 10km and you’ll get 64 – 82km per hour.

    @Bombad
    I was wondering the exact same thing since you can only access the 500m in certain points in the game. So it could be a starship info. Otherwise the chief would have pulled that up every mission to check up on his status.

    @sociopath
    Yep, that is a taste on how I felt after ‘debating’ (repeating things over again) with this guy. He thinks all his evidence is true and everything you provide is false. That is why I lost my temper earlier. Since most of the posts IS made by the two of us in this thread, I can help you find previously covered points in the shitstorm if you need to. No one has to go over what I have suffered at the hands of this mad man.

    “Fuck you’re stupid”

    Words that kill
    Will you speak them to me?
    With your breath so still it makes me believe
    In the sins of the father

    Pride, feeds their blackened hearts
    And the thirst must be quenched to fuel hypocrisy

    I forgot the next lines…

  17. erickyboo October 1, 2015 at 11:00 pm -      #117

    youtu.be/rdTKUaWMYvo?t=3m08s

    youtu.be/WIWnxqf4O6Q?t=26s

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiiffLQcvE

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h5T-GoTHvU

    Jiralhanae and Sangheili are similar/superior in some ways to Spartans, however IN GENERAL Spartans perform better, but some Sangheili/Jiralhanae are a challenge.

    MJOLNIR does seem to have a 500m range thingy but I’m guessing at long ranges it’s not as precise and stuff, and 40m range is standard precise enough with 50m for some depending on their modifications. Linda and Tanaka have 50m range if I recall. But that’s UNSC, while UNSC/Swords of Sangheilios share tech, I don’t expect a lot of sangheili, and for those who do, to have 40m motion trackers, rather 25m at most I think if they have.

    Beam rifle’s [Type-50] known effective range is 1500m

    Assuming this is Thel ‘Vadamee and not Vadam, then he’d have his old arbiter armour and a normal energy sword as opposed to his personal Prophet’s bane.

    Still, either I missed it or no one has explained to me how you actually kill skulls in MGS. I’d expect volley of plasma to be quite effective at vaporizing flesh, bone and whatnot.

  18. the_man_with The_Answers October 1, 2015 at 11:25 pm -      #118

    “@TMWTA There are examples of sangheili/brutes going ‘toe to toe’ with Spartans.”

    “Toe-to-Toe” as in “Not getting brutally murdered immediately.” Even exceptional Elites under exceptionally favorable circumstances typically end up on the losing/unfavorable side of things.

    “And the quote I posted, Usze ‘Taham was catching up to a Spartan while carrying a human.
    Plus…”

    A SPARTAN-IV. Which isn’t as provably fast as a S-II.

    ” Sorry, Man, but shield strength goes up with rank. Ultra’s tank M14 rockets. Unless every Halo wiki is fucked up and you’re the only one who has ever played the game and noticed… which seems unlikely.”

    Have you even played the games? Like, you’re so wrong that literally anyone who has ever played any Halo game on more than one difficulty could casually prove you wrong.
    Observe, different shield strength with difficulty:
    Normal:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_keUGKYtZk
    Legendary:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdXY0ktYJgA

    I also have 95% confidence that whatever you believe you read on the wiki is taken far out of context as well.

    “They actually are. Elites its mostly shield strength, but Brutes are beasts.”

    Dodged the question. Noted. Yeah, you’ve got no fucking idea what you’re talking about.

    “And if that wasn’t enough”

    Brute was killed by a grenade in the following scene. And I doubt the Brute would have survived much longer having that many bullets in its chest.

    ” What’s the context and how am I out of it? Doesn’t really matter, though, Erickyboo posted a better quote. I’ll defer to that.”

    The Elite Commander “caught up” as in Blue Team had been in position for an extended amount of time before the Commander’s forces came through the portals and assaulted Blue Team’s position. It wasn’t any sort of foot-race.

    “The beauty about this is how vague I was with it and how many jumped down my throat because of it. Was I talking about a slip from an MA5? Probably not. Was a talking about a clip from a magnum? Probably. Should we be more specific with what clips we are using? Most definitely.”

    Just because you’re exceptionally error prone, I’m going to be exceptionally nitpicky and point out that none of those weapons use clips. They use magazines.

    “The beauty of this is that you give in to my argument and still think you won somehow. Yes, a rocket will outright kill most Elites (only Ultras and Councilors have this specific shield) and the ones that it can’t kill are severally weakened. I said all of that.Thanks for repeating it, though.”

    The beauty of this is that you are wrong in that a rocket will kill and Ultra on any difficulty in most games, It might survive a direct hit on Legendary in some games maybe (Can’t quite recall), but otherwise Ultras tanking rockets is almost exclusive to “Mythic” Difficulty (Legendary with Mythic skull on). And I doubt either Legendary or “Mythic” gameplay mechanics are canon for shield strength.

    “Yes, and it doesn’t. Period. The Magnum does low damage against a shielded opponent (13 headshots to kill, over one full magazine) and high against an unshielded foe. That’s just the way it is.”

    *Depending on difficulty

    “What’s the difference between a ordinary bullet and a shotgun shell? Well if I shot you with a round from a rifle there is a higher chance of you surviving with only a hole on you. If I fire a shotgun at you point blank there will be a hole the size of a dinner plate on your chest or if I fired from a distance then there will be 12 different areas where the pellets have struck. Do you even know what a shotgun is?”

    Unless I’m wearing decent armor. In which case an AP rifle round is more likely to penetrate and severely wound me while all but perhaps extreme cases a shotgun will knock the wind out of me but fail to penetrate.

    “Assuming it takes 5 seconds for John to stop, signal his team, pull out a frag grenade and look around. It should be around…”

    That’s a horrible assumption with absolutely no basis for said assumption.

    “This whole thing is just… wrong. First of all, why is it taking John 5 seconds to react? This is John we’re talking about, ya know? A Spartan? If it would take a normal person 5 seconds to do all of that, it would take John something like 10x less – I think that’s how much better his reaction time is compared to a normal human, unarmored and with no adrenaline rushing through his veins. I think MJOLNIR increases that by a factor of 5, if I recall the Fall of Reach correctly.
    So, divide that 5 by a factor of 15, 333 microseconds, that’s close enough to 1 though, so we’ll say… 2 seconds because I am so nice but I’ll also calc the other two, why the hell not?
    25/2= 12.5 meters/second
    12.5*60= 750 meters/minute
    750*60= 45000 meters/hour
    Which is 45 km/h, 1 second = 90 km/h, 333 microseconds = 270 km/h.
    any feats of any type of Skull moving that fast?
    Or we can go the easy route. Its written that the Brute is as fast as John, we know Spartans move at 62 km/h or 38.5 mph, which would sit neatly between 1 and 2 seconds. Just a thought.”

    Holy shit Mack, you just got out-done by Unanswerable, who actually did indeed go through some form of logical deduction of some sort to form a range of assumptions.

    “Jackels cannot react to Spartans, any Halo fan out there will know. When they do run it is extremely slow and un coordinated.”

    Jackals are physically superior to normal humans. Obviously leave a lot to be desired when compared to SPARTANs.

    “Ok, I believe you are missing some crucial information or just refraining them from us. All those Spartans have already sustained heavy injuries from previous battles.They were at their limit, John is said (according to Hasley) to have burns, brain damage, fractures, and internal bleeding. Those Spartans have been fighting since Reach got underattack from the beginning. A normal Spartan would have killed a Brute in a single uppercut according to the wiki.”

    Which has never stopped them from doing absurd things, and certainly shouldn’t cause them from going through a Stop->Signal->Grenade sequence slower than an untrained human.

    “TMWTA could probably tell us why/how the MA5 is better than what we got today, but I’ll assume its the same. Meaning, it hits with roughly the same muzzle energy as a 12-guage at point blank and is almost twice as powerful at 100 yards. So… there’s that.”

    Honestly the ~1kJ muzzle energy difference is the least of my concerns with your comparison. By the nature of shotguns, that energy/momentum is distributed across a much wider area, and has vastly inferior ballistics compared to a single 7.62x51mm round. Meaning less armor penetration and significantly greater decline in terminal ballistics at range.

    “If you may, we know that a UNSC sniper “at 548 meters, a round will go through about 13 feet of flesh and bone” [X] (changed 600 yards to its meter conversion for consistency, hope that isn’t a problem.) A 12.7x108mm round will penetrate up to 20 mm of steel (at 100 meters) [X]. Since no specific type of steel is mentioned, I’ll assume they meant A514 since its an especially strong alloy of steel and has a tensile strength of 690, bone has a tensile strength of 121, so A514 is 5.5x stronger than bone. 13 feet is 3962 mm, I’m going to divide that by the difference in tensile strength (probably isn’t right, but its my best guess as to how to reach a conclusion) and that gives as 720mm of steel equivalent at 5 times the range. If this is right (big if, I really doubt myself with the maths, feel free to correct me please), then getting hit with the UNSC sniper is roughly 30 times more damaging at 590 meters than the 12.7x108mm at 100m.”

    That’s actually… a fairly good observation. Though Since it’s “Flesh AND Bone,” The average tensile strength should be more like 61.75MPa. Also, IIRC, armor penetration is typically in relation to RHA steel, which should average around 813.8MPa. So more realistically RHA is 13.18x “stronger” than “Flesh and bone.” Meaning the Halo Sniper Rifle should theoretically be able to pierce about 300.6mm of RHA at 600 yards, or about 30 centimeters for a more easily visualized number.

    Though that is less a function of raw energy or “power” than it is projectile/ballistic design. And is actually more of an issue against “soft-targets” considering it is more likely to just blow clean through. Granted the hydrostatic shock for a round that size at what I’m assuming to be exceptionally high speeds is going to be insanely lethal regardless of it passing “cleanly” through.

    “Wouldn’t Stun rounds have to be slower then actually bullets to be none lethal?”

    UNSC Stun rounds, typically called “Tactical Training Rounds” in canon (TTR for short) are implied to be rather high velocity. They are a plastic bullet that dissolves into paint upon some proximity before impact. Which means you can have much higher speeds without being lethal, as the paint dispersal will not only drastically reduce speed before the impact, but also distribute the force across a wider area. It still very clearly hurts through armor, which for example a 100m/s paintball would be un-felt through said armor.

    So being lethal at close range is likely a function of the stun round not being able to dissolve completely or at all before impact, hitting you more like an actual bullet than a training round.

    “Those aren’t motion trackers. The motion trackers are the small circles
    at the bottom left. Those seem to be outside data. Most likely from a ship.”

    The point remains that motion trackers are not static at 25m. Fred adjusts his range in First Strike to fully encapsulate a wide free-fall V-formation of 25-odd SPARTANs or so, a distance across that could easily be beyond 40 meters. Chief’s motion tracker also picked up a jet flying at “extreme range.”
    Here’s the quote:
    “Motion tracking is picking up an incoming target at extreme range,” Cortana warned. “Velocity profile
    matches the SkyHawk, Chief.”

    Air-to-Ground strafing run heights typically run from 91.44 meters to 243.8 meters in height. And that’s just the vertical height. On the low end the SkyHawk would have been 100 meters away horizontally, for a total straight line distance of 135.5 meter low end range, and a high-end of roughly 1,029 meters assuming a 1,000 meter horizontal firing range (Could actually be longer for the 50mm cannons on the SkyHawk).

    But of course, that’s MJOLNIR and not necessarily that of a Covenant tracker.

    “My bad, forgot to write half. 100 m/s is under half the speed of sound. So without armor Spartans are arrow timers.”

    Even modern simunition is around the 150m/s mark, and those rounds aren’t anywhere near being as lethal as implied. But I already explained what the UNSC uses for training rounds.

    “Here is the video you so wanted. While I’ll take back the double speed. We see how the Skulls can easily keep up with D Horse and with those leaps they can easily get ahead of him. So they are obviously travelling faster than the horse.
    If we take the scenes where the player is directly running towards the checkpoint (crosshead), D Horse runs at around 15 – 20m per second.
    Which in turn can be around 54km per hour or 72km per hour depending if it is running up a hill or not. Since the Skulls can catch up to it when they fall behind their speed could be around 64 – 82km per hour if they don’t do that jump. Add teleportation and phasing, we have a very fast opponent.”

    Horse speed is a function of anticipated distance run/pacing. And Googling “Average Speed” for anything is a bit misleading. For example, if you do so for a human, it will tell you 28mph. Which is actually like, the 100 meter sprint speeds of the most Elite human sprinters in the world. And additionally, a Human endurance athlete will actually be likely to beat a Horse in a race exceeding 30 miles in length, because humans are built to be insane bipedal running/movement endurance machines. Frequency of turns is also something to take into consideration.

    Looking at the video, at 2:47 I’m reading the distance as 650 meters, and the Skulls are about equal to the Horse, and by 2:48 the distance reads 634 meters. Which is 16 m/s or 35.75mph for the Horse. The Skulls seem to have outpaced the Horse by an additional 10 meters (Found by playing the video until the Horse obtained the same location as the Skulls at 2:48, then reading the distance), meaning they were moving at roughly 26 meters per second, or 58.16mph.
    For what it’s worth anyways.

    “Because TMWTA is a much more respected debater than you who has been in BankGambling for years already and his speciality lies in Halo. I will take his word over yours anyday.”

    Awwwww

    “To be fair, it is kind of easy to see where he is coming from when stuff……”

    Or you know, actually playing the games or reading the lore at all. Instead of what I’m assuming to be a out-of context quote from a wiki.

    “This video shows D-Horse covering 562 meters in 45 seconds, between 2:26 and 3:11 (If my math is right.) That comes down to 12.4 m/s, 744 meters an hour. Not even a kilometer and hour.”

    Not only is your math wrong, but you fail to account that over that passage of time, the horse isn’t traveling in something even remotely close to a straight line.

    ” Sure, if I were to take an uneducated look at Halo I would agree with him. Dunno if that’s good or not though.”

    Lol “if I were to take an uneducated look.”

    “Does anyone on the HALO side actually play HALO!. the small circle
    at the bottom left is the motion tracker. The large square at top left
    is where Roland or someone else at command gives you outside data.
    It has nothing to do with the Spartans. (unless that’s a new gadget)”

    The data was actually being GIVEN to the Infinity BY the suit. IE information retrieved by the suit’s sensors. Context is like, totes important.

    ” Didn’t you at least read the fucking quote I gave? The clip to its chest did nothing to the brute. What killed that Brute? A grenade to the groin”

    The Brute would have likely succumbed to the previous injuries after it’s adrenaline wore off and its “shock tolerance” wore down. Because I’m pretty sure a Brute needs non-eviscerated organs to survive on the long-term. Don’t get me wrong, surviving all that is super impressive, but more akin to a guy all drugged up on PCP momentarily surviving a dozen bullets than it would be of sheer muscle power deflecting gunfire.

    “I was wondering the exact same thing since you can only access the 500m in certain points in the game. So it could be a starship info. Otherwise the chief would have pulled that up every mission to check up on his status.”

    Effective tracking/positioning gets harder and harder with a significantly boosted range. To the point of it being impractical in most cases. Most times we see Chief, he’s operating in CQC environments where multi-hundred meter motion tracking would be just be a distraction that makes pinning the relative locations of the actual targets more difficult. But as seen in TFoR, it can be useful to pick up specific individual targets at range.

    I’m sure Darth Bombard’s mind is just blown that I’m not “wanking” Halo and actually supporting arguments on the other side of the equation.

  19. mack006 October 2, 2015 at 4:28 am -      #119

    So does this mean the Skulls are better than Elites, Brute and Jackals now?
    They beat them in endurance, speed and possibly reaction time (I think).
    Can we move on now?

  20. Darth Bombad October 2, 2015 at 5:10 am -      #120

    “I’m sure Darth Bombard’s mind is just blown that I’m not “wanking” Halo and actually supporting arguments on the other side of the equation.”

    blog.ancientlasers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Mind-Blown.jpg 😉

  21. Secrecy27 October 2, 2015 at 9:27 am -      #121

    As someone whose actually played the game, (about 20% through), I’m sure D-Horse is faster (when sprinting) than the Jeeps, since I can catch up to them with D-Horse.
    -I just want to point out that the jeeps you chase are never going at top-speed.

  22. Secrecy27 October 2, 2015 at 9:50 am -      #122

    And, I did a small test with D-Horse, he runs approximately 1059m in 1min 8sec, putting his speed at about 56kph, taken into account that no area is flat and without obstacles, so roughly around 56kph.
    =
    Video:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s-dnKJP7ic

  23. the_man_with The_Answers October 2, 2015 at 11:25 am -      #123

    Which is almost exactly the speed I calculated as well

  24. Secrecy27 October 2, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #124

    Still, either I missed it or no one has explained to me how you actually kill skulls in MGS. I’d expect volley of plasma to be quite effective at vaporizing flesh, bone and whatnot.
    -You never do, no matter what you throw at them (including tank shells), they’re just immobilized.
    =
    Now, all this aside, I think I remember Code Talker (creator of the parasite enhancing the Skulls) talking about that each body part is self sustaining, meaning that if you cut a Skull in half he’ll just continue living, and the only effective way to kill them (truly kill) is to burn the body to ashes. I seem to remember them having a weakness to salt water though.

  25. the_man_with The_Answers October 2, 2015 at 2:48 pm -      #125

    “Now, all this aside, I think I remember Code Talker (creator of the parasite enhancing the Skulls) talking about that each body part is self sustaining, meaning that if you cut a Skull in half he’ll just continue living, and the only effective way to kill them (truly kill) is to burn the body to ashes. I seem to remember them having a weakness to salt water though.”

    Lucky that almost all Covenant weapons aim to do just that.

    Granted immobilization “kills” should still be effective regardless.

    “So does this mean the Skulls are better than Elites, Brute and Jackals now?
    They beat them in endurance, speed and possibly reaction time (I think).
    Can we move on now?”

    The biggest issue here is that winning conditions for the Covenant include keeping their leaders alive for 3 days. Which should be rather trivial with the amount of forces on both sides here.

  26. Secrecy27 October 2, 2015 at 4:06 pm -      #126

    Lucky that almost all Covenant weapons aim to do just that
    -I know, but is there any instances where total vaporization actually happens?
    My other question is: does water have any effect on the plasma?

    And going back to my previous post, the Skulls are “weak” ,in a way, to all water, salt water hurts them, freshwater overwhelms them with desire, they forget all they are doing to absorb the water, effectively “stunning” them.

  27. the_man_with The_Answers October 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm -      #127

    “I know, but is there any instances where total vaporization actually happens?”

    Only heavier weapons do that. Overcharged plasma pistols and bursts of other Covenant plasma weapons have been known to take off limbs or heads.

    “My other question is: does water have any effect on the plasma?”

    Covenant weapons will vaporize X amount of water on contact or what have you, but otherwise not really. Unless you are under a significant amount of water, in which case the water will act as a heat sink of sorts. Like, if you are 10 feet under the surface of the ocean, a burst of plasma fire probably isn’t going to drastically alter your surrounding conditions. Wraith mortars have been known to do some gnarly things when it comes to vaporization though.

    “And going back to my previous post, the Skulls are “weak” ,in a way, to all water, salt water hurts them, freshwater overwhelms them with desire, they forget all they are doing to absorb the water, effectively “stunning” them.”

    Which is a weakness I doubt the Covenant would discover. Though if they somehow did, there would be no doubt that they would capitalize on it.

  28. Secrecy27 October 2, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #128

    Only heavier weapons do that. Overcharged plasma pistols and bursts of other Covenant plasma weapons have been known to take off limbs or heads.
    -Take them off, or burn them off?
    It sounds more like physical force, rather than vaporization or burns.

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