Kharn the Betrayer Vs SpiderMan

Kharn the Betrayer Vs SpiderMan

Suggested by Nsl98

Kharn the Betrayer (WH40K) will go up against Spider-Man (Marvel)

They fight in the streets of NYC.

Current incarnations for both.

Who wins?

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207 Comments on "Kharn the Betrayer Vs SpiderMan"

  1. Ninja Lowk September 14, 2015 at 8:13 am -      #101

    “Again sorry your feats are contradictory to what marvel says spider-man can do.”

    You mean the feats made BY marvel? Repeatedly shown multiple times BY marvel?

  2. Dmtl September 14, 2015 at 8:19 am -      #102

    AFAIK those comics scanned look from the 90s and that is def not 616. So according to marvel no.

  3. Ninja Lowk September 14, 2015 at 8:56 am -      #103

    90’s spiderman is the same as current. Even with the universes death 616 spiderman lives.
    But Since I really don’t feel like hunting down exact which issue those comics are from. Here’s a more current 616 feat
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111120069/4709052-8851194667-47090.jpg
    Armored trucks can get up to 27 tons
    www.newslincolncounty.com/archives/98469

    Also someone showed the landing gear feat which I know is most definitely from 616. One of the sorta recent Amazing Spider man volumes.
    Spidey seems to like pushing himself past his “limits”. Regardless of how, he does it, multiple times; all in canon.

  4. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 9:01 am -      #104

    How is anything I said blatantly false everything I said about spider-man was from marvel.com

    Because you’re also saying there’s nothing else to the character, which IS blatantly false since that is nothing more than a basic summary of the character.

    Spiderman has always been said to be only in that range of strength, he then demonstrates far greater feats many times, repeatedly, throughout his career. Hell, even in his movies he was showing feats above 10 tons.

  5. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 9:03 am -      #105

    @DM
    AFAIK those comics scanned look from the 90s and that is def not 616. So according to marvel no.

    It is 616. The Spider Man shown today is the same from 50 years ago. You don’t get to decide what is and isn’t canon.

    Also, please enlighten us as to how it “isn’t 616”.

    Kharn has 10k years experience fighting. Has the stamina durability and strength to fight for longer periods than spider who is just a human.

    Spider Man isn’t a regular human, stop kidding yourself. And Spider Man has fought plenty of people with fighting experience. He even developed his own Martial Art.

  6. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 9:10 am -      #106

    @DM
    Also by the way the Rhino lol sorry that won’t cut it. That last link I don’t even know what that is

    And why won’t the Rhino cut it? It’s a valid feat, and he’s also stopped him right in his tracks before:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/121489/2813114-2043729_hulk_cap_rhino_spidey_l.jpg

    That last link is him lifting a bunch of rubble that collapsed an underground lair.

    How is anything I said blatantly false everything I said about spider-man was from

    Because the very same Marvel has released comics that show Spidey is far above 10 tons.

  7. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 9:20 am -      #107

    So before I head off for college today I’ll summarize how I currently see this match-up based on evidence provided:
    Reflexes-
    Precog edges Spiderman to the lead, but otherwise I think Kharne has better feats currently.
    Strength-
    Pretty sure Spiderman can outdo Kharn in sheer strength.
    Durability-
    Kharn, not sure his armor is durable enough to shake off that many Spiderman hits- but on the flipside Spiderman has no armor at all and is completely reliant on dodging.
    Technique-
    NS, refresh my memory- didn’t Spiderman fight Madam Web, without his Spidersense, to a standstill? Madam Web can see the future and still couldn’t beat Spiderman? I’ll be leaning towards Spiderman if I remembered that right.

    Aha, I was
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111157/3746773-1959460-spiderfight4.jpg

  8. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 9:39 am -      #108

    NS, refresh my memory- didn’t Spiderman fight Madam Web, without his Spidersense, to a standstill? Madam Web can see the future and still couldn’t beat Spiderman? I’ll be leaning towards Spiderman if I remembered that right.

    Yeah. And it looks like you found the scan.

    I think if Kharn gets a few good hits in with his axe he can edge out a win. Spidey’s webbing, agility, and strength are gonna be a pain though.

  9. Myrmidon September 14, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #109

    Wow, even when Marvel has stated how strong Spiderman is you guys still don’t accept it?
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    Kharn is infinitely more experienced and skilled at fighting then Spiderman, that much is fact.

  10. Ninja Lowk September 14, 2015 at 11:53 am -      #110

    “Wow, even when Marvel has stated how strong Spiderman is you guys still don’t accept it?”

    Marvel also repeatedly shows him doing greater.
    Do people not understand even regular ass people are capable of lifting more then what they are normally capable of? Our bodies are capable of a lot more then most realize and we aren’t genetically enhnced like Spidey is.

  11. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 14, 2015 at 12:56 pm -      #111

    “Wow, even when Marvel has stated how strong Spiderman is you guys still don’t accept it?”

    Wow, even when Marvel has shown how strong Spiderman is you guys still don’t accept it?

    Marvel’s scale isn’t accurate, they have guys listed to be 90 tons yet they have planetary level feats (Thor used to be a great example, Wonder Man, Hyperion, Joe Fixit is listed as lower and has the same). Then Iron Man is listed as 100 tonner and gets shit on by those guys.

  12. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #112

    Wow, even when Marvel has stated how strong Spiderman is you guys still don’t accept it?

    I feel like you and Dmtl aren’t clicking on the links for some reason. I wonder why I’m getting that feeling?

    Kharn is infinitely more experienced and skilled at fighting then Spiderman, that much is fact

    Debatable. Age doesn’t always equate to experience and Spidey has fought many a skilled foe in his time being active.

  13. Myrmidon September 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm -      #113

    Marvel also repeatedly shows him doing greater.
    Wow, even when Marvel has shown how strong Spiderman is you guys still don’t accept it?
    =
    They might not have even shown it in canon of what Dmtl says is true. How are we supposed to know if all the feats posted are canon? You all could be just picking scans from different Spidey’s and saying they’re one and the same.
    =
    Also, it’s funny how the different art styles thing has been brought up twice now and dismissed both times. Way to be fanboys.
    =
    Marvel’s scale isn’t accurate
    =
    Yes, let’s completely disregard the company that made the characters statements on said characters.
    =
    Our bodies are capable of a lot more then most realize and we aren’t genetically enhnced like Spidey is.
    =
    We don’t know just how enhanced Spiderman is. Oh wait, we have a statement from Marvel that everyone ignores.
    =
    I wonder why I’m getting that feeling?
    =
    I’ve been clicking on the links. I just don’t know if they’re canon.
    =
    Debatable. Age doesn’t always equate to experience and Spidey has fought many a skilled foe in his time being active.
    =
    I’m sure they are as skilled as the guy who effortlessly killed thousands of people in one battle.

  14. Ninja Lowk September 14, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #114

    You are really gonna make me search through several hundred comics to find out which one the feats are from aren’t you?

  15. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 2:06 pm -      #115

    He can do it himself by clicking next issue:
    marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_1_1

    But make sure you start with one of the greatest stories ever told:
    marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Amazing_Fantasy_Vol_1_15

  16. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 14, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #116

    “They might not have even shown it in canon of what Dmtl says is true.”

    It’s not. You’ve been told repeatedly that Spidey back when he first appeared in Amazing Fantasy #15 is the same one as the Spidey appearing in Secret Wars now.
    =
    “How are we supposed to know if all the feats posted are canon?”

    Well, you can either trust us or try to find series, volume, and issue numbers to determine if they’re canon. I recommend the former, the latter gets difficult to do after while. Especially since most characters have multiple series going on at once and have been going on for years, etc.
    =
    “Also, it’s funny how the different art styles thing has been brought up twice now and dismissed both times. ”

    Art style is really only relevant with DC, even then that’s just how old it looks and less the art style itself.

    Good example of why art styles don’t matter is the current Superman series. The first few issues have a completely different art style than current issues, but it’s all the same series and all N52.
    =
    “Yes, let’s completely disregard the company that made the characters statements on said characters.”

    Yes, let’s completely disregard the company that made the characters feats on said characters.

    I can do this all day.

    And way to ignore the rest of my comment about characters performing feats far above their supposed “strength max.”
    =
    “Oh wait, we have a statement from Marvel that everyone ignores.”

    Oh wait, we have feats from Marvel that two people ignore.
    =
    “I’m sure they are as skilled as the guy who effortlessly killed thousands of people in one battle”

    How do I know that’s canon?

  17. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 2:13 pm -      #117

    Also, it’s funny how the different art styles thing has been brought up twice now and dismissed both times.

    Because the artists changed? Spiderman’s been in comics for a few decades- you think he’s had the same artist for all of that?
    A change in art is a possible indication of new canon but doesn’t 100% mean there is new canon.

    They might not have even shown it in canon of what Dmtl says is true.

    But they are all canon, so what he says is not true. Spiderman has not undergone any sort of retcon to say, “This didn’t happen.” He had the Power Cosmic- then he lost it- still 100% canon.

    Way to be fanboys.

    I assure you- you have yet to deal with ANY of the fanboys on this site. Defending a point =/= fanboy. Defending a point is what makes you a debater.

    Yes, let’s completely disregard the company that made the characters statements on said characters.

    Sigh
    What’s Spiderman’s reaction time?
    How fast can he move?
    How durable is he?
    How much webbing does he have?
    How strong is his webbing?
    Answer me those questions using just that “official” page. Go ahead.

  18. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 14, 2015 at 2:22 pm -      #118

    @Friendly 2 out of 5 of those are actually on Marvel’s official site (durability is incredibly vague though)but we have feats for those too…sooooooooo….guess which we go off of? Hint, it’s in the comics.

  19. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #119

    @CH1
    Ah but look what else is on Spider-Man’s page

    Universe “Marvel Universe”
    Which then links you to:
    marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
    Which then has this written-

    Universe
    Marvel Universe (Earth-616)

    So yeah, Spiderman has one listed universe, which links to 616… interesting.

    2 out of 5 of those are actually on Marvel’s official site (durability is incredibly vague though)

    That would be the point, we need more- so we calc based on feats. Hell, they outright have Spiderman say multiple times, “I can’t do this- but I have to!”
    Hell, for most he explicitly goes out of his way to LIST by how much he can’t do something- and then he does it.

  20. Myrmidon September 14, 2015 at 3:14 pm -      #120

    Look, all these scans are fine and all, but the fact doesn’t change:
    Kharn has been fighting and killing bullet timers (like Spiderman) for years. Spiderman will be nothing new to him and another body to add to his body count.
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    I sincerely doubt Spiderman hits as hard as this:
    Barsabbas almost did not feel the crash. The drop pod collided with the planet’s surface at high speed and continued to bounce with a loose, jarring expulsion of force. The impact would have shattered any normal human’s skeletal structure.
    – Blood Gorgons
    =
    Their armor allows them to tank bolter rounds:
    Kohl and Ephrial exchanged fire with them, dropping several with well-aimed shots. A burst of heavy bolter fire answered them, stitching the two Astartes with a stream of shells. Both warriors staggered beneath the hits, but their armour turned aside the blows.
    =
    I don’t think Spider-Man’s strength is enough.

  21. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 3:23 pm -      #121

    Kharn has been fighting and killing bullet timers (like Spiderman) for years.

    Spidey is much more than just a bullet timer. Lightning timer would be more accurate. And that’s without the pre cog. His precog is pretty much one of his best attributes.

    I don’t think Spider-Man’s strength is enough.

    He has webbing too ya know. And, as proven, its freakishly strong webbing at that.

  22. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm -      #122

    Kharn has been fighting and killing bullet timers (like Spiderman) for years.

    Here’s the thing- we still need to go over everything.
    A list of bullet-timers who would destroy Kharn:
    Percy Jackson
    Raiden (Metal Gear)
    I believe Dante already DID beat Kharn
    Haruko from FLCL
    and the list goes on- because there’s more to a fight than that.

    Percy can bring hundreds of thousands of gallons against water against Kharn to drown/crush him.
    Raiden is just “screw reality” amounts of strong.
    Dante has extra powers that allow him to make up any inferiority in stats he may have.
    Haruko… look, Haruko is insane and let’s leave it at that.
    And so we need to do the same here for Spider-Man.

    I sincerely doubt Spiderman hits as hard as this
    The impact would have shattered any normal human’s skeletal structure.

    Actually yes considering we can measure Spiderman’s strength- we know for a fact he can hit “that” hard. Hell, him being able to lift your paltry 10 tons lets him hit “that” hard.

    I don’t think Spider-Man’s strength is enough.

    True, but you also think Spider-Man can’t hit any harder than that page says despite evidence to the contrary. (scans)

  23. Myrmidon September 14, 2015 at 3:38 pm -      #123

    Here’s the thing- we still need to go over everything.
    =
    Like what? We’ve already gone over that Kharn is more skilled, Spiderman is everything else. What more is there to discuss?
    =
    And raw skill should edge out over any physical deficiencies Kharn has against Spiderman. Fighting skill is no joke.
    =
    A list of bullet-timers who would destroy Kharn:
    Percy Jackson
    Raiden (Metal Gear)
    I believe Dante already DID beat Kharn
    Haruko from FLCL
    and the list goes on- because there’s more to a fight than that.

    =
    Percy: Disagree, considering the matches he’s had here. The people he’s fought don’t quite seem on Kharn’s level.
    Raiden: Agree after watching Death Battle
    Dante: Disagree. Dante is overrated.
    Haruko: Never heard of him
    =
    True, but you also think Spider-Man can’t hit any harder than that page says despite evidence to the contrary. (scans)
    =
    I’m just going off what Marvel says…

  24. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 3:44 pm -      #124

    @Myrm
    What more is there to discuss?

    Oh you know, just standard gear and all that. MO’s, fighting style, what could happen and stuff. Also the fact that with large amounts of webbing Kharn could get incapacitated.

    I’m just going off what Marvel says…

    We’re going off what’s been published.

    @Friendly
    and the list goes on-

    Samurai Jack
    Harry Dresden
    Venom
    Cloud Strife
    Etc etc

    Just to name a few.

  25. Mea quidem sententia September 14, 2015 at 3:48 pm -      #125

    I wonder why Marvel.com hasn’t updated that about Spider-Man’s strength, especially when 10 tons is his optimal strength. There is a comparison between Marvel’s view and fans’ view of Spider-Man’s abilities.

    In the first link, Spider-Man is holding a city bus over his head. I’m not sure if there is anyone in there or not, but according to Yahoo! Answers, a bus can weigh up to 27,000 lbs. empty, which is equal to 13.5 lbs. So that’s already over the optimal limit.

    Spider-Man also says, “I can lift hundreds of times my body weight.” If Spider-Man weighs 167 lbs., and if we assume 200 pounds as the multiplier, since “hundreds” is plural, then that means Spider-Man is able to lift 33,400 lbs., or 16.7 tons. Once again, he is over his optimal limit.

    So already we have Spider-Man surpassing 10 tons from that panel alone.

  26. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #126

    We’ve already gone over that Kharn is more skilled, Spiderman is everything else.

    So… faster, stronger, more durable? Nope.
    I don’t think even the mightiest wank makes Spiderman more durable than Kharn. This is the sort of thing we need to go over; if you don’t want to you certainly aren’t going to be forced to.

    And raw skill should edge out over any physical deficiencies Kharn has against Spiderman.


    Bruce Lee vs Superman- how’s that fighting skill going to help him win? Skill is but one thing that must be gone over, just like speed, weapons, methods, and everything else.

    Rose from Legend of Dragoon has like 10,000 years of killing for her experience- and Kharn would wreck her shit so hard in a fight.

    This is not me picking on you btw, just talking back and forth.

    Percy: Disagree, considering the matches he’s had here. The people he’s fought don’t quite seem on Kharn’s level.
    Raiden: Agree after watching Death Battle
    Dante: Disagree. Dante is overrated.
    Haruko: Never heard of him


    Percy: Let me put it like this, check out some of his matches- and read his feats.
    Raiden: Good
    Dante: I think that actually IS a match on here- I think, Pimp certainly admitted Dante would defeat Kharn and from Pimp that means a lot.
    Haruko: … well… fine- here you go- Haruko is the pink-haired one:
    youtu.be/q8FvM8H_0-k?t=2m52s

    I’m just going off what Marvel says…

    I know, and that’s why I’m trying to help explain to you how this works.

  27. Ninja Lowk September 14, 2015 at 4:35 pm -      #127

    “They might not have even shown it in canon of what Dmtl says is true.”

    He isn’t. He’s just grasping at straws.
    The feat where he knocked over a train car. Somewhere during Amazing spider-man 320-321 where he teamed up with paladin. Also the same issues where he lifted the tanks noted as being en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90

    The feat where he supported the landing gear for the plane, Amazing Spiderman 694.

    The thing where he caught the armored truck. 628, “brother can you spare a crime”. Also canon616.
    ===
    “We don’t know just how enhanced Spiderman is. Oh wait, we have a statement from Marvel that everyone ignores.”

    Your missing my point. His 10 tons would be like what your max without fear pumping adrenaline through you would be.
    If it weren’t for the multiple examples of him surpassing 10 tons, I’d agree with you. The thing is, there is an actual reason he would be capable of it and it is supported by canon showings.

  28. Nsl98 September 14, 2015 at 5:44 pm -      #128

    I don’t think even the mightiest wank makes Spiderman more durable than Kharn

    In terms of blunt force, I don’t think Kharn massively outclasses in durability. Maybe just by a really big bit. But piercing/cutting? I think Kharn has him totally beat.

  29. Commissar Gaunt September 14, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #129

    Hold on, just got to ask. a marine less the Kharn was catching bullets from 10 or so shooters showing speed, and Kharn have a gun with a blast radius, that doesn’t kill you with the blast. That Chainaxe can slice throught a Tank easily, and he is strong enought to pick up a heavy battle Tank without too much strain on mid level Calculations. He is omly going to need one hit to kill Spidy. And with that speed, and a reach of up to 11 feet(Ax is around 6 foot, arm around 5 if i did metric conversion correctly ) You figure he can tag him the once that he needs. That armour is amazing against blunt force, with mostly only piercing weapons really doing damage to the Marine. His bones are augmented against blunt force, if needed i can pull the full list of Augments. Can’t write much more, Gunney is coming back around.

  30. Friendlysociopath September 14, 2015 at 11:58 pm -      #130

    @Gaunt
    While I don’t disagree with most of that- when does a Space Marine lift a tank?

    @Rookie
    Am I going to be annoyed in about 3 minutes?

  31. wingedlion September 15, 2015 at 12:17 am -      #131

    @Nsi98
    “Spidey is much more than just a bullet timer. Lightning timer would be more accurate. And that’s without the pre cog.”

    Are you sure? I don’t recall him ever doing that without pre-cog.

  32. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 12:26 am -      #132

    @Wingedlion
    need to look it up again, but I think there’s a scan of him depowered dodging lightning from a copy of Electro.

  33. Dmtl September 15, 2015 at 12:47 am -      #133

    Kharn is definitely more durable, that’s a fact. You want to say spider-man can do more because of adrenaline in his system…sure. Have you met my friend Khorne and what he does to his friends?
    ————–
    Also that scan of Captain America blocking the hulk doesn’t make sense whatsoever as Spider-man is stronger than the captain. Captain America is only supposed to have “peak human conditioning”.
    ————-
    The 10k years experience plays a HUGE factor because during that time he has been fighting other Astartes,Demons, Eldar, Tyranids, etc. His reflexes and killers’ instinct has been honed to pretty much perfection.
    ————
    OK, I found some more stats for spider-man.INC spam be warned.
    ———–
    Superhuman Strength: Spider-Man possesses superhuman strength enabling him to press lift many tons. Originally, Spider-Man could lift ten tons, after Queen’s mutation, he could lift 15 tons, finally, after the Other evolution, he can lift 20 tons. Spider-Man’s physical strength is sufficient enough to enable him to lift and throw objects as heavy as a big rig semi truck with ease. He must also pull his punches and kicks unless fighting someone of similar or greater physical durability. Otherwise, his blows would prove fatal to a normal human being.[122] He has demonstrated that he is strong enough to knock out people with normal durability with as little as a tap to the head. Also during the Secret Invasion, Spider-Man was shown to be able to knock a Tyrannosaurus Rex unconsciousness in a punch. Spider-Man’s physical strength also extends into his legs, enabling him to be able to jump to a height of several stories in a single bound.[123][citation needed] Spider-Man demonstrated this when he leaped over thirty feet vertically into the air when he first leaped out of the way of an oncoming car; it should also be noted that when he first discovered his powers as a teenager, they had not developed to that of his prime.
    ———————
    Superhuman Speed: Spider-Man is capable of running and moving at speeds that are far beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete.[124] Spider-Man has showed to be fast enough to catch up to an accelerating car while on foot, but prefers to travel by webs.[125] (Not lightningh speed as mentioned.)
    ——————–
    Superhuman Stamina: Spider-Man’s advanced musculature produces less fatigue toxins during physical activity than an ordinary human. This allows him to exert himself physically for much longer periods of time before fatigue begins to impair him. At his peak, Spider-Man can physically exert himself at his peak capacity for several hours before the build up of fatigue toxins in his blood begins to impair him. Several accounts depict Spider-Man as able to hold his breath for eight minutes or more.
    ——————-
    Superhuman Durability: Spider-Man’s body is physically tougher and more resistant to some types of injury than the body of a normal human. His body is more resistant to impact forces than anything else. He can withstand great impacts, such as falling from a height of several stories or being struck by an opponent with super strength, that would severely injure or kill a normal human with little to no discomfort. Spider-Man’s body is durable to the point where tensing his super-strong muscles while being punched in the torso by a trained heavyweight boxer caused the attacker’s wrists to break; also, Spider-Man has stated that he must roll with punches thrown by people without similar strength or durability to avoid breaking their wrists.
    —————–
    Superhuman Agility: Spider-Man’s agility, balance, and bodily coordination are all enhanced to levels that are far beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete. Spider-Man is extraordinarily limber and his tendons and connective tissues are twice as elastic as the average human being’s, despite their enhanced strength. He has the combined agility and acrobatic prowess of the most accomplished circus aerialists and acrobats. He can also perform any complicated sequence of gymnastic stunts such as flips, rolls, and springs. He can easily match or top any Olympic record at gymnastics apparatus such as flying rings, climbing ropes, horizontal bars, trampolines.
    ——————–
    Superhuman Equilibrium: Spider-Man possesses the ability to achieve a state of perfect equilibrium in any position imaginable. He seems able to adjust his position by instinct, which enables him to balance himself on virtually any object, no matter how small or narrow.
    ——————–
    Superhuman Reflexes: Spider-Man’s reflexes are similarly enhanced and are currently about 40 times greater than those of an ordinary human. In combination with his spider-sense, the speed of his reflexes allows him to dodge almost any attack, or even gunfire,[126] if he is far enough away. Spider-Man has even been shown in some cases, to be able to dodge gunfire using just his reflexes without his Spider-Sense.
    ——————-
    Regenerative Healing Factor: Spider-Man has a limited healing factor. While not on Wolverine’s level, it is sufficiently powerful enough to recover from severe injuries from broken bones and large amounts of tissue damage in a matter of days. During a battle with a villain called the Masked Marauder, Spider-Man is rendered completely blind, however after about 2 days his sight was perfect, albeit sensitive for about a day after.
    ——————
    Lastly spider sense but it would really be too much to post. However it is significant.
    —————–
    All this pooled from marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Spider-Man_(Peter_Parker)

  34. Dmtl September 15, 2015 at 12:52 am -      #134

    So while his strength lives up to what you guys have been saying, his speed and agility do not.

  35. Commissar Gaunt September 15, 2015 at 1:03 am -      #135

    @Friendly that was calced sonewhere, don’t remember where, based on the qoute of the Crimson Fist one handed lifting the tail end of a Semi with no issues or exertion. Combined with rogue trader stuff it came out to an impressive number, that i sorely want to find again.
    ============
    If DMTL is right in that post the Kharn is faster, and he only needs one hit, cause Gorechild is NOT blunt force by any stretch of the imagination. And plasma would make Spider soup.

  36. pimpmage September 15, 2015 at 1:22 am -      #136

    “qoute of the Crimson Fist one handed lifting the tail end of a Semi with no issues or exertion.”

    That was Pasanius Lysane, ultra smurf on the world of Tarsis Ultra. Second book of the first smurf omnibus.

  37. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 4:52 am -      #137

    “need to look it up again, but I think there’s a scan of him depowered dodging lightning from a copy of Electro.”

    It was Striker from Avengers Academy.
    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110523150723/marveldatabase/images/1/11/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_1_662_page_01.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2644042-1874697_asm_03.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/2644098-1874711_asm_14.jpg

    Here is him dodging Electro
    i.imgur.com/au2Wjcs.png
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    “If DMTL is right in that post the Kharn is faster”

    He pasted a wiki without any evidence backing it.

    Also, anyone know how we would calculate 40 times greater reflexes? I actually just want to know the math behind how you figure that out for other occasions.

  38. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 5:00 am -      #138

    Did anyone order more dodging electro scan? No? Well too bad, I spent several minutes looking for’em.
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  39. Dmtl September 15, 2015 at 5:24 am -      #139

    Again post stuff direct from Marvel and another of his powers and still you dismiss it. God bless….no evidence to back it…WTF they reference every comic and I guess Marvel needs evidence too.
    ————————
    Sorry but this all boils down to Kharns superhuman speed and fighting prowess to Spider-mans’ spider sense.
    ———————-
    Electro isn’t the smartest person spidey easily knows what’s coming and in what direction, with spidey senses is easily avoidable. Your Rhino and Electro scans aren’t impressive when thought about.

  40. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 6:11 am -      #140

    @Dm
    Electro isn’t the smartest person spidey easily knows what’s coming and in what direction, with spidey senses is easily avoidable.

    I think you’re missing the part where he did it without the sense. He’s also dodged sniper rounds without the sense. And that’s been posted twice. Quit ignoring the evidence presented.

    @Winged
    Are you sure? I don’t recall him ever doing that without pre-cog.

    He does it without the pre cog.

  41. KalaDellexe September 15, 2015 at 6:17 am -      #141

    Stopping lurking to get involved in this…


    “Again post stuff direct from Marvel and another of his powers and still you dismiss it. God bless….no evidence to back it…WTF they reference every comic and I guess Marvel needs evidence too.”

    Alright, let me explain something here. I’m assuming you’re referring to the Marvel site’s page about Spidey’s powers?
    There’s certain levels of the rather vague thing called “canon.” Word of God, being what the author/writer says the character can and cannot do, is considered the highest level of canon by most. Despite this, the Marvel site’s page on Spidey is called into question, for two reasons.

    The first being that it cannot be definitively called “Word of God.” There is no author listed on the page, any Marvel employee with the ability to edit pages on the site could have written that, not the writers of comic Spidey (the incarnation being used here) themselves.

    The second is that the “facts” listed on the page are directly contradicted by events preceding (and probably even following) the page’s publication. Marvel has never completely reset the canon, so the page is thrown into doubt when it conflicts with events that are definitely canon to the 616 universe.


    “Sorry but this all boils down to Kharns superhuman speed and fighting prowess to Spider-mans’ spider sense.”

    Nah, Kharn has his speed feats and strength feats. We also need to consider the weapons he uses and tactics he uses. The fact he has armor is worth mentioning too. Spider-man has precognition, created his own fighting style to suit his abilities, is incredibly strong, and is a lightning timer with the ability to dodge light-speed projectiles with his precognition. It does not boil down to just that, there’s many factors to consider in a debate like this, it rarely comes down to “this character wins purely because of this ability”, many traits one character possesses may be countered by his opponent’s traits, and vice versa.


    “Electro isn’t the smartest person spidey easily knows what’s coming and in what direction, with spidey senses is easily avoidable. Your Rhino and Electro scans aren’t impressive when thought about.”

    So because you don’t consider the person throwing lightning to be smart that instantly nullifies the fact that Spidey dodged lightning? I believe someone’s even posted a scan of him dodging lightning without precognition, which is even more impressive.
    And your logic can be applied to a fight with Kharn.

  42. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 6:18 am -      #142

    “Again post stuff direct from Marvel and another of his powers and still you dismiss it.”

    You copy and pasted a wiki entry. One where there is no reference given for the figure you claiming is absolutely the limit of Spidey’s capability. It isn’t even from Marvel. Marvel has it’s own official thing.
    ===
    “Electro isn’t the smartest person spidey easily knows what’s coming and in what direction, with spidey senses is easily avoidable.”

    Which is why I showed a scan of him dodging indiscriminate omni-directional blast. Being smart doesn’t really have shit to do with a spew of lightning going every which were around him.

    Also, the one with Striker is also during a period when he had no spider-sense.
    ===
    “WTF they reference every comic and I guess Marvel needs evidence too.”

    The Issue mentioned referencing it was talking about dodging stuff, we already know and I can get scan proving the dodge bullets thing. Where’s the reference for the 40 times thing?
    I scrounged up my evidence and showed scans and proved what was canon. I’d like you to do the same and find where this number came from. Otherwise all you really have is a wiki quote and not actual evidence.
    ===
    “Sorry but this all boils down to Kharns superhuman speed and fighting prowess to Spider-mans’ spider sense.”

    Honestly, I don’t really care about that. I’m just debating over spider-man facts defending against downplay.

  43. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 6:22 am -      #143

    @Dm
    Again post stuff direct from Marvel

    No, you posted a wiki that can be edited by anyone. We have literally posted dozens of scans showing that Spider-Man is far above what you claim is his canon speed and strength and all you do is go:
    “lol it doesn’t count becuz the wiki say so”

    Also that scan of Captain America blocking the hulk doesn’t make sense whatsoever as Spider-man is stronger than the captain. Captain America is only supposed to have “peak human conditioning”.

    Spider man was having a flashback moment, Cap wasn’t actually there. You were supposed to see that Spider-Man is actually way stronger than you are giving him credit for.

    Sorry but this all boils down to Kharns superhuman speed and fighting prowess to Spider-mans’ spider sense.

    Don’t forget Spider-Man’s superior strength. Plus his own style that uses his speed and strength to their fullest.

  44. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 6:30 am -      #144

    his speed and agility do not.

    I actually laughed at this. This guy literally has the nerve to say that Spider-Man isn’t as fast as we claim, despite eveidence being presented to him multiple times.

    Btw, anyone have the scans that show Spidey running through Avengers Tower so fast his team mates don’t even know what happened?

  45. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 6:43 am -      #145

    You can relax Dmtl, since I’m such a nice guy I went ahead and found it for you.
    It’s not a narrators statement or a some kind of scientific assessment stating it as a absolute limit of his abilities. It’s pretty much Peter boasting about his casual ability
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  46. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 6:46 am -      #146

    What was Kharn’s speed feat? I mean, his actual speed feat. Not one powerscaled from others. Cuz for all the grief spider-man is getting, even against actual shown feats; no one has really called Kharn into question have they?
    I mean that’s fair, right?

  47. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 6:46 am -      #147

    I found the scan of Spidey moving so fast no one in Avengers Mansion could react to him:
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    no one has really called Kharn into question have they?

    I think that’s because we were still stuck on discussing Spider-Man. But I was certainly going to once we were done with Spidey.

  48. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 7:28 am -      #148

    Normal human reflexes
    “The knee jerk reflex is called a monosynaptic reflex. This means that there is only 1 synapse in the neural circuit needed to complete the reflex. It only takes about 50 milliseconds of time between the tap and the start of the leg kick…that is fast. The tap below the knee causes the thigh muscle to stretch. Information is sent to the spinal cord. After one synapse in the ventral horn of the spinal cord, the information is sent back out to the muscle…and there you have the reflex.”

    In spider-man’s case not only are his reflexes enhanced to be 40 times faster then that (someone want to do the math on that, personally I’m betting it’s close to the mircosecond ranges) but his reflexes can be directly influenced by his pre-cog.
    Meaning, his already super-fast body can get a heads up on incoming danger beforehand, regardless of what his reaction time is and act on it automatically without a delayed input.
    So for example, in that scenario spider-man’s knee would respond faster then a normal human could OR he would actually be capable of doing that PLUS doing it before the hammer actually even got close to the knee.

  49. Commissar Gaunt September 15, 2015 at 8:16 am -      #149

    @Nsl well i don’t have a Kharn book, but he is the Champion above the rest for a reason. It is easy to say that he can atleast equal, if not surpass anything that other champions can do, he has regularly killed the Champions around him.
    —————
    @Pimp could have sword someone did something real damn similar in Ryan’s world book when they evacuated into the city…
    ——————-
    The issue i have now is the question of inconsistency. You csn pass it off as him holding back but it still shows him being slow, and i know he gets hit. He has been hit pretty often by a variety of people i seem to recall, but i doubt you would post any of that, ig would only hurt your argument.

  50. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 9:08 am -      #150

    @CG
    The issue i have now is the question of inconsistency.

    What exactly is inconsistent?

    You csn pass it off as him holding back but it still shows him being slow, and i know he gets hit

    That’s because we have statements and showings from Spidey that show/state he normally holds back. And most of the time he’s hit because:
    1. As mentioned, he holds back against those weaker than himself. When pushed, he stomps them.
    2. They are in his speed range
    3. They are too strong or durable for his speed to make a difference

    He has been hit pretty often by a variety of people i seem to recall,

    And? Does that suddenly discount his feats? Superman has been tagged by people far slower than himself, is he suddenly not FTL? Spider-Man has to get hit, because otherwise his stories would be boring. And there are usually reasons for him getting hit as I mentioned above.

    but i doubt you would post any of that, ig would only hurt your argument.

    We actually have shown Spidey being hit, otherwise where would we get his durability from?

    And I could make a comment about how your lack of proper spelling hurts your argument… but I won’t go in to detail.

  51. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 9:11 am -      #151

    @CG
    It is easy to say that he can atleast equal, if not surpass anything that other champions can do, he has regularly killed the Champions around him

    What feats do these Champions have? Just because someone beats someone else, it doesn’t mean they can automatically share feats.

  52. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 11:10 am -      #152

    @Lowk
    no this was during when he lost all his powers briefly during Spider-Man no more I think, there were several other robotic villains involved I think, Spidey had no mask and had a trenchcoat hiding his costume he leapt over all their attacks despite just being high end peak human at the moment due to his power loss.

    Also on durability there’s always the battle with Phoenix Colossus where the much stronger than Kharn Colossus beat the snot out of Peter but he still managed to pull himself to his feet and then survive a fairly damn large explosion.

  53. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 11:29 am -      #153

    didn’t add this in time.

    On speed, PIS gets involved too, for a more drastic example with another character, the time the several thousands of times FTL Flash got nailed by Deathstroke despite being so many times faster he should have been able to stop go get a cup of coffee contemplate that he’d nearly hit the sword for what for him would be a couple hours, get around the sword and slap the shit out of Deathstroke.
    Also any time Superman….normal ftl Superman not current…barely supersonic Superman….gets hit by people that aren’t FTL.
    No one takes away their FTL or higher feats, Spidey is no exception, sometimes the writers make him get hit just for the drama or to make someone else look good if he’s in a different characters book or a team up book.

    Also found some new strength feats I don’t think got posted.

    During Identity Theft he threw a box car.
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    pulling a large truck with one hand, against the direction wheels work
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    Also Spider-Man’s jokes are so powerful they can even stop a rampaging Hulk
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  54. Commander Cross September 15, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #154

    @Nsl98 at #150

    If anyone wanna talk inconsistencies, try taking notes from This particular thread, which I made from getting too many comments on FTL Space Marines without good enough reason to see it happening.
    The minute anyone brings up not-so-consistent Spidey calcs, let’s do the same on Inconsistent Space Marine calcs in this thread for the lolz, shall we?

    I guess Kharn is supposed to be FTL when he sounds like his armor gets hit far more often than Spidey’s, generally by people less strong than Spidey’s and with less firepower to back it up, right?

  55. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 12:30 pm -      #155

    I can’t believe I missed this:
    Commisar Gaunt wrote
    and he is strong enought to pick up a heavy battle Tank without too much strain on mid level Calculations. He is omly going to need one hit to kill Spidy.

    Post it. From the quotes that have been posted here, it takes multiple Space Marines to tear apart one tank. And lol at you thinking that that level of strength would one shot Spidey.

    Peter gets punched through a building by Hercules:
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    Tanks hits from Venom:
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    Venom lifts tanks:
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    After getting thrown through a building by Venom, Spidey is forced to tank this due to pedestrians being nearby:
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    And for those that claim Spidey should only get modern feats, those are all fairly recent.

    That armour is amazing against blunt force

    Spider-Man is waayyyyyy stronger than your average Marine, as has been proven. Have a scan:

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  56. pimpmage September 15, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #156

    “Peter gets punched through a building by Hercules:”

    Who must be holding back for fear of popping the planet. Why would you post this?

    “Tanks hits from Venom:”

    And I should be suprised by venom of all people why?

    “Venom lifts tanks:”

    So does spider man in extremely old comics. This one seems to be extremely old too.

    “After getting thrown through a building by Venom, Spidey is forced to tank this due to pedestrians being nearby:”

    Dude, believe it or not, but this has actually been done in 40k by a SM before. Except it was a Baneblade superheavy tank, and the SM was in terminator armor. The tank was being blown around by hurricane force winds, and a SM stopped it by leaning his shoulder into the flying baneblade tank. According to the wiki, those things are 300+ tons.

    “Spider-Man is waayyyyyy stronger than your average Marine, as has been proven. Have a scan:”

    That scan is nonsensical. Spiderman UPPERCUT venom, to cause enough DOWNWARD force for venom to cause gouging skidmarks in concrete.

  57. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm -      #157

    Who must be holding back for fear of popping the planet. Why would you post this?

    Since when does Hercules (at normal levels and nót even angered or pushed in any way or even given a special power up) pop planets? And it was to show that Spidey can get punched through buildings and be perfectly fine.

    And I should be suprised by venom of all people why?

    Because Venom has fought most of Marvel’s earthly bricks and given good fights before going down.

    So does spider man in extremely old comics. This one seems to be extremely old too.

    What does age have to do with it? It’s the same character. Marvel has never done a DC style reboot where old Comics are invalidated.

    Dude, believe it or not, but this has actually been done in 40k by a SM before.

    Was that Space Marine named Kharn?

    And my post was simply to show that Gaunt was wrong. He said:
    and he is strong enought to pick up a heavy Tank without too much strain on mid level Calculations. He is omly going to need one hit to kill Spidy.

    I was only showing that Peter has been hit with alot and has continued fighting.

  58. pimpmage September 15, 2015 at 1:35 pm -      #158

    “Since when does Hercules (at normal levels and nót even angered or pushed in any way or even given a special power up) pop planets? And it was to show that Spidey can get punched through buildings and be perfectly fine.”

    You are assuming I know more about comics than I do. I am guessing hercules is a planet popping tier character, fighting a street level character, herc must have been holding back. Therefor you cant really calculate how much force that would be. Punching through walls is not a huge deal though. Not too impressive imo.
    “Was that Space Marine named Kharn?”

    Power scaling the difference between a SM wearing terminator armor, compared to standard armor would be a really small change. Same goes with strength between veteren marines and newby marines. A SM should easily do what what spiderman did in that scan, seeing as a SM did it to a 300 ton tank.

    “What does age have to do with it? It’s the same character. Marvel has never done a DC style reboot where old Comics are invalidated.”

    I don’t care whether reboots were done or not. Someone posted that there was a legit spiderman stats page somewhere from authors. Trumps scans? Same thing could be done with venom.

  59. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 1:45 pm -      #159

    I don’t care whether reboots were done or not. Someone posted that there was a legit spiderman stats page somewhere from authors. Trumps scans? Same thing could be done with venom.

    So….you haven’t read the thread? Me, Lowk, Winged, Friendly, Jake and CH1 have all pointed out why that “stats” page is false. For one thing, no actual author was sourced.

    You’re not really going to claim that Spider-Man is only a 10 tonner who is 15 times faster than a human, right? Because then that would be disregarding the myriad of feats that have been posted.

    I am guessing hercules is a planet popping tier character, fighting a street level character, herc must have been holding back.

    Well he’s not a planet popper. The closest thing is almost knocking the Earth out of orbit by arm wrestling, but that’s a shared feat, so not all of it would be attributed to Herc.

    Also, I never said Herc was going all out, just that Spidey could take a large amount of punishment.

  60. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #160

    While Hercules may not be the best example Rhino and Colossus have lifted hundreds of tons and Spidey has fought Colossus on several occasions (one time amped) and regularly survives blows Rhino dishes out in fights.

    Carnage is able to lift objects over 80 tons in weight and gave Sam Alexander Nova a decent fight in his own comic.

    Flash Venom fought Toxin the physically most powerful Symbiote who can lift thousands of tons and trashed the Wrecking Crew and when Flash lost control of the Symbiote Spidey decked him hard enough he realized Spidey could kill him and was hoping he would.

    The symbiotes in general are kind of crazy as they can increase their base strength via bulking up. In fact Flash Venom was bulked up in the above instance

  61. Dmtl September 15, 2015 at 4:36 pm -      #161

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    Those are where the stats were pulled and Nsl thanks for showing you stopped reading my comments when I said I saw they gave spider up to 20 tons.
    ———————–
    Sorry both Marvel and the Wiki info clearly states his power levels.

  62. Dmtl September 15, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #162

    My thing with the Electro dodging is Spider has genius level intellect fighting common thugs. His intellect with his reflexes/speed should have no problems dodging thugs. He sees the hands being leveled in his direction..of course he knows what’s coming.
    ———————-
    Rhino is not considered strong.
    Venom is a low-to-mid tier character
    ——————–
    Spider-man’s fighting style developed with his pre-cog is still mainly to fight on level or lower characters.
    ——————–
    One of my issues with Spidey’s strength feats is that I don’t believe the authors knew how much those things weighed as his strength is VERY explicitly given numbers (10 tons,15 tons,20 tons) and can only lift more when under extreme duress.
    ——————-
    Regular SM’s can tear through tanks solo. Was done often during the HH.

  63. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 5:12 pm -      #163

    Rhino isn’t strong static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5586/492348-r5.jpg this Rhino, the guy bombarded with gamma rays whose origin is a bunch of Russians said lets kill the Hulk. The guy your precious marvel sites list in the class 100 bubble. That Rhino? Yeah your downplaying isn’t working there, he jobs a lot but if jobbing meant anything Darkseid would lose to the Hulk on here which he doesn’t.

  64. KalaDellexe September 15, 2015 at 5:33 pm -      #164

    “Sorry both Marvel and the Wiki info clearly states his power levels.”

    Again:
    NO LISTED AUTHOR
    +
    ANYONE CAN EDIT
    =
    NOT WORD OF GOD
    =
    NOT CANON


    “One of my issues with Spidey’s strength feats is that I don’t believe the authors knew how much those things weighed as his strength is VERY explicitly given numbers (10 tons,15 tons,20 tons) and can only lift more when under extreme duress.”

    So your issue with his feats that have been happening for YEARS consistently is that the authors didn’t know what they were doing?
    1. That’s a big assumption
    2. The feats have been consistent throughout Spidey’s publication in comics.
    Your opinion on the author’s intent means nothing.

  65. Nsl98 September 15, 2015 at 6:03 pm -      #165

    @Dm
    Sorry both Marvel and the Wiki info clearly states his power levels.

    The non official wiki is wrong. We’ve also already gone over that the stat page is wrong as well.

    And Marvel has shown his power levels through the various Comics that have been written and published over the years. The same comics that you seem hellbent on ignoring for some reason.

    His intellect with his reflexes/speed should have no problems dodging thugs. He sees the hands being leveled in his direction..of course he knows what’s coming.

    Right, becuase Electro is totally a common thing. Quit downplaying to suit your agenda. And you still haven’t addressed the Striker feat and seem to be focusing on Electro’s intelligence for some reason.

    Rhino is not considered strong.
    Venom is a low-to-mid tier character


    I just…wah…why.

    I guess Thing, Hulk, Collosus, Namor, and other bricks are all low mid tier as well now, huh?

    Spider-man’s fighting style developed with his pre-cog is still mainly to fight on level or lower characters.

    Where do you get these weird opinions from? Spider Man has kept up with Hulk, Iron Man, Collosus, and Namor before, how are any of those low level?

    One of my issues with Spidey’s strength feats is that I don’t believe the authors knew how much those things weighed as his strength is VERY explicitly given numbers (10 tons,15 tons,20 tons) and can only lift more when under extreme duress.

    A fan made wiki and an unauthored page are not a good source for info buddy. We look to the Comics that have been published for years under Marvel. And Spidey wasn’t under any extreme duress when he was chucking tanks around. He wasn’t under any duress when he brought down a building with his webs. And he wasn’t under any duress when he was slinging rubble around.

    All of those > 10-20 tons.

    Regular SM’s can tear through tanks solo. Was done often during the HH.

    Post it. And were any of them named Kharn?

  66. Friendlysociopath September 15, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #166

    I find it hilarious that Spider-Man is on the end of “This doesn’t make sense for his character” when facing a Space Marine.

    The guys who are known internet-wide for being as strong and fast as plot demands.

    Sorry both Marvel and the Wiki info clearly states his power levels.

    And both Marvel Comics and even the Movies of all things clearly show him violating that power level all of the time- often with him narrating just how much greater it is- so no, sorry, but we’re not using the Marvel site unless we have reason to believe it has precedence over the comics.

    The only way this can be done would be a word of god statement that the website (That appears to be entirely based on telling the history of the character and very little else) is more accurate to canon than the comics themselves.
    Find that, and then we have no choice in the matter, until you DO find something of that caliber, this constant pleading that the Marvel site be used for everything will not matter.

  67. Amm0vamp1r3 September 15, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #167

    Ill do stuff for Kharn if no one else will, im pretty decent and finding respect threads and such

    Takes bolter shots, well his armor does

    ‘BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!’ bellowed Khârn the Betrayer, charging forward through the hail of bolter fire, towards the Temple of Superlative Indulgence. The bolter shells ricocheting off his breastplate did not even slow him down. The Chaos Space Marine smiled to himself. The ancient ceramite of his armor had protected him for over ten thousand years. He felt certain it would not let him down today.

    Actually instead moving all the feats over im just going to post a link to the respect thread

    www.comicvine.com/kharn-the-betrayer/4005-84752/forums/kharn-respect-thread-752853/

  68. Friendlysociopath September 15, 2015 at 6:46 pm -      #168

    Takes bolter shots, well his armor does

    While I’m not seriously maintaining this thought, those quotes also show Bolters tearing chunks out of his armor.
    “Mighty maces bludgeoned Khârn. Huge chainswords threatened to tear his rune-encrusted armor. Bolter shells tore chunks from his breastplate.”

    Inconstancy, how I love thou.

    Ill do stuff for Kharn if no one else will

    I was eventually going to, the conversation was revolving around the Marvel wiki and all that jazz.

  69. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 7:09 pm -      #169

    ‘His intellect with his reflexes/speed should have no problems dodging thugs. He sees the hands being leveled in his direction..of course he knows what’s coming.”

    Which again is why I linked an instance where electro didn’t shoot a single bolt stright from his hand but zapped an entire area, saturating it with lightning, al at once.
    Also Electro can move as fast as lightning and has gone head to head with Thor. So he is by no means slow himself.
    ===
    “and can only lift more when under extreme duress.”

    The fact that he can and has multiple showing would point to the figures being a base figure. Like how they had people like Thor or ironman with 100 ton figures but were capable of moving much more.

  70. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 7:28 pm -      #170

    successfully stabbing through Grey Hulks stomach while dressed as Santa for…reasons.
    goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/rhinoxmas4.jpg

  71. pimpmage September 15, 2015 at 7:38 pm -      #171

    “Inconstancy, how I love thou.”

    It is infinitely better than what happens to lesser power armor. When bolts pierce and blow up your entire rib cage.

  72. Ninja Lowk September 15, 2015 at 10:19 pm -      #172

    I feel kind of bad having shamed wiki use and used a wiki for the tank weight spidey’s lifted.

    Turns out it’s between 40 to 50 tons
    www.military-today.com/tanks/t90.htm
    www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=161

  73. Jake_Uzumaki September 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm -      #173

    @Lowk
    so Spidey put a web on a 40-50 ton tank and used it like a flail?

  74. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets September 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #174

    “I feel kind of bad having shamed wiki use and used a wiki for the tank weight spidey’s lifted.”

    Marvel’s wiki is pretty good, but I mean ultimately they do use those stats that Marvel uses, which contradicts their on panel feats.

    Hell, some of the wiki pages even acknowledging that those stats aren’t meant to be taken seriously.
    =
    “Class 100+. It has been suggested throughout his career that he is almost as strong as the Sentry; it has also been suggested that his strength is equal to that of Thor. For example, originally both were listed as class 95 in the handbook, although this scale is only for comparisons between characters, and not to be taken anywhere near literally.”

    From Wonder Man’s page.

  75. Friendlysociopath September 15, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #175

    It is infinitely better than what happens to lesser power armor.

    Oh I know- I just enjoy the thought that people are decrying Spider-Man as not sticking to his supposed stats and powers when his opponent is a Space Marine.

    I feel kind of bad having shamed wiki use and used a wiki for the tank weight spidey’s lifted.

    Just about any but the absolute lightest of tanks is over 10 tons- the lightest I think is some French tank (Haha, the French).

    so Spidey put a web on a 40-50 ton tank and used it like a flail?

    Why in all the hell does he never think to sell that webbing? He’d make a fortune!

  76. pimpmage September 15, 2015 at 11:38 pm -      #176

    He could help create an orbital elevator.

  77. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable September 15, 2015 at 11:59 pm -      #177

    I hope this is just a bad case of Poe’s Law.
    =
    I’m going to go edit Spider-man’s wiki to say he can lift a billion tons with his pinky, his reactions are 1% the speed of light when he’s groggy and drunk and high, that he can tank a thousand exploding suns to the face with only minor scraps, and that getting punched by him is equivalent to a hundred Tsar bombs going off… over the area of as his fist. And it will all be true because its on the wiki.

  78. Soulerous September 16, 2015 at 12:07 am -      #178

    Inconstancy, how I love thou.
    ~
    Thou hast mistakenly chosen an wrongful word. Thine word is “thee.” Ye must tell of loving thee, not of thou, for yon words bear the fruits of grammatical corruption. Inconstancy, how I lovest thee.

  79. pimpmage September 16, 2015 at 12:42 am -      #179

    “Thou hast mistakenly chosen an wrongful word.”

    If he got his point across, he spoke perfect english. If you fail to have someone understand you, you fail at english.

  80. Soulerous September 16, 2015 at 12:46 am -      #180

    That’s a strange response to make to a jocular comment… Success at obeying the rules of a language is not determined by the comprehension level of the reader.

  81. pimpmage September 16, 2015 at 12:53 am -      #181

    Here is a better example. You know the difference between a gun clip and a gun magazine? People commonly say clip when they mean magazine, but they got their point across either way. The person is correct in using the word clip when talking about something that holds bullets, his point is clear.

  82. Soulerous September 16, 2015 at 1:03 am -      #182

    I get the concept perfectly well, but if you want to discuss it, let’s.
    ~
    The person is correct in using the word clip when talking about something that holds bullets, his point is clear.
    -No, the person is not correct. Being correct is different from getting one’s point across. Using perfect Engish is a matter of using the words correctly, not of getting one’s point across. The latter is called effective communication. English has rules for the purpose of maximizing the likelihood of effective communication.

  83. pimpmage September 16, 2015 at 1:18 am -      #183

    My english professor, who has a doctorate in linquistics, says anything can be perfect english due to the change over time and with culture. As long as someone understands what you are trying to get across, you are right.

    Its like the word literally in modern english. It is used more commonly in place of figuratively. The word meaning changed with culture. You are not wrong in saying literally when meaning figuratively now. Clip and magazine.

  84. Soulerous September 16, 2015 at 1:32 am -      #184

    says anything can be perfect english due to the change over time and with culture.
    -Yes, if things change, things that were once incorrect can potentially become correct. That is the nature of change. This does not change the fact that words have definitions and English has rules at any given time.
    ~
    As long as someone understands what you are trying to get across, you are right.
    -No, I would still be wrong. If I use “clip” to mean “magazine” I will still have called the magazine by the wrong name even if people get my point.
    ~
    Its like the word literally in modern english. It is used more commonly in place of figuratively. The word meaning changed with culture. You are not wrong in saying literally when meaning figuratively now.
    -Also wrong. “Literally” is often used in a hyperbolic sense. Hyperbole is used to create an impression. That’s all it is. Likewise when someone says “I died” when they mean they laughed really hard. They’re using hyperbole (exaggeration, overstatement, rhetoric) to let people know the magnitude of their laughter.

  85. Myrmidon September 16, 2015 at 11:26 am -      #185

    Spiderman isn’t tanking a well placed bolter shot or a hit from Gorechild. He is going to go down fast and hard, which even the wankiest of fan wank can stop.

  86. Friendlysociopath September 16, 2015 at 12:57 pm -      #186

    Spiderman isn’t tanking a well placed bolter shot or a hit from Gorechild.

    Obviously, nobody really argued otherwise.

    He is going to go down fast

    Not in the slightest, especially if Kharn decides to start by shooting since he’ll never hit Spider-Man with his bolter.

    and hard

    Depends if Kharn can hit the guy who seems to have superior reaction and speed feats in CQC. From the quotes posted it looks like Kharn relies on his armor as much as he tries to dodge. If he tries to just “tank” a Spider-Man punch he’s going to have a problem.

  87. pimpmage September 16, 2015 at 1:32 pm -      #187

    “Not in the slightest, especially if Kharn decides to start by shooting since he’ll never hit Spider-Man with his bolter.”

    Well, can he perfectly move himself in open space as if he was flying? Or does he still adhere to gravity? Does he follow arcs and trajectories when swinging? Spiderman is going to dodging like hell. But your probably right, he would have all the advantages outside an 11 foot bubble around kharn.

    “Depends if Kharn can hit the guy who seems to have superior reaction and speed feats in CQC. From the quotes posted it looks like Kharn relies on his armor as much as he tries to dodge. If he tries to just “tank” a Spider-Man punch he’s going to have a problem.”

    Is spiderman going to directly rush into cqc? Is that his MO? Is he gonna get close and make snarky comments? Try to get kharn to spill the beans about foul plots?

  88. Nsl98 September 16, 2015 at 1:59 pm -      #188

    He might just try for a webbing + punching combo. And if Spidey gets Kharn with the webs, I don’t think he’ll be able to escape.

  89. Friendlysociopath September 16, 2015 at 2:05 pm -      #189

    Well, can he perfectly move himself in open space as if he was flying?

    Kind of, consider that he can pull himself in virtually any direction with webbing and can change trajectories just as quickly with another shot of webbing.
    “Perfect” is overdoing it but he’s got pretty much the next best thing.
    Also, New York is just the sort of place Spider-Man likes for this- plenty of buildings and alleys.

    Is he gonna get close and make snarky comments?

    Most likely, snarky comments are more than a certainty with Spider-Man, they are a requirement.

    Try to get kharn to spill the beans about foul plots?

    Well Kharn’s “foul plot” is pretty much the straight-up murder of Spiderman so he’d probably treat him like the Hulk minus the sympathy.

  90. Dmtl September 16, 2015 at 3:48 pm -      #190

    I was reading up on Kharn’s weaponry. If Kharn does land a blow with Gorechild which apparently is a Daemon weapon (something I actually didn’t know) it can apparently flay Spider-man’s soul.
    ———————
    Was going to write more but kind of sick will check back in later.

  91. Nsl98 September 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm -      #191

    What of Peter decided to do this to Kharn? I already posted the Hulk scan.

    Webbing Ghost Rider:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/25674/857484-web_ball.jpg

    Webs Iron Man:
    media.animevice.com/uploads/2/29816/653972-1320730_1428new_storyimage7201696_full_super.jpg

  92. Dmtl September 16, 2015 at 5:03 pm -      #192

    I remember a comic I had of Spider-man webbing Ghostrider’s head…it didn’t work…
    ————————
    How did Iron-Man get out of that one?

  93. Nsl98 September 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm -      #193

    I remember a comic I had of Spider-man webbing Ghostrider’s head…it didn’t work…

    And yet it was working perfectly fine in the scan above. And no offense, why should we believe you? You tried to claim that an unofficial stat page and a wiki were a canon representation of Peter’s abilities.

    But if you find the scan, by all means, post it.

    How did Iron-Man get out of that one?

    No clue. But if I had to guess, he probably blew it up with his massive amounts of firepower. But again, just a guess on my part.

    Peter roughed him up a bit too:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111226671/4673315-0566872863-31581.png

    And you haven’t answered the question of how Kharn will get out of webbing that holds up buildings, Hulk, Ghost Rider, and Iron Man.

  94. Ninja Lowk September 16, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #194

    “How did Iron-Man get out of that one?”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/4/43640/1320896-asm_544_dcp_0024.jpg
    ===
    “Peter roughed him up a bit too:”

    To be fair to Ironman it was during when Peter was amped and had natural web shooters and he went all out. He also bloodied his knuckles a bit punching ironman.
    And to be fair again, even without built in webshooters he has webbed up an helicopter and the space between building mid fall and webbed up an entire building.

  95. Nsl98 September 16, 2015 at 6:24 pm -      #195

    He also bloodied his knuckles a bit punching ironman.

    Iirc he also bloodied his knuckles once when he went ham on the Hulk.

    Tanks hits from a giant and still manages to humiliate him:
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-SND5rVhBMIU/VQUieq8OJRI/AAAAAAAImmI/lp1DYsm07IU/s1600/p3_10%2Bcopy.jpg
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-wzVEAeFDjGg/VQUiflyVYAI/AAAAAAAImmU/Et227uZLxyY/s1600/p3_11%2Bcopy.jpg
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-K2B4SFunIZQ/VQUifybLl-I/AAAAAAAImm0/MZZD_ncn5rw/s1600/p3_12%2Bcopy.jpg

  96. Jake_Uzumaki September 16, 2015 at 6:35 pm -      #196

    “Why in all the hell does he never think to sell that webbing? He’d make a fortune!”

    He actually discussed this with Tony Stark once, Tony started to say it then he was like “wait, but then everyone would know its you and you’d be outed your protecting yourself” “no I’m protecting others” basically. I can bring the scan if you’d like

  97. Dmtl September 16, 2015 at 6:46 pm -      #197

    Ok I kinda figured Iron-Man would do that to get out.
    Eh? He bloodied his knuckles punching Iron-Man? before or after that scan because Iron-Man looks %100 intact there.

  98. Alpha or Omega September 16, 2015 at 7:01 pm -      #198

    To be fair with the scan with Ironman, Spiderman had to use all of his cartridges of webbing to hold Ironman. He ran out of the webbing, and after a short talk, Ironman blasted out with his repulsors and unibeam.
    Granted, Ironman is several times stronger than Kharn, so for someone like Kharn, it would take less webbing.
    This is why I said his plasma gun is best against webbing since Spiderman’s webbing doesn’t do so well against energy attacks.

  99. Dmtl September 16, 2015 at 7:27 pm -      #199

    You know what’s funny is that technically Spider-man is more intelligent than Tony Stark, his IQ is on the level of Reed Richards, Bruce banner rapes them all -Dr. Bruce Banner is a genius in nuclear physics, possessing a mind so brilliant that it cannot be measured on any known intelligence test.

  100. Dmtl September 30, 2015 at 12:55 am -      #200

    Am I allowed to submit this marvel.com/universe/Spider-man where it shows his *official* power ratings?

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