Published on December 13, 2008, by admin - Posted in Duels 83
Epic battle here and requested by the readers of the site.
If I had to place a bet on a winner, I would go with Sephiroth – but that’s no easy victory, if at all.
How would this match play out?
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hard to say this battle is,sephorith has the NL on his side.
I agree with the admin’s conclusion. Sephiroth wins, but it won’t be a easy one.
Damn, Kharn looks badass in that picture…Seprioth is gay and overpowered, Kharn is much more cooler
Well Kharn does have the blood god on his side, backing him up even after death….so really it depends on how willing Khrone is to back up his champion.
And yes; Seprioth is your typical Japanese villain, effeminate, OP, and totally paling in coolness to anything from the west….
In what incarnation is Sephiroth?
If we’re discussing the Sephiroth Clones, Kharn is the victor merely due to their individual weakness as combatants and their limited mental veracity.
In the case of Safer Sephiroth/One Winged Angel, Sephiroth retains a higher durability and magical status as a far more powerful incarnation as the Jenova/Sephiorth hybrid. This is the only time Sephiorth may have an advantage, although Kharns blood rage would be enough to sustain him against the effects of a materia based assault.
In his normal incarnation, Sephiorth is physically outclassed by Kharn. If Cloud is capable of destroying him with an Ominlash from his Buster Sword, Kharns Berserker rage at the hands of the Gorechild battleaxe would turn Sephiroth to pulp.
As truly villanious as Sephiroth is, Kharn simply overwhelms anything in the Final Fantasy universe; which really pales in comparison to the 40K narrative.
I see absolutely no reason why Kharn wouldn’t be the winner of this watch. Depending on the Sephiroth version, killing the Japanese homo mega-villain varies only in degrees of ease.
L-W’s Omnislash comparison is spot on. Kharn ALWAYS attacks in an “Omnislash” fashion. His attacks are relentless, numerous, and beyond accurate. While most of Seph’s attacks could be nullified, or clang harmlessly against the mighty Chaos Armour, all Gorechild hits will be far beyond catastrophic.
The Betrayer makes papa Khorne proud once more, collecting a very powerful skull for his throne.
what about seph’s intangiblity? i ask because i dont know much about it myself.
There are two variants of Sephiroth:
The original Sephiroth, the being infused with Jenova cells from birth who upon discovering his ancestry destroyed Nibelhim and was almost destroyed when thrown into a Mako reactor.
And the Sephiroth/Jenova hybrid that was born after his year long journey to the Northern Crater via the lifestream.
The version encountered in Final Fantasy VII is the Jenova hybrid, you only encounter the true Sephiroth once in a flashback and as the very last opponent in the Northern Crater; where Cloud uses his Omnislash to destroy him.
If we’re discussing intangibility, Sephiroth can continue to return for as long as there are sufficient Jenova cells present in a host, but his physical form can be destroyed each time until the presence of Jenova cells become scarcer with each passing generation.
In Final Fantasy VII, Jenova was so substantial in mass that it could form giant monsters thirty feet in height, it could even clone an army of Sephiroth SOLDIERS. By Advent Children the available mass of Cells declined to less than a handful. Each time Kharn destroys him there is going to be fewer and fewer Jenova cells to ressurect Sephiroth.
Yup. Sephiroth loses hard in this one. The khorn champion and a little gay japanese loser with a wing……
Kharn would just tear off his wing and butcher the little whelp. And after Kharn kills the f#g, he will be teabagged and every time Kharn does this to him it will burn seph :
Not much activity here. I was expecting a little bit more seeing as how there are tons of FFVII fans out there.
what the hell???? is this american time????? its 01:50 over here…..Aussie
no…..there isnt much activity here. The ffvll fans would of known they would get PWNED!
“Not much activity here. I was expecting a little bit more seeing as how there are tons of FFVII fans out there.”
yes i was hoping for someone to explain sephorith and his intangibility,i always here about not being able to hit him whilst he is intangible.
Sephiroth’s full strength is not known, since he has never fought at full strength against any of his opponents before.
marche, what do you mean by intangibility?
in alot of debates in hear of sephiroth’s intangibility using J-cells so he cant get hit
I would say that Sephiroth has used his full strength on many occasions, it just so happens that he tends to be incredibly cavalier when in combat, never revealing the true extent of his exertion as to not lose the fear in his opponents. No doubt Sephiroth possesses superhuman strength that supersedes our current capacity of physical latency; and Sephiroth is the most powerful being in the series. But as we see it’s a series that involves a stylistic emphasis on combat with plateaus of power that in all reality don’t reach towards the levels of power that circumvent the limits of its own planet.
Unlike the 40K verse.
Although we witnessed the pinnacle of SOLIDER Sephiroths strength when a sixteen year old Shinra Grunt manages to life Sephiroth off the ground, even with a six foot sword plunged into his abdomen, and tossed him into the life-stream with the hilt of his own blade. Any incarnation afterwards would be the Jenova hybrid, whose speciality was the manipulation of the life-stream and not feats of physical prowess. Although creators Kitase and Nomura have stated he is the most powerful entitiy present in the FF VII universe, it still cannot be compared to the likes of the God Emperor, or the forces of Chaos.
He is certainly impressive by our standards, but to suggest strength comparable to Kharn is purely conjecture at this point.Despite what the creator
Forget that last sentence.
As for his intangibility, it refers to his capacity to pass through barriers or other objects by decreasing the density of the cells in his body so that his physical self can pass through even semi-permeable barriers, such as wooden floors or stone walls. But as a disadvantage it renders him incredibly slow to react to physical threats or attacks.
You probably didn’t know that the Shinra grunt, whose name happened to be Cloud Strife, had impaled him prior through the abdomen with another 1st class SOLDIER’s Buster Sword.
You also got the events wrong. What you had metioned above:
“Although we witnessed the pinnacle of SOLIDER Sephiroths strength when a sixteen year old Shinra Grunt manages to life Sephiroth off the ground, even with a six foot sword plunged into his abdomen, and tossed him into the life-stream with the hilt of his own blade.”
it has been retconned by the creators that the sixteen year old Shinra Grunt only managed to fling Sephiroth into a wall, and that Sephiroth jumped into the Mako himself, stunned by the Grunt’s strength.
It is also interesting to note because Sephiroth had said before that only Cloud Strife can truly kill him.
I still don’t know a lot of Sephiroth’s powers since he doesn’t even use them in a fight. His Advent Children incarnation was said to have ascended to a new level of existence. However, due to his overconfidence, he opts to toy around with Cloud, toying with and taunting him, a fatal decision which led to his downfall once again.
Apparently semantics is not a friend of many. Yes, I’m aware that Shinra grunt was Cloud Strife, yes I was playing FFVII before it was even released in the West and no, the order I’ve depicted was not wrong. In the original Nibelhim sequence, Sephiroth plummeted after being tossed aside into the vast expanse of the Mako reactor, in the Last Order he threw himself in after being knocked back slightly by Cloud (After some deliberation), in Crisis Core he attempts to catch one of the pipes upon descent, slips and continues to plummet into the Mako reactor, gripping Jenovas head for dear life.
I was playing FFVII (Still to this day play it) back when most people still had boners for Mario, so don’t let it come across as arrogance when I say that I KNOW the events of the game like I know how to breathe.
Yet it continues to remain pure supposition, despite the number of re-writes, retconns or “reimagining’s” we see of the character, the strength depicted currently still does not compare to that of Khornes champion; and to say that he gets any stronger is a hypothetical case scenario WITHOUT any inclining evidence at best. All we have is the word of the creator that states he’s ascended as the most powerful being present in Gaia.
Which you consider the likes of the Chaos demon, the Weapons and various Dragons and Serpents present; makes him incredibly potent. But in comparison to 40K?
Well, that event you described HAS BEEN RETCONNED. Not by me, not by any other fans, but by THE CREATOR. We can do nothing but go by it.
A good comparison of Sephiroth’s strength is when he fights against other opponents. More often than not, his opponent has been pushed on the defensive, panting and breathing heavily, while he is still exerting much less energy than his opponents.
Sephiroth has grown even stronger than Jenova, who goes from planet to planet to consume life, using each destroyed planet as a vessel to travel. Sephiroth has stated that he will use the planet in the same manner to travel to find more planets to consume. Now I doubt that even Kharn had the ability to move planets.
Like I said before, because Sephiroth has never fought at full strength before, his peak is not known. In his latest incarnation, he has already demonstrated some level of telekinesis, flight, and the ability to slice through just about anything he wants (except Cloud’s Buster Sword). And he wasn’t even fighting seriously against Cloud, he was just playing with him.
The only headache I have here is that Sephiroth’s full strength is not known. Otherwise, choosing the victor of this match is very easy for me.
Going by that logic, in lieu of the last retcon of the scene, Crisis Core depicts Sephiroth being thrown into the life-stream, clutching onto his “Mother” for sheer life; thus officially making the event true canon.
Although the entire scenario is generally re-written over the course of multiple games, anime, novels, flashbacks etc, including Zacks death, which was originally depicted as him falling at the Plateua overlooking Midgar, after being gunned down by Shinra troops. Yet in Last Order retcon he is depicted as being sniped at by the Turks from the air in a Shinra military transport helicopter.
Although if in doubt, I tend to find its best to go with the original source material and subsequent sequels, thus making FFVII and Advent Children true canon and the rest questionable at best.
“A good comparison of Sephiroth’s strength is when he fights against other opponents. More often than not, his opponent has been pushed on the defensive, panting and breathing heavily, while he is still exerting much less energy than his opponents.”
Not a good comparison, since we cannot establish the strength of Gaia denizens without making flippant comparisons to that of the 40K universe. No doubt Sephiroth, being the highest order of existence in Gaia, would put many of its combatants to the test. But is it safe to make the comparison in lieu of alternate and equally stylistic (Or more so) depictions of alternate universes.
“Sephiroth has grown even stronger than Jenova”
Sephiroth IS Jenova. The depiction we witness in FFVII and Advent Children is the Jenova/Sephiroth hybrid that came into existence following his near fatal fall into the life-stream; combining the strength of the individual Sephiroth and the desire to consume all life presented in the Jenova virus. Sephiroth, believing himself to be Cetra, would not follow through with his plan to destroy Gaia unless Jenova has more influence over the hybrid pairing that we originally assumed.
The only time we ever witness the pure incarnation of Sephiroth (When he had control over Jenova) was during the Nibelhim flashback and the final boss battle between himself and Cloud.
“Now I doubt that even Kharn had the ability to move planets.”
Sephiroth can only perform such feats when imbued with sufficient Negative Life-stream caused by the plague like genocide that was the “Star-Fall” fever, when Jenova cells were spread over Gaia in the ensuing battle between the life-stream and Meteor.
Likewise, Kharn can literally transport or eat entire planetary systems via the warp, using the accumulated strength of Chaos to transmutate him from the regular Kharn to the Daemonic incarnation of Kharn (Albeit, minus the self-control). Capable of manipulating local warp fields, Daemonic Kharn can use immaterial transport to literally teleport himself or any nearby body at any point in time or space.
The difference is, NL (Equalling Sephiroths higher end world ending strength and power) is only present within a local environment where a sufficient number of the native population has been afflicted negatively (Or killed) by Jenova Cells. If he were to fight anywhere away from Gaia at any point, he would immediately lose the upper echelons of his strength. Not only can the life-stream not function beyond the parameters of a densely populated area (Thus requiring Omega Weapon to act as a vessel for inter-planetary life-stream travel), but his Materia would be made useless without the nearby presence of Gaia.
Chaos feeds off the thoughts and emotions of sentient beings from the expanse multiple Universe from across the great rift.
This one is a purely home advantage fight for Sephiroth, which if it were to take place anywhere OTHER than Gaia, would put Sephiroth at a severe disadvantage.
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There is only one known *true* instance where Sephiroth actually pushed himself to his full capacity, leaving himself incredibly weary and open to attack upon collapsing moments later from sheer exertion.
Slicing the Barrel of the Sister Ray cannon. It really cannot be said how much stronger he has gotten with each passing incarnation (Although with the number of Jenova Cells diminishing, I would say he’s gradually getting weaker with time), but toppling the Shinra building or impaling the Midgar Zolom (Which was not actually him) still pales in comparison to his attack on the Sister Ray.
“Not a good comparison, since we cannot establish the strength of Gaia denizens without making flippant comparisons to that of the 40K universe. No doubt Sephiroth, being the highest order of existence in Gaia, would put many of its combatants to the test. But is it safe to make the comparison in lieu of alternate and equally stylistic (Or more so) depictions of alternate universes.”
I was making a comparison to his opponents, since you pointed out that Sephiroth always fights at full strength, but was just employing a cavalier attitude to undermine his opponent’s determination.
“Sephiroth IS Jenova. The depiction we witness in FFVII and Advent Children is the Jenova/Sephiroth hybrid that came into existence following his near fatal fall into the life-stream; combining the strength of the individual Sephiroth and the desire to consume all life presented in the Jenova virus. Sephiroth, believing himself to be Cetra, would not follow through with his plan to destroy Gaia unless Jenova has more influence over the hybrid pairing that we originally assumed.”
During the Nibelheim Incident, Sephiroth came to believe that Jenova was a Cetra, and therefore that he himself, Jenova’s “son,” was the last survivor of the Cetra. He also believed that the human race had betrayed the Cetra 2,000 years earlier, leaving them alone to defend the Planet from a calamity it had faced (eventually revealed to have been Jenova itself), and resolved to take vengeance for his “ancestors.”
In Advent Children, the latest form of Sephiroth, the One-Winged Angel, has completely overpowered Jenova’s will. Jenova has become a mere vessel for Sephiroth, though Sephiroth still remains highly committed to his “Mother’s” will.
“This one is a purely home advantage fight for Sephiroth, which if it were to take place anywhere OTHER than Gaia, would put Sephiroth at a severe disadvantage.”
This is not very accurate. If this battle were to take place anywhere other than their respective universes, both would be at a disadvantage. Sephiroth can’t draw from the Lifestream, and Kharn can’t draw upon the powers of the warp.
“It really cannot be said how much stronger he has gotten with each passing incarnation (Although with the number of Jenova Cells diminishing, I would say he’s gradually getting weaker with time)”
He doesn’t need a huge number of Jenova Cells to gain full power. He just needs a small number to be reborn after getting banished by Cloud everytime. And with every passing incarnation, he has been shown to be getting stronger.
“impaling the Midgar Zolom (Which was not actually him)”
Sephiroth easily killed a Midgar Zolom while making his way through the same swamp on foot. He was either directly or indirectly responsible for its death, becuase it’s pretty senseless that a huge enormous snake will impale itself on something so easy to see.
Is there anyway Sephiroth can stop Kharn simply splitting him in half with Gorechild or shooting him in the face with his pistol? Didn’t think so some how!
Since the second coming of the Great Gospel, he has gotten drastically weaker than his original hybrid incarnation (Safer Sephiroth, most notably). Jenova is now only the weaker half of the relationship simply because “It” has been continually expunged from Gaia through the will of Holy (The second incarnation of Aeris), thus leaving Sephiroth to remain the dominant half of a rapidly dying symbiotic co-dependence.
And there does need to be a sufficient mass of Jenova cellular material to materialise Sephiroth; it took the combined death toll of Geostigma, Kadaj (An incredibly dense source of Jenova Cells) and the final remains of Jenova to even come close to recreating and rematerialising Sephiroth. Even then, the incarnation was incapable of the spectacular feats present in either FFVII or Crisis Core, he was just Sephiroth, no more, no less. His only source of renewed strength was his control over the negative life-stream (Which he had no influence over in previous titles), which despite being impressive in terms of the control of Gaia, is only just a slight improvement of his days of summoning Meteor.
Back in FFVII, there was enough Jenova material to create an army of Sephiroth clones, towering monsters and place a Jenova overlord in almost any part of the Planet so required. After that it took two years JUST to gather enough together to materialize one barely sufficient incarnation of Sephiroth, even when most of the Planets population was fatally infected by Jenova cells and their deaths corrupted a significant portion of the life-stream.
Kharn can feed off more than just the great rift, or the warp. Any Sentient beings present in the same Universe, including Sephiroth, would only serve to fulfil his strength. For all of his bravery, determination and sheer will that Sephiroth exudes in his character, in his thoughts, will only make Kharn stronger.
With Jenovas telepathic connection to other life forms it has encountered throughout the universe, simply being in the presence of Sephy would merely multiply the degree of emphatic absorption Kharn experiences on a magnitude he has yet to experience in man on man combat.
Apparently you didn’t get the comment about the Midgar Zolom. The Zolom itself was killed by something, but it was not Sephiroth himself, just a Sephiroth clone created and puppeteered by Jenova (The same one that killed the Cargo ship crew, impaled Aeris and invaded the Shinra building). At that point in the game Sephiroth is sealed inside a Materia cocoon at the Northern Crater, still recovering from the damage he incurred falling into the Mako reactor at Mt. Nibel. Jenova maintains him in a catatonic state until he is awoken by Ultima Weapon. Even then he still has no real control until Safer Sephiroth is destroyed and banished to the nether, leaving the real Sephiorth to contend Cloud one on one.
So in reality, Jenova killed the Zolom, whilst Sephiroth himself never once left the Crater.
We know how Kahrn can kill Sephiroth, but in the sake of the topic, could Sephiroth stand a chance against Kharn the Betrayer? How would he destroy an entity capable of surviving the God Emperor?
“Could sephiroth stand a chance against Kharn The Betrayer?”
“his move is as fast as the blink of an eye”
Your average Space Marine can move equally at the blink of an eye, traversing the entire expanse of a large room literally within the time it took for a man to blink. Kharn could pull your eye out of your socket, before the lid could even close, run around the room several times and slot it back in the socket before you could fully open the eyelid.
A bit of a hyperbole at best, but Kharn is incredibly fast, far faster than Sephiroth in any respect.
“and he controls the black materia…which is in par with the anti-matter tht could destroy worlds”
It is actually used primarily to summon Meteor and Meteor only, which although potent unto itself still requires many days (Possibly just under a week) of intense meditation to summon, comparable to Aeris summoning Holy. Sephiroth had the freedom to summon Meteor from the safety of his chamber in the Northern Crater, in this fight he won’t have a moment to even think, let alone summon Black Materia.
What are you on.
He has skinny arms no chest or shoulders and long hair…….freakin hippie.
Yes, Sephiroth is extremely powerful, but he is in way over his head. Sephiroth has no advantage in this fight. Kharn wins this in every way. FFVII is one of my favorite games of all time, but Sephiroth is way outmatched.
Seph might be the end-all in a word of androgynous, male anime fags, but chain-axes and warp-aberrations will eventually own shameless kaballah plugs.
What’s the word I’m looking for? Oh yes, wrong.
Sephiroth can be ultimately defeated, because for every incarnation that is destroyed, the Jenova cells are killed with it.
As I pointed out earlier, in the original game, there was sufficient Jenova cellular material as to replicate an army of Sephiroth clones repeatedly over the course of several days. But once defeated in the lifestream, it took a full two years to even gather barely enough of Jenova to create one copy of Sephiroth.
Depending on the arena, Kharn would only have to destroy Sephiroth once and the match would be over with a quick bolt of microbe sterilising Plasma. Now if you want to argue by that logic, Kharn would never be killed either for as long as Khorne supports him in battle.
From what I have gathered, the original sephiroth would tie with kharn, am I right?
No your not Kharn kills him in any form.
I’m gonna go with Sephiroth because of two reasons. 1: I don’t know anything about either one, but everyone who I’ve talked to seems to regard Sephiroth as a incredibly powerful person. And 2: After hearin’ all these people sayin’ that Warhammer beats everything, I would just love to see Sephiroth take Kharn’s axe and tomahawk it right into Kharn’s crotch. So, go Sephiroth. And Kharn, go screw yourself. (Smile across my face at what all the Warhammer fans must be thinkin’ of me. Keep in mind that if you aren’t one of those cocky and arrogant Warhammer fans that my distaste for Warhammer isn’t directed at you. It’s meant for all the people who say that anything that isn’t Warhammer sucks. Hope we have an understandin’.)
Ugh, I can’t believe we have another ignorant fool clogging up the site…And this one is particularly bad. At least people like hotshot where just dumb, this one thinks that he is justified and above the essentials like logic….too bad.
At least all we have to do is just ignore him until he learns to survive entanglement with folks like me, mata and L-W.
You know, you could’ve used that last post you left in here to prove me wrong instead of simply sayin’ I am wrong. I’m willin’ to accept when I’m wrong. You just gotta prove I am first. If you convince me you’re right, I’ll be sure to let you know.
They have!!! can’t you read?!?!?
“At least all we have to do is just ignore him until he learns to survive entanglement with folks like me, mata and L-W.”
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On a serious note.
MJSC STARWARS somehow, you have chosen to advocate for the underdog on most fights. This is not wrong in any way, I won’t bash you on that. However, you have selected to argue in favor of points that have been previously defeated. This may cause the general reactions you are getting.
This is not a post to discourage you, just to suggest that you don’t try to re-open these points without expecting serious resistance, and certainly without taking it personal.
Just keep fighting the good fight, mate. Provide new angles to the points in question (if there is any), or even better, provide new points in favor of your choice. Most importantly, just try to take critisism a bit less personal. In a site designed to have these sort of discussions, you are gonna need it.
“This message has been brought to you by the BankGambling Trimvirate. May the admin show mercy on your soul.”
That sounds like a T-shirt…
I doubt that everyone reads all the posts that everyone puts on this site. Now, I am willin’ to read the ones that could influence my opinions. If someone would please give some recommendations on which posts I should read, that could work. I’d suggest tellin’ me who are the BankGambling experts, so I can always read their posts before leavin’ my own. Not sayin’ to do it every time I leave a comment, that would be ridiculous. Just leave a post after this one tellin’ me who’s posts I should always take a look at. I prefer gettin’ my information from people I can talk to, rather than lookin’ it up on an information website, as some people have suggested me to do. Hope you understand what I’m askin’. And Matapiojo, I don’t take criticism negatively. I take rude people negatively. Glad to see you aren’t one.
“That sounds like a T-shirt…”
Indeed it does…well…without the typos, that is…
I can understand where you’re coming from, but I will respectfully disagree with you. When you decide to participate in these matches, it shows not only great courtesy but a healthy amount of respect to at the very least glance over ALL of the posts of the match. When the number of posts start ranking up its when its most important to try to soak your brain with what has been discussed. More often that not, the numerous posts have very important topics on which you want to expand.
Pointing out people that you “should” read over others is a bit presumptuous and disrespectful. Doing such would de validate the opinions of the ones that were not recommended. I will not do that, and hope no one else does either.
Realistically speaking, it is true that you will eventually glance over some posts while fully read others, but this should only be done from your own experiences. Get to know the posters, their general views, and their analytical skills so you can effectively support or rebuke their arguments with your own. This is what BankGambling is all about.
Depressingly, in examples where I’m interested in the match I will read every last message (Kharn versus link for one… )
And most swordfighter/duel/group combat discussions.
Generally, the posts that have the useful information come from people with a high star rating. they are the ones who post frequently, and as such generally hae something good to say. Trolls, people with “X PWNS Y” comments and the like don’t tend to hang around.
Of course, there are exceptions.
Look for paragraphs, look for a vague knowledge of sentence structure
“Look for paragraphs, look for a vague knowledge of sentence structure”
Thats your best bet.
MJSC STARWARS, I know you exact frame of mind, read mc vs snake. I will sum it all up for you, standing against norms like “wh40k owns everything”(usually true) or “MC owns everything” are one thing, but to argue points brutally disproved is just fighting an uphill, losing battle.
I don’t see how people compain of Sephy being OP when Kharne is a lot stronger X_X It’s pretty easy to just say “this guy has fought for 10 thousand years and owned everyone” That’s one sentence of OP. Kharne wins again. But I think Sephy is cooler though, maybe not in looks though…..
What can Saphiroth do to prevent getting hack to sh!t
I only know of Sephiroth but from what i read i have to say Kharne would win but i don’t like how everyone goes by looks if they looked as cool as they are pwerful then there coolness would blind the eyes and force everyone to commit sopuku.
why is everyone kissing up abbadon and kharn what about lucious the eternal, or ahriman of the thousand sons come on there are more than 2 awsome 40k characters to use
I admit that I don’t know much about sef… sephy.. sephetr… (screw it, I’m calling him scooter), but if the wikipedia entry is to be believed…. he would die very quickly.
Scooter raises up his sword and challenges Kharn.
Kharn reacts by pulling out Gorechild, yelling something about skulls and/or blood, and procedes to paint the surrounding area in Scooter’s blood.
Skulls for the Skull Throne Indeed.
Theoretically, couldn’t Seph kill Kharn without touching him? How about burning him or zapping him with a couple of Materia spells? I’m also willing to bet that Masamune is more than capable of standing up to Gorechild.
Materia blasts might count as magic in Khorne’s eyes, and as such Kharn’s Blessing of The Blood God would nullify it. But i really wouldn’t worry a lot even if it worked to use Materia. Kharn is faster, and packs a Plasma Pistol. So, he runs up as fast as possible, shooting like hell on the way, and as such disrupts any attempt at firing off Materia. When he gets in range, the all-cutting, soul-stealing, never-missing might of Gorechild will end it with a single well placed swipe.
laughable. sephiroth is not that slow, what about his insane sword range +skill and he’d likely summon a d*mn meteor and flat out destroy everything right from the jump.
Who won this?, because I dont whant to read the coments because I will get bore XD
There are only 55 comments, nothing to excuse you from reading it.
The answer, is that while it wasn’t decided, it was more in Kharn’s favor.
Can Kharn keep up with Sephiroth in terms of reactions or strength? I mean, what are some strength and speed feats for him that put him up to par with a being that cuts apart buildings and is within the super-hypersonic range with reactions?
Sephy’s magic is useless here as it’s negated by Khorne’s Blessing but in an outright battle between the two with no magic forces involved, what feats does Kharn have that put him up to par with Sephiroth? Plasma pistol and Gorechild could probably kill him but he’d require feats to back him up elsewhere.
So….how does Kharn physically compete here? It’s obvious he has the capabilities to kill Sephiroth but what about the abilities to even match him?
Kharn wins because he survives solar flares and getting the shit kicked out him by primarchs. kharn has thousands of years of experience in fighting with his ancient artifact super weapon Gorechild his close combat capabilities are only rivaled by the daemon prince/ primarch Angron who happens to wield Gorefather. Kharn also has a pistol that shoots liquid which pretty much has the power of a star in it. One last thing, he is a space marine, Chaos but still one none the less, and this means that he moves faster than the eye can follow his punch is like being hit by a train and his armor is the second strongest thing in the galaxy next to terminator armour.
Does Kharn or Sephiroth win this? Sephiroth seems to hold the speed edge over Kharn….
Kharn can dodge bullets and toss tanks.
Don’t know about Sephiroth.
“Kharn can dodge bullets and toss tanks.”
Sephiroth’s the same in terms of being a bullet timer but he can do so against barrages of bullets at a time and has the ability to teleport in one of the games.
Lifting strength, he’s not as powerful as Kharn there but he has some powerful force behind his attacks that shatters buildings and such.
There is a precedent for Kharn to dodge scores of bolt rounds, but he doesn’t so so, however we do have examples of much lesser characters and marines doing so.
He can’t teleport though…
Teleportation or not, it may take quite a few hits to get through Kharn’s armor as Sephy is denied the ability to use his magic against him due to his blessing which gives Kharn a better chance at durability.
Strength is similar as is stamina while durability is in Kharn’s favor and speed in Sephy’s.
Guess it depends on how long it takes for Sephiroth to carve through Kharn’s armor or when Kharn gets a blow in.
@SS yeah the blessing does help, how long can Sephiroth keep going?
And there is one thing Kharn has a definite advantage, he has the plasma pistol.
Sephiroth has shown no limit on his stamina following his original defeat in Crisis Core when he was human. In his battles in Advent Children, he has shown no ability to tire against a fellow superhuman that could dodge bullets and carve up chunks of buildings perfectly fine, not tiring as his opponent did nearing the end of the battle.
Plasma pistol is a win card if he can hit Sephy.
@SS oh okay I thought so, haven’t seen Advent Children in a while.
Plasma is faster than bolt rounds, and is wider, however I doubt he would hit him until Sephiroth gets close.
I share the exact same thoughts. Sephiroth is capable of dodging plasma bolts from afar but up close he’d have to be more careful and teleport away out of it’s range and that of Gorechild’s.
The one thing I see Sephiroth having most trouble with aside from the durability disadvantage is how much would it take for him to penetrate Kharn’s Power Armor. He can shatter large chunks buildings perfectly fine without tire but Power Armor is a beefy piece of work…
@SS yes it is, and Kharns is one of the beefier ones…so I’m not sure how we will resolve this…
“The one thing I see Sephiroth having most trouble with aside from the durability disadvantage is how much would it take for him to penetrate Kharn’s Power Armor. He can shatter large chunks buildings perfectly fine without tire but Power Armor is a beefy piece of work…”
If Sephiroth can shatter chunks of buildings, he’ll be able to penetrate power armor. Ork boyz are sometimes capable of penetrating power armor, and they aren’t anywhere close to destroying buildings.
“@SS yes it is, and Kharns is one of the beefier ones…so I’m not sure how we will resolve this…”
I’m thinking that it can go either way and that it all depends on who strikes who harder and more relentlessly first. Both are capable of that as Kharn is Kharn (nuff said) and Sephiroth is the ruthless type that has no reason to toy with anyone outside of the FFVII cast.
“If Sephiroth can shatter chunks of buildings, he’ll be able to penetrate power armor. Ork boyz are sometimes capable of penetrating power armor, and they aren’t anywhere close to destroying buildings.”
Kharn’s durability is further enhanced by the Void Shield but I know little in regard to that to say.
@Black Crusader it really depends on what the building are made of, and Kharn’s power armor is somewhere in the tank area.
@SS “I’m thinking that it can go either way and that it all depends on who strikes who harder and more relentlessly first. Both are capable of that as Kharn is Kharn (nuff said) and Sephiroth is the ruthless type that has no reason to toy with anyone outside of the FFVII cast.”
They both aren’t likely to mess around, and while Kharn might hit harder, Sephiroth seems to hit faster, and of course, a wing is nice.
And his prtection comes from his armor and his Gods blessings manifesting as an invulnerable save.
I would bring up that Kharn probably has mountain+ level durability because he survived being beaten up by Angron (Primarchs can shatter mountains with their strength) in his Pre-Heresy form (admittedly it was a near death experience but yeah), but it sounds like a huge outlier so I’ll leave it for now
That said I agree that Kharn is *probably* stronger while Sephiroth is faster (in movement speed) and that Sephiroth would want to play carefully here to win
Only problem being is Sephiroth also has a mobility advantage in his flight
I think this match can really go either way to be honest.
@SS yeah it could.
@Stealth well Angron wasn’t trying to kill him, he was toying with him, so I wouldn’t say mountain, more like big tank.
As I said, it sounded like an outlier so I thought i’d leave it
Anyways as for this snippet:
“They both aren’t likely to mess around, and while Kharn might hit harder, Sephiroth seems to hit faster, and of course, a wing is nice”
Furthermore going by CIS, Kharn likes to engage combatants in CQC first off as does Sephiroth
@Stealth this isn’t quite true, he will shoot his plasma pistol while charging at them to get a new skull.
So if they are fighting it out in the FF7 world rather than away from it…wait a minute, doesn’t that mean that the farther AC Sephiroth is from his home world, the weaker he gets, as L-W pointed out?(Unless the info he had, back then was somehow outdated?)
*looks at when L-W said that and then looks at the date when he posted it*
Yeah 2008. That was before the rules were established. As per the neutral battleground rule neither combatant is in a battleground that gives any advantages/disadvantages
And im not sure where that gem came from either
Anyways seeing as Kharn isn’t completely immune to magic anymore going by his new stats (he’s still heavily resistant to it though), Sephiroth might have a shot at range now, given Sephy is also faster and more mobile than Kharn
I’m pretty sure Sephy boy rips Kharn a new one with his town-level swings.
Which was based on Sephiroth’s limit breaks, which IIRC Sephiroth doesn’t have limit breaks (except for his Supernova in Dissidia, which is the closest thing to a limit break he’s ever had), so yeah
Even so, several Space Marines have tanked re-entry going off high end feats and Kharn is far above this level of durability (coupled with his endurance and inability to feel physical pain)
Plus Kharn does have dat void shield which increases his durability even further
Plus his daemonic invulnerability. Lets not forget about that one.
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