Rin Okumura Vs Link

Rin Okumura Vs Link

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Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist) will go up against Link (Legend of Zelda).

They fight on Endor (Star Wars).  Link is in his Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass incarnation.

Who will win?

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76 Comments on "Rin Okumura Vs Link"

  1. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #1

    Rin can make things spontaneously combust, spawn several explosions simultaneously.

    Oh but this is the Link with times stop. Does he have to draw a figure eight? How fast can Link activate it? What can he do in the seven seconds it’s active?

  2. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 1:17 am -      #2

    Link needs to draw a figure 8 to activate his time stop as much as he need to press b to swing his sword.
    – – –
    “What can he do in the seven seconds it’s active?”
    – – –
    Anything he likes

  3. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 2:52 am -      #3

    “Anything he likes”

    Stop it. You’re might be giving fanfiction writers bad ideas.
    ===
    I ask what he could do because Rin is pretty tough. He has shown that his slightly resistant to cutting
    He has been plucked through a roller-coaster, Headbutted a demon that slaps around construction vehicles. Been Punched hard enough that it created a shockwave that uprooted nearby tree.
    And what he can’t take he can heal from.

  4. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 11:25 am -      #4

    The master sword has Demon’s bane (Evil’s bane in English translation), it is specifically designed to harm demons, and it is very good at it’s job.

    Ganondorf is nigh impervious to damage and the master sword wrecks him.


    Assuming Link has it, the phantom sword would be current equipment, and I think it too has evils bane, but i can’t remember if it was ever explicitly stated.

  5. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #5

    I would think the 8-figure technique would be like activating a spell, such as Din’s Fire, Nayru’s Love, or Farore’s Wind. Let’s face it, the technique is not as simple as doing a sword attack. Anyway, this time stopping ability is limited as Link does not have Ciela. Still, from defeating the bosses and collecting certain items, his time freeze lasts up to 25 minutes, according to Zelda Wiki.

    Ignoring the red and yellow potions, apparently the purple potion will bring Link back to life, much like a fairy if he succumbs to death.

    If Link collects all 20 power gems, the strike of his sword is quadrupled in power. So Link’s sword is going to deal more damage than your typical sword. Collecting 20 wisdom gems will also quadruple his defense and his shield will not only be able to withstand more powerful attacks, but he can actually hurt his enemies by walking into them with it. With the courage gems, Link’s sword beams will be more powerful and its width will be doubled.

  6. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #6

    “Let’s face it, the technique is not as simple as doing a sword attack”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIDvV5qRRjU&t=2m38s

    All that happens is that Link spazzes a bit, and that is because he is moved by the touch screen. For no other character do we try and determine feats by player input. We don’t say that Mortal combat character’s all have delays in their reaction times while players enter in fatality codes. Or that other characters have bad reaction times because players miss QTE’s.

    You want the time stop to activate, Link does nothing, poof time is stopped.

  7. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 12:00 pm -      #7

    @LadyRamkin
    Those examples aren’t comparable. Ciela says, “And draw the shape of the Phantom Hourglass . . . a figure eight! Time will stop!” The player is clearly skilled in doing this, so it shouldn’t make much of a difference.

  8. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #8

    Right, two things I’ll drop:
    1) Master Sword and Phantom Sword work against Evil. Rin is not Evil and so they will not work better against him.
    2) It quite clearly says, “I stopped time.”
    That’s the Fairy speaking isn’t it? Does that mean Link isn’t the one doing the Time Stop?

  9. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 12:13 pm -      #9

    “Master Sword and Phantom Sword work against Evil”

    Well, in the original Japanese the master sword is the blade of demons bane. And since evil is totally subjective. AND since Japanese is the original text, it would make more sense if we went with that right?

    forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/14202-translation-of-japanese-game-texts/page-46

    I don’t think the phantom sword was ever confirmed to have “Evils bane” just divine power
    – – –
    “Those examples aren’t comparable.”

    They are totally comparable, player input has no effect on character abilities

  10. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 12:17 pm -      #10

    Well, in the original Japanese the master sword is the blade of demons bane.

    It’s had plenty of English releases over the years, if it was just a translation error it would’ve been altered long before now if it was wrong. They’ve been calling it a blade that fights evil for a long time now.

    And since evil is totally subjective.

    Paladin Sword is a Paladin Sword is a Paladin Sword.

  11. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #11

    “if it was just a translation error it would’ve been altered long before now if it was wrong.”

    Might not be a translation error, might just be that the localisation team didn’t want to write about demons. Or it could be that they just wanted the games to be consistent after the first error.

    The original japanese also refers to the dark world as a Makai, which means demon realm. Ganon is called the Demon king.

    An original source usually takes precedence over a contradictory newer source right? Unless its a retcon…

    Manga takes precedence over anime. Original language/authors intent, should take precedence over current outside translation.
    – – –
    “Paladin Sword is a Paladin Sword is a Paladin Sword.”

    Wut?

  12. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 12:38 pm -      #12

    @LadyRamkin
    You say that, but you haven’t done anything more than repeat yourself without any evidence.

    As for the Phantom Sword, “The Phantom Sword is no ordinary sword . . . When forged, normal metal can never handle that kind of sacred power!” (Zauz, Phantom Hourglass)

    Also, yeah, Ganondorf is the demon king of the Zeldaverse. I’ve seen literal translations of the Master Sword being referred to as “the anti-demon sword” or something like that.

  13. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 12:44 pm -      #13

    “You say that, but you haven’t done anything more than repeat yourself without any evidence.”

    You want me to show you evidence that player input has no bearing on a feat????? REALLY?!?!? Can you give any other example of where we do do that? (Hehe do do)

    Link does not do anything, we can clearly see Link not do anything. The only person that does anything is the player. Proof that Link does anything? A video, anything, of Link taking any action at all.

  14. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #14

    @LadyRamkin
    People here tend to take textual evidence above game play, and considering I quoted Ciela, that means Link has to perform a figure eight technique.

  15. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 1:45 pm -      #15

    “Paladin Sword is a Paladin Sword is a Paladin Sword.”

    Wut?


    Many characters have weapons that are empowered when faced with evil creatures- Master Sword, Lord of the Rings Weapons, Soul Calibur, and so on.

    For all of those, “evil” is not subjective but is instead known only by the neutral 3rd party- the weapon itself. The weapon simply knows evil when it comes across it; just because we have differing moral systems does not matter to the white/black morality of the weapons.
    Someone is either evil or good; notably good meaning not only “good” but also “not evil”.

    Also, yeah, Ganondorf is the demon king of the Zeldaverse. I’ve seen literal translations of the Master Sword being referred to as “the anti-demon sword” or something like that.

    Only one further question then- are there any good demons in the Zeldaverse?

  16. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 2:05 pm -      #16

    @Friendlysociopath
    As far as I’m aware, there aren’t any good demons in the Zeldaverse.

  17. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 2:09 pm -      #17

    As far as I’m aware, there aren’t any good demons in the Zeldaverse.

    Then we have no conflict here do we?
    One translation says the sword is against evil. Another says it is against demons.
    If demons are “only evil” in Zelda, then it stands to reason that “good” demons are not EC with “only evil” demons.

    Also, while I have two Zelda buffs nearby- do the Golden Gauntlets in any way increase Link’s damage in his games? I know they let him lift things- but do they ever increase the amount of damage he does?
    *Not Hyrule Warriors!*

  18. oakranger August 18, 2015 at 2:13 pm -      #18

    Let’s just say for now that link can throw up the time stop. Does Rin survive the following blast of attacks? Or does Rin have a feat of reacting faster then normal? Link I believe has normal if maybe slower reaction time to a new opponent showing up then others I’ve seen.

    @Friendly
    I don’t think it increases damage in the game but from a physics stand point it would. I’m going that since it’s not game, no.

  19. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 2:33 pm -      #19

    Can’t Rin just burn up whatever is holding all of Links Items… And his clothes
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/1c/1c69eb66c7244bd66377e80789303c84a184fb561a080c42de44ae31.jpg
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/b3/b38d73ac60b29621ebf8bf0d248a8345a82996962b43bf6bf30796df.jpg
    That was when he was just learning to control his flames. Now he can use his flames on command.

  20. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 3:16 pm -      #20

    I don’t think it increases damage in the game but from a physics stand point it would. I’m going that since it’s not game, no.

    Was just curious; this isn’t even the right Link for that so it’s irrelevant to this thread.

    Can’t Rin just burn up whatever is holding all of Links Items

    That… could be a legit problem if Link’s hammerspace pouch was incinerated.

  21. oakranger August 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm -      #21

    doesn’t link keep everything in a pouch? Including 3 other pouches? yeah that’s a problem!
    The only thing that would still be their is his shield and sword.
    Does it just combust or does fire fly at Link? Link might dodge fire, he’s done that before at least.

  22. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 4:08 pm -      #22

    @Friendlysociopath
    Golden gauntlets do not increase damage output, let alone throwing distance.

  23. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 4:18 pm -      #23

    Golden gauntlets do not increase damage output, let alone throwing distance.

    Ah, as I thought then; good to know for the Ultimate Crossover I’m writing.

    Does it just combust or does fire fly at Link?

    Pretty sure he’s capable of AoE attacks, which would be a real problem for Link as I’m sure the anime characters has a superior RT than Link does.

  24. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 4:22 pm -      #24

    “Does it just combust or does fire fly at Link?”

    He can do either
    Combust from a distance, he wasn’t very good a precision
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0c/0c57062b8da330ae2997cea04ac4a7d24690677174189b4dbd837ba1.png

    Then training
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/86/86e2a20a623a0421f45275f08090d3dd67788a2e64366b4e0580e0ea.png
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0a/0a35b7c19cbef7667f872127b2b0790c9348b09c7cc9af36add1639c.png

    He can also project it(fireballs, waves of fire, fire constructs)
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/a3/a33abebeae15d6238d75ab24e9cd36cf521bb33254ecc5a1f8704815.jpg

    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/a5/a5e733078f8f6a60c62439ec5a2eaf2a23a5b5fb743b8cfd1d56933b.jpg

  25. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 4:28 pm -      #25

    “Pretty sure he’s capable of AoE attacks”

    Yup
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/ae/aeaaee1470ed70f867d17b2d069f0a8bd505db5c1d64e6f041413a5f.jpg
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/24/24d4b1b46d2c03fb4a63302714c10bb14f7a146d3c339365c23c8f2f.jpg

    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/0c/0c4badf6f85adfa20247d1a018f1d3d589fd3160d835b1afb3218874.jpg

    The multi-point explosion spawning.
    Mixing the precision training with his usual overkill.
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/59/597ea5ea7f7f7d2481d2ed6b97ee7d2d9866c4195f9e81189447b5c0.jpg

  26. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 5:18 pm -      #26

    Sooo, this just became Time-Stop vs Combustion didn’t it?

  27. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 6:09 pm -      #27

    “People here tend to take textual evidence above game play, and considering I quoted Ciela, that means Link has to perform a figure eight technique.”

    zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/2/2c/Ztargeting.jpg/250px-Ztargeting.jpg

    I suppose that OoT link also has to press magical z and a buttons in order to look at things?? Seems legit.
    – – –
    Then we have no conflict here do we?
    One translation says the sword is against evil. Another says it is against demons.
    If demons are “only evil” in Zelda, then it stands to reason that “good” demons are not EC with “only evil” demons.

    All the demons we have encountered are evil, Therefore the anti demon sword can only hurt evil demons and not all demons like the ability implies???

    All the demons we have encountered are ginger,
    Therefore the anti demon sword can only hurt ginger demons and not all demons like the ability implies. Man the master sword has just been gimped, like a bitch.

    vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/a/a2/Ganondorf_Wind_Waker.png/revision/latest?cb=20081013231527

    vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/images/8/82/Demise.png/revision/latest?cb=20111117200340&path-prefix=en

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4008882-ganondorf.png

    vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/e/e9/Ganondorf_(Hyrule_Warriors).png/revision/latest?cb=20140806004719

    www.quickmeme.com/img/2d/2d4e5458d30c745c0c195d3d31af4356a9385dd0124c79011e67b8631630b9a1.jpg

    It has Demons bane as a property, the moral alignment should not matter.
    – – –
    Golden gauntlets do not buff attack strength.

  28. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #28

    DAMN YOU MODERATION GODS, MAY ALL YOUR PUBES TURN TO TINY VENOMOUS SNAKES.

  29. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 6:26 pm -      #29

    Too many links Ramkin, tsk tsk

    Here’s the difference in your analogy though; we have two descriptions that do not invalidate one another; unlike your ginger example.

    Evil’s Bane
    Demon’s Bane
    These are the descriptions of the Master Sword.

    Since all Demons in Legend of Zelda are Evil, this produces an interesting overlap; does it work on “Good” Demons? To that end, you need to prove it would work on a “Good” Demon because the sword apparently only works on Evil Demons.

  30. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #30

    “I suppose that OoT link also has to press magical z and a buttons in order to look at things?? Seems legit.”

    No but the look and talk actions still occur right? Could the same be said for the figure eight? Where the tap the screen is the omitted out of game reference and drawing the figure eight or whatever happen on the screen is the in game action?
    ===
    ” To that end, you need to prove it would work on a “Good” Demon because the sword apparently only works on Evil Demons.”

    To add, What about half demons?

  31. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 6:41 pm -      #31

    “Since all Demons in Legend of Zelda are Evil, this produces an interesting overlap; does it work on “Good” Demons?”

    It is a sword of demons bane.you would have to prove that it did not work on good demons, You would have to prove that the moral alignment of the demon circumvents the the fact that the sword is their bane.

    If i can a hammer of…. caned foods bane. That hammer woul dbe effective against all canned foods, you could not just say that i does not work on…. canned beans, You would have to prove that the hammer did not work of cans of beans.
    – – –
    “These are the descriptions of the Master Sword.”

    And one of them is the original version, that is STILL used in all current zelda titles on the original language. And the other is a localised version that differs from the source material.

    We should use the source material
    – – –
    “No but the look and talk actions still occur right?”

    Yes…. when the buttons are pressed? what?
    – – –
    “Could the same be said for the figure eight?”

    Yes, both are player inputs that cause Link to do something, that are specifically mentioned in ‘in game’ text’
    – – –
    “Where the tap the screen is the omitted out of game reference and drawing the figure eight or whatever happen on the screen is the in game action?”

    I don’t understand this enough to address it.

  32. Jake_Uzumaki August 18, 2015 at 6:47 pm -      #32

    “To that end, you need to prove it would work on a “Good” Demon because the sword apparently only works on Evil Demons.”

    To add, What about half demons?”

    Ah I love the smell of semantics in the morning.

  33. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm -      #33

    And one of them is the original version, that is STILL used in all current zelda titles on the original language.

    zeldawiki.org/Master_Sword
    Really? Because the references contain a ton of “Evil” and very few “Demons”.

  34. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 7:03 pm -      #34

    “Ah I love the smell of semantics in the morning.”

    It’s that fresh debate aroma.
    ===
    “I don’t understand this enough to address it.”

    The A-button and touch screen commands are clearly not happening. But the corresponding action relating to them do happen. Is that any clearer?

  35. Jake_Uzumaki August 18, 2015 at 7:07 pm -      #35

    I think this argument has cropped up before, I’m going to check.

  36. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #36

    “The A-button and touch screen commands are clearly not happening. But the corresponding action relating to them do happen. Is that any clearer?”

    yeeeeeeeesss, i think.
    Pressing A to talk causes talking to happen without the need to press A. (for Link)
    And touching the screen causes other things to happen without the need to touch the screen. (for Link)
    ???? yes?
    – – –
    “Really? Because the references contain a ton of “Evil” and very few “Demons”.”

    Wow, a Link to an english site uses the english term and not the Japanese one??!?! Shocker.

    forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/14202-translation-of-japanese-game-texts/page-46

    Which i have posted once here and in other places, contains direct translations for a ton of zelda stuff and they also appear along with the localisation translations. Everytime they localisation says evils bane the direct Japanese translation says Demons bane. Every time, right through every zelda title.
    – – –
    “I think this argument has cropped up before, I’m going to check.”

    Think it has too, i think it was in link vs….. some kind of phone game man… thing seres?

  37. Jake_Uzumaki August 18, 2015 at 7:22 pm -      #37

    Well wasn’t in the Naruto vs Link match…weird could have sworn that was it. Checked Link vs Vergil only mention of Evils Bane there was purely in relation to Ganondorf.

  38. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 7:25 pm -      #38

    I literally have no idea.

  39. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 7:26 pm -      #39

    @Friendlysociopath
    It’s probably that the game isn’t programmed that way. The increase in attack damage comes from the biggoron sword and the megaton hammer, so chances are, the golden gauntlets would not have been necessary with regard to that.

    By the way, since the megaton hammer causes the area to shake, it’d probably produce a magnitude of 2.0. Anyone who would experience this would only be felt slightly by some people and cause no damage to buildings. It’d be equal to 15 kilograms of TNT (6.3 megajoules)

    On the other hand, taken literally, the hammer would produce one million tons of force, which would be 2.0 * 10^9 pounds, which would be 8.896401405 * 10^9 newtons.

  40. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 7:37 pm -      #40

    “The Master Sword is a sacred blade that those with evil hearts can never touch.”

    So at least Rin can touch the master. All he has to do is melt links Grip off of it.
    Does it matter though? Link uses the phantom sword currently, right?

  41. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 7:47 pm -      #41

    Whee Internet is back! For now- I’ve just jinxed myself… damn.

    Does it matter though?

    Not really. On the one hand we have a Time Stop and on the other we have Spntaneous Combustion.
    It’s mostly a matter of who strikes first and with what as of now.

  42. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 7:51 pm -      #42

    I might not be entirely up to date with ao no exorcist but when does rin make people spontaneously combust? And is that his MO? Link plays dirty, Uses every advantage he can, instant time stop from him seems likely.

    Last i checked his greatest control of his power was uh… Satan slash, i think

  43. Ninja Lowk August 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm -      #43

    “I might not be entirely up to date with ao no exorcist but when does rin make people spontaneously combust? And is that his MO?”

    He hasn’t had many one on one fight but even when he was bloodlusted his go to was either striking or burning.
    See the third link in #25 for a recent example of him using the combustion technique on his enemies.
    ===
    “Last i checked his greatest control of his power was uh… Satan slash, i think”

    Satan Boom was his most recent move, Last link in #25. Spawns multiple explosion at various points.

  44. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm -      #44

    @LadyRamkin
    Actually, Link’s MO involves using whatever method works at the given time. Link will use his sword and shield first, and if those don’t help, he’ll try something else. In all the Zelda games I’ve played, I’ve never seen Link “fight dirty”.

    I forgot to mention something about Link’s wooden shield. The common types of wood used in the early European Middle Ages were linden, fir, adler, and poplar. I’d go with linden, which has a hardness of 1,300 N, the compression strength of 44.8 MPa, flexural strength of 85.4 MPa, and elastic modulus of 11.71 GPa.

    If we quadruple these numbers, then the shield will have a hardness of 5,200 N, a compression strength of 179.2 MPa, flexural strength of 341.6 MPa, and an elastic modulus of 46.84 GPa.

    www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/european-lime/

  45. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 8:51 pm -      #45

    “Actually, Link’s MO involves using whatever method works at the given time. Link will use his sword and shield first, and if those don’t help, he’ll try something else. In all the Zelda games I’ve played, I’ve never seen Link “fight dirty”.”

    Since Link never fights in a cut scene its probably a play style thing. But from my point of view Link identifies a weakness and the mercilessly exploits it.

    He goes for eyes, throats, drops bombs. shoots bombs, perma boomerang stuns.
    ect

  46. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #46

    @LadyRamkin
    It’s not a play style thing. Each boss requires a certain method and that’s what Link goes for.

  47. Friendlysociopath August 18, 2015 at 9:29 pm -      #47

    Would it be fair to say Link tends to start with his Bow+ Sword and then progresses to other methods if he spots an opening or need?

    What with the recent resurgence of characters fighting in character, I figured it was worth asking.

    Also my internet is F’ing up too much for earnest debate so I’m good only for one-off points at the moment.

  48. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #48

    Okay……. lets see…. the way i see it, with the definitions i use. You can either be a fair/honourable/chivalrous fighter. OR you can be a dirty fighter.

    Now, The fact that Link very deliberately exploits an enemies weaknesses (he has to, most attacks that don’t, don’t work as a game play feature) means that he is not being fair/honourable/chivalrous ect. He maybe doing what is required to win, but that is the point, he will do whatever it takes to win, he will get right in your face and fuck you up. That is what i mean by fighting dirty, he treats every enemy as though they have declined the marquis of Fantailler. He uses the most efficent method of taking down his enemies in the shortest possible time.

    That is how i perceive Link and that is how i define dirty fighting.
    – – –
    I would like to point out again that Link never fights in a cutscene. His own fighting style is never actually displayed, which is in contrast with someone like, Dante or Bayonetta whom do alot of cut scene fightinjg and it is usually ridiculous and awesome, and not really achievable via gameplay

  49. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 10:00 pm -      #49

    @LadyRamkin
    Then “dirty fighting” is too broad of a term and everyone fights dirty, including Rin. Sorry to say, but I have never encountered Link as the kind of person to “get right in your face and fuck you up”. That’s not how he is against Ganondorf. Being methodical doesn’t mean you’re a dirty fighter.

    Also, we have seen how Link fights in cut-scenes. I was certain he did something to protect Impa in Skyward Sword, and he impaled Ganondorf in Twilight Princess. He also readies his sword and shield before the golden wolf leaps onto him. Just because you think there aren’t any cut-scenes, doesn’t mean you get to project your view onto Link.

    Besides, Link is a character of Japanese origin. As far as I’m aware, Japanese swordsmen aren’t dirty fighters. You want a dirty fighter? Throw dirt or sand in your opponent’s eyes or kick his crotch.

  50. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 10:30 pm -      #50

    “Being methodical doesn’t mean you’re a dirty fighter”

    Stabbing your opponents repeatedly in the eyes is a ltad more than methodical
    – – –
    “That’s not how he is against Ganondorf”



    i.ytimg.com/vi/Opl9DMVm_lI/maxresdefault.jpg
    – – –
    “I was certain he did something to protect Impa in Skyward Sword,”

    There is an Impa protect scene in hyrule warriors?
    – – –
    “and he impaled Ganondorf in Twilight Princess”


    – – –
    “He also readies his sword and shield before the golden wolf leaps onto him”

    He raises his weapons before he thinks he is going to be attacked…. of cource, he is an honourable warrior, from the golden age of samurai
    – – –
    Just because you think there aren’t any cut-scenes”

    There is no where near enough to definitely decided his fighting style.

    “doesn’t mean you get to project your view onto Link.”

    Im not projecting anything, as far as i am concerned he fits the bill for what i would consider a dirty fighter.
    – – –
    “Besides, Link is a character of Japanese origin. As far as I’m aware, Japanese swordsmen aren’t dirty fighters.”

    Actually he is of hylian origin, and is usually self taught, therefore no parallels can be drawn between him and Japanese swords men.
    – – –
    “Throw dirt or sand in your opponent’s eyes or kick his crotch.”

    I would rather have dirt in my eyes than say, a sword. Which is normally where Link puts his.

    Throwing dirt in someone’s eyes, thats dirty, STAB them in the eyes, totally legit.

  51. Mea quidem sententia August 18, 2015 at 10:50 pm -      #51

    @LadyRamkin
    If the eye is the only weak point, I don’t see how it’s dirty fighting. If you’re talking about Ganondorf’s defeat in Ocarina of Time, from the looks of it, he slashes twice across Ganondorf’s face and then thrusts the master sword into his throat.

    There’s an Impa protect scene in Skyward Sword from what I recall. It’s been a few years. I’m not sure why you posted up a link of Twilight Princess.

    Link wasn’t aware of the golden wolf being a previous incarnation of Link until after the first “attack”. Regardless, we can work with Link’s character, which means who he is and how he interacts with others. You don’t need to have fight scenes to figure out a person’s personality.

    Fighting dirty would mean fighting dishonorably, but there’s no indication of Link doing such a thing. Hell, even Ganondorf is honorable, making sure there is a battlefield between him and Link. And no, Link is of Japanese origin. Honestly, you can’t be dense in thinking that I was talking about the goddamn universe in which he resides.

    Jesus! Link is a swordsman. That’s what he uses. But in your view, I suppose the Asian fellow in that one Predator movie was not being honorable because he was using his sword against a Yautja. Link fights monsters. Fighting monsters is not equal to fighting dirty.

  52. LadyRamkin August 18, 2015 at 11:15 pm -      #52

    “I’m not sure why you posted up a link of Twilight Princess.”

    Becuase all that happens in it is link jump and stabs him, you cited it as some kind of way to determine his fighting style.
    – – –
    “Link wasn’t aware of the golden wolf being a previous incarnation of Link until after the first “attack”.”

    …..and?
    – – –
    “regardless, we can work with Link’s character, which means who he is and how he interacts with others. You don’t need to have fight scenes to figure out a person’s personality.”

    Yes, Link does have a lot of personality, no body said that he didnt.
    – – –
    “Fighting dirty would mean fighting dishonorably,”

    And in my eyes fighting honourably, is giving your opponent a chance to ready themselves, not attacking them from behind, not attacking them when they dont have a weapon. things like that. That is how I define honourable comabt and i am not convinced that Link follows those rules, Wind waker Link definitly doesn’t.
    – – –
    “making sure there is a battlefield between him and Link”

    …. And he could mae it so that there was no battlefield???

    Also, possessing Zelda and using her to fight Link, totally Honourable.
    – – –
    “you can’t be dense in thinking that I was talking about the goddamn universe in which he resides.”

    No im not, But you cant be dense enough to think that a fictional universe inherits everything from the place where it was written. Link comes from hyrule, not Japan. You can not apply Japanese values to Hyrlue, they are completly seperate places with completely seperate history and culture. That would be like calling Aang a capitalist.
    – – –
    ” Link is a swordsman.”.

    And would an honourable swords man Repeatedly stab his opponents in the eyes?? I wouldnt say so. If you would, good for you. It doesn’t really matter. Since we both seem to agree on his actions, that he exploits weaknesses, what we respectively call it is irrelevant.

  53. Mea quidem sententia August 19, 2015 at 12:03 am -      #53

    @LadyRamkin
    Ganondorf also comes at Link and the two have their swords pressed against each other. During that time, you have to press the attack button in order to overpower Ganondorf.

    That Link brings out his sword and shield against a golden wolf suggests that Link will do that first. It’s also not the only time he does that from what I recall.

    You’re treating Link as if he doesn’t have a personality by trying to say he’s a dirty fighter and that this is how you perceive him.

    Link always gives his opponents a chance to ready themselves. He doesn’t force his way into battle. Dark Link will attack Link from behind. Ghirahim will attack Link from behind. Every enemy Link fights has some way to fight back. It doesn’t have to be a blade in hand. As far as I’m aware, Link doesn’t do any of these.

    Ganondorf could if he wanted to, but so far, he always has a battlefield. Sure, taking advantage of Zelda’s spiritless body when she put her spirit into Midna isn’t honorable, but it’s definitely smart.

    Actually, I can and it does. The windmill man’s name is Guru-Guru, which is a Japanese onomatopoeia for “turning round and round”. “Jabu Jabu” is the Japanese onomatopoeia for “splashing water”. Keatons are fox-like creatures, similar to kitsune. They’re tricksters who run away from Link unless Link is wearing the mask.

    When Link teaches the Rosa sisters the Kamaro’s dance, the sisters prostrate to Link and call him, “Master”. This looks similar to what’s called “dogeza”. They didn’t treat Link kindly when he first spoke to them as they’re trying to dance, but then bow down and seek favor after.

    Link bows to the Deku Princess. He also bows to Mikau’s grave. Link and Orca bow before and after practicing swordplay. He even refers to Link as “Master”.

    The hot springs the Goron’s spend time in is something you would see in Japan, or at least with regard to bathhouses. Even the Gorons who are angry with the people of Kakariko Village won’t attack Link. In order to bring peace between the Gorons and humans in Twilight Princess, Link has to prove his strength by sumo wrestling!

    Best of all? Ganondorf was originally going to be named Hakkai from Cho Hakkai from the 16th century Chinese novel, Journey to the West. Am I saying that everything in the Zeldaverse is inspired by Japan? No, but what I am saying is you’d have to be a fucking idiot to not realize the Japanese inspiration and mannerisms into a video game series that’s straight out of Japan. So as I said before, I can.

    If that opponent is a monster, maybe. Now please, stop calling Link a dirty fighter and imposing your views onto him.

  54. Envoy August 19, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #54

    “” To that end, you need to prove it would work on a “Good” Demon because the sword apparently only works on Evil Demons.”

    To add, What about half demons?”
    +
    The master sword has worked on Hyrulean Knights just fine, it seems to really be “who is in the way” kinda thing.

  55. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 11:25 am -      #55

    “You’re treating Link as if he doesn’t have a personality by trying to say he’s a dirty fighter and that this is how you perceive him.”

    In what way? You can be the nicest person on the entire planet and still fight dirty.
    – – –
    “So as I said before, I can.”

    If you want to do that good for you. But can you provide any proof, that Hylian combat is inspired from Japanese combat styles? Do samurai routinely spin around until they are dizzy??
    – – –
    “Now please, stop calling Link a dirty fighter and imposing your views onto him.”

    LINK IS A DIRTY FIGHTER
    LINK IS A DIRTY FIGHTER
    LINK IS A DIRTY FIGHTER
    LINK IS A DIRTY FIGHTER

    I have my definition of a dirty fighter, Link fits MY DEFINITION, therefore, TO ME he is a dirty fighter. If you would get off of your high horse you would realise that what i CALL him makes no difference since we both AGREE to his actions.

    Link is perfectly willing to:
    Use stun bombs to freeze his opponents and then stab them in the eyes.

    Force bombs down their throats.

    Shoot them in the eyes with seeds or Arrows

    Drop entire caverns on them

    Destroy their bones one at a time

    Set them on fire.

    Crack them open and stab them

    Tear them apart one piece at a time

    Ect, Are you really telling me, that you think that if Link had to throw dirt into someone’s face to beat them, that he wouldn’t??? That is a couple steps below most of the shit he has already done.

  56. Friendlysociopath August 19, 2015 at 11:39 am -      #56

    But can you provide any proof, that Hylian combat is inspired from Japanese combat styles?

    Mortal Draw- carbon copy of Iaido and Iaijutsu

    You can be the nicest person on the entire planet and still fight dirty.

    Your interpretation of “Dirty” does not match the actual wording of it though.
    “Dirty Fighter” means you fight in ways unallowed in whatever form of combat you’re using.
    Biting if you’re a boxer.
    Kicking someone in the groin in a swordfight.
    And so on.
    Link has no specific form of combat- so he can’t fight “dirty” because he doesn’t have any rules to break. He does what is necessary to win sure, but that’s not dirty fighting. “Dirty” implies you have a “Clean” alternative. Link almost never does.

    What does this version of Link typically fight? Animals? Monsters? Skeletons? People? Giant bosses? What’s his typical fighting strategy? I doubt he busts out Time Stops for just anything that walks up to him.

  57. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #57

    “Your interpretation of “Dirty” does not match the actual wording of it though.”

    I KNOW, that is what i have been saying. I explained how i use it. And that Link fits how I use. I am not trying to say. I use dirty like X, that makes Link X, X and Y are the same word, theretofore Link is Y.

    NO, Not doing that. I view Link as a dirty fighter and i will, until my view on that phrase changes.
    – – –
    “What’s his typical fighting strategy?”

    Well, the strategy is determined by the player. But im pretty sure it goes something like:
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!
    Horizontal slash!

    “I doubt he busts out Time Stops for just anything that walks up to him.”

    He only gains access to Time stops during the final boss fight, but they are an ability of his sword.

  58. Friendlysociopath August 19, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #58

    He only gains access to Time stops during the final boss fight, but they are an ability of his sword.

    Kind of doubting it’s something he uses at the drop of the hat for just anyone then.

    I use dirty like X, that makes Link X, X and Y are the same word, theretofore Link is Y.

    Just so long as A = A and A = B so B = A.
    That’s all I care about. C can go fuck himself.

  59. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #59

    “That’s all I care about. C can go fuck himself.”

    YEAH, FUCK C
    – – –
    “Mortal Draw- carbon copy of Iaido and Iaijutsu”

    Yay, that one thing.

    The fact that hyrule has:
    A king
    A princess
    Knights in literal shining armour toting broad swords
    ect

    If anything Hyrule was deliberately westernised. Especially when it comes to hylians.

  60. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm -      #60

    As far as i can tell the sword and shield thing was never widely used in Japan.
    – – –
    Where did all the Cows go between ocarina of time and twilight princess?

  61. Friendlysociopath August 19, 2015 at 12:17 pm -      #61

    As far as i can tell the sword and shield thing was never widely used in Japan.

    It was for a while but fighting with and against cavalry forced them to simply focus on mounted combat and forgo footsoldier shields.

    If anything Hyrule was deliberately westernised.

    There you go, dismiss that one form of honorable combat for the culture held responsible for honorable combat XD

  62. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #62

    All i was saying is that just assuming that Hylian swordsmanship is inherited from Japan is nonsense considering The western style of Hylians.

    Now, if you want to assume that Hylian swordsmanship is inherited from knights, that is a better assumption, but still an invalid one.

    And it doesn’t really matter, since Link is mostly self taught. And when the hero’s shade teaches him, that is like, the MOST self taught you can be.

  63. Mea quidem sententia August 19, 2015 at 3:44 pm -      #63

    @LadyRamkin
    If pushed, maybe, but nice people likely wouldn’t get into confrontations.

    Hylian combat isn’t inspired from anything as far as I’m aware, but that’s not what I was saying. I was saying Link’s mannerisms behave in the way one would see from Japan.

    Your definition of a dirty fighter is incorrect. A dirty fighter would sucker punch, or in this case, stab his opponent behind his back. He would kick or throw dirt in his opponent’s eyes. He would gang up against a single individual, which Link never does, but his opponents tend to.

    I’m not sure how attacking a monster is considered dirty fighting. I’m not sure how using bombs to defeat an enemy whose only known weakness is his innards. You seem to enjoy bringing up Link stabbing eyes. Are you referring to monsters like Gohma, whose weakness is the eye? Or Beamos? Contact me when Link is fighting humans and does these things. By that point, it wouldn’t be dirty fighting, it’d be cruelty.

  64. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 4:13 pm -      #64

    Attacking the weakness of a monster is just good stratagy, attacking the weakness of a person is cruelty. You, good sir, are monsterphobic.
    – – –
    “A dirty fighter would sucker punch, or in this case, stab his opponent behind his back”

    And without cutscene evidence we cant say whether he would either way. I think he would.
    – – –
    “He would kick or throw dirt in his opponent’s eyes.”

    “You seem to enjoy bringing up Link stabbing eyes”

    That’s because you seem to think that throwing dirt in someone’s eyes, something that is potentially non harmful mind you. Is morally less acceptable than putting a sword in them, something that is almost guaranteed to do some serious damage.

    It baffles me how you have managed to separate these two things.

    Throwing dirt in the eyes, is abhorrent and makes you a dirty schemer not to be trusted and reflects poorly of your personality.

    Stabbing in the eyes is totally fine, especially if it is the only way to kill them. I mean, taking out your opponent by any means necessary is expected.

    Just, what happens if Link has to fight an enemy that he can only kill by throwing dirt in its eyes???? Does he just say “fuck it” and surrender??? He has too right, can’t be doing that, tis all dishonourable and whatnot.
    – – –
    “I’m not sure how attacking a monster is considered dirty fighting”

    It’s not attacking the monster, it’s the way he does it.

    You said that throwing dirt in the eyes and kicking in the groin is dirty fighting.

    So when Link stabs in the eyes and attacks their weak-point, their metaphorical groin, that somehow is NOT dirty fighting?

    He is doing the exact same thing. Hs blinds/stuns them, attacks their weakpoint. Unless it specifically has to be the groin for it to be dirty?
    – – –
    “He would gang up against a single individual, which Link never does”

    *cough* four swords *cough*

    Unless you are saying that canonically they go in one at a time, to keep it all fair and shit.
    – – –
    From your point of view, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any lone protagonist that fights monsters to fight dirty. They just can’t do it.
    – – –

  65. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 4:18 pm -      #65

    Even when he sumo wrestles the Gorons he cheats. Im sure that using Boots to make yourself exponentially heavier is totally in the rules.
    – – –
    “A dirty fighter would sucker punch, or in this case, stab his opponent behind his back”

    I know that ive shot a fair few moblins in the back.

  66. Alpha or Omega August 19, 2015 at 4:26 pm -      #66

    I wouldn’t say Link is a dirty fighter.
    Ramkin, if that’s your definition of a dirty fighter, then Link qualifies, but your definition defers from what is usually accepted by others.
    /
    Anyway, how would these two feats be comparable to Rin’s flames and explosive attacks?
    youtu.be/HH_w1bysFAI?t=774
    Link being catapulted
    youtu.be/egnFybOjYH8?t=548
    Link in an explosion and gets launched.

  67. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 4:30 pm -      #67

    “Ramkin, if that’s your definition of a dirty fighter, then Link qualifies, but your definition defers from what is usually accepted by others.”

    I know, Ive said that like twice. but Mea quidem sententia seems to take it personally.
    – – –
    Link can tank his own bombs to his face, and Links Bombs can usually disintegrate (not literally) Big bolders.

  68. Ninja Lowk August 19, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #68

    Can we just say he is pragmatic? He uses what works. It isn’t honorable or dirty, it’s just smart.

  69. Nsl98 August 19, 2015 at 6:55 pm -      #69

    Pragmatic is a nice word, let’s go with that.

  70. Ninja Lowk August 19, 2015 at 7:13 pm -      #70

    “Anyway, how would these two feats be comparable to Rin’s flames and explosive attacks?”

    Not sure, Rin’s explosion blast through metal, allowed him to blast straight through a building into the basement of the facility #25.
    His flames don’t seem to have trouble with metal either.

    Not really an explosive feat but here he annihilates a squid leaving nothing left
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/2a/2a94caaf71c097a74c009222d215f3f7b4e2119f5e1f5ee4cde6f78a.png
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/b9/b922fce3aef7f82f726b4735d1cea25f74943b70031fa6717dd0c9d9.png

    Bit of reference for how large the thing was
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/5646/08-035.0/compressed/e002.jpg?v=11335827822

  71. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 7:18 pm -      #71

    Pragmatic is like IF
    – – –
    Also, now finished psych, anything else anyone can recommend good? And it had better be good, Because I know, you know, that you are not telling the truth.

  72. Nsl98 August 19, 2015 at 7:23 pm -      #72

    Burn Notice

    And what’d you think of Psych?

  73. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 7:28 pm -      #73

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qf8M57we1I&t=0m11s

    And I liked the mentalist.

  74. Ninja Lowk August 19, 2015 at 7:36 pm -      #74

    Though I put this up already, Rin stops a blade with his hand and isn’t cut
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/48/485ef498201600cc3fd9afed1a0ae9496b3774ac5cde65a0799dd90e.jpg
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/a4/a41c3ebd4e5a62c5b5c662470924e4f95f4c4f3c5c9ec321e3ee1c31.jpg

    Gets blasted through a roller-coaster
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/93/93e03b4df14292c25ff943a50319543ad284bcccc17fecdd67d897b1.jpg
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/71/713487a08d424d16ed72f3d0848389e91e1fa2734ff2e59c22295431.jpg

  75. Friendlysociopath August 19, 2015 at 7:42 pm -      #75

    Also, now finished psych, anything else anyone can recommend good?

    There’s a Robin Hood show on Netflix that’s surprisingly good.
    www.imdb.com/title/tt0787985/

  76. LadyRamkin August 19, 2015 at 11:46 pm -      #76

    So there i am watching some robin hood when suddenly it hits me, Robin hood the game, in the assassins creed engine. Who wouldnt play that?!?! BEST IDEA 2015.

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