Team Superman Vs Team Vision

Team Superman Vs Team Vision

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Superman, Batman, Arrow, Flash (DC) will go up against Vision, Thor, Quicksilver, Daredevil (Marvel).

Superman and Batman are DCCU, Arrow and Flash CWU.

Vision, Thor, and Daredevil are MCU. Quicksilver is DOFP.

Fight takes place on Isla Nublar.

Who will win?

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73 Comments on "Team Superman Vs Team Vision"

  1. Nsl98 July 30, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #1

    Batman has no feats yet.

    Initially with Thor making Supes bleed. Then the rest of his team can fight DC.

  2. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 12:13 am -      #2

    Imma have to go with Team DC. Even with Thor being able to city bust and Supes fight being the equivalent of being a 20KT airburst being heavily disputed Team DC still has a major speed advantage that I don’t see Marvel overcoming, even without Flash being able to time travel he’s still moved fast enough to make lightning look slow on two separate occasions and Supes is just ridiculously fast(Mach 32 is escape velocity right?).

  3. AbsoluteZero July 30, 2015 at 12:19 am -      #3

    I’m imagining Batman standing on the sidelines yelling, “HOW DO I PUNCH?! I’VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE!”

  4. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 12:26 am -      #4

    “AM I THE NIGHT? HOW DO I NIGHT?”

  5. AbsoluteZero July 30, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #5

    DCCU Batman 2015 – “AM I SMART ME, DUMB BRUISER ME, OR BATGOD ME! GIVE ME SOMETHING TO WORK WITH!”

  6. Friendlysociopath July 30, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #6

    But… Flash can’t fly can he? All Vision and Thor have to do is fly up and it’ll just be them and Supes.

  7. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #7

    www.kappit.com/img/pics/27342070cbhei.jpg

  8. Nobunaga Jin July 30, 2015 at 12:56 am -      #8

    Is it just a team battle, or is it supposed to pit certain heroes against certain heroes (You know, like: Superman vs Thor, Flash vs Quicksilver, Batman vs Daredevil, and Arrow vs…Vision…okay, they’re not the best match ups, but gimme a break. I’m tired)

    Honestly, I think that Thor and Vision’d probably take care of Superman, Quicksilver fights the Flash, and Daredevil gets double-teamed, but that’s just what I’m imagining.

  9. Ninja Lowk July 30, 2015 at 1:02 am -      #9

    “But… Flash can’t fly can he? All Vision and Thor have to do is fly up and it’ll just be them and Supes.”

    Thats not Thor’s style.
    ===
    “DCCU Batman 2015 – “AM I SMART ME, DUMB BRUISER ME, OR BATGOD ME! GIVE ME SOMETHING TO WORK WITH!”

    Batfleck: Tell me, do you bleed?
    Vision: I not actually sur
    Batflick: You will!
    ===
    Arkham Batman needs more love. Maybe we could use him until we get some actual stuff about batfleck.

  10. Nobunaga Jin July 30, 2015 at 1:11 am -      #10

    “Arkham Batman needs more love. Maybe we could use him until we get some actual stuff about batfleck.”

    That kinda tips the DC team a bit more on the OP side (which I’m pretty sure they’re already on, with Superman), since the guy has several different gadgets, and a Bat-Tank at his disposal.

    On an unrelated note, does anyone know how to italicize text here? I tried the [i] thing I’m so used to! but it didn’t work.

  11. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:29 am -      #11

    i think you do it like this?

    ‘Smaller than’ i ‘greater than’
    then
    ‘smaller than’ /i ‘greater than’

    Around what you want to say

    b for bold

    does this work

  12. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:34 am -      #12

    Apparently not.

    Does anybody know how to underline stuff?

  13. Nobunaga Jin July 30, 2015 at 1:37 am -      #13

    Daredevil seems to be in trouble against Batfleck and Arrow

    Did that work? Maybe I have to wait for a minute

  14. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:39 am -      #14

    You have to use smaller than and greater than instead of the square brackets….

    Use the pointy brackets.
    >>>>
    _
    I literally just said that.

    Shift comma
    and
    shift full stop
    – – –
    Shift-comma i shift-fullstop “text” Shift-comma /i shift-fullstop

    No spaces

  15. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:44 am -      #15

  16. Nobunaga Jin July 30, 2015 at 1:44 am -      #16

    You kinda confused me when you said that the first time. If you called them signs, it would’ve been much clearer, but that’s probably just me.

  17. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:45 am -      #17

    Signs? Called what signs?

  18. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:46 am -      #18

  19. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:47 am -      #19

  20. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:47 am -      #20

  21. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:47 am -      #21

  22. Nobunaga Jin July 30, 2015 at 1:54 am -      #22

    Greater Than Sign: >
    Less Than Sign: Those are what you were referring to. Also, why do you have, like, four posts with nothing on them?

  23. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:55 am -      #23

    I enjoy being annoying. It’s the troll in me.

  24. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 1:58 am -      #24
  25. Nobunaga Jin July 30, 2015 at 1:59 am -      #25

    Don’t you think having the Navi avatar is enough?…actually, scratch that. I like Navi. She’s cool.

  26. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 2:01 am -      #26

    Also, it is 7 AM and i have not been to bed yet, so tiredness mixed with my inherent stupidity, fused with my inner Navi is causing me to talk and talk but not say anything

    Interesting fact, Navi is only my avatar because it was the only picture on my computer that was an appropriate size when i picked my pic.

  27. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 2:05 am -      #27

  28. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 2:05 am -      #28

  29. Shadow-Knight July 30, 2015 at 2:30 am -      #29

    Ok, so MCU Vision has an infinity stone in his forhead that he can use as an energy weapon, the ability to phase through people/attacks (did this a few time when ripping ultron drones apart), and has every cell in his body made of Vibranium…… and he can use Thor’s hammer in combat (also did it on screen). Why can’t he and Thor team up on supes again?

  30. AbsoluteZero July 30, 2015 at 2:38 am -      #30

    “Ok, so MCU Vision has an infinity stone in his forhead that he can use as an energy weapon, the ability to phase through people/attacks (did this a few time when ripping ultron drones apart), and has every cell in his body made of Vibranium…… and he can use Thor’s hammer in combat (also did it on screen). Why can’t he and Thor team up on supes again?”

    The only viable information there is his ability to phase, and being made of vibranium. Lifting Thor’s hammer is a morality feat, not a strength feat. And the infinity stones have absolutely no way to grasp power in these movies. All we’ve seen them do is shoot brightly coloured lights. Keeping in mind that the Aether wasn’t even enough to put Thor down in The Dark World.

    Besides, if Vision is using Thor’s hammer, then Thor isn’t using Thor’s hammer.

  31. Shadow-Knight July 30, 2015 at 2:51 am -      #31

    Lol , I never said it was a strength feat. Just that this match has two people who could use it. Say in a similar fashion to the movie Thor distracts while Vision sneaks in with the hammer from behind. Also, what’s to stop Vision from phasing his hands into superman and crushing his heart or other internal organs….or grabing them and pulling them out when he phases his hands back out.?


    Even if the stone doesn’t one shot supes, it’ll hurt like a bitch

  32. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 3:58 am -      #32

    So, it probably goes:

    Flash vs Quicksilver
    Superman vs Thor
    Batman vs Daredevil
    Arrow vs Vision

    Flash is faster, by a lot. Flash makes lightning look slow moving. QS caps out at bullets so far(although I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next film he outpaces lightning). After winning he’ll take out DD since he’s the only other character here who he could actually take on.

    Thor is leaps and bounds tougher and can hit harder for sure. I don’t see him hitting Supes in all honesty. To be honest though, his hardest hits have been pretty avoidable for the most part. You see him in Thor 1 land a massive blow wrecking the Frost Giant home, but it was pretty obvious when he was doing it. Later, you see him take multiple hits to break the bridge to the Rainbow Bridge, and the last one was clearly harder than the rest. Thor 2 when he shakes the entire library grounds was also clearly looked like more effort was being put into it. And in AoU the feat where he hits the vibranium it’s still very clearly going to be a harder hit than the rest of them. Those seem pretty easy to avoid. Although, hitting him with lightning seems like his best option. Don’t think Supes can lightning time and it should incapacitate him for a bit at the very least(since he hasn’t shown any special resistance thus far)leaving him open for one of Thor’s heavier hits or for Vision to turn his insides into mush. Should Thor’s lightning land a hit that is.

    DD wins if only because DCCU Bats is featless as of now.

    Vision stomps the unlucky Oliver Queen and then goes helps Thor with Supes. Vision should be just as durable as Thor(IIRC the giant metal tube survived the city vaporization)due to being made from vibranium. The mind gem isn’t all that impressive so far(it took Vision, Thor, and IM blasting him for while to really do much as I remember it)and other than that they were just blasting away at mooks. The real threat from him will be his phasing abilities. But I doubt Supes will give him the chance to use them. Again, I only see Thor hitting him with lightning being their best bet to slow him down long enough for them to do anything.
    =
    But even if they did manage to take down Supes, it’d still be them two trying to catch up to Flash and failing miserably. Flash could literally just keep running all day from them.
    =
    “Ok, so MCU Vision has an infinity stone in his forhead that he can use as an energy weapon”

    Which is relatively featless, besides blasting a few mook tin cans and damaging Ultron with the help of Thor’s lightning and IM’s repulsor rays.
    =
    ” the ability to phase through people/attacks (did this a few time when ripping ultron drones apart)”

    Assuming he could catch up to him, yea that’d be pretty bad for Supes.
    =
    ” has every cell in his body made of Vibranium……”

    Can’t CW Flash phase through things as well? Or has he not gotten there yet, it’s been a while. Vision will be a lot harder to take out though.
    =
    ” and he can use Thor’s hammer in combat (also did it on screen).”

    Don’t think Vision can hit hard enough to really do much else besides annoy Ultron.
    =
    “Why can’t he and Thor team up on supes again?”

    Probably exactly what’ll happen. Don’t think either have the speed feats to keep up though. Although, Thor and Vision will be considerably harder to be put down than Supes will be. Thor surviving a city’s vaporization and the vibranium tube doing the same. At that point it’ll just be a battle of attrition, one I’m not entirely sure they’ll win.

    Basically, Thor hits harder than Supes, him and Vision are overall tougher, but Supes is a lot faster and we know that even after fighting two other Kryptonians, destroy those world engine things, he was still managing to fight with Zod and do ridiculous amounts of damage to the surrounding areas. While a 10KT airburst over 5 minutes(assuming he put out half of that)won’t kill Thor or Vision a longer battle of attrition will wear them down here.
    =
    To people who can physics, how much energy is in the airburst of a nuke? If the total nuke output is 20KT, how much of that is airburst? And how much would each hit be giving out from that portion?
    =
    ” Also, what’s to stop Vision from phasing his hands into superman and crushing his heart or other internal organs….or grabing them and pulling them out when he phases his hands back out.?”

    If he can catch him, nothing at all. I just doubt he can catch him, Supes was fighting evenly with people that were too fast for human soldiers to react to and were consistently causing shockwaves from their hits as well as doing that himself.

  33. Kara Zor-El July 30, 2015 at 6:33 am -      #33

    @WumblyBumpkin
    _
    Noooo, you’re better than this.
    _
    @the match picture.
    _
    Just a nitpick, but if it’s DofP Quicksilver, why did you use an AoU Quicksilver pic?

  34. Rorschach July 30, 2015 at 10:47 am -      #34

    @Kara Zor-El
    “Just a nitpick, but if it’s DofP Quicksilver, why did you use an AoU Quicksilver pic?”
    I was gonna address this as well. Maybe it was the only picture that fit with the lineup?

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets
    “Probably exactly what’ll happen. Don’t think either have the speed feats to keep up though. Although, Thor and Vision will be considerably harder to be put down than Supes will be. Thor surviving a city’s vaporization and the vibranium tube doing the same. At that point it’ll just be a battle of attrition, one I’m not entirely sure they’ll win.”
    If Supes and Flash doesn’t have the strength to take down Thor and Vision, and Thor and Vision don’t have the speed to take down Supes and Flash, this match could go on a long time. What would constitute a “win” in this case?
    The only scenario I could picture is Supes going in to punch Vision (in an attempt to end the match) and Vision phasing into his body.
    The only thing I could think of for them to stop Flash is Thor destroying Isla Nublar in a similar manner to the attack he did on Jotunheim, the frost giant home planet in Thor 1. (I know that type of attack would not destroy the island, but multiple attacks of that nature to the island, and Flash not being able to stop it. Even then, Flash could probably just run around on the water at that point.)

  35. GrandMaster July 30, 2015 at 10:56 am -      #35

    Superman destroys part of a mountain in Man of Steel when he is learning to control his powers. That should put him on par with Thor.

  36. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 11:08 am -      #36

    “If Supes and Flash doesn’t have the strength to take down Thor and Vision”

    I think Supes would eventually. He’s shown to be able to be able to fight for long periods of time without much rest at all and still output ridiculous amount of damage.

    He doesn’t have to kill either of them, just knock them out or incapacitate them long enough for DC to get the win.
    =
    ” What would constitute a “win” in this case?”

    Going with your scenario I’d assume nothing would and it would just be a never ending stalemate.
    =
    “The only scenario I could picture is Supes going in to punch Vision (in an attempt to end the match) and Vision phasing into his body.”

    Wouldn’t that depend on Vision’s phasing speed then for him to actually trap Supes? Granted, that would be tricky for Supes to get passed and would probably loose him an arm at the very least. It could very likely take him down too since something like that would prove pretty traumatic.

    He’s also still able to heat vision him, but that doesn’t really seem to be his MO. I think he used it, two maybe three times in his two fights? Once when he was pinned by Faora and the Namekian and the other when Zod swung the giant metal beam at him.
    =
    “The only thing I could think of for them to stop Flash is Thor destroying Isla Nublar in a similar manner to the attack he did on Jotunheim, the frost giant home planet in Thor 1”

    Which he could probably outrun.

  37. Ragnorke July 30, 2015 at 11:10 am -      #37

    @CH1
    “Thor is leaps and bounds tougher and can hit harder for sure.”

    Where’s your proof for this though…?

    Thor MAY be tougher, but considering we have no proof of the state he was in after tanking the explosion, we don’t know.
    Keep in mind he got manhandled by both Hulk, and to a lesser degree by Iron-man. Both of whom are barely building busting.
    Superman on the other hand, we’ve never really seen take damage. At all.

    As for hitting harder, there is NO EVIDENCE of Thor hitting harder than Supes mountain busting feat.
    You claim Thor created the entire explosion that destroyed the city, which i’v already gone over you with. you can’t prove that. All the Avengers were clearly focused on the energy-bomb, and their goal was to trigger it, with tony tweaking it & thor banging it.
    You’re entitled to believe the bomb didn’t cause the explosion, that’s fine, that’s your belief, but you can’t prove it.

    I agree Thors lightning was undeniably visible at the starting point, where a few buildings were busted, but that’s the extent of what we can prove,
    Mountain busting > Nukes which destroy entire cities… Which Clark did accidentally.

  38. LadyRamkin July 30, 2015 at 11:22 am -      #38

    “Noooo, you’re better than this.”

    Well, I am now. You deprive me of sleep and i will say literally anything.

  39. Nsl98 July 30, 2015 at 11:29 am -      #39

    Keep in mind he got manhandled by both Hulk

    I wouldn’t necessarily call the Helicarrier fight Thor getting “manhandled”. He was essentially using himself as a punching bag in order for Hulk to not wreck the Helicarrier. Loki was the one who got manhandled.

    and to a lesser degree by Iron-man.

    Not really. He was clearly crushing and denting the armor. And he accidentally super charged Tony during the fight.

  40. Ragnorke July 30, 2015 at 11:47 am -      #40

    “I wouldn’t necessarily call the Helicarrier fight Thor getting “manhandled”.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDXseJRJIk
    Hulk didn’t need any momentum, any swing, he literally just twitched his arm and it sent Thor flying.

    Granted Thor didn’t see it coming, but MCU Hulk is incredibly unimpressive in strength.

    “Not really. He was clearly crushing and denting the armor. And he accidentally super charged Tony during the fight.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1g-B8BJzwc
    Thor was getting knocked around by Ironmans blasts & kicks. Most of which he DID see coming.
    And this was BEFORE Thor supercharged him.

    As i said earlier, depending on Thors condition after the AoU explosion, he MAY be as durable as Superman. Which is still a stretch, since we’ve never seen Clark take damage.

    But there’s definitely no proof he can hit harder than Clark.

  41. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 11:49 am -      #41

    “Thor MAY be tougher, but considering we have no proof of the state he was in after tanking the explosion, we don’t know.”

    He looked like he was out. But, he also was smack dab in the middle of an explosion that was vaporizing the city.
    =
    “Keep in mind he got manhandled by both Hulk, and to a lesser degree by Iron-man. Both of whom are barely building busting.”

    Hulk and Thor seemed pretty even to me and IM was definitely not putting up any special resistance to Thor.
    =
    “As for hitting harder, there is NO EVIDENCE of Thor hitting harder than Supes mountain busting feat.”

    He didn’t bust the mountain, he busted the tip of it.
    =
    “As for hitting harder, there is NO EVIDENCE of Thor hitting harder than Supes mountain busting feat.”









    Again, his average blows aren’t are hard as those ones, but they seem to be a lot harder than Supes average blows. The most destructive ones were when him and Zod collided with each other.
    =
    “You claim Thor created the entire explosion that destroyed the city, which i’v already gone over you with. ”

    Then you should know I admitted it wasn’t entirely Thor. That it was him plus energy that came from someplace(putting it second this time to avoid confusion with the last time I said this)that I don’t necessarily remember where it came from.
    =
    ” All the Avengers were clearly focused on the energy-bomb, and their goal was to trigger it, with tony tweaking it & thor banging it.”

    Like I told you there, Tony was pretty focused on Thor having to hit it. If he didn’t hit it hard enough it wouldn’t of triggered the explosion nor would it have done the intended effect. The fact Tony seemed to think Thor could do it on his own should be pretty convincing.
    =
    “I agree Thors lightning was undeniably visible at the starting point, where a few buildings were busted, but that’s the extent of what we can prove,”

    Yea, I know, even in the last thread I mention that.
    =
    “Mountain busting > Nukes which destroy entire cities… Which Clark did accidentally.”

    Which he doesn’t do. Most of the mountain is pretty intact.
    =
    Not going to really argue any of these since I do think the DC team wins.

  42. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #42

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x_3mvbZzbU#t=2m55s

    Forgot to add that one.

  43. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 11:58 am -      #43

    “Again, his average blows aren’t are hard as those ones, but they seem to be a lot harder than Supes average blows.”

    To rephrase this, Supes average blows are a lot harder than Thor’s, but Supes also hasn’t really had as many one hit finishers as Thor has. Thor’s higher end blows look to be more impressive than Supes higher end(like I said, his higher end ones were also caused by Zod and him colliding).

  44. Ragnorke July 30, 2015 at 11:58 am -      #44

    @CH1
    “He looked like he was out. But, he also was smack dab in the middle of an explosion that was vaporizing the city.”

    True,
    Oh wait, we actually see him knocked out? I didn’t remember that.

    “He didn’t bust the mountain, he busted the tip of it.”

    Which is what it takes approximately 50KT to do… AKA the largest nuke ever designed by mankind.
    3-4 times larger than the WW2 bombs.
    Mountains are pretty dense.

    The important factor here is that it was done on ACCIDENT.
    Whereas Thor has to bust a nut to achieve results a fraction of that.

    “Again, his average blows aren’t are hard as those ones, but they seem to be a lot harder than Supes average blows. The most destructive ones were when him and Zod collided with each other.”

    The first video was a valley of ICE.
    The second video is based entirely on the durability of the bridge… Which is a mystery to us… You’re trying to determine 1 variable by using another variable.
    I didn’t see anything worthwhile in the third. Time Stamp?

    Also, Clark wasn’t trying to kill Zod throughout the fight.

  45. Rorschach July 30, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #45

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets
    “I think Supes would eventually. He’s shown to be able to be able to fight for long periods of time without much rest at all and still output ridiculous amount of damage.”
    You’re right, he probably could survive the long duration of this match. That leads me to the Vision scenario I had in mind. I’ll get to that a little later.

    “He doesn’t have to kill either of them, just knock them out or incapacitate them long enough for DC to get the win.”
    That could prove problematic. It wouldn’t take long for Vision to take down Arrow and fly to Thor’s aid. Supes noticing this, he goes in to attack Vision, but Vision phases into him.
    At least, that’s the only thing I can think of that leaves Thor still able to fight after this.

    “Wouldn’t that depend on Vision’s phasing speed then for him to actually trap Supes?”
    Huh, I didn’t think of that. Would Vision’s phasing power be based in terms of speed, or just something part of him and his body?

    “He’s also still able to heat vision him, but that doesn’t really seem to be his MO. I think he used it, two maybe three times in his two fights? Once when he was pinned by Faora and the Namekian and the other when Zod swung the giant metal beam at him.”
    If the fight did drag on between them, he probably would use it after a while, but you are right, it doesn’t seem to be his MO.

    “Which he could probably outrun.”
    Well, I was more implying that he does that to attack the island, numerous times, in an attempt to destroy it, or at the very least, make it to where Flash wouldn’t be able to stand on solid ground.
    Now that I’m thinking about it, that would take a long time as well, and may leave Thor really tired out by the end of it.

    The scenario I have in mind after Vision phases into Superman, either killing him or maiming him, is this: Thor manages to destroy most of Isla Nublar, leaving it to where Flash would just have to run on the water.
    Thor sends a surge of lightning strikes down, electrifying the water around Flash.
    Yeah, the electricity would dissipate away from the strike point, but it only needs to stay at the surface anyway, since Flash would be running on it. Thor would not be aiming for him directly, but just at the body of water.

    You know, thinking about this scenario, it seems rather implausible, actually. Thor would most likely tire out before leaving the island in such a state that Flash wouldn’t be able to run on it. Even after all that, he may not have the strength to send a surge of lightning down across the body of water.

    I guess, this match would just end with Thor and Vision eventually tiring out after Flash. There is one more thing I could try though.
    Is current incarnation Flash arrogant? Or at the very least, is he capable of making a fatal mistake, like attempting to punch Thor or Vision? That’s the last thing I can think of.

  46. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 30, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #46

    “Oh wait, we actually see him knocked out?”

    He floats in the water, seemed pretty knocked out to me.
    =
    Like I said, I won’t argue the points since I already agree Supes and Flash win this for Team 1.
    =
    “I didn’t see anything worthwhile in the third. Time Stamp?”

    All four should be time stamped. Ice valley being destroyed, bridge being destroyed, area of the forest being leveled, and shaking the school/library grounds.
    =
    “Would Vision’s phasing power be based in terms of speed, or just something part of him and his body?”

    I’d assume in terms of speed since he’d have to react to something in order to know to phase through it or trap it inside him.
    =
    “make it to where Flash wouldn’t be able to stand on solid ground.”

    Flash can run on water.
    =
    “Now that I’m thinking about it, that would take a long time as well, and may leave Thor really tired out by the end of it.”

    If him and Vision did manage to beat Supes, somehow, I doubt he could hit hard enough to do those feats he performs in the movies.
    =
    “I guess, this match would just end with Thor and Vision eventually tiring out after Flash.”

    I don’t see either of them getting passed Supes though.

  47. Rorschach July 30, 2015 at 12:46 pm -      #47

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets
    “I’d assume in terms of speed since he’d have to react to something in order to know to phase through it or trap it inside him.”
    Well, I guess that makes sense. Would it be too much to say he could activate the phasing ability before Supes gets to him? Like, after the first hit, Vision activates the ability, so that by the next time Supes makes contact again, the attack is phased.
    Wouldn’t Vision’s vibranium body give him a bit more durability? As in, he could take a hit from Supes, then activate the ability before the next time he is hit by Supes? Or does it only activate when Vision makes contact?
    If that’s the case, if Vision can’t activate his phasing ability fast enough to get Supes (and possibly Flash on the off chance he decides to punch Vision), I can’t see them getting passed Supes either, and will concede.

  48. Shadow-Knight July 30, 2015 at 1:08 pm -      #48

    @Bullets

    “Flash can run on water.”

    True; however, it would force him to keep running. If he were to stop for any reason he would fall into the ocean.

    @Thread

    What here to happen if Thor put his hammer on someone? He does it often enough in the MCU to pin enemies to the ground. If he drops his hammer on Superman could it, in theory, pin him to the ground and open him up for a pounding?

    Also, if Thor throws it, anyone attempting to catch or redirect it would be caught off guard by getting pulled along with it. (similar to what happened when quick silver tried it in age of ultron.) If Flash tried to catch it, it would trip him up something fierce.

  49. Aelfinn July 30, 2015 at 1:54 pm -      #49

    Since when is Thor city-busting? He didn’t actually destroy that city in Age of Ultron, ya know. They said in the movie that the city was being held together using the magnetism of vibranium…or something. Thor destroyed the device creating this effect, which caused the city to instantly fall apart.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield#Calculating_yields_and_controversy
    The airburst comprises 50% of the energy in a nuclear bomb.

    Also, Zod and Superman were creating shockwaves with every single one of their punches. That would imply two things:
    1) Energy = Hella
    2) Speed = Hella (honestly though it kind of implies their punches were supersonic)

  50. Nsl98 July 30, 2015 at 2:21 pm -      #50

    he literally just twitched his arm and it sent Thor flying.

    Eh got me there. Pretty sure it was meant to be comedic though.

    And background info from the MCU comics shows that Thor was weakened during Avengers 1. Just throwing it out there.

  51. sadot06 July 30, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #51

    Didn’t see this posted yet, but Batfleck does have a few feats in the new trailer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y


    As for the Flash and airborne opponents :

  52. TrialofFire July 30, 2015 at 6:36 pm -      #52

    “To rephrase this, Supes average blows are a lot harder than Thor’s, but Supes also hasn’t really had as many one hit finishers as Thor has. Thor’s higher end blows look to be more impressive than Supes higher end(like I said, his higher end ones were also caused by Zod and him colliding).”

    Supes has only had 1 movie so far, whereas Thor has been in five, whee he fought armies of much less powerful does that he could oneshot. In Superman’s one movie, all he fought was 3 Kryptonians, who were (almost) as strong as him and better trained. So it’s only natural that Supes wouldn’t have as many 1 hit finishers as Thor.

  53. Epicazeroth July 30, 2015 at 6:42 pm -      #53

    First of all, WTF is Batffleck doing here? Also, usually the point of team matches is that everybody has a counterpart. This is not the case here. I know this has already been said, but still. Maybe replace Batman or Arrow with Supergirl when it comes out.
    ===
    @Nsl: Which comic is that?
    ===
    @sadot: That requires Barry to have something to run on.
    ===
    @CH1C: That lightning wasn’t natural. It was Blackout’s the first time, then Weather Wizard’s.
    ===
    Although, Barry did outrun a nuclear blast. Or, he fell just short of outrunning it.

    Also, that last few minutes of the finale was hilarious. “6.7 TeV” lol.

  54. Nsl98 July 30, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #54

    @Epic
    Dark World Prelude. 2:36:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=pO-CVfx3TPg

  55. Ninja Lowk July 30, 2015 at 7:38 pm -      #55

    “That lightning wasn’t natural. It was Blackout’s the first time, then Weather Wizard’s.”

    WWizards was natural lightning. His power includes weather control
    41.media.tumblr.com/b7f6d5ee08062df4d4d2bcf173b444b0/tumblr_inline_nmro7odKoW1sfco34_1280.png
    and the bolt wasn’t generated from him but from the sky.

  56. AbsoluteZero July 30, 2015 at 7:55 pm -      #56

    “What here to happen if Thor put his hammer on someone? He does it often enough in the MCU to pin enemies to the ground. If he drops his hammer on Superman could it, in theory, pin him to the ground and open him up for a pounding?”

    ..in theory. The other possibility is that Superman can lift it. Granted, that’s especially hard to say with MoS Superman.

  57. Shadow-Knight July 30, 2015 at 8:19 pm -      #57

    @AbsoluteZ.
    ” ..in theory. The other possibility is that Superman can lift it. Granted, that’s especially hard to say with MoS Superman.”

    The point still stands though. If it were comic supes that would be one thing, but MoS Supes doesn’t have enough screen time to judge if he is worthy or not. As far as this match is concerned, the only ones who have shown to be worthy are on the same side. So “putting the hammer down” to pin someone is a viable strategy

  58. TrialofFire July 31, 2015 at 1:10 am -      #58

    ‘So “putting the hammer down” to pin someone is a viable strategy.’

    For that to work on Supes, he’d have to manhandle him into a favorable position. Presumably on the ground, which isn’t exactly how Supes fights. Plus I haven’t seen every Thor movie, but I haven’t noticed Thor having enough reaction time to deal with how fast Supes can move, even on the ground. Can someone clarify this?

    There was also the scene where Supes held up that giant oil platform, but I’m not sure where that puts him for strength.

    How effective would Barry’s super-speed-punch-thingy (I can’t remember the name) be on Thor and Vision?

    Sorry for no links for feats, but I’m on mobile data, so I have to limit myself.

  59. Darth Bombad July 31, 2015 at 7:37 am -      #59

    @TrialofFire
    “How effective would Barry’s super-speed-punch-thingy (I can’t remember the name) be on Thor and Vision?”
    Well it had absolutely zero effect on Gorilla Grodd so i’d say not much at all.

    As for Flash’s top speed they say outright, very plainly, that he’s never
    done mach 2 until the last episode, they make a big deal about it.
    In fact mach 1 is still considered a big feat for him right up to his fight with Grodd.

    I know that makes his other feats weird and inconsistent, but i guess it
    simply wasn’t real lightning, or that much of a “nuclear explosion” and
    Central City must be pretty small and (ironically) centralised.
    That puts DoFP Quicksilver leagues above CW’s Flash in terms of speed.

  60. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 31, 2015 at 3:24 pm -      #60

    “Would it be too much to say he could activate the phasing ability before Supes gets to him? Like, after the first hit, Vision activates the ability, so that by the next time Supes makes contact again, the attack is phased.”

    He’d have to phase back before Supes pulled his punch back and realized he was intangible at that point.
    =
    “Wouldn’t Vision’s vibranium body give him a bit more durability?”

    I’m sure he does actually.
    =
    “As in, he could take a hit from Supes, then activate the ability before the next time he is hit by Supes? Or does it only activate when Vision makes contact?”

    We don’t really know to be honest. I’m assuming he actively controls it before and after he touches things though.
    =
    “The airburst comprises 50% of the energy in a nuclear bomb.”

    So, it’s 50% of the energy, so would that mean a 20KT bomb’s airburst is the equivalent of an entire 10KT bomb? And since they were both presumably doing about half that’d mean they were both doing 5KT each? How would that translate to one punch since that took about 5 minutes to do? Correct me if I’m wrong at any point there, cus I’m sure I’m butchering physics and science.
    =
    “So it’s only natural that Supes wouldn’t have as many 1 hit finishers as Thor.”

    True, but it’s still something we know he has more than Supes.
    =
    “Can someone clarify this?”

    No, he isn’t. I don’t recall too many speed feats besides Hulk catching an ejection seat. Which apparently go the speed of sound. The only other thing I can think of is MJOLNIR flying around without Thor’s aid, but even then that’s not a characters reaction speed. Besides Quicksilver no one is really fast enough to keep up with MoS Supes.

    I think in some of the tie in comics characters are seen catching missiles and the likes, but I’d have to check.
    =
    “How effective would Barry’s super-speed-punch-thingy (I can’t remember the name) be on Thor and Vision?”

    Not very well, he’d probably break his hand on their bodies.
    =
    “As for Flash’s top speed they say outright, very plainly, that he’s never
    done mach 2 until the last episode, they make a big deal about it.”

    Which brings up a great question that I’ve asked on here before, what overrides what, feats or canon?

    There’s always the possibility that they just don’t know about his higher end feats as well. I think Aelfinn pulled up a link that mentioned explosions being Mach 11, he casually dances around bullets which would put him near Quicksilver speeds, and there’s the two separate lightning timing events.
    =
    “That puts DoFP Quicksilver leagues above CW’s Flash in terms of speed.”

    Doesn’t change much though. MoS Supes is still going to be incredibly hard for both Thor and Vision to take down and DD and Quicksilver won’t be able to handle him.
    =
    Out of curiosity, what would be a good match for MCU and DCCU(as in anything that falls underneath those umbrellas)to take on?

  61. TrialofFire July 31, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #61

    “Well it had absolutely zero effect on Gorilla Grodd so i’d say not much at all.”

    That was because Grodd launched a telepathic attack against Barry and sent him into extreme neural pain.

    “As for Flash’s top speed they say outright, very plainly, that he’s never done mach 2 until the last episode, they make a big deal about it.
    In fact mach 1 is still considered a big feat for him right up to his fight with Grodd”

    Wouldn’t that be just his flat-out running speed? I think his reaction would be faster than that. Plus there was also that one time he time travel led without the particle collider, but he went back in time so no one knew how fast he really went then. Of course that required super emotional drive, but he doesn’t like seeing people get killed, so would Ollie/Supes/Batfleck in danger be enough to trigger that?

  62. Epicazeroth July 31, 2015 at 5:14 pm -      #62

    @CH1C: “I think Aelfinn pulled up a link that mentioned explosions being Mach 11, he casually dances around bullets which would put him near Quicksilver speeds, and there’s the two separate lightning timing events.”
    1) To be fair, it wasn’t a “real” explosion. It was from Firestorm, so it could very well have been much slower.
    2) He does not “casually dance around” bullets. He has exactly two bullet feats.
    3) As I said. It’s lightning generated by metahumans. Not “real” lightning.
    ===
    @Trial: “That was because Grodd launched a telepathic attack against Barry and sent him into extreme neural pain.”
    Source?

  63. TrialofFire July 31, 2015 at 6:21 pm -      #63

    @Epicazeroth
    “Source?”

    Nevermind, he was still wearing his mental shield device Cisco fashioned for him. That got knocked off after. Though according to the Flarrowverse wiki, Grodd caught Barry’s punch due to “His sheer size and strength.” (Although that fight was quite PIS-ridden, if you ask me, there’s no way Grodd should have caught that, unless his telepathy allowed him to sense Barry coming at him)
    Link: arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Grodd

    Barry’s super punch also did work against the metal man in Episode 6, where he could transmute himself into metal, when Barry only had to hit mach 1.1. Barry knocked the guy right out of his metal form, then incapacitated him with a punch. Wpuld he be able to do that to Vision?

  64. Ninja Lowk July 31, 2015 at 6:43 pm -      #64

    “He does not “casually dance around” bullets. He has exactly two bullet feats.”

    He also blocked deadshot’s bullet with Captian B’s boomarang but more impressively is this thing.
    He races across town, saves some people about to get shot takes down the criminals and gets back before the the report can say were taken and Joe realized he was gone.
    i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd485/infamousColeMacgrath/DC/The20Flash20-20Season20Zero202014-20020-003_zpsqphu6eua.jpg
    i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd485/infamousColeMacgrath/DC/The20Flash20-20Season20Zero202014-20020-004_zpseatopmmt.jpg
    i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd485/infamousColeMacgrath/DC/The20Flash20-20Season20Zero202014-20020-005_zpsrfqqzqxs.jpg
    ===
    3) As I said. It’s lightning generated by metahumans. Not “real” lightning.”

    Weather Wizard didn’t generate lightning that time; it didn’t come from him. He manipulated weather to create atmospheric lightning from the clouds.

  65. Darth Bombad July 31, 2015 at 7:16 pm -      #65

    @TrialofFire
    “Wpuld he be able to do that to Vision?”

    Again it’s doubtful, Girder doesn’t have very impressive feats as far as i know.
    So i seriously doubt he’s on Vision or Thor’s level of durability.
    And the supersonic punch takes 5.3 miles of straight flat ground to perform.

  66. Shadow-Knight July 31, 2015 at 7:16 pm -      #66

    ” Barry’s super punch also did work against the metal man in Episode 6, where he could transmute himself into metal, when Barry only had to hit mach 1.1. Barry knocked the guy right out of his metal form, then incapacitated him with a punch. Wpuld he be able to do that to Vision?”

    If your asking if he could punch the vibranium out of Vision….no, he can not. Unlike Metal man, Vision didn’t turn on the metal,he is made of it down to his cells. So it would be like trying to punch the spider powers out of spiderman

  67. TrialofFire July 31, 2015 at 8:48 pm -      #67

    “If your asking if he could punch the vibranium out of Vision….no, he can not. Unlike Metal man, Vision didn’t turn on the metal,he is made of it down to his cells. So it would be like trying to punch the spider powers out of spiderman”

    That was a figure of speech. From what I could gather, it required a certain amount of concentration for him to maintain his transmutation, Much like what I assume Vision has to go through to maintain his forms. What Barry did was not >punch the metal out of him,

    "And the supersonic punch takes 5.3 miles of straight flat ground to perform."

    That was when mach 1.1 was Barry's fastest speed. We know that Barry has broken mach 2, so his punch could be nearly twice as strong (possibly)

  68. sadot06 July 31, 2015 at 10:36 pm -      #68

    How fast do you have to go to reverse a planet threatening singularity?

  69. Aelfinn July 31, 2015 at 11:03 pm -      #69

    “How fast do you have to go to reverse a planet threatening singularity?”

    All the speed. All of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has to go relativistic, or if that’s even a feat physics allows in the slightest.

  70. Ninja Lowk July 31, 2015 at 11:24 pm -      #70

    “How fast do you have to go to reverse a planet threatening singularity?”

    Somewhere between really really fast and Christopher Reeves turns back time.
    I think that might be one of those things where we just say ‘cuz speed force’… Has speedforce been introduced yet?

  71. TrialofFire July 31, 2015 at 11:55 pm -      #71

    “Has speedforce been introduced yet?”

    I’m the last few minutes of the season, Cisco says “May the Speedforce be with you,” so if it hasn’t been introduced (besides the fact that Barry probably uses the Speedforce to travel back in time the first time), they at least hint not-so-subtly at it.

  72. sadot06 August 1, 2015 at 6:45 am -      #72

    @NinjaLowk

    Yes. Reverse Flash talks about the speedforce multiple times. He doesn’t mention it to Barry of course, but it’s part of his personal monologue. He helps Barry tap into it in order to go faster. I think when Barry’s eyes flash lightening is when he taps into it. That’s what happened when he ran back in time while stopping the tidal wave and at the end of the season when he attempted to reverse the singularity.

  73. TrialofFire August 1, 2015 at 1:56 pm -      #73

    @sadot06
    Yeah, I don’t think Barry is aware of it yet; but he has definitely accessed it subconsciously.

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