Wrath of Lord Beerus

Wrath of Lord Beerus

Suggested by Sauroposeidon

Beerus the Destroyer of Worlds (DBZ) goes on rampage!

These are the planets he’s going to go after, each world is only given 30 minutes prep time.. can any of these worlds, with their combined forces, friend and foe alike, stop him?

Earth – Robotech

Planet 9 – Knights of Sidonia

Earth – Star Trek

Coruscant – Star Wars

Holy Terra – Warhammer 40,000

Balmar – Super Robot Wars

Earth One – DC Comics

How far he can go?

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222 Comments on "Wrath of Lord Beerus"

  1. Amm0vamp1r3 July 25, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #1

    Pretty sure he doesn’t survive DC comics

  2. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 12:06 am -      #2

    Can Beerus widstand time stops? What about having his soul sucked out of his body? The emperor showed his capability of doing this in the Inquisition Wars novel series.

  3. Aelfinn July 25, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #3

    Hmm, Star Trek has a habit of tracking and attacking FTL objects, and it’s possible they have the firepower to kill him (depending on just what calcs you use for either of them). However, I don’t think there’s anything stopping them from transporting him and either killing him in the computer or just letting him sit there as 0’s and 1’s.

    Star Wars should have the firepower (assuming Legends Canon) to hurt him eventually, but even if Beerus isn’t FTL, he’s likely pretty fast, and I don’t know if SW has a way of stopping that.

    Isn’t Supes de-powered in DC for the moment? Instead of him punching Beerus’ head off, maybe this time it’s the Martian Manhunter or Wonder Woman. If they get him to land on the planet, the Flash could also punch his head off.

    Not too sure about the others, but from what I know of Robotech…it ain’t looking too pretty.

  4. Commander Cross July 25, 2015 at 12:24 am -      #4

    The Heavy-Weights and/or Final Bosses Ze Balmar Empire offers HAX-STORMS and/or BRAIN-WASHES Bills and uses Bills as their new WMD.
    Eventually at least.
    I’m surprised The Jurai Empire wasn’t noted either, they either have Weapons or Beings that can deal with Bills and that’s without the 3 Goddesses directly interfering.

    Though to Bills’ credit at the moment, Lord Bills can decimate most if not all of Kingdom Hearts all by his lonesome at the moment, unless KH 3 wants to prove this wrong somehow.
    Yeah it’s probably for the best that KH isn’t a part of the initial onslaught there.

    So in terms of what’s concrete, most of the confirmed Heavy Opposition’s from a SRW Planet or DC Comics’ Earth-One.
    Interesting.

    A Bloodbath that’s actually FUN when it focuses on just one person causing it alone.

    Depending on the Star Wars Era used, don’t the Star Wars forces have Battle Meditation on their side to raise the odds of getting rid of Bills alone, or at least make it easier for everyone else to do that?

  5. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 12:28 am -      #5

    Interesting match idea.
    Hmm, well he did blow up half a planet with little more than a tap of the finger- so he might have some really good firepower available when he puts him back into it.
    I believe he has official FTL stats now for movement speed too.

  6. Xornell July 25, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #6

    Everything? Like, everything?

    Stops at ST due to Q.

    Beyond that depends on if we’re using EU. If not they go down.

    40k goes down. He’ll pop Terra before they can stop him. Mayve a powerful psyker attack tho?

  7. Ninja Lowk July 25, 2015 at 12:43 am -      #7

    Well Earth one-DC and Coruscant are gone. Unless I am messing something amazing about earth one superman or coruscant.

  8. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 7:17 am -      #8

    “Everything? Like, everything?”

    No. Just that planet.

  9. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 8:29 am -      #9

    Martian Manhunter is currently dead AFAIK (although it’s HEAVILY implied that he’s going to resurrected in the same story arc).

    Superman is still depowered. So he’s a non-factor.

    I think Wraith is dead or MIA(?)

    Hal Jordan is still off world.

    That leaves Flash, Wonderwoman, Aquaman, and Shazam.
    Tbh DC might get screwed this time.

    Unless we take the JL series as the “current canon”, in which case everyone is still alive and fully powered,
    And Supes solos all the planets mentioned.

  10. Nsl98 July 25, 2015 at 8:45 am -      #10

    Which Earth 1?

    One of them is Pre Crisis (cough sneeze away solar systems cough)

    The other is a weaker Supes as it’s only defense.

  11. Ninja Lowk July 25, 2015 at 9:00 am -      #11

    “The other is a weaker Supes as it’s only defense.”

    And the teen titans. Also maybe wonder woman.

  12. Nsl98 July 25, 2015 at 9:05 am -      #12

    @Lowk
    Also maybe wonder woman.

    I actually like that idea. What with Beerus’ new feats in Super, that has potential to be a good matchup… if she was N52.

    Did Earth 1 WW do anything impressive? I only read the Superman one and part of Batman.

  13. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 9:21 am -      #13

    “And Supes solos all the planets mentioned.”

    That awkward moment where someone suggests that a paragon of good is going to turn on his allies and murder countless billions because.. reasons..

    Rag, sometimes I think you really shouldn’t be allowed around children.

    “Which Earth 1?”

    Whatever current New 52 is. Even with a depowered supes there’s enough fire power there to be a major threat to Beerus. I stacked them in ascending order of who could muster the most defenses fastest. DC was intended to be a road block with Beerus being the under dog in that fight.

    “I’m surprised The Jurai Empire wasn’t noted either”

    It was considered, but there’s already enough here to discuss. Overly complicated matches are boring, with no possible real end in sight.

  14. Nsl98 July 25, 2015 at 9:38 am -      #14

    @Sauro
    Current N52 Earth is called Prime Earth.

    Earth One can refer to this:
    dc.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-One

    ^That’s Pre Crisis

    Or this:
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_One_(DC_Comics_series)

  15. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 10:20 am -      #15

    @Sauro
    “That awkward moment where someone suggests that a paragon of good is going to turn on his allies and murder countless billions because.. reasons..”

    Not that he would, but he’s capable of it nonetheless.
    After putting some more thought into it though, even a full powered New52 Supes would have trouble against Beerus. (from what i’v heard about him anyways)

    “Rag, sometimes I think you really shouldn’t be allowed around children.”

    I agree.
    I despise children.
    But i also despise condoms.
    It’s quite the dilemma.

    ” DC was intended to be a road block with Beerus being the under dog in that fight.”

    Considering the current state of DC, Beerus might just pull off a win

    @Nsl
    “Current N52 Earth is called Prime Earth.”

    Pretty sure N52 earth prime is designated to be Earth 1 in the new52 multiverse.
    Either way, Sauro made it pretty clear he wants to be using Earth Prime.

  16. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 10:51 am -      #16

    So how strong is beerus’s mind? Has he ever resisted sometimes mind powers?

  17. Ninja Lowk July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am -      #17

    Well there is a multiverse map.
    Anyway, firestorm turns beerus’ clothes into food. Beerus now has to decide between destroying earth or leaving the the one place that can instantly create mountians worth of earth food alone. Either way he is going to need to go home fore new clothes.

  18. Rookie July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am -      #18

    @Ragnorke

    “(from what i’v heard about him anyways)”

    Bills did this with a single finger (it was later revealed that he running around using only 1% of his powers in hope that someone somewher could provide him some challenge. He is supposed to be up to his 70% in his battle against Goku if BoG still canon):

  19. Ninja Lowk July 25, 2015 at 10:56 am -      #19

    And before I forget, John constantine hid the earth from Darkseid.

  20. Rookie July 25, 2015 at 10:57 am -      #20

    @pimpmage

    “So how strong is beerus’s mind? Has he ever resisted sometimes mind powers?”

    No. I think that he was mind controlled in Xenoverse by Demigra untill his master didn’t break mind control spell:

  21. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 11:08 am -      #21

    So the moment beerus’s shows up in the solar system of Terra, he gets his body and soul sucked out. He becomes a vegetable in space just floating around.

    I posted this quote before on a match involving the emperor before. But I dunno which one it is. Might be the 40k+Stargate vs Sw match.

  22. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 11:12 am -      #22

    “Bills did this with a single finger”

    Isn’t that a moon?
    It looks to be orbiting a much larger planetoid body in very close proximity.

    I heard somewhere that Beerus was a casual star buster.
    Can someone post that?

  23. Rookie July 25, 2015 at 11:24 am -      #23

    @Ragnorke

    “Can someone post that?”

    No one in DBZ ever busted star on screen AFAIK.

  24. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 11:33 am -      #24

    @Pimp
    “So the moment beerus’s shows up in the solar system of Terra, he gets his body and soul sucked out. He becomes a vegetable in space just floating around.”

    Isn’t Beerus fast… and capable of teleporting…?

  25. Xornell July 25, 2015 at 11:36 am -      #25

    “No. Just that planet.”

    Ohh. In that case gets to DC Earth and stops, mostly because I just don’t think conventional sci-fi weapons are doing shit here.

    “Xenoverse”

    I mean… Is that a canon source for anything though?

    “So the moment beerus’s shows up in the solar system of Terra, he gets his body and soul sucked out.”

    Because psykers have done this to a single being in a fraction of a second? Ever? It’s all he needs to pop Terra like a zit. He doesn’t even need to use energy projection. He can just fling himself at the Terra and let the momentum of his body destroy it (end of BoG movie).

    “I posted this quote before on a match involving the emperor before.”

    Emperor is currently a maggot playground with so little psychic presence he needs a few thousand psykers to feed him every day so his mind doesn’t collapse. He’s not doing diddly here.

    “I heard somewhere that Beerus was a casual star buster.
    Can someone post that?”

    Only through character statements, afaik.

  26. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 11:41 am -      #26

    “Because psykers have done this to a single being in a fraction of a second? Ever? It’s all he needs to pop Terra like a zit.”

    You have been gone awhile. You must have forgotten to read what people have already posted.

    “Emperor is currently a maggot playground with so little psychic presence he needs a few thousand psykers to feed him every day so his mind doesn’t collapse. He’s not doing diddly here.”

    You know diddly about the current state and capabilities of the emperor then.

  27. Xornell July 25, 2015 at 11:47 am -      #27

    “You have been gone awhile. You must have forgotten to read what people have already posted.”

    Enlighten me.

    “You know diddly about the current state and capabilities of the emperor then.”

    This may very well be true. But I have some serious doubts the Emprah went through many changes in the few months I’ve been out of the 40k lore loop.

  28. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 11:53 am -      #28

    I mean… Is that a canon source for anything though?

    Alternate timeline and universe so I don’t think so- then again, Bills and Whis are high enough tier that they actually know about multiple universes so it *could* be canon.

    No. I think that he was mind controlled in Xenoverse by Demigra untill his master didn’t break mind control spell:

    Also, Bills isn’t controlled at all in Xenoverse; he brushes off the mind control like it’s nothing and says something like, “You think that’s going to work on me?”
    It was a ploy to get Demigra to appear, I can play the mission and screencap the line if we really need to go there.

    I heard somewhere that Beerus was a casual star buster.
    Can someone post that?


    Here:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39875/4494043-6858920508-bKoa4.jpg

  29. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 25, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #29

    “Can Beerus widstand time stops? What about having his soul sucked out of his body?”

    DB in general tends to stay away from hax things, so probably not. There was one character who could stop time I believe, but he’s been long dead. Don’t think anyone has ever been soul sucked before though. Maybe with Fortuneteller Baba they had something along those lines…?
    =
    “So how strong is beerus’s mind? Has he ever resisted sometimes mind powers?”

    Again no to both.
    =
    “Bills did this with a single finger (it was later revealed that he running around using only 1% of his powers in hope that someone somewher could provide him some challenge.”

    Where’s this 1% coming from?
    =
    “No. I think that he was mind controlled in Xenoverse by Demigra untill his master didn’t break mind control spell:”

    Is that even canon?
    =
    “Isn’t that a moon?”

    It’s called a planet by Bills and the people on it. ]
    =
    Side note, what’s your take on that scene where they appear far away from that planet? Did they fly, teleport, or use warp to avoid the explosion?
    =
    “I heard somewhere that Beerus was a casual star buster.”

    The only reference we’ve had so far is the trailer. a guidebook, RoF manga, and RoF movie. I don’t particularly like using guidebooks and kinda have to agree with Xornell now that trailers aren’t the best source. The only other two references we have are going to be retconned(they’re also statements that it had happened, so some might have issue). DBZ:BotG already is and DBZ:RoF is going to be. BUT I’ll post it anyways:

    www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball-z-rebirth-of-f/2/15

    www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball-z-rebirth-of-f/2/16

    Blocks multiple quick punches, dodges some lightning, redirects an attack back to the sender, destroys a planet with a small amount of ki.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlTvaYaicnI
    =
    O, and depending on whether you go by the manga or the anime, that planet busting scene looks a little different:

    www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball-super/1/12

    www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball-super/1/13

    With Bills doing something similar, but instead of getting away from the explosion him and Whis just tank it and thy blow up the whole planet.

  30. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 25, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #30

    “Isn’t Beerus fast… and capable of teleporting…?”

    Yes to the first, and he doesn’t have a provable form of teleporting. I’ve had a very tedious arguement with KL over this, don’t feel like starting that back up…
    =
    “He can just fling himself at the Terra and let the momentum of his body destroy it (end of BoG movie).”

    There’s been some disagreement with that scene. I see it that way, others don’t.
    =
    “Also, Bills isn’t controlled at all in Xenoverse; he brushes off the mind control like it’s nothing and says something like, “You think that’s going to work on me?”
    It was a ploy to get Demigra to appear, I can play the mission and screencap the line if we really need to go there.”

    Other mindcontrol feats for Demigra? Don’t think it’ll go there, but I’d have it ready just in case.
    =
    “Here:”

    Ninja’d…. :/

  31. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #31

    “Enlighten me”

    In the first book of the Inquisition Wars omnibus starring Inquisitor Jaq Draco, Jaq snuck onto terra, spent years sneaking secretly through the palace of Terra to speak with the emperor. During this, you later find out that a fragment of the emperors soul was bending time and space to allow Jaq to safely make it to the throne room. When he arrived, the emperor stopped time (presumably just in segment solar) so Jaq could safely talk with him without any guards killing him on sight. The emperor then basically strips jaq’s soul bare and analyzes his mind. During that, jaq was just a body in a vegetative state. The emperor then recreates jaqs mind and puts it back into his body. We then learn that the emperor split his soul into thousands of fragments. Each capable of watching over the galaxy and helping where needed. Some of those fragments are specifically dedicated for tasks like meeting and speaking with the high lords of terra. Just for that meeting, the emperor spared like 4 fragments that were all confusingly talking over eachother to communicate with jaq.

  32. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm -      #32

    Other mindcontrol feats for Demigra? Don’t think it’ll go there, but I’d have it ready just in case.

    Controlling people while trapped in another dimension.
    Controlling people when removed from time.
    Controlling people of significant power like:
    100% Final Form Frieza, Super Perfect Cell, Super Buu, Kid Buu, Broly, Super 17, Eis Shenron, Nuova Shenron, and Omega Shenron
    and Heroes like Vegeta, Piccolo, Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks, GT Trunks, and even Future Trunks.

    Only people he can’t control are those with Godly Ki (Whis, Bills, Supreme Kai of Time) and those who have reached Super Saiyan God Form (Goku, and I guess now Vegeta too)

  33. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets July 25, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #33

    “Controlling people while trapped in another dimension.
    Controlling people when removed from time.”

    Huh, impressive.
    =
    “Controlling people of significant power like:
    100% Final Form Frieza, Super Perfect Cell, Super Buu, Kid Buu, Broly, Super 17, Eis Shenron, Nuova Shenron, and Omega Shenron
    and Heroes like Vegeta, Piccolo, Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks, GT Trunks, and even Future Trunks.”

    They might be powerful, but do they really have any feats against mindcontrol? And was it all of them at once from different dimensions and times? How many has he controlled?
    =
    “Only people he can’t control are those with Godly Ki (Whis, Bills, Supreme Kai of Time) and those who have reached Super Saiyan God Form (Goku, and I guess now Vegeta too)”

    Not to try to take away from the feat, but that makes it sound like he just can’t control people with godly ki, not because they have good resistance to mindrape.

  34. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 12:31 pm -      #34

    They might be powerful, but do they really have any feats against mindcontrol?

    In DBZ (as I understand it) mind control is based on power levels. If you’re stronger you can resist it.

    And was it all of them at once from different dimensions and times?

    I…. don’t know, it’s an entire game based around time travel and hopping in and out of different timelines.
    So yeah, no idea whatsoever about the “time” of that. For most of the game Demigura is trapped in a dimension that is removed from time entirely.

    Not to try to take away from the feat, but that makes it sound like he just can’t control people with godly ki, not because they have good resistance to mindrape.

    The argument could be made that “godly” ki is just really strong ki held by gods. Demigura certainly didn’t know he couldn’t control Beerus, and Beerus did say he felt the attempts.
    Eh, I can see that argument going either way.

  35. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 1:06 pm -      #35

    Any concensus of the possibly of beers getting mind raped?

  36. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #36

    “Pretty sure N52 earth prime is designated to be Earth 1 in the new52 multiverse.
    Either way, Sauro made it pretty clear he wants to be using Earth Prime.”

    I did a little research just to make sure I got the name right. A few sources indicated that Earth One is the name. I did indeed want this to be New 52.

  37. Kitten Lord July 25, 2015 at 3:00 pm -      #37

    Not sure who the first two are but the rest should not have any trouble.

  38. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 3:05 pm -      #38

    “Not sure who the first two are but the rest should not have any trouble.”

    Street level Superman,
    No experienced green lanterns on planet,
    Martian Manhunter dead,
    Wraith MIA/dead,
    Captain Atom MIA/dead,
    Firestorm isn’t too impressive in the N52,
    Shazam isn’t too impressive in the N52,
    Flash isn’t too impressive in the N52,

    Can Wonderwoman & Aquaman really take on a high tier DBZ character? (serious question)
    I’m pretty sure their weapons will be effective enough to pierce Beerus. Considering they stabbed through Darkseid no problem.
    Are they fast enough though?

  39. Nsl98 July 25, 2015 at 3:05 pm -      #39

    @Rag and Sauro
    Mmm, ok.

    What else does DC have besides Constantine’s planet hiding?

  40. Kitten Lord July 25, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #40

    @Rag

    “Are they fast enough though?”

    Easily, DBZ speed is overhyped. There are only a couple of showings of speed, one puts Roshi and if you like power scaling anyone who can leave him in the dust at least bullet timing, as in cathing bullets.

    And then there is Beerus’ actual feat from BoG, which puts him at subsonic fighting speed.

    I am pretty sure a group of super heroes can gang up on him unless he busts the planet off the bat which tbh is not in his character.

  41. Rookie July 25, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #41

    @Ragnorke

    “Captain Atom”

    How did he die? Does he evolved himself to death?

    “I’m pretty sure their weapons will be effective enough to pierce Beerus. Considering they stabbed through Darkseid no problem.”

    New-52 avatar of Darkseid is still at casual planetbusting level and not above, right?

  42. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #42

    Are they fast enough though?

    Bills would seem to have FTL feats now; not really surprising since his literal job is to go around destroying planets and stars.

    Bare minimum he was able to school Gotenks no problem, and Gotenks is the kid who flew around the Earth a few dozen times to show off his speed.

  43. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 3:28 pm -      #43

    @Friendly & KL
    “Bare minimum he was able to school Gotenks no problem, and Gotenks is the kid who flew around the Earth a few dozen times to show off his speed.”

    “Easily, DBZ speed is overhyped. There are only a couple of showings of speed, one puts Roshi and if you like power scaling anyone who can leave him in the dust at least bullet timing, as in cathing bullets.”

    Well… One of you two is obviously incorrect…
    Care to post the flights around earth feat?

    @Rookie
    “New-52 avatar of Darkseid is still at casual planetbusting level and not above, right?”

    We don’t really know how far his strength goes yet.
    Darkseid & Highfather destroyed a planet with the aftershock of their hits (which were targeted at each other, not the surrounding),
    And that was back when they were still new to their powers.

  44. Kitten Lord July 25, 2015 at 3:31 pm -      #44

    @Rag

    Ill let Friendly post the fight between him and beerus, it was not at that speed, ill spoil it for you right now.

    You can see his actual speed in relation to the Earth when hes coming back down clearer.

    Ok I ied, here is Beerus vs the whole of the DBZ cast;

    Note he picks some wooden chopsticks off the table and he can manipulate their force with said chopsticks.

  45. Ragnorke July 25, 2015 at 3:33 pm -      #45

    “Ill let Friendly post the fight between him and beerus, it was not at that speed, ill spoil it for you right now.”

    Do we have any frame of reference?
    Because “time is relative” and blah blah blah,

    As in, could it have just been slowed down for viewing purposes?

  46. Rookie July 25, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #46

    @Ragnorke

    “We don’t really know how far his strength goes yet.
    Darkseid & Highfather destroyed a planet with the aftershock of their hits (which were targeted at each other, not the surrounding),
    And that was back when they were still new to their powers.”

    Darkseid avatar is supposed to take on Anti-Monitor. I wonder how it will play out, although New 52 AM is not as impressive as his previous versions. He even came to battle against Darkseid without any plan. He just sorta came to Earth with his armies and now waits for DS. Which is sad, I hoped for something more. Instead we got Bat-God.

    @Ragnorke

    “Do we have any frame of reference?
    Because “time is relative” and blah blah blah,

    As in, could it have just been slowed down for viewing purposes?”

    Here some speed info for Bills: forums.spacebattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-super-feats-thread.346762/

  47. Kitten Lord July 25, 2015 at 3:37 pm -      #47

    @rag

    “Do we have any frame of reference?”

    Friendly would argue it is, but there is no frame of reference. Basically, water, rocks, debris, even the movement of Gotenks shorts when hes being smacked look all about normal time to me. Same with people falling.

  48. Aelfinn July 25, 2015 at 3:55 pm -      #48

    I thought the Flash was FTL, at least. A nuke goes off in the middle of a battlefield, and he has to save everyone from the radiation, ergo, FTL.

  49. Ninja Lowk July 25, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #49

    “No experienced green lanterns on planet,”

    Isn’t Gardner still on earth with Simon?

  50. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 4:04 pm -      #50

    Well… One of you two is obviously incorrect…

    You’re not wrong 😀
    Kitten for some reason believes that since Beerus and Goku were moving slow for one portion of the fight, literally the entire DBZ-verse must also go that slow- despite multiple cases of evidence presented otherwise. Like Gotenks flying around the Earth, Roshi catching bullets, Goku flying halfway around a planet, Snake Way, and so on.

    Friendly would argue it is

    Of course I would, we have far greater feats for everyone in that film- but you for some reason believe you can negate the entire DB and DBZ universe by a portion of a fight that isn’t even remaining canon since they’re retconning it.
    They even go out of their way to have Roshi state he still can’t follow Goku and Beerus fighting in that same movie- Roshi being a guy who can catch bullets.

    @Rag
    Since the whole, “Going so fast they’re invisible” thing is a trope that is impossible, would it be so wrong to say they have to at least be going faster than bullets?
    Most of the cast are bullet-timers, including Master Roshi. Roshi can’t follow them when they start fighting, so they must be going faster than bullets.
    Does this line of thinking make sense to you?

  51. Kitten Lord July 25, 2015 at 5:57 pm -      #51

    @Friendly

    “despite multiple cases of evidence presented otherwise”

    You cited Gotenks as a one off for the series, outside of the atmosphere which reduces the feat. Bullet timing, which is not on the level of DC and then you mentioned the main reason why most of those feats are rubbish;

    “Goku flying halfway around a planet, Snake Way, and so on.”

    Two falsehoods. Filled with assumptions and no proof. I never did find out how big that planet was he flew around, and when I asked again and again you stuttered how its fine and dandy to just assume its as big as Earth which even other people shot you down on.

    So you essentially have a couple of feats, not applicable to Beerus……

    I have one feat, heavily applicable to Beerus.

    “isn’t even remaining canon since they’re retconning it.”

    Proof?

    “They even go out of their way to have Roshi state he still can’t follow Goku and Beerus fighting in that same movie- Roshi being a guy who can catch bullets.”

    Of course not, like I pointed out to you. Their flying Mach 2 at about that time in the fight. And are going in and out of cloud cover at extended ranges.

    No way could a man see that…

  52. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 6:14 pm -      #52

    So is there a concensus on what beerus is capable of doing in this match so far?

  53. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 6:27 pm -      #53

    So is there a concensus on what beerus is capable of doing in this match so far?

    In a general fashion he should probably be-
    FTL movement speed, likely supersonic to hypersonic combat speed, and casual planetbuster and claimed starbuster pretty much sum it up.
    Starbuster seems pretty fair since it was literally only brought up so Whis could drop the “Oh yeah, I can turn back time” bomb.

    If you meant by planets I have little idea for most, Star Wars is getting popped for sure unless the Emperor can pop up a Force Storm immediately before Beerus blows up his planet.
    DC looks like they may be shorthanded at the moment.
    And Terra seems to be hinging on the mind-rape thing.

  54. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 7:03 pm -      #54

    @Lowk
    Garnder the Christmas Lantern is in another time period/universe with John Stewart and some other Lanterns.

  55. hellboy147 July 25, 2015 at 8:21 pm -      #55

    “Two falsehoods. Filled with assumptions and no proof.”
    _
    Like your arguments about Kain are full of assumptions and proof.
    _

    Anyways, isn’t Beerus destroyed the planet with a tip of his finger? I see him wrecking all of the universes, and even a good amount of Dc universe aswell.

  56. Ellie Williams July 25, 2015 at 8:30 pm -      #56

    Can we just ignore Kitten Lord when it comes to Dragon Ball? He downplays it so much, that he thinks a street leveler can beat a solar system buster.

  57. hellboy147 July 25, 2015 at 8:32 pm -      #57

    www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball-z-rebirth-of-f/2/16
    _
    Destroyed two stars in a single attack.

  58. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 8:47 pm -      #58

    Question for OP-
    That 30 minutes of prep, what does that entail? Are they just getting a:
    “Something evil this way comes” sort of thing and then relying on sensors?
    or do they know exactly where and when Beerus is going to show up?

  59. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 9:03 pm -      #59

    They are informed Beerus is coming. They are shown footage of him attacking and destroying planets/their defenses. They have basic knowledge of him and know what he looks like. They are told they have half an hour before he will make his move. From there they can do as they will. Such as Star Wars ordering the Imperial fleet to return to Coruscant. Or Star Trek setting up a Technobabble trick while lining up what starfleet has in the area to try to slow him down. Or SRW deploying their elite defenses like the Septuagint. Or Sidonia prepping all of its planet destroying missiles and getting them in flight while the Gauna move in to rendezvous for a joint attack on Beerus. Whatever strategy best works to try and defeat Beerus for each of them.

  60. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 9:14 pm -      #60

    So basically the equivalent of a herald of Galactus (minus the nigh unstopable super soldier of cosmic power part) showing up and saying the destroyer of worlds is coming to wreck your shit. Seem’s reasonable.

  61. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #61

    Yup!

  62. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #62

    Thaat….that gives me an idea for a potential scenario…just needs a planet they both don’t curbstomp but that doesn’t curbstomp them..

  63. hellboy147 July 25, 2015 at 9:43 pm -      #63

    Beerus is a legimate Badass!
    _
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111201000/4668138-beerus+destroys+planet+with+a+poke.gif

  64. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #64

    I think a lot of this depends on how Beerus typically goes around destroying planets. I haven’t watched Super
    (or any “real” DBZ for that matter, only abridged- though I may start Z Kai just because they appear here so often)
    but doesn’t Beerus typically fly to a planet and talk to the people there first? And he can even be talked out of destroying planets if he likes you/you bribe him with good food. Which leads to two problems (for me at least)

    Do we go with:
    Beerus SOP, which is to show up and have a chat? Possibly able to be talked out of it?
    Or something that I don’t believe we’ve seen, which is Beerus just flying around determined to destroy a planet with no recourse?

    The former opens up an interesting avenue of ideas, the latter… wouldn’t Beerus just nuke their shit with Ki Blasts? Seems sort of… flat.

  65. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 9:59 pm -      #65

    Beerus is unhappy and can not be talked out of destroying these planets. Although he can perhaps be stalled, you are more likely to buy time with suicide tactics to distract him than just with negotiating. He’s on a rampage, after all.

  66. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 10:01 pm -      #66

    Well, Star Trek, Star Wars, and DC might be willing to talk, or at least some factions may try to negotiate a peaceful solution Wonder Woman may try to talk him down god to god…then the military does something stupid to piss Beerus off leading to a godly smackdown between the two. Trek…err what era is this that may make a difference.
    Star Wars, Legends or Disney and what period?

    Warhammer will shoot on sight even without the warning, and even if they know he’s a reasonable guy because he’s not a human so thus they have to be douchebags towards him with no other option for their mentality. Doesn’t matter what time period unless its before the GEoM showed up

    Edit: oh pissed Beerus, well Wondy will probably still try and talk to him god to god, it just won’t require the military being douchebags for Beerus and her to throw down.

  67. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 10:13 pm -      #67

    Lets talk about Beerus’s CiS. If a 40k ship fired a torpedo at him, would he punch it? Dodge it? Or tank it?

    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vortex_torpedo

  68. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 10:40 pm -      #68

    dodge or blast it, and the ship behind it, and the planet behind that. or possibly both. His reaction to the pig boys pulling out primitive weapons was nuke the shit out of them….granted he was already going to do that, but he’s already going to do it here anyway.

  69. Friendlysociopath July 25, 2015 at 10:42 pm -      #69

    If a 40k ship fired a torpedo at him, would he punch it? Dodge it? Or tank it?

    We can’t be sure until Beerus actually goes against something like missiles or guns- he was dodging/blocking the attacks sent against him in Battle of the Gods so he just doesn’t stand there arms wide if that’s what you’re asking.

    If he’s looking to destroy the planet above all else, I can’t see why he’d bother with the ships if he can help it. Fly past, dodge whatever comes his way, continue onwards to planet.

    On another note- can 40K ships actually target something that small going that fast? Every calc I’ve seen for Beerus speed has him going-
    well, I’ll amend that to 6.5c for the planet one. The dinosaur meat thing is different.

  70. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 11:03 pm -      #70

    @Friendly
    well if he’s utterly pissed he may want to vaporize all the things in front of him so he might decide to blast the ships and destroy all the things. Guess it kind of depends on exactly the level of pissed he is. But considering his anger at Goku using so much power when he wasn’t even capped out was send thousands of ki blasts in all directions…….
    He might just go vaporize all the things..although if he can star bust would he be able to just bypass Terra nuke the sun and laugh as the explosion engulfed their asses? Or is that a not allowed strategy?

  71. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 11:27 pm -      #71

    “n another note- can 40K ships actually target something that small going that fast?”

    With nova cannons, you can actually do the math to calculate how to hit something going 6.5c with something going .99c. And even with him moving 6.5c inside a solar system, he is still kinda slow.

    “if he can star bust would he be able to just bypass Terra nuke the sun and laugh as the explosion engulfed their asses? Or is that a not allowed strategy?”

    If the emperor knows this guy is coming(prep) he will either farsee where he is arriving and open a warp rift there, or just stop time the moment the match actually starts and drain body of a soul.

  72. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #72

    “If the emperor knows this guy is coming(prep) he will either farsee where he is arriving and open a warp rift there, or just stop time the moment the match actually starts and drain body of a soul.”

    You mean like he did to Horus so he didn’t get his ass handed to him like a bitch and left dying on a throne as a desicated corpse mummy?

  73. Monochrome July 25, 2015 at 11:40 pm -      #73

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11378260_712759848853586_1083240432_n.jpg That was quite a burn you left. Hope you got some carbonite nearby for them burns.

    Sorry folks I got nothing to really offer (Just decieded to reply to Jake’s post) :/ perhaps tomorrow’s match will show something I’m somewhat knowledgeable in.

  74. Sauroposeidon July 25, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #74

    Before even discussing 40k, you should probably ascertain if he can even get to it. For instance, is there anything that Robotech’s Earth could muster in half an hour to defend itself?

  75. Jake_Uzumaki July 25, 2015 at 11:48 pm -      #75

    I don’t know Robotech so I was waiting for someone to bring up some information for it, same with Planet 9.
    I’m wondering if he can get past the Super Robot Wars planet as I’ve heard crazy things about that series.

  76. pimpmage July 25, 2015 at 11:51 pm -      #76

    “You mean like he did to Horus so he didn’t get his ass handed to him like a bitch and left dying on a throne as a desicated corpse mummy?”

    Are you talking about the time freeze or the warp rift? Both can be reasonably explained.

  77. Friendlysociopath July 26, 2015 at 12:00 am -      #77

    you should probably ascertain if he can even get to it.

    Oh is that how this goes? I thought it was just a “can any of these stop him” sort of deal. Order is from top to bottom then?

    perhaps tomorrow’s match will show something I’m somewhat knowledgeable in.

    You good with Soul Eater or Fate/stay?

  78. Jake_Uzumaki July 26, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #78

    “Are you talking about the time freeze or the warp rift? Both can be reasonably explained.”

    All of the above, and if the answer is “so he could die and become a warp god” then why didn’t he even have the common sense to tell his idiot worshipers not to waste thousands upon thousands of psykers to stop him from becoming a Chaos god so he could save their dumb asses because he knew it would work.
    Maybe because he has shitty precog and couldn’t predict that 40K humanity are a bunch of superstitious dumbasses that can’t function without him because he made them dependent on him thousands of years earlier which shows further shitty precog on his part to never realize he was making them dependent?

  79. Monochrome July 26, 2015 at 12:41 am -      #79

    @Friendlysociopath

    Oh more than should be healthily allowed without having the damned Visual Novel >-

  80. pimpmage July 26, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #80

    “All of the above, and if the answer is “so he could die and become a warp god” then why ”

    Wtf are you going on ranting about? His ability to die has nothing to do with being able to stop time and cause warp rifts. He has two seperate feats for both creating warp rifts and stopping time. Are you gonna get all pissy about stuff you don’t know jack shit about like xornell?

    “Maybe because he has shitty precog and couldn’t predict that 40K humanity are a bunch of superstitious dumbasses that can’t function without him because he made them dependent on him thousands of years earlier which shows further shitty precog on his part to never realize he was making them dependent?”

    Humanity’s worship of him gives him power in the warp. The same way it works for the chaos gods. His precog told him exactly how the final fight would go down. He even mentions how it will play out years before the actual event in ‘The Outcast Dead’ book. I have absolutely no clue why you are getting pissy.

  81. Shadow-Knight July 26, 2015 at 12:49 am -      #81

    Ok, im sure this has been touched on but, doesn’t “legends” Coruscant have a planetary shield what’s to stop them from turning it on and having eu palpatine force storm Barris while the city planet sits safely in its protective bubble?

  82. Jake_Uzumaki July 26, 2015 at 12:58 am -      #82

    @Pimpmage
    I’m not, I’m just shooting your usual GEoM wank in the head before you start it.

    You said he would see Beerus coming, so I asked why he couldn’t see him getting his shit kicked in and do something to stop it.
    And if he’s doing it to become a warp god then why didn’t he tell his dumbass followers not to keep him alive.
    Seem’s pretty stupid not to have just done something to avoid it unless he can only see things not change them, in which case he’ll see Beerus arrive and kill his ass and be unable to do shit, just like he couldn’t do shit against any star busters or higher he’s faced on this site.

  83. pimpmage July 26, 2015 at 1:10 am -      #83

    “I’m not, I’m just shooting your usual GEoM wank in the head before you start it.”

    Would you like to state how I am wanking? Or do you just despise the 40k verse?

    “You said he would see Beerus coming, so I asked why he couldn’t see him getting his shit kicked in and do something to stop it.”

    Here is the timeline. Because you don’t think too deeply about this stuff.

    Match begins. The ‘universe this match exists in is created at this point in time. There is no time before the match starts. 30 mins prep time is given. That means the future can be divined in this given prep time.

    With that done, he did get his shit kicked in. But he won. He knew this confrontation would happen. And he knew his sons would be sacrificed to get him to that point. Just as the events actually played out. Sanguinius died for the emperor to win. Just as he foresaw. His current state does not matter. Only that he won or lost.

    “Seem’s pretty stupid not to have just done something to avoid it unless he can only see things not change them, in which case he’ll see Beerus arrive and kill his ass and be unable to do shit, just like he couldn’t do shit against any star busters or higher he’s faced on this site.”

    Why would he avoid the inevitable? He twists the strands of fate just as much as the chaos gods do. Those events had to happen for mankind to endure.

    Do you have any more baseless crap to spew about the 40k verse you know nothing about? I bet you only know of what gets posted on this site.

  84. Friendlysociopath July 26, 2015 at 1:30 am -      #84

    Ok, im sure this has been touched on but, doesn’t “legends” Coruscant have a planetary shield what’s to stop them from turning it on and having eu palpatine force storm Barris while the city planet sits safely in its protective bubble?

    Assuming some of the calcs from Beerus running around space to yell at Whiz are in any way correct, I don’t think he could hit Beerus with that if he tried. Pretty much anytime people fly through space they get massive FTL feats if it doesn’t take forever to get somewhere.
    Trying to iron out just how fast Beerus can go, thus far I’ve seen everything from Mach 400 to 9 digits past FTL.

  85. Jake_Uzumaki July 26, 2015 at 2:20 am -      #85

    “But he won.”

    most people don’t count being a rotting corpse a win, they count that as being a rotting corpse.

    “Would you like to state how I am wanking? ”

    Because you think the Emperor is omniscient and are the person who argued for multiple pages he didn’t get shitstomped by a universe buster.

    And if I hate 40K its because of people like you.

    “Those events had to happen for mankind to endure.”

    No it helped him to be a barely living corpse worshiped by a bunch of dumbasses dependent on him not being 100% dead just 99.99% dead. Humanity being dependent on him and scared of him ever dying isn’t them enduring its them stagnating and dying a slow painful death as they rot in their own stupidity and dependence.

    “I bet you only know of what gets posted on this site.”

    I know the stuff you’ve posted, which is always either bullshit, wank, hyperbole or a combination.

  86. Commander Cross July 26, 2015 at 2:47 am -      #86

    Balmar’s Final Bosses, if they can’t brain-wash Bills outright, they can manipulate Bills in other ways.
    Even then, they’re more powerful than Demigra if we wanna talk Scale and Scope of their powers, not that Demigra is a wuss but the Final Bosses are a hell of a LOT nastier at an overall basis.

    If nothing else, Balmar and N52’s Earth One are gonna do most of the Heavy-lifting with some support from Coruscant(depending on the SW era we’re with) and Sidonia’s Planet 9 with everyone else depending on Eras either not falling too far behind or winding up Cheerleaders, whichever happens first.

    Some of the Final Bosses can also feed on the Negatory Emotions of their allies and enemies alike, Despair especially works wonders for them as well.

    I’m sure Earth One or Robotech might have something good up their sleeves.

  87. Sauroposeidon July 26, 2015 at 7:12 am -      #87

    For the record.

    I don’t know anything about Robotech after it splits from Macross. Except that it power creeps more slowly.

    I can post stuff from Sidonia, but nothing they have is anywhere as fast as Beerus. They do have some really nice fire power feats.. and of course touching Gauna is often a bad thing to do, and they’re nigh indestructible.

    But I’m not going to argue for any given planet in this case, so until someone wants to discuss those two I suppose skipping to Star Trek is the best course of action.

    Is there anything that they can reasonably do to try and stop him? Subspace snare? Thaloron pulse? Photon mine field?

    And, Cross, it’s been a while but I don’t distinctly remember Ze Balmary Empire ever brainwashing someone that they hadn’t previously captured already.

    That being said they have the equivalent of GEoM x 10 running their planet, so.. maybe he can stop Beerus. SRW bosses certainly hit harder than DBZ characters. One hit from Kaiser Ephes would conceivably obliterate Beerus utterly and completely.. but everything he does is slow, so…

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOtQt8lD_Oo

    I guess I’ll leave the rest concerning SRW up to you, Cross.

  88. Rookie July 26, 2015 at 7:18 am -      #88

    @Sauroposeidon

    ” They do have some really nice fire power feats.. and of course touching Gauna is often a bad thing to do, and they’re nigh indestructible.”

    They are indestructable for Beerus and as shown they can develop weapons like GBE, which shot clear half of the moon. GBE can and will one shot Beerus, problem is Beerus can just bust planet and be done with it. Gauna have no interest in Beerus (they are after other sources of energy). So he clean Sidonia’s challenge, that much I am sure.

  89. Kitten Lord July 26, 2015 at 7:50 am -      #89

    @Sauro

    “, but nothing they have is anywhere as fast as Beerus”

    Really? how fast are they?

    @Rookie

    “problem is Beerus can just bust planet and be done with it.”

    As friendly said, and for once we agree. Beerus seems to go and talk to people before he busts the planet. At the very least he can be distracted by food, conversation etc.

  90. pimpmage July 26, 2015 at 7:53 am -      #90

    “most people don’t count being a rotting corpse a win, they count that as being a rotting corpse.”

    His physical shape is irrelevant. He is a perpetual.

    “Because you think the Emperor is omniscient and are the person who argued for multiple pages he didn’t get shitstomped by a universe buster.”

    Are you talking about galactus? GEoM is a perpetual, galactuc couldn’t even kill him. Even if galactus ate the entirety of the warp and the universe, he would regenerate.

    “And if I hate 40K its because of people like you.”

    And I hate ignorant hate spewing jerks like you who ‘think’ they know so much about 40k.

    “No it helped him to be a barely living corpse worshiped by a bunch of dumbasses dependent on him not being 100% dead just 99.99% dead. Humanity being dependent on him and scared of him ever dying isn’t them enduring its them stagnating and dying a slow painful death as they rot in their own stupidity and dependence.”

    His being worshiped gives him power. Its mutually beneficial. Humans are not dumb asses. Again, if you kept up with stuff I say, you would know his physical condition is irrelevant. 1. They are not stupid. 2. The emperor and mankind are both dependant on eachother.

    Hurr durr! I know so very little about the 40k verse! All I see are plot holes! If only I read actual fluff that explains everything! Hurrrrrrrr. I’m such a tard loool – Jake_Uzumaki

  91. Ragnorke July 26, 2015 at 8:23 am -      #91

    I do agree with Kitten Lord in that atmospheric speed & outside of atmosphere speed wouldn’t normally be the same.
    Also, Gotenks was for the most part flying straight (with a slight turn).

    But anyways, that’s 9 circles in 6 seconds.
    Circumference of earth is 40,000km.
    That’s: 60,000,000 m/s
    Which is only 0.2 light speed.

    I guess DBZ has a lot more power ups since then… But does anyone know how much of a speed increase (if at all) those power ups give?

  92. Sauroposeidon July 26, 2015 at 8:41 am -      #92

    “So he clean Sidonia’s challenge, that much I am sure.”

    Everyone works together to stop Beerus. For.. reasons..

    The Gauna seem to like Planet 9 anyways.. even if we never get to find out way. I loved Season 2, but for a season titled “Battle for Planet 9” there was surprisingly little battling for it. I don’t recall ever getting to even see the main Cluster.

  93. Friendlysociopath July 26, 2015 at 9:11 am -      #93

    But anyways, that’s 9 circles in 6 seconds.
    Circumference of earth is 40,000km.


    Here, I’ll grab Numinous’ calc from the DBZ Gauntlet

    Numinous
    Gotenks speed with a massive lowball time.
    i.imgur.com/CmIRZ.png
    “A few dozen times”
    Few is greater than couple, so 3 at minimum.
    Also ignoring that Gotenks was far above the Earth’s surface (someone can pixel scale if they really want), thereby increasing distance travelled.
    Also ignoring more powerful transformations decrease the fusions time limit.

    Here goes.
    Manga.
    Statement of a few dozen laps, minimum for a few dozen is 36.
    The timeframe given in the manga is less than a minute remaining on the fusion, so 29 minutes at the most.
    (1442700×10^3)m/1740s = Mach 829.

  94. Kitten Lord July 26, 2015 at 10:41 am -      #94

    @Rag

    “I guess DBZ has a lot more power ups since then… But does anyone know how much of a speed increase (if at all) those power ups give?”

    Not really, Gotenks is the fastest int he series as per that feat. Nobody else comes close tbh.

  95. pimpmage July 26, 2015 at 11:00 am -      #95

    I saw a screw attack video that was telling me that physical stats are directly linked with how much ki you have. Stronger characters would theoretically be faster, even though there might not be direct speed feats available. I’m not even a fan of the series, but that seems reasonable enough to me.

  96. Ragnorke July 26, 2015 at 11:19 am -      #96

    @Friendly
    Ah yea, the manga definitely makes the feat much more impressive.
    But that doesn’t change the fact that it was OUTSIDE our atmosphere, and in a straight line.
    I don’t think any DBZ character comes close to even relativistic combat speed.

    @Kitten
    “Not really, Gotenks is the fastest int he series as per that feat. Nobody else comes close tbh.”

    It’s only logical to assume further boosts to the Super Saiyan form continue increasing speed though,
    So, basically what Pimpmage says right above me.

    A SSGSS character would be faster than a SS2 or 3 character, IF both characters have the same biology and similar training. Which Goku & Gotenks do have.
    We obviously can’t say how much faster, but that’s still better than nothing.

    Unfortunately none of this gives us combat speed.

  97. Ragnorke July 26, 2015 at 11:29 am -      #97

    I do feel like i should mention Kitten (and i) are really downplaying DBZ here.
    It’s obvious the Authors Intent was for the characters to be drastically above just bullet speed, and i’m all for Authors Intent as a valid debating tactic…
    But then again, it really isn’t our fault they lack relevant feats.

  98. Kitten Lord July 26, 2015 at 11:37 am -      #98

    @Rag

    “It’s only logical to assume further boosts to the Super Saiyan form continue increasing speed though,”

    Why? if no one is ever faster than say, SS1 or SS2 then they do not need to be faster.

    “It’s obvious the Authors Intent was for the characters to be drastically above just bullet speed,”

    Why? If it was authors intent they could have easily said otherwise.

    There are countless DBZ episodes, hours of it, some movies, manga etc. Very little of it has any clear indication of speed.

    Author may not even care how much faster they got.

  99. Shadow-Knight July 26, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #99

    Ok, so I pulled this from the wiki. If we give Curoscant its last known planetary defenses , not counting space fleets, it has a space minefield, orbiting defense platforms,a planetary shield and millions of roof top anti air guns.

  100. Ragnorke July 26, 2015 at 3:22 pm -      #100

    @KittyKat
    “Why? if no one is ever faster than say, SS1 or SS2 then they do not need to be faster.”

    Because SS1 gave a speed boost. As did SS2.
    It’s only logical for the states to continue providing boosts.

    HOWEVER, i do know that it isn’t proven, and i’m with you on that.

    “Why? If it was authors intent they could have easily said otherwise.”

    Well that’s the difference between authors intent & word of god.
    Authors Intent is something that’s implied by the writing style, but never actually mentioned or proven.
    That’s why it isn’t a part of the debating rules, because it can always be interpreted in different ways from person to person.

    Nonetheless, in this case, I personally believe speed boosts would continue, but since we don’t know how much, it becomes a moot point.

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