Rand al’Thor and Richard Rahl Vs Darquesse and Kain

Rand alThor and Richard Rahl Vs Darquesse and Kain

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Rand al’Thor (Wheel of Time) and Richard Rahl (Sword of Truth) will go up against Darquesse (Skulduggery Pleasant) and Kain (Legacy of Kain).

Fight takes place outside of Hogsmeade, combatants start 500 meters apart. Rand al’Thor can channel and has the fat-man angreal. (Note from Rookie: I guess that everyone else is in their prime and at peak of their powers).

Who will win?

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21 Comments on "Rand al’Thor and Richard Rahl Vs Darquesse and Kain"

  1. Rookie July 20, 2015 at 1:57 am -      #1

    Team 1 probably wins.

  2. Commander Cross July 20, 2015 at 2:34 am -      #2

    If EoS Darquesse is in play, I really hope Rand al’Thor just fetched himself a Power-Forged Castration Knife, he’s gonna need it for EoS Darquesse if he don’t hit her with Balefire in time.
    Because short of The Devil himself, EoS Darquesse Beyotch-smacks any Grand Prince of Hell with a name for the most part.

    Either way I feel atrocious for anyone caught in a horrific Crossfire like what this fight’s gonna bring out.

    This fight arrived sooner-than-I-thought, yet still no word on that one Dot Hack-focused fight I tried to suggest a few months back.

  3. Amm0vamp1r3 July 20, 2015 at 4:16 am -      #3

    Yeah rand and Rahl take this from what I remember about them

  4. Numinous One July 20, 2015 at 5:28 am -      #4

    Isn’t Darquesse the one with with atomic shenanigans and can reality warp people into stuff like chairs?
    And force chokes and other nasty stuffs.

  5. Kitten Lord July 20, 2015 at 5:30 am -      #5

    So lets concrete MO’s and likely opening plays to begin with.

    Kain gets a lot of satisfactions out of using most if not all of his abilities but his bread and butter is his sword, TK and teleportation. More or less every fight he has been in however has required him to use whatever he has at his disposal to win since every major opponent requires all his talents.

    As a base however he is a vampire, he sees two humans across from him…..hes going to feed, and he feeds by manipulating blood with TK. I am doubtful if either of Team 1 can survive this so the beginning of the fight at least starts and potentially ends with a gesture from Kain.

    Considering he can move as a blur, a simple gesture with his hand could be in the microsecond range and his opponents will die from every known issue you would have with all the blood in your body rushing to the will of another through your body. Heart attack, stroke, lack of consciousness, no oxygen, failure of organs.

    So Team 1 has to react to their opponents, think and make a decision, and then carry out said attack and decision in fractions of a second. And the only clue they have that Kain is even attacking them is he is gesturing slightly with his hand….

    A few ideas from other Rand matches;

    Balefire, will likely destroy Kain if it hits him but if Rand tries to cast this then he is dead. Other evidence I have seen is that it can take as long to cast as it takes men to throw stones and it travels slow enough for a human to get out of the way of it. So if Rands character when trying to kill someone is balefire, he dies

    Tries to make an air shield He dies, TK has no travel time because it begins from Kain and appears on the target, so unless he makes an air shield across each molecule of blood or we which I have never heard of, and does this with knowledge (precog?) what Kain is going to do and how to face it he is dead.

    All I remember from Richard is he lost to Rand. And a large bulk of the argument was how much power he could draw upon was based on necessity if I recall correctly, not purely his will.

    Not sure who Darqueesse is

  6. Numinous One July 20, 2015 at 5:34 am -      #6

    “it travels slow enough for a human to get out of the way of it.”

    To be fair, I honestly don’t recall that ever.
    Sure people have preemptively dodged it, but I cannot remember anyone in the series dodging after it had been fired.
    It’s travel time is typically described as instant and a beam of light.

  7. Kitten Lord July 20, 2015 at 5:43 am -      #7

    There was definitely a time where a guy dived out of the way of balefire. And it was not even at long range. If it was aim dodged by a human the end result of it being aimed at either of team 2 is the same unless their slower than men. I do not think either are.

    There was also a time where balefire cast time was being argued and there was a quote where a man was trying to cast balefire while someone else was just chucking stones at him. So this weave is anything but instantaneous.

    I have never read anything that suggests balefire has no travel time.

  8. Ragnorke July 20, 2015 at 6:44 am -      #8

    “There was definitely a time where a guy dived out of the way of balefire. And it was not even at long range. If it was aim dodged by a human the end result of it being aimed at either of team 2 is the same unless their slower than men.”

    It was AIM dodged because the dude knew it was coming. Meaning the guy began dodging it while the channeler was still aiming. Balefire is a common spell used by most channelers in WoT, and it’s easy to see it coming if you’re experienced.
    You’re saying Darquesse & Kain will magically know that someone is going to use Balefire before it even starts? (serious question)
    Once the Balefire is actually created, no one has ever dodged it.

    “I have never read anything that suggests balefire has no travel time.”

    Of course it has a travel time.
    There’s literally nothing in existence which is truly “instant”.

  9. Friendlysociopath July 20, 2015 at 6:51 am -      #9

    @Kitten
    Mind showing a video of Kain TKing blood in the middle of battle? I only ever recall doing that to people chained up or already beat on, implies a certain helplessness is required.

    TK has no travel time because it begins from Kain and appears on the target

    I don’t think so
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMIHjCmFeNk
    At multiple points you see Kain and Raziel’s TK being seen as shockwaves coming out from them- it travels.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRZMxCkBv_4
    Same here, Kain’s only use of TK was a blast centered on himself

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjpcPkKNIqc
    You can see it here too, while he can TK other people, when he propels them away you see a white mist come out from him- also shows Kain in combat and only doing the blood TK after he beats people up- he doesn’t do it as a starter, he only does it when his enemy is near-death as a sort of finisher.

  10. Ragnorke July 20, 2015 at 6:57 am -      #10

    Also, has Kain used precise TK half a kilometer away?

  11. jesusfreak155 July 20, 2015 at 7:06 am -      #11

    Why does everyone think bale fire is Rand’s only dangerous weapon? What happens when Rand’s opens two death gates: one inside kain, and another inside Darqueesse?
    What happens if Rand starts blossoms of fire inside them? Or a good old gateway? Or the water melon weave with their heads? Out that one that turned the fade to solid ice?
    What happens if he does all this at once? Yes, he can and has.
    Rahl may not need to do anything eventually… The battle could be over very very quickly, before kain can wave his hands…

  12. jesusfreak155 July 20, 2015 at 7:10 am -      #12

    *Or that one that turned…

  13. Kitten Lord July 20, 2015 at 7:12 am -      #13

    @Rag

    “You’re saying Darquesse & Kain will magically know that someone is going to use Balefire before it even starts?”

    Darqueesse maybe, I read on her profile that she can sense magic and knows how an opponent is going to use it. As far as Kain is concerned hes just going to see a sorceror motioning towards him. Considering hes fought mostly sorcerers.

    “Also, has Kain used precise TK half a kilometer away?”

    Why would distance matter?

    In the event Kain wants to close with his enemy as I said, his third ace is teleportation.

    @Friendly

    “Mind showing a video of Kain TKing blood in the middle of battle? I only ever recall doing that to people chained up or already beat on, implies a certain helplessness is required”

    vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/legacyofkain/images/3/31/Defiance22GameStop.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110617011553

    And it does not imply that at all, only that in some o the examples of him draining blood his target was chained up. All hes doing is Tking blood, what does the state of his opponent have to do with it?

    “At multiple points you see Kain and Raziel’s TK being seen as shockwaves coming out from them- it travels.”

    All oyu can see is kains hand sparkling when he uses TK. As you can see in my above scan, there is notihng travelling from Kain to the target. in fact I wonder if it could even be called TK if something was connecting Kain to the object.

    “lso shows Kain in combat and only doing the blood TK after he beats people up- he doesn’t do it as a starter, he only does it when his enemy is near-death as a sort of finisher.”

    You realize that is not Kain doing that, this is a player, you know..playing the game.

    kain has never shown any CIS or reason to not drink the blood of his enemies while they are still alive.

    TK is a perfect option for disabling both the R spellswords with relative ease.

    @Freak

    “What happens if he does all this at once? Yes, he can and has”

    Did Rand do this to every opponent he has faced? Does not sound like regular MO. I have heard he uses balefire quite a lot but spamming spells? the only time he did that was against an army of trollocs, who if I recall, actually managed to get relatively close to him despite all his magic.

  14. Friendlysociopath July 20, 2015 at 7:18 am -      #14

    All hes doing is Tking blood, what does the state of his opponent have to do with it?

    Because he only ever does it to people who aren’t moving and are stunned/incapacitated. Even when he actually has people TK’d into the air and helpless he cannot TK-blood-drain them if they aren’t hurt.

    kain has never shown any CIS or reason to not drink the blood of his enemies while they are still alive.

    Seems he either can’t do it until he beats them up, or he just won’t.

    Did Rand do this to every opponent he has faced?

    Does Kain resort to TK every time? Or does he like fighting with his sword too?

  15. jesusfreak155 July 20, 2015 at 7:22 am -      #15

    @Aefellin @Ragnaroke, please help me explain this. Most opponents rand uses bale fire on are people who eat Rahl, Darqueesse, and kain for breakfast together. He won’t need bale fire for these two…
    In the books, he did this quite often i.e.using more than one weave. Rand has few fights with people not forsaken, or armies of trollocs and circles of dread lords. He’s like the rotflstomper for his side. If he fought in fights where the combatants were not forsaken, or channelers with great numerical advantage, or from a grossly disadvantaged position (dumai wells) it’ll be boring.

  16. Kitten Lord July 20, 2015 at 7:29 am -      #16

    @Friendly

    “Even when he actually has people TK’d into the air and helpless he cannot TK-blood-drain them if they aren’t hurt.”

    I just showed you him doing it. He pulls a guy into the air, and TKes the blood from his chest. Your making a lot of assertions though, which are fine since I know you cannot prove them.

    “Does Kain resort to TK every time? Or does he like fighting with his sword too?”

    he likes using magic as well. I can think of several cutscene examples of where he uses TK to manipulate or kill. Three including that scan.

    obviously, when his opponents are in close combat he uses his sword……

    Kain is a vastly intelligent being who like I said uses what he needs for victory. I do not think he has ever shown any form of CIS, e.g., not done something that would have saved him a lot of bother apart from maybe in locations of PIS against the Hylden Lord or something.

    @Freak

    “In the books, he did this quite often”

    Yeah ill wait for the quotes. Even at the battle at the manor recall Trollocs still getting past his AoE and burning down the houses he was trying to save.

    Rands weaves are limited, and he is up against someone who can very easily cause him death with little or no effort, he does not even have to use some of his more hax spells.

  17. jesusfreak155 July 20, 2015 at 7:40 am -      #17

    Rand isn’t mad anymore. Dear God, quotes… Can anyone help me here? I’m not sure of exactly where some of these feats are in the books and they are too big to start checking now. I’ll just wait for the big guns to show up…

  18. LadyRamkin July 20, 2015 at 8:10 am -      #18

    *Cough*Lightningtimer*cough*

  19. Kitten Lord July 20, 2015 at 8:15 am -      #19

    “sigh”, I hope that lightning timing mess does not come into this thread. It dominated Hazama vs Rand….

    Ill shoot it down now by pointing out that even if Rand did have a reactionary impulse to lightning coming at him which resulted in him shielding himself that result would, as I said above get him killed.

    kain can use lightning but he does not that often. I doubt he has any impressive feats of reaction against someone just gesturing weakly at him. And his surprise at not being able to sense any “weaves” would likely add to the confusion.

  20. Klondike Bar July 20, 2015 at 8:38 am -      #20

    Rand has fought people using invisible weaves all the time. A few are all women ever, any guy using inverted weaves, and the people using the true power.

    I really love Kain and think he is awesome but if Kain’s TK is EC to Weaves then it will be fully block able by rand either through air shields or slicing his TK with spirit. The EC however could be argued.

    Darqueske lady I am not sure about zen-Rand could at least resist reality warping from the Dark One so maybe he could win here too.

  21. Kitten Lord July 20, 2015 at 8:49 am -      #21

    TK is not cast, its purely his mind/will made manifest. kain does not “draw” from any sort of power like the one power/true power. So it cannot be cut and even then, when has Rand cut weaves he cannot see?

    His magic system is not alike to weaving elements. The closest thing to WoT magic could be mana usage from the first game but that was little more than an in-game resource system so the player cannot spam spells and even then, it came directly from Kain, especially now hes the balance guardian, ergo a font of magic and magic regulation.

    The gameplay mechanics and their resource systems have changed every game and never covered TK. All kains spells are cast with gestures so I doubt Rand would have time to counter anyway.

    ” zen-Rand could at least resist reality warping from the Dark One so maybe he could win here too.”

    not sure if this is Zen rand though.

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