Venom Vs Starkiller

Venom Vs Starkiller

Suggested by Nsl98

Starkiller (Star Wars) will go up against Venom (Marvel)

They start on opposite sides of Times Square.

Current Incarnations for both.

Who will win?

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65 Comments on "Venom Vs Starkiller"

  1. residentnerd01 July 16, 2015 at 12:08 am -      #1

    Would the starkiller for this match be his ‘dark side’ or ‘light side’ version?
    __

    I’m don’t know a lot on Venom, except that he definitely could punch starkiller’s head off if his fist made contact with it. But I’ll decide to go with the loyalist answer and say that starkiller could probably win.

  2. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 12:12 am -      #2

    Question, would a lightsaber going through Venom hurt him? I ask this because of Carnage and him surviving being torn in half in space- would hitting the person inside Venom kill him and then Venom?

  3. GrandMaster July 16, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #3

    Is Venom a lot stronger than Spider-Man? If not Starkiller should be able to TK Venom to death from what I have seen of his strength

  4. Jake_Uzumaki July 16, 2015 at 2:08 am -      #4

    Well Spidey can usually lift around 50 tons going all out, and Venom is usually in the 70 ton or more ballpark and recently got an upgrade which could have boosted his abilities to any number of degrees not at all or to a ridiculous extent

  5. Alpha or Omega July 16, 2015 at 4:22 am -      #5

    @residentnere01
    It would most likely be his good version.
    I don’t really see the difference though since they’re not that different from each other.
    /
    @Friendlysociopath
    Yes, a lightsaber would hurt Venom.
    While Thompson Flash is tolerable to fire, a lightsaber is, by far, hotter than normal fire.
    It would wreck him pretty bad.
    /
    @Grandmaster
    Venom is stronger than Spiderman, but Starkiller’s force feats are above Spiderman by magnitudes.
    However, Starkiller has to concentrate and know the location of Venom in order to tk.
    The current Venom, uses guns and should lay down fire and webbing to disrupt his concentration.
    /
    @Jake
    Venom is physically stronger, but Starkiller can amplify his physical attacks and extend the length of his lightsaber.
    His force abilities exceeds Venom’s physical strength though.
    /
    Would Venom’s powers be able to cancel out Starkiller’s precognition similar to him canceling out Spiderman’s spider sense?

  6. Jake_Uzumaki July 16, 2015 at 4:34 am -      #6

    Was just answering a question on how strong Venom was

    The reason for cancelling out Spideys was due to the unique bond they shared I believe but Venom does have its own Spider-Sense…or presumably he still has it. I know the range of his tentacle weapons has gone up by quite a lot but we probably won’t be seeing more of him till after Secret Wars.

  7. Kitten Lord July 16, 2015 at 6:20 am -      #7

    To what degree does Starkillers concentration be to use his TK? as in, would venom be able to start slinging webs at him fast enough? and further, would that stop Starkiller? His TK force is quite impressive, stardestroyer class no?

    Meaning I think if he hits Venom with Tk were looking at a lot of splatter, or launched into space or something.

    Question, can Starkiller use force for several things at once with each hand? e.g., with one hand deflect bullets/shield himself and the other hit venom with blasts of force?

  8. Shadow-Knight July 16, 2015 at 6:30 am -      #8

    Iirc the only reason Venom could cancel out the only Spider-sense was due to having bonded with parker as a first host and still had some of his dna which tricked the sense. ( or something like that)

  9. Ninja Lowk July 16, 2015 at 9:38 am -      #9

    Venom camos into the background and snipes SK?
    Thats really the only way I see him winning in a manner he would actually do.

  10. Ragnorke July 16, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #10

    While it’s true Venom gained his precognition-counter only because it was previously bonded to Spiderman. The fact remains that it evolved and developed the power.
    If jedi precognition is EC to Spidermans, then Venom is unaffected by it.

    Furthermore, Venom can turn invisible. Venom is likely faster.
    And Venom has guns. TMWTA and I did thorough calcs about jedis, and came to the conclusion that even WITH their precognition, they would only be able to deflect bullets if they were fired from about a meter away. (and only slow firing guns at that)

    Aside from that, starkillers TK wrecks Venom into orbit… But… That still wouldn’t “kill” Venom.

  11. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 11:21 am -      #11

    And Venom has guns. TMWTA and I did thorough calcs about jedis, and came to the conclusion that even WITH their precognition, they would only be able to deflect bullets if they were fired from about a meter away. (and only slow firing guns at that)

    Out of curiosity, was that based on movies or the EU?

  12. Ragnorke July 16, 2015 at 11:31 am -      #12

    Movies,
    How do the games fit into the rest of the EU? I can’t imagine every piece of it is considered the same canon is it?

  13. Nsl98 July 16, 2015 at 11:41 am -      #13

    AFAIK, the games were considered EU. Don’t know where in the timeline it fits, but it’s supposed to.

    So, do EU Jedi/Sith get better RT feats then?

  14. Karen Starr July 16, 2015 at 11:46 am -      #14

    Galactic Republic, mercenaries fearing an intervention by Jedi Knights used rapid-fire slugthrowers that were impossible to completely deflect with a lightsaber, unlike blaster bolts.

    —–

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slugthrower

    —–

    Seems even in the EU bullets were hard to block with a lightsaber

  15. Envoy July 16, 2015 at 11:52 am -      #15

    “Question, would a lightsaber going through Venom hurt him? I ask this because of Carnage and him surviving being torn in half in space- would hitting the person inside Venom kill him and then Venom?”
    +
    Carnage is a whole different beast, the guy can melt through solid objects to say the least.

  16. Ragnorke July 16, 2015 at 1:14 pm -      #16

    “Seems even in the EU bullets were hard to block with a lightsaber”

    And this is WITH their pre-cog.
    Without their precog, i think they’d have a hard time deflecting the regular slow blaster bolts.

    What’s stopping venom from just walking up to him and snapping his neck?
    Do Starkillers heightened senses surpass Spidermans?

    “Carnage is a whole different beast, the guy can melt through solid objects to say the least.”

    They’ve fought to standstills before…

    @AoO
    “Yes, a lightsaber would hurt Venom.
    While Thompson Flash is tolerable to fire, a lightsaber is, by far, hotter than normal fire.
    It would wreck him pretty bad.”

    Sure, it would hurt him, but Symbiotes can regenerate… And it sure as hell wouldn’t kill him.

  17. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #17

    I just thought Venom could be killed by killing Flash inside of him.
    Lightsaber doesn’t cut by force (like say, a regular sword) but with heat. So if a lightsaber went through Venom and hit Flash and killed Flash- would that be a win or loss?

  18. Envoy July 16, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #18

    “They’ve fought to standstills before…”
    +
    He’s citing Carnage’s durability as if it was applicable to Venom. I don’t care who wins in a fight, I’m saying that Carnage has unique qualities that he doesn’t share with Venom (and vice versa).

  19. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 5:47 pm -      #19

    He’s citing Carnage’s durability as if it was applicable to Venom.

    Asking if it works like that =/= citing as proof

    I know Flash is in Venom, I know Flash can be killed while inside Venom, I’m asking what would then happen?

  20. Alpha or Omega July 16, 2015 at 6:07 pm -      #20

    @Ragnorke
    “What’s stopping venom from just walking up to him and snapping his neck?
    Do Starkillers heightened senses surpass Spidermans?”
    /
    Starkiller has precog, but not on the same level as EU Vader, Luke or Palpatine.
    So expect something less than Spidey’s.
    /
    “but Symbiotes can regenerate…”
    /
    Not under constant lightsaber attacks that would be the symbiote’s weakness.
    But, against force attacks, such as force push and choke?
    Yeah.
    /
    “And it sure as hell wouldn’t kill him.”
    /
    Eh.
    He can’t regen from a lightsaber, so heads and limbs cut off, burnt organs, and his main body split into two.
    That’s why Venom should stick to ranged weapons, stay hidden and snipe him.
    Close range doesn’t favor the guy bringing symbiote fists to a glowstick fight.

  21. Ninja Lowk July 16, 2015 at 6:08 pm -      #21

    Venom symbiote looks for a new host provided it is destroyed

  22. Ninja Lowk July 16, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #22

    It isnt destroyed

  23. Ragnorke July 16, 2015 at 6:20 pm -      #23

    @Friendly
    “I just thought Venom could be killed by killing Flash inside of him.”

    Has something like this actually happened before?
    As far as i know, cutting Symbiotes in half and etc doesn’t actually kill the host. (until the Symbiote decides to leave the host i guess)

    Killing Flash would probably force Venom to find a new host, but actually killing Flash WHILE he’s fused with Venom can be tough.
    Symbiotes can just keep their hosts alive.

    ” I’m saying that Carnage has unique qualities that he doesn’t share with Venom (and vice versa).”

    Isn’t Carnage literally just a piece of Venom…?
    Does he ACTUALLY have any unique abilities aside from thematic ones which separate the characters through CiS?

    Anyways, a symbiote keeping its host alive would probably be a universal thing.
    I don’t see why one symbiote would be able to do it and not others.

  24. Ragnorke July 16, 2015 at 6:23 pm -      #24

    @AoO
    “Starkiller has precog, but not on the same level as EU Vader, Luke or Palpatine.
    So expect something less than Spidey’s.”

    Okay, so give me 1 reason why we shouldn’t consider Jedi precog Elementally Compatible to Spidey precog…
    Venom can counter spideys, why wouldn’t he be able to counter Starkillers?

    “He can’t regen from a lightsaber,”

    Haven’t symbiotes regenerated from much worse?
    I’ll get scans.

    “Close range doesn’t favor the guy bringing symbiote fists to a glowstick fight.”

    It does if the Symbiote can turn invisible, ignore precog, and snap the glowstick wielders neck like a toothpick…

  25. Kitten Lord July 16, 2015 at 6:26 pm -      #25

    if Starkiller can get Venom in his Tk and launch him into space does that not count as a BFR? Especially if he launches him out of the gravity.

  26. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 6:35 pm -      #26

    Okay, so give me 1 reason why we shouldn’t consider Jedi precog Elementally Compatible to Spidey precog…

    Because Venom’s countermeasure is based specifically on Spiderman. It does not make him immune to all precog- just Spiderman’s. Spiderman is the exception, not the rule.

    As far as i know, cutting Symbiotes in half and etc doesn’t actually kill the host.

    That’s what I mean; what would it take to kill the host?

    if Starkiller can get Venom in his Tk and launch him into space

    Which he has done when exactly?

  27. Alpha or Omega July 16, 2015 at 6:40 pm -      #27

    @Ragnorke
    “Isn’t Carnage literally just a piece of Venom…?
    Does he ACTUALLY have any unique abilities aside from thematic ones which separate the characters through CiS?”
    /
    The symbiote can revive Kasady even if he’s dead(though his body needs to be intact) after being separated with it.
    The Carnage symbiote can store Kasady’s sentience in order to revive him.
    Cletus probably corrupted the Carnage symbiote more than Eddie Brock did to the venom symbiote be honest.
    /
    “Okay, so give me 1 reason why we shouldn’t consider Jedi precog Elementally Compatible to Spidey precog…
    Venom can counter spideys, why wouldn’t he be able to counter Starkillers?”
    /
    Because it uses the force and nothing related to biological means while Spider-sense does?
    I thought you were asking if Starkiller’s precog was as impressive as Spiderman, and basically I said no.
    /
    “It does if the Symbiote can turn invisible, ignore precog, and snap the glowstick wielders neck like a toothpick…”
    /
    True.
    /
    @Kitten Lord
    “if Starkiller can get Venom in his Tk and launch him into space does that not count as a BFR? Especially if he launches him out of the gravity.”
    /
    He has to concentrate and know Venom’s location in order to do so.

  28. Kitten Lord July 16, 2015 at 6:40 pm -      #28

    He uses the force against people right to throw them around? once hes spent minutes beating the hell out of Venom and found out he cant get rid of him hes got as much time as he likes to come up with a way of getting rid of him.

    Throwing him into space is his best bet. Its not something hes likely to start with since I do not recall him just space dumping someone off at the drop but its potentially in his power given time for experimentation.

    @Alpha

    “He has to concentrate and know Venom’s location in order to do so.”

    True, if Venom can get into his stealthy position too quick for Starkiller to do anything then he has the advantage.

  29. Jake_Uzumaki July 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm -      #29

    “That’s what I mean; what would it take to kill the host?”

    Seperating the symbiote from the host then killing the Host in such a way that the symbiote has nothing to repair. It can’t do anything about limbs removed while they are seperate but so long as host and Symbiote are bonded they essentially give the host Wolverine or Deadpool esque regen (see Eddie Brock growing most of his head back after a shotgun blasted it off while he was with Anti-Venom)

    Also a preview of the post Secret Wars stuff had Agent Venom in space and at one point the Venom Symbiote evolved wings so it could probably adapt to fly back from being launched into orbit if Starkiller did that. A fully functional Symbiote like the newly repaired Venom is supposed to make badass space cop warriors.

  30. Ninja Lowk July 16, 2015 at 7:04 pm -      #30

    “Okay, so give me 1 reason why we shouldn’t consider Jedi precog Elementally Compatible to Spidey precog…”

    Isn’t the only reason he doesn’t trigger regular spider-man spider sense because he was connected to him? Sort of like have he is designated friend under Spidey’s IFF system.
    Venom triggers Ben Reilly’s spider sense. I think he has to connect with you before he can pass itself off as a non-threat to extra senses.

  31. GrandMaster July 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm -      #31

    Is the Symbiote vulnerable to lightning?

  32. Jake_Uzumaki July 16, 2015 at 9:09 pm -      #32

    I don’t know for sure….have any of the symbiotes fought Electro before?

  33. Shadow-Knight July 16, 2015 at 9:20 pm -      #33

    Ok, this has probably already been touched on but, its kind of hard to gauge jedi precog(when compared to spider sense) as it varies from force user to force user. Some jedi , for example, get brief glimpses of the immediate future while others get “funny feelings” or others still get “pulls” or “urges”. The effectiveness / streangth of the precog,like most force powers, are directly related to how intouch with the force he or she is. Example, a padawan might get a tingle in his mind that danger is coming but nothing beyond that, while a master might get a clear picture of a door exploding to his right . There are exceptions to this ofcourse as in all things .

  34. Nsl98 July 16, 2015 at 9:26 pm -      #34

    @Jake
    Yes:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107456/3607908-4310738151-30145.jpg

  35. Envoy July 16, 2015 at 10:07 pm -      #35

    “Isn’t Carnage literally just a piece of Venom…?”
    +
    A piece that’s supposed to have everything greater than the rest. Like greater resistance to weaknesses and boosted abilities. Has Venom ever revived his clinically dead host?

  36. Xornell July 16, 2015 at 10:09 pm -      #36

    EU Jedi precog/reaction has allowed for reaction to lasers (not just blasters) in close proximity. In padawans.

    Why can’t Starkiller toss Venom into orbit again?

  37. Nsl98 July 16, 2015 at 10:27 pm -      #37

    Why can’t Starkiller toss Venom into orbit again?

    The same reason he doesn’t toss Vader into orbit. Or Palpatine. Or Drexel. Or the entire squadrons of troops he goes up against.

    That’s not how Starkiller thinks.

  38. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 10:29 pm -      #38

    Why can’t Starkiller toss Venom into orbit again?

    Because he’s never demonstrated the slightest desire or reason to do so.
    And because Venom will actually come back apparently, so it’s not even a real BFR.

    Drat the ninja

  39. Nsl98 July 16, 2015 at 10:41 pm -      #39

    Drat the ninja

    Fear me💂

    Venom’s webs tag Captain America, a bullet timer:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125918/3455534-venomcap2.jpg

    Point blank bullet dodging:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/9/96884/1824075-venom_scan_22.jpg

  40. Jake_Uzumaki July 16, 2015 at 10:43 pm -      #40

    So lightning just gives him a tingly feeling..and that was before the upgrade. So Force Lightnings probably not going to do much.

  41. Shadow-Knight July 16, 2015 at 11:05 pm -      #41

    What type of lightsaber is starkiller using here? Iirc his black bladed saber/s were able to disintegrate stormtroopers on contact.

  42. Friendlysociopath July 16, 2015 at 11:16 pm -      #42

    Fear me

    I could “un-ninja” you…
    Don’t push me to the dark side NS.

    What type of lightsaber is starkiller using here?

    I would assume his best one

  43. Nsl98 July 16, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #43

    I could “un-ninja” you…
    Don’t push me to the dark side NS.


    O_O

    Ummm…..high ground, slashy slashy?

    And I didn’t know Starkiller’s lightsabers were different from each other. I thought they all just cut stuff in the fashion lightsabers do.

    Then again, it’s been awhile…

  44. Jake_Uzumaki July 16, 2015 at 11:58 pm -      #44

    in two different crystals had different bonus effects healing disintigration etc.

  45. Alpha or Omega July 17, 2015 at 12:50 am -      #45

    @Xornell
    “EU Jedi precog/reaction has allowed for reaction to lasers (not just blasters) in close proximity. In padawans.”
    /
    Not a feat for Starkiller tho.
    /
    “Why can’t Starkiller toss Venom into orbit again?”
    /
    Requires focus and knowledge of Venom’s location.
    Flash can simply shoot a burst to have Marek focus on the bullets and go camo when Marek is about to block the bullets.
    /
    @Nsl98
    “Venom’s webs tag Captain America, a bullet timer:”
    /
    To be fair about that, he kinda did that when Captain America left himself wide open after his attack.
    You shouldn’t do anything similar to that in real life (or at least according to the weapon specialist I’ve been watching) since it would leave you wide open.
    I think that was PIS on Captain America’s part to be honest since someone who mastered a lot of fighting skills and techniques shouldn’t leave himself open like that.
    /
    @FriendlySociopath
    “Don’t push me to the dark side NS.”
    /
    Come to the dark side.
    We have cookies and insurance.

  46. Jake_Uzumaki July 17, 2015 at 1:26 am -      #46

    Agent Venom pre upgrade vs Sonic Arrow
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118689/3166718-venom-037-%282013%29-%28digital%29-%28nahga-empire%29-10.jpg

    regens from headshot
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118689/3104125-venom-036-%282013%29-%28digital%29-%28nahga-empire%29-17.jpg

    post upgrade Venom vs Chitauri also apparently jumping through flames or an explosion hard to tell
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-m8j9Qu2de-c/VV1voRdpqaI/AAAAAAAAaK8/sXcjBP2xPgs/s1600/p26_5.jpg
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-4EieXQfmpkA/VV1vrCiJMJI/AAAAAAAAaLc/mIF2L5KtLK4/s1600/p26_9.jpg

  47. Jake_Uzumaki July 17, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #47

    Venom’s wings from before the upgrade when he evolved
    oi58.tinypic.com/1zzg6ck.jpg

    And turns out it was just one of the post Secret Wars covers not a preview
    www.marvel616politics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/tumblr_inline_nqqify3Bof1r54my5_500.jpg
    couldn’t remember so my bad.

    Still the Venom Symbiote can apparently adapt to fly and can adapt to survive in space so…should be able to do both at the same time.

  48. Ragnorke July 17, 2015 at 6:48 am -      #48

    @Friendly
    “Because Venom’s countermeasure is based specifically on Spiderman. It does not make him immune to all precog- just Spiderman’s. Spiderman is the exception, not the rule.”

    i already addressed this and i have yet to see a response to my actual argument.
    It went something like this: “Venoms precog counter initially DEVELOPED because the Symbiote was linked to Peter, but the fact remains that the Symbiote adapted/evolved and developed that power.”
    If Spidermans precog is EC to Jedi precog (which it actually is, more so than other precogs, it comes with a “sense of danger” and all that jazz) why would Venoms counter not be EC too?
    It seems like people are just dismissing that aspect because it makes the match a stomp in favor of Venom.
    I don’t see why anyone is assuming that the anti-precog would work against ONLY peter and no one else. This is making a positive claim, and it’s something you’d need to back up.

    “That’s what I mean; what would it take to kill the host?”

    Dunno… Has a host ever been killed….?

    “Because it uses the force and nothing related to biological means while Spider-sense does?”

    Since when does the Source of a power stop the actual effect from being EC to a similar effect?
    If fire is created magically, and acts the same way that a normal fire acts, it’s still EC to normal fire…
    Why is this different?

    @Jake
    “Seperating the symbiote from the host then killing the Host in such a way that the symbiote has nothing to repair. ”

    ^ This, pretty much.

    Symbiote hosts have survived pretty much everything that has ever been thrown at them, as long as they’re still linked to the symbiote.
    Whether it be getting ripped in half by an interdimensional FTL reality warping planet buster, or having their soul burnt by a dude that has beaten up the devil.

    @Lowk
    “Venom triggers Ben Reilly’s spider sense. ”

    Oh, seriously? Can i get a scan of this?
    I had no idea.

    @Xornell
    “Why can’t Starkiller toss Venom into orbit again?”

    Aside from the CiS that would stop him from opening with that, there’s:
    1. The need for vast amounts of concentration, which he will not have mid combat.
    2. Needing to know Venoms exact location.

    Also, sending something out of gravity is way harder than manipulating something into falling in.

    Oh, and apparently Venom can fly now… and can live in space… So that’s cool

  49. Ninja Lowk July 17, 2015 at 7:11 am -      #49

    “Oh, seriously? Can i get a scan of this?”

    youtu.be/–ejA9Z5HAE
    1:08 show spider sense working
    2:03-2:13 mentions using it and then does to dodge a hit

  50. Shadow-Knight July 17, 2015 at 9:56 am -      #50

    I know wikis are not held in high reguard but……
    marvel.wikia.com/Peter_Parker_(Ben_Reilly)_(Earth-616)
    …..according to this The Scarlet spider can sense Venom Just fine due to not having been bonded with him. The post a few spaces above this one that calls the spider sense an IFF seems like an accurate description.

  51. Friendlysociopath July 17, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #51

    If Spidermans precog is EC to Jedi precog (which it actually is, more so than other precogs, it comes with a “sense of danger” and all that jazz) why would Venoms counter not be EC too?

    Because Venom does not have immunity to all precog, he only has immunity to Spiderman’s precog because he was bonded with Spiderman.

    Everyone else who has precog in Marvel should have precog that works on Venom perfectly fine- because he has only adapted to Spiderman’s precog. You don’t need something that is EC with the Spider Sense, you need something that IS the Spider Sense. Apparently Peter Parker’s Spider Sense in particular judging by what others are saying.

  52. Ragnorke July 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm -      #52

    @Friendly
    “he only has immunity to Spiderman’s”

    This is something that needed to be supported.
    It already has now (with the Scarlet Spider feat), so there we go.

    If it hadn’t been supported though: We would have assumed Venom has immunity to any form of precog similar to the Spider Sense.

    Just because the Symbiote DEVELOPED the counter-power by being bonded to Peter, doesn’t automatically mean it would only work on Peter.

    For example, if the venom had bonded to the human torch, and then developed the power to resist human torches fire attacks… Would we assume the symbiote can negate ONLY human torches fire attacks? or that it can now negate any attack EC to that fire attack?
    The latter is much more logical, and it doesn’t need an extra positive claim, therefor is also supported by Ocams Razor.

    “You don’t need something that is EC with the Spider Sense, you need something that IS the Spider Sense. ”

    Yes, but only because the Ben Reilly feat has now been provided. Which hadn’t been posted or mentioned earlier.

  53. Friendlysociopath July 17, 2015 at 1:15 pm -      #53

    If it hadn’t been supported though: We would have assumed Venom has immunity to any form of precog similar to the Spider Sense.

    Guess it depends on what you’d call “similar”.

    For example, if the venom had bonded to the human torch, and then developed the power to resist human torches fire attacks… Would we assume the symbiote can negate ONLY human torches fire attacks? or that it can now negate any attack EC to that fire attack?

    Let me try phrasing it like this:
    If I make a countermeasure to one military’s IFF system, I do no get to say it works on any IFF system; only the one it was made to work against. EC needn’t even be mentioned- it’s tailor made to work against one target. Other IFFs will have no issue because my countermeasure was made to work only against the one IFF.
    The specifics is what kills the argument, the more specific something is- the harder it can be to get EC for it. Look at life fibers from Kill la Kill, there’s no EC for that in most fictions; it is too specific of a thing.

  54. Kitten Lord July 17, 2015 at 1:58 pm -      #54

    How many precogs has Venom no sold? if its just peters then that is hardly enough to make a rule. one precog cannot necessarily be affiliated fallaciously with all in fiction. That would be a no limit fallacy as well infact….

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  57. pimpmage July 17, 2015 at 4:07 pm -      #57

    Omg, all of it, but the teamwork is what really knocks my socks off. When others lend their hands and help out… it gets super sexy.

  58. Monochrome July 17, 2015 at 8:15 pm -      #58

    @Pimpmage

    From a scale of 1-Lewd, how badly do you want to go into detail about your…personal desires?

  59. LadyRamkin July 17, 2015 at 8:25 pm -      #59

    On a scale of 1 to invading Russia in the winter, how bad an idea is this?

  60. Alpha or Omega July 17, 2015 at 8:33 pm -      #60

    @Ragnorke
    “Since when does the Source of a power stop the actual effect from being EC to a similar effect?”
    /
    Actually, I said that, not FriendlySociopath.
    I think you’re confusing source with function.
    Jedis and Siths use precog via the force which exists in everything and everywhere(‘cept the Yuuzhan Vongs in the old EU).
    Spiderman’s spider sense is biological.
    /
    “If fire is created magically, and acts the same way that a normal fire acts, it’s still EC to normal fire…
    Why is this different?”
    /
    Because it’s composed of magic as well.
    Something like that would hurt some versions of Superman since it has magic in it.
    Another example is hellfire.
    Most fictional examples of hellfire burns both the physical and spiritual while fire just affects the physical.
    Another example is telekinesis.
    Telekinesis through the control of sub-atoms is not the same telekinesis done by control of gravity.
    /
    This part is a little off-topic.
    /
    “Symbiote hosts have survived pretty much everything that has ever been thrown at them, as long as they’re still linked to the symbiote.
    Whether it be getting ripped in half by an interdimensional FTL reality warping planet buster,”
    /
    Only Carnage survived that, and Sentry did that by pure strength.
    /
    “or having their soul burnt by a dude that has beaten up the devil.”
    /
    Said dude beaten up the devil by ripping the heart out of him, and not using his soul burning attack.

  61. Ninja Lowk July 17, 2015 at 8:52 pm -      #61

    “Spiderman’s spider sense is biological.”

    Sorta. It is apparently also tied to the web if life which is this multiversal thing
    marvel.wikia.com/Web_of_Life_and_Destiny
    When it was messed up it messed up some of the spider men’s senses.

  62. Aelfinn July 17, 2015 at 11:45 pm -      #62

    @pimpmage
    You alright there, buddy?
    =
    I’d have to say that Venom doesn’t cancel out anyone else’s precog. That’s not a “power” of his, it’s an effect of his relationship with Parker. It’d be like marrying someone, then declaring that you can make everyone fall in love with you.
    =
    Isn’t the Force lightning different from regular lightning? Like it drains life-force but isn’t an actual “electrical” thing?
    =
    While I disagree with the notion that Starkiller would throw Venom (even if he gets wings, he can’t move in space, guyz) into space , I still think the TK provides Starkiller with a great advantage, as it allows him to take out most if not all of Venom’s options.

  63. Friendlysociopath July 17, 2015 at 11:57 pm -      #63

    I still think the TK provides Starkiller with a great advantage, as it allows him to take out most if not all of Venom’s options.

    Except bullets and lases, I’ve heard Flash Venom has both; those might be a nasty problem for Starkiller.

  64. Nsl98 July 18, 2015 at 12:01 am -      #64

    Venom has lots of guns:
    i.imgur.com/oXUG9.jpg

  65. Aelfinn July 18, 2015 at 12:02 am -      #65

    “Except bullets and lases, I’ve heard Flash Venom has both; those might be a nasty problem for Starkiller”

    Lasers? Must have forgotten about them. But I feel like Starkiller isn’t so far behind Venom’s RT that he can’t get off at least one force push before bullets get to him.

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