Kenshin Himura Vs Al’Lan Mandragoran

Kenshin Himura Vs Al'Lan Mandragoran

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Himura Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin) vs Al’Lan Mandragoran (WOT)

The fight takes place in Kyoto. Lan is at his end of the series incarnation. Kenshin is at his strongest incarnation, and had no issues with killing. Both are fully rested and have no foreknowledge of each other.

Who will win?

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38 Comments on "Kenshin Himura Vs Al’Lan Mandragoran"

  1. Nsl98 July 5, 2015 at 12:06 am -      #1

    First, who the heck is OP?

    Second, initially with Lan. The dude is insane, and the (fairly) recent calcs Aelfinn made for Lan are my reasons why.

  2. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 12:36 am -      #2

    “First, who the heck is OP?”

    You know, its ol’ Oforjigha-Dim Chijindu. Remember, that person that did the thing that one time.
    ===
    Kenshin
    youtu.be/VgYxZvrPfFU
    1:48 crosses a distance and draws blade before sweat hits the floor.

  3. Aelfinn July 5, 2015 at 1:10 am -      #3

    Lan has crossed a room with enough speed to block an attack mid-swing, and to onlookers it appeared as if “he hadn’t bothered with the intervening space”. I believe I calced that to about 68 miles per hour, ignoring the whole “flash step” aspect of it.

    He also regularly defeats creatures who should be able to swing their sword in around 0.09 seconds or something like that.

    Lan can take wounds that would kill a man and keep fighting, has enhanced stamina, and he is entirely willing to let himself be nigh-mortally wonded in order to get off the killing blow. Not to mention that he has an auto-correcting camouflage cloak that works in any environment, and has defeated six assassins all sent to kill him at once.

  4. Xornell July 5, 2015 at 1:13 am -      #4

    Good points, guys. But Kenshin is anime, soo.

  5. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 1:50 am -      #5

    “Good points, guys. But Kenshin is anime, soo.”

    Anime apparently is the Batman with prep of media.
    ===
    Kenshin vs guy who moves fast enough he seems to teleport. And not just standard anime flair, it is noted in-universe.
    youtu.be/LpNuYcPDXZc
    3:44 quickdraw

    youtu.be/ZvY1SLw5ZKw
    3:15 knocks a guy through a wall
    4:28-4:58 agility

  6. Rookie July 5, 2015 at 2:45 am -      #6

    I’l side with Kenshin for now.

  7. Nsl98 July 5, 2015 at 8:42 am -      #7

    @Lowk
    You know, its ol’ Oforjigha-Dim Chijindu. Remember, that person that did the thing that one time.

    Oh yeah! The dude that did the thing at the place? That guy? I like that guy, he’s pretty fly.

    People can’t follow when Lan fights:
    Master Lan was a whirlwind with that sword of his. His sword? The man himself is a weapon, and in ten places at once, or so it seemed. Burn me, but I still wouldn’t believe it if I couldn’t step outside and see . . .
    -Eye of the World

    Speed:
    Lan was fully clothed—Perrin would have bet the Warder had not slept—and he flung himself among the Trollocs as if his wool were armor. He seemed to dance from one to another, man and sword flowing like water or wind, and where the Warder danced, Trollocs screamed and died.
    -Dragon Reborn

  8. Aelfinn July 5, 2015 at 2:16 pm -      #8

    Context: Mat is sick with the evil created by a dagger, and Moiraine is trying to help him.

    “Slowly she put one hand on him, lightly, on a knee drawn up to his chest. A convulsion shook him at her touch, a shudder of revulsion spasming throughout his entire body, and abruptly he pulled one hand out, slashing at her face with the ruby-hilted dagger.
    One minute Lan was in the doorway, the next he was at the bedside, as if he had not bothered with the intervening space. His hand caught Mat’s wrist, stopping the slash as if it had struck stone. Still Mat held himself in that tight ball. Only the hand with the dagger tried to move, straining against the Warder’s implacable grip. Mat’s eyes never left Moiraine, and they burned with hate.

    Tendons stood out on the back of his hand from the effort of holding Mat’s wrist…”

    Eye of the World, pg. 631
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    Lan vs Demandred:
    “Lan cantered his steed along the eastern slope of the Heights, alone now, past the soldiers, past the Shadowspawn. He was one with the breeze that streamed through his hair, one with the sinewy animal beneath him that carried him forward, one with the target that was his destination, his fate.
    Demandred stood at the sound of the hoofbeats, his Sharan companions rising in front of him.
    With a roar, Lan heeled Mandarb into the Sharans that blocked his path. The stallion leaped, front legs driving the guards before him into the ground. Mandarb wheeled around, his haunches knocking down more Sharans, his forelegs coming down on yet others.
    Lan threw himself from the saddle—Mandarb had no protection against channeling, and so to fight from horseback would be to invite Demandred to kill his mount —and hit the ground at a run, sword out.
    “Another one?” Demandred roared. “Lews Therin, you are beginning to—”
    He cut off as Lan reached him and flung himself into Thistledown Floats on the Whirlwind, a tempestuous, offensive sword form. Demandred whipped his sword up, catching the blow on his weapon and skidding backward a step at the force of it. They exchanged three blows, quick as cracks of lightning, Lan still in motion until the last blow caught Demandred on the cheek. Lan felt a slight tug, and a blood sprayed into the air.
    Demandred felt at the wound in his cheek, and his eyes opened wider. “Who are you!” Demandred asked.
    “I am the man who will kill you.”
    Lan held nothing back.
    He did not fight as he had trained Rand to fight. No careful testing, no judging the terrain, no careful evaluation. Demandred could channel, and despite the medallion, Lan couldn’t give his enemy time to think, time to weave and hurl rocks at him or open the ground beneath him.
    Lan burrowed deeply into the void, allowing instincts to guide him. He went beyond lack of emotions, burning away everything. He did not need to judge the terrain, for he felt the land as if it were part of him. He did not need to test Demandred’s strength. One of the Forsaken, with many decades of experience, would be the most skilled swordsman Lan had ever faced.
    Lan was vaguely aware of the Sharans spreading out to make a broad circle around the two combatants as they fought. Apparently Demandred was confident enough of his skills that he did not allow interference from others.
    Lan spun into a sequence of attacks. Water Flows Downhill became Whirlwind on the Mountain which became Hawk Dives into the Brush. His forms were like streams blending into a larger and larger river.
    Demandred fought as well as Lan had feared. Though the man’s forms were slightly different from those Lan knew, the years had not changed the nature of a swordfight.
    “You are… good…” Demandred said with a grunt, falling back before Wind and Rain, a line of blood dripping from his chin. Lan’s sword flashed in the air, reflecting the red light of a bonfire nearby.
    Demandred came back with Striking the Spark, which Lan anticipated, countering. He took a scratch along the side, but ignored it. The exchange set Lan back a step, and gave Demandred the chance to pick up a rock with the One Power and hurl it at Lan.
    Deep within the void, Lan felt the stone coming. It was an understanding of the fight—one that ran deeply into him, to the very core of his soul. The way Demandred stepped, the direction his eyes flickered, told Lan exactly what was coming.
    As he flowed into his next sword form, Lan brought his weapon up across his chest and stepped backward. A stone the size of a man’s head passed directly in front of him. Lan flowed forward, arm moving into his next form as another stone flew under his arm, tugging wind with it. Lan raised his sword and flowed around the path of a third stone, which missed him by a thumb’s width, rippling his
    clothing.
    Demandred blocked Lan’s attack, but he breathed hoarsely. “Who are you?” Demandred whispered again. “No one of this Age has such skill. Asmodean? No, no. He couldn’t have fought me like this. Lews Therin? It is you behind that face, isn’t it?”
    “I am just a man,” Lan whispered. “That is all I have ever been.”
    Demandred growled, then launched an attack. Lan responded with Stones Falling Down the Mountain, but Demandred’s fury forced him back a few steps.
    Despite Lan’s initial offensive, Demandred was the better swordsman. Lan knew this by the same sense that told him when to strike, when to parry, when to step and when to withdraw. Perhaps if they had come to the fight evenly, it would be different. They had not. Lan had been fighting for an entire day, and though he’d been Healed from his worst wounds, the smaller ones still ached. Beyond that, a Healing in and of itself was draining.
    Demandred was still fresh. The Forsaken stopped talking and engrossed himself in the duel. He also stopped using the One Power, focused only on his swordplay. He did not grin as he took the advantage. He did not seem like a man who grinned very often.
    Lan slipped away from Demandred, but the Forsaken pressed forward with Boar Rushes Down the Mountain, again pushing Lan back to the perimeter of the circle, battering at his defenses, cutting him on the arm, then the shoulder, then finally the thigh.
    I’ve only time for one last lesson…
    “I have you,” Demandred finally growled, breathing heavily. “Whoever you are, I have you. You cannot win.”
    “You didn’t listen to me,” Lan whispered.
    One last lesson. The hardest…
    Demandred struck, and Lan saw his opening. Lan lunged forward, placing Demandred’s sword point against his own side and ramming himself forward onto it.
    “I did not come here to win,” Lan whispered, smiling. “I came here to kill you. Death is lighter than a feather.”
    Demandred’s eyes opened wide, and he tried to pull back. Too late. Lan’s sword took him straight through the throat.
    The world grew dark as Lan slipped backward off the sword. He felt Nynaeve’s fear and pain as he did, and he sent his love to her.”

    -A Memory of Light

  9. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 2:58 pm -      #9

    So this is after the fight against the last guy
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKTd98KbDYw
    0:00-0:08 blast a guy through a wall with the pommel of his sword.
    6:14-7:28 making vacuums and shit with his strike
    16:22-16:26 blocks a strike that creates a shockwave

  10. Xornell July 5, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #10

    Didn’t Kenshin also slice through a concrete pillar or something perfectly? And dodge gatling gun shots?

  11. twillydestroyer July 5, 2015 at 4:06 pm -      #11

    Here Kenshin cuts a radish to test a knife made by the son of the man who made his reverse blade sword. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WFgIntgsIE They explain that he cuts the radish so precisely that it doesn’t interfere with it’s molecular structure so he can put it back together as if it wasn’t cut.

  12. PrimusxPilus July 6, 2015 at 1:31 am -      #12

    Following

  13. TrialofFire July 6, 2015 at 3:33 am -      #13

    @Aelfinn PLEASE STAHP QUOTING THAT SECTION YOU MAKE ME WANT TO REREAD THE ENTIRE SERIOUSLY EVER TIME YOU POST THAT.

    Lan also has feats like smacking two grasshoppers in the air in one stroke of a sword while they’re behind his back without looking.


    “A more than warm breeze stirred, ruffling the dead leaves that carpeted the ground, and with shocking suddenness, Lan was moving, shifting from stance to stance, blade a whirling blur in his hands. Faster and faster, till he seemed to sprint from one to the next, yet all as precise as the movements of a clock. She waited for him to stop, or at least slow, but he did not. Faster. Areina’s mouth slowly dropped open, eyes going wide with awe, and for that matter, so did Nicola’s. They leaned forward, children watching candy set to dry on the kitchen table. Even the other Warders really divided their attention between their Aes Sedai and him now, but in contrast to the two women, they watched a lion that might charge any moment.”
    -A Crown of Swords

    A minute or two of conversation between other people later:

    “Lan still had not slowed. Two grasshoppers whirred up from the leaves behind him, and he spun, sword flicking them out of the air without a pause.”
    -A Crown of Swords

    “”Six men were striding across the otherwise empty yard. Six ordinary men with swords at their belts, like any men on any street in the city. Yet Lan knew before their hands moved, before their eyes focused on him and their steps quickened. He had faced too many men who wanted to kill him not to know. And at his side stood Bukama, bound by oaths that would not let him raise a hand even had he been wearing his blade. If they both tried to get back inside the stable, the men would be on them before they could haul the doors shut. Time slowed, flowed like cool honey. “Inside and bar the doors!” Lan snapped as his hand went to his hilt. “Obey me, armsman!” Never in his life had he given Bukama a command in that fashion, and the man hesitated a heartbeat, then bowed formally. “My life is yours, Dai Shan,” he said in a thick voice. “I obey.” As Lan moved forward to meet his attackers, he heard the bar drop inside with a muffled thud. Relief was distant. He floated in ko’di, one with the sword that came smoothly out of its scabbard. One with the men rushing at him, boots thudding on the hard-packed ground as they bared steel.
    A lean heron of a fellow darted ahead of the others, and Lan danced the forms. Time like cool honey. The greylark sang, and the lean man shrieked as Cutting the Clouds removed his right hand at the wrist, and Lan flowed to one side so the rest could not all come at him together, flowed from form to form. Soft Rain at Sunset laid open a fat man’s face, took his left eye, and a ginger-haired young splinter drew a gash across Lan’s ribs with Black Pebbles on Snow. Only in stories did one man face six without injury. The Rose Unfolds sliced down a bald man’s left arm, and ginger-hair nicked the corner of Lan’s eye. Only in stories did one man face six and survive. He had known that from the start. Duty was a mountain, death a feather, and his duty was to Bukama, who had carried an infant on his back. For this moment he lived, though, so he fought, kicking ginger-hair in the head, dancing his way towards death, danced and took wounds, bled and danced the razor’s edge of life. Time like cool honey, flowing from form to form, and there could only be one ending. Thought was distant. Death was a feather. Dandelion in the Wind slashed open the now one-eyed fat man’s throat – he had barely paused when his face was ruined – a fork-bearded fellow with shoulders like a blacksmith gasped in surprise as Kissing the Adder put Lan’s steel through his heart. And suddenly Lan realized that he alone stood, with six men sprawled across the width of the stableyard. The ginger-haired youth thrashed his heels on the ground one last time, and then only Lan of the seven still breathed. He shook blood from his blade, bent to wipe the last drops off on the blacksmith’s too-fine coat, sheathed his sword as formally as if he were in the training yard under Bukama’s eye. Abruptly people flooded out of the inn, cooks and stablemen, maids and patrons shouting to know what all the noise was about, staring at the dead men in astonishment. Ryne was the very first, sword already in hand, his face blank as he came to stand by Lan. “Six,” he muttered, studying the bodies. “You really do have the Dark One’s own flaming luck.””
    -New Spring

    Thanks to Galorian for finding these quotes. I’d do I myself but these were already there.

    I’m siding with Lan here but I think I’m biased. I don’t actually know anything about that other guy. I’m just tossing feats in.

  14. TrialofFire July 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm -      #14

    And that last quote from A New Spring is before Lan became a Warder and received enhanced strength, speed and reflexes.

    And here’s a badass background for you guys:

    _

    ““Only five of the Bodyguards reached Fal Moran alive, every man wounded, but they had the child unharmed. From the cradle they taught him all they knew. He learned weapons as other children learn toys, and the Blight as other children their mother’s garden. The oath sworn over his cradle is graven in his mind. There is nothing left to defend, but he can avenge. He denies his titles, yet in the Borderlands he is called the Uncrowned, and if ever he raised the Golden Crane of Malkier, an army would come to follow. But he will not lead men to their deaths. In the Blight he courts death as a suitor courts a maiden, but he will not lead others to it.
    “If you must enter the Blight, and with only a few, there is no man better to take you there, nor to bring you safely out again. He is the best of the Warders, and that means the best of the best. You might as well leave these boys here, to gain a little seasoning, and put your entire trust in Lan. The Blight is no place for untried boys.””
    -The Eye of the World

  15. Aelfinn July 7, 2015 at 1:25 am -      #15

    “PLEASE STAHP QUOTING THAT SECTION YOU MAKE ME WANT TO REREAD THE ENTIRE SERIOUSLY EVER TIME YOU POST THAT.


    Lol well guess what…I’m re-reading the series right now.
    =
    =
    Anyway, as much as it pains me, it seems like Kenshin has the advantage in this fight, particularly with the “make a vacuum with his sword-swing” going on. Of course, from what I hear, Kenshin uses his opponents’ emotions in order to figure out where they’ll strike. Like if they don’t have emotions, he’s greatly hindered. Lan’s style of fighting requires him to absolutely not have any emotions, so that’s one kind of an advantage.

  16. Xornell July 7, 2015 at 2:24 am -      #16

    17:05
    If it’s any help, Sanosuke can disintegrate boulders by punching them.


    And Shishio no-sold or just fucking ate his punches.

    And Kenshin was able to damage Shishio with his sword. Using this ABC logic, Kenshin has one fuck of a swing.
    This is math.

  17. jesusfreak155 July 7, 2015 at 3:01 am -      #17

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!! It got posted. I’ll just watch the comments now. I’m really new on BankGambling and I mostly read the comments without commenting myself….

  18. jesusfreak155 July 7, 2015 at 3:14 am -      #18

    :-)

  19. TrialofFire July 7, 2015 at 8:13 am -      #19

    “Lol well guess what…I’m re-reading the series right now.”

    I have found that post 3 times… who needs a job when you hat WoT?

    Also I think it’s worth mentioning that Lan is the only Wetlander to earn the respect of the Aiel. The Aiel are a people who absolutely loathe anyone who uses a sword, yet Lan is so badass they respect his sword-wielding prowess.

    Also I think it’s also worth mentioning that his fight with Demandred involved him fighting a better swordsmen while dodging stones being thrown at him by a magic he couldn’t detect without interrupting his sword form like some matrix stuff. He was also exhausted from fighting Fades all day long and already multiple cuts and bruises, running on nearly no sleep for the past few days, while Demandred was completely fresh and rested.

    Lan’s style of fighting requires him to absolutely not have any emotions, so that’s one kind of an advantage.

    I feel like Lan only had two emotions the entire series, not just when fighting: rage at Moiraine’s death and his love of Nynaeve xD

  20. Aelfinn July 8, 2015 at 12:13 am -      #20

    “Using this ABC logic, Kenshin has one fuck of a swing.”

    Game over, guys, Kenshin is at Fuck-Swing+
    =
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    In order for Lan to win, he’d have to recognize that Kenshin is superior to him in many regards, including possibly speed and strength. Lan would then have to come to the conclusion that he’d have to Sheath the Sword, AKA let himself get fucking stabbed. If Lan does not die from the blow, he should be able to get off a good ol’ decapitation strike

    Is Lan good enough to hold his own long enough to get this to happen? He has fought superhumanly fast and strong creatures before, and his lack of emotion means Kenshin is gonna have a tougher time in the fight. This thing’s right on the razor’s edge, just where they like it, and I’m not sure who comes out alive.

  21. Limbo Lowk July 8, 2015 at 12:47 am -      #21

    “Game over, guys, Kenshin is at Fuck-Swing+”

    I am glad I decided not to drink the water sitting next to me. I don’t think my computer would’ve handled the spit take too well.
    ===
    So how precise were Gatling guns supposed to be back then.

  22. Xornell July 8, 2015 at 1:09 am -      #22

    “Game over, guys, Kenshin is at Fuck-Swing+”

    GG boys no re mistakes were made.

  23. Aelfinn July 9, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #23

    Did the guy with the Gatling Gun just suck? That’s an interesting clip, because it doesn’t show him dodging or blocking them, but you’d have to assume some would have been on-target.

    But yeah, for now, I have to give Kenshin the advantage. He’s just blatantly super-human. (Even though I think Lan’s the better swordsman, if that makes sense).
    =
    GG boys no re mistakes were made.

    I raise my goblet of Mountain Dew to you.

  24. Ninja Lowk July 9, 2015 at 1:04 am -      #24

    “Did the guy with the Gatling Gun just suck?”

    See that’s why I would hesitate to use that as a feat.
    ===
    Here’s a slightly more realistic fight cuz I wanted to get it off my dash.
    Kenshin having to fight a guy without his sword. Shows some agility and quick thinking.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5_9z2vhNko
    1:26-1:44 blocks feint then dodges an attack inches from his face
    2:12-2:28 block double sword via inbetween the spaces, break it and strikes.
    4:15 bullshit whip blade
    5:15-5:29 deflects with his sheath and dodges with an injured leg
    6:56-7:08 Stops the redirect blade using broken sword
    7:31-7:40 uses broken sheath to catch whip blade to get in close
    10:14-10:45 By the power of murder, I have the power(Dodges strike from the front, then from behind)
    ===
    (Even though I think Lan’s the better swordsman, if that makes sense).

    Sometimes superhuman factor adds just enough or more to overcome the skill factor.
    Like Spiderman vs Batman
    Or Raiden vs Sam… or most street level characters with swords.

  25. Xornell July 9, 2015 at 1:23 am -      #25

    I was also going to post the gatling gun scene, but it actually seems like plot saved Kenshin since the gun jammed before Kenshin closed in.

    “I raise my goblet of Mountain Dew to you.”

    *tip*


    Also for the record, the superhuman silliness kind of ruined the show for me, despite it being one of the only animes I’ve watched. That radish bullshit especially.

  26. Alpha or Omega July 9, 2015 at 1:42 am -      #26

    Isn’t Kenshin’s sword specifically non-lethal or to prevent cutting or something?
    I mean, after he got that new sword fighting that sword whip guy Lowk posted, he didn’t kill that guy…Or anybody after his first gal got killed.
    /
    Last time I read the manga, he used that most deadly secret skill that’s meant to kill taught by his master…on his master.
    And he survived because the sword wasn’t meant to kill (though he did cut that radish at bs anime levels. Was that in the manga?).
    Granted, his master did pass out, but he received no medical treatment unless you count rice wine being poured on his wounds.
    /
    I’m not saying Kenshin can’t kill him, I’m saying that it’ll be harder for Kenshin to kill.
    /
    @Lowk
    “Sometimes superhuman factor adds just enough or more to overcome the skill factor.
    Like Spiderman vs Batman”
    /
    That might be debatable if only by skill.
    Can I point out that Spiderman has trained with Shang Chi and the like?
    Even prior to Spider-Island event where Spiderman got his spider powers back, he had Batman-esque tech and could dodge bullets.
    His way-of-the-spider is a martial art that Batman doesn’t know and utilizes Spidey’s skill with his physical abilities and webbing.
    He has experience dealing with someone like Batman(Green Goblin) and has been a Batman-esque character before(without billionaire playboy part)
    /
    “Or Raiden vs Sam…”
    /
    With the things Mea picked up, I am pretty sure if we revived the debate, it will go poorly for Raiden.
    The only thing different was the yield, and that is still enough to kill Raiden.
    /
    “or most street level characters with swords.”
    /
    I think Raiden would be high street leveler or low metahuman.
    Don’t really keep up with how rank is nowadays.
    /
    @Aelfinn
    “I raise my goblet of Mountain Dew to you.”
    /
    8/8 Ign “Needs more Doritos”

  27. Ninja Lowk July 9, 2015 at 2:06 am -      #27

    @Alpha I was just speaking on a skill level, not a gadgets one.
    ===
    “The only thing different was the yield, and that is still enough to kill Raiden.”

    I meant Jetstream Sam. Cuz he was less enhanced then Raiden but more skilled.

  28. Alpha or Omega July 9, 2015 at 3:05 am -      #28

    @Lowk
    “I was just speaking on a skill level, not a gadgets one.”
    /
    Which is why I mentioned that when he was without spider powers, he trained with Shang-Chi.
    This is how he came up with his own martial art, the way of the spider.
    img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150412204301/marveldatabase/images/e/ef/Spider-Man_defeating_spider-woman.png
    This allowed him to beat Spider-woman who’s also experience and skillful aside from being a fellow superhuman as well.
    Something Bruce never studied.
    Edit: Actually, I’m not sure if he still uses it after regaining his body from Doc Ock, but its possible.
    /
    Wouldn’t experience and gadgets be part of skill?
    You would still need some sort of expertise with them. You don’t just throw a batarang and expect it to hit someone(except the guided or remote controlled ones).
    Spiderman has dealt with people with similar gadgets and beaten them.
    Spidey has dealt with something similar to batarangs(dodging or webbing them), smoke grenades or gas bombs(stayed conscious if hit, got out of range, or webbed them), or electricity(plain out tanked it, webbing actually is insulated, or webbed himself).
    /
    However, the closest person I can think Bruce fought was Black Spider(50% Spiderman) and that was before N52 happened.
    /
    “I meant Jetstream Sam. Cuz he was less enhanced then Raiden but more skilled.”
    /
    My bad. Sorry.
    Pretty much everyone has “Sam” though.

  29. Ninja Lowk July 9, 2015 at 3:26 am -      #29

    “Wouldn’t experience and gadgets be part of skill?”

    Yeah that was my bad, I should’ve been clearer. I meant melee wise. Hand to hand stuff.
    ===
    “Which is why I mentioned that when he was without spider powers, he trained with Shang-Chi.”

    Do you think
    A guy who recently formed his martial arts due to a few months of training
    -is more then-
    The guy that has mastered a hundred plus martial arts throughout his years and continuously hones his skill in them ?
    ===
    “Something Bruce never studied.”

    Bats has mastered even more styles that spider-man has not studied.

  30. Alpha or Omega July 9, 2015 at 4:09 am -      #30

    “Yeah that was my bad, I should’ve been clearer. I meant melee wise. Hand to hand stuff.”
    /
    Welp, then my argument based on skill falls apart then since it referred to a bunch of skills.
    /
    “Do you think
    A guy who recently formed his martial arts due to a few months of training”
    /
    Said guy pulled his training with one of the most famous martial artists. And he didn’t have a few months of training. He proceeded to use it for at least one year from Spider Island arc to Ends of the Earth arc(at least one year) before being taken by Ock.
    /
    “-is more then-
    The guy that has mastered a hundred plus martial arts throughout his years and continuously hones his skill in them ?”
    /
    I was combining his martial art that Bruce doesn’t know and Spiderman’s experience/expertise with people similar to Batman, then yes.
    If we are just referring to hand-to-hand at this point, then I will concede.
    I was referring to skill and didn’t know you were referring to simply hand to hand.
    /
    “Bats has mastered even more styles that spider-man has not studied.”
    /
    N52 or before?
    I do recall that he did master all of them(though he did needed to be taught boxing by a boxer) before the Flashpoint event, but now?
    This is aside from the fact that Spiderman has dealt with heroes that have used various martial arts or hand to hand combat.
    /
    Off the top of my head.
    Spiderman has dealt with Wolverine, who has a few several hundred years.
    Wolverine has been to Japan and has sword play along with martial arts. He uses this with his claws to be devastating. Spiderman goes evenly with him, if not surpases Wolvie in close quarters combat while holding back.
    /
    Spiderman has stalemated and defeated Captain America who is not just a boxer. He knows some martial arts as well aside from training with the army.
    /
    Iron Fist needs no introduction.
    /
    He also fought Punisher a few times in hand to hand after he knocks away the gun. The Punisher was trained in the army as well and seems to be in his peak even after being dead.
    /
    I don’t remember if he fought Black Panther, Moon Knight, or Taskmaster in hand to hand though.
    /
    This was before Spiderman got the way of the spider by training with Shang Chi, one of the best martial artists.
    Sure, he does not know the same amount of martial arts as Batman, but he has fought several people with different and various forms of martial arts or hand to hand combat and has experience against them.
    I will concede that he loses in the hand to hand aspect, but Spiderman isn’t outclassed.

  31. Xornell July 9, 2015 at 12:57 pm -      #31

    “Isn’t Kenshin’s sword specifically non-lethal or to prevent cutting or something?”

    It can be lethal if you break a neck or something with it. It also has the sharp edge on the opposite side, hence the “reverse blade sword”. He has flipped it on a few occasions but stopped short of killing.

    “Granted, his master did pass out, but he received no medical treatment unless you count rice wine being poured on his wounds.”

    To be fair, his master is also superhuman in ability.







    And then Batman appeared for some raisin.

  32. Alpha or Omega July 9, 2015 at 4:07 pm -      #32

    “It can be lethal if you break a neck or something with it. It also has the sharp edge on the opposite side, hence the “reverse blade sword”. He has flipped it on a few occasions but stopped short of killing.”
    /
    Oh, I know, I did say that Kenshin can kill, it’ll just be harder.
    I know he can flip it, but the way the sword is curved and weighted, wouldn’t that affect his techniques a little when he flips sides?
    /
    “To be fair, his master is also superhuman in ability.”
    /
    Aye, that is true.
    His master did block a giant strike from that giant human who can destroy Japanese buildings with simple strikes IIRC.
    /
    “And then Batman appeared for some raisin.”
    /
    …Because when there’s a Spider, there’s also a Bat?

  33. Xornell July 9, 2015 at 4:16 pm -      #33

    “I know he can flip it, but the way the sword is curved and weighted, wouldn’t that affect his techniques a little when he flips sides?”

    You would think, but not really. He seems to perform just as well with the blade reversed. Probably just because not much thought went into physics for the series, honestly. Look at how silly that fucking radish shit was lmao.

    “His master did block a giant strike from that giant human who can destroy Japanese buildings with simple strikes IIRC.”

    Yeah that and he was portrayed as being as fast, if not faster, than Kenshin was. At least early on, anyway.



    “…Because when there’s a Spider, there’s also a Bat?”

    :^) Have I professed for everyone my dislike for Spiderman and Batman?

  34. Ninja Lowk July 9, 2015 at 4:24 pm -      #34

    “…Because when there’s a Spider, there’s also a Bat?”

    And now we know the tagline for a Spiderman batman crossover.
    ===
    “Have I professed for everyone my dislike for Spiderman and Batman?”

    You just jealous of their superhero swagga.

  35. Alpha or Omega July 9, 2015 at 4:40 pm -      #35

    I guess it’s all about that thug life.

  36. Nsl98 July 9, 2015 at 6:46 pm -      #36

    I guess it’s all about that bug life.

    ^Gotta throw in that Spidey jab.

    Also, any of you gents know of any good heroes for this?
    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=148726&p=436510#p436510

  37. Xornell July 9, 2015 at 7:35 pm -      #37

    “You just jealous of their superhero swagga.”

    What super? Batman’s just a fucked up dude. Spiderman I just don’t like :^)

    “Also, any of you gents know of any good heroes for this?”

    Superboy Prime. Ya know, before he went batshit crazy.
    If it’s just current maybe regular Superboy? Iunno.

  38. jesusfreak155 July 10, 2015 at 5:09 am -      #38

    Erm… In this fight, Kenshin has no issues with killing.
    I think I should add an alternate scenario where both Kenshin and Lan both discovered that they killed each other’s females i.e. Lan killed Kaoru, and Kenshin killed Nynaeve (even though I don’t think that’s possible with her channeling and all)

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