Space Marine Assault

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Suggested by Friendlysociopath

Scenario: Multiple reports have made their way through the Imperium, telling of a strange planet with beings of frightful xenos technology and psykers using their powers at will. Contact with the Inquisition teams has been lost after a few scattered messages and one scream. The Lamenters Chapter has been dispatched to the target city with orders to capture or destroy the enemy; FOR THE GOD EMPEROR!
Upon arriving near the indicated city- Tzeentch decided to give the Lamenters a little kick and broke all of the systems in the spaceship they came in, causing it to crash near their destination. The crew and everything they would use survived, but the spaceship and all spaceship associated weapons are beyond repair.
 
The Heroes will win if they can survive every Round of Space Marine attacks; either by holding out or killing all Lamenters.

The Space Marines will win if they can slay/capture every Hero.

Space Marines will not have vehicles until after specified round; they can use any vehicle they still have access to.
Lamenters will be given the numbers of a full Chapter (1,000) for this assault.


Location:
Gotham City- Heroes have a base in Arkham Asylum but are not required to remain within it or protect it; the base contains all of the ammo, weapons, and medical supplies for those who use them.

Heroes:
Raiden (Metal Gear)
Uryu Ishida (Bleach)
Commander Shepard (Mass Effect) -composite Shepard-
Hyoubu Kyousuke (Zettai Karen Children: Unlimited)

Round I
4 Scouts, 1 for each Hero

Round II
4 Tactical Marines, 1 for each Hero 

Round III
1 of each Squad: Scout, Devastator, Assault, and Tactical

Round IV
1 Battle Company

Round V
1 Battle Company + 1 Reserve Company (no dreadnoughts or vehicles)

Round VI
1 Battle Company + 1 Reserve Company (with dreadnoughts and vehicles)

Round VII
All Battle Companies 

Round VIII
All Battle Companies + All Reserve Companies

Round IX
Veteran Company (No psykers)

Round X
Veteran Company + Psykers (Librarian and whatnot)

Round XI
The entire Chapter (full-on assault from the ground and air)

Featured soundtrack (Seems appropriate): It Has to Be This Way
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IkwwngK2Ls

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208 Comments on "Space Marine Assault"

  1. pimpmage July 2, 2015 at 10:52 pm -      #101

    “Where did you get that description from? Doesn’t look like any description in or out of game I’ve seen.
    In game descriptions.”

    It overheats weapons. It says that in the power description I already posted. It is easy to say it overheats shields or synthetics too, causing them harm.

    “As of ME 3 they combined the tech. Becasue what’s worse then destroying the electronics that housing you, doing that AND directly blasting your nerves.
    Also possibly messing with any tech based weaponry.”

    You have yet to show any sort of limit of what that can do. Just because it works on ME races really well does not mean it works flawlessly on immortal genetically enhanced post-humans.

    “So would intense heat cook a bolter enough that the bullets inside it explode? cuz regular bullets can and I feel like the rapid fire grenade bullet launcher that are bolters might be… hazardous.”

    I’ve seen quotes of SM’s getting their clip shot, but I don’t remember if they survived or not. Besides. There is literally nothing electronic about bolters, unless they have any sort of addons, or aim assistance from the power armor. Its purely mechanical, and one of the most durable weapons in the 40k verse.

    “Well he could always use a sniper rifle to aim it from far away like I always did. ”

    Then shep will not have the range to use his biotic abilities, of which are not spammable.

    ” don’t think the emp effect of lightning is strong enough to causing machines to violently explode like overload can.”

    A lightning strike is not give a weak emp strike. Wiki states

    ” EMP interference is generally disruptive or damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures.”

    At lower levels, regular emp fries equipment. Lightning strikes are said to be more powerful than normal emp.

  2. Friendlysociopath July 2, 2015 at 10:58 pm -      #102

    Just because it works on ME races really well does not mean it works flawlessly on immortal genetically enhanced post-humans.

    It works on enhanced humans, human enhancements are a thing in Mass Effect. Works fine.
    Krogans canonically regen almost as fast as they can be hurt, it works on them too.

    There is literally nothing electronic about bolters

    There’s nothing electronic about explosive barrels either, just saying.

    Maybe a low tier WoT character

    Hmm, I don’t know any WoT characters that can’t use Balefire. And I don’t like banning stuff if I can help it- the only reason I banned spaceships is I didn’t think that was remotely fair, and because the 40K Empire wouldn’t want to waste a potential world just because it has a small pest problem.

  3. pimpmage July 2, 2015 at 11:05 pm -      #103

    “There’s nothing electronic about explosive barrels either, just saying.”

    I see a different explanation. We read of a very specific thing happening when weapons are effected. They overheat. The attack makes things hot. Explosive barrels could easily be effected with this explanation.

  4. Alpha or Omega July 2, 2015 at 11:16 pm -      #104

    “Not sure I’d believe that, those punches from Armstrong should be more than capable of far more force than a bullet.”
    /
    Dante once took a stomp from the Savior.
    A being more massive than Metal Gear Excelsus.
    Doesn’t stop Dante from getting bullet wounds or being impaled.

  5. Friendlysociopath July 2, 2015 at 11:18 pm -      #105

    Doesn’t stop Dante from getting bullet wounds or being impaled.

    Dante has also caught a bullet between his teeth; something that isn’t possible unless his teeth can take the force of the bullet.

  6. Alpha or Omega July 2, 2015 at 11:23 pm -      #106

    “Dante has also caught a bullet between his teeth; something that isn’t possible unless his teeth can take the force of the bullet.”
    /
    Yet, Lady shot a bullet and it went into Dante’s skull.
    This wasn’t even an armor piercing round or the like.
    He’s not bullet proof.
    /
    This is similar to catching a blade in fiction.
    You shouldn’t be able to stop a blade with you bear hands unless you are made of metal. Then, the blade catch is relatively pointless since your body is made out of metal.

  7. Ober's Here July 2, 2015 at 11:40 pm -      #107

    I guess we’re just kinda ignoring the various rounds and skipping to the full chapter? Because being honest, thats what matters.

  8. Limbo Lowk July 2, 2015 at 11:41 pm -      #108

    “It overheats weapons.”

    That after a certain rank and it is referring to ME weapons, most of which have some form of electronic device to help maintain the weapon.
    ===
    “You have yet to show any sort of limit of what that can do. Just because it works on ME races really well does not mean it works flawlessly on immortal genetically enhanced post-humans.”

    The limitation is that it requires a target to have nerves to begin with. Before they got lumped together Overload didn’t stun organics and neural shock didn’t work on synthetics.
    So
    -Do these immortal genetically enhanced post-humans have a nerves? If yes then it should work.
    Have they shown an ability defend and or resist against said ability? If no then it should work.

    It isn’t a matter of “ME races” it’s a matter of if someone has shown a resistance to this sort of attack or not having what it need to work in the first place.
    ===
    “There is literally nothing electronic about bolters, unless they have any sort of addons, or aim assistance from the power armor.”

    Oh no I was thinking of either sabatoge(the move that does specifically seem to cause weapons to overheat) or Incinerate with is a plasma ball that has the tendency to cook armor.
    ===
    “Then shep will not have the range to use his biotic abilities, of which are not spammable.”

    One you can use bitoics reach across the map as well. When I didn’t have overload I was using stasis.
    Second outside of gameplay biotics don’t really have a cool down. They are basically like TK except via playing with gravity. The only limit is the fortitude of the person using the ability. Some people can do multiple biotic display like Jack or Miranda other it takes a lot out of like Nick or that old teacher from the same book.
    ===
    “A lightning strike is not give a weak emp strike. ”

    What kind of “Damage” and is it because of the emp or the lightning directly hitting it because as I noted earlier even without the EMP effect lightning fucks up more then just electronics.

    I read of electronics dying or being cooked from a close lightning strike but never exploding to the point that it would be dangerous to other nearby.

  9. Friendlysociopath July 2, 2015 at 11:42 pm -      #109

    I just doubt that bullets are effective in Metal Gear Revengeance, most enemies don’t use guns against Raiden- they have batons, blades, rocket-launchers and such, they rarely have regular guns.

    I suppose you could call game mechanics on it, but Raiden loses very little health over being shot with a gun compared to being hit with… well, anything else.

    Because being honest, thats what matters.

    Yeah, overcompensated for possible 40K psykers by putting a monster on the field. And to think, Uryu has thus far barely been mentioned.

  10. Alpha or Omega July 2, 2015 at 11:57 pm -      #110

    @FriendlySociopath
    “I just doubt that bullets are effective in Metal Gear Revengeance, most enemies don’t use guns against Raiden- they have batons, blades, rocket-launchers and such, they rarely have regular guns.”
    /
    Actually, they do. When you’re too far, they pull out the rifles unless you’re the guy holding the rocket launcher, and those come far less than the enemies holding regular rifles.
    They only pull out a baton, kitana, or a machete if you’re like within 10 meters.
    /
    “I suppose you could call game mechanics on it, but Raiden loses very little health over being shot with a gun compared to being hit with… well, anything else.”
    /
    He’s still receiving bullet wounds when getting shot though since we see synthetic blood come from those attacks.
    However, that is still a good point.
    Raiden is pain tolerant and has shown to tolerate wounds in his older cyborg body. Even when suffering from huge amount of blood loss(though it took a while for him to recover).
    His newer body should be able to accept pain easily and even has a pain inhibitor…that he kinda turned off.

  11. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 12:01 am -      #111

    “has the tendency to cook armor.”

    Just tested it out. I didn’t look at the corpse long enough they disnetigrate into ash. Body combat suit and all.

  12. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 12:05 am -      #112

    “Yeah, overcompensated for possible 40K psykers by putting a monster on the field. And to think, Uryu has thus far barely been mentioned.”

    Haven’t had the time to look up feat for him. The guy arrow harms what pass for superhumans in the series but I haven’t really found a good feat.
    Side note. aside from the Caterpillar it tore through the ground leaving a gash the entire length of that street.
    ===
    “I guess we’re just kinda ignoring the various rounds and skipping to the full chapter? Because being honest, thats what matters.”

    Not really I think they’d make it up to maybe round 4 or 5 but I haven’t really taken the time to look at the teams psychic yet.

  13. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 12:06 am -      #113

    “I read of electronics dying or being cooked from a close lightning strike but never exploding to the point that it would be dangerous to other nearby.”

    Read these passages:

    “Giant forks of lightning, savage and yellow-white phosphorescent, were searing down into the open space, explosively scorching the earth. Though each fork only existed for a nanosecond, they seemed solid and real, like fundamental, physical structures, like upturned, thorny trees. Three Astartes, including Lucius, were struck. Secure in their Mark IV plate, they shrugged off the massive, detonating impacts and laughed as aftershock electrical blooms crackled like garlands of blue wire around their armour for a few seconds.” / Horus Rising, p.370

    The storm above grew still more ferocious. Five more men were struck. One of them, Ulzoras, was actually knocked off his feet. They saw fused, glassy craters in the ground where lightning had earthed with the force of penetrator missiles. The shield-storm seemed to be pressing down on them, like a lid across the sky, pressurising the air, and squeezing them in an atmospheric vice.” Horus Rising, p.371 –

    And for details, a penetrator missile is refering to ones used by fighter pilots in air to air combat in 40k.

  14. Ober's Here July 3, 2015 at 12:19 am -      #114

    So are there any specific books about the Lamenters? I know their story and why only two or so still exist, and they have done some pretty crazy shit despite being fucked over by almost every faction, so they are probably one of the most dangerous Space Marine chapters in my book.

    But are there are specific references to them outside of general outlines of their history and such?

  15. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #115

    Not really I think they’d make it up to maybe round 4 or 5 but I haven’t really taken the time to look at the teams psychic yet.

    He’s pretty good, I’ve got videos of some of his best stuff in post #13… huh, what happened to the Venice clip? I just copy-pasted from the respect threat, video works fine? Ah well, reposting Venice at least.


    Also… I thought he was “balanced” because he can’t use his powers for too long before he starts clutching at his chest and getting weak… I forgot that he gets a blood transfusion at the end of the series that fixes him. So Hyoubu isn’t going to just get tired as the battle progresses like I originally thought. That one is officially my bad.

  16. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 12:23 am -      #116

    “But are there are specific references to them outside of general outlines of their history and such?”

    In the second blood angels omnibus, all sucessor chapters were called to baal to make a decision on weither the blood angels would continue existing, or be broken between all successor chapters. The Lamenters never responded, and everyone remarked upon their dire fates. They left a placeholder in honor of their chapter at the meeting room.

  17. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 12:39 am -      #117

    SO I found this.
    Codex “Angels of Death” (2nd ed.), page 8:

    “On its own a suit of power armour weighs over 250 lbs, and even a Space Marine would find it difficult to move while wearing it were not for the electrically motivated fibre bundles implanted in the armour. These fibre bundles replicate the wearer’s movements, and allow him to move about easily and freely. In addition, most suits of power armour include a gravitic energy damper which effectively reduces the weight and inertia of the suit to the same level as that of a normal human being.”

    So at least Shepard can make them uncomfortable.

  18. Epicazeroth July 3, 2015 at 1:03 am -      #118

    @Lowk: If Shep can fry the fibre bundles and energy damper, it sounds more like she could make them unable to move. Especially combined with her own gravity manipulation.

  19. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 7:42 am -      #119

    “@Lowk: If Shep can fry the fibre bundles and energy damper, it sounds more like she could make them unable to move. Especially combined with her own gravity manipulation.”

    Except for she cannot fry their equipment. Power armor has already shown to be able to resist powerful emp effects from lightning strikes. Lightning strikes possibly more powerful than irl strikes if anyone tries to calc the descriptions.

  20. shaun182 July 3, 2015 at 8:04 am -      #120

    Ceramite is designed to withstand heat and pressure, that’s what makes it so effective against energy weapons such as lasrifles, wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ceramite

    so it would rob lightning of lot of its destructive force, whilst the electrical discharge may damage or destroy the electrical components in the armour, a marine can still move in powerless armour, just not with the strength or speed they usually possess, but due to their advanced physiology still several times greater than a baseline human.

    Add the fact the armour facing extreme environmental conditions, they operate in the void of space, so extreme changes in temperature, is standard with this type of armour.

  21. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 10:47 am -      #121

    Hey Pimp, question, do they have any sort of artillery in 40K? Like mortars and such? I’ve always wondered and never really asked, I assumed they just used tanks instead.

    Just to be crystal clear, round 6 gives them access to all vehicles, both ground and air; they don’t need to wait for round 11 to have Thunderhawks and so on.

    Grr, stupid Deathbattle people making me remember Cloud vs Link…

  22. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 11:32 am -      #122

    They could have any number of different mortar tanks. Not ones that strike from a dozen miles away, but like city fighting tanks that demolish buildings in single shots.

    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vindicator

  23. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 11:56 am -      #123

    So in his earlier years where he was more youthful, Hyoubu was much more free with his hypnosis; not only illusions, but outright mind control to force people to speak and act how he wanted them to.

    Also, the main detective who keeps trying to shoot Hyoubu has his pistol, consistently, turned into a water gun whenever he pulls it on Hyoubu. It doesn’t just look like a water gun, it IS a water gun. I’m not sure whether that’s precise teleportation or just constantly forcing the detective to forget it’s a water gun- I’m betting on the former.

    Hyoubu is also a fantastic shot btw, he was able to shoot a pilot in a jet with a single shot rifle while both were flying around in the sky at top speeds.
    This is the jet he was dealing with
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero

  24. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 12:52 pm -      #124

    “Except for she cannot fry their equipment. Power armor has already shown to be able to resist powerful emp effects from lightning strikes.”

    And the Pulse is of overload is notabley more powerful by being capable of making thing explode on via emp effect alone. Resisting one emp event doesn’t make you immune to all emp type attack. Especially when disruptor ammo gives her the the ability to fire multiple at the rate of a submachine gun.

  25. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #125

    That’s the problem, space marines have been shown to no sell stronger emp’s. Not recover from them fast, literally not even effect their electronics whatsoever. Saying ME tech explodes with emp presence might just show their complete weakness and vulnerability to such a thing. Maybe ME tech explodes extremely easily. Maybe that overload feat goes to how how weak ME stuff is in general.

    I have already posted a quote showing a SM getting struck by lightning with such force that there was an impact crater comparable to that of a 40k fighter jet’s missile. And then the SMS just laugh of the effects completely.

  26. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 1:43 pm -      #126

    Not recover from them fast, literally not even effect their electronics whatsoever.

    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/EMP_Grenade
    Apparently that is not always the case.

  27. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 2:06 pm -      #127

    That article says powered armor. Space marines are not the only faction to use that tech. Sisters of battle make extensive use of a more primitive type of power armor. Same with the inquisition . Space marine power armor is one of the oldest and most complicated tech in existence. Every other form in use for any other faction are poor facsimiles.

  28. shaun182 July 3, 2015 at 2:26 pm -      #128

    Most imperial armour is very similar in its abilities, it of course does vary depending on which version/mark armour you possess, but the one of the main differences between a regular human and astrates wearing it, is the black carapace which gives the marine a deeper and more instinctual connection to the armour.

    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Carapace

  29. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 2:47 pm -      #129

    That article says powered armor.

    Space Marines wear powered armor. EMPs apparently work on powered armor according to the codex.

    You have one feat that says they could withstand EMP, the source of that feat is magic lightning that isn’t like normal lightning or an EMP. Though for the sake of argument, let’s say it is.

    We have a codex entry that says EMPs have not just a small effect, but “play havoc with the internal systems of powered armour and vehicles… enough to at the very least disable them temporarily, or, more often than not, cause some form of catastrophic failure in a system”.

    Are there other feats of them dealing with EMPs to tip the scale one way or another?

  30. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm -      #130

    Shaun you left out tons of details. Not on purpose, I’m sure. The most common type of power armor in existence was created 4000 years after the beginning of the great crusade. That is the sister of battle variant. The technological decline over 4000 years would rate any modern suits far worse in quality than astartes power armor.

    “the source of that feat is magic lightning that isn’t like normal lightning or an EMP.”

    The feat from that book is NOT magic lightning. I have absolutely no clue how you came to thing that. The t
    race of the planet from the quote used unknown tech to force the atmosphere to strike at enemy combatants. It’s purely natural.

  31. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 2:59 pm -      #131

    “That’s the problem,  space marines have been shown to no sell stronger emp’s.  Not recover from them fast,  literally not even effect their electronics whatsoever.”

    When did you do that? You provided there armor can take a hit from lightning that has little in the way of any evidence that the emp effect of it was stronger. Lightning hits hard regardless of the emp effect. 
    =
    “Saying ME tech explodes with emp presence might just show their complete weakness and vulnerability to such a thing.”

    Considering thier tech can take multiple hit to from lower level emps, even the machines can keep on operating, and at no point does it does lable any level of the emp as “weak”(actually use the term massive energy) I’d say they are hardened.

    Besides that he can dishout a barrage of powerful emps in the form of bullets so even with a high resistance shep can still hammer away at the rate of a high rate of fire weapon from a distance.
    ===
    “I have already posted a quote showing a SM getting struck  by lightning with such force that there was an impact crater comparable to that of a 40k fighter jet’s missile.”

    And did it state how powerful the emp effect of it was? Was the emp effect mentioned?
    I’ve noted how powerful ME’s is but all you’ve shown is a durability feat, which while impressive as fuck; isn’t giving any info the emp effect.
    Doesn’t emp specific weaponry exist in 40k? Any feats against agianst those?
    ===
    And on another note nerve attack that permenant effect your accuracy. It may not be as crippling since Space Marines apparently have crazy pain tolerance but reduced accuracy is always nice.

    Reave can also attack nervous system with ME fields. However they can be detonated causing a explosion.

    Plus there is dominate which can turn people against each other.

    Warp bullets that cause the same kind of armor eats armor damage of disruptor torpedoes.

    Energy drain which is what it says it is so even if emp resistance is high shep can just siphon the power.

  32. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 3:10 pm -      #132

    The feat from that book is NOT magic lightning. I have absolutely no clue how you came to thing that.

    Let me be more specific, not “naturally occurring lightning by our standards”. Lightning that is slagging the earth with the force of missiles is not normal lightning one way or the other.

  33. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 3:12 pm -      #133

    Is higher voltage, and I am not a physicist, but I would like to think that equals a stronger emp event.

  34. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 3:26 pm -      #134

    Is higher voltage, and I am not a physicist, but I would like to think that equals a stronger emp event.

    I don’t think higher voltage = increased striking force though. That’s pretty much the only reason I’m considering that the SM lightning may not the same as regular lightning. I could be wrong, the actual “force” of a lightning bolt is not something I’m familiar with.

  35. pimpmage July 3, 2015 at 3:31 pm -      #135

    Maybe aelf or mea could see this and chime in. Fat chance tho.

  36. Epicazeroth July 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm -      #136

    @pimp: If it has an impact crater, it’s not lightning. Lightning has no kinetic energy. And even if that planet somehow has kinetic lightning, high kinetic energy doesn’t mean high electrical energy.

    Also, Lowk wasn’t talking about the tech exploding (though that does happen). Overload can cause flammable and combustible materials to explode as well.
    ===
    @Friendly: “So in his earlier years where he was more youthful”
    So, that would be a different incarnation than the one in this match.

  37. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 4:12 pm -      #137

    So, that would be a different incarnation than the one in this match.

    Same incarnation in regards to powers though, anything he did back then he can do now.
    The only real difference between current and old is that old used Unlimited Mode as a trump card while new throws it out whenever he wants.

  38. Aelfinn July 3, 2015 at 6:39 pm -      #138

    @Friendlysociopath
    If you want to use a Wheel of Time character, I’d recommend using a bog-standard Asha’man. They’re channelers, they blow people up, they kick ass and take names, but they’re unlikely to have balefire.

    @pimpmage
    I’m not entirely sure what I’m called in here for.
    Lightning does cause EMP’s
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
    midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/emp.htm

    But if the question is “will stronger lightning cause a crater?” Then I think the answer is maybe. I’m not sure if a crater would be caused, but when you’re right next to lightning, the “thunder” is actually an explosive shockwave. Rapid heating caused by the lightning makes the air suddenly expand faster than the speed of sound. With a larger current, you get more heating, and therefore a bigger explosion.

    So it’s possible.

  39. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 6:45 pm -      #139

    “I’m not entirely sure what I’m called in here for.”

    We were trying to figure out how powerful the emp effects of lightning is and if it taking is enough to stop ME’s overload ability.

  40. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 7:35 pm -      #140

    If you want to use a Wheel of Time character, I’d recommend using a bog-standard Asha’man

    Noted, too late for here but I’ll keep that in mind for future matches.

  41. Aelfinn July 3, 2015 at 8:21 pm -      #141

    From everything I could read, the “Overload” isn’t an EMP at all. EMP’s just can’t hurt organics, while Overload hurts organics, so this might become a question of electric current and voltage.

    www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~p616/safety/fatal_current.html

    As you can see, you need a specific butter zone of current in order to kill. 0.1 – 0.2 amps fuck the heart up JUST ENOUGH to cause it to shut down and kill you. Anything higher makes the heart seize up so hard that it can actually restart easier than in the 0.1-0.2 range. It’s more of an on/off switch, while the butter zone is like turning your computer off in the middle of an update, it doesn’t know where to start again. The voltage actually doesn’t matter in this regard.

    So lightning creates HUGE current and voltage: up to 300,000 amps and 1 billion volts (although it can be as low as 20,000 amps and 100 million volts, so still pretty high).
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
    =
    But this raises the question: what’s the current and voltage of Overload?

    I’m… not sure. If I’m being honest, the effects seem less than lightning, but feel free to disagree.
    =
    =
    (Btw, I’ve had to open quite a few tabs to make an educated opinion, including a congressional report on the danger of EMPs.)

  42. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 9:16 pm -      #142

    “From everything I could read, the “Overload” isn’t an EMP at all.  EMP’s just can’t hurt organics, while Overload hurts organics, so this might become a question of electric current and voltage.”

    An EM field apparenlty can but I don’t think its that.
    Anyway, overload doesn’t hurt organics. That doesn’t come unitl ME 3 where the the neural shock app’s functionality is added to overload. I spent two hours trying to level up to get the in-game overload descriptions in ME 2 where most of the mechanics for the abilities are. I kept forgetting that and got bullets sprayed in my face for my troubles.

  43. Aelfinn July 3, 2015 at 9:36 pm -      #143

    “That doesn’t come unitl ME 3 where the the neural shock app’s functionality is added to overload.”

    Wouldn’t this be the current incarnation, then?
    =
    If that’s not it…then based on the descriptions, it does what its name implies: it magically causes the power source to put out more energy than it should, causing problems. The guns overheat and synthetic enemies explode on death. It also might “blow-out” the shield generators. It could be entirely different than current, voltage, and EMPs all-together.
    =
    “An EM field apparenlty can but I don’t think its that.”

    Where have you heard that?

  44. Limbo Lowk July 3, 2015 at 9:53 pm -      #144

    “Wouldn’t this be the current incarnation, then?”

    Which mean it somehow is both the electromagnetic pulse it is stated to be combined with a shock for stopping power.
    ===
    “it magically causes the power source to put out more energy than it should, causing problems.”

    You mean space magically.
    ===
    “It could be entirely different than current, voltage, and EMPs all-together.”

    I wish I could stay that would surprise me but ME isn’t exactly the hardest of sci-fi.
    ===
    “Where have you heard that?”

    Here
    io9.com/5851828/10-things-an-electromagnetic-field-can-do-to-your-brain
    ===
    Beside overload there is sabotage which causes malfunctions, mess with computers, and other various tech stuff. Do the space marines have any other technological equipment on them like targeting systems or navigation?

  45. Friendlysociopath July 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm -      #145

    Do the space marines have any other technological equipment on them like targeting systems or navigation?

    I believe Pimp posted a passage before about Space Marines having a ton of different vision filters (infrared, night vision) as a standard.

  46. Aelfinn July 3, 2015 at 11:26 pm -      #146

    “Which mean it somehow is both the electromagnetic pulse it is stated to be combined with a shock for stopping power.”

    lol so it’s a lightning bolt?
    =
    “You mean space magically.”

    Whoops, my bad, practically sunk my whole post.
    =
    “I wish I could stay that would surprise me but ME isn’t exactly the hardest of sci-fi.”

    Space magic blue people and the ability to ignore mass is the hardest sci-fi can be.
    =
    “Here”

    Oh, well prolonged exposure to an EM field is different than an EMP. And I’d be wary of that site…it might be telling the truth, but I’m not sure if it is. The science seems kinda fishy.
    =
    “Do the space marines have any other technological equipment on them like targeting systems or navigation?”

    Yeah, they’ve got that whole HUD. I bet if you hack the suit’s strength-boosters it wouldn’t make the SM too happy either.

  47. Limbo Lowk July 4, 2015 at 2:29 am -      #147

    “lol so it’s a lightning bolt?”

    media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif
    Three games in and they make the emp attack mimic lightning. Well not the blasting through atmosphere creating a sonic boom part. It kind of like a reverse(more EMP less electric shock related) ninja lightning.
    ===
    “Yeah, they’ve got that whole HUD. I bet if you hack the suit’s strength-boosters it wouldn’t make the SM too happy either.”

    Found’em
    targeting system
    auto sense
    environmental scanners
    etc
    www.comicvine.com/profile/strider92/blog/space-marines-respect-thread/92848/
    Maybe Shep could cause some chaos by going around sabotaging that stuff. Maybe Pain the area where they are with a Cain shot and Uryuu can light them up from a distance

  48. pimpmage July 4, 2015 at 2:50 am -      #148

    “Maybe Shep could cause some chaos by going around sabotaging that stuff.”

    … Or, you know.. a SM can remove their helmet…, even without power in their armor, they can still shoot their sidearms or melt your face with their spit, or splatter your brainpan with a rock off the ground.

    ” Maybe Pain the area where they are with a Cain shot”

    Whats the range on both of those? The video shows the explosion the cain deals to be no larger than a rpg explosion.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4b-8glzVAg
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5Q6e8RYz0

    And if you are within at least 500 meters, any SM could probably brain your with a bolter easily enough.

  49. pimpmage July 4, 2015 at 2:56 am -      #149

    * correction, within 2500 meters distance, headshots with a ricochet.

    “Only Mingzhou kept some measure of in her head. ‘He’s over twenty-five hundred meters away.’ she assured them. ‘Someone with the best lasrifle on Castellax couldn’t pick off a target from that range. We have to get out of here before he can close the distance.’

    As she spoke, Algol raised his arm, the graceless bulk of a bolter clenched in his fist. Without pause or hesitation, the Space Marine fired. From the other side of the tractor, Deacon screamed and fell, his chest ripped to splinters by the bolter’s explosive shell.

    …before Algol fired again, the legionary’s shots smashing into the engine block.

    …Almost casually, the Iron Warrior adjusted his grip on the bolter, tilting the barrel downwards ever so slightly.

    …The bolter cracked again. Taofang cried out as he watched Mingzhou’s body jerk up and strike the underside of the tractor. Her body slumped back against the side of the ferrocrete paving, blood streaming from her shattered flesh. Instead of closing upon her and coming within the range of the sniper’s rifle, the Iron Warrior had fired his shot into the floor several meters in front of the tractor, deflecting his shot so that it arced beneath the vehicle and struck the woman hidden there.”

    SoC, Pg. 345

  50. Limbo Lowk July 4, 2015 at 3:21 am -      #150

    “. Or, you know.. a SM can remove their helmet…, even without power in their armor, they can still shoot their sidearms or melt your face with their spit, or splatter your brainpan with a rock off the ground.”

    There still the stuff in the suit.
    Also it still helps in that they no longer have a means of knowing the terrain or communication.
    ===
    “Whats the range on both of those? The video shows the explosion the cain deals to be no larger than a rpg explosion.”

    The gameplay version is watered down to keep you from blowing yourself and everything around you up.
    A cutscene and current incarnation of the Cain shows it crating a large blast that takes this thing out
    vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/4/4f/ME3_Hades_Cannon_London.png/revision/latest/thumbnail-down/width/340/height/340?cb=20120320000524
    The video is in post #41
    ===
    “And if you are within at least 500 meters, any SM could probably brain your with a bolter easily enough.”

    Shepard can cloak against visual and technological detection methods. Besides that he can dash around at super-speed via biotic charge, around or upwards.

    Beyond that he is also not alone and as Uryu has shown he his kind of covering fire can be fairly obsuring.
    The psychic I recall being capable of teleporting people.
    And Raiden, in busrt, can move fast enough that a guy that easily block bullets at close range seem slow. Who iirc has Sai that have magnetic abilities powerful enough to toss helicopters.

  51. pimpmage July 4, 2015 at 11:07 am -      #151

    So your overall argument is the following, feel free to correct me. Shepard will be close enough to use biotic and tech stuff, yet be too far for sm’s to shoot at, while being close enough for his dash to be used against sm’s, yet be far enough away to use his Cain and sniper rifle? What distance is that? Keep in mind, biotic and tech powers have cooldowns and severely limited range. Also keep in mind that Shepard does not have toonforce, as in he can only carry a limited amount of weapons, including heavy weapons.

    So Shepard will have to accomplish all this whIle staying more than 2500 meters away, without knowing the effective range space marines have.

    Heck, just looking at round 1, the scouts could solo. They have active camo cloaks and sniper rifles. 4 shots, 4 bodies.

  52. Friendlysociopath July 4, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #152

    These are separate rounds btw; in order to preserve the numbers of the Lamenter Chapter, so accordingly, the Defenders get to rest and restock weapons between waves.

    Keep in mind, biotic and tech powers have cooldowns and severely limited range.

    Pretty sure those are game mechanics, in cutscenes Jack just goes apeshit with her biotics over and over again.

    What distance is that?

    I think he’s just explaining what Shepard brings to the table; even if she starts at range a SM will eventually get close enough that the rest of the kit becomes important.

  53. pimpmage July 4, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #153

    I feel like the mood would be ruined if they all died to scouts in thethe very first round.

  54. Friendlysociopath July 4, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #154

    I feel like the mood would be ruined if they all died to scouts in thethe very first round.

    Raiden has experience with fighting invisible opponents, Uryu can sense people by their energy, and Hyoubu doesn’t need to see people to use his powers on them.

  55. pimpmage July 4, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #155

    Fighting invisible people firing from a mile away? And can that life force be sensed from that far away?

  56. Friendlysociopath July 4, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #156

    He’s fast enough to block the bullets, and all he has to do is follow the trajectory to where they were. Come to think of it, I think Raiden might actually be able to just outright see that far.
    He might be able to see through walls too, I need to check on that hang on.

    And I believe the second is a heavy yes; though I am no Bleach expert. Relatively early on (like 10 episodes in) Uryu and Ichigo could both locate people just by spirit energy so long as they were in the same city as them.

  57. Limbo Lowk July 4, 2015 at 1:25 pm -      #157

    “Shepard will be close enough to use biotic and tech stuff,  yet be too far for sm’s to shoot at,  while being close enough for his  dash to be used against sm’s, yet be far enough away to use his Cain and sniper rifle?”

    No the dash is used as a mobility to avoid gunfire, to get into cover, get in range quickly and disappear, or traverse the enviornment. Maybe pop off an ability and retreat out of view.
    Your thinking of this as a standard FP open field battle. They are in gotham; a place with a lot of buildings and vatange points someone shepards size and ability can make use of. Lot of verticality to that place.
    ===
    “What distance is that?  Keep in mind, biotic and tech powers have cooldowns and severely limited range.  Also keep in mind that Shepard does not have toonforce,  as in he can only carry a limited amount of weapons,  including heavy weapons.”

    100 plus meters for abilities. A kilometer for some of the low-end rifles. Possibly 2 considering the speed of the rounds.
    And he can carry up to 6-8 weapons. Three(possibly 4 for the middle space) on his back, two on his hip, and still have two arms left.
    ===
    “So Shepard will have to accomplish all this whIle staying more than 2500 meters away,  without knowing the effective range space marines have.”

    Not really as I mention before they are coming for them in a city. Unless they are having a quickdraw on a long street that range is kind of pointless. The buildings offer cover and a vantage point to set traps with tech mines or grenades.
    They also have a guy who can teleport people so that would also help.

  58. Limbo Lowk July 4, 2015 at 2:06 pm -      #158

    “Pretty sure those are game mechanics, in cutscenes Jack just goes apeshit with her biotics over and over again.”

    Pretty much on the biotic end, sort of not on the tech stuff. While the biotics is based on the person will and endurance of the user the tech is based solely on a computer and tuned to last by not over taxing the omni-tool.
    So Biotics is more like how much/hard an athlete can push him/herself and how much rest might be needed to exert oneself again. You could overexert yourself but it’d be tiring.
    The tech is like loading or refreshing an app. Granted you can get down to a second or two second.

    Both have upgrades that either help take some stress off of the biotic or are basically hacks on the omni-tool. for example removing the safeties off an omni-tool can make it run fast but it shortan the life span.
    Hydra Module
    Most omni-tools are tuned to have an effective life span of 10 years or more for precision work, and up to 50 for more general tasks. Disabling most safety protocols and installing an experimental power core improves efficiency but reduces the expected operating life span by a factor of 20.

    There is also this that can helps increase responsiveness
    Multicore Amplifier
    Standard omni-tools are calibrated with a wide neural input tolerance range so they can be used effectively by any race. By tuning the inputs of the omni-tool to match the specific neural patterns of the user, responsiveness and power can be greatly increased. Once tuned in this manner, the omni-tool is almost unusable by anyone but the wearer, and it must be constantly re-calibrated to subtle neural shifts.

    And this helps for instantly switching between different task
    Custom Heuristics
    Traditional omni-tools are tuned for precise and delicate work. Eclipse engineers tune their omni-tools in an opposite manner, focusing on quickly releasing raw energy, but rendering them incapable of performing delicate work without swapping in an alternate tool. Cerberus has prototyped a multiple-operating system approach that should allow one omni-tool to run dozens of configurations, with instantaneous swapping as the user switches tasks. This should result in better performance at each individual task.
    ===
    Beside that he can use tech, maybe to hide himself while he waits if he need to breath. Or use biotics to retreat into a building or something to give his omni-tool a sec.

  59. Alpha or Omega July 4, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #159

    “He’s fast enough to block the bullets, and all he has to do is follow the trajectory to where they were.”
    /
    True
    /
    “Come to think of it, I think Raiden might actually be able to just outright see that far.”
    /
    youtu.be/DZGP3b-d5g0?t=1892
    He kinda has to zoom in order to do it.
    /
    “He might be able to see through walls too, I need to check on that hang on.”
    /
    He can with his other vision modes.

  60. Epicazeroth July 4, 2015 at 5:00 pm -      #160

    Shepard has experience fighting invisible opponents as well. Geth and Cerberus troops both use cloaking.
    ===
    @Lowk: Actually, Shepard can carry at least five weapons. In ME3, it’s an Assault and Sniper Rifle on the shoulders, a Shotgun on her back, and a handgun on each hip.

  61. Limbo Lowk July 4, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #161

    “Lowk: Actually, Shepard can carry at least five weapons. In ME3, it’s an Assault and Sniper Rifle on the shoulders, a Shotgun on her back, and a handgun on each hip.”

    It has been shown that the center of the back can hold a weapon as well.

  62. Friendlysociopath July 4, 2015 at 11:40 pm -      #162

    For the record, Gotham is totally populated for this; if Batman shows up I really don’t care which side murders him.

  63. Alpha or Omega July 5, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #163

    Really too late since it’s past 50 post.
    /
    Though if Arkham Batman shows up, he’ll most likely side with team 2.
    I don’t think he can “even the odds” though.

  64. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 12:26 am -      #164

    “For the record, Gotham is totally populated for this; if Batman shows up I really don’t care which side murders him.”

    What do you have against former Commissioner Gordon? :p
    But seriously why do you hate Batman so?

    Also they better hope they don’t attract the attention of clayface.

  65. Friendlysociopath July 5, 2015 at 1:05 am -      #165

    Really too late since it’s past 50 post.

    It’s not a change, just clarification.
    Instead of possibly choosing an option that indirectly may benefit one side more than the other when the issue was raised, I was clarifying before it was asked so as to not appear to favor one side.

    That was the idea anyways. If you don’t like it then I’ll happily wait for the issue to inevitably come up and then repeat myself.

    But seriously why do you hate Batman so?

    I didn’t always, I laughed at Adam West as Batman, I tolerated Clooney as Batman, and I’m forever a fan of Terry McGinnis Batman.
    It’s regular Batman that pisses me off for a few reasons, I’d rather not make a giant WoT about hating Batman so I’ll stick with just one reason for now.
    He won’t kill, despite the fact that he knows innocents will die after the villains escape (and they always do) his moral code is more important than the lives of those he wants to protect.
    Is it because of a bad legal system? Probably.
    Are the legal people corrupt? Obviously.
    But Batman has the power to end it, to save lives- and he won’t do it. It is a giant flaw in his character that I can’t overlook, particularly since they’ve taken great pains to show that yes, he is smart enough to know better.

    It’s one reason I like Yuri Lowell as a character; when he’s faced with this dilemma he will actually cut a man down in cold blood rather than let him walk away to do the same exact plan again. He acknowledges his moral purity is not worth the lives of innocents.

    I don’t think he can “even the odds” though.

    Before yesterday I would never have caught the reference of that.

  66. Epicazeroth July 5, 2015 at 3:22 am -      #166

    @Friendly: First of all, you’re entirely wrong; Bruce has killed multiple times in the past. However, he won’t usually kill because (as I understand) he personally can’t bring himself to do it. Or he’s afraid of what he’d become if he did. Also, the Joker (and others of his villains) have died at least half a dozen times each. He may have just given up. And “doesn’t go around killing every criminal he sees” is not a flaw. At most it’s a minor one; the MST3K Mantra applies here.

    Speaking of not killing, at least 2 of the defenders here usually prefer not to let innocents die. Do the Marines care if civilians become collateral?

    Also, by “populated” do you mean “all heroes and villains are present”?

  67. Glutinous-Bicarbonate July 5, 2015 at 4:56 am -      #167

    Salamanders do, and they’re probably the most idealistic in that vein. As opposed to say, the Iron Hands who executed a third of a given area of space’s population, even complete innocents, to serve as a warning to other potential heretics. I think that’s the number. Thereabouts.

  68. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 7:56 am -      #168

    “Do the Marines care if civilians become collateral?”

    The lamenters hail from Sanguinius’s lineage. They are more noble and compassionate than 90% of the other legions, except during combat. So, in short, they wouldn’t actively go after civilians, and possibly ignore them all together. Unless they fight back, then they are free game.

  69. Neon Lord July 5, 2015 at 8:59 am -      #169

    “Hey Pimp, question, do they have any sort of artillery in 40K? Like mortars and such? I’ve always wondered and never really asked, I assumed they just used tanks instead.”

    The Guard have mortar teams and dedicated artillery batteries. Typically, as Space Marines favor surgical strike and rapid warfare, they don’t have artillery. The exception is the Whirlwind tank and the Land Raider Helios, both of which act as light-mobile artillery for marines when deployed.
    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Land_Raider_Helios
    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Whirlwind

    “warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/EMP_Grenade
    Apparently that is not always the case.”

    I wrote that article and the powered armour bit may have been a bit of embellishment on my part…I’ll have to double check the sources later for exact wording. On the tabletop though (i.e. game mechanics), EMP grenades can only be used on vehicles.

    Is the EMP effect we are debating here an AoE effect? Because against a hundred marines, shutting down one or two isnt much.

    “The lamenters hail from Sanguinius’s lineage. They are more noble and compassionate than 90% of the other legions, except during combat. ”

    Except Flesh Tearers…and anybody that falls to the Black Rage/Red Thirst. Then its a bloodbath.

  70. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 10:17 am -      #170

    You write articles for the wiki, and you embellish stuff?? The fuck man. ..

  71. Epicazeroth July 5, 2015 at 11:21 am -      #171

    Well, if the Gotham villains and heroes are all here, they probably won’t take to kindly to Marines blowing up their city. So that could be a problem. Some of them probably won’t be much help (Riddler, Penguin), but some could.

    Speaking of which, which heroes still reside in Gotham? I assume all of the villains are still there.

  72. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 11:56 am -      #172

    They wouldn’t be blowing up the city. .. why would you say that? The defenders probably won’t survive the earliest rounds. I doubt vehicles would even be a factor here.

  73. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 12:39 pm -      #173

    Arrows exploding(near the beginning of the series Uryu)
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/04/049cc635b70e1cd3b060c6e42a9c24a5a7941a95e8eb0d74a92ef69d.jpg
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/ba/ba009945a078bb26ed75c71cb793728cc12d96d5d393fb85bd63899f.jpg

    Rate of fire is 1200 arrows casually
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/129659/3394424-bleach-1589763.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/129659/3394425-bleach-1589775.jpg
    Uses it to blast the other guys attacks out of the air.
    Here is the animated version
    youtu.be/ZLqp1_8S_hw?t=8m44s
    8:44-9:52

  74. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm -      #174

    Honestly, not knowing that guys durability, I’d say those pictures rate an explosion close to a moderate sized fire cracker.

  75. Friendlysociopath July 5, 2015 at 1:46 pm -      #175

    The defenders probably won’t survive the earliest rounds

    Er, how do you figure? Thus far Hyoubu solos until Psykers show up to stop him. That’s Round 10. That’s not even including the rest of his team.

    Are you talking about your invisible scouts and magic sniper rifles? 3 of the defenders are fast enough to dodge/deflect bullets and the 1 that can’t has a perfectly good shield that will block them.
    2 of the defenders literally do not need to see their targets to use their abilities on them; and the 1 who does has good enough RT plus vision to simply follow the shot back to where it came from.

  76. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 1:55 pm -      #176

    “Honestly, not knowing that guys durability”

    The destroy walls by running through them and smack cars around. Definitely above human.
    They are also larger then a guy that’s 6’5
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/a5/a568f4bab65426c5866f803c8ef7d409b18580afbf9f551d1329faa5.jpg
    ===
    Accuracy against highspeed target
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/b8/b891ef90cb9b952a81568befba07f9f33f21a834050c73f54a4883d4.jpg
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/31/3109bc77bbf3c69794a8f6a51679d21683d2d1013306a37e8e0c4fdf.jpg

    Though if I recall he maybe be able to control where the arrows go.
    ===
    Slice through large blades that vibrate at super speed and slice through most anything they touch.(Said weapon can also be fired from his bow for an armor piercing like effect.)
    cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/72/7252f11cc39651eee955a66f4afc5d35131a21ab8c13d4c4a7432c56.jpg

  77. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 2:13 pm -      #177

    “Thus far Hyoubu solos until Psykers show up to stop him.”

    Nothing in the match description mentions that these people know they are being hunted. The scouts have the best scenerio ever.

    ” 3 of the defenders are fast enough to dodge/deflect bullets and the 1 that can’t has a perfectly good shield that will block them.”

    So you are telling me those guys would instantly dodge out of the way when their first warning would be the sound of a gunshot, but given that bullets travel faster than sound, they would be dead regardless. Also, given that the city is a place riddled with crime, gunshots would not be uncommon. There is no way they would just insta dodge anything, even when they don’t know they are being hunted. Same with that shield guy, unless you are telling me he had his shield active 100% of the time.

  78. Friendlysociopath July 5, 2015 at 2:23 pm -      #178

    Nothing in the match description mentions that these people know they are being hunted.

    That would be what, “Contact with the Inquisition teams has been lost after a few scattered messages and one scream” was supposed to mean.
    Also the whole, ‘I gave them a base full of weapons and ammo to hold out in if they decide they need to’ bit.

    So you are telling me those guys would instantly dodge out of the way when their first warning would be the sound of a gunshot

    Uh, Raiden and Hyoubu are both fast enough in RT to see bullets fly through the air. They wouldn’t need to hear the gunshot to see the bullet. I don’t know enough about Uryu to say whether he is that fast or not; which is why I didn’t count him.

    Same with that shield guy, unless you are telling me he had his shield active 100% of the time.

    Bro, you know how Mass Effect shields work? They wait for something to come at them really fast and then activate. Shepard’s RT wouldn’t even be important.

    Though if I recall he maybe be able to control where the arrows go.

    According to the wikia he has that power, though my faith in wikia’s has taken a dramatic hit lately.

  79. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 2:36 pm -      #179

    So them having killed an inquisition squad let’s them somehow know an army is being sent to kill them? Sounds completely unreasonable.

    “Uh, Raiden and Hyoubu are both fast enough in RT to see bullets fly through the air.”

    You just said they can see bullets. That doesn’t account for being shot at when the bullets are not traveling within their field of view. And are you also saying those guys are in constant alert for incoming bullets 100% of the time?

    And about that Shepard shield thing. I didn’t know you were talking about her. I was assuming it was a TK shield from someone. But regardless, ME shields are not active outside combat. You can see this all the time throughout the series. In cutscenes, you see people physically interact with eachother with no shields activating. You see people knocked unconscious by exploding scenery too. No shields there either.

  80. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 2:36 pm -      #180

    “Nothing in the match description mentions that these people know they are being hunted.”

    If there is nothing in the scenario stating that they don’t know they are being attacked then as per rules
    All parties involved in a battle are made aware of the opposition and a general idea of their capabilities. This means that no combatant is assumed to be at a passive demeanor past the merging point. That does not mean, however, that combatants are made aware of the opposition’s strengths, weaknesses, or past history.

    They are aware that they are coming for them.
    Uryu can sense beings from across a town. And the psychic guy seems like he can as well from that video.
    ===
    “Also, given that the city is a place riddled with crime, gunshots would not be uncommon.”

    It’s normally calm until some super-villain decides to rob a bank or create a diversion. The threat of batman normally promotes secretive crimes for the regular people.
    ===
    “But Batman has the power to end it, to save lives- and he won’t do it. It is a giant flaw in his character that I can’t overlook, particularly since they’ve taken great pains to show that yes, he is smart enough to know better.”

    To be fair some of these people should be getting lethal injections. Also, pretty sure he killed the joker this time with the, “fuck you your not getting out of the collapsing cave this time” thing in endgame.
    Also Personal creeds can be a real bitch. I mean you got to appluade a guy for being able to stick that hard to one. But yeah, it’s a pretty shitty one. Plus we are all aware that deep childhood truama coupled with pretty much every thing in his life has made Bruce insane right?

  81. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 2:39 pm -      #181

    Lowk, this is a scenerio. Not a vs. People are not given knowledge they didn’t otherwise find out themselves. This specific match plays out exactly like how it is described in the scenerio. This is a story that we are playing out by talking abut it.

  82. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm -      #182

    “Lowk, this is a scenerio. Not a vs. People are not given knowledge they didn’t otherwise find out themselves.”

    Unless I’m mistaken this is still under group combat, not a what-if. So the standard rules still apply unless stated otherwise in the battle scenario.
    Besides that as Friendly clarified the intention of them knowing they are is still in the scenario itself.

  83. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 3:07 pm -      #183

    The match notes specifically say scenerio. Very first line . That means we are creating a story as we go. People would not have knowledge that they didn’t find out during the course of the match.

  84. Friendlysociopath July 5, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #184

    Unless I’m mistaken this is still under group combat, not a what-if.

    That… is my fault; I thought “what ifs” weren’t about combat so I always drafted them as group battles- I don’t know the difference.
    It’s a bit of both, a scenario for what would happen- but with a few balance tweaks like restoring numbers between rounds that makes it seem more like combat.

    So them having killed an inquisition squad let’s them somehow know an army is being sent to kill them?

    Yeah, at least that was the idea. Would the Inquisition really not have breathed one word about the Empire, Emperor, or Space Marines while there? Particularly when fighting the Defenders?
    Also, Hyoubu has Psychometry; so he’d know what they knew as he went through their stuff. Or Shepard could’ve done Charisma bullshit and just convinced them to talk about it… I’m moderately entertained that the latter is actually more likely than the former.

    But regardless, ME shields are not active outside combat.

    If your only proof for that is people touching one another, I specifically said, “Fast objects”. That’s one reason slow-moving stuff like Plasma and Seeker Swarms screwed over ME characters so hard; it doesn’t trip the shield warning.

  85. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 3:26 pm -      #185

    “Yeah, at least that was the idea.”

    So BankGambling scenario magic tells them about it. Boom, next topic.
    Uryu can sense people and has the ability to essentially fly. He goes up into the sky before any gets close. Now they know and knowing and is half the battle.
    ===
    Uryu explodes the ground
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  86. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 3:29 pm -      #186

    I seriously doubt any members of the inquisition would rat out the adeptus astartes. Those guys are the most badass humans alive. They exist to fight the most horrible entities in the galaxy. These guys would have training to resist the worst forms of torture. Seeing as they also exist to keep knowledge secret, that is pretty reasonable.

    Also, with the shields. Does the series not have tons of codexs giving information about everything scattered throughout the series? Maybe we can get more info about the shields from there.

    And lowk magic does not tell them. It’s not over.

  87. Friendlysociopath July 5, 2015 at 3:36 pm -      #187

    Does the series not have tons of codexs giving information about everything scattered throughout the series?

    Yes
    masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kinetic_barrier#Kinetic_Barriers_.28.22Shields.22.29

    These guys would have training to resist the worst forms of torture.

    Including asking them nicely? Shepard has literally convinced people to drop wars with her charisma.

  88. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #188

    You will not convince members of the inquisition to rat anyone out. Especially when Shepard literally knows nothing about the 40k verse. Inquisitor Eisenhower has a good scene were he resists torture I can quote later.

  89. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm -      #189

    Shit, I meant to say Eisenhorn, not Eisenhower. Fucking auto correct.

  90. Epicazeroth July 5, 2015 at 4:10 pm -      #190

    @pimp: “Sounds completely unreasonable.”
    Really? So the defenders kill an armed strike force, and assume nobody will care enough to avenge them?

    “But regardless, ME shields are not active outside combat.”
    Or when people know they’re being hunted.

    “you see people physically interact with eachother with no shields activating.”
    The impact has to have a certain amount of force. So that it doesn’t activate every time they take a step.

    “You see people knocked unconscious by exploding scenery too.”
    When? I don’t remember that.

    “I seriously doubt any members of the inquisition would rat out the adeptus astartes.”
    I seriously doubt you have more control over Friendly’s original intent than he does.

  91. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm -      #191

    “Really? So the defenders kill an armed strike force, and assume nobody will care enough to avenge them?”

    Yep.

    “Or when people know they’re being hunted.”

    So these guys can’t eat or sleep because they know they are being hunted right? The is no time limit on each round. Scouts could take weeks enacting a plan. And during those weeks, Shepards shields will be active 100% of the time?

    “When? I don’t remember that.”

    I don’t remember if it was in 1 or 2, but the were crew members aboard Shepards ship that died to nearby stuff exploding.

    “I seriously doubt you have more control over Friendly’s original intent than he does.”

    Did friendly specifically say that inquisition ratted out the following force somewhere that I missed? In his post 184, he asked me if the strike team would talk about their backup. I replied no. With that being the case, he stated his intent was for the defending side to get the answers out of the kill team somehow.

  92. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 5:25 pm -      #192

    So just so I’m clear, this is meant as a what-if

  93. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 5:35 pm -      #193

    Huh? A scenerio IS a what-if.

  94. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 5:42 pm -      #194

    The scenario i mean. Its ‘what if’ not a vs.

  95. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 5:53 pm -      #195

    Alright that sounds like a better way to describe it.

  96. Epicazeroth July 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #196

    @pimp: “Yep.”
    Well, Friendly said they know they’re being hunted. So…

    “And during those weeks, Shepards shields will be active 100% of the time?”
    If she stays inside the base she doesn’t need her shields to be on all the time.

    “but the were crew members aboard Shepards ship that died to nearby stuff exploding.”
    Did they die to the explosion or the shrapnel. It’s explicitly stated that shields don’t block heat. And if they got thrown they could have died inside their suits. Also, were those crew members wearing combat suits?

    “Did friendly specifically say that inquisition ratted out the following force”
    Post 178.
    ===
    @Lowk: Wait, why are you saying it’s a “What If”? Isn’t this Friendly’s match?

  97. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 6:33 pm -      #197

    “Well, Friendly said they know they’re being hunted. So…”

    No he didn’t. But you should easily be able to quote him and prove me wrong right?

    “Post 178″

    Nothing in that post says the defending ppl got the Intel they needed from the strike team.

  98. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #198

    Well that inserts a lot more possibilities then I previously assumed believing this was pure versus.
    Sorry in advance for this possible text wall.
    ===
    “No he didn’t. But you should easily be able to quote him and prove me wrong right?”

    This is kind of a double edged sword you got there. Team anime is a small group. team40k is an army that came down in a ship.
    So team anime has at least got a good look at the opposition via the scenario where they kill one of the team40k members looking for them. Team40k however has no clue as to what team anime even looks like.
    ===
    Are team4ok the kind of force that would go around just killing people they think might be their targets? Would they announce to the world that they are looking for a certain group of people? The answer would reflect another factor.

    The government.
    They seem to mostly tolerate Gotham because a justice league member is constantly aiding in fighting crime and winning. However they have sent in forces when the Riddler took over and Bats wasn’t even well known.
    Now they live in a world where superpowered being exist and several factions(like the government) is looking for tech that could help against them. There shit may be broken but I doubt that will stop people from wanting a piece.

    If they go around committing acts of destruction trying to find the the team they pretty much forfeit a chance to negotiate. Meaning the troops(possibly specialize soldiers) will be sent out they’ll have to deal with that kind of annoyance. They could probably work out a deal for the first few rounds where they let them roam looking for team anime. But after that full mobilization is going to be meet with force. Nobody send in an hostile army in on Gotham without Gotham pushing back, gothamite are kind of die hard like that.

    While they are out trying to find team anime, team anime has probably already moved. Most of them don’t like to involve civilians in a fight. They could easily pack up most of their shit in a truck and get the fuck away from the populace.
    They could slip away or even secretly aid the military populace in fighting back however there is also a chance some would be willing in trying to turn them over to the invading force to get them to leave.

    Enter the supers.
    There are at least 8 maybe 9 superheroes who call Gotham home. each one has some pretty big ties to pretty big people. Now assuming the team40k went the non-hostile route they may be fine until the military get involved. Other then that well, someone will realize that they are to much for Bats to handle.

    Superman might be currently dropped down to a street level hero but martian manhunter is kind of like the Secret service for extraterrestrial affairs.

    There is also a relatively new green lantern named Simon Baz and red Lantern Guy Gardner who are the space police/punisher for earth.

    Red Robin is a gothamite and he has the teen titans as tag alongs.

    Red Hood and Arsenal have Starfire in speed dail.

    Batwoman has Etrigan, who some how resides in the same city as the host for the Spectre.

    So while team 40k and Anime are playing cat and mouse they are both going to either have to fight or talk their way through the match just to be capable of killing or capturing each other.

  99. Limbo Lowk July 5, 2015 at 6:59 pm -      #199

    I’ve been told that might be a little tiring debate that much at once but I wanted to get it all out there before I get back to trying to stop procrastinating with this chapter I’m supposed to be reading.
    ===
    “Wait, why are you saying it’s a “What If”?”

    Sorry I was typing real while in motion. I forgot the question mark. I meant it as a question because going by what they were saying it seemed like this match wasn’t meant as a true versus.

  100. pimpmage July 5, 2015 at 7:11 pm -      #200

    That is the kind of match that is most interesting. DC people will talk about the city and what happens there. Sounds fun!

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