Skulls for the Skull Throne

Skulls for the Skull Throne

Suggested by  Alpha or Omega

“Skulls”: Captain America (Marvel, Steve Rogers before serum loss. Aside from his shield and getup, he gets a pistol).

Batman (DC, Bruce Wayne. Not Commissioner Gordon).

Master Chief (Halo, armed with Assault Rifle, Battle Rifle, Sniper Rifle, Rocket Launcher, Gravity Hammer, 2 Sticky Grenades, knife, 2 Bubble shields, Jetpack).

Fox McCloud (Star Fox, armed with all equipment from SF:A, including booster pack, and maximum ammunition).

Captain Commando (Capcom).

Solid Snake (Metal Gear, armed with with all his gear from Metal Gear Solid 4. Metal Gear Solid 1 incarnation).

Agent 47 (Hitman)

Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)

Boba Fett (Star Wars, New and Old EU allowed).
Doomguy from Doom 1&2. Armed with all weapons and upgrades.

Adam Jensen (Deus Ex, armed with Pistol, Assault rifle, Two of each Grenades).

Garrus Vakarian (Mass Effect, armed with M-98 Widow sniper rifle, Mattock assault rifle, Carnifex).

Kanan Jarrus (Star Wars)

Frank Horrigan (Fallout)

Hunter: Kharn (Warhammer 40K)

Stipulation: The point of this match is too survive. The winners are the people that can survive. They cannot leave the battlefield. They can not team up with each other. They have to stay alive for 12 hours.
Location: Springfield (The Simpsons) under a dome.

Who will win?

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124 Comments on "Skulls for the Skull Throne"

  1. Nsl98 June 21, 2015 at 12:05 am -      #1

    Fox or Laura go down first, imo.

    Springfield has that nice nuclear plant for the plan savvy people though. Bats nukes everyone, gg.

    Also, nice to see Kanan on here.

  2. Friendlysociopath June 21, 2015 at 12:18 am -      #2

    So I’ll just split everyone into 3 groups: People who can’t beat Kharn, people who might beat Kharn, people who will beat Kharn. Just gut feelings.

    Can’t
    Master Chief
    Batman
    Captain America
    Agent 47
    Lara Croft

    Might
    Fox
    Snake
    Adam Jensen
    Garrus Vakarian
    Kanan Jarrus

    Will
    Doom Guy
    Captain Commando
    Frank Horrigan

    That was people in a direct fight, I wasn’t factoring in them being able to hide or run away.

  3. Ordo11 June 21, 2015 at 12:19 am -      #3

    How long does doom guy get his invulnerable power up? He will win if he Gets that permanately.

    If not it is between bats and boba and snake.

    So kind of glad to see Kanan, but also he can’t do much in this fight, unless there are people in Springfield and Kharn can’t kill them literally that seems like the only way he could survive.

  4. Jake_Uzumaki June 21, 2015 at 2:09 am -      #4

    So they can’t team up..but is there anything stopping the competitors from attempting to kill him while he’s fighting one of the other competitors if they have an attempt to take the pot shot? Whether it works or not

    Also why no shield or Captain America suit for Cap but everyone else gets their normal gear for the most part?

  5. Ordo11 June 21, 2015 at 2:38 am -      #5

    Op says he gets those and a pistol.

  6. Jake_Uzumaki June 21, 2015 at 2:59 am -      #6

    Then wouldn’t it have been easier to say in addition to? Because synonyms for Aside from include barring excluding except, bar, discounting, with the exception of. IE excluding his shield… or bar his shield etc etc
    Plus its a bit odd since he usually carries stuff like Grenades and a pistol on a daily basis in addition to a first aid kit and other survival and military tools on his belt and occasionally other stuff if a mission calls for it.

  7. LethalGecko June 21, 2015 at 3:37 am -      #7

    Given that Chief has a jetpack and a Gravity hammer, he has a good chance of just killing Kharn instantly as soon as he gets close, the hammer can kill him from a good distance due to AoE while Kharn needs to be close to swing Gorechild. Also the anti tank sniper is enough, i think this fight has overestimated Kharn’s capacity, if this was Angron then it would be different.

  8. Darth Bombad June 21, 2015 at 3:37 am -      #8

    I agree with friendly’s assessment, though i would add Boba to the will defeat list.

    BTW do you guys think Khorne’s blessing counts as having demonic energies?.
    Because if it does DooM Guy turns Kharn into a puddle with The Unmaker.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-tqD9eHuoE

  9. Neon Lord June 21, 2015 at 4:38 am -      #9

    Master Chief does actually have the firepower to take out Kharn. The problem is hitting him. The Rocket Launcher rockets can be easily dodged, sticky grenades will be tricky to get Kharn with, and the Gravity Hammer puts the Chief too close to Kharn for comfort.

    Twelve hours to hunt them all down in Springfield though? Quite a few guys may be able to survive simply by hiding out.

    “BTW do you guys think Khorne’s blessing counts as having demonic energies?”

    It’s anti-demon if anything.

  10. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 5:22 am -      #10

    I’m all for seeing 40k matches, so I can post quotes and stuff… but these recent matches are getting ridiculous. 4 huge fleets from different fictions vs IoM fleet? A dozen heroes from a dozen different fictions vs a single 40k CSM? At this point, I’d be down for kharn losing, if only to stop this madness. But at the same time, I don’t want to kharn misrepresented. I’m torn here.

  11. Rookie June 21, 2015 at 5:30 am -      #11

    @pimpmage

    “A dozen heroes from a dozen different fictions vs a single 40k CSM?”

    They are not work together AFAIK. Doomguy is a psycho who kills everyone, Frank too, but more smarter.

  12. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 5:35 am -      #12

    So why is kharn listed as a hunter whereas everyone else isn’t; if there is no teams?

  13. Limbo Lowk June 21, 2015 at 6:23 am -      #13

    Garrus: hey you can’t put your mines here I already laid down my own.
    Batman: I know, I had to disarm and remodel them.
    Garrus: … But my calibrations.
    Snake: Just ignore him he’s been “batprepping” everyone’s stuff. Just find a place to snipe.
    Master Chief: Who’s been reshaping all my grenades into bats?!
    Batman: The gotdamn Batman thats who!
    Master Chief: Why?!
    Batman: BECAUSE I’M BATMAN!
    ===
    Anyway of the goal is to survive MC, Adam Jensen, Batman, Boba Fett all have means of enhancing mobility to get around town to stay away from Kharn.
    And between Batman, Garrus, and Snake thats alot of explosives that could be laid down to either slow or distract.

  14. Neon Lord June 21, 2015 at 7:02 am -      #14

    “So why is kharn listed as a hunter whereas everyone else isn’t; if there is no teams?”

    Kharn is hunting everyone. The objective is for all the ‘hunted’ to survive.

  15. Friendlysociopath June 21, 2015 at 9:38 am -      #15

    Even though they can’t “team up” there’s nothing preventing them from noting,
    “Oh, the guy trying to kill me is attacking someone else- I could totally shoot at him now.”
    ^This mentality is available, and expected, for several characters.

    but these recent matches are getting ridiculous

    Does seem to be escalating a bit ya

  16. Nsl98 June 21, 2015 at 9:46 am -      #16

    Does seem to be escalating a bit ya

    factpile.com/2611-superman-vs-kharn/

  17. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 10:27 am -      #17

    So does everyone know kharn is hunting them? What information do these character have on eachother? Do they also know which specific combatants are not hunting them?

  18. Alpha or Omega June 21, 2015 at 11:29 am -      #18

    @FriendlySociopath
    How will Captain Commando beat Kharn if Commando is currently losing to Captain America?
    Also, Solid Snake lost to a space marine. Probably ones that Kharn treats as fodder.
    I don’t see how Horrigan ends up on the “will” side since he doesn’t have the same equipment as the Lone Wanderer did when he faced Failbbaddon.
    Same for DoomGuy, he struggled against Master Chief.
    /
    @Jake Uzumaki
    I said “ASIDE from his shield and get-up.”
    That means he has his shield and get-up along with his pistol.
    /
    @Ordo11
    Weapons and upgrades. Not power ups.
    /
    @DarthBombad
    I heard the unmaker actually feeds on souls which makes demonic energies false.
    That’s based on memory and I could be wrong though.
    /
    @pimpmage
    Yes, everyone knows Kharn is hunting them.
    They only know each other’s name and characteristics.
    /
    Aside from that, they can team up.
    I think Rookie accidently put the no-team up thing there.
    However, some of the characters there will go lone wolf mentality or can kill the other “skulls” such as 47 or Frank. However, they have to survive too.

  19. Alpha or Omega June 21, 2015 at 11:44 am -      #19

    @LethalGecko
    “Given that Chief has a jetpack and a Gravity hammer, he has a good chance of just killing Kharn instantly as soon as he gets close, the hammer can kill him from a good distance due to AoE while Kharn needs to be close to swing Gorechild.”
    /
    Kharn has guns too you know.
    Aside from that, Chief has never shown to make a gravity vortex.
    /
    @Lowk
    “And between Batman, Garrus, and Snake thats alot of explosives that could be laid down to either slow or distract.”
    /
    Boba Fett and Fox have explosives as well.
    Though Batman’s are mostly non-lethal.

  20. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 12:29 pm -      #20

    Heh, I am imagining kharn as a batman villian. Batman trying to trip wire traps or some such non leathal things, and everything goes horribly wrong.

  21. Friendlysociopath June 21, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #21

    How will Captain Commando beat Kharn if Commando is currently losing to Captain America?

    Thought CC had feats like being so fast he was invisible/afterimages or something like that?

    I don’t see how Horrigan ends up on the “will” side since he doesn’t have the same equipment as the Lone Wanderer

    Power armor and plasma right? Plasma atomizes people in Fallout- quite a punch if he can land a shot.

  22. Super Combine June 21, 2015 at 1:14 pm -      #22

    @Friendlysociopath
    “Plasma atomizes people in Fallout- quite a punch if he can land a shot.”

    Is there actual lore behind that or is it just game mechanics? I’ve noticed in FO3 even mundane things like baseball bats and 10mm pistols can blow people up into nice chunky salsa ingame.

    Also, is Frank a casual bullet timer? If not, he’s gonna get speed blitz’d like the majority of the roster if they decide to face Kharn face on instead of hiding. Only bullet timers I see are Jensen and Snake, and Jensen has a very nerfed arsenal for no reason.

  23. Nsl98 June 21, 2015 at 1:18 pm -      #23

    Only bullet timers I see are Jensen and Snake

    And Batman. And Captain America. Maybe MC.

  24. Alpha or Omega June 21, 2015 at 1:35 pm -      #24

    @FS
    “Thought CC had feats like being so fast he was invisible/afterimages or something like that?”
    /
    He can dodge a bullet point blank and reach a person before a bullet does, but that’s about it. That kind of speed doesn’t win against a Space Marine since they’re already bullet timers.
    /
    “Power armor and plasma right? Plasma atomizes people in Fallout- quite a punch if he can land a shot.”
    /
    Fallout 3 is like years after Fallout 1&2 last time I checked.
    /
    @SuperCombine&Nsl98
    “Only bullet timers I see are Jensen and Snake”
    “And Batman. And Captain America. Maybe MC.”
    /
    And Captain Commando.

  25. Super Combine June 21, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #25

    @Nsl98
    Source? Admittedly, my first impression was these are the TV/movie versions. But even in the comic scans I’ve seen, they never really seem to do anything more than aim dodging over sized pistol rounds.

    Chief has one feat where he barely dodges a couple bullets, it’s not a consistent ability of his.

  26. Murder June 21, 2015 at 1:56 pm -      #26

    Batman is an aim dodger. A very good one, though.

  27. Nsl98 June 21, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #27

    @Super
    Admittedly, my first impression was these are the TV/movie versions.

    Why? Those are non canon weaklings.

    CA throwing his shield to intercept bullets:
    i.imgur.com/zngloNp.jpg

    Red Skull firing 3 bullets at a man across the room. Cap moves from next to Red Skull to directly in front of the man after the bullets leave the chamber.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/4037497-manuver.jpg

    More:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103165/2265633-ca14016zs1.jpg

    Outright says he does it:
    i.imgur.com/XYT3U0t.png

  28. Epicazeroth June 21, 2015 at 3:07 pm -      #28

    I’m pretty sure any “normal” humans here die very quickly. So basically just Lara, and possibly 47.
    =
    So, they can team up. The question then becomes: Who would want to?

    My initial guess, though I could be misjudging a bit, is that Garrus, Bats, Cap, MC, Fox, and Kanan would be willing to team up. Maybe Snake and Fett as well. They all work with others in their own universes, so it should be fine. There may be a few initial personality conflicts, but they know to get over them quickly.

    So Batman, Snake, Garrus, and MC could set up traps/mines beforehand. Garrus, MC, Snake, Fett, and Fox could provide support/cover fire. Which leaves Bats, Cap, and Kanan to engage Kharn directly. The problem is, which of them would be able to survive that?
    ==
    Also, speaking of numbered Agents, does Agent 6 have any matches on here?

  29. Alpha or Omega June 21, 2015 at 3:11 pm -      #29

    @Epicazeroth
    Which Cap?
    Captain America or Captain Commando?

  30. Limbo Lowk June 21, 2015 at 3:37 pm -      #30

    “Batman is an aim dodger.”

    Going under that line of thinking he is also an Aim blocker considering he has blocked bullets ala Wonder woman lite style.
    ===
    So how shock resistant is Kharn becasue overload can be used like a neural shock to paralyze people
    Also what would happen is Kharns gun overhead or exploded?
    ===
    “and Jensen has a very nerfed arsenal for no reason.”

    Last I checked Adam pistol was pretty hax because it could phase for a bit through armor. So as long as Kharn’s helmet isn’t to thick he might be able to get off some round on his flesh.
    ===
    “Chief has one feat where he barely dodges a couple bullets, it’s not a consistent ability of his.”

    To be fair at certain distance Chief RT should allow him react to bullets. Some force users as well.
    ===
    “Maybe Snake and Fett as well.”

    I see Fett partnering up but I don’t think he does groups to well.
    Snake tends to missions solo with the occasional support.

  31. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 4:23 pm -      #31

    “So how shock resistant is Kharn becasue overload can be used like a neural shock to paralyze people”

    Is it electricity or pain? Because I will tell you neither will
    Effect him. Space marines hailing from dorn’s lineage regularly wear pain bodygloves to torture their nerves in way of prayer. They last hours wearing this suit, recieving pain that would kill a man outright.

  32. Epicazeroth June 21, 2015 at 4:29 pm -      #32

    @Alpha: “Cap” is Captain America. I would call Captain Commando “CC”.
    ===
    @Lowk: “Also what would happen is Kharns gun overhead or exploded?”
    He wouldn’t have that gun anymore? But we don’t know if Overload would affect Kharn’s gun in one use. It might take multiple electrical attacks.

    “To be fair at certain distance Chief RT should allow him react to bullets. Some force users as well.”
    The problem is, they don’t usually fight at large distances. Batman, Cap, MC, and Kanan can all bullet-time or aim-dodge/block, but they all either prefer fighting up close or have no choice.

    “I see Fett partnering up but I don’t think he does groups to well.”
    It all depends on whether or not they’d be able to survive on their own. Anybody who can’t survive on their own would probably make an exception, unless “always a lone wolf” is part of their CIS. They don’t really have to work together, just fight together.

  33. Epicazeroth June 21, 2015 at 4:31 pm -      #33

    @pimp: It’s a direct shock to the nerves; presumably it overloads them with signals so they don’t function properly. Though the description says “weaker organic enemies”, so it might not work on Kharn himself. Should still affect any shields/barriers along with any electronics he might have.

  34. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 4:38 pm -      #34

    Space marine armor has been struck with lightning with absolutely no effect before. I can post quotes later if you dont believe me.

  35. Limbo Lowk June 21, 2015 at 4:39 pm -      #35

    “Is it electricity or pain?”

    It’s sort of like taser frying you from the inside except with enough power to make robot explodes violently.
    ===
    “They last hours wearing this suit, recieving pain that would kill a man outright.”

    But it’s not the pain that stops you. It is more of a natural reaction of your muscle tissue to electrical stimuli. I.E. why tasers work
    electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/other-gadgets/taser-shotgun-shell3.htm
    I mean if Space Marine have like feat showing they somehow no selling or resisting the effects of electrocution then nevermind. Just putting it out there Garrus does have the ability to wave his hand and zap shit.

  36. Limbo Lowk June 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm -      #36

    “But we don’t know if Overload would affect Kharn’s gun in one use. It might take multiple electrical attacks.”

    Well according to the wiki Plasma weapons already aren’t the safest thing.
    most such weapons are prone to overheating, destabilisation and misfire.’
    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Weapons
    40k people is that correct?

    iirc Garrus also capable of sabotage which causes weapons to overheat.
    ===
    “Space marine armor has been struck with lightning with absolutely no effect before.”

    Was he protect by armor and does the skin touch the metal of said armor for the electricity to conduct into him?

  37. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm -      #37

    Honestly, I have never ever read of plasma weapons breaking in any novel I have read. Though it is dangerous of you extremely misuse it. Think of it like like covenant weaponry. With sustained fire, it overheats and could explode. But anyone that is good enough to be trusted with such a weapon would know how to safely operate it. Plasma weapons are not ticking timebombs unless you heavely abuse it. And kharns pistol has lasted him ten millenia of continual use. Through thousands of battlefields, id say he is quite capable of safely firing it. Though I have absolutely no clue how electricity would effect it.

  38. Super Combine June 21, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #38

    @Lowk
    “So how shock resistant is Kharn becasue overload can be used like a neural shock to paralyze people”

    I believe there’s a scene in either Horus Rising or False Gods where Space Marines laugh off lightning guns or something. I’ll have to look through the books again, right now all I could find is Kharn’s resistance to psykic lightning, partly because of Collar of Khorne.

    “Caked in dried blood and filth, Khârn raised Gorechild and charged the Grey Knight. The silver-clad Space Marine raised his halberd, directing a powerful blast of psychic energy at the onrushing World Eater.
    The stream of blue warp lightning washed over Khârn. Either choosing to ignore the pain or impervious to it, still he came. The Grey Knight renewed his assault, putting so much of his being into the power emanating from his force halberd that hoarfrost coated his suit of Terminator armour and dark blood leaked from both nostrils.
    The effect was the same. His red armour glowing purple under the crackling wave of sapphire energy, Khârn did not falter.
    KERSAI: No… This cannot be.
    Resorting to more base tactics, Kersai raised his weapon to use it in the conventional manner but the World Eater was already upon him.
    KHÂRN: Khorne protects me, Grey Knight. Unlike your corpse-Emperor.
    -Trials Of Azrael Page 63”


    “Also what would happen is Kharns gun overhead or exploded?”

    It could possibly kill him if he’s still holding it or at the very least injures him very badly.

    Also, why are people talking about the hunted making teams? The OP says they can’t team up.

  39. Alpha or Omega June 21, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #39

    @SuperCombine
    “Also, why are people talking about the hunted making teams? The OP says they can’t team up.”
    /
    I didn’t say that.
    I think Rookie accidently put that up there.
    Some people just won’t decide to work together such as Doom Guy since it’s in their character.

  40. Super Combine June 21, 2015 at 5:21 pm -      #40

    Ah, alright, thanks for clearing that up.

  41. Friendlysociopath June 21, 2015 at 5:32 pm -      #41

    They can decide to work together? With the famed Batman and Captain America both around? Oh by the genitals of the Chaos Gods- Kharn’s about to get hit by so much plot and strategy he might actually calm down enough to be confused.

    So, who here has weapons that can at least hurt Kharn btw? I rated Captain America as a “Won’t win” because I didn’t think he had any way of hurting Kharn; he’s strong enough and fast enough to block, but I didn’t think he could harm Kharn. For 1v1 this is a problem.

    For group combat, all Captain America needs to do is just keep Kharn occupied while others shoot at him with whatever they’ve got (Yeah, what most of them “got” isn’t very good but you get the point). A majority of these characters are not inherently against working together at all.

    I rated Snake as a “might be” because I didn’t know what guns he has. Considering how batshit Metal Gear has become, I would not be surprised if he had a nuke in his back pocket or something.

    40k people is that correct?

    Warhammer in general says that for a lot of things; in both Fantasy and 40K. There’s always a risk of something truly asinine happening.

  42. LethalGecko June 21, 2015 at 5:32 pm -      #42

    @Alpha or Omega

    Kharn has guns too you know.
    Aside from that, Chief has never shown to make a gravity vortex.
    #
    While that’s true you can’t say it’s not possible, you have to take into account all the possibilities first and it’s perfectly reasonable to assume that he can/could and would.
    When it comes to Chief Vs Kharn in CQC, it will be however strikes first (Not talking guns where Chief has the obvious advantage) Speed/reflex wise they are very close, where Kharn is more skilled in CQC and will swing faster, Chief can strike from about 6 feet away which closes that gap considerably and he is more than competent, so to be honest, if you discount them shooting each other where Chief will win, i give it 55/45 in Kharns favor. (Although Chief’s luck isn’t just plot armor, so that may come in to play). The gravity hammer swinging normally will blitz Kharn’s insides and his bones which will kill him instantly through his armor while a solid hit with Gorechild will down Chief, so the fight between them will be purely down to luck. Kharn’s plasma pistol, while extremely potent, is out matched by Chief’s firepower and if Chief was being Chief, he would fly up on top of the nuclear powerplant and just snipe Kharn which Kharn really can’t do much about (Given his exposed arm but I’m sure his 5++ will save him)

  43. pimpmage June 21, 2015 at 5:40 pm -      #43

    Honestly, kharns weapon should be as big if not bigger than mcs gravhammer.

  44. LethalGecko June 21, 2015 at 6:11 pm -      #44

    That doesn’t really change anything, and no i reckon the gravity hammer is bigger but the hammer strikes with a blast of gravity so it doesn’t even need to make contact which is why i said about 6 feet AoE, after all Gorechild is Angron’s smaller hand axe as opposed to Gorefather who is more of a two hander (Though Angron uses it one handed anyway)

  45. Limbo Lowk June 21, 2015 at 6:14 pm -      #45

    lol
    1d4chan.org/images/b/ba/Warhammer_Plasma.jpg

    So no on then exploding on their own but overheat could still cause an issue? Besides overload fucking up tech there is also the tech ability sabotage that causes overheating in weapons.
    ===
    “So, who here has weapons that can at least hurt Kharn btw?”

    Well the Garrus widow rifle is and I quote
    “is primarily used by sniper teams in assault missions against armored vehicles or krogan.
    So anti-armored vehicle weapon. Armored vehicles that have kinetic barriers.

    Jensen pistol has
    The Quantum-Tunneling armor-piercing system ionizes a weapon’s projectiles, allowing them to penetrate most armor types before reverting and causing massive damage. w
    which lets it go through armor and revert back to normal bullet form. The effect is limited but unless Kharns armor is really thick it might work. Not sure how well Kharn is taking a bullet to his bare head though.

    Snake has a railgun that rivial a tanks turret.

    Boba Fett has a disintegrator… disruptor? Whatever it’s called ya get le vaporized.

    Batman will combine all thier tech together, uses springfield nuclear power planet, creating and power a suit of mecha armor the like of which the world has never seen before.
    This joke was brought to you by batprep and funded by batmemes

  46. Neon Lord June 21, 2015 at 7:04 pm -      #46

    “Think of it like like covenant weaponry. With sustained fire, it overheats and could explode.”

    That’s a good analogy for 40k plasma. Don’t spam it and treat it well, and it shouldn’t overheat and spill plasma all over you. Kharn’s been using his plasma pistol for close to 30,000 years too, so his must be pretty reliable.

    If someone manually overloads it with tech hax, Kharn should be able to chuck the pistol away before it hurts him.

    “Not talking guns where Chief has the obvious advantage”

    How? Bullet weapons will only scratch Kharn’s paint, and the Rocket Launcher shots can be easily dodged by a Space Marine.

    “, Chief can strike from about 6 feet away ”

    The lethal range against other Spartans though is only about one metre, which is well inside Kharn’s reach. And anybody going into close combat here with Kharn is going to get shredded.

    “Boba Fett has a disintegrator… disruptor? Whatever it’s called ya get le vaporized.”

    We never really see him use it that often, so it’s not his go-to weapon.

  47. Jake_Uzumaki June 21, 2015 at 7:30 pm -      #47

    “We never really see him use it that often, so it’s not his go-to weapon.”

    It depends on his mission sometimes, considering Vader had to specify no disintegrations while looking at and pointing at Boba. I don’t think he’d point at Boba while specifying that if Boba didn’t have a known habit for disintegration of targets. And in the EU he was known to carry two weapons which disintegrate a target, a disintegrator pistol and a Disruptor Rifle. If he sees the Blaster won’t cut which he will notice pretty quickly due to how durable Space Marine armor is he’s not going to just keep shooting he’s going to fall back to a better position or just quickly switch to one of his disintigration weapons. The Disruptor in particular is known to rip apart what it hits at the molecular level, I don’t know if it’ll get through the armor in one hit or not but its there.
    He also has darts that explode on contact releasing a molecular acid..not sure how useful they would be or how effective they would be but worth mentioning.

  48. Epicazeroth June 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm -      #48

    My knowledge of a lot of these characters is limited or developing, so correct me if I’m wrong about any of this.
    =
    So, Kanan just fought against Darth Vader. He got his ass handed to him, but he survived. He also got backhanded like 50 feet straight into a metal crate and got up 10 seconds later.

    So, Lara and 47 are automatically dead, unless Kharn gets caught up fighting other people for the whole time. They stand no chance of hitting or hurting Kharn.

    Can Garrus and Snake hurt Kharn? I assume the Widow can at least, but what about the other weapons? Snake mostly has real-world weapons, right? So only his explosives and fictional weapons would have any effect.

    What weapons specifically does Jensen get? Because “Assault Rifle” is not a weapon he has.

  49. Super Combine June 21, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #49

    @Epicazeroth
    “What weapons specifically does Jensen get? Because “Assault Rifle” is not a weapon he has.”

    He probably meant the FR-27 SFR and Zenith.

  50. Nsl98 June 21, 2015 at 10:35 pm -      #50

    So, Kanan just fought against Darth Vader. He got his ass handed to him, but he survived. He also got backhanded like 50 feet straight into a metal crate and got up 10 seconds later

    Dang, Kanan is looking wayyyyy better than I initially thought. Imma suggest a match.

    I feel like Cap could bring this ragtag group of people together against a common enemy. In this case, Kharn.

  51. Friendlysociopath June 21, 2015 at 10:39 pm -      #51

    Boy, this is just super stacked against Kharn lol (in numbers anyways) Even with the “no teamwork” clause there still wasn’t anything stopping the characters from just shooting at him separately.
    Now that the clause is gone (or was it ever there at all?) and it’s just, “character preference” it’s going to be a hailstorm of various bullets and attacks headed at Kharn.
    Hell, even the characters who have CIS against working “with” others still wouldn’t have a problem with shooting at the enemy that is very conveniently engaged with people that are not them.

    Dang, Kanan is looking wayyyyy better than I initially thought. Imma suggest a match.

    Just please give SE a break lol, the amount of SE we’ve had flying around lately (and are still schedules to have some more eventually) is rising to silly levels.

  52. Nsl98 June 21, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #52

    Just please give SE a break lol,

    I agree. What’s funny is that I suggested some of those months ago :p. And I was thinking Link. Maybe Kratos or Jason Grace.

    the amount of SE we’ve had flying around lately (and are still schedules to have some more eventually) is rising to silly levels

    *is intrigued*
    Do tell? Cecil Harvey? More Cloud? Someone less well known?

  53. Jake_Uzumaki June 21, 2015 at 10:53 pm -      #53

    @Epicazeroth
    really? Damn that’s pretty decent durability for Kanan then.

    As to Garrus’s sniper rifle he’d have to aim for the eye slats in the helmet similar to what the Tau do. Anti-Tank rifle or not I don’t think a Mass Effect Rifle is going to easily penetrate Space Marine armor.

  54. Ordo11 June 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm -      #54

    All we need is Ramirez from honorverse, with a tribarrel plasma canon and this is a stomp.

    So Kharn is being molecularly disintegrated, shot through the eye slits and being shot at by a mini nuke. Yeah this is just short of a stomp.

  55. Commander Cross June 21, 2015 at 11:38 pm -      #55

    @Nsl98 at #52

    Haseo of the Dot Hack(.Hack) universe vs Jason of New Rome in a Weapon-to-Weapon fight may be a fair fight.
    Unless you wanna gun for Balmung of the Dot Hack universe instead, weapon-to-weapon.

    That in mind, I’d third the overdose on Square-Enix regards in general, otherwise bring on Super Robot Wars and/or The Wheel of Time vs Kingdom Hearts and get it over with.
    Which is Overkill-Crazy for now and ought to wait until Project X-Zone 2 gets released.

    So Ironically enough, Kharn’s one of the first to die if we go with First Death Wins, far sooner than expected.
    Also, isn’t Adam Jensen gonna be back in the sequel to Human Revolution somehow?
    He’s likely gonna get Beefier Gear with even more Beefier upgrades later.

    Does Solid Snake has his Unlimited Ammo Bandana on him and stuff like the Patriot Gun on him?

  56. Epicazeroth June 21, 2015 at 11:56 pm -      #56

    @Jake: He can probably do that, unless Kharn can dodge it while fighting other people. How fast do 40K bullets travel?
    ===
    @Ordo: You forgot being hit with electrical attacks and getting caught in all the traps set out for him.
    ===
    Vader also had some good feats in the premiere. He casually lifted two AT-ST’s off of himself – after they fell on him – and was completely unharmed. He resisted mind-probing in a spoilery scene, and also showed pretty amazing piloting skills in the same scene.

  57. Friendlysociopath June 21, 2015 at 11:56 pm -      #57

    Anti-Tank rifle or not I don’t think a Mass Effect Rifle is going to easily penetrate Space Marine armor.

    Anti-Tank + Anti-Kinetic Barrier rifle. I’m not willing to believe Kain can just ignore shots from that.

    I honestly thought Fox would bring more to the table; he’s largely been unmentioned this entire time.

  58. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 12:03 am -      #58

    @Epicazeroth
    “He also got backhanded like 50 feet straight into a metal crate and got up 10 seconds later.”
    /
    You exaggerate.
    That wasn’t fifty feet. He was sent flying 5-15 feet and he rolled across the floor before colliding with a crate.
    It was impressive for Vader though when he took two AT-STs falling on him but it looked like he kinda prepared for it after Kanan and Ezra force pushed him.
    /
    @Super Combine
    “He probably meant the FR-27 SFR and Zenith.”
    /
    I don’t know.
    Lowk gave me Jensen for this match so I have no idea what rifle weapons he had.
    /
    @FriendlySociopath
    “Boy, this is just super stacked against Kharn lol (in numbers anyways) Even with the “no teamwork” clause there still wasn’t anything stopping the characters from just shooting at him separately.”
    /
    How about he one-shots most of them?
    Few are bullet timers, and fewer can take a hit.
    This is aside from the fact that Springfield is really massive even when under the dome. They will only see and hear gunfire if they’re near.
    /
    “Now that the clause is gone (or was it ever there at all?) and it’s just, “character preference” it’s going to be a hailstorm of various bullets and attacks headed at Kharn.”
    /
    Bullets that will only make “Ping!” and that’s about it.
    Only heavy weaponry will hurt Kharn and some are really easy to avoid.
    /
    @Ordo11
    “So Kharn is being molecularly disintegrated,”
    /
    Which has a range of 100 meters and is slow.
    /
    “shot through the eye slits”
    /
    Do basic Space Marine feats not go to Kharn?
    /
    “and being shot at by a mini nuke.”
    /
    Only one here with mini-nuke is Chief, and that’s by manually detonating the fusion reactor in his suit.

  59. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 12:13 am -      #59

    @FriendlySociopath
    “I honestly thought Fox would bring more to the table; he’s largely been unmentioned this entire time.”
    /
    He’s a good pilot and marksman.
    For weaponry, he has a
    -blaster(that has basic shots and charged shots)
    -Machine gun
    -Gatling gun
    -Sniper Rifle(which is a laser)
    -Homing launcher(missile that homes in on locked on enemy
    -Grenades
    -Mines
    /
    For defense he has
    -Shielding. Can take weaponry mentioned above.
    -Barrier shield which is like a time/damage-limit bubble shield around the user to prevent damage to basic shielding.
    /
    For agility, he has good running speed, but I gave him a booster pack, which is basically a jet pack.

  60. Friendlysociopath June 22, 2015 at 12:27 am -      #60

    How about he one-shots most of them?

    Relatively pointless since he’ll never find all of them in 12 hours; all they have to do is all run as far away from him as possible and some will win- pure chance dictates who would survive in that scenario, most debate would be useless.

    This is aside from the fact that Springfield is really massive even when under the dome.

    Yep, almost like Kharn doesn’t have a chance in hell to hunt them all down. Especially since some people will be legitimately hard for him to kill/catch.

    Do basic Space Marine feats not go to Kharn?

    Do basic Space Marines have feats of dodging hypersonic rounds the size of a grain of sand that they don’t know is coming at them? And is his armor so good that multiple rounds of a rifle that penetrates both tank armor and the protective barrier the tank has will do nothing to him whatsoever?

  61. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 12:42 am -      #61

    “Relatively pointless since he’ll never find all of them in 12 hours; all they have to do is all run as far away from him as possible and some will win- pure chance dictates who would survive in that scenario, most debate would be useless.”
    /
    Which won’t happen if some team up to face him.
    You’re right, he won’t find all of them, but I never argued against that. Most of them will die.
    There’s also the fact that they’re surrounded by a glass dome, there’s no escape, and if they do, they automatically lose by permanent BFR since they left.
    /
    “Yep, almost like Kharn doesn’t have a chance in hell to hunt them all down. Especially since some people will be legitimately hard for him to kill/catch.”
    /
    The only one as far as I know he doesn’t have a chance in h3ll of catching is Solid Snake due to octocamo.
    /
    “Do basic Space Marines have feats of dodging hypersonic rounds the size of a grain of sand that they don’t know is coming at them?”
    /
    Which only Solid Snake has in his weaponry while everyone else doesn’t. Only does 15 megajoules.
    Not that it matters since he’s more likely to hide and win than team up with the others.
    /
    “And is his armor so good that multiple rounds of a rifle that penetrates both tank armor and the protective barrier the tank has will do nothing to him whatsoever?”
    /
    Aside from the exposed arm, yes considering they can stand up to bolters.
    That, and Kharn can just dodge or “slap it out of mid-air” like some Space Marines do.

  62. Commander Cross June 22, 2015 at 12:43 am -      #62

    @Alpha or Omega at #58

    Is Power-Scaling specified to be permitted to Kharn as well as those he’s after, for that matter?

    Also what’s said on the Durability of Kharn’s ‘Normal’ Armor in latest incarnations?

    Also where are the Citizenry of Springfield when they’d be very handy in situations llike this for that matter?

  63. Karen Starr June 22, 2015 at 1:00 am -      #63

    Garrus is the one with the anti-tank/ vehicle sniper rifle that fires hypersonic rounds the size of a grain of sand, that’s the gun that is able to go through tank armor and the energy shield’s of also said tank.

  64. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 1:07 am -      #64

    “Is Power-Scaling specified to be permitted to Kharn as well as those he’s after, for that matter?”
    /
    Yes, and if not, then we should stop power scaling Spartans from Halo then.
    /
    “Also what’s said on the Durability of Kharn’s ‘Normal’ Armor in latest incarnations?”
    /
    By “normal” armor as in Space marine armor?
    Tanks bolters. There’s probably some feat or fluff out there where he tanks something heavier.
    /
    “Also where are the Citizenry of Springfield when they’d be very handy in situations llike this for that matter?”
    /
    I cannot specify stuff anymore. It’s past 50 posts.

  65. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 1:13 am -      #65

    @Karen Starr
    “Garrus is the one with the anti-tank/ vehicle sniper rifle that fires hypersonic rounds the size of a grain of sand, that’s the gun that is able to go through tank armor and the energy shield’s of also said tank.”
    /
    Oh whoops.

    While I am to blame for suggesting a match where one of the hunted can possibly beat the hunter, I blame Lowk for giving me the candidate.
    Kharn has a faster reaction time though.

  66. Neon Lord June 22, 2015 at 1:23 am -      #66

    ““Garrus is the one with the anti-tank/ vehicle sniper rifle that fires hypersonic rounds the size of a grain of sand”

    Hypersonic is good. Grain of sand size is not. How is this gun meant to take out tanks by shooting sand-sized holes through them?

  67. Friendlysociopath June 22, 2015 at 2:06 am -      #67

    Kharn has a faster reaction time though.

    For blocking hypersonic+ rounds? Without the shooter being in eyesight? This I’d love to see.

    How is this gun meant to take out tanks by shooting sand-sized holes through them?

    The bullets expand when they hit the target due to space magic.

    There’s also the fact that they’re surrounded by a glass dome, there’s no escape

    You say that like it’s such a handicap- Springfield is a fairly large city, Kharn can only be in one place at once. At minimum it’s 15 square miles, at the most it’s 1.5x size of Alaska.

    Depending on what direction he goes in, he will at all times be moving further away from half of the characters while moving towards the others. Those characters (assuming they do not just all rain attacks on him, several of which are strong enough to hurt/kill him) will continue running away from where they think he is.

    There is no way he can hunt them all down in time and the ones he can hunt and catch is largely a matter of just the luck of the direction he chooses. Combatant ability will be largely irrelevant.

    I cannot specify stuff anymore.

    We could come to a consensus if needed- think the match is slightly screwed though since it’s mainly luck.

  68. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 2:48 am -      #68

    “For blocking hypersonic+ rounds? Without the shooter being in eyesight? This I’d love to see.”
    /
    No, for shooting first.
    And yes, Garrus obviously has feats to show that he can stay out of eyesight and remain stealthy?
    /
    “You say that like it’s such a handicap- Springfield is a fairly large city, Kharn can only be in one place at once. At minimum it’s 15 square miles, at the most it’s 1.5x size of Alaska.”
    /
    Whoa there. Where did you get the numbers for that?
    I don’t ever recall that.
    This is aside from the fact that I gave 12 hours, that’s plenty.
    /
    “Depending on what direction he goes in, he will at all times be moving further away from half of the characters while moving towards the others. Those characters (assuming they do not just all rain attacks on him, several of which are strong enough to hurt/kill him) will continue running away from where they think he is.”
    /
    On the other hand, we have people like Captain America, Batman, and Captain Commando will go out to try and stop him no matter how powerful he is while assembling a team.
    Then there’s Kanan who will only know to fold em if he sees Kharn’s capabilities.
    DoomGuy is gun crazy and the comic show he will take on whoever no matter the size and number.
    Don’t know FallOut dude, don’t care, but if Rookie is right about him, he’s just like DoomGuy.
    /
    And by several, you mean few.
    Solid Snake, Garrus, Jensen, and DoomGuy are the only ones that can harm and possibly take out Kharn. Two which aren’t likely to engage Kharn or join in a team. The other is DoomGuy.
    /
    “There is no way he can hunt them all down in time and the ones he can hunt and catch is largely a matter of just the luck of the direction he chooses. Combatant ability will be largely irrelevant.”
    /
    Of course not, the purpose of this match isn’t “Kharn wins” but “who’s most likely to survive.”

  69. Limbo Lowk June 22, 2015 at 3:02 am -      #69

    “While I am to blame for suggesting a match where one of the hunted can possibly beat the hunter, I blame Lowk for giving me the candidate.”

    To be honest I thought it was the only thing that could equal a 40k bolter and I heard regular space marine swat them out of the air.
    ===
    “He probably meant the FR-27 SFR and Zenith.”

    Yea
    deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_rifle
    ===
    “Hypersonic is good. Grain of sand size is not. How is this gun meant to take out tanks by shooting sand-sized holes through them?”

    How big(and shape) a bullet is is determined by the gun and the user. ME’s gambit range from sand sized rounds to pellets to serrated metal wedges. Krogan have use a gun that fire wrist long spikes.
    I think the tougher weapon use larger rounds then the regular rifles and pistols.
    ===
    “For blocking hypersonic+ rounds? Without the shooter being in eyesight? This I’d love to see.”

    To be fair, as good as Garrus is; aren’t space marine capable of moving in short burst of super speed or some anime-ish pseudo teleport type stuff?
    ===
    “There is no way he can hunt them all down in time and the ones he can hunt and catch is largely a matter of just the luck of the direction he chooses. Combatant ability will be largely irrelevant.”

    The match is basically who can survive. Pretty much everyone is going to have trouble dealing with Kharn.
    Also do Space Marine have radar or thermals or some form of detection in thier helmets? Maybe super sense?

  70. LethalGecko June 22, 2015 at 6:11 am -      #70

    @Neon Lord

    “How? Bullet weapons will only scratch Kharn’s paint, and the Rocket Launcher shots can be easily dodged by a Space Marine.”

    He has an Anti-Material sniper rifle that is more than capable of destroying armored vehicles. From what I’ve seen in the lore, it is more than capable of busting standard power armor, if it was artificer or terminator then it would be different.
    “14.5x114mm Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot rounds” These are more than potent enough as they are depleted uranium, you can google the rest. From what I remember a Las-Gun to the head has killed marines in the past.
    Also, one thing about using a rocket launcher is that against single small targets, you shoot the ground beneath them not a direct hit where you will most likely miss, Kharn can’t dodge a rocket going to the ground beneath his feet unless he moves opposite realizing he’s not actually the one being aimed at.

    “, Chief can strike from about 6 feet away ”

    “The lethal range against other Spartans though is only about one metre, which is well inside Kharn’s reach. And anybody going into close combat here with Kharn is going to get shredded.”

    No, don’t bring gameplay mechanics to a debate, the gravity hammer can and will blitz Kharn from around 6 feet. (No i was wrong, “This weapon consists of a shaft, head, and blade. A field generator, which is located in the head, emits a kinetic pulse (~4.5 meters)” That gives Chief 4.5 meters to strike so I’m giving it 60-40 in Chief’s favor now, Kharn won’t get close enough as he will get pushed away every time and/or killed instantly)

    Now back to what the debate is supposed to be, Chief flies up on top of the power plant and sits there, sniping Kharn if he walks out into the open. He stays there for 12 hours and survives. There’s no logical way for Kharn to climb the chimney nor can his pistol reach. And if he tries climbing the outside by swinging Gorechild into it and punching into it for grip then he’s just asking to get shot down, besides there’s plenty of easier Skulls to reap so he’ll go elsewhere but many others will give him an equally hard time.
    Also if he needs to reach the powerplant or a high up and unaccesable place that requires his jetpack, then he can outrun the average Space Marine (Spartan 2’s are not inferior in every way to a Marine, although it would depend on the person in question)

  71. Neon Lord June 22, 2015 at 7:50 am -      #71

    “He has an Anti-Material sniper rifle that is more than capable of destroying armored vehicles. From what I’ve seen in the lore, it is more than capable of busting standard power armor, if it was artificer or terminator then it would be different.”

    Bullcrap Halo sniper’s are anti-material. I’ve played enough Halo to know that the UNSC sniper pings straight off vehicle armour.

    “Also, one thing about using a rocket launcher is that against single small targets, you shoot the ground beneath them not a direct hit where you will most likely miss, Kharn can’t dodge a rocket going to the ground beneath his feet unless he moves opposite realizing he’s not actually the one being aimed at.”

    Considering the speed at which the rocket moves, a Space Marine can easily move the two or so metres away from the impact point to dodge the rocket.

    “No, don’t bring gameplay mechanics to a debate, the gravity hammer can and will blitz Kharn from around 6 feet. (No i was wrong, “This weapon consists of a shaft, head, and blade. A field generator, which is located in the head, emits a kinetic pulse (~4.5 meters)” That gives Chief 4.5 meters to strike so I’m giving it 60-40 in Chief’s favor now, Kharn won’t get close enough as he will get pushed away every time and/or killed instantly)”

    And where does it say the kinetic pulse is actually lethal up to 4.5m?

    And this fails to take into account that Kharn can move far faster than Chief, and parry the hammer before it even hits the ground.

    “Also if he needs to reach the powerplant or a high up and unaccesable place that requires his jetpack, then he can outrun the average Space Marine (Spartan 2’s are not inferior in every way to a Marine, although it would depend on the person in question)”

    That is debatable.

  72. Messmaker June 22, 2015 at 10:16 am -      #72

    “Hypersonic is good. Grain of sand size is not. How is this gun meant to take out tanks by shooting sand-sized holes through them?”

    According to here :scienceofmasseffect.tumblr.com/post/104426317230/calculating-power-of-firearms-in-mass-effect-1
    They work by going really really fast. Like 0.04 C fast.
    (yes yes it’s tumblr, I know. The math looks good, though.)

  73. LethalGecko June 22, 2015 at 10:20 am -      #73

    I never said that the rocket would be enough to kill him. It is called an anti material sniper rifle halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Rifle_System_99C-Series_2_Anti-Mat%C3%A9riel.
    I didn’t say that it was lethal but Kharn won’t exactly spring back from a strike either, he will be wounded by the blunt trauma and stunned which will follow up with a second strike to kill him but Kharn still has the greater chance in CQC to win. Kharn will not be close enough to parry since the hammer does not have to make physical contact, yes he is faster but the massive striking distance of the hammer will even it out. Also the hammer is 256 cm long which gives even greater reach (A striking range of around 6 meters) And Chief’s maximum speed is greater than that of an average Marine, although Chief is not an average Spartan 2 (Maximum ever was 105kmph i believe but he snapped his Achilles tendon). A spartan’s top sprinting speed is greater than that of a marines but a marine’s average speed and endurance is greater, although Chief can outrun him in the short term plus the jetpack kind of makes a running race obsolete. i have no stats to speak of but this is based on what i remember from a previous debate. Either way you look at it, Chief will survive which is the battle goal, since this doesn’t take into account the other Skulls as well. While Chief will have a hard time beating Kharn one on one it is still very much possible given that both have beaten far more powerful adversaries. I’m a big fan of both Halo and Warhammer 40k (I play the Minotaurs IRL) so i’m not being biased, a fight between these two given the factors i have stated will be purely down to luck. Now if Chief was given an energy sword then Kharn will win, while an energy sword is more than sufficient to slice open power armor, it fails to reach him before Kharn strikes. Also unless it has some sort of incredible resistance feat, i wouldn’t be surprised if Gorechild shatters/breaks when caught in a gravity hammer strike, even one that isn’t lethal to Kharn. If Kharn lost his axe then despite being incredibly skilled and a marine, he will get horribly killed by Chief and the hammer.

  74. Neon Lord June 22, 2015 at 11:01 am -      #74

    “They work by going really really fast. Like 0.04 C fast.
    (yes yes it’s tumblr, I know. The math looks good, though.)”

    A: The calcs are trying to establish the velocity based on comparing the firepower of the weapon with a 20th century battle rifle, which is the other way of how you would normally do a firepower calc (i.e. find firepower using velocity).
    B: A grain of sand going that fast is just going to make a grain-sized hole. It doesn’t matter how much energy the actual round has as very little (comparatively) of that energy is going to be imparted when hitting and passing through the target. It’s the same reason spacecraft don’t explode catastrophically as soon as some piece of high-velocity space dust hits them.
    C: The calc is assuming they are actually firing grains of sand. I would assume that something denser (and therefore with more mass) i.e. a grain of metal, is being fired. Ignoring how the calc’s principles don’t make sense, this would reduce the final velocity.

    In-universe feats, however, are always more useful then such stat information. Are there any showings of the sniper in action?

  75. Neon Lord June 22, 2015 at 11:17 am -      #75

    “I didn’t say that it was lethal but Kharn won’t exactly spring back from a strike either, he will be wounded by the blunt trauma and stunned”

    This is assuming Kharn won’t dodge the slow as crap rockets being fired. And assuming that the rocket’s explosion actually does enough blunt trauma to hurt a Space Marine, which is highly unlikely given that air to surface missiles hitting close to Chief have no lasting effects.

    ” Kharn will not be close enough to parry since the hammer does not have to make physical contact, yes he is faster but the massive striking distance of the hammer will even it out. Also the hammer is 256 cm long which gives even greater reach (A striking range of around 6 meters)”

    Normal people hold a two-handed hammer halfway up the handle, not with their pinky around the bottom end. A reach of 5 metres is also hardly a massive distance. There have been many instances of Marines crossing that kind of distance in something along the lines of “the blink of an eye” or “before I even noticed he moved”

  76. DokuSaki June 22, 2015 at 11:27 am -      #76

    how fast is khan exactly. how fast can he move and how fast can he reach out or swing his weapon?

  77. LethalGecko June 22, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #77

    No i wasn’t referring to the rocket i was referring to the hammer again, my mistake for not making that clearer, I’m not relying on the rocket launcher to kill Kharn at all, in fact i think it’s dead weight.
    4.5+2.5= 7m so i said 6m because of the part where chief is holding it. Chief’s greater hit range and therefore room for more error balances out Kharn’s superior skills and speed. As for crossing that distance, Chief’s reflexes are on par with a Marine (Less than 20 milliseconds), even more so if Cortana is with him.
    Anyway, Chief will survive easily so he’s won his part of the debate, what about the other Skulls?

  78. Super Combine June 22, 2015 at 12:25 pm -      #78

    @Lowk
    “Also do Space Marine have radar or thermals or some form of detection in thier helmets? Maybe super sense?”

    Yeah they have thermal, among many other things like bio sensors.

    “Like powered armour the suit’s helmet contains its combat system. Referred to as auto-senses, features include thought-activated comms-link, bio-status readouts, full diagnostic and self repair functions, microphone, amplifiers, ear-protectors and an auto-reactive photochromatic visor to prevent the dazzling effect of sudden bright lights. Once plugged into his suit (a long procedure which requires the aid of several tech-adepts), the suit’s visor also displays tactical information such as maps, way-point markers, compass, target recognition friend or foe and range-finder information and gives access to all the suits systems.”
    Imperial Armour Volume 4, p.15
    The Anphelion Project – Red Scorpions Terminator”

    “These three were alive, their living signatures throbbing with vital signs in Cython’s HUD.”
    Blood Gorgons, p.62

    “As a matter of automatic reaction, the Blood Gorgons switched to thermal vision. Nothing. Night reflection. Nothing. Multilight overlay. Nothing. It was an unnatural darkness flooding in from the warp.”
    Blood Gorgons, pg 101


    Also, here’s the bit on regular Space Marines ignoring lightning strikes.

    ““Giant forks of lightning, savage and yellow-white phosphorescent, were searing down into the open space, explosively scorching the earth. Though each fork only existed for a nanosecond, they seemed solid and real, like fundamental, physical structures, like upturned, thorny trees. Three Astartes, including Lucius, were struck. Secure in their Mark IV plate, they shrugged off the massive, detonating impacts and laughed as aftershock electrical blooms crackled like garlands of blue wire around their armour for a few seconds.”
    Horus Rising, pg 370


    Chaos Space Marine laughing off a grenade.

    “They laughed as they worked, a drywicked laughter that was frightening in its intensity. From behind the circular saws of an industrial rockcutter, a hooded man lobbed a rock at Sica. He heard a whistling sound and he turned the slab of his shoulder pad towards the missile. There was a flash of light. Even with his eyes closed, Sica’s vision strobed red and bright yellow. It had been a grenade. The explosion pushed Sica slightly and made him grunt with annoyance at his own carelessness. He shot the man off the industrial saw, quickly, as if ashamed.” Blood Gorgons, p.63

    Chaos Lord slapping bolts out of the air.

    “Plague Marines shot at him. Those shots that Gammadin did not slap out of the air, he took against his shoulder plates. Shrapnel puffed against him.”
    Blood Gorgons, p.159

  79. Super Combine June 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm -      #79

    @LethalGecko
    “Chief’s reflexes are on par with a Marine (Less than 20 milliseconds), even more so if Cortana is with him.”

    No, they’re not. Space Marine reflexes are in the microseconds. Chief can’t slap bullets out of the air, much less Bolt rounds. Even if we were being super generous and decided Chief is on par to a Space Marine, it wouldn’t change anything. Kharn has killed dozens of his own Berserkers in CQC.

  80. LethalGecko June 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm -      #80

    I didn’t read that off a wiki or anything it’s just what i remember, it’s quite possible that it’s in the microseconds since they sound similar and i made a mistake. If he has Cortana then he is definitely on par.
    Anyway i think we’re done with the Chief section of the debate, he lives.

  81. Friendlysociopath June 22, 2015 at 12:49 pm -      #81

    And yes, Garrus obviously has feats to show that he can stay out of eyesight and remain stealthy?

    Yes, the sniper has feats of being a sniper. 😆
    And Kharn really isn’t the type to be all that sneaky is he?

    Yeah they have thermal, among many other things like bio sensors.

    Slight problem with that, either the town is populated and so there’s 60,000 extra people on those sensors- or it’s empty, which then makes Kharn’s job harder in a different way.

    To be fair, as good as Garrus is; aren’t space marine capable of moving in short burst of super speed or some anime-ish pseudo teleport type stuff?

    They can move pretty fast (depending on fluff source). But Kharn would have to deliberately be staring at the direction the bullet is coming from, otherwise the bullet would hit him before he even knew it was coming.

    Whoa there. Where did you get the numbers for that?
    I don’t ever recall that.


    Cartoon town is cartoon bro. It’s based off Springfield Oregon, 15 square miles of city. That’s the real-life comparison that isn’t mentioned in the show.
    In the show, parts of the city like West Springfield are remarked to be 3x the size of Texas. And Springfield itself borders several states.

  82. Super Combine June 22, 2015 at 12:53 pm -      #82

    @LethalGecko
    Chief’s reaction time is under 4 milliseconds, theoretically, he could dodge certain types of bullets at certain ranges, but for the most part, when faced with projectile weapons he aim dodges. Also, Cortana isn’t standard gear for him, especially now since she’s dead.

    @Friendly
    “But Kharn would have to deliberately be staring at the direction the bullet is coming from, otherwise the bullet would hit him before he even knew it was coming.”

    This. ME projectiles tend to have a bit of a plasma envelop form around them so they’d be pretty visible, but also inaudible because of their speed, so a shot from behind should work.

  83. LethalGecko June 22, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #83

    You have a point, although I’m not sure how greatly Cortana would have enhanced him.

  84. Ordo11 June 22, 2015 at 1:34 pm -      #84

    In The Fall of Reach he only ever dodges chain gun bullets with her in otherwise he just can take bullets and the occasional plasma rifle hit.

  85. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 1:44 pm -      #85

    “Yes, the sniper has feats of being a sniper.”
    /
    So do we have impressive feats?
    Remaining out of a super soldier’s eyesight?
    Hitting a target vastly faster than human?
    Staying of a radar?
    But if Super Combine is right about Space Marines having microsecond reaction times, they can react to something going at hypersonic speeds anyway.
    /
    “And Kharn really isn’t the type to be all that sneaky is he?”
    /
    Don’t see why it’s relevant.
    /
    “Slight problem with that, either the town is populated and so there’s 60,000 extra people on those sensors- or it’s empty, which then makes Kharn’s job harder in a different way.”
    /
    30,720 people according to wikipedia actually.
    Nevermind that both the combatants and the hunter really stand out from the citizens.
    /
    “They can move pretty fast (depending on fluff source). But Kharn would have to deliberately be staring at the direction the bullet is coming from, otherwise the bullet would hit him before he even knew it was coming.”
    /
    Except Kharn won’t be standing still. He’ll be constantly looking for the skulls. Garrus has no shown feats of hitting someone like Kharn.
    /
    “Cartoon town is cartoon bro. It’s based off Springfield Oregon, 15 square miles of city. That’s the real-life comparison that isn’t mentioned in the show.”
    /
    So we’re going to base it off numbers that we don’t know true enough for a fictional city?
    /
    “In the show, parts of the city like West Springfield are remarked to be 3x the size of Texas. And Springfield itself borders several states.”
    /
    Yes, because jokes and gags are accurate for numbers than exaggerations.
    Cars can get you through out the place and it would still be daylight unless time works vastly different in the Simpsons universe.
    Never mind that if you look at the picture used for this battle, you can see that it looks nowhere near the jokes and gags of the show.

  86. Epicazeroth June 22, 2015 at 1:59 pm -      #86

    @Alpha: “That wasn’t fifty feet.”
    It was certainly more than 5.

    “but it looked like he kinda prepared for it”
    How, exactly, do you prepare for AT-ST’s falling on you?

    “While I am to blame for suggesting a match where one of the hunted can possibly beat the hunter”
    Why? That just makes it more interesting. As long as the hunter has an edge 1v1, dangerous game is better.

  87. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 2:17 pm -      #87

    “It was certainly more than 5.”
    /
    Derp. Still, it doesn’t look anymore than 15 feet.
    youtu.be/2XJCCf9Swdg?t=61
    /
    “How, exactly, do you prepare for AT-ST’s falling on you?”
    /
    By shielding himself with the force as he’s done several times in the series. We even see him raise his hand after being force pushed.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH6YVHGh90
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-i6IlsxAd_qw/VSY38XPbnXI/AAAAAAAKMD8/xqKmC9lGs9c/s1600/p6_12%2Bcopy.jpg
    /
    “Why? That just makes it more interesting. As long as the hunter has an edge 1v1, dangerous game is better.”
    /
    I guess, but that wasn’t the intention of the match.

  88. Super Combine June 22, 2015 at 2:21 pm -      #88

    @Alpha or Omega

    “But if Super Combine is right about Space Marines having microsecond reaction times, they can react to something going at hypersonic speeds anyway.”

    There’s even crazier reaction times than that, but I’ll stick with microseconds since I actually have a quote for it on hand.

    “As the shell seared past, Rangar threw himself flat behind the low pile of rubble trying to make himself as small a target as possible. That had been close, too close. The shot had almost parted his hair. Only his lightning quick reflexes, and the microsecond’s warning provided by his superhuman senses had got him out of the way. If he had ducked half a heartbeat later, his head would have been an exploding fountain of gore and bone.” The Space Wolf Omnibus, pg 269

    Here’s a short story I found in Kharn’s respect thread on the night he betrayed his legion and killed over 1,300 World Eater and Emperor’s Children Space Marines.

    “Hefting the flamer in my off-hand, I swing Gorechild in a wide arc. My timing is perfect – the shrieking teeth of the chainaxe greet the burning man in the instant that he emerges from the archway, cleaving through the armoured gorget, meat and bone. His head strikes the floor before he would even have registered the fresh pain of the blow.
    The tally reading in my visor scores the kill. 1,302.
    A small red icon flashes next to it as the telemter transmits the location. I do not know who receives the data. All I know is that my kills are always waiting for me when I return, fresh skulls jumbled into heaps at my arming post.
    None shall surpass my count this day.
    The old Legion had encouraged “The Contest”. Certainly it was already an established tradition when I first stood before Centurion Gruner upon the training grounds of Bodt, along with the other recruits assigned to his instruction. A Terran-born veteran of the Unification Wars, the Master of Neophytes had eyed us for a long while before growling in his clipped Jermanic accent.
    ‘You are weak. I see that just from looking at you. Stronger than your friends and family ever were – you can thank the Emperor for that. But I don’t think a single one of you has the fire inside.’
    We shuffled nervously under the gaze of this giant, his bare torso rippling with transhuman strength and sporting an elaborate tattoo of some canine predator tearing into its prey. Though our enhancement surgery scars were still fresh, we had been deemed ready to begin our legionary training.
    ‘We do not start with boltguns or the axe,’ he continued. ‘And I don’t tell you how to tie your boots. Instead I show how the War Hounds know who is best.’
    From the burlap sack at his hip, the centurion produced an object and held it out to us reverentially. Empty eye sockets stared from between his oversized fingers in the pale dawn light, the smooth bone polished almost to a sheen.
    ‘All legionaries compete in The Contest. The rules are simple – first to reach one thousand skulls wins.’
    Murmured excitement rippled through the group. One neophyte raised his hand.
    ‘My lord, what do we win?’
    Gruner shrugged. ‘Don’t know. No one has come close enough yet.’
    As he carefully replaced the skull, I warily raised my own hand.
    ‘My lord… where do we get the skulls from?’
    The tattooed giant had roared with laughter, drawing the attention of those other legionaries and neophytes close enough to witness my first humiliation.
    I dismiss the memory with several twitching blinks. My senses return. I shoulder the flamer and quicken my pace.
    The main causeway is treacherous underfoot, the blood which before had run freely upon thhe flagstones now freezing in the plummeting temperatures of the Skalathrax night. Hoarfrost rimes the armour of the fallen, marked with darker patches of cinnabar where Gorechild has done his work.
    Tru enough, I have never known cold like it. Not the deep cold of the tundra on Gedren V, nor the icy gales that scoured the mountain passes on Tekeli. This is cold which burns and bites. A coldwhich threatens to steal away the fire inside.
    But not from me.
    Victory or death. The sons of Angron will never again know defeat. I will not allow it. Our foes will fall, or we will offer ourselves to Khorne in their stead.
    To the west, the keening of another sonic attack echoes in the darkness. My boots skid upon loose debris as I double back towards the sound, the rage building within me once more. Flugrim may have forsaken them, but his bastard children shall pay the price for hi-
    Too late, I spot the ambush. Time slows.
    The shadows around me erupt in a blaze of bolter fire, shells detonating and peppering the flesh of my bare army with shrapnel. In the milliseconds before I leap, I count three shooters and nother concealed figure.
    My pistol is in my hand before I leave the ground and a burst of incandescent plasma vaporises the head of the nearest attacker.
    Momentary regret over the loss of the skull. 1,303.
    A stray bolt strikes my breastplate, sending my leap wide and forcing me to dispatch the concealed warrior with an improvised backhand strike. I whirl around to cleave through the boltgun of the third before slamming him insensible to the floor and hurling Gorechild to the left. The chainaxe bites deep into the throat of the last legionary, and arterial blood strikes the vaulted roof of the arcade. 1,305.
    The rage fades. I stand over the prone warrior as he scrabbles to find a weapon.
    Words. Anger. His face is familiar to me.
    Gruner.
    Backed into a corner amongst the bodes of our fallen brethren, he speaks of madness and of betrayal. He curses me, the berserker champion who would strike down his own Legion once more.
    Whelp-master. Who are you to doubt me?
    I was the first to stand upon the walls of the Imperial Palace. I was the last to be borne away from Terra, my body broken by the slaying of one million of the Emperor’s lackeys through the breach at Lions Gate.
    None shall ever surpass my count.
    The Contest is over. I won.
    The weakness of others is the reason we were defeated. Weakness in the other Legions, and our own. If this is all that remains of the honour of the World Eaters, then I am glad to be called their betrayer.
    1,306.”
    The Weakness of Others

  89. Limbo Lowk June 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm -      #89

    “And yes, Garrus obviously has feats to show that he can stay out of eyesight and remain stealthy?”

    He essentially spent his time on omega being military Batman… Or I guess just Punisher.
    Here are a few of his highlights
    Noted Criminal Deaths on Omega

    Rhi’hesh Shurta (gang leader)
    – Headshot

    Selkeet Shiriron (gang enforcer)
    – Headshot

    Kron Harga (slaver)
    – Gunshot wounds (all extremities and primary organs)
    – Rifle butt fracture to face
    – Third-degree burns to most of body (explosive crate)

    Har Urek (saboteur)
    – Suffocation (environmental suit malfunction)

    Gus Williams (weapons smuggler)
    – Headshot (smuggled weapon)

    Thralog Mirki’it (red sand dealer)
    – Chemical overdose (red sand, direct contact with all four eyes)

    Zel’Aenik nar Helash (viral specialist, serial killer)
    – Cough


    When Garrus isn’t with Shepard his tactic tend to involve killing from a distance or sabotage and remaining hidden. He got a way with a criminal killing spree because they couldn’t catch him. Iirc the only reason they caught up was because one of the squad he recruited turned on the team.
    ===
    “In-universe feats, however, are always more useful then such stat information. Are there any showings of the sniper in action?”

    I don’t think there is any cutscene or quote for the Widow other then the description.
    However here are some bits of weaker sniper rifles in action:
    Quarian in armor
    “A flash of agonizing fire erupted in her shoulder as a hyperaccelerated projectile no bigger than a pin sheared effortlessly through the ablative plates of her body armor before exploding in the flesh and bone underneath. The impact spun her around and sent the pistol flying from her hand. She felt her kneecap disintegrate and she collapsed to the ground”
    -Mass Effect Ascension

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6QSGJ9UmE
    @12 seconds splitting Vorcha in half.

  90. Friendlysociopath June 22, 2015 at 2:54 pm -      #90

    Yes, because jokes and gags are accurate for numbers than exaggerations.

    “I used a cartoon city and am annoyed that it’s not obeying the rules of physics.”

    Don’t see why it’s relevant.

    Noted, you do not see why that was relevant.

    Remaining out of a super soldier’s eyesight?

    Kharn can see as far as Sniper rifles now?

    Except Kharn won’t be standing still. He’ll be constantly looking for the skulls.

    Kharn will of course be moving at top speed the entire time without ever stopping to look around or anything; certainly not actually doing his job as a hunter. And not one of the skulls will in any way force him to actually stop for a fight.

    Never mind that if you look at the picture used for this battle, you can see that it looks nowhere near the jokes and gags of the show.

    A couple hundred helicopters are carrying a bulletproof, glass dome large enough to cover an entire city. Nope, no gags here.
    In that same movie Springfield borders Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky.

    Hmm, I think I’m gonna make a match with Shepard and his squad- sounds fun.

  91. Limbo Lowk June 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm -      #91

    CURSE YOU AWAITING MODERATION!
    ===
    “Except Kharn won’t be standing still. He’ll be constantly looking for the skulls. Garrus has no shown feats of hitting someone like Kharn.”

    If he is trying to Catch Kharn while he is in action, that might be difficult. However Garrus has sniped a weakpoint of a flying craft before causing them to have to retreat. Then managed to hold back three different criminal organizations at bay on sniper skill alone.
    Besides that his custom visor Includes:
    – Magnification up to 100x, integrated target tracing, optional wind/gravity compensation solutions
    – Sonar, LADAR, thermal, and EM targeting capable


    So while he might not get a solid hit he could still possibly get a round off on him from a distance. It is all in how it is approached. He he has time to lay some traps, messes with his visor, or causes Kharn’s gun to explode it might afford him time for a shot… or time to slip away.

  92. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 3:21 pm -      #92

    “I used a cartoon city and am annoyed that it’s not obeying the rules of physics.”
    /
    “I have found no large numbers and now will use the simpsons being a “cartoon” to handwave everything.”
    /
    “Noted, you do not see why that was relevant.”
    /
    Because Kharn obviously needs stealth to kill a few people here.
    /
    “Kharn can see as far as Sniper rifles now?”
    /
    Yes. Here is a marine hitting someone from 2.5 km away and ricocheting the same shot to hit another person over there.
    “Only Mingzhou kept some measure of in her head. ‘He’s over twenty-five hundred meters away.’ she assured them. ‘Someone with the best lasrifle on Castellax couldn’t pick off a target from that range. We have to get out of here before he can close the distance.’

    As she spoke, Algol raised his arm, the graceless bulk of a bolter clenched in his fist. Without pause or hesitation, the Space Marine fired. From the other side of the tractor, Deacon screamed and fell, his chest ripped to splinters by the bolter’s explosive shell.

    …before Algol fired again, the legionary’s shots smashing into the engine block.

    …Almost casually, the Iron Warrior adjusted his grip on the bolter, tilting the barrel downwards ever so slightly.

    …The bolter cracked again. Taofang cried out as he watched Mingzhou’s body jerk up and strike the underside of the tractor. Her body slumped back against the side of the ferrocrete paving, blood streaming from her shattered flesh. Instead of closing upon her and coming within the range of the sniper’s rifle, the Iron Warrior had fired his shot into the floor several meters in front of the tractor, deflecting his shot so that it arced beneath the vehicle and struck the woman hidden there.”
    SoC, Pg. 345
    /
    “Kharn will of course be moving at top speed the entire time without ever stopping to look around or anything; certainly not actually doing his job as a hunter. And not one of the skulls will in any way force him to actually stop for a fight.”
    /
    If Kharn has microsecond reaction times, all he would need is a glance.
    And yes, because Garrus happens to be everywhere Kharn can be and keep up with him.
    /
    “In that same movie Springfield borders Ohio, Nevada, Maine, and Kentucky.”
    /
    Which is clearly a gag by picking States that aren’t close to each other.
    What happen to the state inbetween?
    Which obviously makes it a gag.
    /
    Also love how you ignore the fact that cars can still travel through out Springfield all under a day.
    Makes the claim of it being 3x Texas wrong.
    /
    And if you want me to be nitpicky, Springfield’s state borders those areas. Not Springfield. So it only applies to the state, not the city anyway.

  93. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 3:28 pm -      #93

    @Lowk
    “However Garrus has sniped a weakpoint of a flying craft before causing them to have to retreat. Then managed to hold back three different criminal organizations at bay on sniper skill alone.
    Besides that his custom visor Includes:
    – Magnification up to 100x, integrated target tracing, optional wind/gravity compensation solutions
    – Sonar, LADAR, thermal, and EM targeting capable”
    /
    Huh, dang, that’s a pretty good feat.

  94. Epicazeroth June 22, 2015 at 4:30 pm -      #94

    @Alpha: “Derp. Still, it doesn’t look anymore than 15 feet.”
    Looks more like 20-25 to me, but whatever.

    “By shielding himself with the force as he’s done several times in the series. We even see him raise his hand after being force pushed.”
    1) When has he done that before? When has anyone?
    2) He raised his hand like an inch. We see and hear the walkers hit the ground; it’s more likely he was going to stop them from falling but didn’t have time.

    “Which obviously makes it a gag.”
    Everything in the Simpsons is a gag. There is no canon.
    ===
    Specifically, Garrus held off the three most powerful gangs in the galaxy for over a day (IIRC) from one building.

  95. Super Combine June 22, 2015 at 4:35 pm -      #95

    Uhm, unless I’m missing something here we can see the size of the dome in the OP picture and it’s not more than a few kilometers across at best. It doesn’t even cover the whole of Springfield, much less multiple states.

  96. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 4:42 pm -      #96

    @Epicazeroth
    “Looks more like 20-25 to me, but whatever.”
    /
    It was a pretty good one-handed throw I’ll say.
    /
    “1) When has he done that before? When has anyone?”
    /
    I literally posted a youtube video and a comic scan showing Vader doing that.
    The youtube video is where he blocks Han Solo’s blaster fire.
    The scan is where he puts a force field around himself and Aphra to prevent rubble falling on them.
    /
    “2) He raised his hand like an inch. We see and hear the walkers hit the ground; it’s more likely he was going to stop them from falling but didn’t have time.”
    /
    Except we see him make a gesture before the walkers hit the ground, it’s more likely that while he couldn’t move out in time, he could move his hand to use the force.
    /
    “Everything in the Simpsons is a gag. There is no canon.”
    /
    I’m aware since I’ve been watching the Simpsons for a while, but that doesn’t mean you can use a gag or a joke as something quantifiable or seriously.
    It’s a moot point anyway since it refers to Springfield’s state than Springfield itself.

  97. Friendlysociopath June 22, 2015 at 4:57 pm -      #97

    I have found no large numbers and now will use the simpsons being a “cartoon” to handwave everything.

    Going to ignore the writer flat-out stating Springfield is based on an existing Springfield huh? Good luck with that.

    Because Kharn obviously needs stealth to kill a few people here.

    Still not seeing that point I guess?

    And yes, because Garrus happens to be everywhere Kharn can be and keep up with him.

    Likewise Kharn will always be facing just the right direction to deflect Garrus’ shots when he has no worldly idea where Garrus is and may or may not be engaged with another enemy.

    Also love how you ignore the fact that cars can still travel through out Springfield all under a day.

    Can’t pick and choose your canon pal, it’s all equally good. You picked a cartoon battleground, deal with the consequences.

    Yes. Here is a marine hitting someone from 2.5 km away and ricocheting the same shot to hit another person over there.

    So bolters have the range of sniper rifles… shit like this is why I really don’t like 40K lore.

  98. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm -      #98

    “Going to ignore the writer flat-out stating Springfield is based on an existing Springfield huh? Good luck with that.”
    /
    Going to ignore the fact that copies doesn’t make it the same thing as the original.
    Deadpool is based on Death Stroke but he is nothing like Death Stroke.
    /
    This is aside the fact that it was NAMED after WoG’s Springfield. But, it’s clearly based on the another Springfield from another show according to word of god.
    www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/matt-groening-reveals-the-location-of-the-real-springfield-60583379/
    “Springfield was named after Springfield, Oregon. The only reason is that when I was a kid, the TV show “Father Knows Best” took place in the town of Springfield, and I was thrilled because I imagined that it was the town next to Portland, my hometown. When I grew up, I realized it was just a fictitious name. I also figured out that Springfield was one of the most common names for a city in the U.S. In anticipation of the success of the show, I thought, “This will be cool; everyone will think it’s their Springfield.” And they do.”-Matt Groening
    /
    Then, there’s the fact that it’s also named after Mike Scully’s Springfield in Massachusetts.
    Springfield, according to word of god, is meant to be a generic town in the US.
    So clearly, we cannot use real life equivalents.
    /
    “Still not seeing that point I guess?”
    /
    Then what’s the point your trying to make?
    /
    “Likewise Kharn will always be facing just the right direction to deflect Garrus’ shots when he has no worldly idea where Garrus is and may or may not be engaged with another enemy.”
    /
    I never said Kharn would facing his direction, I said Garrus wouldn’t hit Kharn because he can’t keep up with him.
    And of course, Garrus is keeping track of Kharn all day and can never lose sight of him.
    /
    “Can’t pick and choose your canon pal, it’s all equally good. You picked a cartoon battleground, deal with the consequences.”
    /
    Love how you did not at all counter the quoted statement that cars still travel throughout Springfield.
    You also didn’t counter the fact that I mentioned the battlefield picture shown on this very page for the battle image.

  99. Ordo11 June 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #99

    Hey I got a crazy counter to that bullshit. Honor Harrington from Honorverse can hip fire and take out a professional duelist in her first duel, then goes on to place three rounds in a mans heart after rolling and being shot in the shoulder. She also shoots him before this other overseer dude does. His non explosive shots happen to be hypersonic I believe 2000 m/s was?

    Anyway still need to explain how he’s gonna get Boba Fett as he’ll probably fly onto a roof and disintegrate at least most of his armor.

  100. Alpha or Omega June 22, 2015 at 5:33 pm -      #100

    “Anyway still need to explain how he’s gonna get Boba Fett as he’ll probably fly onto a roof and disintegrate at least most of his armor.”
    /
    The disrupter, as I said before, has a range of 100 meters, and is slow.

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