TYPE-MOON Vs Final Fantasy

TYPE-MOON Vs Final Fantasy

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TYPE-MOON will go up against Final Fantasy.

Who will win?

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45 Comments on "TYPE-MOON Vs Final Fantasy"

  1. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #1

    First, what’s Type Moon?

    Second, my boi Sephy has dat Black Materia that blows up planets.

  2. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #2

    Umm…which FF? Because IIRC Each game is a separate universe. Unless we’re using every FF Univverse. Than the odd’s are pretty iffy but I’m gonna go off to root for Nasuverse. Because every Saber-class servant has varying levels of magical resistance.

    That and we have all the people who have conceptual weapons or just ridiculous levels of hax like Lancer, Saber, True Assassin, Gilgamesh, Heracles, Arcueid, Shiki Tohno, and umm…I’ll get back to this when I can think of the other people who would make this match all the more fun.

    @Nsl98

    Darn so close! I’m not exactly the best person to answer your question to explain what Type/Moon is. Also Type/Moon also has a weapon that fires much faster is considered an “Anit-World” Noble Phantasm.

  3. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #3

    @Mono
    You aren’t first. :)

    Because IIRC Each game is a separate universe.

    Friendly, have at him. You explain this part good.

    Plus, I googled Type Moon. Japanese game company with visual novels and anime-ish stuff. Not really my thing, but whatever.

    Will continue research later.

  4. Dragoonlord June 19, 2015 at 12:23 am -      #4

    I’m gona side with Type-Moon here cause I actually know about Fate, and from what I’ve seen from final fantasy I’m not impressed.

  5. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 12:27 am -      #5

    TYPE-MOON is the company that makes Fate/stay night and other visual novels.

    Entirety of Final Fantasy though? Let’s see- biggest guns FF has off the top of my head…
    Time Travel (Ultimecia)
    Planet-Busting (Sephiroth)
    Life-Wiping Magic (Kuja)
    Immortality (Caius)
    City-Destroying Lasers (Kefka)
    God of Magic (Kefka again)
    City-Destroying Cyclones (Emperor of Palamecia)
    Capable of lifting continents (Warring Triad… or Kefka again)
    Island Destroying Magic (Exdeath)
    BFR/Life-Wiping Void (Exdeath again)
    Multiversal Destroyer (Cloud of Darkness)
    ehhh, think that’ll do for now.

    If people want to say Saber Magic Resistance can take stuff like Sephiroth’s Meteor and such, they’d better have a damn good reason beyond- “Anti-Magic stat”.

    Friendly, have at him. You explain this part good.

    It’s pretty obviously intended to be the entire FF franchise; which in all likelihood is a multiverse. I’ll go into detail if needed but it’s honestly not that important for this- except for maybe some powerscaling for Summons and a few characters.
    Don’t think it’s needed though, not without nerfs anyways.

  6. wingedlion June 19, 2015 at 12:39 am -      #6

    …This is kind of a heavy mismatch.
    Not sure what Typemoon can do to universal beings.

  7. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #7

    @Friendlysociopath

    Ah thank you I was always curious about the explanation.

    No Saber’s Magic Resistance isn’t meant for such scale of magical prowess such as Sephy’s Meteor. Though the likes of Firaga and other End-game spells that are considered the best of the best. (Besides the likes of Ultima, Metoer, etc.)

    Also this match feels awfully…small seeing as the Cloud of Darkness as it stands goes uncontested and solo’s the entire Type-Moon side. Though then again I don’t know how The Cloud of Darkness works in destroying the Multiverse. Still at the end of the day CoD Solo’s.
    -*Edit*
    @wingedlion

    Yeah it is. Unless the Multiverse buster is removed it’s a stomp. Though if it’s removed I’m guessing we could debate the fight albeit it still may be very one-sided.

  8. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 12:54 am -      #8

    …This is kind of a heavy mismatch.

    I’m guessing Namer either hates Fate/stay or was seriously underselling Final Fantasy. Unless Fate has some massive OP people I don’t know about.

    Ah thank you I was always curious about the explanation.

    Ah well let’s see, been a while since I had to do this one.
    1) Gilgamesh is canonically the exact same person, and appears in multiple Final Fantasy games. This by itself pretty much brings it to multiverse status.
    But wait- there’s more!
    2) Ivalice is a kingdom that is present in several Final Fantasy titles, these titles also share summons and eidolons with one another.
    3) Dissidia, while not confirmed as canon- was also not confirmed to be uncanon. SE said, “Fans can decide for themselves.” Which, for me, is good enough.
    4) Summons- many of them are exactly the same throughout different titles, not proof of a multiverse, but a decent stroke in the right direction.
    5) Several worlds are directly stated to be connected- for example, the little Shin-Ra boy in FFX is confirmed to eventually start the Shinra company in FF7.

    Though if it’s removed I’m guessing we could debate the fight albeit it still may be very one-sided.

    You’d have to remove pretty much every final boss for it to be remotely fair, and that still isn’t counting some of the random shit like Bahamut being able to strike from orbit and Titan splitting mountain ranges.
    or the continent shaking bombs.

    FF7- alone- would probably be hard for Fate/stay since they’ve got a couple thousand casual bullet-timers… oh shit- I FORGOT VINCENT.

  9. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 1:01 am -      #9

    @Friendlysociopath

    I’m almost afraid to ask…But what’s Vincents two cents in this stomp? From what you’re telling me this isn’t a contest let alone a skirmish.

  10. wingedlion June 19, 2015 at 1:09 am -      #10

    Though if it’s removed I’m guessing we could debate the fight albeit it still may be very one-sided.

    Especially since FF outnumbers them with what being a multiverse and all.

    “You’d have to remove pretty much every final boss for it to be remotely fair”

    Hmm? Why? I’m pretty sure not every final boss is universal. Who else besides CoD and Exdeath?

    “FF7- alone- would probably be hard for Fate/stay since they’ve got a couple thousand casual bullet-timers…”

    Considering even some of the masters can bullet time that’s not really that impressive, nevermind Servants who are supersonic.

  11. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 1:09 am -      #11

    But what’s Vincents two cents in this stomp?

    He’s like, Chaos Incarnate or something. And a total BAMF with guns and hax.

  12. wingedlion June 19, 2015 at 1:11 am -      #12

    Damn duplicate comment

    “FF7- alone- would probably be hard for Fate/stay since they’ve got a couple thousand casual bullet-timers…”

    Also, i missed this. What do you mean by couple thousand?

  13. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 1:22 am -      #13

    @Nsl98

    Ah. Joy. More boots to stomp with. Man I love a good stomp match especially of this caliber.

  14. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 1:28 am -      #14

    I think ff has this in a stomp. Type-moon does not have anything on the level of Sephiroth and Kefka. both are gods, Not to mention something along the lines of Sin or Vincent (chaos form.) I know saber si strong but sephi and kefka can wipe out planets like they are nothing. And since AC sephi don’t even need materia and has access to every single materia to ever exist in any final fantasy 7. Ther’re only hope is the grail and even then people in final fantasy like chaos and cosmos have reality manipulation.

  15. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 1:30 am -      #15

    @DokuSaki

    Well I wouldn’t go as far as to say that Sephy is a god, I’d say he’s pretty high up on the FF Tier-List but AFAIK he’s not worthy of being called a god. That and IIRC doesn’t it take quite some time for Sephy’s Meteor to actually show up and do it’s business?

  16. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #16

    @Mono
    That and IIRC doesn’t it take quite some time for Sephy’s Meteor to actually show up and do it’s business?

    Friendly’s thesis on Meteor:

    Charge up time, no; arrival time, yes. There were extenuating circumstances, which is actually going to be a fairly long list:
    Shinra went Armageddon on the Meteor and fired giant missiles at it to try and destroy it with enough bombs that the explosion causes everyone around the entire planet to be blinded. I can’t actually imagine how powerful that blast would have to be.
    Meteor’s counterpart, Holy, had been used; Holy is meant to outright stop Meteor from destroying the planet.
    Sephiroth suppresses Holy for those two entire weeks, while Meteor is still incoming.
    And then there’s the massive barrier than nobody can penetrate that Sephiroth raised, which manages to tank anything thrown at it except for one of the biggest guns in Final Fantasy powered by essentially all of the power Midgar can produce.
    Then there’s Cloud and company actively fighting Sephiroth inside the crater while the meteor is almost there. Sephiroth is also controlling everything with Jenova cells in them, minus Cloud.

    Essentially, Sephiroth was fighting off the planet and everything on it- and Sephiroth was winning.
    Also, note that since Holy and/or the Lifestream wouldn’t be present, the Meteor does not stop simply because Sephiroth is killed. Meaning every Sephiroth match should end in a dead planet unless his opponent can stop it.

  17. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 1:36 am -      #17

    @Monocrome
    Word of gods say he’s god. I can find the quote if you don’t believe me.

  18. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 1:40 am -      #18

    @Doku
    Word of gods say he’s god.

    I mean, Kratos is called a god and look how far that gets him. Unless they have actual feats on the level of godhood, they aren’t actually “gods.”. Just super powerful in their own verse.

  19. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 1:43 am -      #19

    Well than it seems he’s got impressive feats afterall….though I still personally think he’s the most unimpressive final boss for every FF game I’ve seen so far. But that’s just me.

  20. Numinous One June 19, 2015 at 1:59 am -      #20

    youtu.be/lFtAzjoG2Yk
    Go to around 5:20

    That’s how this match should play out, except, you know, Nasuverse doesn’t have shields like that to my knowledge.

  21. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 1:59 am -      #21

    @nsl
    Thing is we don’t know his limits we’re nto seen him. we know he does nto need mana and has all the magics. we know he can spam summons and all that. but we enver seen him go all out. he can only be described as godly because it he beyond anything in his universe.

  22. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 2:09 am -      #22

    @Doku
    Ummm, pretty sure we’d just say his limits are what he’s been shown to do.

    Which is:
    -Being an extremely casual bullet timer
    -Having access to all Materia
    -Physically strong enough to slice up building chunks
    -No qualms with using planet busting Materia
    -Strong will
    -Being a prick

    So yeah. He has limits. Just cuz he’s beyond those of his verse, it doesn’t justify godhood.

  23. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 2:45 am -      #23

    @nsl
    Oh really?
    Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children producer Yoshinori Kitase has said, “Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.”
    “ascended to a new level of existence”
    Same guy. for that one trying to find the interview. It’s also said that he was just toying with cloud because he hates him that much. If the rivalry was not there, well he would go balls to the wall.
    Also he does not have access to materia. He’s above that, to him they are just paper weights. He know magic and how it works like no other.

  24. Nsl98 June 19, 2015 at 2:51 am -      #24

    @Doku
    Mmmmmm, ok.

    Still no source provided.

    “Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.”

    Yeah. In his verse. Which I’ve been saying the whole time btw.

    “ascended to a new level of existence”

    Technically, Buudhists can ascend to a new level of existence. It doesn’t make them magical swordsmen.

  25. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 3:10 am -      #25

    @NSL
    Bearing in mind that you meet a god in crisis core (minerva) and he is stronger than that. Look what minerva did to Genesis in the end cut scene. And Minerva is a cannon god as described in LOVELESS.But she is best described as the consciousnesses of Gaia.
    Also bear in mind that means he is stronger than anything final fantasy 10 and has access to any and all knowledge they do. Than includes Yu yeven and Sin. He can solo city busting monsters called weapon like Vincent did and even then Vincent had Death penitently and Chaos hacks. Sephiroth is alot stronger than you think.

    I cannot find decent sources for the interview or i would post them.

  26. Rookie June 19, 2015 at 3:40 am -      #26

    @DokuSaki

    “here is nothing stronger, nothing above him.”
    “ascended to a new level of existence””

    Yeah he lied. Cloud kicked Sephiroth’s ass three times now, not counting Dissidia events.

  27. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 3:47 am -      #27

    @rookie
    Actually i can explain that. If you really would like. The simple answer is coz sephi a troll.

  28. Dragoonlord June 19, 2015 at 3:50 am -      #28

    Quick question. Whats the strongest weapon in the final fantasy universe? I ask this question because there is a certain character in Fate/Zero who can grab any weapon, and instantly knows how to use it to it’s fullest potential this counts even for weapons he hasn’t even seen before.

  29. Rookie June 19, 2015 at 3:54 am -      #29

    @DokuSaki

    “Actually i can explain that. If you really would like. The simple answer is coz sephi a troll.”

    Should Sephiroth have a multiversal stats Cloud would not be able to scratch him, troll Sephiroth or no. Cause durability still a problem.

    @Dragoonlord

    “Whats the strongest weapon in the final fantasy universe? ”

    Probably the weapons which heroes used against Neo Exdeath, because he is the strongest villain by feats in FF verse. But we have no canon info which weapons heroes used.

  30. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 4:43 am -      #30

    @rookie
    Sephiroth did not trance-form and did not even try and not take damage. What happens if he dies? he goes back to lifestream and then just comes back in another form. Sepha Sephiroth is of that level. But basic form si not. Anyway i presuming in this sphi goes all out.

    Anyway the strongest weapon that comes to mind is either black materia which can planet bust of ex – death’s void hacks.

  31. Cypher June 19, 2015 at 4:49 am -      #31

    I’m inclined to think only the Final Bosses of FF sway it in their favor, and it ain’t Kefka or Sephiroth that will be doing much to the high tiers.

    It’ll be the void-related Final Bosses like Exdeath or CoD, and probably Bhunivelze who can make things a stomp.

    With those out of the equation, these beings are likely going to be able to clean up everything else.:

    typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Aristoteles

    Origin Servants are also going to be a problem. Origin Gilgamesh via Faster Than Light ship that can travel from one end of the galaxy to another for instance, or Caster reducing the distance from the Horsehead Nebula back to the Milky Way Galaxy to 0.

  32. Rookie June 19, 2015 at 4:49 am -      #32

    @DokuSaki

    “black materia which can planet bust”

    That’s actually not even strongest spell in FF. Not even in top 3 strongest.

  33. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 5:09 am -      #33

    @rookie
    I would say time compression is the strongest spell.

  34. Rookie June 19, 2015 at 5:17 am -      #34

    @DokuSaki

    “I would say time compression is the strongest spell.”

    Heroes beat time compression villain without outsider help. They needed help against Neo Exdeath though.

  35. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 5:27 am -      #35

    Not really neo ex death is not in the league of kefka and sephiroth. Don’t like my wrong he’s my fav tree and all but not on their level.

  36. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 6:39 am -      #36

    I’m almost afraid to ask…But what’s Vincents two cents in this stomp?

    He bitch-smacks the physical manifestation of the planet’s lifestream back to the planet after it tries to leave. Said manifestation is the size of a city.

    Hmm? Why? I’m pretty sure not every final boss is universal. Who else besides CoD and Exdeath?

    Because even the “smaller” threats like Sephiroth and Kuja have no equal among the Fate/stay characters.

    Also, i missed this. What do you mean by couple thousand?

    Deepground, SOLDIER, pretty much the entirety of Deepground is said to be equal to Soldier 2nd class- which is what Zack is at the beginning of Crisis Core.
    I was thinking more in regards to, “Servants need their Masters alive.”

    Whats the strongest weapon in the final fantasy universe?

    What qualifies as ‘strongest’? Greatest destructive potential? Would magic count or would it need to be an actual weapon? Their best stuff is magic, something you can’t really “grab”.
    Black Materia would be on the list.
    Giant of Babel might be another.
    Ultima in its FF9 incarnation is pretty strong.
    Weapons… there’s some pretty big guns I guess? FF really isn’t big on individual weapons being that important.

    Origin Servants are also going to be a problem.

    Nothing I’m seeing on the wiki leads me to believe so. They seem to top out at continent busting.

  37. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 8:58 am -      #37

    Also, for those who never really got into FF13 (including myself) be sure to check out Numinous’ post #20.

  38. Namer June 19, 2015 at 9:33 am -      #38

    I undersold Final Fantasy and oversold Type-Moon.
    .
    Anyways, Multiversal level beings are out on either side.
    .
    Servants… let’s handwave them to not requiring a Master to be present. They are being supported by Gaia. Their parameters are at optimum. For the purposes of the match, Fate/Extra is canon.
    .
    TYPE-MOON isn’t as outmatched here as it appears. It’s higher ends have conceptual hax, such as the stronger Dead Apostle Ancestors or Shiki with Mystic Eyes of Death Perception
    .
    Zelretch stopped the Crimson Moon from smashing into the Earth, a feat arguably equal to or greater than the Lifestream stopping Meteor.
    .
    The Night of Wallachia can’t be bruteforce killed and requires some king of special concept, seeing as he exists merely as a living phenomenon that affects the world around him, despite not having any form whatsoever.
    .
    Primate Murder, the First Dead Apostle, is described as having the absolute right of killing humans. It takes seven Beasts of Alaya to bind it. One Beast of Alaya is essentially a “Fuck this, nuke it all” response from the collective will of Humanity, Alaya. If you gave EMIYA infinite prana and told him to spam Caladbolg II, you have a Beast of Alaya.
    .
    Plus, Ado Edem with Slash Emperor counters beings such as Giant of Babil and the various Weapons pretty well. At least some servants, Karna or Arjuna, go up to planet-busting. Extra CCC Gilgamesh is a galaxy-buster.

  39. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 9:47 am -      #39

    @friendly
    “He bitch-smacks the physical manifestation of the planet’s lifestream back to the planet after it tries to leave. Said manifestation is the size of a city.”

    That would be Minerva, she is the physical manifestation of the planet is is also the secret boss in crisis core. What you are talking about is Omega weapon. That is a weapon created by the planet with the sole purpose of ending all life so it may go into the lifestream and then go from gaia to the cosmos. In short Omega and Chaos are hunter killers made by the planet. And Vincent killed one of them. Thats just a correction.

    Why do you think Ex death or CoD are so strong? Because if it is to do with sucking things in the void then i say you got it all wrong just look at gilgamesh.

    Not to mention you have the likes of Golbez and Zeromus who can Mind control. Then there is Kuja who destroyed an entire city then a planet because he realized him being mortal is a thing.

    Then there is Ultimacia and Garland for Time hacks and reality manipulation.

    And if it’s all the universes
    Then there Ultima and Zodiarc (FFT). Not to mention all the decent mages in the games.

  40. wingedlion June 19, 2015 at 10:28 am -      #40

    @Freindly
    “Because even the “smaller” threats like Sephiroth and Kuja have no equal among the Fate/stay characters.”

    Hardly. Gilgamesh has Ea, an anti-world noble phantasm that destroys the world by tearing reality apart. And then there’s BB, who can do the same thing by literally turning everything into imaginary space and consuming reality. Neither Sephiroth nor Kuja are really a big deal in this thread.

    “Deepground, SOLDIER, pretty much the entirety of Deepground is said to be equal to Soldier 2nd class- which is what Zack is at the beginning of Crisis Core.”

    Really? I see then. Regardless it’s still not a big deal. Iskander’s Ionian Herotai contains thousands of heroic spirits, who as i said before are Supersonic.
    Final Fantasy may be winning this, but it’s not going to be because of people like Sephiroth or Kuja. Planet buster are thing that the Nasuverse already has. It’s going to be because of Universal beings plus the fact that it’s basically 15 universes against 5.

    @Narmer
    “Karna or Arjuna, go up to planet-busting. Extra CCC Gilgamesh is a galaxy-buster.”

    I’m pretty sure Karna isn’t a planet buster. Also, As i said before, those are not galaxies, those are energy fields.

  41. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #41

    @Doku
    Is that all addressed to me?

    Gilgamesh has Ea, an anti-world noble phantasm that destroys the world by tearing reality apart

    Fair nuff, I’m only barely familiar with Fate/stay, that didn’t come up in anything I saw.

    It’s going to be because of Universal beings plus the fact that it’s basically 15 universes against 5.

    To be fair, in any universe vs universe battle it more or less comes down to, “Can their biggest gun take our biggest gun?”

  42. DokuSaki June 19, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #42

    @friendly most of it. I’d say about 80%.

    @winged
    “Hardly. Gilgamesh has Ea, an anti-world noble phantasm that destroys the world by tearing reality apart. And then there’s BB, who can do the same thing by literally turning everything into imaginary space and consuming reality. Neither Sephiroth nor Kuja are really a big deal in this thread.”

    That will not matter when time is compressed and final fantasy does have entire line of mages that can bend space and time. As well having a Galaxy Mage.

    “It’s going to be because of Universal beings plus the fact that it’s basically 15 universes against 5.”

    Well it’s more like 44 really. Gotta include those extra titles.

  43. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 11:43 am -      #43

    Well it’s more like 44 really. Gotta include those extra titles.

    Eh, considering several are the same factual world- it’s more like 10 universes.
    Unless you subscribe to the Continuous Line theory, which I do not use because I frankly prefer multiverse than one world over and over again.

    Edit: Actually, I stand corrected, Crystal Chronicles is still FF. So yeah, that’s like 20+ universes.

  44. wingedlion June 19, 2015 at 11:48 am -      #44

    @DokuSaki
    “That will not matter when time is compressed and final fantasy does have entire line of mages that can bend space and time. As well having a Galaxy Mage.”

    IIRC time compression is a slow process. Plus is there any reason that Gilgamesh can’t just blast Ultimecia to oblivion?
    Also, what do you mean by having an entire line of mages that can bend space and time? And what magus is galaxy level?

  45. PrimusxPilus June 19, 2015 at 11:51 am -      #45

    Nice match. Following.
    Magic pot solos. Jk

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