Links Vs Ventus, Terra and Aqua

Links Vs Ventus, Terra and Aqua

Suggested by The Unknown Soldier

Wind Waker / Hourglass Link, Twiligth Princess Link & Acarina of Time / Mejora’s Mask Link from Legend of Zelda will go up against  Ventus, Terra & Aqua all first time here from Kingdom Heart.

Kingdom Heart Team are all max out with all finish attacks & comands forms / They cant use slow, stop, sleep spells magic.

AoT / MM Link can turn into his adult self in this battle.

All Links have all there Items and Power Ups from there own Time Line / Games.

Battle Field = Islands from Wind Waker.

= Keyblade Graveyard from KH BBS.

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96 Comments on "Links Vs Ventus, Terra and Aqua"

  1. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 12:14 am -      #1

    Well it seems rather slated towards the Loz side seeing as some Links can use time-stops, polymorphs, Infinite Magic, Invincible Armor (Not sure if it’s any of these guys but I’m fairly certain it’s one or multiple of these Links), yet the Kingdom Hearts side can’t use their own Time-stop spells. Though I’m not certain if OP meant all their magic or just the spells stated above. But seeing as magic immediately follows afterwards I’m not sure…..

    Also First! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  2. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 1:30 am -      #2

    Well geez- them KH nerfs. Is that a ban on all magic or just sleep and time fuckery?

    Let’s see, what hax stuff do we still have that isn’t banned? Eww, this is gonna be a messy list… needs some formatting.
    For a quick note- Aqua manipulates ice, Terra manipulates earth, and Ventus manipulates wind. They all have a variety of attacks that are just different versions of that.

    Everyone
    Zero Gravity- AoE gravity manipulation, suspends enemies helplessly in the air.
    Transcendence- See above, but with the added effect of hurling enemies away after a time
    Freeze Raid- Covers keyblade in ice and hurls it at the enemy, freezing them solid if struck.
    Everyone has at least one command that allows them to teleport to and around the enemy.
    Everyone can imbue their weapons with the ability to poison, confuse, and stun their enemy- these are accompanied by extensions of energy out of the keyblades to increase the reach.
    Everyone can summon mines around themselves that will stun enemies when they explode.
    Everyone knows Esuna, so no status effects will stay on them.
    Deep Freeze- Freezes all nearby enemies
    Mega Flare- Screenwide blast
    Mini- shrinks nearby enemies to be small enough to step on
    Vanish- makes themselves invisible.
    Explosion- creates a large explosion with 100% chance to stun foes

    Aqua
    Barrier- Aqua can summon a barrier that blocks nearly any attack it comes across. Additionally, it can confuse or stop all enemies in the area when activated. Not sure what its limit is but I doubt any of the Link’s are uber-strong beyond anything she faced.
    Also is the greatest magic user of the group, has a variety of spells that fire magical beams, pulses, and assorted things at her enemies.

    Terra
    Zantetsuken- Terra moves faster than the eye can see, slicing his opponent and killing them outright.
    Dark Haze- Terra cloaks himself in darkness before striking, his enemy will then be doomed to die within 5 seconds.
    Chaos Blade- Terra teleports to his target and attacks them, each strike having the chance to blind or bind his foe.
    Warp- BFR spell
    The strong one of the group, uses darkness a bit too much and ends up paying for it.

    Ventus
    Tornado Strike- Ventus conjures up tornadoes to lift his opponents in the air and harm them.
    Salvation- Ventus summons many columns of light to hurt enemies, heals himself too.
    Faith- Summons magical pillars of light again, heals Ventus when cast.
    Tornado- Ventus creates a tornado that sucks enemies up and traps them
    When successfully blocking an opponent, he can heal himself or cause several status effects to strike his enemy.
    The fast one of the group.

    Ugh, I’ve probably missed things- Aqua’s section is depressingly small but that’s already a lot of info to process as is.

  3. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 1:43 am -      #3

    I’d say it’s rather easy to process or maybe that’s just me using the powers of the night to enhance brain functions…

    Anyway yeah I’d say until we get some kind of deliberation on the magic situation and the Links Hax equipment status it’s kind of in the air on who will win. Though I’m gonna go with Kingdom Hearts for now. Even without their magic they should prove capable of taking on the Links.

    Though with the image used I’d humorously think it’s Vanitas possessing Ventus with the X-Blade which would be hilariously interesting. Though I do believe we all know better that it’s usual Ventus.

  4. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 2:03 am -      #4

    I’d say it’s rather easy to process

    Not if you haven’t played the game; a decent chunk of pilers have not played them. I figured listing every command in the game would be… less effective than a gradual dose.

    Even without their magic they should prove capable of taking on the Links.

    It’s more a matter of how capable they are- since the KH characters are all bullet-timers, they automatically surpass Link in RT and fighting speed. I just don’t recall solid strength feats.
    Since you played Birth by Sleep, do you remember the Stitch scene with Ventus?

    Oh btw, they can shoot pretty far with their magic.. Sora can hit the moon.

  5. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 2:17 am -      #5

    ‘Since you played Birth by Sleep, do you remember the Stitch scene with Ventus?’

    I’m not entirely sure but I can pull the scene up again. Seeing as how it’s been awhile since I played (Which reminds me to pick the game up again to replay the entire series for a story I’m writing but off topic)

    Also when did Sora hit the Moon? Because I’m so due for a replay through of the entire series.

  6. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 2:26 am -      #6

    I’m not entirely sure but I can pull the scene up again.

    Supposedly it gives Ventus a FTL feat by reacting to Stitch’s ship while it was in Hyperdrive. I’d never buy it on its own, but they do have quite a set of different reasons for them to be pretty fast…

    Also when did Sora hit the Moon?

    Halloween Town, Sora can’t just shoot the air to make that keyhole- he has to hit an object to focus the power. There’s only one object in that scene that he could’ve hit.
    @5:38
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlKojjRmVI#t=344

  7. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 2:41 am -      #7

    Oh goody goody gumdrops. I forgot about Halloween town….with good reasoning. It was misery…in the form of too dark to see where exactly I was going and looking way too much the same. even to this day I think I’ll get lost…again.

    Anyway I pulled up the scene. The only time it has Ven and Stitch’s ship together in one scene is where they’re escaping together. Even then their was no FTL reaction. Just the Hyper Drive being engaged and Ventus being knocked away by the waves of energy released from the hyper drive activating.

  8. LadyRamkin June 17, 2015 at 3:07 am -      #8

    *Ocarina of Time
    *Majora’s Mask

    “Sora can’t just shoot the air to make that keyhole”

    He didnt really make the the keyhole, The keyholes are just naturally present. From what i can tell from that scene, he shoots the laser into the air, it explodes above they key hole one ground and locks it, can’t say he hit the moon.
    – – –
    Wind Waker / Hourglass Link
    Can freeze time, instantly. Without any kind of ceremony. As long as he has Phantom Sphere’s, and since he should statr at optimum fighting capacity he should have at least one, but i think he can carry 9 of them. Has magic armour which is nice

    Twilight Princess Link
    Also has magic armour, other than that he doesn’t really bring anything to the table.

    Ocarina of Time / Majora’s Mask Link
    Has limited control over time, can give himself, or potentially others infinite magic for 3 days. Can transform into a deku scrub (meh), Goron (Hmm), Zora (Eh) and the fierce deity (Ooh).
    The giants mask lets him become… giant.
    The stone mask makes him “as unnoticeable as a stone”
    Also has Nayrus love, which is essentially magic armour.

    All 3 have blades of evils bane, which might do nothing here since darkness is not inherently evil.
    Iron boots, bows, bombs, hook/claw shots. ect.

  9. LadyRamkin June 17, 2015 at 3:15 am -      #9

    “All Links have all there Items and Power Ups from there own Time Line / Games”

    I assume this means that they have the Items and power ups from the games that they appear in and not from the whole branch of the time line they appear in.

  10. Limbo Lowk June 17, 2015 at 3:37 am -      #10

    Doesn’t links time stop require doing a figure 8 with the sword?

  11. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 5:03 am -      #11

    Link dies.

  12. pimpmage June 17, 2015 at 5:08 am -      #12

    Hows about both sides are stripped of time stops… because it would be absolutely stupid if both sides are completely frozen in time indefinately. It helps nothing if both sides have the power. So focus on the match as if they didnt have the power.

  13. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 5:16 am -      #13

    Aqua vs Monstro:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=wMt29V06H1E

    0:43 instantly vaporizes the entire room full of enemies
    0:50-end fights with Monstro, who’s able to outdistance the Highwind while its in the Lanes Between.

    Terra and Aqua both have feats of blocking Braig’s sniper fire.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7OEUKuuYo

    6:17 Terra tanks a rock formation slamming into him, gets back up, and falls off a small mountain
    6:49 Aqua slams into the ground and makes a crater, gets back up

  14. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 5:39 am -      #14

    Also, Terra’s current incarnation can be one of two people.

    Exhibit A: Lifeless BAMF that practically takes a max Sora to beat:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9uCkW9ZRtQ

    ^0:45 onward

    Option 2: Xemnas, Mr. “I TK skyscrapers and open up world destroying portals.”

    Take your pick 😀

  15. Alpha or Omega June 17, 2015 at 6:11 am -      #15

    “Doesn’t links time stop require doing a figure 8 with the sword?”
    /
    The player does that.
    I think Link raises his sword though.

  16. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 6:42 am -      #16

    I still need to wonder whether magic or not is prohibited because OP isn’t clear enough with his writing…

    That and the Majora’s Mask Incarnation, we allow him his most hax item? Sounds wonky to me. (Seeing as IIRC Fierce Deity mask essentially makes Link Invincible or he does so much that his durability is irrelevant, not sure didn’t play the LoZ games)

  17. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 7:29 am -      #17

    (Seeing as IIRC Fierce Deity mask essentially makes Link Invincible or he does so much that his durability)

    It’s a featless mask that makes him durable enough to take LoZ boss hits.

    And makes him slower, lose his items, and shoot lasers.

    Not very useful in a Vs setting, imo.

  18. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 7:41 am -      #18

    @Nsl98

    Oh goody! More Lasers Ventus has lasers for everyone let’s just give him a buddy that fires more lasers! I can tell it’ll be quite the beaming relationship.

    Anyway if the Fierce Deity mask is as useful as you say it is than just the slight modification of removing the LoZ Time stops as pimpmage suggested and elaboration on the situation of magic usage and we’ll be A-Ok.

  19. wingedlion June 17, 2015 at 9:15 am -      #19

    “6:17 Terra tanks a rock formation slamming into him, gets back up, and falls off a small mountain
    6:49 Aqua slams into the ground and makes a crater, gets back up”

    Terra also takes a rain of blades in 7:21.

    Terra also had a really neat strength feat in the original version of that fight. Unfortunately as they don’t show it again in the new version that might not be viable anymore.

    “Option 2: Xemnas, Mr. “I TK skyscrapers and open up world destroying portals.”

    Though they may share the same body, Xemnas and Terra aren’t really the same person.

    “I still need to wonder whether magic or not is prohibited because OP isn’t clear enough with his writing…”

    What’s so confusing about it?
    Going by the OP, only the stop, sleep, and slow spells are banned. Everything else is fair game.
    Or were you talking about the Links?

  20. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am -      #20

    @Winged
    Though they may share the same body, Xemnas and Terra aren’t really the same person

    Eh, I always thought of it as Xehanort being the dominant personality with Terra kinda just too weak and submissive to fight back. Although he does share some of his memories, based on the secret entries in 358/2 Days and that whole room with Aqua’s armor in it.

    Although KH3 might have Sora rescuing Terra.

    @Mono
    and elaboration on the situation of magic usage and we’ll be A-Ok.

    I’ve yet to see Overlord show up for one of his matches in the past few months. This thread might just stay as it is, unless we all agree on something or Admin comes.

  21. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 9:55 am -      #21

    @wingedlion

    _Kingdom Heart Team are all max out with all finish attacks & comands forms / They cant use slow, stop, sleep spells magic._

    I was referring to the fact that Magic appears immediately afterwards even though the spells were already specified. Which can be possibly interpreted as no magic at all.

    @Nsl98

    Fun, OP suggests a match and doesn’t show up. Always good times. Most likely scenario’s gonna be we all agree on something seeing as how the stipulation isn’t as serious hindering as stipulations go. But still I like to clear up possible loose ends.

  22. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #22

    So we’re all of an accord? No Time Fuckery for both sides? And apparently no Sleep for KH?

  23. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #23

    So we’re all of an accord? No Time Fuckery for both sides? And apparently no Sleep for KH?

    I’m down with that.

    OP didn’t ban Mini, though.

    The trio could shrink Link 3, then step on them. (Which is actually what you do in the games.)

  24. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 11:56 am -      #24

    “Twiligth”, “Acarina”, “Mejora’s”, “comands”, “cant”, “spells magic”, “AoT”.

    Too many misspellings and grammatical errors for my taste. Link in Phantom Hourglass can only stop time with the help of Ceil from what I’m aware of, that’d be considered outside help. Also, Chateau Romani milk only grants Link magic that’ll last for three days. There’s nothing about it being infinite.

  25. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 12:06 pm -      #25

    Also, what does this mean?

    Battle Field = Islands from Wind Waker.

    = Keyblade Graveyard from KH BBS.

    ^Are the locations being switched every round or something?

    Wait, are there seperate rounds?

    Or are they merged somehow?

    Please come back to us Ultimate Overlord!

  26. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #26

    @Mea quidem sententia

    For the time limit that sounds infinite to me. Unless of course he can use up all that magic in one go that is. If not I’d consider it infinite magic for three days.

    @Friendlysociopath

    Sounds good I’m for it.

    @Nsl98

    I think it’s essentially pick a battlefield and go with it. Seeing as he didn’t elaborate too much on the battlefield.

  27. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 12:13 pm -      #27

    Hey, Friendly.

    You can see people’s post numbers, right? And when they did it?

    When was Overlord’s last post? That should let us know if he’s still interested in coming back to FP.

    @Mono
    I think it’s essentially pick a battlefield and go with it. Seeing as he didn’t elaborate too much on the battlefield.

    Now to decide that, I guess.

  28. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #28

    @Monochrome
    It’s not infinite.

    “It seems that drinking Chateau Romani makes your magic power last for three days . . .” – Gossip Stone

    Anyone who has been saying it’s infinite needs to prove that this is supported by canon.

  29. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #29

    @Nsl98

    I’d say The Keyblade Graveyard. I mean the place is the kind of place badasses go to throw down without a care for collateral damage. Then again I don’t know anything about these Islands from LoZ.

    @Mea quidem sententia

    Your quote contradicts itself seeing as how it says it “Last for three days” So in essence Link can throw his magic around without rest or need for care. So as I said before.Thus he has infinite magic for three days. That and now that I think back to it every LoZ fight says the drink gives infinite magic for three days IIRC.

  30. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 12:19 pm -      #30

    But Terra has lived there for 10 years now. He’d know it inside out.

    And Wind Waker has like, a bunch of Islands to choose from…

  31. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #31

    Link tops out at arrow-timer right? In terms of RT and so on? If so, he’s simply not fast enough to combat bullet-timers.
    He might get a few lucky blocks with his shield but the speed advantage (plus the ability to absolutely spam teleport) means in a physical fight with any of the KH crew he’s outclassed.
    Magic is just sort of the icing on the cake in terms of hax.

    Oh, don’t forget that Terra, Aqua, and Ventus are are very experienced with fighting alongside one another- Link does not have the same advantage.

    When was Overlord’s last post?

    2015/05/15
    Give him a chance, it’s only been a few hours; he might not even know his match was posted yet. Unknown Soldier was the suggester though?

  32. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 12:21 pm -      #32

    Powder kegs produce 2.64 tons of TNT.

    Bombs from WW produces 162.51 kilograms of TNT.

    Super bombs produce 0.79 tons of TNT.

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  33. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #33

    @Monochrome
    Um, no. If I have a pantry full of food that will last me for a week, it doesn’t mean I have infinite food until a week has passed.

  34. Nsl98 June 17, 2015 at 12:25 pm -      #34

    @Friendly
    means in a physical fight with any of the KH crew he’s outclassed.

    I think with the right gear, he could take Donald, Goofy, and Demyx.

    Unknown Soldier was the suggester though?

    He was, but Ultimate Overlord seemed cool. Plus, haven’t seen him in a while.

  35. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 12:33 pm -      #35

    @@Mea quidem sententia

    I’d give you props but that comparison doesn’t work. Seeing as how it’s magic in his body it’s there for three days. So unless the game and every debate that Link match where he’s had the drink. You’re telling me that everyone who said it are wrong? Fair enough allow me to correct this.

    “The drink itself is stored in containers such as bottles, and when consumed, it replenishes the drinker’s health and also boosts magic stamina for three days, providing Link with an endless supply of magic until the restoration of the three-day cycle.” That was a quote from the drink’s Wiki Page.

    *Edit
    I couldn’t find a video but every source I see so far indicates that it IS infinite for the three day cycle.

  36. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 12:40 pm -      #36

    @Monochrome
    It does work, actually.

    “It seems that stocking up your pantry makes your food source last for three days . . .”

    You could literally replace this with anything.

    “It seems that eating the Caloric Coconut makes your kilocalories last for three days . . .”

    Lore > everyone else’s bullshit assumption

    Unless you can quote from the lore, all assumptions are just that.

  37. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #37

    @Mea quidem sententia

    Alrighty than please remember that for future reference when another Link match pops up. I’m certain they’ll love to hear it.

    Also it isn’t an assumption. Once you get the Chateau Romani in game it lasts for all three in game days. *Sarcasm mode initiated* So again, I want you to refute the claim that the Chateau Romani drink doesn’t give Link infinite magic for three days. *Sarcasm mode disengaged*

  38. LadyRamkin June 17, 2015 at 12:51 pm -      #38

    “Doesn’t links time stop require doing a figure 8 with the sword?”

    No, the player has to draw the figure 8. Unless you want to say link has to tap the ground to move and press the a button to counter?

  39. Alpha or Omega June 17, 2015 at 1:01 pm -      #39

    “Link in Phantom Hourglass can only stop time with the help of Ceil from what I’m aware of, that’d be considered outside help.”
    /
    To replenish time stops?
    Yes.
    To use time stops?
    No.

  40. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 1:02 pm -      #40

    @Monochrome
    I’ll be sure to. It’s not like humans are infallible and appealing to the opinion of fans doesn’t prove anything. You’ve heard the saying, “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.”

    The magic lasts for three days in-game. You cannot go beyond that point, except by dying or by completing the game. Taking it personally won’t change the truth.

  41. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 1:08 pm -      #41

    @Mea quidem sententia

    So you’re no longer denying that the Chateau Romani drink that lasts for three days gives Link an infinite magic pool for three days? Also I’m not taking it personally. I’m telling you a fact. It’s only when you deny said fact that it’s agitating. I’m certain the LoZ fans will tell you Chateau Romani=Infinite Magic for Three Days.

    @Lady Ramkin and Alpha or Omega

    Doesn’t the Chateau Romani drink grant you Infinite Magic for the three day period Majora’s Mask?

  42. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #42

    @Monochrome
    I deny it’s infinite magic. I acknowledge that we won’t see Link run out of magic because there’s only three days to play the game. No contradiction. I don’t care what fans have to say. I’ve seen enough to know they inflate characters’ abilities.

    I don’t know why you’re asking LadyRamkin and Alpha or Omega. They don’t work for Nintendo and their words aren’t higher than canon.

  43. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 1:15 pm -      #43

    For the love of-
    @Mea and Mono
    You’re both saying the same damn thing with different words.
    Link has 3 days where he has Infinite Magic, after the 3 days he will not have Infinite Magic.

  44. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 1:19 pm -      #44

    @Friendlysociopath
    We aren’t saying the same thing. Monochrome is saying magic is infinite for three days. I’m saying it only lasts for three days, just like a pantry stockpiled with food that’ll last for three days. See the difference? I haven’t seen “infinite”, “unlimited” or “limitless” for the Chateau Romani milk.

  45. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #45

    See the difference?

    Nope, because I assume in the game you can use magic as much as you please and it doesn’t diminish at all during those 3 days. In which case it would indeed be infinite.

    ^If that is not true then I apologize and would very much like to know who started a massive farce over Link having unlimited magic.

  46. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 1:26 pm -      #46

    @Friendlysociopath

    I believe the proper way to explain (IMO) is that Mea is saying that their’s enough magic that would last for three days worth of magic. While I’m on the differing opinion that it’s Infinite Magic for Three days afterwards it’s back to usual limited magic meter. We were discussing the Chateau Romani Milk that once consumed gives Link an Infinite Magic Meter for the three day period. Started at around post #24 seeing as how nothing before as far as I can see is discussed about Chateau Romani though I’ll most likely re read the posts to see where Chateau Romani Milk was said before post #24

  47. Monochrome June 17, 2015 at 1:33 pm -      #47

    Ah Found it in Lady Ramkin’s post #8

    “can give himself, or potentially others infinite magic for 3 days” It doesn’t directly refer to Chateau Romani milk but it’s the only in-game item that fits the bill.

  48. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 2:31 pm -      #48

    I believe the proper way to explain (IMO) is that Mea is saying that their’s enough magic that would last for three days worth of magic. While I’m on the differing opinion that it’s Infinite Magic for Three days afterwards it’s back to usual limited magic meter.

    Indeed, but this is fairly simple in that we just need someone who has played the game to say, “After drinking the thingy- your magic meter will not decrease when you use magic for 3 days.”
    And that’s proof enough that it would be unlimited magic for 3 days.

    ^That’s how I always understood it to work, no matter how much Link uses magic during those 3 days it will not run out. I however have not played any Legend of Zelda games and so do not know myself.

    Although, considering it’s entirely in character for KH to speedblitz, I don’t see a Link being able to drink that and then cast spells anyways.

  49. Mea quidem sententia June 17, 2015 at 5:15 pm -      #49

    You’ll never go past three days because there’s only three days that you have in the game. Even if you cheated so that you drank Chateau Romani milk the moment you stepped through the double doors and activated something like the lens of truth, you’ll never be able to prove that Link’s magic becomes infinite.

    Every magic item and weapon consumes magic differently. Light arrows will consume more than the lens of truth. The fact of the matter is that this alleged “infinite” magic cannot be proved, except by a description from lore. “Infinite” magic is a fan-made concept.

  50. Friendlysociopath June 17, 2015 at 8:41 pm -      #50

    you’ll never be able to prove that Link’s magic becomes infinite.

    Perhaps not infinite in theory, but close enough in practice. To wit:

    Every magic item and weapon consumes magic differently.

    And so it’s simple, what does drinking that thing do to the gameplay involving magic costs?
    Does the magic bar simply replenish faster than Link can spend it?
    Does it simply stop going down when magic is cast?
    Does Link just gain the ability to use magic if his resource is fully depleted?

    If Link’s magic will replenish faster than he can expend it- it’s for all intents and purposes infinite.
    If Link’s magic ceases to have a cost, it is for all intents and purposes infinite.

  51. Envoy June 18, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #51

    “So we’re all of an accord? No Time Fuckery for both sides? And apparently no Sleep for KH?”
    +
    Even with that gone Blind, Bind, Mini, Warp, Confuse, and Freeze are hax enough to take this. Also, Re:Coded says Keyblades grant resistance to time stops for about 120 seconds.

  52. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 11:17 am -      #52

    @Friendlysociopath
    More like infinite in theory, but not in practice.

    It changes Link’s magic meter blue. The meter never diminishes when magic is used. It doesn’t replenish faster than he can expend it. It’s not like magicka in Skyrim where upon using Highborn, magicka drains and then replenishes.

    If magic can last for three days, then the meter isn’t going to show it unless Link can use it all in less than three days. It’s like playing Donkey Kong Country where having more than 99 lives will show “99” on the top right, but losing a life won’t change it to 98, since there’s more than 99, so the number of lives will still show “99”.

  53. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 1:06 pm -      #53

    Did you really type this with a straight face?

    The fact of the matter is that this alleged “infinite” magic cannot be proved, except by a description from lore.
    Description from lore
    from lore.
    Regardless of how pedantic you want to be, the fact of the matter is you CAN’T deplete your magic after drinking the milk. You can spam magic for 72 game hours and it doesn’t drop. Therefore, for 3 game days, you have INFINITE magic. Yes there’s a time limit, so it’s not conventional infinite, but within the parameters it is infinite magic. Your pantry example is flawed because unless your pantry replenished what you took out for that week, it’s not a comparable example.

  54. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 1:08 pm -      #54

    Not like this match will take three days so I have no clue why you’re harping on it. Take it to a thread it’ll actually be a factor.

  55. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm -      #55

    @PrimusxPilus
    I did type that with a straight face. The fact that you can spam magic for 72 hours doesn’t prove it’ll last for more than three days. As I said before, if you had Chateau Romani and activated it from the beginning, it’d never run out, and it could never be proved that the magic use exceeds a 72 hour duration. If you can prove that, or if you can use canon, I’ll concede. Until then, don’t get bent out of shape because I’m not buying into the bullshit so many have all these years.

    Not that you can have it from the beginning, since in order to do that, you’d have to cheat. You’ll only end up acquiring the milk a little after 10 pm on the first day. And as I said before, it doesn’t help that different magic uses consume magic differently.

  56. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 2:19 pm -      #56

    Nobody is saying it’ll last for more than three days. It’s infinite within those three days. How hard is that to grasp? Within certain parameters (3 days per the friggin game), your magic is infinite. Who is dating it would last longer than that? Also, as I said, this match wouldn’t last that long so of you’re going to contest it actually contest it where it would make a difference. I’m not bent out of shape over the milk, but you’re inability to see something so simple. Sometimes you can be so smart you look past the obvious.

  57. Kara Zor-El June 18, 2015 at 2:24 pm -      #57

    “The fact that you can spam magic for 72 hours doesn’t prove it’ll last for more than three days.”

    I think this is where the bulk of the confusion is coming from. They’re not saying it’s infinite forever. They’re saying that for a duration of 3 days/ 72 hours Link has unlimited access to magic. His mana will never run dry, no matter how much he uses it, until the effects of the item wear off, after 3 days/ 72 hours.

    Edit: Hadn’t refreshed, and missed Primus’ post.

  58. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 2:41 pm -      #58

    So. Many. AC fails…..
    *cries*

  59. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 2:49 pm -      #59

    Maybe you two missed my comparisons.

  60. Limbo Lowk June 18, 2015 at 3:07 pm -      #60

    “You’ll only end up acquiring the milk a little after 10 pm on the first day.”

    So more like 2 days + a few hours then.

  61. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 3:40 pm -      #61

    Saw your pantry comparison, which was inherently flawed. If it has enough food that one can eat nonstop for three days, and it’s still full, then within the parameters of “three days” you had infinite food. You ate nonstop and didn’t dent your supplies. Having three day’s worth of food automatically applied rationing, which is not the case here. Your Donkey Kong comparison is closer to a possibility, where the account is so large even removing from it is of negligible effect. That COULD be the case, but since with the magic you literally CANNOT drop it a tick, for all intents and purposes, it is infinite within the parameters of three days. No matter what comparison you want to make, within the three day maximum, using whatever methods possible, one cannot drop the magic bar. It is mechanically infinite.

  62. LadyRamkin June 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #62

    Ocarina of time Link, and Wind Waker Links magic armour run on magic (Twilight princess Links magic armour runs on money). While their magic armour is active they cannot take physical damage. Ocarina of time like can still be moved, not sure about Wind Waker Link.
    – – –
    I have never actually used Chateau Romani in game before, so im not really sure how it works mechanic wise but the lore description is

    “It seems that drinking Chateau Romani makes your magic power last for three days…”

  63. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm -      #63

    Mechanic wise your magic bar turns blue and remains completely full until you go back in time.

  64. LadyRamkin June 18, 2015 at 4:55 pm -      #64

    “Mechanic wise your magic bar turns blue and remains completely full until you go back in time.”

    I don’t want to read too much into that……
    BUT
    If it only lasts until he goes back in time. Then would that mean that Chateau Romani doesn’t just effect biology. I mean. If he drinks it, it should keep effecting him even after his return to the start of the first day, since it is in his system and everything.

    That would mean that Chateau Romani actually applies some kind of magical effect for the specific time period after it is consumed….

    All of which is irrelevant nonsense. But speculation is fun.

  65. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 5:12 pm -      #65

    @PrimusxPilus
    It’s not inherently flawed because the description from the Gossip Stone clearly says it allows Link’s magic to last for three days. A pantry that’ll last three days could last longer, depending on how much one needs to consume and how many people are present. We’re not concerned with the latter, however.

    Your argument presupposes that the magic is infinite, which you’ve failed to prove. What’s worth noting is after acquiring Chateau Romani from Madame Aroma, the description tells us Link’s stamina is improved. If at any time we were going to be told it was infinite, it should have been clearly stated as “infinite”, “unlimited”, “limitless”, or any other synonym for “infinite”.

    You could liken this to the stamina potion+, which will last for three minutes. Whether you try using it all up or not in less than three minutes cannot be proved. We must go with the idea that it’ll last for an exact three minutes.

  66. LadyRamkin June 18, 2015 at 5:20 pm -      #66

    “A pantry that’ll last three days could last longer, depending on how much one needs to consume and how many people are present. We’re not concerned with the latter, however.”

    A pantry with enough food to feed a thousand people for a thousand years, will contain enough food to last for 3 days. And more.

    If all the potion does is give link a big old hunk-o-magic. Then it gives him enough so that no matter how much he uses, he cannot possibly use it all in the 3 day period. Making it essentially infinite, if not actually infinite.

    We know that Link has so much magic that he cannot possibly use it all in 3 days. So it really does not matter if it is infinite or not.

  67. Friendlysociopath June 18, 2015 at 5:29 pm -      #67

    So it really does not matter if it is infinite or not.

    Eh, if a person had the ability to steal magic from others it would matter; then we’d have to really decide whether it’s infinite or not.
    But nobody here can do that.

  68. LadyRamkin June 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm -      #68

    “But nobody here can do that.”

    Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that, it really does not matter if it is infinite or not.

  69. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 5:51 pm -      #69

    He doesn’t understand qualifiers like “for all intents and purposes”, “mechanically”, “within these parameters”, “essentially” and heads up: “functionally.

    my premise presupposes nothing. Within the time frame you cannot lessen the magic bar one iota. It is functionally infinite.

  70. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #70

    @LadyRamkin
    That’s not what’s being said.

    @PrimusxPilus
    Qualifiers aren’t being used in the lore. Your premise presupposes that the magic is infinite, which you’ve failed to prove. You’ll always end up within the time frame because even if you used lens of truth upon the first day or fired light arrows from the first day, then magic will never exceed it. It’s not to say it’s infinite, it’s just that no matter how you argue it, it’s going to last for three days.

    It’s like Christians who say God is never late and he’s always on time. You could never prove he’s late, but your assumption will always be he’s on time, especially when you prayed weeks ago for a miracle. No matter how you see it, it’ll always last for three days.

    In-game, you may say it’s infinite because the game is programmed that way, but so what? That doesn’t mean it’s canonically infinite, and that’s all that really matters.

  71. Friendlysociopath June 18, 2015 at 7:15 pm -      #71

    In-game, you may say it’s infinite because the game is programmed that way, but so what?

    Just to help those of us (mainly me) who haven’t played any LoZ games- exactly what evidence is there that it is not an infinite source of magic so far as 3 days are concerned?

    Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that, it really does not matter if it is infinite or not.

    Well it was more or less agreed that KH would easily win (or at least it wasn’t really debated otherwise) and so the thread is being used to flesh out an issue with how a character is represented on BankGambling.

  72. Messmaker June 18, 2015 at 7:20 pm -      #72

    The in-game lore says it’s infinite for three days, not less. That means that NO MATTER the use and drain, even if link could possibly get an item/ability that activates an absolutely rediculous drain on magic it would not go down. This may not be the best argument, but if a theoretical solar panel with (again, theoretical) infinite capacity has infinite sunlight for 3 straight days and then gets cast into shadow for whatever reason, it technically generates infinite power for 72 hours, then none

  73. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 7:23 pm -      #73

    @Friendlysociopath
    Lore doesn’t say it’s infinite. It says it lasts for three days. The burden of proof isn’t on me not only for that reason, but also for the reason that others asserted it’s infinite. See posts #1 and #8.

  74. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 7:24 pm -      #74

    @Messmaker
    In-game lore doesn’t say that. It says it lasts for three days.

  75. Messmaker June 18, 2015 at 7:38 pm -      #75

    “It seems that drinking Chateau Romani makes your magic power last for three days…” — Gossip Stone

    I’m sorry, what’s your definition of lore?

  76. Mea quidem sententia June 18, 2015 at 7:56 pm -      #76

    That would be an example of lore. Where does it say it’s infinite?

  77. Limbo Lowk June 18, 2015 at 7:57 pm -      #77

    “”It seems that drinking Chateau Romani makes your magic power last for three days…” — Gossip Stone”

    … That doesn’t say infinite.
    Has enough magic for three days(2days+hours) within the context of the game maybe.

  78. PrimusxPilus June 18, 2015 at 8:40 pm -      #78

    Wow guys. Nobody is arguing unlimited magic after the 72 hour mark. I couldn’t care less if at seventy two hours and one second he has zero magic. As long as he has the blue meter he can do whatever he wants without worrying about magical logistics.

    “In-game, you may say it’s infinite because the game is programmed that way, but so what? That doesn’t mean it’s canonically infinite, and that’s all that really matters.”
    WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THREE DAYS THERE IS NO LIMIT. That’s what really matters. Nobody cares if he has unlimited magic next week. Absolutely zero people are arguing that. I even said this match wouldn’t last a day. I get you’re stubborn as hell but compromise: he will have unlimited magic power for a goddamn match.

  79. Messmaker June 18, 2015 at 9:02 pm -      #79

    Sorry, I posted without thinking due to both in forum stuff and irl. My bad

  80. Aelfinn June 18, 2015 at 9:27 pm -      #80

    I just don’t know what the alternative is to “Link has effectively infinite magic”. I mean, is there another interpretation for “Link’s magic meter changes color and never decreases no matter how many magical items are used”? We know the word “infinite” isn’t used, but we just say that for ease of use. Is it a concern over Composite Link’s “Chateau Romani + Magic Armor” combo, and a possible resulting argument over whether he can survive an attack or not? That would come under the realm of a NLF.
    =
    The only other interpretation I’m seeing here is that the milk gives Link enough magic to last for three days. Which…is an odd way of thinking about it, but unless you mean it somehow gives him the magic for those three days that he’d already have, I don’t really see a difference in meaning. So it’s either “No matter what Link can do, he doesn’t run out of magic” or…”Nothing”. We can see it doesn’t do nothing…so what else could it be?

  81. Messmaker June 18, 2015 at 9:37 pm -      #81

    Mechanically (or programically, Idk I’m not a coder) it would probably be easiest to just say “oh, you drank the special milk? Your magic is NOW OVER 9,000!!!!”

  82. Friendlysociopath June 18, 2015 at 9:44 pm -      #82

    or programically, Idk I’m not a coder

    Be hella easier just to make mana costs 0 across all spells than assign a massive value and then still use the original values. At least, that’s how I’d do it.

    That would come under the realm of a NLF.

    Even without that combo it’s still a bit of a NLF, I mean getting hit with a cannon will take all of your money, so clearly it can’t take anything without a problem.

  83. Alpha or Omega June 18, 2015 at 10:56 pm -      #83

    Wrong magic armor.
    He’s talking about the one that runs on Magic(Wind Waker version before it went HD).
    Not the one that runs on moneh.

  84. Mea quidem sententia June 19, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #84

    @PrimusxPilus
    Well, apparently you care enough to respond. I’m not even saying Link has infinite magic after 72 hours, so I don’t know where that came from. I’m saying Link’s magic lasts for three days, which is what canon states. Calling it “infinite” is irrelevant in that 72 hour span because the game will never register it as exceeding that time limit. Ever. I don’t care if the match wouldn’t ever last a day, either. The point is, people are spouting fanon, which I felt I should call bullshit on. It’s gone long enough.

  85. PrimusxPilus June 19, 2015 at 1:33 am -      #85

    Who’s spouting fanon? Would you be happier if people said “more magic than he could use in three days, to the point his meter is ALWAYS full” rather than any other essentially SAME assessment with the acknowledgment it’s not infinite, but for those three days, within that parameter, it pretty much is? Would that make you feel better?

  86. Mea quidem sententia June 19, 2015 at 2:30 am -      #86

    Most people, of course. I’d be happier if people stuck with canon.

  87. PrimusxPilus June 19, 2015 at 1:49 pm -      #87

    Who’s not? Canon is within those three days you have enough magic to do whatever the hell you want magic wise without having to worry about it at all. It is functionally infinite. It is NOT infinite. Within three days, it pretty much is. It’s not overall. That’s canon.

  88. MatthiasTheWanderer June 19, 2015 at 6:48 pm -      #88

    “The point is, people are spouting fanon,which I felt I should call bullshit on.”

    So, let me get this straight: You are fully aware that, within the context of the match, it doesn’t matter which is true, but since you take some sort of personal offense at their explanation, you decided to waste everyone’s time with a 60+ post argument that changes nothing about the actual match?

  89. Messmaker June 19, 2015 at 6:53 pm -      #89

    Wait, did you two just switch sides? This argument is getting weird.

  90. Monochrome June 19, 2015 at 7:06 pm -      #90

    @MatthiasTheWanderer

    How do you think I feel? That and I didn’t even come in for the LoZ side, just to argue that it was a stomp still in favor of The BBS Trio.

    Meh I came in to argue for Kingdom Heart but I end up arguing a previously agreed consensus for LoZ…It makes me laugh that I argued it as much as I did. Though I deemed it better to stop because I would have eventually gotten personal and say not nice things over something that was established.

  91. Friendlysociopath June 19, 2015 at 7:11 pm -      #91

    you decided to waste everyone’s time with a 60+ post argument that changes nothing about the actual match?

    To be fair, it’s been almost unanimously stated to be a stomp against Link(s) since we all agreed no time shenanigans for both sides.

    Composite Link is a monster of hax stuff. Take him apart and he’s not the greatest fighter, he fights dirty because that’s what he needs to win against his enemies.

  92. MatthiasTheWanderer June 20, 2015 at 2:01 am -      #92

    True, I’m just annoyed that the majority of this thread is this guy being a dumbass. I’m actually with Monochrome here, I was expecting to be arguing against Links abilities, not defending them.

  93. PrimusxPilus June 22, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #93

    Pretty much. Sorry guys for having to waste time defending common sense

  94. LadyRamkin July 6, 2015 at 9:26 pm -      #94

    I think i understand…………

    The lore states that he has enough magic for 3 days.
    Now, if i had enough food for 3 days that would be at least 9 meals worth of food right.

    3 breakfast
    3 lunches
    3 dinners

    That is still a finite amount of food.
    The possibility does exist that you eat all of that food in a single day, which means that while you had enough food for 3 days you still used it in one.

    If you interoperate it like that, then there is no justification, other than game mechanics, for essentially infinite magic.

  95. LadyRamkin July 26, 2015 at 10:54 pm -      #95

    Majora’s mask link has several masks that should be helpful here.

    He has the stone mask that makes the wearer as unnoticeable as a stone, which is better than invisibility since people simply ignore them, so no sound. or smell or any thing

    Goron, giant and fierce deity masks, are all high tier awesome,

    and last, but not least:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3QYSoBx1ts

  96. PrimusxPilus July 30, 2015 at 3:00 pm -      #96

    Once you drink the milk you can spam magic all the way until the moon falls. It is functionally infinite.

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