Last Man Standing: Round 1

Last Man Standing - Round 1

You asked for it, so here it is:

Set up any scenario you want, if you think any of the combatants would pair up or not – The question is, between Kratos, Master Chief, Superman, Lobo, Kharn, Cyrpto 137, Goku and Chuck Norris, who emerges from this epic match? and most importantly, HOW DO THEY DO IT?

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  1. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm -      #201

    This comes down to Norris, Lobo, and Superman.

  2. Sauroposeidon January 21, 2012 at 1:29 pm -      #202

    DCUO is canon to itself. They made it clear right off the bat that it is an AU in the same way JLU was. Both universes were almost certainly destroyed due to the 52 business. DCUO is only still up and running for the purpose of making money.

  3. Chuck inglish January 21, 2012 at 1:31 pm -      #203

    “You agree that FTL flight speed can be used as a combatative tactic though, correct?”
    ==
    Yes

  4. Rorschach January 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm -      #204

    @Soldiers Shadow
    I hate them too.
    I would have posted a massive post like that, but you beat me to it.

    -

    “Hentai is not a good source of brain stimulation you know.”
    This

    -

    “So bold of you Soldier.”
    This too.

  5. Hac148 January 21, 2012 at 1:46 pm -      #205

    i take it round 1 hinting at a round 2. means we will be eliminating four.
    Superman will immediately recognize lobo as a threat, and will work to take him down. goku and kratos go for kharn. goku sensing his evil, and kratos due to his mild appearance similar to that of olympians.
    MC and krypto duke it out, and chuck norris depends of if this is internet norris or not

  6. Mister Teal January 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm -      #206

    Let’s just do away with Norris. Pretend he accidentally strangled himself on his Total Gym the morning of the battle.

  7. Sauroposeidon January 21, 2012 at 2:23 pm -      #207

    Chuck, Superman is one of those characters who’s flight/run speed is also their combat speed. It also doesn’t make sense to say Goku wins in close range and then agree that his punches aren’t as strong as super man.

  8. DReager1 January 21, 2012 at 6:07 pm -      #208

    @Soldiers Shadow responding to all of that would be tough so I’ll just give it in some points.

    1st Goku’s energy blasts are strong enough to deal heavy duty damage to Superman. After a couple of SSJ3 Kamehamehas Superman would be about ready to be knocked out

    2nd Superman may be able to draw enegry from the sun for a couple of seconds, but Goku would notice and blow it up

    3rd Don’t forget about the Kaioken. Goku could mix his 10x Kaioken with his SSJ3 and multiply o a power that Superman can’t tough. That is the big clincher. If say for a second that Superman is around SSJ3 Goku level (Though he’s not) Then a SSJ3 x 10 could easily wipe him out.

    4th Instant Transmission makes Goku fast enough to dodge all of Superman’s attacks.

    Those are enough reasons for now

  9. DReager1 January 21, 2012 at 6:08 pm -      #209

    @Hac148 Yeah, I’m waiting for round 2. The 4 finalists should be Goku, Superman, Lobo, and….Chuck Norris

  10. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 6:15 pm -      #210

    I would have figured them, But Kratos instead of Norris. Since it’s not Chuck F***ing Norris.

  11. Chuck inglish January 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm -      #211

    “Chuck, Superman is one of those characters who’s flight/run speed is also their combat speed”
    ===
    you have no proof. Goku would probably own in close range since he has superior skill

  12. Dr. Lowk McNinja January 21, 2012 at 6:27 pm -      #212

    “Goku’s energy blasts are strong enough to deal heavy duty damage to Superman. After a couple of SSJ3 Kamehamehas Superman would be about ready to be knocked out”
    -
    Supers is ftl remember. He’s fully capable of dodging something.
    Also What about superman pounding away at him with his heat vision?
    He’s got good accuracy
    img525.imageshack.us/img525/8936/acuracyjg7.jpg
    Impressive power(casually destroying asteroid to keep it from doing serious damage to earth)
    img525.imageshack.us/img525/8936/acuracyjg7.jpg
    Plus range and hitting shouldn’t be a problem considering how large it can get
    img508.imageshack.us/img508/9435/suniz1.jpg
    ===
    “2nd Superman may be able to draw enegry from the sun for a couple of seconds, but Goku would notice and blow it up”
    -
    Wouldn’t that cause a supernova, can Goku survive that? I know supes can but I don’t recall goku doing that. So it would kind of be bad for pretty much everyone including Goku. Also isn’t supes one of the people here who would be able to fly to another sun somewhere else?
    ===
    “Instant Transmission makes Goku fast enough to dodge all of Superman’s attacks.
    Those are enough reasons for now”
    -
    Except unless Goku has some impressive flt reactions wouldn’t Supes still be able to hit him before he manages it?

  13. Dr. Lowk McNinja January 21, 2012 at 7:06 pm -      #213

    ““Chuck, Superman is one of those characters who’s flight/run speed is also their combat speed”
    ===
    you have no proof.”
    -
    I don’t get this, I mean hasn’t supes shown that everything can move at superspeed. From his
    -Arms
    img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg
    img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg
    -Legs
    img509.imageshack.us/img509/5058/jay1wz3.jpg
    img444.imageshack.us/img444/3866/jay2dp3.jpg
    img253.imageshack.us/img253/4113/jay3tm9.jpg
    -To his entire body
    img443.imageshack.us/img443/4488/vibratingnk9.jpg
    imageshack.us/photo/my-images/47/75502158tq2.jpg/
    i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/Supermanvol2153-11.jpg
    img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
    img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

  14. Chuck inglish January 21, 2012 at 7:08 pm -      #214

    but not FTL speeds bro. Super speed is not FTL speed

  15. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 7:16 pm -      #215

    @Doc Lowk

    To be fair, we best await IF they DO bring us Super Saiyan Level 05 then have Goku turn into THAT stage, before its anywhere NEAR safe to re-open Superman vs Goku, let alone suggest Goku vs Thor so it can be the badass fight it deserves to be, actually.

  16. Mister Teal January 21, 2012 at 7:16 pm -      #216

    I’m thinking Goku’s best time-management plan is to just pick clumps of shit out of his monkey tail. Then see if he can instant transmission only his head and neck into the nearest star.

  17. Blood Dancer January 21, 2012 at 7:18 pm -      #217

    “To be fair, we best await IF they DO bring us Super Saiyan Level 05 then have Goku turn into THAT stage,”

    -

    Unlikely to happen. Why do you insist on this non-sense?

  18. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 7:18 pm -      #218

    @Agent

    Either that or Retreat, as without Super Saiyan Level 05 to access, I fear that you’re right. T_T

  19. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 7:20 pm -      #219

    @General

    It was just food for thought, I wasn’t suggesting that it WOULD happen, sir.

  20. Mister Teal January 21, 2012 at 7:20 pm -      #220

    I don’t get it, what does Super Saiyan Level 5 do that’s so great?

  21. Aelfinn January 21, 2012 at 7:21 pm -      #221

    Is it really a Superman vs. Goku fight? Even though the FP Award has already been given to Superman? This is ridiculous.
    -
    “but not FTL speeds bro. Super speed is not FTL speed”
    -
    But Superman’s “super-speed” is FTL. When something is moving with his super-speed, it is moving FTL. Even if it didn’t, Superman could fly FTL through Goku, turning him into little more than a fine red mist.
    -
    “1st Goku’s energy blasts are strong enough to deal heavy duty damage to Superman. ”
    -
    Where is the proof? Are they as strong as Supernovas?
    -
    “2nd Superman may be able to draw enegry from the sun for a couple of seconds, but Goku would notice and blow it up”
    -
    Goku just killed himself. The planet would fly away from the Sun, and Superman would just fly to a different planet.
    -
    “3rd Don’t forget about the Kaioken. Goku could mix his 10x Kaioken with his SSJ3 and multiply o a power that Superman can’t tough.”
    -
    That’s swell. When is he going to have any charge-up time?
    -
    “Superman is around SSJ3 Goku level (Though he’s not) ”
    -
    I don’t remember Goku moving a planet.
    -
    “4th Instant Transmission makes Goku fast enough to dodge all of Superman’s attacks.”
    -
    He’s got to actually think in order to do that. Superman’s head will have torn apart Goku’s body before Goku even knows the fight started.

  22. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 7:22 pm -      #222

    @Agent

    That’s what we should be finding out, if the rumors are true about a CANON!-DragonBall Z sequel, actually.
    Which should happen if the rumors are true.

  23. Mister Teal January 21, 2012 at 7:24 pm -      #223

    Why wait on a rumor, no need to put off a match for no reason.

  24. Dr. Lowk McNinja January 21, 2012 at 7:35 pm -      #224

    “but not FTL speeds bro. Super speed is not FTL speed”
    -
    Thought there’s was a scan of a him fighting prime at high speed, guess not.
    Would you concede to the idea that he can at least fight at lightspeed? no?
    Guess it’s back to the flying brick strategy.
    ===
    Question, anyone know what he’s doing here?
    img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg
    -
    Is it moving from one place to the other so fast it looks like he’s standing still?
    or
    The vibrating trick that Flash does to go through things?

  25. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 7:41 pm -      #225

    “Is it moving from one place to the other so fast it looks like he’s standing still?
    or
    The vibrating trick that Flash does to go through things?”
    -Vibrating trick The Flash does.

  26. Blood Dancer January 21, 2012 at 7:41 pm -      #226

    @Cross

    -

    I will adress this rumour crap once and for all.

    -

    www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/index.shtml#dbaf

    - On the link above you will see the following passages:

    -

    DragonBall has easily lent itself to some of the weirdest, worst, and most bizarre rumors over the years. Early on in many an individual’s fandom, there was not much access to the original Japanese version beyond shady “fansubs” and other fansites. Due to these and a wide variety of other factors, strange rumors began to pop up all over the internet, and even into everyday conversations between fans! Due to the incestuous nature of information on the internet, even some of the (now seemingly) most absurd rumors still continue onwards to this day.”

    -

    “RUMOR: There’s an official new series (manga or anime) coming out called DragonBall AF, in which Goku goes Super Saiyan 5, has a son named Xicor, etc.

    STATUS: Absolutely and patently FALSE.”

    -

    “DragonBall GT ended in Japan in September of 1997 after only 64 episodes. Other than a recent revival in merchandising in Japan (including a re-release of the manga with new cover art and a slightly tweaked ending, but no new chapters), there has been no indication from Shueisha, Toei, or even Akira Toriyama himself, that there is any interest whatsoever in creating new DragonBall manga (Toriyama has, in fact, STATED on numerous occasions that he has absolutely NO INTEREST in CONTINUING the story)”

    -

    “You may even have come across “episode guides” for the series listing full episode titles and descriptions, which also drop hints at new characters. (…) One of the “giveaways” of these episode lists is their style — they go with naming conventions and listings that make more sense for a FUNimation English release, rather than an original Japanese release. While the typical Japanese DragonBall-series episode title will typically follow the format of “(insert exclamation or question here)?! (insert statement here)”, these supposed “AF” episode titles tend to be very short statements of only two to four words (such as “Xicor Attacks!”), and even feature FUNimation-only name spellings (such as “Tien” instead of “Tenshinhan”). Needless to say, the Japanese would not follow these conventions.”

    -

    “But what about those really pretty, official-looking pictures? You have probably come across the SSJ4 Gohan image, which you can see on the left. There is also a Vegeta image with the Prince all decked out looking more like a king. Fans have consistently cited these two images (SSJ4 Gohan and “King” Vegeta) as hard proof that “AF” existed, and even had character designs. Why, then, have you never heard of “Studio Tomita”, whose logo is clearly visible on these images? That is because Studio Tomita is really nothing more than a Japanese fanart group (or perhaps individual), with absolutely no connection to DragonBall other than drawing some random pictures”

    -

    “Finally, let us examine the big picture. If “DBAF” were to exist, the rumors having begun so many years ago… why has nothing surfaced? These days, one would definitely expect to see all of the following:

    -screen shots / movie clips from episodes
    -articles / reviews from Japan
    – advertising (such as in Weekly Shônen Jump)
    – merchandise (books, soundtracks, etc.)
    downloadable fansubs (“digisubs”)”
    -

    “.and yet, none of these things exist for the supposed “new series.” Honestly, we would not hide something like this from the fans, and if there was something reported in Japan about a new series, we guarantee that we would be among the first sites with translations and details. In fact, we took advantage of this on April Fool’s Day 2004, with a massive prank “announcing” the new series; we even had a “commercial” and a “print ad,” just as we outlined above for the real deal!”

    -

    Now, get on with life.

  27. Dr. Lowk McNinja January 21, 2012 at 7:41 pm -      #227

    Forgot this on the accuracy part.
    img364.imageshack.us/img364/9255/superman609165uu.jpg
    -
    Would Goku’s energy attacks work on Kharn’s anti magic thing or would he have to resort to physical violence for him.

  28. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 7:54 pm -      #228

    “Forgot this on the accuracy part.
    img364.imageshack.us/img364/9255/superman609165uu.jpg”
    -Dang.

  29. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 8:33 pm -      #229

    I believe Lobo has beaten Superman on at least one occasion, and he’s also the only one who truly immortal. Master Chief is out in the first few seconds of the fight. Kratos and Kharn follow a while after, and I have no clue who Crypto 137 is, so I’ll just count him out until some feats for him are brought to bear. Superman is known to be Goku’s superior when it comes to deathmatches, so we must count him out as well. It comes down to Chuck Norris, Superman, and Lobo.
    =
    But who are we kidding, guys? Can’t we be adults here? Can’t we stick to the facts?
    =
    Chuck Norris wins. Obviously.

  30. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm -      #230

    @Soul

    Try Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, The Most Interesting Man In the World, Arnold Shwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, and just about one more dude I feel should be added, all together against 60 million enemies, and They’ll win. :cool:
    Still, Norris for the BankGambling award. 1+

  31. Hermit January 21, 2012 at 9:00 pm -      #231

    @ Commander
    No. It’s Internet Norris for the Award.

  32. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:04 pm -      #232

    Dante solos

  33. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:05 pm -      #233

    @Lieutenant

    Either way, we’re correct, so Norris Wins either way, right?

    @S.R

    Only to get deadlocked by Link, who >>> Link, to begin with. :cool:

  34. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:08 pm -      #234

    “@ Commander
    No. It’s Internet Norris for the Award.”
    -Didn’t we agree for human Norris?

  35. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:12 pm -      #235

    @Tau

    I think we agreed for Composite!-Norris, If i hear right. :?
    So Norris for the BankGambling award, either way? 1+

  36. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 9:15 pm -      #236

    Why would someone put human Norris in a fight with the likes of Lobo, Superman, and Goku? It’s obviously meant to be Super Norris.
    =
    Oh, and Commander, you forgot both Mr. T and Vin Diesel.

  37. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:19 pm -      #237

    Oh come on guys Dante solos!

  38. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:20 pm -      #238

    @Soul

    My bad.
    Super Norris against everyone else will be fine!

    So how will he fare against each of the list, exactly?

    P.S: Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Mr. T, Vin Diesel, The Most Interesting Man in the World, Arnold Shwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone against 60 Million Enemies will be epic, but I digress.

  39. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:22 pm -      #239

    “Oh come on guys Dante solos!”
    -Dante would get roflraped.
    -
    “I think we agreed for Composite!-Norris, If i hear right.
    So Norris for the BankGambling award, either way? 1+”
    -Composite is Walker:Texas Ranger.

  40. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:24 pm -      #240

    @Tau

    So how does Composite!-Norris fail here, when none of the others are on Bruce Lee’s levels of win, so to speak?

  41. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:27 pm -      #241

    “So how does Composite!-Norris fail here, when none of the others are on Bruce Lee’s levels of win, so to speak?”
    -Have you seen Walker: Texas Ranger?

  42. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:27 pm -      #242

    “Dante would get roflraped.”
    -
    lol i couldn’t post withoutmocking Chuck Inglishes love interest
    -
    LSS: I was being sarcastic

  43. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm -      #243

    @Tau

    Not yet, but how could the Walker lose, in particular, let alone Composite!-Norris?

  44. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm -      #244

    @Ranger
    -And I was joking with you.

  45. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:33 pm -      #245

    “Not yet, but how could the Walker lose, in particular, let alone Composite!-Norris?”
    -He’s mortal, while he was BAD ASS. He is still a man. What do you mean by “Composite!”?

  46. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm -      #246

    Mortal? Ha! If Chuck Norris was in a video game, it would be called Immortal Kombat.

  47. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:38 pm -      #247

    “And I was joking with you.”
    -
    lol
    -
    Anyways, somebody deserves an award today

  48. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:41 pm -      #248

    @S.R

    Kratos, we know.

    @Tau and Soul

    So is Norris winning, yet, or is there more to say about the other fighters in here?

  49. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm -      #249

    “Kratos, we know.”
    -
    Sorry im just persistent to get a topic an award it well deserved long ago!

  50. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm -      #250

    “So is Norris winning, yet, or is there more to say about the other fighters in here?”
    -If this is Human and not Meme Norris, then he’s in 4th, if Meme he’s in 1st.

  51. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm -      #251

    @S.R

    You aren’t alone in persistence, but let’s TRY to keep it restrained so we can focus mainly on the 8-way fight at hand, alright?
    BankGambling’s mainland seems to have gotten hostile in atmosphere, lately.
    This isn’t the BankGambling I recalled from a few years ago when i 1st arrived, to be frank.

    @Tau

    Is there any grounds between human!-Norris and Meme!-Norris?

  52. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm -      #252

    I think this battle deserves a runner-up, and I believe Lobo takes second place. I may be mistaken in my belief that Superman loses to him, though.
    =
    As for our winner, we still have to explain why Chuck wins. After all, are we not beings of intellect? I propose that we take this opportunity to explain why Chuck Norris’ powers are greater than those of all his opponents. I’ll go first:
    =
    Building on the fact that Chuck Norris chooses not to die, and is thus effectively immortal, you should know that whatever doesn’t kill him makes him stronger.

  53. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm -      #253

    @Soul

    Where to expand on the latter idea, though, before it gets good?

  54. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm -      #254

    “I think this battle deserves a runner-up, and I believe Lobo takes second place. I may be mistaken in my belief that Superman loses to him, though.”
    -
    Superman has lots more feats to go by
    -
    ” After all, are we not beings of intellect?”
    -
    What? When did that happen? >.>

  55. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:50 pm -      #255

    @S.R

    If BankGambling is to be saved for the better, we must be able to maintain the regards we’re meant to be beings of intellect, otherwise we won’t be able to explain WHY Link >>> Link, to begin with, if it comes down to it.

    Care to list out more Superman feats, then?

  56. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 9:51 pm -      #256

    “Is there any grounds between human!-Norris and Meme!-Norris?”
    -Human Norris is just a BAD ASS human.
    -Meme Norris is only surpassed by Jesus himself.

  57. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm -      #257

    Where to expand on the latter idea, though, before it gets good?
    -You can get all the official information you need from this website. Bring up whatever you feel is necessary.
    Superman has lots more feats to go by
    -He certainly does, but I remember him being able to beat up Superman last time I looked into it.
    =
    What? When did that happen? >.>
    -You were supposed to just let that pass.

  58. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm -      #258

    @Tau

    Don’t forget Lord Arthur Pendragon or Bruce Lee, either. :x

    But I digress, we may as well go with Meme!-Norris.

    @Soul

    I’ll have a look, soon.

  59. StealthRanger January 21, 2012 at 9:58 pm -      #259

    “He certainly does, but I remember him being able to beat up Superman last time I looked into it.”
    -
    I think Superman faked his death to let Lobo believe he won and leave
    -
    “You were supposed to just let that pass.”
    -
    That was a joke

  60. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 10:01 pm -      #260

    remember him being able to beat up Superman
    -I meant to write “Lobo” instead of “him”.
    =
    -Meme Norris is only surpassed by Jesus himself.
    -True, but it really doesn’t matter, as they’re very good friends.

  61. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 10:03 pm -      #261

    “-Meme Norris is only surpassed by Jesus himself.”
    -True, but it really doesn’t matter, as they’re very good friends.”
    True, true.

  62. Soulerous January 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm -      #262

    That was a joke
    -I know. My reply was a joke, too. Too faint?
    =
    Here’s some more feats.

  63. Soldier's Shadow January 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm -      #263

    “So bold of you Soldier.”

    lol

    “Flight speed doesn’t equal combat speed. Goku Beat superman at close range combat”

    Goku is no match for Superman at any range. Goku has great skill but IIRC Superman was taught by both Batman and Wonder Woman how to fight beyond brute brawling. Even if Goku has more skill, Superman is supremely faster and physically stronger than Goku.

    “All the same, a dumb blue brick at “massive” FTL, or whatever the panel said is going to liquify whatever it runs into.”

    What Teal said.

    “1st Goku’s energy blasts are strong enough to deal heavy duty damage to Superman. After a couple of SSJ3 Kamehamehas Superman would be about ready to be knocked out”

    Maybe if Superman stood still and let himself get hit a few times by Goku’s bigger attacks….

    “2nd Superman may be able to draw enegry from the sun for a couple of seconds, but Goku would notice and blow it up”

    How would he know?

    “3rd Don’t forget about the Kaioken. Goku could mix his 10x Kaioken with his SSJ3 and multiply o a power that Superman can’t tough. That is the big clincher. If say for a second that Superman is around SSJ3 Goku level (Though he’s not) Then a SSJ3 x 10 could easily wipe him out.”

    Supes is above Goku in any form. Also, FTL….

    “4th Instant Transmission makes Goku fast enough to dodge all of Superman’s attacks. ”

    Superman’s faster than Goku, no blitz for the Saiyan.

  64. tau43 January 21, 2012 at 10:10 pm -      #264

    Here’s some more feats.
    -Ha.

  65. Commander Cross January 21, 2012 at 10:10 pm -      #265

    It really doesn’t matter whether or not Goku’s most powerful attacks can Harm Superman if they manage to hit him, when Superman won’t give Goku the chance, will he?

  66. Soulerous January 22, 2012 at 12:04 am -      #266

    That’s the issue. So many people seem to forget that the power of an attack is worthless if the attack can’t hit the target in the first place.

  67. StealthRanger January 22, 2012 at 12:06 am -      #267

    Rly? Because everyone views speed as the end all be all here

  68. Soulerous January 22, 2012 at 12:28 am -      #268

    Disregarding speed’s worth is just as bad as over-hyping it.

  69. Commander Cross January 22, 2012 at 12:30 am -      #269

    @Soul

    One must not neglect the potency of Time-Warping Powers on even the smallest scale to be of use(Time Slowing or Time Stopping for the Win, anyone?) as they can be just as vital as speed in general, provided they’d still work somewhat on the enemy forces any Chronomage is fighting.

  70. StealthRanger January 22, 2012 at 12:34 am -      #270

    “Disregarding speed’s worth is just as bad as over-hyping it.”
    -
    Never said anything about disregarding it, just people view it as the end-all be-all and don’t consider anything else

  71. Commander Cross January 22, 2012 at 12:38 am -      #271

    @StealthRanger

    Albeit with the only possible exception here to do the following would be Chuck Norris(Meme!-self, at least) despite the regards that none of the fighters in here can warp Time in their favor to enough of a winnable degree(as far as I can recall) Isn’t Time-Warping the near-perfect counter to Speed being King, in here?(unless the figurative Speed Demons in question can tank the direct offensive effects of the Time-manipulations in question?)

  72. Hac148 January 22, 2012 at 12:55 am -      #272

    OMG, did i really just read the dbz sequal theory???

    *facepalm* you fail soooooooooo hard. while i am a massive supporter of DBZ and goku as a general rule, DragonBall AF is a fan-made, tottally fictonal, fan fic series that has caused many people to create images. it popped up on the db wiki a few years back, people read the basic story and it took off. its a massive fan base thing, and is slowly growing to cult proportions, but is in no way supported by, or even mildly affiliated with, akira. he has released somewhere in the neighborhood of several dozen statements saying he has no desire whatsoever to continue the series in any way.

  73. Commander Cross January 22, 2012 at 1:06 am -      #273

    @Hac

    I didn’t start the thing, honest.
    And AF wasn’t the series I meant, either, when I tried to throw in food for thought.

    I meant DragonBall Hoshi, blast it!

  74. Hac148 January 22, 2012 at 1:23 am -      #274

    its a trading card arcade series coming out in japan. a rumor at best and not a canon anime

  75. Commander Cross January 22, 2012 at 1:29 am -      #275

    @Hac

    You mean to tell me I misread the news, somehow? T_____T’
    Just my rotted odds!

  76. Soulerous January 22, 2012 at 2:15 am -      #276

    Never said anything about disregarding it, just people view it as the end-all be-all and don’t consider anything else
    -I was just drawing a contrast. I do hate it when people do that, but I hate it when the opposite is done as well.
    =
    Speaking of speed, rest assured that Chuck Norris is, by far, the fastest combatant in this match. He once raced light; he’s still waiting for it to catch up. The only reason light moves so fast anyway is because it heard Chuck Norris was coming. In fact, he’s responsible for the creation of light in the first place; God said “let there be light”, and Chuck flipped the switch. Afterward, he roundhouse-kicked it into the visible spectrum. He then got an idea, and instead of a light bulb appearing, the sun was created.
    =
    And don’t try to tell me that superluminal speeds are impossible. A scientist once theorized that very thing, and Chuck Norris simultaneously killed and disproved him. The speed of light is the only speed that was recorded to be 20,000,000,000mph slower than his “kill” speed.

  77. Commander Cross January 22, 2012 at 2:23 am -      #277

    @Soul

    Isn’t it also stated that Norris can manipulate Time via ChronoManipulation, as well?

  78. DReager1 January 22, 2012 at 9:46 am -      #278

    @Commander Cross “It really doesn’t matter whether or not Goku’s most powerful attacks can Harm Superman if they manage to hit him, when Superman won’t give Goku the chance, will he”

    It’s not about Superman giving Goku a chance. It’s more that Goku isn’t giving Superman a chance. Superman is ultimately fast and can dodge objects at speeds so fast it’s cool, but Goku’s energy beams aren’t just fast….they can be huge. This decreases Superman’s chance of dodging a lot slimmer.

    @Soldier’s Shadow

    “2nd Superman may be able to draw enegry from the sun for a couple of seconds, but Goku would notice and blow it up”

    “How would he know?”

    Goku can feel even the slightest increase or decrease in Ki. He would notice that Superman’s ki is getting a subtle boost from the sun and would quickly obliterate it.

    “3rd Don’t forget about the Kaioken. Goku could mix his 10x Kaioken with his SSJ3 and multiply o a power that Superman can’t tough. That is the big clincher. If say for a second that Superman is around SSJ3 Goku level (Though he’s not) Then a SSJ3 x 10 could easily wipe him out.”

    “Supes is above Goku in any form. Also, FTL….”

    Superman’s tough, but he’s not That above Goku. So if he’s slightly above SSJ3 then an SSJ3 X 10 would take him out. Of course I don’t think it would go that far

    “Flight speed doesn’t equal combat speed. Goku Beat superman at close range combat”

    “Goku is no match for Superman at any range. Goku has great skill but IIRC Superman was taught by both Batman and Wonder Woman how to fight beyond brute brawling. Even if Goku has more skill, Superman is supremely faster and physically stronger than Goku.”

    Superman may have learned some hand to hand skills and become an advanced martial artist. Thing is, Goku is a Master Martial Artist. He could easily mop the floor with Superman if it came to a close quarters fight. Superman’s strength won’t help him if he can’t land a blow

  79. Soulerous January 22, 2012 at 8:58 pm -      #279

    Goku can feel even the slightest increase or decrease in Ki. He would notice that Superman’s ki is getting a subtle boost from the sun and would quickly obliterate it.
    -Care to prove Goku could sense where Superman is getting the energy? The Sun is a pretty general thing, so I doubt he could figure it out with sheer intellect. And is “ki” a certain type of energy, like magic or spiritual energy, or just biological energy?
    =
    Thing is, Goku is a Master Martial Artist. He could easily mop the floor with Superman if it came to a close quarters fight. Superman’s strength won’t help him if he can’t land a blow
    -That’s true. You didn’t address the part where “Superman is supremely faster” than Goku, though. Martial skill tends to matter less and less the faster your opponent is.
    =
    Anyway, it’s already been established that Superman beats Goku in a fight. He got a BankGambling Award for it.

  80. StealthRanger January 22, 2012 at 9:04 pm -      #280

    “That’s true. You didn’t address the part where “Superman is supremely faster” than Goku, though. Martial skill tends to matter less and less the faster your opponent is.”
    -
    To add to this, skill means nothing when you’re significantly outclassed in physical power. And given Superman can tow many planets with ease and Goku hasn’t shown to affect planets with his strength, yeah
    -
    “Anyway, it’s already been established that Superman beats Goku in a fight. He got a BankGambling Award for it.”
    -
    Indeed

  81. Soldier's Shadow January 22, 2012 at 9:12 pm -      #281

    “It’s not about Superman giving Goku a chance. It’s more that Goku isn’t giving Superman a chance. Superman is ultimately fast and can dodge objects at speeds so fast it’s cool, but Goku’s energy beams aren’t just fast….they can be huge. This decreases Superman’s chance of dodging a lot slimmer.”

    ===

    Goku can go all out and it’d be nothing to Superman still. He’s physically outclassing the space monkey by a great margin to the point where it’d be like Spiderman pit against the Silver Surfer. Goku’s blasts maybe enormous but Superman is FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT and would be far out of the way in nanosecond before vaporizing Goku with his heat vision.

    ===

    “Goku can feel even the slightest increase or decrease in Ki. He would notice that Superman’s ki is getting a subtle boost from the sun and would quickly obliterate it.”

    ===

    What Soulerous said. Also, that’s cause a supernova… That Superman could survive… And Goku can’t…

    ===

    “Superman’s tough, but he’s not That above Goku. So if he’s slightly above SSJ3 then an SSJ3 X 10 would take him out. Of course I don’t think it would go that far”

    ===

    You tell me when Goku can travel FTL, carry pyramids, fist fight beings like Doomsday and Darkseid just fine and has planet busting physical strength. Then, Goku will be close to Superman.

    ===

    And what don’t you understand about none of Goku’s attacks being able to do major harm to Superman? He’s not Doomsday, he doesn’t have Kryptonite and he doesn’t have magic.

    ===

    “Thing is, Goku is a Master Martial Artist. He could easily mop the floor with Superman if it came to a close quarters fight. Superman’s strength won’t help him if he can’t land a blow”

    ===

    But he can land a blow since he MASSIVELY OUTCLASSES Goku to the point where skill is meaningless.

  82. StealthRanger January 22, 2012 at 9:15 pm -      #282

    Nice to know this turned into a SECOND Superman vs Goku debate
    -
    Hooray!

  83. Commander Cross January 22, 2012 at 9:26 pm -      #283

    @S.R

    One of these days, I MIGHT consider Goku vs Thor a good idea, just not today, alright? -_____-’

  84. Soulerous January 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm -      #284

    One correction, though…
    =
    Also, that’d cause a supernova…
    =
    Destroying or blowing up a star doesn’t necessarily result in a supernova. In fact, a supernova is a rather specific form of a star’s death. It also refers to the size of the explosion, and cannot be derived from a star with too little mass; our Sun, for example, will never go supernova. It’s just not big enough.

  85. Soldier's Shadow January 22, 2012 at 9:34 pm -      #285

    “One of these days, I MIGHT consider Goku vs Thor a good idea, just not today, alright? -_____-’”

    ===

    Thor stomps. Use Wonder Woman instead.

  86. StealthRanger January 22, 2012 at 9:36 pm -      #286

    “Thor stomps. Use Wonder Woman instead”
    -
    Err im pretty sure Wonder Woman is close to Superman in physical power and has lots of magical weapons, so i have confidence she would win too

  87. Soulerous January 23, 2012 at 1:58 am -      #287

    If her speed is a great deal below Superman’s, Goku would have a good chance, I think. Plus, isn’t Wonder Woman vulnerable to mere bullets?

  88. StealthRanger January 23, 2012 at 2:00 am -      #288

    “Plus, isn’t Wonder Woman vulnerable to mere bullets?”
    -
    She has a special invulnerability to bladed weapons and bullets I think

  89. Commander Cross January 23, 2012 at 3:20 am -      #289

    @Soldier’s Shadow

    You sure its best to use Wonder Woman, though?

  90. Soldier's Shadow January 23, 2012 at 10:40 am -      #290

    “She has a special invulnerability to bladed weapons and bullets I think”

    ===

    On Dante vs Wonder Woman, it was stated that Wonder Woman was quite vulnerable to bladed weapons. Bullets could do damage too but her healing covered that as well as her natural durability.

    ===

    @Commander

    Better than Thor.

  91. Commander Cross January 23, 2012 at 11:11 am -      #291

    @Soldier’s Shadow

    Fair enough, less patience!-testing, I take it?

  92. DReager1 January 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm -      #292

    “Thing is, Goku is a Master Martial Artist. He could easily mop the floor with Superman if it came to a close quarters fight. Superman’s strength won’t help him if he can’t land a blow”
    -”That’s true. You didn’t address the part where “Superman is supremely faster” than Goku, though. Martial skill tends to matter less and less the faster your opponent is.”

    That’s because I don’t consider Superman “supremely faster” than Goku. Frieza was already moving at super speed in final form. Than Cell is at least twice as fast as Frieza. Buu is at least two times faster than Cell. And that’s around where Goku would be at SSJ3, So then add the Kaioken X 10 and Goku is way ftl. I’d say in a contest of speed Superman wouldn’t be able to catch up to Goku.

    “To add to this, skill means nothing when you’re significantly outclassed in physical power. And given Superman can tow many planets with ease and Goku hasn’t shown to affect planets with his strength, yeah”

    Before I get into this I want to get one thing clear (Though if I’m mistaken let me know) We are not counting non canon material correct? Well at different points I thought I saw the Superman lifting a quintillion tons part brought up. That’s from All Star Superman making it non canon. So it doesn’t matter in this fight. Because then Goku would have SSJ4 and wipe the floor with all beings in existence…..or most of them.

    Okay, on to the battle of power. Superman is strong and could juggle planets and stuff…..but we’re talking about Pre New 52 Superman right? Was he able to do big planet hurling feats at that point? I know back in the really old days he could, but I didn’t think he could in modern times. Though I could be mistaken so I’ll put this in two points.

    A (Assuming Superman can lift planets and do feats that would make most minds spin) While Superman may be slightly stronger than Goku it’s not by a huge margin. Goku has never broken a planet with a punch because he’s a Hero, and Heroes don’t do those things. Unless you’re Superman and have to do it for the sake of the universe. If Goku wanted too I think he could easily fly through the earth and have it explode. As for breaking the earth in a single punch…..that may be a bit of a stretch for Goku SSJ3. In SSJ3 X 10 I think the earth would surely break.

    B (Assuming Superman doesn’t have That kind of power) Then there you go. Goku is faster than Superman and about equal in power. So add his energy attacks and his better martial arts and Superman doesn’t stand a chance.

    “Superman’s tough, but he’s not That above Goku. So if he’s slightly above SSJ3 then an SSJ3 X 10 would take him out. Of course I don’t think it would go that far”
    ===
    “You tell me when Goku can travel FTL, carry pyramids, fist fight beings like Doomsday and Darkseid just fine and has planet busting physical strength. Then, Goku will be close to Superman.”

    Well first of all I think Goku can travel FTL, He can carry Pyramids, and he could definitely fist fight Doomsday and Darkseid. As seen above in SSJ3 X 10 I think he could destroy planets, making him not only close to Superman, but superior.

    “And what don’t you understand about none of Goku’s attacks being able to do major harm to Superman? He’s not Doomsday, he doesn’t have Kryptonite and he doesn’t have magic.”

    With Goku’s raw power he doesn’t need kryptonite. Just because Superman is pretty much invulnerable to DC characters, doesn’t mean he can take on a Super Saiyan of Goku’s caliber and not be critically injured. This Is Goku we’re talking about. He can also shatter planets and his energy beams would wear Superman out.

    “Goku can feel even the slightest increase or decrease in Ki. He would notice that Superman’s ki is getting a subtle boost from the sun and would quickly obliterate it.”
    -”Care to prove Goku could sense where Superman is getting the energy? The Sun is a pretty general thing, so I doubt he could figure it out with sheer intellect. And is “ki” a certain type of energy, like magic or spiritual energy, or just biological energy?”

    This one I left for last because I’m not sure if I can prove it. Thinking about it I don’t know it he’s ever sensed something that vague, and of course maybe’s won’t help Goku here, so for now I’ll grant that maybe he couldn’t sense the sun giving Superman energy right away, but eventually I think he’d definitely get it. He may not be as advanced as Korin at sensing Ki, but he’s still pretty good. As for what type of energy Ki is, I would guess Biological, but I don’t know.

    So Superman would last for a long time in this fight against Goku, but all of the attacks would take their toll and Superman would go down for the count. After that Goku would incinerate all who are still alive (If any still are) I’ll grant that it may be tough for Goku to beat Superman and Lobo back to back since he’ll be weakened, but Lobo will also be weakened from defeating the other five opponents.

    As a sidenote Goku could definitely defeat Thor and Wonder Woman.

  93. Mister Teal January 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm -      #293

    Plus Goku eats TONS of food. I mean, win.

    Also, he’s got his iconic spikey hair. What’d Superman start? Underwear on the outside? Pfft, fag it up more why don’t you Clark.

    I’m just not seeing how Supes could win. I know logic dictates it so, but if we put that aside for a moment and just focus on fandom and nostalgia — Goku wins it 7 out of 10. And that’s being generous.

    Also, let’s just round him to Super Saiyan 10 from now on.

  94. StealthRanger January 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm -      #294

    @Teal
    I know right, Superman is so outclassed its not even funny

  95. Mister Teal January 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm -      #295

    Goku has a son, Supes just seems to avoid Lois. I’ll be damned if I’m going to float a vote to an adult virgin. Just never going to happen.

  96. StealthRanger January 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm -      #296

    Inorite

  97. DReager1 January 23, 2012 at 3:07 pm -      #297

    @Mister Teal Yeah…..with fandom Goku wins 10 out of 10.

    But with the facts Superman just doesn’t have a chance. It may be closer if we count non canon stuff, though maybe not since Goku would have SSJ4 X 10

  98. StealthRanger January 23, 2012 at 3:08 pm -      #298
  99. DReager1 January 23, 2012 at 3:10 pm -      #299

    Definitely! I would comment there, but how I see it, if I can completely prove that Goku wins here than all I have to do is link this battle to that one when I post over there and show them the indisputable proof that Goku wins.

  100. StealthRanger January 23, 2012 at 3:14 pm -      #300

    “Definitely! I would comment there, but how I see it, if I can completely prove that Goku wins here than all I have to do is link this battle to that one when I post over there and show them the indisputable proof that Goku wins.”
    -
    Have fun proving that Goku has planet shattering strength, or FTL speed or reactions, or durability to withstand punches capable of rending reality (he did in a fight with a Superman from an alternate universe, Alberto! are you still here?!) or withstand temperatures greater than the core of a star, ow that he can stop Superman from time-travelling

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