Superman and Goku Vs Darkseid and Frieza

Superman and Goku Vs Darkseid and Frieza

Suggested by MatthiastheWanderer

Superman (DC) and Goku (DBZ) will go up against Darkseid and Frieza

DCAU Superman and Goku immediately post Namek take on Darkseid and final form Frieza. The incarnations can be variable, I’m mostly trying to keep them on a rough level with each other.

The battleground is a barren, Yellow Sun planet with gravity and atmosphere comparable to Earth.

Who will win?

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113 Comments on "Superman and Goku Vs Darkseid and Frieza"

  1. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #1

    Awesome, it went up! This should be fun.

  2. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 12:12 am -      #2

    So, is Darkseid DCAU too? And by DCAU do you mean the JL/JLA shows?

    And Frieza 1st form was a casual planet buster, so DCAU Supes gets slaughtered.

  3. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #3

    @MtW I’d imagine Golden Frieza and SSGSS Goku might be better to use with N52 Darkseid and Supes. As is, Supes and Darkseid are kinda useless if what I recall about them is correct. Granted, changing incarnations might make it a stomp the other way. All depends on the new movie, I guess.

  4. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 12:17 am -      #4

    @Nsl98

    “So, is Darkseid DCAU too? And by DCAU do you mean the JL/JLA shows?”

    I think that this is Darkseid version here:

  5. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 12:19 am -      #5

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets

    “Golden Frieza”

    But he is so much weaker than Goku. It was even worse than their first fight.

  6. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 12:32 am -      #6

    So, haven’t seen RoF.

    Did Goku become FTL yet?

    And lol at Green Lantern’s attempt to be a Bamf and fail.

  7. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #7

    That… was not GLs best moment. On a more serious note, what are we talking with New 52, that might fit better.

  8. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #8

    @Nsl98

    “So, haven’t seen RoF.

    Did Goku become FTL yet?”

    Here is full movie summary:

    www.kanzenshuu.com/movie/revival-of-f/summary/

  9. Friendlysociopath May 13, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #9

    So… it’s the Team of guys who beat the crap out of the other guys?

    Goku vs Frieza in the new movie is a joke, Frieza can’t do jack to him; Goku outright steps aside and says “Hey Vegeta, your turn, beat his ass”.

    And I can only imagine Superman (being Superman) could take Darkseid.

    Although if all else fails-
    vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/6/6c/GokuHoldsRaditz.Ep.4.png/revision/latest?cb=20111110135007

  10. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 12:45 am -      #10

    @Mathias

    N52 Supes:

    Planetary Strength:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116419/3278423-2793485-2663768_sm_13_1%5B1%5D.jpg

    Speed:
    m.imgur.com/a/4PVSI

  11. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 12:46 am -      #11

    @Friendlysociopath

    “Frieza in the new movie is a joke”

    Piccolo as well. He was beaten by a guy who have PL of 30 000.

  12. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 12:48 am -      #12

    @Nsl98

    “Speed”

    That was travel feat, Superman combat speed is wayyy lower.

  13. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 12:50 am -      #13

    Were we even given a timeframe of how long it was between those shots?

  14. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 12:53 am -      #14

    @Mathias
    In the few seconds it took Jason to teleport from Pluto to Earth, Supes followed with flight.

    @Rookie
    He still fights decently fast:
    m.imgur.com/a/n3NH5

  15. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 12:56 am -      #15

    @Nsl98

    “He still fights decently fast:”

    Even Deathstroke and Batman can do similar stuff to Flash, so nothing to be impressed here. Flash speed vastly changes depending on writer and plot.

  16. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 1:32 am -      #16

    “Even Deathstroke and Batman can do similar stuff to Flash, so nothing to be impressed here. Flash speed vastly changes depending on writer and plot.”

    Guys like Deathtroke and Batman can tag him with tricks and planning, but they are physically incapable of reaching even a hundredth of his combat speed, so that shot is still impressive.

    Overall, New 52 Supes sounds like a good match. What about Darkseid?

  17. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 1:56 am -      #17

    “Even Deathstroke and Batman can do similar stuff to Flash”

    Obvious PIS is obvious.
    =
    “Overall, New 52 Supes sounds like a good match. What about Darkseid?”

    Darkseid has been going around the Multiverse killing Supermen, if what I remember from Forever Evil was correct. Besides that, he recently took on all the Earth 2 heroes(Jay Garrick, Red Tornado, Hawkgirl, Val Zod, Power Girl, Huntress, Avatar of the Red, Mr. Miracle, Thomas Wayne, and others I missed)and beat them senseless, even took out the Multiversal Avatar of the Green, Alan Scott. He’s coming back though, from my understanding for the Darkseid War event.

  18. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 2:26 am -      #18

    Huh. What did it take to beat him the first time?

  19. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 2:49 am -      #19

    BFR via Boomtube that Cyborg opened and the combined might of the Super Seven to push him through it.

  20. Limbo Lowk May 13, 2015 at 3:00 am -      #20

    “Even Deathstroke and Batman can do similar stuff to Flash, so nothing to be impressed here. ”

    Don’t think the deathstroke is canon anymore. At least not to current New52, nevermind it was obvious PIS.
    A good deal of money batman spent on his league buster suit went just into creating a system that was fast enough to track Barry. It was faster then either humans or Bats himself could process. It was was only fast enough to catch Barry if he was below his regular levels of speed.

  21. Limbo Lowk May 13, 2015 at 3:05 am -      #21

    “BFR via Boomtube that Cyborg opened and the combined might of the Super Seven to push him through it.”

    You mean the Super Friends.

  22. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 3:26 am -      #22

    Okay, wow, might have to go with another version to avoid a complete stomp. Thoughts? To my knowledge, Darkseid tends to be relatively consistent.

  23. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 3:33 am -      #23

    “You mean the Super Friends.”

    hushcomics.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/super-seven.jpg
    =
    “Okay, wow, might have to go with another version to avoid a complete stomp. Thoughts? To my knowledge, Darkseid tends to be relatively consistent.”

    If anything it just forces Team 1 to deal with Frieza faster so they can team up on Darkseid.

  24. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 3:50 am -      #24

    “If anything it just forces Team 1 to deal with Frieza faster so they can team up on Darkseid.”

    What I’m worried about is whether or not they could even take him together, since the entire New 52 universe was forced to BFR to beat him. If they can I think I’ll leave it, but that’s why I’m asking around.

  25. Limbo Lowk May 13, 2015 at 3:56 am -      #25

    “hushcomics.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/super-seven.jpg”

    wtfdccomics.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/new-52-super-friends.jpg
    I really love it when they do stuff like that.
    ===
    “entire New 52 universe”

    It was just the Justice League.
    ===
    “Okay, wow, might have to go with another version to avoid a complete stomp. Thoughts? To my knowledge, Darkseid tends to be relatively consistent.”

    Well Darksied is to my knowldge has only shown planet level power. The animated version would probably be below that and be stomped and the pre52 darkseid would be a bit more Hax then current.

  26. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 4:04 am -      #26

    “since the entire New 52 universe was forced to BFR to beat him. ”

    At the time their were only 7 members of the JL. Supes, WW, GL, Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and Bats. They had to force him out of Earth, not the entire N52 verse.

    This is all assuming that you choose to go with Golden Frieza, SSGSS Goku, and N52 Supes by the way. PreC Darkseid would probably stomp harder, so would PostC-PreFP/PreN52 Darkseid, and animated would just go the other way. N52 Darkseid just seems the most fair.

  27. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 4:37 am -      #27

    “This is all assuming that you choose to go with Golden Frieza, SSGSS Goku, and N52 Supes by the way. PreC Darkseid would probably stomp harder, so would PostC-PreFP/PreN52 Darkseid, and animated would just go the other way. N52 Darkseid just seems the most fair.”

    Golden Frieza? BSSG Goku? I’m trying to keep things even, ie NOT have characters from only one source decide the match. Check the description, man, we’re going from the end of Namek for Frieza, directly after for Goku.

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 4:58 am -      #28

    “Golden Frieza? BSSG Goku? I’m trying to keep things even, ie NOT have characters from only one source decide the match.”

    I know, that’s why in comment #3 I suggested going EoS for DB and N52 for comics
    =
    “Check the description, man, we’re going from the end of Namek for Frieza, directly after for Goku.”

    Which will make it a stomp either way. You have End of Namek Saga characters with animated versions, DB ends up soloing, you go with any comic versions with EoNS then comics stomp. Golden Frieza and SSGSS Goku with N52 versions is probably the most fair, imo. Granted, speed is still going to be an issue, but it would be anyways if you went with animated, just in the other direction.

  29. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #29

    “Which will make it a stomp either way. You have End of Namek Saga characters with animated versions, DB ends up soloing, you go with any comic versions with EoNS then comics stomp. Golden Frieza and SSGSS Goku with N52 versions is probably the most fair, imo. Granted, speed is still going to be an issue, but it would be anyways if you went with animated, just in the other direction.”

    Okay, here’s this again. And since it’s actually my match, I’m going to try to get this explanation across, so it isn’t ruined. First, I’m going to clear something out of the way. The whole, ‘power levels are meaningless’ thing, is not wholly correct. They are meaningless towards anyone who has the ability to raise and lower their ki, such as the earth fighters and later Vegeta. However, Frieza and his army don’t know how to do that, which is why they use scouters and power levels, and why, until Namek, they WORKED.

    So, with that out of the way, lets do some numbers, everybody here seems to love numbers. So, starting at the bottom, we have Piccolo, in the middle of his training, blowing up the moon, after which he didn’t seem terribly tired. That training started with his maximum power at under 500, and ended with it being a little over 1,000. Now, while this might be slightly variable due to him being earth trained, the numbers are still low, and so the variances wouldn’t be staggering. Goku was the first to reach a point where the scouters readings were rendered essentially meaningless.

    Now, Vegeta, with a power level of 18,000, tried to blow up the planet. Since earth is only a little under four times the size of the moon, we can safely assume that he could definitely have done so if not for Goku. Now, lets be generous and say that is the minimum power required to blow up a planet the size of earth. Now, let’s jump to Frieza. His weakest form has a power level of 530,000. Dwell on that for just a moment. Everyone talks about him being a planet buster in his weakest form, but really, that’s kind of underselling him. Planet busting isn’t difficult for someone like that, it barely requires effort.

    Now, also take into account that in this universe, pretty much all stats are determined by ki. Strength, speed, durability, etc, are all determined by how much ki you have. Certain individuals have certain strengths, but as a general rule, for example, you can survive anything on a level of what you can create, which means that Vegeta, for example, could survive a full power blast from a fighter of equal power. That means that Friezas strength, speed, etc, all run off of the same energy pool that lets him planet bust in his sleep.

    Now going to his 100% form… that has a power level of 120,000,000. At this point, most people tend to bring up the fact that despite this, nobody blows up random planets with stray punches and ki blasts. This is the part, more than anything else, that is hard to get across.

    Ever played Final Fantasy? There’s 3 tiers of spell, in general, the standard, ra, and ga levels. So lets say that as long as it does 200 damage, a firaga can blow up a planet. On the other hand, halfway through the game, a regular fire spell would start doing 600 damage or so. That’s more than enough power to blow up the planet, but it’s still a smaller attack.

    The name of the game here is intensity. What most people fail to realize when talking about the Dragonball universe is that stronger attacks don’t always mean more destruction. It’s simply that more ki is pumped into a smaller attack. While collateral damage does marginally increase over the course of the series, they more or less capped out with Frieza. The reason that people talk about attacks that might destroy the earth in later fights isn’t because planet-destroying attacks are so dangerous, otherwise Vegetas planet-destroying Galick Gun would be a potential threat to perfect Cell… which it would most certainly not be. It’s because these are extremely powerful characters who are pumping so much power into an attack that they can no longer control the overflow.

    Golden Frieza and anything approaching SSG are so far above anything planet level that it’s absurd to try and put them in the same fight. That’s why we’re going with the EoNS stuff.

  30. Kitten Lord May 13, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #30

    I hate power scaling, I am only interested in feats, if someone busts a planet easily fair enough they can bust a planet easily. If it takes them 5 minutes to destroy one, or 5 minutes of screaming before even releasing the attack, anyone with half a brain is going to just cut them down.

  31. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 1:11 pm -      #31

    ” The whole, ‘power levels are meaningless’ thing, is not wholly correct. ”

    When you have the creator of a series say they, they are.
    =
    I’m going to not reply to anything else because scaling characters from power levels is meaningless, no matter what you try to say.
    =
    “That’s why we’re going with the EoNS stuff.”

    Well then Darkseid and Frieza win since Goku gets killed, then Frieza gets killed as a side effect of Darkseid and Supes fighting and then Darkseid kills Supes and forgets he had a partner to help him win.

  32. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 1:38 pm -      #32

    @Kitten Lord

    “I hate power scaling, I am only interested in feats, if someone busts a planet easily fair enough they can bust a planet easily. If it takes them 5 minutes to destroy one, or 5 minutes of screaming before even releasing the attack, anyone with half a brain is going to just cut them down.”

    Frieza instantly destroyed solar system out of desperation after Goku and Vegeta beat him back from Golden Frieza into his 1% form.

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets

    “Obvious PIS is obvious.”

    You didn’t get the point, didn’t you?

    Anyway. Current Darkseid is supposed to be stronger than Anti-Monitor. He should solo.

  33. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 1:52 pm -      #33

    “You didn’t get the point, didn’t you?”

    The point was that Batman and Deathstroke can hit Flash, therefore hitting him isn’t impressive.

    You don’t get that things like that are simply PIS.

  34. Friendlysociopath May 13, 2015 at 1:55 pm -      #34

    If it takes them 5 minutes to destroy one, or 5 minutes of screaming before even releasing the attack, anyone with half a brain is going to just cut them down.”

    Filler, lots and lots of filler.

    Don’t forget kids
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsMSiVn6vpQ

    That said, Roshi and Piccolo both have demonstrated moon-busting isn’t inherently difficult.
    Frieza sure as hell didn’t look like he was trying that hard to destroy Bardock.
    Bills has confirmed that he destroyed stars.
    and Frieza destroys the entire solar system after he couldn’t beat Goku.
    To say Goku could planet-bust would not be a stretch.

  35. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 2:22 pm -      #35

    “Bills has confirmed that he destroyed stars.”

    i.imgur.com/bKoa43C.jpg
    =
    “Frieza instantly destroyed solar system out of desperation after Goku and Vegeta beat him back from Golden Frieza into his 1% form.”

    “and Frieza destroys the entire solar system after he couldn’t beat Goku.”

    When did this happen? In the manga he only destroyed Namek and the transcript only mentions Earth being destroyed(which killed everyone who wasn’t protected by Whis and Bills force field mind you, so yes, planet busting still very capable of killing DB high tiers), and the manga adaptation of the movie doesn’t go that far.

  36. Kitten Lord May 13, 2015 at 2:38 pm -      #36

    @Rookie

    “Frieza instantly destroyed solar system out of desperation after Goku and Vegeta beat him back from Golden Frieza into his 1% form.”

    When did this happen?

  37. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 2:44 pm -      #37

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets

    “The point was that Batman and Deathstroke can hit Flash, therefore hitting him isn’t impressive.

    You don’t get that things like that are simply PIS.”

    Sigh… PIS happened when Superman managed to hit Flash.

    @Kitten Lord

    “When did this happen?”

    It’s from the summary of the RoF. This is a glimpse of how it will look in anime (from 1:14, we will have to wait for the full scene though):

  38. Kitten Lord May 13, 2015 at 2:47 pm -      #38

    Thats just another planet blowing up again. So just as I thought DBZ never goes past planet busting apart from maybe bills….

  39. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 2:49 pm -      #39

    @Kitten Lord

    “Thats just another planet blowing up again. So just as I thought DBZ never goes past planet busting apart from maybe bills….”

    Nah apparently explosion destroyed entire system. You can see how it expanded in the end. But yes, so far we do not have full scene, it’s a bit early to speak for sure.

  40. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 2:52 pm -      #40

    “Thats just another planet blowing up again. So just as I thought DBZ never goes past planet busting apart from maybe bills….”

    Aside from the fact that they could planet bust in the saiyan saga and quickly got exponentially more powerful. Look, you might not like powerscaling, but claiming that someone like Cell or Buu caps out at planet busting is completely nonsensical.

  41. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm -      #41

    @MatthiasTheWanderer

    “Look, you might not like powerscaling, but claiming that someone like Cell or Buu caps out at planet busting is completely nonsensical.”

    And here we go….

  42. Friendlysociopath May 13, 2015 at 3:01 pm -      #42

    And here we go….

    It’s absurdly funny how much of this thread I’m reading in various TFS voices.

    Look, you might not like powerscaling, but claiming that someone like Cell or Buu caps out at planet busting is completely nonsensical

    To be entirely fair, the one guy who we know can destroy stars manhandles Buu and pretty much everyone else with absolutely no trouble.

  43. Kitten Lord May 13, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #43

    @Matt

    “but claiming that someone like Cell or Buu caps out at planet busting is completely nonsensical.”

    That is all they bust so its pretty sensible, considering a star bust is like, leaps beyond that by a whole different order of magnitude I doubt just saying they have gotten more powerful since the beginning will be convincing enough to acknowledge star busting.

    @Rookie

    “pparently explosion destroyed entire system.”

    Ill be skeptical until it comes out I guess.

  44. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 3:07 pm -      #44

    By the way powerlevels is bullshit in DBZ. You can see how red guy punched Picollo in video above. Gohan was forced to go SS to beat him.
    Guess that his power level? 18 000. Yes, it was stated that his power level is equal to Zarbon.
    Power levels are bullshit and have no point in debate about DBZ IMO.

  45. Jake_Uzumaki May 13, 2015 at 3:08 pm -      #45

    “To be entirely fair, the one guy who we know can destroy stars manhandles Buu and pretty much everyone else with absolutely no trouble.”

    I wish I could like and share this.

  46. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 3:23 pm -      #46

    “Sigh… PIS happened when Superman managed to hit Flash.”

    Now you’re just being stubborn. We know Supes and Flash are close to each other in speed and we know that Flash can move fast enough for Bats and DS to literally seem frozen in time.
    =
    “It’s from the summary of the RoF.”

    The summary only mentions Earth being destroyed.
    =
    “This is a glimpse of how it will look in anime (from 1:14, we will have to wait for the full scene though):”

    That scene confirms it.
    =
    “Nah apparently explosion destroyed entire system.”

    Where are you getting solar system? Nowhere in the summary is “solar system” mentioned.

    “’Or for you!’ screams Freeza, as he sends a ball of energy straight into the ground below him. The Earth’s crust cracks and distorts, revealing magma underneath that rushes to the surface. The Earth is engulfed in fire, and is obliterated in a giant explosion.”

    No mention of solar system.
    =
    “Aside from the fact that they could planet bust in the saiyan saga and quickly got exponentially more powerful.”

    Vegeta saying “hurr durr i splode planet” doesn’t mean he could.
    =
    ” Look, you might not like powerscaling, but claiming that someone like Cell or Buu caps out at planet busting is completely nonsensical.”

    But it’s the only PROVABLE power for all of them. Sure, they’re all more likely than not casual multiplanet level, but NO ONE can prove that.
    =
    “I wish I could like and share this.”

    Quoting it seems like the next best thing, right?

  47. Limbo Lowk May 13, 2015 at 3:26 pm -      #47

    “Sigh… PIS happened when Superman managed to hit Flash.”

    Well considering he has been noted move as fast as lightning.
    Noted by future heroes that he is faster then lightning and the fact that supergirl can amp her speed to hit him(with effort)
    I say that it isn’t really PIS.

  48. Limbo Lowk May 13, 2015 at 3:28 pm -      #48

    “Sure, they’re all more likely than not casual multiplanet level, but NO ONE can prove that.”

    Didn’t Buu hit earth with the power to destroy it 10 times over or something like that?

  49. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 3:39 pm -      #49

    “Didn’t Buu hit earth with the power to destroy it 10 times over or something like that?”

    That was added in the dub, maybe sub, it was only in the anime, not the manga.

  50. Ragnorke May 13, 2015 at 3:39 pm -      #50

    “and we know that Flash can move fast enough for Bats and DS to literally seem frozen in time.”

    Wasn’t this pre-flashpoint?

    “Look, you might not like powerscaling, but claiming that someone like Cell or Buu caps out at planet busting is completely nonsensical.”

    i.imgur.com/PZ3pkKa.jpg
    This is how big stars get compared to Planets.

    Not every casual planet buster or multi-planet buster can be referred to as a Star Buster.
    That’s like calling a dude that can crush a Water Bottle a planet buster. That’s literally how big the difference is.

  51. Jake_Uzumaki May 13, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #51

    “Quoting it seems like the next best thing, right?”

    Pretty much. The irony is I think as of now not counting non canon movies and anime filler…Frieza has destroyed more planets than anyone confirmed.
    Planet Vegeta, Namek, and now Earth.
    In the manga Cell never blew up any legit planet…sure he nuked King Kai’s planet but do you really need to be planet busting to destroy that little rock?
    And in the manga Kid Buu only nuked Earth then regenerated and went straight to the Kai planet to kill Goku and Vegeta. No rampage or anything.

  52. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 3:47 pm -      #52

    “Wasn’t this pre-flashpoint?”

    In Captain Atom series, Flash was literally plucking bullets out of the air, which seemed to not be moving, at all.

    4.bp.blogspot.com/-xbY2iGokFtE/UNb1dPdqegI/AAAAAAAAAhk/S71T8-CioZ0/s1600/photo+3.PNG
    =
    “In the manga Cell never blew up any legit planet…sure he nuked King Kai’s planet but do you really need to be planet busting to destroy that little rock?”

    No, but he was trying to blow up Earth, whether he could or couldn’t is another story altogether.
    =
    “And in the manga Kid Buu only nuked Earth then regenerated and went straight to the Kai planet to kill Goku and Vegeta. No rampage or anything.”

    Pretty much.
    =
    Please, don’t let this end up turning into a power level debate…

  53. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 3:47 pm -      #53

    “By the way powerlevels is bullshit in DBZ. You can see how red guy punched Picollo in video above. Gohan was forced to go SS to beat him.
    Guess that his power level? 18 000. Yes, it was stated that his power level is equal to Zarbon.”

    I… what? What the hell are you talking about? Dabura? That’s the only ‘red guy’ I can think of that fought Piccolo and required super saiyan to beat.. in which case your information is waaaay wrong, because 18,000 is a joke to Friezas first form, and Dabura’s supposed to be around as strong as Cell. So no. Also, the fact that you think Zarbons power level was 18,000 is hilarious.

    Also, completely aside from the powerscaling, did nobody pay attention to the whole intensity thing? I went into a fair amount of detail with that…

  54. Ragnorke May 13, 2015 at 3:48 pm -      #54

    “In Captain Atom series, Flash was literally plucking bullets out of the air, which seemed to not be moving, at all.”

    Yea but you mentioned DarkSeid… Didn’t know a scene like that happened in the New52.

  55. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm -      #55

    Also, aside from the DBZ thing, we can change Darkseids incarnation if it’s a stomp, that’s one of the things we’ve been trying to settle on.

  56. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 4:04 pm -      #56

    @MatthiasTheWanderer

    “I… what? What the hell are you talking about? ”

    “Sorbet then introduces his top lieutenants, Tagoma and Shisami. The two bow, as Tagoma mentions he also had a hand in reviving Freeza. Sorbet continues his introductions, boastfully claiming they are equal in ability to the late Zarbon and Dodoria.”

    “Shisami lands on the battlefield near Piccolo, who has just taken out a few of the last remaining soldiers with a kiai, and challenges the Namekian. Piccolo rushes at him, throwing a massive punch, but Shisami deflects it. The two exchange a volley of blows, but Shisami quickly gains the upper hand and sends Piccolo flying with a punch to the face. Piccolo flies up into the air, just dodging Shisami’s ki blast, and returns fire with a Makankōsappō. Piccolo thinks he got him, but Shisami suddenly appears behind Piccolo, hitting him in the neck before he can react.”

    ” Freeza is shocked to see Gohan transform into a Super Saiyan, as Gohan rushes forward and makes quick work of Shisami with a single punch to the stomach.”

    Shisami is that red guy I was talking about.

  57. Jake_Uzumaki May 13, 2015 at 4:04 pm -      #57

    “I… what? What the hell are you talking about? Dabura?”

    No one of Frieza’s soldiers in the new movie Revival of F which is canon. Gohan had to go SS to win.

  58. MatthiasTheWanderer May 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm -      #58

    And we’re supposed to believe that someone able to fight post Cell games Piccolo to a standstill is only as strong as saiyan saga Vegeta? Where is this stated, and by who?

  59. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 4:09 pm -      #59

    @MatthiasTheWanderer

    “And we’re supposed to believe that someone able to fight post Cell games Piccolo to a standstill is only as strong as saiyan saga Vegeta? Where is this stated, and by who?”

    This is the official summary of the movie. Also look in the video above, Shisami appears at 0:59 (red guy) and KO’ed Piccolo with ease.

  60. Ragnorke May 13, 2015 at 4:13 pm -      #60

    “And we’re supposed to believe that someone able to fight post Cell games Piccolo to a standstill is only as strong as saiyan saga Vegeta? ”

    You realize every character has a completely different anatomy right?
    Beating someone in a fight does not make you an equal or superior in every regard,

    Reaction time, fighting speed, fighting skills, power of energy manipulation, time needed for energy manipulation, durability to energy, durability to Forces, Strength…
    They’re all entirely different, and thus all need entirely different feats to support. That’s why power-scaling through fights is silly.

  61. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 4:14 pm -      #61

    “I… what? What the hell are you talking about? Dabura? That’s the only ‘red guy’ I can think of that fought Piccolo and required super saiyan to beat.. ”

    He said in the video, at about 1:02 a red guy punches out Picollo, his name is Shisami and he was at Zarbon and Dodoria level of power.

    dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Shisami
    =
    “Also, completely aside from the powerscaling, did nobody pay attention to the whole intensity thing? I went into a fair amount of detail with that…”

    The big whole in that theory is that planet busting attacks ARE dangerous. The only first provable point in the series that involves planet busting has Goku running scared for his life and Frieza survives. The next provable point in the series has Vegeta and Goku running scared, tail between his legs and it kills everyone else on the planet and Buu gets obliterated, regen saves him, Frieza, does the same thing and it kills SSGSS Vegeta while Whis, Bills, Goku, and some others hide behind a force field.

    Every other instance is just a character stating he can do it, with no evidence to prove it. Goku’s kamehameha was supposed to planet bust, and it fries Cell, Cell wants to suicide bomb Earth, Goku ITs him out of the planet and dies. Destroying the planet has always been a very credible threat to the DBverse.
    =
    “Yea but you mentioned DarkSeid…”

    DS=Deathstroke, since he was the guy that Rookie mentioned. I’ve been saying Darkseid’s full name the entire match. Sorry for the confusion. Didn’t know that happened in the first place though.
    =
    “That’s why power-scaling through fights is silly.”

    Or even worse, power scaling through power levels or killi…

  62. Friendlysociopath May 13, 2015 at 5:00 pm -      #62

    “That’s why power-scaling through fights is silly.”

    Personally I only powerscale when we can directly see the exact attribute in action.
    For example:

    We can see they both attack one another and we know they aren’t holding back, so powerscaling Strength between the two isn’t at all farfetched.
    (Err, if you want a translation it’s pretty much-
    Hideyoshi: “You’re not strong enough to rule this land!”
    Date: “Screw you”)

    But yeah, “X beat Y” is not a good idea for powerscaling.

    Also, completely aside from the powerscaling, did nobody pay attention to the whole intensity thing?

    Minor nitpick, Fire, Fira, Firaga, and Firaja are just coding to make the spell seem better.
    Let me explain:
    There’s two ways you could do damage at that time, have a spell constantly get stronger through variables like level, or make a new spell and give it its own variables that are simply better than the older spell.
    The former is more difficult to program compared to the latter. That’s why there’s levels of those spells. In canon Fire simply never measures up to higher-tier spells like Meteor because no amount of personal power will make up for the difference.

    And we’re supposed to believe that someone able to fight post Cell games Piccolo to a standstill is only as strong as saiyan saga Vegeta?

    I suppose you could make the argument that Piccolo spent his energy fighting the regular troops of Frieza so he was KO’d easily because he was tired?

    So since we blew way past 50- where do we stand for incarnations and all that jazz?

  63. Rookie May 13, 2015 at 5:18 pm -      #63

    @Friendlysociopath

    “I suppose you could make the argument that Piccolo spent his energy fighting the regular troops of Frieza so he was KO’d easily because he was tired?”

    There were 1000 soldiers and they all have average PL from 1000 to 2000 (probably even lower, since they were leftovers of Frieza’s army, far from elite troops). Even master Roshi was able to take down dozens with ease.

  64. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 7:35 pm -      #64

    There were 1000 soldiers and they all have average PL from 1000 to 2000 (probably even lower, since they were leftovers of Frieza’s army, far from elite troops). Even master Roshi was able to take down dozens with ease.

    So power levels in DBZ still remain inconsistent and meaningless.

    What else is new?

  65. Friendlysociopath May 13, 2015 at 9:11 pm -      #65

    What else is new?

    Technically everything, it’s getting a new series starting July 2015 in Japan.

  66. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 9:40 pm -      #66

    Technically everything, it’s getting a new series starting July 2015 in Japan.

    When does it come to U.S?

    And is it a continuation of where RoF left off?

    This also means that DBZ vs battles will gain more search interest, so I’d expect some (more) DBZtards to be floatin’ around in da internets.

  67. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 10:51 pm -      #67

    “When does it come to U.S?”

    Probably not too long, most animes are subbed a day or two after they get released, right?
    =
    “And is it a continuation of where RoF left off?”

    I think so? At the very least it’s within the 10 year gap that happens in the manga.

    www.ew.com/article/2015/04/28/dragon-ball-super-coming-this-year

    www.idigitaltimes.com/dragon-ball-super-release-date-confirmed-july-2015-over-100-episodes-planned-440343

    So, one says after Buu, the other says after RoF and after Buu, so who knows, at least after Buu is certain.

  68. Nsl98 May 13, 2015 at 11:51 pm -      #68

    Looks promising, I’ll definitely watch.

    Which incarnations were we going with for Supes and Darkseid? I was under the impression OP changed it to 52.

  69. DokuSaki May 14, 2015 at 12:17 am -      #69

    Also a proof that Goku can planet bust. Also watch full clip to confirm context.

    0:57-1:00

    Also it’s confirmed that cell is a solar system buster in
    i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u511/DHM211/687f7c8d.jpg
    Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
    Context: while charging the Kamehameha
    Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!”

    Also to note buu is uni buster
    i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/goku-versus-nate-grey-x-man-6990.jpg
    i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/goku-versus-nate-grey-x-man-6991.jpg
    i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/goku-versus-nate-grey-x-man-6993.gif
    (i have more just ask)

  70. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 12:21 am -      #70

    @Nsl N52 Supes, he never said that the Darkseid being used is N52, so it’s still animated. So, Supes kills Team 2 and Goku on accident due to everyone else here being so much weaker then him.

  71. Limbo Lowk May 14, 2015 at 12:28 am -      #71

    “he never said that the Darkseid being used is N52, so it’s still animated”

    The scenario only really specifies Superman and that was changed. So going by current it would still be new 52 wouldn’t it.
    Or did Wanderer confirm where were using animated?

  72. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 12:43 am -      #72

    “The scenario only really specifies Superman and that was changed. So going by current it would still be new 52 wouldn’t it.”

    Fair point. So, then Darkseid kills Goku and Frieza on accident and takes down Supes easily enough.

  73. Rookie May 14, 2015 at 2:04 am -      #73

    @DokuSaki

    “Context: while charging the Kamehameha
    Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!””

    Unless he actually destroyed solar system it doesn’t count. It just words.

  74. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 2:16 am -      #74

    Okay, okay, here it is. If everyone agrees that RoF incarnations would be better for the match, let’s go with that. I can accept that nobody agrees with the methods I used, and I’m trying really hard to avoid having another match turn into a rage fest. As for Darkseid, I suggested going with New 52 under the initial assumption that he would be roughly in the same ballpark as Superman. Considering what has been discussed since then, I think it might be better to stick with animated, unless someone has another idea to discuss.

    As an add on to the Piccolo thing, I talked to a friend who saw the movie in an early release event, and he shed some light on the subject. The scene where the general bragged to Frieza that he was as strong as Zarbon was immediately followed by Frieza telling him that wouldn’t do shit, followed by an indeterminate period of intense training. By the time they got to Earth, Frieza expressed surprise that he was beaten, so we can pretty safely assume that he was far stronger at that point, and it no longer breaks logic.

  75. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 2:21 am -      #75

    @MtW Thing is, it’s passed 50 posts, you can’t change it incarnations. Part of the rules.

  76. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 2:25 am -      #76

    Sorry for the double post, my edit timed out, I think.

    “Unless he actually destroyed solar system it doesn’t count. It just words.”

    Umm, sort of? On the one hand, I fully support not taking boasting at face value as a general rule, but on the other, most characters in DBZ, Cell especially, tend to be pretty accurate about what they can blow up. Who they can beat, not necessarily, but destructive potential tends to be fairly accurate. Also taking into account that by this point it is by no means a stretch of the imagination and I’m inclined to take him seriously on this one.

    Oh, wow, ninja’d. Okay.

    “Thing is, it’s passed 50 posts, you can’t change it incarnations. Part of the rules.”

    Right, that rule that no one ever pays attention to unless things start getting absurd. We’re having an ongoing discussion about the incarnations, and haven’t reached a conclusion, don’t start rules lawering just to be an ass.

  77. TheSorrow May 14, 2015 at 2:48 am -      #77

    There was a debate about whether or not Cell could destroy the solar system a while back. Basically the argument boils down to, all we have is Cell’s word that he can destroy the solar system, and while the Z Warriors can sense ki, they have never experienced an attack of that magnitude previously. It’s speculation unless WoG says Cell could have destroyed the Solar System.

  78. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 2:57 am -      #78

    Eh, it doesn’t matter much to the match itself, I was just throwing in my two cents.

  79. TheSorrow May 14, 2015 at 3:03 am -      #79

    Just wanted to make it clear, if by some chance it was going to be discussed further.

  80. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 3:04 am -      #80

    “Right, that rule that no one ever pays attention to unless things start getting absurd”

    Because most times that rule doesn’t really need to come into play, and when it does we follow it.

  81. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 3:08 am -      #81

    “Because most times that rule doesn’t really need to come into play, and when it does we follow it.”

    Nobody follows it. People change incarnations after 100 all the time and nobody says shit, because people care more about having a balanced match than arbitrary comment counts.

  82. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 3:13 am -      #82

    “Nobody follows it. People change incarnations after 100 all the time and nobody says shit, because people care more about having a balanced match than arbitrary comment counts.”

    Every match I’ve seen that involves incarnations follows it. Even if they didn’t, it’s still a rule. Don’t like it, blame Chuck.

    factpile.com/7700-daken-vs-solid-snake/

  83. Soulerous May 14, 2015 at 3:27 am -      #83

    The reason it seems to be ignored sometimes may be because needed incarnation and/or balance changes can be made when everyone agrees to them unanimously. Otherwise it takes Admin.
    ~
    So yeah, the 50-post rule applies anytime someone wants it to.

  84. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 3:39 am -      #84

    So, essentially, we’re left with a completely unbalanced match and the whole debate is ruined because this guy feels like being an asshole?

  85. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 3:52 am -      #85

    My bad for following the rules…

  86. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 3:56 am -      #86

    There’s an exception to the rules written into the rules for scenarios just like this. Your argument is invalid.

  87. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 4:15 am -      #87

    “There’s an exception to the rules written into the rules for scenarios just like this. Your argument is invalid.”

    Dude, all you’re going to is constantly changing incarnations, so yea, I am going to pull the 50 post rule on you. You go with EoS DB and N52 DC, Darkseid wins, go with animated Darkseid, EoS DB, and N52 Supes, Supes wins, go with EoNS DB and animated DC, Goku wins, go with PostC-PreFP/PreN52 DC and EoS DB, Supes wins. There’s no combination of these characters where one of them won’t outdo the others.

  88. MatthiasTheWanderer May 14, 2015 at 4:28 am -      #88

    “Dude, all you’re going to is constantly changing incarnations, so yea, I am going to pull the 50 post rule on you. You go with EoS DB and N52 DC, Darkseid wins, go with animated Darkseid, EoS DB, and N52 Supes, Supes wins, go with EoNS DB and animated DC, Goku wins, go with PostC-PreFP/PreN52 DC and EoS DB, Supes wins. There’s no combination of these characters where one of them won’t outdo the others.”

    This whole thing is why we pretty much immediately scrapped the original DC incarnations, quickly after started discussing which DBZ incarnations to use, and HAVEN’T SETTLED ON ANYTHING YET. We were still trying to decide on this shit when we hit the 50 marker, and are still doing so.

    If you don’t think there’s a single way this can play out that’s worth debating, then leave and let the rest of us wallow in our ignorance, oh enlightened one. If you CAN think of a way that this match works, and want to ruin it anyway, then you’re just being a jackass for the sake of it, and you can go straight to hell.

    No, you know what, fuck this. Thank you. Thank you for reminding me why I left this site in the first place. Every time I try to post a match, someone comes in and starts pulling at threads to see if they can make it all fall apart. So I’m done. I have one more match coming up some time this week. If anyone can bring some sort of reason to this fight, let me know there, if not, I’m just going to let that be the deciding factor in whether or not I leave for good, because this bullshit is ridiculous.

  89. Limbo Lowk May 14, 2015 at 4:30 am -      #89

    “Fair point. So, then Darkseid kills Goku and Frieza on accident and takes down Supes easily enough.”

    To be fair Goku has a pretty large range advatage on Darksied. His strongest feat are currently in his physical power so he would have to close in. Against someone who can teleport that might be difficult.
    Omega beams don’t really have many feats other then destroying a fortress of solitude. Iirc the fortess is stated to be durable enough to take any weapon the worlds army could throw at it. The strongest thing I know of is the tsar bomb. Would +50 megaton be able to hurt Goku? I know it might not kill him but I recall him being damaged by stuff below planet busting before.

  90. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 4:43 am -      #90

    “This whole thing is why we pretty much immediately scrapped the original DC incarnations”

    Yea, and the animated versions get stomped by EoNS, your match was still unbalanced. There is no way to make this fair or balanced. One character or the characters from the same universe will be owning the match.
    =
    ” His strongest feat are currently in his physical power so he would have to close in.”

    IIRC, his omega beams were owning Earth 2 heroes, granted, none of them really have any feats outside of fights.
    =
    “The strongest thing I know of is the tsar bomb. Would +50 megaton be able to hurt Goku?”

    I’d assume so, SS3 Goku’s punch was calced to be 38 KT by Tarbel when he made that crater during his first fight with Bills.
    =
    “I know it might not kill him but I recall him being damaged by stuff below planet busting before.”

    Planet busting is still very much capable of killing DB characters. According to the transcript SSGSS Vegeta died when Frieza blew up the Earth and Whis, Bills, Goku, and others were hiding behind a force field.

  91. TheSorrow May 14, 2015 at 6:48 am -      #91

    No, you know what, fuck this. Thank you. Thank you for reminding me why I left this site in the first place

    If you are going to call it quits, just walk out quietly so no one has to be embarrassed.

    Every time I try to post a match, someone comes in and starts pulling at threads to see if they can make it all fall apart.

    Did you really think that your scenarios wouldn’t be held up to a certain level of scrutiny? Also, from what it looks like, you have only made one match, do you really cave under pressure so quickly?

    I’m just going to let that be the deciding factor in whether or not I leave for good, because this bullshit is ridiculous.

    I can assure you no one is going to feel bad if the latter becomes true.

  92. Tarbel May 14, 2015 at 12:59 pm -      #92

    You know, I really enjoy it when debaters participate in a discussion with an intent to make it enjoyable and thought provoking while reopening settled issues or bringing new light to them. This way people don’t just fall into a circle of decided upon opinions which they turn to as fact, meanwhile other factors and situations which can falsify or shed light on things get ignored. A lot of people are just here to win an argument and that doesn’t bring anything new or useful to the table of fictional character debating.
    So my point is that debates would be more fulfilling when all parties aren’t 100% fixated on an opinion and/or being the victor of the debate, so much so as to belittle or tear at another arguer’s integrity just for taking a different side or making unintentional mistakes.


    As for the match, I don’t have much to say until I actually watch the new DBZ movie. However, I’m predisposed to say that Superman level characters are likely to win against DBZ characters since they tend to be more well-rounded in feats/showings.

    On a more general note, I want to say that settled opinions on debatable subjects can always be subject to change when more information or arguments are available.
    And then a more particular note, I agree with MatthiasTheWanderer’s rationale on attack intensity. I’ve advocated before that destructive capacity is an indicator of power but power is not necessarily an indicator of destructive capacity; powerful attacks may cause monumental destruction but don’t always do.

  93. Ragnorke May 14, 2015 at 4:50 pm -      #93

    @Wanderer
    The thing is, it’s always going to be a stomp one way or the other.
    The difference between Televesion Supes & Comic Supes is so ridiculously high, and DBZ characters fall somewhere right in the middle.

    DBZ characters also aren’t looked at very highly on this site, unlike 99% of other sites on the internet where Goku is worshiped as their lord & savior without having any proof of his so called incredible feats.

    It was an interesting enough match up, but it was generally settled in the incredibly long Superman vs Goku thread.
    Adding in Vegeta & Darkseid to the mix doesn’t change things around too much.

    So in a way i see where CH1 is coming from, might as well just apply the post #50 rule and end the thread as it is.
    Otherwise we’re just going to go in circles deciding on which stomp is better. Because it will always come down to a stomp.

  94. Limbo Lowk May 14, 2015 at 5:54 pm -      #94

    Goku has the range and possibly the mobility advantage over darkseid. However he is capable of manipulating gravity or space to pull at people.
    i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd485/infamousColeMacgrath/DC/Constantine%202013-%20023-006_zps79rob8xk.jpg
    John was only able to resist it becasue of a spell fueled by the people he sacrificed to the pull
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-duGmndrsvUo/VPtC9qLiIPI/AAAAAAAAHUk/uNnXLLA4mRM/s1600/const_23_3-copy.jpg

    How’s Goku’s resistance to gravity or space manipulation? Aside from the typical flying thing I mean.

  95. Friendlysociopath May 14, 2015 at 6:03 pm -      #95

    How’s Goku’s resistance to gravity or space manipulation? Aside from the typical flying thing I mean.

    Well he does have that whole “I trained in 100x Earth gravity” thing plus he eventually managed to be on King Kai’s planet with no issue when an apple would crater the ground so he at least has some feats for it.
    Yamcha was even able to survive in 300x Earth gravity, he couldn’t move and nearly died but hey- he could move and he wasn’t turned into paste.
    Vegeta was able to take 450x Earth gravity but I think that was GT so might not count.

  96. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #96

    “How’s Goku’s resistance to gravity or space manipulation? Aside from the typical flying thing I mean.”

    As a SS1 he was manhandling 40 tons in 10G.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/49536/2776898-912919_goku_40_tons_super.jpg

    And Vegeta was training under 300G. And it mentions when Goku trained in 100G

    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/194194-1155499_veg300_super.jpg

    lh3.googleusercontent.com/cXJK2yZZqwXD0FW_XliqSPW8SBbcGXFnaY5laHCvXFKs1wOKIPbiBg6I9PVlIkWR5FVXoQbSqjOjcoG_5GkY-d9vtn1Qh6xKufy2OnHYBBV585Brp_xabSfQjA

    So, pretty good.

  97. Nomad May 16, 2015 at 1:00 am -      #97

    It was a good effort, it’s just sometimes matches don’t turn out as equal as one hoped. But hey, there are plenty of other ideas you have I bet :)

  98. Limbo Lowk May 16, 2015 at 2:36 am -      #98

    “So, pretty good.”

    Then Darkseid would need Goku to come in at least a city block distance, maybe one of his AoE attacks can hit him.

  99. DokuSaki May 16, 2015 at 3:41 am -      #99

    @rookie
    Unless he actually destroyed solar system it doesn’t count. It just words.
    —-

    Well it does i got another 2 official sources outside that both state that he’s a solar system buster. both word of god.

    Same for buu i got way more sources for him being galaxy buster.

  100. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 16, 2015 at 3:54 am -      #100

    “Then Darkseid would need Goku to come in at least a city block distance, maybe one of his AoE attacks can hit him.”

    I don’t think that’ll matter, in the end, planet busting will still kill him and Alan Scott had the Red, the Blue, the White, the Green, the Grey of Earth 2 as well as the power of the Green from all Earth’s in the DC multiverse. He still had no chance. Right before that and then after that he took on, Power Girl, Thomas Wayne, Val Zod, Huntress, Aquawoman, Dr. Fate, Hawkgirl, Jay Garrick, Captain Steel, Jonni Thunder, Red Tornado, and one other hero who I don’t know.
    =
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67344/2872350-f4vssuperman.jpg

    Also, anyone know where this is from?

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