Principality of Zeon Vs Holy Britannian Empire

Principality of Zeon Vs Holy Britannian Empire

Suggested by Sauroposeidon

Principality of Zeon will go up against Holy Britannian Empire (both from Gundam)

After their victory over Oz, the Holy Britannian Empire is slotted to face another Gundam faction. The infamous Principality of Zeon.

Each faction’s goal is to conquer an uninhabited Earth and defeat the other faction, driving them off world.

Scenario 1: Antarctic Treaty in effect

Scenario 2: Antarctic Treaty not in effect

Who claims the planet for themselves?

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24 Comments on "Principality of Zeon Vs Holy Britannian Empire"

  1. Rookie May 10, 2015 at 6:24 am -      #1

    How many ships and troops does HBE have? Are HBE generals competent commanders or not?

  2. Kitten Lord May 10, 2015 at 6:40 am -      #2

    What a question, if its related to Britain you can count on it having the most elite, most powerful forces with some of the best generals! muahah!

    rs1img.memecdn.com/operation-retake-british-empire_o_2819259.jpg

  3. Namer May 10, 2015 at 6:45 am -      #3

    Um.
    .
    You may have some misconceptions about the Holy Brittanian Empire. First, its from Code Geass. Second, it has no space-based assets, unless you count the singular Damocles. The HBE is entirely ground based, controlling the parts of Earth you can see in the above map as blue.

  4. Sauroposeidon May 10, 2015 at 7:17 am -      #4

    What happened to the pictures I sent? That’s an awfully nazi-ish picture for zeon LOL, good ol’ gihren. Also, I think that’s Dozle Zabi’s zaku.

    Also, their goal is primarily the control of Earth. First one to completely control Earth wins. In the case of Zeon this means simply being routed from Earth permanently. I.E. what the Federation did to them.

    In the case of the Empire, it probably means the collapse of their faction since they can’t flee to space.

    Good luck to both parties!

  5. itcheyness May 10, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #5

    Zeon takes scenario 2 since they can just pelt Earth with nukes, colonies, and poison gas with impunity.

    Zeon might take scenario 2 too, since Britannia’s F.L.E.I.J.A. would be bound by the Antarctic Treaty, and that leaves them open to an enemy force that can strike pretty much wherever they want, and have a massive ground force on the planet since they’d pretty much not have to worry about space defenses at all.

  6. Friendlysociopath May 10, 2015 at 1:50 pm -      #6

    Errr, does Holy Britania have Lelouch and his shenanigans available?

  7. Sauroposeidon May 10, 2015 at 2:03 pm -      #7

    They have whatever they have. Zeon has whatever they have. This includes all the bullshit units and hax characters.

  8. seradon May 10, 2015 at 2:57 pm -      #8

    This is a terrible stomp in Zeon’s favor. They basically get to mass produce the Big Zam AND all the other anti-Jaburo weapons since Britannia can’t touch them in space. Unless they go the SRW way and float units can be retrofitted for space use that is…

  9. Onibabalon123 May 10, 2015 at 3:51 pm -      #9

    Can you say Colony Drop?

  10. Sauroposeidon May 10, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #10

    Zeon’s resources are limited. They’ll need to capture and hold mining facilities for the raw resources required to produce units in space. Just like in the anime.

    There are no other colonies with yummy resource asteroids for them to take over this time. There is no human presence. And HBE owns most of the planet already. I think the conditions are fair.

  11. itcheyness May 10, 2015 at 5:55 pm -      #11

    What point in it’s history are we taking PoZ from?

    Because after they were driven off of Earth, they still had gathered enough resources to continue the war for another 10 years.

  12. Sauroposeidon May 10, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #12

    Start/Early OYW.

    So they aren’t dropping on Earth with Grand Zeongs, Mass Produced Big Zams, and beam rifle toting Acht Zakus all over the place.

  13. itcheyness May 10, 2015 at 6:55 pm -      #13

    Okay, and what era HBE are we using?

  14. Sauroposeidon May 10, 2015 at 10:06 pm -      #14

    I haven’t seen Geass so… I don’t know. I guess at their peak? just know all of you other guys have. I suggested this on the loose basis of what little I know about knightmare frames and the fact that it seemed like it’d make for a good discussion. Just one one I could easily participate in, or participate in at all once it gets going.

  15. Sauroposeidon May 10, 2015 at 10:11 pm -      #15

    Hold on a second…

    Why does it say both factions are from Gundam? Can we get that changed, please? That just looks very embarrassing for BankGambling. We have enough image inaccuracy issues as it is. We don’t need to begin getting shit like source of factions wrong as well.

  16. itcheyness May 11, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #16

    You really should give Code Geass a watch, it’s a good anime with somewhat realistic mecha designs (they actually have ejection seats for instance) well, at first anyway. The designs go a bit off the rails in season 2.

    At it’s peak, the HBE stomps early war PoZ.

    Their gen 7 mass production Knightmares like the Vincents and Gareths will fly circles around the Zakus and Goufs, and their flying battleships would be a bitch to deal with. That’s not even covering the mass destruction that will ensue when the Knights of the Round join the party.

  17. Sauroposeidon May 11, 2015 at 6:19 am -      #17

    Hey, hey, hey, slow down there, Itchey. I never said Code Geass sucked. I just said I hadn’t seen it. I probably will watch it someday. I just haven’t gotten around to it. Considering how much I dislike the new Gundam, though, I’ll probably drop it to watch something else. Might just be Code Geass.

    Zeon does get technological advances in a matter of months, but if that’s not balancing enough what do you propose?

  18. itcheyness May 11, 2015 at 10:27 am -      #18

    Maybe start out with Early series HBE too? They can’t win, but their Sutherlands and Gloucesters along with the Lancelot and Gawain should be able to put up a pretty decent fight against early OYW PoZ.

    They also have respectable conventional forces that we know can be used to combat PoZ at least somewhat effectively (since the Earth Federation managed to defeat the PoZ at Odessa largely with conventional forces)

    We can have the two factions advance somewhat evenly with their tech since they both advance pretty rapidly in their respective series.

  19. Sauroposeidon May 11, 2015 at 11:15 am -      #19

    “They also have respectable conventional forces that we know can be used to combat PoZ at least somewhat effectively (since the Earth Federation managed to defeat the PoZ at Odessa largely with conventional forces)”

    The bulk of zeon’s forces are conventional. Even losing one Zaku was considered a huge issue even by September. We never hear anything like this concerning Magella Attack tanks or any of their other smaller vehicles, like the Mongoose or Dodai bomber. Granted they don’t get the same screen time either, and the Magella Attacks were considered tanks to be feared by the Federation.. but I think you get my point.

    So the HBE will also be fighting, heavy and medium tanks, amphibious attack vehicles, APC’s, armored trucks, submarines, land ships, bombers, aerial carriers, (crappy) jet fighters, and so on and so forth. It’s not like it’ll be like, say.. this..

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGue2l0kjk

    So, we’ll go with early HBE then. Even if they get steam rolled at first, early PoZ lacks the technology and mobile suit numbers to sustain its blitzkrieg after it takes so much territory. Giving HBE time to catch up. Then the interesting part happens.

  20. Envoy May 11, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #20

    “Their gen 7 mass production Knightmares like the Vincents and Gareths will fly circles around the Zakus and Goufs, and their flying battleships would be a bitch to deal with.”
    +
    Eh, IIRC the Vincents weren’t given to everyone, just the elites, even by the end of the series (last episode) Sutherlands were still being used. Besides, Knightmares are all less than 10 meters tall, most Zeon MS are twice that numbers. Normal munitions probably won’t do anything to most MS, and even less so when Doms skate onto the scene.
    +
    On the topic of size/weight, MS stand pretty tall in comparison to knightmares, they weigh quite a bit too. Just a physical attack from an MS should be devastating, heck, the Zaku’s machine gun is probably as big as a Knightmare, firing shells the size of its cockpit.
    =
    “We can have the two factions advance somewhat evenly with their tech since they both advance pretty rapidly in their respective series.”
    +
    Wasn’t there a year long gap between season one and two?

  21. itcheyness May 12, 2015 at 10:49 pm -      #21

    “Eh, IIRC the Vincents weren’t given to everyone, just the elites, even by the end of the series (last episode) Sutherlands were still being used.”

    Vincent wards made up the largest chunk of Britannia forces at Mt. Fuji, Sutherlands were only there in a supporting role.

    “Besides, Knightmares are all less than 10 meters tall, most Zeon MS are twice that numbers. Normal munitions probably won’t do anything to most MS, and even less so when Doms skate onto the scene.”

    The assault rifles carried by Glasgows, Sutherlands, and Gloucesters crumple up battle tanks like soda cans, and they can be equipped with Bazookas, missile launchers, and sniper rifles among other things. Also, there’s a lot more of them than there are Zakus at the beginning evidently.

    “On the topic of size/weight, MS stand pretty tall in comparison to knightmares, they weigh quite a bit too. Just a physical attack from an MS should be devastating, heck, the Zaku’s machine gun is probably as big as a Knightmare, firing shells the size of its cockpit.”

    Knightmares are also a lot faster and more agile than most Zeon mobile suits. I seriously doubt that a physical blow is going to be landed on one.

    “Wasn’t there a year long gap between season one and two?”

    Yeah, and in that time Britannia went from having slightly better than modern day tech with a few advanced prototypes, to being able to field a sizeable fleet of flying mechs and battleships, and a bomb that creates a sphere of absolutely nothing in a rather wide radius.

    PoZ’s initial landing force is going to get wrecked pretty easily wherever the Zakus and Goufs aren’t, and the Zakus and Goufs aren’t going to be much help once the rest of PoZ’s land forces are wiped out.

  22. Sauroposeidon May 13, 2015 at 12:36 am -      #22

    PoZ doesn’t start with Goufs initially.

    However, they have models which ultimately weren’t mass produced, such as the Hildolfr, which have existed for a while.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZuZdykKwxE

    The Zaku II was decided on over the Hildolfr, probably because the Hildolfr is much more expensive to produce with no real performance benefits against Federation forces and no anti-air capabilities like the Zaku II, and no anti-personnel weapons.. but against other mechs it’s quite effective.

    “The assault rifles carried by Glasgows, Sutherlands, and Gloucesters crumple up battle tanks like soda cans, and they can be equipped with Bazookas, missile launchers, and sniper rifles among other things. Also, there’s a lot more of them than there are Zakus at the beginning evidently.”

    Their standard munitions may not be enough to bring down a Zaku with out a direct hit, but their larger weapons should be useful. The Zakus, too, have a wide variety of weapons, such as the cracker grenade, however.

    “Wasn’t there a year long gap between season one and two?”

    A more even tech advance would be better, since Zeon obviously stop dead in their tracks after 1 year. Which means they’re reach their height well before HBE. In this case, I’d allow the HBE to keep pace with Zeon.

  23. itcheyness May 13, 2015 at 5:24 pm -      #23

    Does Britannia have access to things that they only had for a short time? Like the Gawain which they developed but only had briefly, or the Shinkiro which was developed by someone else but ended up with them for a short time?

  24. Sauroposeidon May 14, 2015 at 8:40 pm -      #24

    Yes. Their technology advances along as it normally would, but shortened to the pace of one year, regardless of however the enemy may have influenced or not. As does Zeon’s. They have all of their characters as well.

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