Roxas Vs Guts

Guts Vs Roxas

Suggested by Nsl98

Guts (Berserk) will go up against Roxas, first time here (Kingdom Hearts)

Roxas encounters Guts in the Olympus Coliseum, at the arena.

Who will win?

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54 Comments on "Roxas Vs Guts"

  1. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 12:05 am -      #1

    This is what the arena looks like:
    www.supercheats.com/guides/files/guid/kingdom-hearts/oly.jpg

    ^Just for the record.

  2. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 12:27 am -      #2

    Roxas vs Twilight Thorn:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=xQq_4BWFpaY

    0:30-1:15
    -He easily thrashes a building sized Nobody
    -Survives an explosion
    -Plus he tanks a multi-story fall

    Vs Final Form Xion:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=a2S1gEGlNxE

    @ 6:25, another multi-story fall, which, in the next cutscene, he survives (0:08-0:12):
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=anqS-YA3v-g

    Vs Sora
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbiWJdJnpc

    7:20-8:08, Roxas trades multiple blows with Sora, and reveals his, er, levitation(?)
    8:20, overloads Sora’s defense
    8:48 tanks a point blank strike from Sora to the face without even flinching

  3. Commander Cross June 14, 2015 at 12:30 am -      #3

    @Nsl98

    For once, You managed to get 200% unique imagery for both sides in play and quadruple-checked on them for further measure.

    You get props for that to say the least,
    now keep up the good work and go do a few betters than that, okay?

    With that in mind, what incarnations for Roxas are we talking, Pre-KH 2 Roxas?

    How good is Roxas’ Reality-Warping?
    Guts had to go fight it out against Enemy Reality-Warpers from HELL or The Gnostic Abyss themselves, courtesy of the Godhand.
    (essentially the Grand Princes of Hell/The Gnostic Archons of Berserk!)

    Guts also fought Infernal Legions often 24/7, sometimes in HUGE numbers.

    Did I forget to mention that Post-Eclipse Guts has The Berserker Armor?

    I’d add more on what I’d recall but that’s on the top of my skull.

  4. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #4

    Does unique imagery really matter? And I don’t think I picked these ones, Rookie usually does a good job of finding cooler ones than I picked. I usually go with the first one I find on Google.

    And it’s current incarnation, as per FP rules.

  5. Friendlysociopath June 14, 2015 at 12:37 am -      #5

    Too tired after doing a cancer-walk for 11 hours- just pointing out that Roxas also is a boss in Final Mix; those abilities would carry over.

  6. Limbo Lowk June 14, 2015 at 12:40 am -      #6

    Might have either underestimated Roxas or overestimated Guts.

  7. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #7

    @Friendly
    IIRC, they were his limit breaks in 358/2 Days, which going by his boss fight, can be spammed.

    Also, I find this funny:
    s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/da/1a/2cda1a12ff8d8e11aabfbe48c524ca0d.jpg

    @Lowk
    Whaaaaat? I heard Guts was pretty tough…and Roxas hasn’t really shown the same speed as Sora. Every instance of him going up against Sora or Riku ended with him getting his butt whooped.

  8. Dragoonlord June 14, 2015 at 12:54 am -      #8

    There is no such thing as overestimating Guts which is who I will side with until I Know which version of Guts this is, and if Roxas has anything that could destroy Guts.

  9. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 12:57 am -      #9

    @Dragoon
    All characters are assumed to be current incarnation.

    (Are you new? If so, welcome to the ‘Pile. If not, welcome back :))

  10. Limbo Lowk June 14, 2015 at 1:00 am -      #10

    “There is no such thing as overestimating Guts.”

    Until he finally kills Griffith, I think there is.

  11. Numinous One June 14, 2015 at 1:12 am -      #11

    Pretty sure Guts has dodged lightning with his Berserker armour for what it’s worth.

  12. Dragoonlord June 14, 2015 at 1:16 am -      #12

    @NSL
    I joined a couple years ago, but left not soon after. I just recently came back as well so I am a complete noob at this stuff.

  13. Commander Cross June 14, 2015 at 1:19 am -      #13

    @Nsl98 at #04

    ‘Does Unique Imagery Really Matter?’

    To answer that question, yes it does.
    More Unique Images brings Recognition to Artists listed to have drawn it, more Recognition equals more Publicity to said Artists, more Publicity means more Promotion for more Artists, and More Artists keeps adding new images for various fighters, starting the cycle all over again.
    Plus they’re easier-on-the-eyes and can fit with the theme, no denying either count in good taste unless you want nothing but The Lightning Thief covers for Percy only to represent him with, which gets bogus if that’s all that’s shown really. 😛
    That’s name-dropping examples but I digress.

    One of these days I might get a fight for N64!-Link from The Legend of Zelda N64 games and have an image done by a friend of mine to represent him with, keep a sharp eye out for that if I remember to do that.

    ‘And I don’t pick those ones, Rookie usually does a good job of finding cooler ones than I picked.’

    Well kudos to the Rookie for finding such images, he has my gratitude and beyond and if I ever suggest another fight, he’s welcome to find more Unique Images than what I’d show provided they’re still Epic Win AND Fit the intended theme(s) in question.

    ‘I usually go with the first one I find on google.’

    Well that explains it, image-hunting isn’t your forte I see. -_-‘

    ‘And its current incarnation, as per FP rules,’

    Thanks for clearing that bit up at least.

    Now here’s hoping people remember that Sora is NOT an FTL Lunatic or otherwise, bring on The Wheel of Time AND Super Robot Wars in a Universe War together against Kingdom Hearts and get it over with, got it?

    @Dragoonlord at #08

    If Guts hits Roxas, it’d SUCK DRAGON EGGS to be Roxas unless he can withstand the firepower punishment Guts is prepared to unleash, I still remember Guts vs Nightmare on Death Battle and how Epic Win-worthy that fight is.*

    @Numinous One at #11

    You got the links and/or page numbers on you just in case?
    It’ll help a lot if shown here to make sure no one mis-recalled that.

    @Limbo Lowk at #10

    Meh, I’d recall some beings who’d definitely be able to Kill/Delete Post-Eclipse Griffth if it boils to that point, but I don’t wanna be branded as more of an Overkill-Happy Lunatic than I already am at the moment.
    It might take a while depending on whom I’d recall though.

    @Everyone else

    So how Super-Human is Roxas’ Combat Speeds and is there a disparity between his Mobility and his Reaction, Combat, Mental and Reflex Speeds?

    The disparity can be off-set by HAX or Gadgetry, and if you don’t got enough of either or they’re not good enough, you got problems if the opposition has them in Spades.

    Does Roxas’s Keyblades have any Infernal-type influences or at least some type of Dark Lord Influences in general?
    Because Guts tends to fight Dark Lords of the Infernal Kind/Infernal Lords for a living by Out-thinking, Out-planning or Outlasting them most of the time if I recall right.

    1.) (One of the few fights I’d openly praise along with Link vs Cloud(no matter the outcome), Boba Fett vs Samus(both versions) Toph vs Gaara and Shang Tsung vs (Regular!-)Akuma really.)

  14. wingedlion June 14, 2015 at 1:38 am -      #14

    “Every instance of him going up against Sora or Riku ended with him getting his butt whooped.”

    Dude, what are you talking about? Roxas nearly beat the both of them.

  15. wingedlion June 14, 2015 at 1:43 am -      #15

    “Dude, what are you talking about? Roxas nearly beat the both of them.”

    Odd. Edit box is acting weird.
    To clarify, Sora had to outsmart Roxas to beat him, and Riku had to use the power of darkness. Beforehand Roxas had the advantage. So i’m not sure how you got him getting his but whooped from those encounters.

  16. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 1:48 am -      #16

    @Winged
    Dude, what are you talking about? Roxas nearly beat the both of them.

    When he fought Riku, that fight ended with Riku going Ansem on him and nearly strangling him. The aftermath had Roxas knocked out, memory wiped and stripped of his magic. I count that as a loss.

    His fight with Sora still had him losing despite Sora being disarmed and at half power at that.

    So the Sora and Riku Roxas “nearly” beat weren’t even as powerful as they are now. He fought Post CoM Riku who hadn’t yet mastered the Darkness, and he fought a half powered Sora…which ended with Sora slicing him upside the head and him just walking away in defeat.

    Not trying to deny that he gave them good fights, but at those points in the timeline, Sora and Riku weren’t as powerful as they are now.

  17. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 2:04 am -      #17

    @CC
    So how Super-Human is Roxas’ Combat Speeds and is there a disparity between his Mobility and his Reaction, Combat, Mental and Reflex Speeds?

    He can fly and channel short bursts of speed to do an air dash.

    This player sucks, but it is possible in this boss fight to reflect and dodge the sniper bolts:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=HvOM5MnBu7w

    Roxas also dodges Thunder magic pretty easily. It’s pretty fast 3:55:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnD_GweIPdQ

  18. wingedlion June 14, 2015 at 2:15 am -      #18

    “When he fought Riku, that fight ended with Riku going Ansem on him and nearly strangling him. The aftermath had Roxas knocked out, memory wiped and stripped of his magic. I count that as a loss.”

    I never said it wasn’t a loss. I said he nearly beat them both, which he did. Riku was losing before he turned into Ansem, so to say Roxas got his ass whupped doesn’t make any sense. You can definitely scale Sora’s speed to his own.

    “His fight with Sora still had him losing despite Sora being disarmed and at half power at that.”

    Yeah, no. Sora only won because he caught Roxas off gaurd before hand by summoning the keyblade back to him. Roxas actually had the advantage. I don’t see how that makes Sora in anyway above Roxas when he beat him through trickery.

    “He fought Post CoM Riku who hadn’t yet mastered the Darkness”

    Where are you getting this? That’s not even stated.

    “he fought a half powered Sora…which ended with Sora slicing him upside the head and him just walking away in defeat.”

    Once again, through trickery.
    I don’t see how beating someone through trickery makes them more powerful than their opponent. Also, at best you might be able to say that his feats near the end of the game couldn’t be scaled to Roxas. But considering many of Sora’s good speed feats come before that part, it makes no sense to not apply that to Roxas, especially since:
    1. Roxas is Sora’s nobody.
    2. He actually held the advantage in that fight.

  19. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 2:29 am -      #19

    @Winged
    Where are you getting this? That’s not even stated

    Because Roxas and Riku’s fight happens on Day 358 which is after CoM, ergo Post CoM. I say that Riku hadn’t mastered the darkness yet, otherwise he would’ve gone Ansem right at the start.

    so to say Roxas got his ass whupped

    When someone says butt whooped, it doesn’t always mean whooped badly, does it? If so, I applogize, I just meant he got beat in the end.

    Once again, through trickery.

    Ok

    1. Roxas is Sora’s nobody.

    Right, and DiZ states that Roxas only had half his power.

    2. He actually held the advantage in that fight.

    And wasn’t Sora still only at half power? IIRC, Sora didn’t have the whole merger scene with Roxas until after they beat up Xemnas’ Mark 1 Keyblade Armor.

  20. wingedlion June 14, 2015 at 2:39 am -      #20

    @Nsi98
    “I say that Riku hadn’t mastered the darkness yet, otherwise he would’ve gone Ansem right at the start.”

    That’s not why he didn’t transform.
    Riku could have transformed anytime he wanted. He didn’t because he was afraid that he wouldn’t turn back, and tried to subdue Roxas without it. When he realized that wasn’t happening, he had no choice but to completely use it. That’s why he only used it later on in the fight.

    “When someone says butt whooped, it doesn’t always mean whooped badly, does it? If so, I applogize, I just meant he got beat in the end.”

    I see. My bad then.

    “Right, and DiZ states that Roxas only had half his power.”

    “And wasn’t Sora still only at half power? IIRC, Sora didn’t have the whole merger scene with Roxas until after they beat up Xemnas’ Mark 1 Keyblade Armor.”

    Right. Thing is though, as i said before, most of Sora’s speed feats are actually before the final events of the game (where he’s fully merged with Roxas). So it makes sense for them to be applied to Roxas.

    Also, Sora actually merges with roxas after the fight with him. That’s why you get final form.

  21. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 2:46 am -      #21

    @Winged
    That’s not why he didn’t transform.
    Riku could have transformed anytime he wanted. He didn’t because he was afraid that he wouldn’t turn back, and tried to subdue Roxas without it. When he realized that wasn’t happening, he had no choice but to completely use it. That’s why he only used it later on in the fight


    I see. But if Riku had fought Roxas as he is now, would things have been different? I personally think Riku would win now, what with his new 3D stuff.

    Right. Thing is though, as i said before, most of Sora’s speed feats are actually before the final events of the game (where he’s fully merged with Roxas). So it makes sense for them to be applied to Roxas.

    Gotcha. So, the Sephy one, multiple bullet ones, and some others? Thx

    That’s why you get final form.

    That explains the official art, then.

  22. wingedlion June 14, 2015 at 2:56 am -      #22

    @Nsi98
    “I see. But if Riku had fought Roxas as he is now, would things have been different? I personally think Riku would win now, what with his new 3D stuff.”

    Riku as of now is Sora’s (full-power) equal. So yes, he would win.

    Gotcha. So, the Sephy one, multiple bullet ones, and some others? Thx

    No problem.

    “That explains the official art, then.”

    Funnily enough, Final Form gains experience by killing nobodies…

  23. Friendlysociopath June 14, 2015 at 9:44 am -      #23

    A shame we don’t have a good gauge for how much damage Roxas’ beams of light do; he can apparently spam the crap out of them.

    I don’t think Guts can get past that barrier he can raise either. Sora would appear to be as strong, if not much stronger than, Guts and he couldn’t get through it.

  24. pimpmage June 14, 2015 at 11:11 am -      #24

    Is Berserk any good? The ending scene was spoiled for me and looked really sad and hopeless. Not sure if I would ever read it if it ends on such a low note.

  25. Rookie June 14, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #25

    @pimpmage

    “Is Berserk any good?”

    Perhaps the best fantasy manga. Perfect art, fighting scenes and story.
    But only read manga. While both animes (new and old series) are decent, a lot of manga stuff and story (Wyald arc for example) was left out of them and anime cover only like 10% of Berserk total story. Both anime stopped before Berserk story even truly begin honestly.

  26. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm -      #26

    Guts dodges lightning:
    i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/Berserk/Berserk_v31c274p14.png

    I don’t really know the context of who the old guy is, or even if its real lightning though…

    Funnily enough, Final Form gains experience by killing nobodies…

    I remember farming for XP in the World that Never Was. Good times.

  27. Dragoonlord June 14, 2015 at 1:42 pm -      #27

    @nsl
    The old guy is Ganishka whos is another aspotle of God’s Hand. Apostles are exactly what Griffith became. A person who sacrifices their friends, and loved ones in order to obtain greater power along with a demonic form they can take at any time. His demonic form is a cloud that can hurl lightning bolts powerful enough to turn other Aspotles into ash.

  28. Rookie June 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm -      #28

    @Nsl98

    ” or even if its real lightning though…”

    Real one. He fried apostes with that thing and all other characters called this real lighting.

    “who the old guy is”

    Mist guy is Ganishka, one of the two main villains of Berserk. He is fighting against Griffith for control over the world. He is actually just a simple apostle demon, but because of how evil he was his transformation into apostle gave him power far beyong any normal apostle.
    Here is his second form:

  29. Envoy June 14, 2015 at 3:14 pm -      #29

    “That’s not why he didn’t transform.
    Riku could have transformed anytime he wanted. He didn’t because he was afraid that he wouldn’t turn back, and tried to subdue Roxas without it. When he realized that wasn’t happening, he had no choice but to completely use it. That’s why he only used it later on in the fight.”
    +
    There’s a scene in Days where Mickey mistakes Riku for Ansem, at that point the transformation was probably like the D form from Re:Chain. The transformation he used against Roxas was different, he needed to permanently transform to use the Guardian.
    =
    “Also, Sora actually merges with roxas after the fight with him. That’s why you get final form.”
    +
    The whole point of the prologue was put the two together, they should have already been merged but, Sora didn’t get everything though, if 3D and the scene you’re referring to are any example.
    =
    Roxas, just like Sora(and Riku), can do some ranged slash attacks.
    youtu.be/PfEvGkpndbk?t=7m10s

  30. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 8:04 pm -      #30

    Ah, thanks Rookie and Dragoon.

    So Guts is a lightning timer?

    Pretty sure Roxas is close. Wasn’t it brought up in another thread that KH lightning shares properties with real lightning? Like coming from clouds?

  31. Belisaurius June 14, 2015 at 8:41 pm -      #31

    Feats for Gutts
    youtu.be/ASA2W2CsTwE?t=1m40s
    Just be advised, this is Berserk It starts at rape and murder and just gets darker.

  32. Kuja9001 June 14, 2015 at 8:59 pm -      #32

    Guts is nowhere near being a lightning timer.

  33. The hero of Anime June 14, 2015 at 9:18 pm -      #33

    @Everyone

    Isnt Roxas & Xion the same person as Sora?
    —-
    Cuz in FM is was stated that Roxas not only was Sora’s Nobody, but is also Sora himself. ( The same can be sayid to Xion, cuz she is indeed Sora’s second Nobody, she wasnt a puppet as the Org 13 stated cuz it was shown in KH DDD that the Org 13 Leader Xemnas was Lying about everything.
    —-
    But at the same time:
    Roxas = Sora’s Body = Born by Sora Turning into a Hearthless.

    Xion = Sora’s Mind / Memories = Born by the merge of Sora’s & Kairi’s Memories.

    Sora = The Soul / Heart
    ——-
    But overall:
    As Roxas & Xion bieng Sora’s Nobodies and the same person, disnt that means that they both have all of Sora’s Stats and Powers? Cuz Namura ( Creator of KH ) really stated it, so is true.

  34. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 9:41 pm -      #34

    @Kuja
    Guts is nowhere near being a lightning timer.

    But he dodged lightning in that scan…

  35. Belisaurius June 14, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #35

    How f*cked up is KH if we spend most of the thread arguing about who is actually who rather than how the battle resolves?

    Also, if Xion has both girl and boy parts, does that make her a hermaphrodite?

    Back to the actual battle, it’s likely that Gutts can simply tank lightning spells as he’s survived lightning strikes before. He was soaked in sea water at the time and was still awake enough to use his sword as a lightning rod to defend against a second (actually third but he had help with the first) lightning bolt. We can assume that Roxas’s lightning spell isn’t going to cut it.

  36. Friendlysociopath June 14, 2015 at 10:04 pm -      #36

    We can assume that Roxas’s lightning spell isn’t going to cut it.

    Roxas isn’t big on magic in general; unless it’s his beams of light.

  37. The hero of Anime June 14, 2015 at 10:41 pm -      #37

    @Belisaurius

    Lol, xion is stated by the games and by Namura to be a Female / Girl.
    ——

    On debate:

    Roxas have the same stats as Sora, for bieng the same person.

    I say he wins.

  38. Aelfinn June 14, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #38

    “But he dodged lightning in that scan…”

    As much as I like the idea of Guts being a lightning-timer, maybe he just jumped and the guy missed? I mean, it’s kinda inconsistent with him having trouble with a Mach-speed Apostle (and all the other non-lightning-fast Apostles).

  39. Friendlysociopath June 14, 2015 at 11:00 pm -      #39

    I mean, it’s kinda inconsistent with him having trouble with a Mach-speed Apostle

    That’s pretty much my thinking, in order to have reflexes for dodging lightning- you need a damn good reason to have trouble dealing with slower things.
    For example, Cloud had uber-cancer for most of Advent Children; once that was cured he was fine.

    How durable is Guts btw? I distinctly recall he gets injured through his Berserker Armor fairly easily- it just patches him up.
    Anyone know offhand how long he can keep that up?

  40. Nsl98 June 14, 2015 at 11:49 pm -      #40

    I mean, it’s kinda inconsistent with him having trouble with a Mach-speed Apostle (and all the other non-lightning-fast Apostles).

    I guess aim dodging is a better possibility.

    Are there other instances of Guts dodging stuff that fast? Or was that a one time thing? Roxas (and other KH characters) can consistently dodge Thunder Spells.

  41. Belisaurius June 15, 2015 at 12:37 am -      #41

    It’s hard to say how tough Guts is simply because there are so very few things that can put him down. Let me think for a minute.
    Smashed through a brick wall? Used to knock him out, delibrately tries to get smashed through these days.
    Lightning bolt? About as effective as a taser, recovered within a minute.
    Breath of a demonic dragon? Rushed right through it, minor third degree burns?
    Falling from several stories up? Managed to direct his fall so he crashes through the rigging of a ship and continues fighting.
    One thousand stone shattering punches? Shrugged it off and counterattacked as giver of said punches tried to roast him with fire breath.
    Supersonic insect girl? Knocked him down. Got back up.
    Being impaled by said insect girl? Done on purpose. Used it to force a grapple.
    The heart of the seagod did nearly kill him with pressure alone but Gutts still managed to recover.

    There was this one incident where Gutts was fighting the knights of the holy chain and was moving too fast to see properly, never mind hit. Ofcourse, he was also so weak he couldn’t lift dragon slayer.

  42. The hero of Anime June 15, 2015 at 12:42 am -      #42

    I found some information about Guts in the VS Battle Wiki:

    Tier: 9-A to 8-A

    Name: Guts “the Black Swordsman”

    Origin:Berserk

    Gender: Male

    Classification: Human

    Age: 24

    Destructive Capacity: Small Building Level+, Multi City-Block Level with spells

    Range: Multiple yards with cannon arm

    Speed: Faster than Eye with Hypersonic reactions, Hypersonic+ with Berserker Armor

    Durability: Small Building level+, Multi City-Block Level against heat while using Dragonslayer

    Lifting Strength: Class 5

    Striking Power: Class MJ+

    Stamina: Extremely high, Can fight after losing multiple limbs.

    Intelligence: Great leader and can adapt quickly.

    Powers and Abilities: Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, durability, swordmanship/enhanced physical stats and pain tolerance via berserker armor.

    Weaknesses: Uses brute force a lot and can lose his cool easily/lose his sanity and become completely bloodlusted while using berserker armor
    ——-

    Guts is Impresive, but disnt he look like his outclassed here by Roxas?

    Cuz of Roxas bieng Sora who have FTL Speed and etc.

  43. Dragoonlord June 15, 2015 at 1:49 am -      #43

    @Hero
    We’ve already proved that speed means nothing to Guts as he has taken care of a lot of people faster than him, and does know how to deal with them.

    Guts’s durability is also extremely high with the berserker armor, but it doesn’t heal him it only keep him alive, and holds him together until he literally loses the last drop of his blood.

  44. Nsl98 June 15, 2015 at 7:47 am -      #44

    @Hero
    Cuz of Roxas bieng Sora who have FTL Speed and etc.

    No.

    Roxas can fight while in fire. It happens multiple times in QTE’s:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgINmrQCHt8

  45. Belisaurius June 15, 2015 at 8:32 am -      #45

    Does Roxas have anything that can put Gutts down?
    Can Roxas stand up to Gutts’s attacks?
    If Roxas can’t knock Gutts out then it’s only a matter of time before Gutts gets a hit in. There’s also the matter of DragonSlayer and it’s tendency to pierce supernatural defenses.

  46. Nsl98 June 15, 2015 at 8:57 am -      #46

    @Belisarius
    Can Roxas stand up to Gutts’s attacks?

    He tanks multi-story falls with ease and shrugged off a strike from Sora to the face. Sora’s the guy that does:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=ECLFNclQPwQ
    And:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdc3ST9stYg

    Does Roxas have anything that can put Gutts down?

    Limit Break spam and physical strength?

    There’s also the matter of DragonSlayer and it’s tendency to pierce supernatural defenses.

    Roxas has Auto-Life to fall back on if he gets pushed to a critical injury.

  47. Friendlysociopath June 15, 2015 at 11:44 am -      #47

    @Hero
    Not every site looks at every hero the same way; remember that some sites have Kratos as FTL. Better to stick with actual feats.

    Color me as just slightly doubtful that he’s Hypersonic with the armor too. And so far as I’m aware, Guts doesn’t have spells so I don’t know where that came from.

    There’s also the matter of DragonSlayer and it’s tendency to pierce supernatural defenses.

    Has it ever pierced a barrier before?

  48. Limbo Lowk June 15, 2015 at 1:05 pm -      #48

    “We’ve already proved that speed means nothing to Guts as he has taken care of a lot of people faster than him”

    Not really. He took on one supersonic creature and that was more akin to a fighter jet than an actual speedster. It was limited to charging rather then a legitimate speed blitz.

  49. Belisaurius June 15, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #49

    There was also that guy with the chakrams.

  50. Friendlysociopath June 15, 2015 at 6:20 pm -      #50

    There was also that guy with the chakrams.

    Are you referring to Axel from Kingdom Hearts or a Berserk person?

  51. Limbo Lowk June 15, 2015 at 7:03 pm -      #51

    Might be refering to the berserk guy with the sword whips

  52. Nsl98 June 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm -      #52

    Did Guts get speed feats during that fight?

  53. Friendlysociopath June 15, 2015 at 10:33 pm -      #53


    Since I don’t think it was posted, here’s the first time we actually saw Roxas fight.
    (KH2FM version but still, scene didn’t change much- did everybody notice Kairi is on the tv btw?)

  54. Belisaurius June 15, 2015 at 10:34 pm -      #54

    Linearly, Gutts doesn’t seem that much faster than a top level human. However, he does have incredible reflexes capable of deflecting crossbow bolts. Since these crossbows have metal arms we can assume they are high end arbalests capable of shooting bolts at about 200 miles per hour. This implies that Gutts can defend against objects moving at 200 miles per hour.

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