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Wonder how Kurama will like GR’s Penance Stare.
Isn’t this pretty much Penance Stare for the auto-win?
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And I forget, is it Ghost Rider who can only be hurt be heavenly weapons or just Spawn?
“Isn’t this pretty much Penance Stare for the auto-win?”
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Depends on how he deals with beings with two souls in one body. Venom was immune, and he had two souls or the like, Deadpool just got a highlight reel of what makes him awesome, and he had two souls. So, two souls might keep it from working?
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“And I forget, is it Ghost Rider who can only be hurt be heavenly weapons or just Spawn?”
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I think that’s just Spawn, I’ve seen GR hurt by nonholy weapons.
“I think that’s just Spawn, I’ve seen GR hurt by nonholy weapons.”
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I think holy weapons is a requirement when you want to kill the ghost rider. He can be hurt by other stuff but holy is one of the things you may need to finish him.
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“Depends on how he deals with beings with two souls in one body. Venom was immune, and he had two souls or the like”
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Actually I think the symbiote just has some kind of resistance to soul fuckery. There have been at least two other occasions where the kind of power has either failed or Venom has figured out how too get around it.
Found Deadpool’s.
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“Actually I think the symbiote just has some kind of resistance to soul fuckery. There have been at least two other occasions where the kind of power has either failed or Venom has figured out how too get around it.”
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Just a theory, Venom is two beings in one body, DP had a similar situation going on with Madcap, and Naruto does as well.
Found Deadpool’s.
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That… didn’t really look like it had no effect; unless lying on your ass and screaming while fire comes out of your eyes indicates no effect.
“That… didn’t really look like it had no effect; unless lying on your ass and screaming while fire comes out of your eyes indicates no effect.”
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Didn’t say it had no effect, just said it showed him his highlight reel.
I’m just saying it worked differently than it should’ve, you see GR got Johnny’fied while almost no one does that while being Penance Stared. The only other person I know of, that did something similar(where it affected GR as well as the Penance Staree), was Venom. Although he just had him reeling in pain, while DP Johnny’fied him.
@Friendlysociopath
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“Isn’t this pretty much Penance Stare for the auto-win?”
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No. Ghost Rider often loses to street level characters.
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Daredevil, Kingpin, Gambit, Wolverine, Storm and so on…They all were able to resist Penance Stare and nearly beat Ghost Rider. You just must force yoursel to not regret your actions for several moments and you are golden against Penance Stare.
Dunno if Naruto can do it.
Ghost Rider fights World War Hulk to a stand still.
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Ghost Rider is the Wrath of God, the Fire that rains down from Heaven.
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Defeats (and traumatizes) Doctor Strange.
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And yes only an angelic weapon can hurt him otherwise he won’t even feel the pain.
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Damn moderation!.
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A younger less experienced GR rips Mephisto’s heart out and threatens all of hell..
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Yeah if he can pull off the penance stare, I don’t see it working. Besides the 2 soul thing, Naruto has never done anything wrong in his life.
And finally…
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…He takes a full beating from Thor’s hammer…
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Then proceeds to K.O. Him!, before taking on an entire team of Avengers and X-Men.
Ten souls actually, his own, plus all 9 tailed beasts technically (or fragments at least for 8 of them).
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We’re about to get some more feats for him next week but he recently pulled a Goku and flash stepped or teleported (hard to tell) someone out of the line of fire.
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We’ll probably see something next week when he actually goes after onion head.
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As for Ghost Rider it depends on if Johnny puts Zarathos in the drivers seat or not. It was revealed during his run with Red Hulk and the Thunderbolts that he can do so swapping seats at will
nothing uber impressive or anything in that series for GR but the swapping seats thing is a major issue as Zarathos is probably more than Naruto can handle….unless sealing works
…Isn’t “gets stronger in the presence of evil” a GR thing?
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Just saying… I seem to recall that he’s hit in some pretty big leagues, but… Against beings who were evil… Naruto isn’t. Like at all. Hell, he even overcame his dark side.
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Without evil to be in the presence of… Would he even be able to hurt Naruto outside of PS Hax?
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And as far a holy weapons needed to kill him goes, would they need to be of any particular religion, or would anything “holy” do?
Well, he’s thrown down with Hulk (during WWH) and Thor, and they aren’t evil.
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And Hellfire affects the soul…
“And Hellfire affects the soul…”
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That at least isn’t all that relevant, what with the nature of Naruto’s powers in the first place and all.
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The stronger against evil thing is more when Mr. Blaze is in the drivers seat, when he puts Zarathos in the drivers seat he goes full power, and somewhere Dr. Strange trembles in fear.
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Penance stare is really the only thing that might fail, general hellfire burns souls but due to the nature of Narutoverse chakra we come to an interesting collision as it might just hit the charka barrier and start burning through it but have to burn through it to get to Naruto’s core soul.
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Sealing might be Naruto’s best shot here, he’s not destroying Zarathos.
Would penetance stare even work on Naruto? He’s pretty much the textbook definition of pure of heart.
Actually, since Ghost rider exists to avenge the innocent and Naruto’s entire life has been mostly virtuous it’s likely that GR’s powers would stall.
“Would penetance stare even work on Naruto? He’s pretty much the textbook definition of pure of heart.”
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It worked on Thor, who Mephisto claims has one of the purest souls in the universe.
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“Without evil to be in the presence of… Would he even be able to hurt Naruto outside of PS Hax?”
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…Why not?
No where is it stated Zarathos’ powers only work against Evil people.
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“And as far a holy weapons needed to kill him goes, would they need to be of any particular religion, or would anything “holy” do?”
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Through EC, we could make it anything that harms “evil”, or anything that’s angelic in any way.
If Naruto doesn’t have anything of the sort, FP rules state he should be given something which allows him to finish the job.
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“Naruto has never done anything wrong in his life.”
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The Penance Stare doesn’t make you feel all the wrong things you’ve done in your life. I have no idea where people are getting that idea from.
It makes you feel all the pain you’ve ever inflicted on others.
Doesn’t matter what your intentions were while doing it.
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“No. Ghost Rider often loses to street level characters.”
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That’s more of a Johnny Blaze trying to keep Zarathos held back thing.
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Zarathos usually takes over whenever something like a demon or monster gets involved, and i think Narutos Fox is EC enough.
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“DP had a similar situation going on with Madcap, and Naruto does as well.”
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Well… considering DP was still incapacitated for a bit by it, there’s no reason the same thing wouldn’t happen to Naruto too.
Lets not forget DP is a sadistic motherfucker that probably enjoyed feeling all the pain he ever inflicted. He also has mad regen.
Actually, since Ghost rider exists to avenge the innocent and Naruto’s entire life has been mostly virtuous it’s likely that GR’s powers would stall.
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Why would they stall for Naruto when they didn’t stall for Hulk when he fought him?
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Penance Stare also doesn’t differentiate between “good” and “evil”, it lets you feel all the pain you’ve dealt on others.
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“Penance Stare also doesn’t differentiate between “good” and “evil”, it lets you feel all the pain you’ve dealt on others.”
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Considering that Naruto remembers the pain of his clones dying again and again, I don’t think it’s going to be an issue.
Naruto has never done anything wrong in his life.
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Yeaaaaaah no, like very first or second episode he:
Steals the awesome scroll of forbidden techniques.
Beats up Sasuke and impersonates him just to get close to Sakura.
and throws graffiti all over the statues of the Hokage.
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He might be a “good guy” but he’s done plenty of things that were “wrong”.
Considering that Naruto remembers the pain of his clones dying again and again, I don’t think it’s going to be an issue.
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Remembering pain and having everything you’ve ever inflicted on people thrown back at you is completely different.
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Kind of a small example, but I can remember all the bones I’ve broken. If however, i got hit with a Penance Stare, I’d feel all the pain I’ve ever did to others, all at once.
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Remembering past injuries on yourself has nothing to do with it.
“Well… considering DP was still incapacitated for a bit by it, there’s no reason the same thing wouldn’t happen to Naruto too.”
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Right, but then GR will probably get Johnny’fied. Naruto, DP, and Venom all have more than one soul, Naruto has the Tailed Beasts, DP had Madcap, and Venom has his human host. DP and Venom are the only people(that I know of)where his Penance Stare didn’t only affect the person going through the PS, but we see it also affected GR. When Venom got PS’d GR ended up in pain and agony, when DP got PS’d he reverted back to Johnny, even in middle scan, you see GR gets the same eye flame things DP gets before reverting back to Johnny.
Right, but then GR will probably get Johnny’fied
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The only one who backfired it on GR like that was Deadpool- who is basically an exception to any rule you’d care to throw at him.
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Forgoing Penance Stare for the moment, how well will Hellfire work?
Yeaaaaaah no, like very first or second episode he:
“Steals the awesome scroll of forbidden techniques.
Beats up Sasuke and impersonates him just to get close to Sakura.
and throws graffiti all over the statues of the Hokage.
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He might be a “good guy” but he’s done plenty of things that were “wrong”.”
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LMAO. Yes how could I forget about the pranks he pulled for attention because everybody in the village hated him for being different. That guy is Hitler.
Yes how could I forget about the pranks he pulled for attention because everybody in the village hated him for being different.
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Apparently very easily since you said he’s never done anything wrong in his life.
Moot point since Penance Stare is about pain, not necessarily ‘wrong’.
“The only one who backfired it on GR like that was Deadpool- who is basically an exception to any rule you’d care to throw at him.”
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As a person who has a like/hate relationship with this character, I can testify.
Taskmaster can also testify.
Carnage can testify.
Deadpools in other realities can testify.
Thanos can testify-ish for stealing Death from him.
Everyone can testify.
Well, except Squirrel Girl.
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“The Penance Stare doesn’t make you feel all the wrong things you’ve done in your life. I have no idea where people are getting that idea from.
It makes you feel all the pain you’ve ever inflicted on others.
Doesn’t matter what your intentions were while doing it.”
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-Ish
Only if you feel regret over the pain you have done
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“Considering that Naruto remembers the pain of his clones dying again and again, I don’t think it’s going to be an issue.”
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Simultaneously feeling ALL the pain you’ve ever dealt in your life, and feeling the pain of a few hundred(?) clones dying isn’t the same thing.
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Unless you have evidence that Naruto can tank the pain of potential planet busting damage.
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“When Venom got PS’d GR ended up in pain and agony, when DP got PS’d he reverted back to Johnny, even in middle scan, you see GR gets the same eye flame things DP gets before reverting back to Johnny.”
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But he didn’t turn back into Johnny during his Venom fight. So there’s no guarantee that’ll happen here. You can’t point it out as a fact when it’s still based on an assumption.
It happened once, against a character that’s known to be full of PiS.
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Also, wasn’t it still Johnny that was in control for those fights?
And not the unleashed power of Zarathos?
You’d think they’d have different limits.