UNSC Vs Gamilas Empire

UNSC Vs Gamilas Empire

Suggested by Sierra117

UNSC (Halo) will go up against Gamilas Empire (Space Battleship Yamato 2199) first time here.

Location: Solar System.

UNSC (Post Human-Covenant War).

Gamilas Empire (Pre Gamilas-Human War).

Gamilas Empire invade Solar System and UNSC will defend it Both sides will use everything they have.

Who side wins?

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63 Comments on "UNSC Vs Gamilas Empire"

  1. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #1

    Some feats for Empire:

  2. Neon Lord April 8, 2015 at 2:00 am -      #2

    So much overkill in that video. A single one of those giant shells dropped from orbit would’ve wrecked the planet alone.

  3. Friendlysociopath April 8, 2015 at 8:29 am -      #3

    The comments for that video are great- “Looks like that planet needed some freedom”.

    But dayum, I don’t think the UNSC can deal with that level of casual firepower; they had trouble enough with the Covenant.

  4. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 9:00 am -      #4

    @Neon Lord

    “So much overkill in that video. A single one of those giant shells dropped from orbit would’ve wrecked the planet alone.”

    Imperial guard did this on purpose. The needed a show to stop rebellion on other planets.

    @Friendlysociopath

    “But dayum, I don’t think the UNSC can deal with that level of casual firepower; they had trouble enough with the Covenant.”

    Empire have planet busting weapon (it destroyed gas giant) and they have tens of thousands ships, yet their empire was beaten by a single ship.
    But empire also have this on their worse and most distant base

  5. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 9:04 am -      #5

  6. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 9:47 am -      #6

    weell. This was a stomp.

  7. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 9:49 am -      #7

    @Klondike Bar

    “weell. This was a stomp.”

    Why?

  8. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 9:55 am -      #8

    @ Rookie (Why?)

    Empire have planet busting weapon (it destroyed gas giant) and they have tens of thousands ships

    Each ship can utterly ruin a planet in a few minutes since these are already inside the solar system well. Boom. Everything is dead.

    Edit-I meant each squadron or battle group.

  9. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 10:01 am -      #9

    Actualy if the master chief has the Splazer Unsc will win!/sarcasm.

  10. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 10:18 am -      #10

    @Klondike Bar

    “Each ship can utterly ruin a planet in a few minutes since these are already inside the solar system well. Boom. Everything is dead.

    Edit-I meant each squadron or battle group.”

    UNSC also have ships.

  11. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 11:11 am -      #11

    not anywhere near that many. And each unsc ship would be taken out near instantly.

  12. Ordo11 April 8, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #12

    Unsc ships are made of paper mâché at best and at worst, shit.

  13. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 12:30 pm -      #13

    you give them to much credit. More like wet tissues.

  14. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 12:33 pm -      #14

    Well Gamilas Empire ships also not great:

  15. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 12:37 pm -      #15

    mk but there are bloody millions at least! We all know what happens in Halo when the Unsc fights planet glassing foes who outnumber you. they are forced to fall back or use master chief. These guys will just need to glass the planet.

  16. Rookie April 8, 2015 at 12:42 pm -      #16

    How much ships does UNSC have?

  17. Friendlysociopath April 8, 2015 at 12:48 pm -      #17

    How much ships does UNSC have?

    Anyone have access to Palace Hotel? Supposedly it lists the UNSC ships at hundreds of millions to billions.
    Says page 351 in the wiki, I’m trying to find a pdf

  18. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #18

    I myself am unsure of the exact number. But they have around several hundred thousand ships before the war with the covenant iirc. I also do not remember when the mac guns were adopted.

  19. Friendlysociopath April 8, 2015 at 1:02 pm -      #19

    Whoops, my bad; I think the number was in reference to military personnel.
    Here’s the quote:

    “No we‘re not.”
    Palmer‘s brow furrowed.
    “We are not just gonna leave them lying back there in this goddamn sewer!”
    Cortana spoke to the entire group over their helmet-integrated comm units.
    “They will be left behind just as the other twenty-three billion that preceded them were left behind. Because they could not be saved, and carrying them with us will only make us vulnerable.”


    Assuming that to be true, they had 23 billion soldiers already lost at that point in time. Halo- Evolution takes place during Halo 2 AFAIK. Doesn’t help with ship numbers unfortunately.

  20. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 1:07 pm -      #20

    How many ships were usualy around a planet at a time?

  21. Jolttra April 8, 2015 at 2:18 pm -      #21

    @Klondike: Reach had 200 before it was invaded. Earth had 100 plus 150 satellites as of Halo 2. Numbers might have been increased in the post war.

  22. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 2:25 pm -      #22

    Oh right this is post war unsc I thought it was prewar. they have about how many planets postwar?

  23. Jolttra April 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm -      #23

    Never stated. It is known that within UNSC territory their are 800 planets capable of supporting life. But not all of them.have been terraphormed fully or at all and of the ones that are, many lack a large military presence. We do know the UNSC lost about 80 inhabited planets to glassing.

  24. Zeejay April 8, 2015 at 5:23 pm -      #24

    If the Gamilas use the fleet they had at Balun this won’t even be a fight.

  25. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #25

    So if we go high end and give them each a size two hundred garrison (witch I at least believe to be a gross overestimation) and say they are all colonized would give us only 160,000 ships. I am not sure of the average fleet size or how many they have but so far it looks like the unsc will be swarmed.

  26. Jolttra April 8, 2015 at 7:32 pm -      #26

    As far as is known they have about 16 fleets not tied down to any particular planet with an average of 75 ships a pop.

  27. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 8:03 pm -      #27

    So they have quite an underwhelming force against this empire. Rip in peace creator of the wiping boy.

  28. Jolttra April 8, 2015 at 9:27 pm -      #28

    Yeah, UNSC and Halo in general is far weaker then most people think. They severely lack in numbers and tech compared to most other sci-fi series. There are only a handful weaker.

  29. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 9:40 pm -      #29

    I know right. Apparently though the flood can eventually start reality warping and corrupting everything in slip space. Compared to basically modern day battleships that can fly in outer space.

  30. Jolttra April 8, 2015 at 9:47 pm -      #30

    I never got thatvteality warping flood thing. And despite that they still died off from the Halo array. Seems,like that shouldn’t happen.

  31. Klondike Bar April 8, 2015 at 10:14 pm -      #31

    I know. Oh well this was really a stomp. I am going to bed now.

  32. erickyboo April 9, 2015 at 12:57 am -      #32

    www.halopedia.org/images/b/b1/HE16_Infinity_Fleet.jpg

    www.halopedia.org/images/c/cc/HE15_Fleet_Revealed.jpg

    Battle of Aktis IV, infinity and her complement hold off an entire covenant fleet.

    www.halopedia.org/images/3/33/FUD-Infinity-Fleet.jpg
    www.halopedia.org/images/e/e7/H4-AutumnHeavyCruisers-Fleet.jpg

    Autumn-Class heavy cruisers, post war ship.

    www.halopedia.org/File:Vindication_-_Spartan_Ops.png
    vindication class battleships
    www.halopedia.org/File:Unidentified_UNSC_CS_DP2.jpg
    Poseidon class carrier
    www.halopedia.org/File:Spartan_ops_frigates.png
    Strident class heavy frigates

  33. Jolttra April 9, 2015 at 4:25 am -      #33

    @Erickyboo: Ok. What good is that? Most of those classes have nothing to show their strength. And even the Infinity’s few feats pale in comparison to what we saw for the Gamilas ships. Those explosions were far bigger then either Covenant or UNNC weaponscould produce. Also, MACs remain the UNSc’s best ship to ship weapons, but they are less effective against smaller ships. The Gamilas use only small ships. Despite the insane firepower Yato series ships,are only a few hundred meters long. Biggest I found was 700 meters and they average between 200 and 400 meters. So it’s a far larger fleet with vastly superior weapons and smaller more nimble ships.

  34. erickyboo April 9, 2015 at 10:56 pm -      #34

    www.halopedia.org/images/7/72/Glassed_Reach.png

    So, would UNSC missile spam be useful here?
    And maybe… shall I say it? Nova Bomb?

    I know little about the yields of Yamato stuff though, those giant shells, would they be stopped by one of Earth’s 300~ orbital defense platforms?

  35. Jolttra April 10, 2015 at 3:24 am -      #35

    @Erickyboo: Considering the vast difference in firepower missile spam probably won’t work as they would do minimal damage at best and many will be shot down. And the Nova Bomb had only a single known prototype with no delivery system. Maybe they’ve made some post war improvements but I have yet to see any so far. Or even any mention of continuing research into the project.

    The Super Macs might be able take down a sship in one or two hits. But only a select habdfull of planets have Super Macs. Reach only had 4. Most planets will be lucky to have a handfull of Super Macs, let alone the several hundred around Earth. So while Earth is safe, the other plabets are being wiped away taking countless ships,with them. Eventually Earth will be all that is left protected by it’s Maxs and what little fleet Survived. Then the Gamilus rush in with a fleet in the Hundreds of Thousands and punch threw the defenses. Game set and match.

  36. Zeejay April 10, 2015 at 2:24 pm -      #36

    What’s the range of a Super Mac? Because the Gamilas could use The Dessler Cannon to knock them out from long range or just destroy heavily defended planets.

  37. Rookie April 11, 2015 at 4:13 am -      #37

    Gamilas win for now, right? How would they do against Covenant?

  38. Jolttra April 11, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #38

    @Rookie: Just as good if not better. They still have superior firepower, but now their numbers advantage is even bigger. As well, the Covenant have a lot over very big ships, which mean the loss of just obe ship is a huge blow to the Covenant resources and available crew numbers.

  39. Friendlysociopath April 11, 2015 at 5:42 pm -      #39

    Gamilas Empire vs Star Wars Empire?

  40. Jolttra April 12, 2015 at 9:23 pm -      #40

    @Friendly: Legends or Canon? Because if Legends Empire then I want to say Empire. Both have weapins of similar power and the Gamilas might have a number advantage. But Gamilas ships are destroyed in one or two hits while Wars ships can survive heavy bombardment for a long time. Hours in some cases. So Empire would eventually outlast them with heavy casualties. Canon Empire, not so sure. Don’t really have any feats yet to put them on that level but many feats in other areas are appearing that are slowly bring Wars back to it’s former glory. And the Canon Tarkin novel mentions a relatively weak ship having weapons that shook a planet to it’s core.

  41. Ordo11 April 12, 2015 at 9:43 pm -      #41

    Well that is fancy.

  42. sierra117 April 12, 2015 at 11:18 pm -      #42

    as far as i known, Gamilas ship shield can only reflect beam weapons and quite useless when it come to missiles and projectile weapon (while UNSC primary weapon is missiles and projectiles)
    and Gamilas ship hull quite weak, so i think that MAC gun is enough to take down one ship/shot, not to mention Earth orbit have 300 SMAC, which far more powerful than normal MAC, plus UNSC hve plenty of nuke, and about The Dessler Cannon, as i remember, its only use in Human-Gamilas war while in this debate is Pre Gamilas-Human War so Gamilas can’t use it, and as i remember it right, Gamilas’s bomb can be intercepted (Yamato have done it before) so i don’t think that bombs a big deal for 300 SMAC in orbit. Gamilas biggest fleet is 10.000 ship, SMAC can fire 10 shot/minute (each shot is 3000-ton ferric-tungsten round fire at 12,000 kilometers/second so take down 2-3 ship/shot is not a big deal), plus every UNSC ship have a standard MAC, and Infinity have 4 MAC series 8 (it is state that stronger than SMAC), plenty Onager, nukes and several thousand anti-ship missiles

  43. Jolttra April 13, 2015 at 1:01 am -      #43

    @Sierra: Your forgetting that most UNSC ships are putty and will be taken out in one or two hits from the unintercepteable laser weapons. So assuming Gamilas ship hulls are in fact weak enough to be harmed by Macs and Archer missiles, this will very quickly become a war of attrition. A war the Gamilas have a massive advantage in possessing at least 100x as many ships. And as I stated before, while the Earth has 300 Smacs for defence the other ~700 Planets don’t. So they are easy pickings. When it cones down to just Earth massive swarms of likely superior fighters and bombers can thin out the SMAC defenses for a full invasion.

  44. sierra117 April 13, 2015 at 4:35 am -      #44

    @Jolttra: if i remember it right, after the war and the discovery of Shield World Trevelyan, most of UNSC ships is equipped with shielding that equal or even stronger than Covenant Shielding (capable of withstand nukes, Infinity even directly ram into a Convenant Armor Cruiser without breaking her shield), so i doubt that Gamilas firepower can do much damage to them, and clearly that Gamilas beam canon is weaker than Covernant plasma torpedo (a UNSC battlecruiser without shielding is capable of withstand 2-3 torpedo before being take ndown)
    And because this battle took places in Solar System so i thinks we don’t need to worry about other UNSC colonies
    and with 300 SMAC around Earh orbit, with 10 shot per minute for each SMAC plus MAC from others ships, Anti-ship missiles and nukes, the chances of take down a large numbers of Gamilas ships before they can reach Earth orbit is not impossible

  45. Jolttra April 13, 2015 at 1:49 pm -      #45

    @Sierra: First up, we do not know how many ships have shielding now. Only three ship classes have shown any form of shielding and they are all new designes. I somehow doubt they have built enough of these to completely replace the unshielded older craft in just 4 years. They will hace a couple hundred at best, most being Frigates. As well, Covenant shielding cannon survive nukes. It is stated in numerous sources that Nukes are a powerful weapon against the Covenant. You even use one at the start of Halo 4 to destroy a Covenant ship. Really Covenant shielding is rated at the low megatons at best. The Infinity’s Macs are 10 megatons and they one shot even massive Assault Carriers. While smaller 65 kiloton Macs can destroy a smaller Covenant ship in three or four hits.

    What makes you think the Gamilas laser weapons are inferior to the Plasma Torpedoes? The Gamilas have demonstrated missiles well into the gigatons or even territons. And they have small, fast amd maneuverable ships armed with lasers far superior to the Covenant Energy Ptojector which no UNSC ship has yet survived and has also deshielded ships as large as a mile long in one blow. And they have a lot of them. Starshighter weapons also seem superior, a few missiles completely painting the side of a mountain. All things considered the Gamilas seem to be superiorin overall firepower.

    Smacs are designed to hit extremely large Covenant ships. It has been stated many times that smaller, faster ships have been able to make it threw Mac defense screens. What qualifies as a “small” ship is subjective but considering a Covenant Corvette is over 900 meters long and even that required assistance for a Smac to hit we can guess the Gamilas ships more then qualify. Most of their ships are between 200 and 400 meters long. So they will be very small targets for the unwieldy Smacs. And the massive supply of fighters could easily take out a few of the undefended satellites. The Covenant overran both Reach and Earth wil a significantly smaller force then the tens of thousand of ships the Gamilas will be throwomg at them, at minimum, will too. They could easily send a fleet in the millions. The OP did say “everything they have” so sending the entire fleet doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch.

  46. sierra117 April 13, 2015 at 11:55 pm -      #46

    In The fall of Reach, they has show that nuke can’t break through Covenant ship shielding, the only way nuke can be use efffectly is use MAC to break a hole in their shield, then launch missiles through that hole. And the biggest missile of Gamilas is quite low, and had been intercept by Yamato in close range without any damage just by using their normal canons, so it not that hard for UNSC destroys those missiles before they can reach Earth orbit, and I quite sure that Gamilas laser weaker than Covenant plasma (i watched SBY 2199 twice) and beside Glesser Canon (with is invalid in this battle), i didn’t remember any other Gamilas beam weapons that show more destructive power than Covenant plasma.
    That true that Gamilas ships is quite small but with the number of 10.000 ships, i doubt that they have enough distance and time to completely evade SMAC shots
    “UNSC Orbital Defense Platforms typically mount
    larger and more powerful versions of the standard
    Magnetic Accelerator Cannon, nicknamed “super”
    MACs or “the big stick.” These cannons fire a 3000-ton ferric-tungsten round
    at 12,000 kilometers per second, or 4% of the speed of light, impacting with a massive amount of
    kinetic energy. According to the formula for kinetic
    energy, KE = 0.5 * m * v2, the force of each shot will
    be, 0.5 * 3’000’000 * 11991698.32 , which is 2.15701e . Given that a kiloton = 4184000000000 joules, then each shot produces 51553834.34
    Kilotons of force (51553.83 Megatons, or 51.56
    Gigatons) Against Covenant shield technology, the rounds
    possess enough kinetic energy to punch through
    shields, cut through the ship, and, upon exit, still
    retain enough energy to destroy a second ship, and
    cripple a third ship. It is theorized that if a ship’s armor or shields were to
    absorb all the kinetic energy of a super MAC round,
    the release of thermodynamic energy would still
    vaporize the ship. By receiving power from ground- based power plants, orbital platforms could achieve recharge and reload times as short as five seconds.”
    A SMAC can destroys 3 Covenant Ships in one shots and clearly that with Gamilas ship hull, the number can increase to 5-6 ships per shot. And with 5 second/shot, in 1 minute a SMAC can fire 12 shot x 300 we’ll have 3600 shot per minute, not to mention missiles nukes and MAC rounds from other ships and Infinity alone carrying 25,900 missiles, so the possibility that UNSC can win against Gamilas is not low.

  47. Jolttra April 14, 2015 at 3:02 am -      #47

    Comparing the Galilas ships effectivness to the Yamato is incredibly unfair as the Yamato is far more powerful, capable of taking out small fleets by itself. Really the Yamato would probably destroy Earth and it’s defenses by itself.

    If I remember correctly, Archer missiles were described as being extremely ineffective and easily shot down. So really the missile interception works both ways. And in the video posted by Rookiee we clearly see laser weapons comparable if not superior to the Energy Projector. As for standard lasers vs Plasma Torpedoes, I do not remember seeing any real good feats or estimates for Plasma Torpedoes so we would need a more direct comparison to judge that. I will say, however, that Gamilas lasers fire far faster.

    Your calculation has two major flaws. The first is assuming the Gamilas ships will be arranged in such a way to allow one Smac to hit multiple ships. Why would they do that? The second is assuming all 300 ships will be able to aim at the attacking fleet. The Gamilas are going to attack one side only, meaning only half the Smacs will be able to fire at them. And you seemed to forget the Smac satellites that will be lost to bomber attacks

  48. Rookie April 14, 2015 at 4:14 am -      #48

    @Jolttra

    “Really the Yamato would probably destroy Earth and it’s defenses by itself.”

    Well Yamato does have planet busting weapon.

  49. sierra117 April 14, 2015 at 10:47 am -      #49

    @Jolttra
    Well, you’re right, but i’m not sure about “Smac satellites that will be lost to bomber attacks” part, every SMAC platform have defense system, and all UNSC fighters like Sabre, Broadsword and Booster Frame is equipped with shielding while Gamilas Fighters isn’t so bombbard SMAC will became a hard task, and because location is Solar System, there will be a high posibility that UNSC can discovery Gamilas invasion soon enough to set up ambush like using Prowler to make a minefield (as i remember, Hornet Mine is nuclear weapon) so they can reduce a numbers of Gamilas fleet before they reach Earth of move the remain SMAC to battle.

  50. sierra117 April 14, 2015 at 12:02 pm -      #50

    Gamilas Fleet vs UNCF:
    kissanime.com/Anime/Space-Battleship-Yamato-2199/Episode-001?id=71734

    Battle of Balun:from 14:00
    kissanime.com/Anime/Space-Battleship-Yamato-2199/Episode-018?id=71751

    and most of Gamilas ship beside Carriers and Super battleships don’t have anti-aircraft defend system so it’s quite hard for them to intercept UNSC missiles
    Infinity rams into a Covenant armor cruiser without breaking ít shield

  51. Jolttra April 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm -      #51

    @Sierra: Actually Smacs don’t have any form of protection besides the main gun. It’s the reason Covenant Boarding craft were able to latch on so easily. Some fans think that the massive magnetic pulse from the Smac would disable any weapons systems. Whatever the reason, they are defenseless unless assigned a few body guards.

    Not entire sure they need Anti-Aircraft weaponry to shoot down Archers. They are extremely large and slow. Also, while the Infinity ramming the Assault Carrier is very impressive, there is still only one of that class and it is a very big target that is sure to be hit the hardest

  52. Ordo11 April 14, 2015 at 2:41 pm -      #52

    Wait are the unsc actually putting up a fight!! What sorcery is this?? Anyway I do know of the unsc and if what I know is right, the covenant shIp you are talking about is the biggest ship and strongest, with only the forerunner frigate being better, and it was sitting comfortably our of range casually dodging smacs and killing unsc ships by the dozens until the pillar of autumn used its experimental weaponry to take down its shields temporarily, and then used a nuke in a fighter to kill it.

  53. Super Combine April 14, 2015 at 3:29 pm -      #53

    Just going to make some corrections here.

    “the Covenant Energy Ptojector which no UNSC ship has yet survived”

    The Infinity has taken energy projectors to it’s unshielded hull multiple times and survived.

    1.bp.blogspot.com/-sxYpkTJs5Do/VO6IHifN57I/AAAAAAAIKa8/RkaHfI4hk1c/s1600/p15_2%2Bcopy.jpg

    4.bp.blogspot.com/-EpO6FMSvLyM/U1_stcBTFLI/AAAAAAADGnc/Rp7RZcavcs0/s1600/-023+copy.jpg

    4.bp.blogspot.com/-2dWbjoF3-fg/U4YAuzmd8-I/AAAAAAADe5c/3CSIDOWhQNg/s1600/-006.jpg

    “the covenant shIp you are talking about is the biggest ship and strongest”

    That was just a specialized cruiser, it’s dwarfed in size and number of weapons by the Assault Carrier and Super Carrier classes. Although, technically neither of those ship classes existed back when FoR was written.

    Also, Infinity has a better collision feat in the comics. It gets rammed by a 2 kilometer+ asteroid as it’s exiting slipspace and unshielded. The asteroid cracks but the Infinity’s hull is relatively unharmed.

    4.bp.blogspot.com/-IdOXYXCMsyc/VJwYffxfF4I/AAAAAAAHBSc/LGPrXxG04UU/s1600/p9_16%2Bcopy.jpg

    2.bp.blogspot.com/-ODRfX7dB-Tg/VJwYgTRiuWI/AAAAAAAHBS4/j4Fsq2wfnbo/s1600/p9_18%2Bcopy.jpg

    Not that I think the UNSC stand a chance or anything, just wanted to post new info.

  54. Zeejay April 14, 2015 at 8:47 pm -      #54

    @Sierra: Plus there’s a chance that the missiles might not even be that effective against Gamilas ships. The only reason the Yamato’s torpedoes and missiles destroy Gamilas ships is because they are specially designed to do so. Earth’s old model of missiles have been shown to do little to no damage.

    Koizumi: It grows out of the pictures and the words presented on screen. Why can only the Yukikaze‘s torpedo destroy a Gamilas ship in Episode 1? We say that Yukikaze is the only advance ship that was equipped with a special torpedo that was finally completed…and thus applied.

    “The torpedo analyzes the armor plates collected from the wreckage of Gamilas ships, and it’s a double warhead that scatters across reflective material on the surface, in Operation M, and the thought was that after its effectiveness was confirmed, it was installed on Yamato. If we didn’t have this flow, the question would come up about why Yamato‘s torpedoes suddenly become effective against Gamilas ships.”

  55. sierra117 April 14, 2015 at 11:49 pm -      #55

    @Zeejay
    you forgot that not only missiles but also cannon shells can effectly damage Gamilas ship so i see no reason why UNSC missiles can’t do the same (while it were used against more powerful warships)
    @Jolttra
    the ship that Infinity rammed is an Armor Cruiser, not Assault Carrier
    in Battle of Balun, we can see just Yamato alone can do quite damage to Gamilas fleet (even before it used WMC to destroys planet core), let imagine what will happens if a 5,4km long ship like Infinity suddenly appear out of nowhere and ram straight into Gamilas formation and as i remember, almost all of Gamilas ship are about 200-300m long and super battleship is about 500-600m at best (equal or a little bigger than an UNSC frigate)
    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121012181622/halo/es/images/0/0c/Infinity_fud_scale.jpg
    and i wonder what can Gamilas ship do to Infinity shield and 4.9m thick Titanium-A armor?
    and i admit, UNSC winning chance in this battle is not high, but if they lose, it will cost Gamilas at least 1/2-2/3 their fleet if not more

  56. Jolttra April 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm -      #56

    @Sierra: They use lasers, not cannon shells. And again, most of this is comparing the Gamilas to the Yamato which is more powerful then even the Infinity.

    I looked up the Armor Carrier. I’ll post the source.

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/RCS-class_armored_cruiser

    It’s actually much smaller then the Assault Carrier making the ramming feat far less impressive. That said, having a 5.4 kilometer ship attempt to ram craft significantly smaller then itself is a terrible tactic. It would be luck to hit anything. The Macs, too, would be less then effect as the ships are so small. So really the Infinity’s best bet is with the missile compliment. That means that at absolute max , assuming no shots miss or are shot down and only one missile is needed to destroy or cripple each ship, the Infinite can destroy 1,100 Gamilas craft. But when facing a fleet that big the Infinity is destined to take a ton if flak as well. The chances of taking such an onslaught are slim at best. That’s thousands of missiles and laser blasts

  57. sierra117 April 15, 2015 at 10:21 pm -      #57

    @Jolttra:
    Trust me, Yamato used canon shell too and its suprisingly effective against Gamilas ships.
    And it true that it quite hard ro ram into smaller ships, but if your target is 10.000 ships, it’s not that hard, and 1.100 is the number of Infinity missile pods, not the total number of missiles Infinity carriyng (it is about 29.500 missles, including nukes)
    as we had seen in Battle of Balun, even with 10.000 ships, Gamilas fleet can only deal minimum damage to Yamato, while Infinity has a freaking powerful shield, a incredible thick armor and big as fuck while Gamilas fire power is quite weak against an enemy as big as Infinity (compare to Infinity size, Gamilas beam is just a tiny little needle), and with 830 70mm M965 Point Defense Turrets and M85 Anti-Aircraft Guns, Gamilas missiles are not really a big problem

  58. Jolttra April 16, 2015 at 2:55 am -      #58

    @Sierra: Again, comparing the Gamilas to the Yamato is incredibly unfair as the Yamato is more advanced and powerful then any Gamilas ship and the Infinity. Seriously, one on one Yamato vs Infinity the Yamato wins even without its planet busting attack. Saying the Infinity would veat the Gamilas because the Yamato can is sort of line saying it can beat the Borg because the Enterprise could. It doesn’t work that way.

    Raming a fleet, no matter how big, is still a terrible tactic that will only leave the Infinity vulnerability to heavy attack while allowing the majority if the Gamilas get away unharmed. Ramming is a weapon of absolute last resort for a reason. It rarely works.

    UNSC anti-missile defenses were never that good. Even through these are newer supposedly improved models there is nothing to suggest they can shoot down Covenant fighters and missiles, let alone Gamilas Which will be raining down in far greater numbers.

    The Gamilas are going to have more the 10,000 ships. The OP specifically says “everything they have” meaning we are going to see a Gamilas fleet in the millions. The UNSC fleet numbers were never specifically given but have been referenced to be in the low thousands. So even with their entire fleet on Eartj thsy would be out number several hundred to one.

  59. Neon Lord April 16, 2015 at 4:20 am -      #59

    “And it true that it quite hard ro ram into smaller ships, but if your target is 10.000 ships, it’s not that hard”

    Do you know how big space is? Even with that number that would be a very sparse scattering.

  60. sierra117 April 16, 2015 at 5:51 am -      #60

    @Jolttra:
    I agree with the Yamato is more advanced and powerful then any Gamilas ship but only a little, and i won’t sure about “one on one Yamato vs Infinity the Yamato wins even without its planet busting attack”, because the only thing that Yamato surpass Infinity is her Wave Motion Cannon, without it i don’t see any other weapons of Yamato capable of break through Infinity shield which already tanked attacks that more powerful than any weapons Yamato and Gamilas possess beside WMC, plus Yamato shield can be easily take down after dozen missiles and beam shot, plus Yamato itself have been seriously damaged by Gamilas smaller force many times before, while Infinity have 4 super-heavyMAC, several thousands missiles and nukes, i don’t see any winning chance for Yamato when go one-on-one against Infinity without her Wave Motion Canon.

    And about “UNSC anti-missile defenses were never that good. Even through these are newer supposedly improved models there is nothing to suggest they can shoot down Covenant fighters and missiles” part:
    youtu.be/BK8YjkgqKSI?t=319

    the biggest fleet Gamilas had ever assaemble is the fleet in battle of Balun (10.000 ships), and after the fall of Gamilas home world, they can only assemble 3000 ships, so i believe the “a Gamilas fleet in the millions” will never happens because the numbers of Gamilas ship is about 15.000-20.000 at best. so may be UNSC only be out number 15-20 to 1
    as we had seen in battle of Balun, Gamilas beam and missles had been easily reflect by Yamato shield (which i dare say that is many time weaker than Infinity shield) so i don’t see any chance forr Gamilas take down Infinty without a losing a large part of their fleet.
    and after i watch SBY 2199 twice, play and read almost all Halo games, novels and comics, i dare say that the ony advantage Gamilas have in this fight is their freakingly huge fleet, otherwise, in both Defense and Offensive, they have nothing that can surpass UNSC

  61. sierra117 April 16, 2015 at 6:28 am -      #61

    @Neon Lord
    as you can see in Battle of Balun, Destruction of planet Alteria and Operation M, Gamilas ships has the habit to gruop together in small formation, so the chances for SMAC to hit them or Infinity ram them is not impossible

  62. Jolttra April 16, 2015 at 2:01 pm -      #62

    @Sierra: Ok, we really need to get things straight. The Gamilas are a more advanced race then both the UNSC and Covanent. Their weaons are shown to be superior in numerous areas. They have lasers superior to the Energy Projector, missiles superior to Archers, and fighter-bombers superior to the Seriph and Broadsword. The Yamato is far more powerful then the Infinity with missiles capable of piercing all the way threw the long side of a ship, making that titanium armor absolutely useless. It’s shields are more then enough to survive heavy missile barrage and it’s cannons can intercept many more. It’s too amall for the Macs and would fly circles around the ungainly beast. Size does not always equal strength. A modern Destroyer is vasty suerior to a much larger Battleship.

    I didn’t realy see any ships get shot down by the point defense guns. Well, maybe one. It was so fast and in the background so it was hard to tell. Most were shot down my the missiles. Archer missiles are said to be effective against stsrfighters (far more effective then against capita ships I might add) so that just shows the shift in tactics to using Macs purely for anti capital and missiles as secondsry weapons against unshielded ships and starfighters. The Point defense guns played seemingly no part in the battle and didn’t intercept a single missile.

    The largest fleet the Gamilas ever assemble was 10,000 This is true. But at the time they assembled this fleet they also needed massive amounts of shis keing watch over their thousands of planets and stopping rebellions elsewhere. The OP specifically sais everything they have. So ever Gamilas ship will be involved in this fight. And really, even if you wanted to just stick with the 10,000 thing, the largest feet ever assembled by the UNSC was only about 200 so it’s still 50-1.

    What is your obsetion with ramming? The only reason they could ram the Armored carrier was because it was unlucky enough to be right in front of the Infinity as it warped in. And even then it hit the ship at the structural weak point that is the neck. Had the two ramed head to head there could have been damage to the Infinity. The Macs are also going to be ineffective desite the numbers. The Gamilas use siral patterns that decrease the chances of piercing attacks while maximizing the amount of fire to a forward target.

  63. sierra117 April 16, 2015 at 9:55 pm -      #63

    @Jolttra:
    “he Gamilas are a more advanced race
    then both the UNSC and Covanent. Their
    weaons are shown to be superior in numerous areas. They have lasers superior to the Energy Projector, missiles superior to Archers, and fighter-bombers superior to the Seriph and Broadsword. The Yamato is far more powerful then the Infinity with missiles capable of piercing all the way threw the long side of a ship, making that titanium armor absolutely useless. It’s shields are more then enough to survive heavy missile barrage and it’s cannons can intercept many more.”

    You really should go watch SBY 2199 one more time and read Halo novels and comics,the only thing Gamilas is superior than Covenant and UNSC is their numbers,
    There is no fucking ways that Gamilas EP superior than Covenant’s (Covenant used it to glass planet, piecre through other Covenant Ship’s shield (with capable of tanking nukes) snd hull in one shot) while Gamilas has to used bombs), about Archers, we really never saw it in real combat so let put it aside, but about Sabre and Broadsword, there are no ways that they are ìnerior than Gamilas’s and Yamato’s, let i remind you: both Sabre, Broadsword and Booster Frame is equipped with shielding, while Yamato’s and Gamilas’s have none and can be easily shoot down by machine gun or a single missile, while UNSC fighter can tank more damage than that without any problem.

    And about Infinity, let i remind you, beside their shielding (which have tank more damage than any other weapons of both Yamato and Gamilas can make), they have a 4.9m thick titanium-A armor ( and neither Yamato nor Gamilas ship have a hull that 1/3 thick as Infinity), and i never seen Yamato’s missiles shoot down anything bigger than a gamilas warship (which is just 2-300m length, has a paper thick hull and too fucking small while compare to Infinity). While Yamato’shield can be easily take down after few dozen missiles or beam, Infinity is capable of firing hundred to thousand missiles at the same time, so take down Yamato shield, AA defense system or even take down Yamato in the same time are not a big problem. And in this case a battleship like Infinity has more destructive power than a destroyer (Yamato).

    About their number of ships: yes. But remember after the fall of their home world, they can only assemble a fleet of 3000 and in that circumstance, i didn’t see any meaning to shis keing watch over their thousands of planets and stopping rebellions anymore.

    And if there realy is an ramming situation, i dont see any way that a tiny little ship like Gamilas can done any heavy damage for infinity, plus Covenant ship structural weak point that is the neck is already many time bigger than a Gamilas warship. And even if a MAC shot missed it still can damage Gamilas ship because It is theorized that if a ship’s armor or shields were to absorb all the kinetic energy of a super MAC round, the release of thermodynamic energy would still vaporize the ship, and Infinity MAC shockwave generated is powerful enough to knock in-atmosphere starships out of the air. And The Gamilas don’t use siral patterns that decrease the chances of piercing attacks while maximizing the amount of fire to a forward target, the one using it is Yamato, and it can be block by a super battleship’shield

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