Marvel Vs Harry Potter

Marvel Vs Harry Potter

Suggested by Jake_Uzumaki

Marvel will go up against Harry Potter

Composite Marvel multiverse vs Composite Harry Potter universe.

Both sides have 2 years to prepare for the battle.

Who will win?

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  1. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 12:07 am -      #101

    “Most of that was from cartoons and a T.V. show questionable sorces at best.”
    /
    The T.V. show takes place during the first and second movie.
    The only thing they got from the animated series was jumping into that nuclear powered monster and sneezing lightning bolts.
    Jumping from large building and landing on a tanker is canon and pushing the large bomb as well.
    /
    “And they ignored the time when S.W.A.T. pushed murphy back with small arms fire”
    /
    I think that is an outlier
    youtu.be/KBccZfvPXFc?t=81
    youtu.be/msaelEZ_eEs?t=10
    Death Battle even provided another clip where bullets were practically doing nothing.
    /
    “something Terminator laughs off, and the time a 40mm grenade pretty much killed Robo.”
    /
    Another outlier considering the drop from the large building feat and the large bomb.

  2. Jake_Uzumaki April 30, 2015 at 12:14 am -      #102

    “Regular Thor did this too:
    i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsIronman06.jpg
    arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/thorman9.jpg”

    Not the Thor Buster Armor and held up a hell of a lot better than the war suit did against Superman in the scans they showed of him ripping it apart like tissue paper with punches.

    “You mean aside from Lex’s most standard War armor ”

    Which Lex didn’t made, he just modded it after Darkseid gave it too him. Not an impressive feat of engineering for him. And in N52 the ones he’s made are just pathetic compared to Tony’s

    “Superman > Thanos.”

    In his dreams where he’s not weaker than his girlfriend.

    “Thor & Banner hold back too. Or well, they have subconscious limits which stop them from using their full potential. Specially while on Earth.”

    Except when Thor was so pissed he was going to kill Tony if Cap hadn’t jumped between them at the last second and snapped Thor out of his “kill the shit out of these earth bastards” rage.

    And during Fear Itself Tony’s Bleeding Edge armor was able to force a draw with one of the Worthy and slice through its skull.

    “1. Who had more success, between Lex & Tony? The answer is Lex.”

    Riight, that’s why Death of Superman involved Lex Luthor killing Superman not a random alien entity called Doomsday, and why Luthor never loses to Superman.

    Also I’m just going to ask something. Do Lex’s shields allow light to pass through them?

  3. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 12:17 am -      #103

    For the record, Pre-crises Superman > Marvel Skyfathers.

    A Human Sneeze on average produces 0.005421 N

    A Human Punch is about 5,000 N

    Now considering Pre-crises Superman destroyed a Solar System with a sneeze,
    With a single all out Punch he would be at 1 BILLION solar system busting power.

    Add to that the fact that he’s multiple times faster than any Marvel Skyfather has proven to be.
    And more durable too, considering he survived multiversal destruction at one point. Surviving universal destruction seems to be a walk in the park for him.

    He also has defensive feats against any kind of “hax” that you can name.

  4. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 12:22 am -      #104

    @Jake
    “Which Lex didn’t made, he just modded it after Darkseid gave it too him. Not an impressive feat of engineering for him. ”

    Tony didn’t make a good percentage of the armors you were naming either.
    We aren’t discussing engineering capabilities, we’re discussing the power of their standard equipment.

    “And in N52 the ones he’s made are just pathetic compared to Tony’s”

    Pre-Flashpoint was being used in the Deathbattle match. So that’s the one i’m discussing.

    “In his dreams where he’s not weaker than his girlfriend”

    …Did you just call Thanos more powerful than Pre-Flashpoint Superman?
    Yea lets take this to the Annihilators + Thanos vs Justice League + Darkseid thread.
    So i can prove to you how ridiculously wrong you are.

    Thanos wouldn’t be able to scratch an itch on Supermans ballsack.

    “And during Fear Itself Tony’s Bleeding Edge armor was able to force a draw with one of the Worthy and slice through its skull.”

    Caus the worthy totally compare to Superman. #Sarcasm
    Anyhow, i’v already admit certain Ironman armors would beat Lex.
    But definitely not ANY of the armors that can be considered even relatively “standard”.

    “Riight, that’s why Death of Superman involved Lex Luthor killing Superman not a random alien entity called Doomsday, and why Luthor never loses to Superman”

    Why are you talking as if Tony has killed Thor or Hulk…?
    Since when does success mean killing the opponent?
    Lex’s War armor fights against Superman have more success when compared to Tonys fights against Thor & Hulk.
    That’s a fact, not an opinion.

  5. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 12:24 am -      #105

    “You mean aside from Lex’s most standard War armor which took hits from Superman?”
    /
    Superman is pulling his punches. He’s not going all out. Why are we bringing Superman into this?
    /
    “Fair enough though, CERTAIN incarnations of Ironman would without a doubt beat Lex.
    But NONE of those incarnations are anywhere NEAR standard equipment. Nor were they EVER standard equipment.”
    /
    The Hulkbuster isn’t standard, but the other two suits shown in the battle are.
    /
    “Nothing you mentioned gives any evidence as to why regular Tony beats regular Lex.”
    /
    His current suit is capable of disrupting and taking over other suits.
    Also, is Lex suit E.M.P. proof?
    /
    “Because Superman usually holds back?
    Thor & Banner hold back too. Or well, they have subconscious limits which stop them from using their full potential. Specially while on Earth.”
    /
    I’m tired of all this power scaling that it has gone down to.
    Superman, Thor, and Hulk have pretty much nothing to do with a fight between Lex and Tony other than power scaling.
    /
    “So what gives you the right to say who’s holding back more…?
    The only way we can measure it is by:
    1. Who had more success, between Lex & Tony? The answer is Lex.
    2. Which opponent was generally more powerful, between Supes & Thor? The answer is Superman.”
    /
    That’s a fallacy.
    1) Yes, Lex had more success, but that has more to do with Superman vs Lex Luthor in their universe. Lex is facing Tony, not Superman.
    2) Yes, Superman is better than Thor, but just because Superman is more powerful doesn’t mean he doesn’t holds back more than Thor. Superman would probably hold back just as much against Ironman if it ever happened in a story, while Thor could

  6. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #106

    @AoO
    “Superman is pulling his punches. He’s not going all out. Why are we bringing Superman into this?”

    Because if something happens enough times, Power Scaling can start to apply.
    Superman “holding back” his punches can still be vastly above Planet Busting.
    And considering Lex’s suit is made by Darkseid, i wouldn’t be surprised one bit if it actually had planet busting durability.

    “The Hulkbuster isn’t standard, but the other two suits shown in the battle are.”

    And the other two don’t have feats that put them above Lex’s War.

    “His current suit is capable of disrupting and taking over other suits.
    Also, is Lex suit E.M.P. proof?”

    It doesn’t run on electricity AFAIK. So yea, it would be E.M.P proof.
    Pretty sure it runs on liquid kryptonite.

    “I’m tired of all this power scaling that it has gone down to.”

    Why are you talking as if Powerscaling isn’t a valid argument, when it totally is?
    Most villains don’t get ANY feats aside from the powerscaling from their respective Hero.
    That’s the case here. Nothing wrong with it.

    “Yes, Lex had more success, but that has more to do with Superman vs Lex Luthor in their universe. Lex is facing Tony, not Superman.”

    Again, power scaling DOES prove capabilities of the combatants unless there’s PiS involved.
    The Lex vs Superman fight happens more than once, and while Superman was holding back it wasn’t PiS.

    Should we say Doomsday isn’t threatening either now?
    And that Darkseid is weak as fuck too?
    Just because we shouldn’t be powerscaling them to Superman?

    ” Yes, Superman is better than Thor, but just because Superman is more powerful doesn’t mean he doesn’t holds back more than Thor.”

    You can’t prove he holds back more than Thor though.
    And before you say i can’t prove Superman doesn’t hold back more than Thor, it isn’t my duty to do so. That’s asking me to prove a negative, which i have no need to do.
    Infact, find me a scan saying Superman was holding back against Lex at all.

  7. Friendlysociopath April 30, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #107

    But isn’t pretty much everything Lex has designed specifically to combat Superman?
    If that’s true, then “holding back” isn’t the correct term- Superman would be actively weakened for almost every fight against Lex.

  8. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 12:55 am -      #108

    “But isn’t pretty much everything Lex has designed specifically to combat Superman?”

    The same can be said about the Hulkbuster though.
    Which got wrecked in what… 2 punches? 3 punches?

  9. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 12:59 am -      #109

    “Because if something happens enough times, Power Scaling can start to apply.”
    /
    How can power scaling apply to someone who holds back everytime?
    /
    “Superman “holding back” his punches can still be vastly above Planet Busting.
    And considering Lex’s suit is made by Darkseid, i wouldn’t be surprised one bit if it actually had planet busting durability.”
    /
    That’s an assumption. We don’t know Darkseid gave him a suit that can withstand planet busting blows.
    Can we have feats other than vs. Superman.
    He has a comic goddang it.
    /
    “And the other two don’t have feats that put them above Lex’s War.”
    /
    Do we have feats other than facing goddang Superman, the one who holds back?
    Superman gets taken out by super human thugs when he holds back sometimes.
    I mean, Tony Stark has shown feats without powerscaling.
    Easily taking nuclear blasts, lifting and pushing skyscraper things, flying from mach 7 to mach 10.
    We can’t assume that Lex is flying at lightspeed, throws planet busting hits, and tanks planetbusting hits.
    /
    “It doesn’t run on electricity AFAIK. So yea, it would be E.M.P proof.
    Pretty sure it runs on liquid kryptonite.”
    /
    It doesn’t matter if a suit runs on electricity or not.
    Master Chief’s suit is run by a fusion reactor and still gets effected by E.M.P.
    Pre-52 Lex Luthor suit still has on board systems and a control systems.
    There’s also no counter to Tony’s current sym suit to shut it down.
    /
    “Why are you talking as if Powerscaling isn’t a valid argument, when it totally is?
    Most villains don’t get ANY feats aside from the powerscaling from their respective Hero.
    That’s the case here. Nothing wrong with it.”
    /
    It’s coming from a hero that has to constantly hold back.
    Doesn’t Lex Luthor have several other comics to show his feats?
    /
    “Again, power scaling DOES prove capabilities of the combatants unless there’s PiS involved.
    The Lex vs Superman fight happens more than once, and while Superman was holding back it wasn’t PiS.”
    /
    Yeah, and when Superman holds back, he doesn’t pick up a continent to chuck at Lex.
    He’s struggling to keep Lex alive while destroying the suit and facing kryptonite slowly depowering him.
    /
    “Should we say Doomsday isn’t threatening either now?”
    /
    Define threatening.
    Superman tier?
    Nope. He hasn’t destroyed a star nor has he done crazy stuff with a black hole, nor has he broke reality.
    Superman holds back against him too you know, not to let Doomsday go blow for blow, but for the sake of the planet.
    /
    “And that Darkseid is weak as fuck too?
    Just because we shouldn’t be powerscaling them to Superman?”
    /
    You’re being vague with weak.
    Superman tier or not?
    Aside from the fact that we’ve seen what omega beams do such as erase people from existence and send people back in time.
    /
    “You can’t prove he holds back more than Thor though.
    And before you say i can’t prove Superman doesn’t hold back more than Thor, it isn’t my duty to do so. That’s asking me to prove a negative, which i have no need to do. Infact, find me a scan saying Superman was holding back against Lex at all.”
    /
    *Sigh*
    My point was that it’s an assumption to even say that Superman holds back less than Thor. We don’t know from either of them. It’s a fallacy.
    First, show me a scan of Superman facing Lex Luthor since we have no gauge of how much Superman is going on Lex Luthor.
    Doesn’t Lex Luthor have his own comics even in Pre-52?

  10. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #110

    Ok, so since everyone’s generally agreed that Superman holds back and is thus a shitty power scaling source…
    Here’s a few others:

    Takes blows from a pissed off Alexander Luthor, who was bent on killing,
    imgur.com/a/o0dfp
    He survived long enough to turn Alex back into a human, who he then kills.

    Alexander Luthor was MUCH more powerful than Superman.
    Meaning benchpressing earth for 5 days straight without any sunlight levels of strength.

    Right after the severe beating from Alexander, he tanked blows from Ultraman. Who’s also Superman tier strength, alsthough Lex notes that he’s been weakened since.
    imgur.com/0UF7EEu

    Tanks blows from a bloodlusted Flash.
    imgur.com/vfB6Rz7

    Hacks into the Hellbat suit. Batmans most advanced technological suit yet.
    imgur.com/qKqKIUt

    These are all new52

  11. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 1:40 am -      #111

    For pre-flashpoint

    He went toe to toe with Braniac.
    Lex’s energy projection was enough to stagger him, and he then snapped Braniacs neck with his hands.
    imgur.com/a/2FnTh

    Fought Larfleeze, who’s one of the most powerful lanterns
    imgur.com/a/LHDyr

    Speaking of his engineering not being on “par” with Starks…
    Luthor created a being called Hope, who beat Superman.
    When has Stark done anything like that?
    imgur.com/9TebLBl
    imgur.com/p0uGdFk

    New52 feats under moderation in the post before this.

  12. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 1:43 am -      #112

    Luthor forced Superman to retreat to the sun to sundip.
    So don’t give me that “Superman was obviously holding back” bullshit.
    You can’t force someone to retreat and power up, if they were holding back the whole time.

    i.imgur.com/qeXWfux.jpg

    This is also New52 btw.

  13. MatthiasTheWanderer April 30, 2015 at 2:05 am -      #113

    In regards to Lex’s stuff being designed to fight Supes vs Hulk Buster being made to fight the Hulk…

    For one thing, the Hulk Buster armor DID lose against Luthor, so I don’t actually know why you’re bringing it up, and regardless, while it was designed with him in mind, yes, it was specifically meant to match him blow-for-blow. What Friendly was referring to is the fact that Lex’s suit is designed, not to be as powerful as Superman, but around a single, HUGELY crippling weakness, which severely decreases the impressiveness of basically any feat it has against a Kryptonian.

  14. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 2:22 am -      #114

    So it’s all powerscaling.
    /
    “He went toe to toe with Braniac.
    Lex’s energy projection was enough to stagger him, and he then snapped Braniacs neck with his hands.”
    /
    It says Lex w/prep vs Braniac w/prep.
    /
    “Fought Larfleeze, who’s one of the most powerful lanterns”
    /
    It’s missing some other scans from what I can tell.
    /
    “Speaking of his engineering not being on “par” with Starks…
    Luthor created a being called Hope, who beat Superman.
    When has Stark done anything like that?”
    /
    Is that it?
    We see that Superman is still fighting, so no. I don’t see how Superman was beat.
    Also, you do realize how complex a Dyson sphere is compared to a living being, right?
    /
    “So don’t give me that “Superman was obviously holding back” bullshit.”
    /
    I was referring to Pre-52 incarnations the whole time for Superman holding back.

  15. Limbo Lowk April 30, 2015 at 2:24 am -      #115

    “What Friendly was referring to is the fact that Lex’s suit is designed, not to be as powerful as Superman, but around a single, HUGELY crippling weakness, which severely decreases the impressiveness of basically any feat it has against a Kryptonian.”

    Funny enough, Lex current armor might be power by a solar energy like Supes as of Forever evil.
    ===
    “Luthor forced Superman to retreat to the sun to sundip.”

    Wasn’t that more of a recharge considering what had happened before that? I think that instance is more of what Lex can do trap wise.

  16. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 2:24 am -      #116

    @MatthiasTheWanderer
    “Lex’s suit is designed, not to be as powerful as Superman, but around a single, HUGELY crippling weakness, which severely decreases the impressiveness of basically any feat it has against a Kryptonian.”

    Braniac, Alexander, Ultraman, & Flash do not share that weakness.
    And all of those characters were out for blood.
    Lex either tanked all their hits, or flat out beat them.

    And in regards to the Kryptonite thing,
    Superman tanked a Kryptonite NUKE with several tons of it, and wasn’t even blacked out.

  17. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 2:31 am -      #117

    @Alpha
    “So it’s all powerscaling.”

    Powerscaling against characters who were not holding back. Since they were enraged & out for blood.
    Therefor the power scaling in these situations applies perfectly, unless you can prove why it wouldn’t.

    “It says Lex w/prep vs Braniac w/prep.”

    You realize Braniac is like the most intelligent being in the DC universe right?
    Have you read any of the New52 stuff?
    The dude operates on a multiversal scale.

    “It’s missing some other scans from what I can tell.”

    There really isn’t much to that fight.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/3148969-7.png
    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101114010903/supermanrebirth/images/4/4b/Lex_Luthor_vs_Larfleeze.jpg
    They were clearly shown to be on a rather even footing.
    And this is pre-flashpoint Lanterns, who were pretty close to star level.

    “I was referring to Pre-52 incarnations the whole time for Superman holding back.”

    Well New52 did bench earth for 5 days while being deprived of sunlight.

    “Also, you do realize how complex a Dyson sphere is compared to a living being, right?”

    I can say with 99.999999% certainty that creating a pre-flashpoint era Superman would be more complex that creating a Dyson Sphere.

  18. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 2:42 am -      #118

    Against Supergirl, who definitely doesn’t share the same morals that Clark does,
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/66913/1667328-lex_vs_supergirl.jpg

    He can hold back an enraged Cheetah, who’s Wonderwoman tier
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15776/1224339-cheetah45.jpg

    Here’s from a Superman fight. Superman didn’t even know he was fighting a human. All he knew was that he was getting his ass handed to him. He had no real reason to be holding back.
    Also, that’s not kryptonite, it’s a Force blade.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132106/3547134-3091796-lex3.png
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132106/3547133-3091797-lex4.png

    Ffs guys, stop with the Lex downplay.
    He may not have as many feats as Ironman, and he’s definitely not as likable or popular,
    But the feats that he does have in his War Suit are without a doubt better than any of Starks standard equipment.

  19. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 2:51 am -      #119

    “Powerscaling against characters who were not holding back. Since they were enraged & out for blood.
    Therefor the power scaling in these situations applies perfectly, unless you can prove why it wouldn’t.”
    /
    As you said before, if it happens enough times, powerscaling counts as a feat. He fought Larfleeze, Brainiac, and all those once or twice. Not like he does with Supes.
    /
    “You realize Braniac is like the most intelligent being in the DC universe right?
    Have you read any of the New52 stuff?
    The dude operates on a multiversal scale.”
    /
    This isn’t New52 Braniac that you showed me, but even if it is, then that’s stupid.
    If Braniac operates on a multiversal scale while Lex has no nigh omnipotent power, then that is clearly PIS.
    That’s like Batman kicking the Spectre.
    /
    “There really isn’t much to that fight.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/3148969-7.png
    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101114010903/supermanrebirth/images/4/4b/Lex_Luthor_vs_Larfleeze.jpg
    They were clearly shown to be on a rather even footing.
    And this is pre-flashpoint Lanterns, who were pretty close to star level.”
    /
    Aside from the fact that he fought Larfleeze once or twice, powerscaling shouldn’t count anyway since they didn’t really fight that much.
    Also, that second link is the cover image of the comic book, not part of the fight.
    www.investcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/stories/Sebs_1/ac_cv898_ds-copy.jpg
    /
    “Well New52 did bench earth for 5 days while being deprived of sunlight.”
    /
    But the scan isn’t Pre-Flashpoint, so that feat goes to N52 Luthor for fighting a no-holding back Superman.
    /
    “I can say with 99.999999% certainty that creating a pre-flashpoint era Superman would be more complex that creating a Dyson Sphere.”
    /
    She didn’t beat Superman from what I’m seeing since the last panel of the second scan shows Superman shooting at her.
    Nor am I seeing her rip reality, close black holes, destroy stars, or even planets. I see Supes getting hit like he does in his other fights. Sure, if Lex created a pre-flashpoint era Supes, then yes, it would be more complex than a dyson sphere, but no one is seeing that here.

  20. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 3:07 am -      #120

    “Against Supergirl, who definitely doesn’t share the same morals that Clark does,”
    /
    On the other hand, SuperGirl is nowhere close to the same tier Superman is.
    /
    “He can hold back an enraged Cheetah, who’s Wonderwoman tier”
    /
    That’s more likely him telling her to stop killing a person that’s already dead.
    /
    “Here’s from a Superman fight. Superman didn’t even know he was fighting a human. All he knew was that he was getting his ass handed to him. He had no real reason to be holding back.”
    /
    That’s N52. Also, you do know that was kinda before he became even planet level, right?
    /
    “Ffs guys, stop with the Lex downplay.
    He may not have as many feats as Ironman, and he’s definitely not as likable or popular,
    But the feats that he does have in his War Suit are without a doubt better than any of Starks standard equipment.”
    /
    Except all of his “feats”(more like fights) are based on people he fought. Once or twice besides Superman.
    Also, you haven’t shown any speed feats nor durability even if the powerscaling is true.
    Nor, have you shown a counter to E.M.P. and the current sym suit.

  21. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 3:29 am -      #121

    @AoO
    “As you said before, if it happens enough times, powerscaling counts as a feat. He fought Larfleeze, Brainiac, and all those once or twice. Not like he does with Supes.”

    All those characters are roughly the same tier.
    If a character fights enough people of the same tier 4 or 5 times, who the fuck are you to say he’s not on that tier with them?
    Gladiator from Marvel forexample, who’s considered a top tier cosmic brick by everyone, gets majority of his feats by powerscaling his fights with other cosmic bricks.
    There’s NOTHING wrong with that. It’s a valid line of reasoning.

    “This isn’t New52 Braniac that you showed me, but even if it is, then that’s stupid.
    If Braniac operates on a multiversal scale while Lex has no nigh omnipotent power, then that is clearly PIS. That’s like Batman kicking the Spectre.”

    I said he OPERATES at a multiversal level. Meaning his intelligence allows him to plan things of that scope, which others can’t even comprehend.
    Not that he controls or alters multiverses with his power.

    Point being, Lex beating a Braniac that had prep is a great feat.
    But there’s still no reason to call it PiS, since we see Lex battling other people of that tier fairly regularly.

    “powerscaling shouldn’t count anyway since they didn’t really fight that much.”

    He took hits from Larfleeze, and he hit Larfleeze back which caused him to stagger and feel pain and etc..
    Of course the fight counts as a feat.
    Once again, you’re downplaying all his fights because you simply don’t want to accept them.

    “But the scan isn’t Pre-Flashpoint, so that feat goes to N52 Luthor for fighting a no-holding back Superman.”

    Yes yes, i’m just discussing Luthor in general now. Both pre-flashpoint & new52.
    Almost all of the showings i’v been providing put him above standard Ironman.
    And the thing is, this IS the standard war suit.

    “She didn’t beat Superman from what I’m seeing since the last panel of the second scan shows Superman shooting at her. Nor am I seeing her rip reality, close black holes, destroy stars, or even planets.”

    Okay, you probably misunderstand the stance that i’m taking.
    I’m not saying Lex or anything Lex has ever done competes with Supermans high tier / prime showings.
    Nothing Doomsday or Darkseid have done compete with those showings either.
    But Superman has a base line power level, which IS without the shadow of a doubt, planet busting durability & strength.
    During the pre-flashpoint era anyhow.

    And any character that has gone toe to toe with him multiple times, or characters of his tier multiple times, SHOULD be considered an equal to that base power level.

    “On the other hand, SuperGirl is nowhere close to the same tier Superman is.”

    She’s an equal to him under base line circumstances actually.
    Massively faster than light, can accidentally break the planet if pissed off, all that jazz.

    “That’s N52. Also, you do know that was kinda before he became even planet level, right?”

    He was already planet level before his bench pressing feat.
    If you re-read the comic, he just wanted to see how much he could push himself, and by the time the 5 days were done he just had like a couple of drops of sweat going down his forehead.
    That single feat didn’t make him “stronger” by any means. It was just a test.

    Unless you think he absorbed more sunlight in that 1-2 years than he did during his 20-25 years living on earth?
    The power difference is irrelevant.

    “Except all of his “feats”(more like fights) are based on people he fought. Once or twice besides Superman.”

    I’m genuinely getting tired of telling you that Power Scaling is a valid method of debating, whether you like it or not.
    He’s fought planet busting characters on at least 5 different occasions, and at least half those times his opponents weren’t holding back. and at least half of those times he WON.

    Had this been any other unknown character, everyone would have instantly accepted him as being on the same tier as those people.
    But since he’s Lex Luthor, a mere human (gasp), that everyone thinks of as a weakling, you’re all struggling to accept that his Power Suit is actually up there.

    “Also, you haven’t shown any speed feats nor durability”

    I agree i haven’t shown speed feats, but how are the Power Scaling fights NOT durability feats?
    You baffle me.

    “Nor, have you shown a counter to E.M.P.”

    An E.M.P literally means electro magnetic pulse. If you take a basic science class, you’ll know it fucks with ELECTRICAL circuits. Which i don’t think the War Suit runs on.
    Also, considering he went up against Braniac, a hacker & technician that’s a few trillion times better than Stark… You’d think he had that figured out already.

    ” and the current sym suit.”

    Oh i dunno, hitting him harder.

  22. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 3:54 am -      #122

    So more than half of the War Suits showings have been against high tier DC bricks. That’s a higher level of consistency in terms of power than 90% of comic characters.
    So how can you say none of them “count”?
    Each and every one of those fights just makes it more likely that the other feats are perfectly valid & not PiS.
    They all compliment each other in terms of realism on the suits power level.

    He fought Larfleeze, Supergirl, Superman (more than once), Braniac, Alexander (Shazam), Ultraman, Flash…
    Majority of the time, those characters weren’t holding back against him.
    And a couple of those times he actually won.

    All of those characters are generally in the same criteria. Including base Superman.
    Anywhere from Continent Busting (low end) all the way up to potential Star Busting (high end).
    Luthor also barely has any “low-end” showings compared to those characters.

    Ironman on the other hand, is mountain busting at best. Multi-nuke tanking at best. And has FAR worse & more low-end showings than Luthor.
    And he’s pretty much NEVER held a prolonged fight against high tier bricks with his standard gear.

    So… What’s there left to debate?

    With prep-time, yea, maybe Stark wins.
    But that wasn’t the Scenario that Deathbattle presented, and thus i disagree with their outcome.

  23. sadot06 April 30, 2015 at 4:07 am -      #123

    That Death Battle was amazing.

    By the way, if anyone is interested I had an idea for a huge 3 part crossover match and I’m collabing with other Facts. I’d love to have more people on board: www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=148680

  24. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 4:38 am -      #124

    “All those characters are roughly the same tier.
    If a character fights enough people of the same tier 4 or 5 times, who the fuck are you to say he’s not on that tier with them?”
    /
    So I can say Batman is in that tier.
    /
    “Gladiator from Marvel forexample, who’s considered a top tier cosmic brick by everyone, gets majority of his feats by powerscaling his fights with other cosmic bricks.
    There’s NOTHING wrong with that. It’s a valid line of reasoning.”
    /
    There’s a ton of fights where I see Gladiator duke it down with Thor several times, takes down Drax several times, several Hulk vs Gladiator.
    Gladiator has fought them consistently while there’s no holding back(though Hulk is different in strength because of how angry he is).
    /
    “I said he OPERATES at a multiversal level. Meaning his intelligence allows him to plan things of that scope, which others can’t even comprehend.
    Not that he controls or alters multiverses with his power.”
    /
    Does this change anything really?
    If Braniac operates at a multiversal level and with prep-time loses to Lex Luthor with prep, who doesn’t operate on a solar level, the intelligence fight.
    /
    “Point being, Lex beating a Braniac that had prep is a great feat.
    But there’s still no reason to call it PiS, since we see Lex battling other people of that tier fairly regularly.”
    /
    Braniac is above that tier.
    Several magnitudes.
    /
    “He took hits from Larfleeze, and he hit Larfleeze back which caused him to stagger and feel pain and etc..
    Of course the fight counts as a feat.
    Once again, you’re downplaying all his fights because you simply don’t want to accept them.”
    /
    He took a hit from Larfleeze? Yes.
    He took a star level hit? No. That much should be obvious.
    Me? Downplaying?
    Nah, I’m just pointing out the obvious.
    /
    “Yes yes, i’m just discussing Luthor in general now. Both pre-flashpoint & new52.
    Almost all of the showings i’v been providing put him above standard Ironman.
    And the thing is, this IS the standard war suit.”
    /
    Then for N52, as Lowk said, it was for a quick recharge.
    Superman doesn’t look like he’s bleeding. And that was before he was planet level.
    /
    “Okay, you probably misunderstand the stance that i’m taking.
    I’m not saying Lex or anything Lex has ever done competes with Supermans high tier / prime showings.
    Nothing Doomsday or Darkseid have done compete with those showings either.
    But Superman has a base line power level, which IS without the shadow of a doubt, planet busting durability & strength.
    During the pre-flashpoint era anyhow.”
    /
    No, I understood your stance.
    I just think you’re interpreting these fights as 100% legit. I think you’re forgetting that Superman drastically holds back, which leads to him be defeated by some opponents he shouldn’t be losing to.
    For example, he wasn’t attacking even Captain Marvel or Hawkman with planet busting attacks even though the former is
    Also, you do know there are scans that show Superman going intangible while Doomsday flails at him, and then, he proceeds to scare Doomsday showing that he’s not near Superman?
    /
    “And any character that has gone toe to toe with him multiple times, or characters of his tier multiple times, SHOULD be considered an equal to that base power level.”
    /
    Not Lex considering that Supes holds back against him. We don’t see planet busting hits being thrown at Lex. Heck, we don’t even see Supes do things to Lex that he did to the Elite.
    He doesn’t speedblitz him.
    He could simply just lobotomize Lex by simply deciding what part of him functions or not.
    Not even what he did against Doomsday.
    He doesn’t use his intangibility on him and humiliate him afterwards.
    /
    “She’s an equal to him under base line circumstances actually.
    Massively faster than light, can accidentally break the planet if pissed off, all that jazz.”
    /
    I remember the faster than light in Batman and Superman, but I didn’t see it in this fight here.
    I don’t see Lex Luthor outspeeding or racing Supergirl.
    I see Supergirl already getting trashed.
    /
    “He was already planet level before his bench pressing feat.
    If you re-read the comic, he just wanted to see how much he could push himself, and by the time the 5 days were done he just had like a couple of drops of sweat going down his forehead.
    That single feat didn’t make him “stronger” by any means. It was just a test.”
    /
    While, Lowk pointed out that it was a quick recharge(so it means he was still holding back), comics have shown that gaps of power have happen in short amount of time.
    /
    “Unless you think he absorbed more sunlight in that 1-2 years than he did during his 20-25 years living on earth?
    The power difference is irrelevant.”
    /
    No, because comic book writers don’t care about consistency. Also, it has happened before where the power difference has been that huge.
    Somewhere after Death of Superman(from Doomsday) he went from struggling with street thugs to back to the man of steel we know.
    This is aside from the fact those 1-2 years ago, he couldn’t even fly. He could jump really high and run fast.
    Also, recent comics show Superman with a solar flare where he gets depowered to a normal human and then back to the planet levels. Yeah, there’s a huge power difference in a short amount of time.
    /
    “I’m genuinely getting tired of telling you that Power Scaling is a valid method of debating, whether you like it or not.”
    /
    No, I use powerscaling, I don’t see it usable here.
    I’m just tired of you using powerscaling all the time even on scans that aren’t reasonable.
    Power scaling is dependent on the situation.
    We could, by powerscaling, show that DBZ characters can tank planet busting attacks, yet, it’s unreasonable.
    /
    “He’s fought planet busting characters on at least 5 different occasions, and at least half those times his opponents weren’t holding back. and at least half of those times he WON.”
    /
    At least 5?
    I counted 3, and those weren’t wins. I didn’t see him win against Larfleeze
    Look at his win to loss ratio against Superman.
    If you noticed, he has lost more times against a Supes holding back.
    /
    “Had this been any other unknown character, everyone would have instantly accepted him as being on the same tier as those people.
    But since he’s Lex Luthor, a mere human (gasp), that everyone thinks of as a weakling, you’re all struggling to accept that his Power Suit is actually up there.”
    /
    *Looks at my post, then looks back*
    Actually up there? As in at least planet level?
    You’re stretching it too far. None of Lex’s feats are close to that.
    /
    “I agree i haven’t shown speed feats, but how are the Power Scaling fights NOT durability feats?
    You baffle me.”
    /
    Considering that the scans you posted aren’t showing him getting hit, except for Larfleeze having a brief fight with Lex. That blast wasn’t even star level.
    /
    “An E.M.P literally means electro magnetic pulse. If you take a basic science class, you’ll know it fucks with ELECTRICAL circuits. Which i don’t think the War Suit runs on.”
    /
    As I said before, just because you don’t use electricity, doesn’t mean E.M.P. won’t affect you. Master Chief doesn’t run on electricity. He runs on a fustion reactor, and he still gets affected by E.M.P.
    Nevermind that I mentioned Lex Luthor has a control system, program systems, and force fields that will get hit by E.M.P.
    /
    “Also, considering he went up against Braniac, a hacker & technician that’s a few trillion times better than Stark… You’d think he had that figured out already.”
    /
    It doesn’t show Braniac attempting to hack his war suit, your point?
    /
    “Oh i dunno, hitting him harder.”
    /
    The sym suit will just take over Lex’s technology.

  25. Kitten Lord April 30, 2015 at 4:47 am -      #125

    Guys….guys…….all your cosmic bricks, ironmans, thanos, superman, their nice characters and all but nothing compared to Kain, they would not want to piss him off…….

    i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/815/lol-guy.jpg

    Also its marvel in this thread right, not DC?

  26. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 4:49 am -      #126

    “So more than half of the War Suits showings have been against high tier DC bricks. That’s a higher level of consistency in terms of power than 90% of comic characters.
    So how can you say none of them “count”?
    Each and every one of those fights just makes it more likely that the other feats are perfectly valid & not PiS.
    They all compliment each other in terms of realism on the suits power level.”
    /
    I can say that it doesn’t count simply by saying that Larfleeze wasn’t hitting him with a star level attack and that Larfleeze is weak. Powerscaling works both ways.
    /
    “He fought Larfleeze, Supergirl, Superman (more than once), Braniac, Alexander (Shazam), Ultraman, Flash…
    Majority of the time, those characters weren’t holding back against him.
    And a couple of those times he actually won.”
    /
    The only one he won against is Braniac, and that was for outsmarting him.
    /
    “All of those characters are generally in the same criteria. Including base Superman.
    Anywhere from Continent Busting (low end) all the way up to potential Star Busting (high end).
    Luthor also barely has any “low-end” showings compared to those characters.”
    /
    On the other hand, Lex Luthor wasn’t shown to tank any of those on any scans.
    /
    “Ironman on the other hand, is mountain busting at best. Multi-nuke tanking at best. And has FAR worse & more low-end showings than Luthor.
    And he’s pretty much NEVER held a prolonged fight against high tier bricks with his standard gear.”
    /
    LoL
    So you use powerscaling to up Lex while you use powerscaling to lower Ironman. I see how it works.
    /
    “So… What’s there left to debate?”
    /
    Lex Luthor still.
    /
    “With prep-time, yea, maybe Stark wins.
    But that wasn’t the Scenario that Deathbattle presented, and thus i disagree with their outcome.”
    /
    The scenario Death Battle presented seems legit to me, Jake, Bombad, and Friendly.
    I guess we are at a disagreement.

  27. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 4:51 am -      #127

    “Also its marvel in this thread right, not DC?”
    /
    Ironman is Marvel, so it’s half on topic.
    /
    My other comment is in moderation.

  28. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 5:02 am -      #128

    @AoO
    “So I can say Batman is in that tier.”

    Find me scans of Batman going toe to toe with 7 Superman tier characters.
    I dare you.

    “There’s a ton of fights where I see Gladiator duke it down with Thor several times, takes down Drax several times, several Hulk vs Gladiator.
    Gladiator has fought them consistently while there’s no holding back”

    Gladiator only fought Thor twice afaik. (and one of them was an alternate reality)
    Gladiator only fought Drax once afaik.
    Gladiator only fought Hulk once afaik.
    Gladiator fought Hyperion once too.

    So… How is that ANY different than Lex fighting:
    Larfleeze twice.
    Alexander once.
    Kara once.
    Braniac once.
    Ultraman once.
    Flash once.
    Clark multiple times.

    And as i said, majority of those characters had 0 reason to be holding back. They were out for blood.
    Can’t you see how one sided & hypocritical you’re being?
    When your EXACT same argument, word to word, can be used to support Lex?
    If anything, Lex’s War Suit is MORE consistent.

    “I just think you’re interpreting these fights as 100% legit. I think you’re forgetting that Superman drastically holds back, which leads to him be defeated by some opponents he shouldn’t be losing to.”

    So you’re basically calling 8-9 fights against Superman tier characters all “not legit”… Because Superman always holds back…
    Umm.. Take a step back and think about that logic for a second… And then get back to me.

    “I’m just tired of you using powerscaling all the time even on scans that aren’t reasonable.
    Power scaling is dependent on the situation.”

    Despite Lex clearly tanking punches, kicks, and energy blasts?
    I’m tired of you constantly arguing against them without having any basis to do so AT ALL.

    The Mephisto vs Galactus fight had some basis to it. You said it looked like Mephisto was deflecting the blasts rather than tanking them.
    There is NO such basis for you to be calling ALL of these fights bullshit.

    Heck, you can go ahead and call them bullshit all you want, but the fact of the matter remains that Lex’s War Suit has rather CONSISTENT fights against a rather CONSISTENT tier of opponents.
    And he holds his own rather well.

    “We could, by powerscaling, show that DBZ characters can tank planet busting attacks, yet, it’s unreasonable.”

    YOU have to provide a REASON for why each and every one of them is unreasonable.
    Otherwise powerscaling DOES apply, whether you want it to or not.

    So far, you haven’t said jack shit aside form “Superman holds back”, which is literally retarded considering the other fights i posted.

    “Not Lex considering that Supes holds back against him. We don’t see planet busting hits being thrown at Lex.”

    And we didn’t see Thor use planet busting hits against Gladiator.
    And we didn’t see Hulk use planet busting hits against Gladiator.
    And we didn’t see Hyperion use planet busting hits against Gladiator.
    And we didn’t see Drax use planet busting hits against Gladiator.

    But we KNOW all those characters are capable of it, and for a character to put up a fight against them, he HAS to be on par. Specially if they aren’t holding back.
    And the CONSISTENCY of it is just MORE PROOF that it’s perfectly valid & not unreasonable.

    “At least 5?
    I counted 3, and those weren’t wins. I didn’t see him win against Larfleeze”

    You counted 3? AoO… Can you count? Are your eyes okay? Or your brain?
    I’m seriously worried about you now.

    As for the wins, i said he won a couple of them. Not all.
    Which tbh, is MORE than enough evidence that he can hold his own against characters of that tier.

    “Considering that the scans you posted aren’t showing him getting hit, except for Larfleeze having a brief fight with Lex.”

    HAHAHAHAH
    HAHAHAHAAHAHAH
    Okay, you have an error in your eyes… Or brain…
    Figure your shit out and get back to me.

    “He took a hit from Larfleeze? Yes.
    He took a star level hit? No. That much should be obvious.”

    Since when do characters NEED to caus mass destruction around them for their hits to be powerful?
    You’re talking nonsense at this point.

    Did Thor bust Earth when he killed Sentry? No, the attack left a tiny ass crater the size of a house.
    Despite us having canon undeniable evidence that Sentry can tank planet busting attacks without a scratch.

    Did the Serpent destroy Earth when he killed Thor? No, the attack literally didn’t leave ANY destruction around them.
    Despite us having canon undeniable evidence that Thor can survive Supernovas.

    So stop saying Lex can’t tank big hits, despite him getting HIT by BIG HITTERS, who had NO reason to be holding back… Just because YOU don’t think he can handle it.

    Your argument is quite pathetic at this point.

  29. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 5:14 am -      #129

    @AoO
    “It doesn’t show Braniac attempting to hack his war suit, your point?”

    But Lex has shown to hack others. Such as Batmans hellbat suit.
    So Ironman hacks him… He just hacks it back… Or he just hacks Ironman… Or he just blocks the hack.
    Fact of the matter is, you can’t prove who’s “better” at it.
    Only that they’re both capable of doing it, and thus capable of avoiding it.

    Lets not forget they’re both using technology totally alien to the opposition.

    “The sym suit will just take over Lex’s technology.”

    Proof it can take over alien tech its never encountered or heard of before?

    “As I said before, just because you don’t use electricity, doesn’t mean E.M.P. won’t affect you.”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse
    Umm… Yea, that’s exactly what it means.

    “Master Chief doesn’t run on electricity. He runs on a fustion reactor, and he still gets affected by E.M.P.”

    That really just means that E.M.Ps are rather different & specific in the Haloverse.
    Can you prove Ironmans work the same way?

    Post before this is in Moderation.

  30. Limbo Lowk April 30, 2015 at 5:22 am -      #130

    “While, Lowk pointed out that it was a quick recharge(so it means he was still holding back), comics have shown that gaps of power have happen in short amount of time.”

    He wasn’t holding back, he was just under red sunlight.
    Also pretty sure this was after a majority of planetary level stuff(h’el, earth 5 days thing, etc). Even then this was the issue right before he was taking on a guy who punted half a deathstar expy away.

  31. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 5:23 am -      #131

    Anyways, in AlphaorOmegas own words from post #124,
    “There’s a ton of fights where I see Gladiator duke it down with Thor several times, takes down Drax several times, several Hulk vs Gladiator.
    Gladiator has fought them consistently while there’s no holding back”

    Now i already replied to this in my rather long post (#127, which is currently under moderation).
    And i’m planning on hitting the hay.

    I’m quite sure AoO is going to continue this bullshit argument for the sake of continuing the argument, and because this is a debating site after all.
    But by saying this quote, you’ve basically dug your own grave.

    You say Gladiator can be power scaled, because you’ve seen him “duke it out” with Thor tier characters several times.
    Because he fights them “consistently”
    While they’re “not holding back”

    Well, Luthors War Suit dukes it out with Superman tier characters several times. More times than Galadiator has done it actually.
    He fights them consistently.
    And majority of those characters were not holding back.

    So ffs, stop this retarded argument.
    You’re being the epitomy of a hypocrite right now.
    And your sole purpose for continuing this debate is because you don’t want to admit something that’s right in front of you.

    Ironman would beat Lex with prep? Sure, probably.
    Ironmans symbiote armor would beat Lex with some hax tech takeover bullshit? Sure, maybe, not bothered to get into it right now, nor do i know enough about the symbiote suit.

    But the fact remains that Lex CAN be powerscaled by the PLENTY of Superman tier characters that he CONSISTENTLY & REPEATEDLY fought.
    And that’s that.

  32. Limbo Lowk April 30, 2015 at 5:25 am -      #132

    On Halo, I don’t think the emp effect the power source. It just mess with all the other electronics in the suit like the visor or whatever emits the shields.

  33. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 6:13 am -      #133

    “But Lex has shown to hack others. Such as Batmans hellbat suit.
    So Ironman hacks him… He just hacks it back… Or he just hacks Ironman… Or he just blocks the hack.
    Fact of the matter is, you can’t prove who’s “better” at it.
    Only that they’re both capable of doing it, and thus capable of avoiding it.”
    Lets not forget they’re both using technology totally alien to the opposition.
    /
    That still leaves the Sym suit then.
    /
    “Proof it can take over alien tech its never encountered or heard of before?”
    /
    While the suit is from Apocalypse, it’s still tweaked by Luthor. It’s not full alien. It’s still Lexcorp tech.
    /
    “You say Gladiator can be power scaled, because you’ve seen him “duke it out” with Thor tier characters several times.
    Because he fights them “consistently”
    While they’re “not holding back””
    /
    You’re taking my words the wrong way. I did not say their tier level several times. I specifically mentioned the people.
    The reason why he can scale from Thor is because he fought Thor several times.
    Lex cannot scale from Larfleeze since he doesn’t fight him more than once.
    He can scale from Hulk because he fought him more than once.
    Lex cannot scale from Braniac, since he fought him only once.
    Like you said, powerscaling works if there’s no PIS and if they fought this person consistently with equal footing.
    Under that logic, Batman moves up to metahuman just from facing several people in that tier once or twice.
    /
    “Umm… Yea, that’s exactly what it means.
    That really just means that E.M.Ps are rather different & specific in the Haloverse.
    Can you prove Ironmans work the same way?”
    /
    Wut? Last time I checked, and being the frequent Halo fan, the E.M.P.’s are the same thing as ours. It has the same characteristics, purpose, and all that.
    /
    And last time I checked, the warsuit still has a control system and shielding. The E.M.P. should work on those.
    /
    “Well, Luthors War Suit dukes it out with Superman tier characters several times. More times than Galadiator has done it actually.
    He fights them consistently.
    And majority of those characters were not holding back.”
    /
    And he didn’t win most of the time.
    His consistent fights with Superman show that he doesn’t win usually.
    /
    He had a short fight with Larfleeze where Larfleeze just shot him with one blast. If they had a drawn out fight, Larfleeze would probably win.
    This is equivalent to saying Spiderman can be powerscaled from Thor since he had a short skirmish with him.
    /
    Also, it wasn’t even a fight with Supergirl
    arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/supergirl1.jpg
    arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/supergirl2.jpg
    It was more like a trap for Supergirl since he sent her an invitation and got hit by kryptonite.
    Supergirl didn’t hit Lex or speedblitz him, I don’t see how you can powerscale durability and speed, it doesn’t help that she’s also weak to kryptonite.
    /

    /
    “So ffs, stop this retarded argument.
    You’re being the epitomy of a hypocrite right now.
    And your sole purpose for continuing this debate is because you don’t want to admit something that’s right in front of you.”
    /
    First of all, I didn’t change my argument on how power scaling works.
    You said if a character fights this character consistently, powerscaling applied. Lex only faced these opponents once, and then, you changed it to tier level instead.
    My argument wasn’t based on tiers, but the characters Gladiator face consistently.
    Also, Hulk isn’t on the same tier as Thor when he’s not as angry as I mentioned.
    /
    Also, while you have proof that their intent was to kill, you have no proof that they were going all out.
    Supergirl is hindered by kryptonite as shown in the fight with Lex and there was no fight at all.
    You gave me a half-truth here and there.
    Supergirl didn’t fight Lex, and there was literally only 3 pages of Larfleeze vs Lex.
    Why should I trust you?
    /
    @Lowk
    “He wasn’t holding back, he was just under red sunlight.
    Also pretty sure this was after a majority of planetary level stuff(h’el, earth 5 days thing, etc). Even then this was the issue right before he was taking on a guy who punted half a deathstar expy away.”
    /
    Ah, I apologize then, for the two misunderstandings I made. Still, it shows that he wasn’t at his best if he was under red sunlight.
    /
    “On Halo, I don’t think the emp effect the power source. It just mess with all the other electronics in the suit like the visor or whatever emits the shields.”
    /
    Lex’s suit still has a control system and forcefields though. The E.M.P. should effect those.

  34. Limbo Lowk April 30, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #134

    ” The E.M.P. should effect those.”

    Just found out EMP only slows the armor down, his energy projection stuff however is fully insulated. At least for his current armor.
    ===
    Also when did the liquid suit take over technology?

  35. Limbo Lowk April 30, 2015 at 3:47 pm -      #135

    Slightly more on topic. Marvel just has to send in the mutants. By the end the potterverse will be as sick of them showing up as Maria Hill
    s28.postimg.org/oc598yogd/013.jpg

  36. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #136

    “Find me scans of Batman going toe to toe with 7 Superman tier characters.
    I dare you.”
    /
    7 scans so you can put my post in moderation?
    No thank you. I’m already posting feats for the Gladiator.
    Pre-52.
    -Batman vs Darkseid. Shot Darkseid before his omega beams reached the Bat. Something, that travels the speed of light, gets out sped by radioactive bullet and Darkseid didn’t even dodge.
    -Batman vs Superman. Superman was brainwashed and going all out on Bruce. Batman wasn’t torn in half and only had heat vision burns on his chest, finger prints on his neck from choking, and a black eye. Batman fought for his life like he usually does and usually recovers.
    Not what you expect from baseline Superman who breaks planets, especially if he’s brainwashed.
    -Batman and Superman vs Captain Atom, Major Force, StarFire, Black Lightning and Green Lantern(John Stewart). Forgot the lady’s name with the two swords and PowerGirl was sitting out. Batman was holding his own in that fight.
    -In that same comic, Batman and Superman fought against against Captain Marvel and Hawkman.
    Captain Marvel dukes out evenly with Supes, and Hawkman had a mace that hits hard like a planet.
    New52
    -Batman was trading blows with Superman and made him bleed even though he wasn’t augmented to planet levels to take Supes.
    /
    “Gladiator only fought Thor twice afaik. (and one of them was an alternate reality)
    Gladiator only fought Drax once afaik.
    Gladiator only fought Hulk once afaik.
    Gladiator fought Hyperion once too.”
    /
    You do know that Gladiator was showing feats in his fights, right?
    Gladiator wasn’t just slugging punches. When he grabbed Drax, he flew him out to space in two panels. Can’t find the scans, but basically, Gladiator puts Drax on trial, Drax demands a fight against Gladiator, Drax thinks he’s winning, then Gladiator takes him to space and tells him he was “toying” with him.
    Another speed feat was after launching Thor flying, he immediately runs around him after he sent him flying as shown from him being behind Thor. And, we know that Gladiator has planet busting and planet moving strength.
    s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpg.html
    In his fight against Hyperion, we are told by the narrator(that isn’t a character in the story, no, the outside narrator), that they were trading blows in nanoseconds.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4199727-8151799547-41613.jpg
    In his fight against Hulk, he took no damage from re-entry while he was already knocked out.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67330/1796875-gladiator_hulk_2.jpg
    These could be against normal humans, and he would still be having feats since they weren’t from his opponents but from a narrator or visual evidence. Not powerscaling.
    Also, you do know that Gladiator planet busting attack was not from his fights right? Granted, it took more than one hit.
    i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/GladPlanet1.jpg
    Here, he outright states that he moved through stars and moved whole planets after Collosus tries to harm him with a pillar(which obviously didn’t work)
    i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/GladPower1.jpg
    Lex Luthor displays none of these in his fights.
    /
    “So… How is that ANY different than Lex fighting:
    Larfleeze twice.
    Alexander once.
    Kara once.
    Braniac once.
    Ultraman once.
    Flash once.
    Clark multiple times.
    And as i said, majority of those characters had 0 reason to be holding back. They were out for blood.
    Can’t you see how one sided & hypocritical you’re being?
    When your EXACT same argument, word to word, can be used to support Lex?
    If anything, Lex’s War Suit is MORE consistent.”
    /
    Aside from the fact that Gladiator was showing feats rather than going full slugfest, Lex hasn’t displayed these feats.
    Half truth there too btw. Supergirl was hit by kryptonite and was invited there in the first place. She wasn’t in the intent to kill.
    He didn’t really fight Brainiac. All he did was snap his neck. That wasn’t a fight.
    He had a short fight with Larfleeze. How is that even a feat? We even see the crater Larfleeze makes from hitting Luthor’s force field and he’s dealing attacks
    N52
    Alexander literally says he’s better than him, and Lex agrees. It even looks more like Alexander is gloating to Lex while he wants Lex to suffer. It doesn’t put Lex on that tier.
    Ultraman throws a tree(of all things) and wrecks his arm that shoots solar energy. That doesn’t look like tanking to me.
    Last time I checked, Flash isn’t planet busting, he defeats tougher foes by speed blitzing them.
    His suit’s helmet is literally getting cracked as Flash speed blitz him too.
    /
    “So you’re basically calling 8-9 fights against Superman tier characters all “not legit”… Because Superman always holds back…
    Umm.. Take a step back and think about that logic for a second… And then get back to me.”
    /
    Yes, it’s not like Superman has morales that is pretty well known to DC fans or not.
    /
    “Despite Lex clearly tanking punches, kicks, and energy blasts?
    I’m tired of you constantly arguing against them without having any basis to do so AT ALL.”
    /
    As I said before, yes, he’s taking blows, but you have yet to prove that he’s taking blows on that calibur.
    /
    “The Mephisto vs Galactus fight had some basis to it. You said it looked like Mephisto was deflecting the blasts rather than tanking them.
    There is NO such basis for you to be calling ALL of these fights bullshit.”
    /
    While that was true, their fight was literally a feat since we see galaxies shaking. We only see punches and blasts being traded with little destructive feats.
    /
    “Heck, you can go ahead and call them bullshit all you want, but the fact of the matter remains that Lex’s War Suit has rather CONSISTENT fights against a rather CONSISTENT tier of opponents.
    And he holds his own rather well.”
    /
    But he doesn’t hold his own in that tier, and holding his own? He got beat up in those scans there.
    Pre-52/New52 Superman holds back
    New 52 Alexander was literally having no effort in trashing him.
    Pre-52 Supergirl was invited to a trap.
    Ultraman wrecked him.
    Flash literally broke his helmet by speed-blitzing him.
    Larfleeze had a goddang short fight.
    /
    “YOU have to provide a REASON for why each and every one of them is unreasonable.
    Otherwise powerscaling DOES apply, whether you want it to or not.”
    /
    Except there was.
    Vegeta was going to shoot a planet busting attack on earth.
    Goku shot an attack that was stronger.
    Vegeta survived. That seems reasonable for planet busting level durability, but we don’t count that.
    /
    “So far, you haven’t said jack shit aside form “Superman holds back”, which is literally retarded considering the other fights i posted.”
    /
    You’re the one exaggerating his “fights”(some of them aren’t even fights)
    /
    “And we didn’t see Thor use planet busting hits against Gladiator.
    And we didn’t see Hulk use planet busting hits against Gladiator.
    And we didn’t see Hyperion use planet busting hits against Gladiator.
    And we didn’t see Drax use planet busting hits against Gladiator.”
    /
    We see the fight against Hyperion is in nanoseconds.
    We see that re-entry does nothing even when Gladiator is knocked out.
    We see Gladiator have proof of planet busting attack and durability.
    We see Gladiator able to circle around a man after launching him.
    We see Gladiator easily able to carry a man to space in a few seconds, if not way less.
    /
    “But we KNOW all those characters are capable of it, and for a character to put up a fight against them, he HAS to be on par. Specially if they aren’t holding back.
    And the CONSISTENCY of it is just MORE PROOF that it’s perfectly valid & not unreasonable.”
    /
    We see Lex getting trashed by Flash, Alexander and Ultraman when they’re not holding back. Lex wasn’t on par.
    Superman defeats him even when holding back.
    Lex invited Supergirl to a trap and pounded her after hitting her with kryptonite.
    /
    “You counted 3? AoO… Can you count? Are your eyes okay? Or your brain?
    I’m seriously worried about you now.”
    /
    I was referring to Pre-52 fights and that was before you posted those New 52 scans.
    And I was referring to “actual fights.”
    /
    “As for the wins, i said he won a couple of them. Not all.
    Which tbh, is MORE than enough evidence that he can hold his own against characters of that tier.”
    /
    Pre-52
    He didn’t win against Supergirl(this one wasn’t even a fight, it was a trap) or Larfleeze in a fight.
    Brainiac wasn’t even attacking him, and he got his neck snapped.
    New-52
    He only won against Alexander when he got up close and basically allowed Lex to shout his transformation.
    /
    “HAHAHAHAH
    HAHAHAHAAHAHAH
    Okay, you have an error in your eyes… Or brain…
    Figure your shit out and get back to me.”
    /
    Nice loaded question.
    Nevermind the fact that I was referring to his Pre-52 incarnation, talking about legitimate fights, and I posted it while your comments showing N52 Feats were in moderation.
    Thank you for your kind behavior.
    /
    “Since when do characters NEED to caus mass destruction around them for their hits to be powerful?
    You’re talking nonsense at this point.”
    /
    Gladiator fights show destruction.
    The Galactus vs Mephisto showed destruction.
    Heck, even Superman vs the Elite showed destruction.
    /
    “Did Thor bust Earth when he killed Sentry? No, the attack left a tiny ass crater the size of a house.
    Despite us having canon undeniable evidence that Sentry can tank planet busting attacks without a scratch.”
    /
    Sentry has shown feats outside of fights.
    I have no idea why you’re bringing up a fight.
    Also, the Sentry was asking to be killed after realizing the destruction he made.
    /
    “Did the Serpent destroy Earth when he killed Thor? No, the attack literally didn’t leave ANY destruction around them.
    Despite us having canon undeniable evidence that Thor can survive Supernovas.”
    /
    Except that same Serpent was described as able that is able to destroy midgard, or earth.
    /
    “So stop saying Lex can’t tank big hits, despite him getting HIT by BIG HITTERS, who had NO reason to be holding back… Just because YOU don’t think he can handle it.”
    /
    I provided evidence of why he can’t handle it and why some of the fights weren’t even fights.
    You used half-truth fallacies on me.
    /
    “Your argument is quite pathetic at this point.”
    /
    Your argument is based on half-truths and assumptions. Thanks for playing.

  37. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #137

    Goddang it.
    I promised myself to not put my comment in moderation by posting only 5 links for Gladiator.
    Well, I guess that’s what happens when you quote a comment that’s was in moderation before hand.
    @Ragnorke.
    Basically, the comment that’s in moderation shows that the Gladiator has feats from his fights because of the narrator, destructive events, and speed feats, and the post addresses Lex’s “fights”.
    /
    @Lowk
    “Just found out EMP only slows the armor down, his energy projection stuff however is fully insulated. At least for his current armor.”
    /
    Alright, I’ll give him E.M.P. resistance for N52 Luthor, but I was talking mostly about Pre-52 Luthor.
    Still, even against the N52 Luthor, if it slows him down, it allows Ironman to receive less blows from Lex.
    /
    “Also when did the liquid suit take over technology?”
    /
    I’m having trouble finding the scans, but it was in the same comic with the scans Jake posted of symbiotic Ironman “beefing up.”
    One or two pages before hand, the symbiotic suit touches the Ironman armor his opponent is wearing, he instant shuts it down.

  38. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 9:06 pm -      #138

    @AoO
    “While the suit is from Apocalypse, it’s still tweaked by Luthor. It’s not full alien. It’s still Lexcorp tech.”

    Tweaking something doesn’t mean changing its chemical or physical composition tbh…
    So you just totally avoided the question. Has it worked on technology its never really encountered before?

    “I did not say their tier level several times. I specifically mentioned the people.”

    But Gladiator only fought Thor once. The other time was alternate universe. And he only fought Hulk once too. He only fought Drax once.
    Yet you still said it was okay to powerscale him.

    “Like you said, powerscaling works if there’s no PIS and if they fought this person consistently with equal footing.”

    BULL SHIT.
    If a character fights SEVEN people of a certain tier, some of them MORE THAN ONCE, and WINS against a couple… Then he is on that tier.

    You need to have a basis to call something PiS.
    You do not have any basis here.
    You’re running your argument on pure denial and nothing else.

    “Under that logic, Batman moves up to metahuman just from facing several people in that tier once or twice.”

    Batman hasn’t gone toe to toe with 7 top tier metahumans.
    I DARE you to prove this bullshit claim.

    “And he didn’t win most of the time.
    His consistent fights with Superman show that he doesn’t win usually.”

    Because NO ONE wins against Superman usually. That’s just Supermans character.
    And once again, for the dozenth time, i KNOW Lex didn’t win most of those fights.

    But he still went toe to toe with them, while most of them weren’t holding back, and STILL managed to win a couple.
    Why do i feel like i’m talking to someone that doesn’t understand the English Language properly?

    “You said if a character fights this character consistently, powerscaling applied. Lex only faced these opponents once, and then, you changed it to tier level instead.”

    Once again, this is bull shit.
    Mind me where in the BankGambling rules it says a character has to fight the SAME character consistently, for their fight to not be PiS.
    Go ahead, i’m waiting.

    For a fight to not be PiS, you just need evidence that the characters are on a relatively even footing.
    And in this case, every one of Lex’s fights provide evidence for his other fights, which are all against people with relatively the same footing.
    Common fucking sense AoO.

    “My argument wasn’t based on tiers, but the characters Gladiator face consistently.”

    The funny thing is, all the character that you named? Gladiator only faced them all once.
    Lex Luthor is literally more consistent in his fight feats than Gladiator is.

    “Also, while you have proof that their intent was to kill, you have no proof that they were going all out.”

    It’s your job to prove that they WEREN’T going all out.
    I can’t find you scans of them always saying “I’m going to go all out now! hur dur!”, nor is it my responsibility to find such scans.
    If the character was out for blood, we by default assume we would go all out. Feel free to prove otherwise for each of the scenarios.

    “Supergirl is hindered by kryptonite as shown in the fight with Lex and there was no fight at all.”

    Fair enough, that’s 1 of the seven out of the way for you.

    “Still, it shows that he wasn’t at his best if he was under red sunlight.”

    Superman has still busted planets while under red sunlight, and has still moved FTL, for the record.

    “He had a short fight with Larfleeze where Larfleeze just shot him with one blast. If they had a drawn out fight, Larfleeze would probably win.”

    It was two fights btw. Didn’t you notice the “rematch” on the cover page?
    And who cares if Larfleeze would have eventually won?
    Taking hits from someone, and hitting them back hard enough to stagger them, while the character has NO REASON TO BE HOLDING BACK, is called going toe to toe.
    And power scaling undoubtedly applies to it unless you can prove it was PiS, which is a concept that you haven’t even tickled on yet.

    “This is equivalent to saying Spiderman can be powerscaled from Thor since he had a short skirmish with him.”

    Find me an instance where Spiderman was fighting a Thor that had no reason to be holding back.
    Where Spiderman actually took hits from him, and hit him back hard enough for him to feel it.
    Go ahead. I dare you.

    There’s also the FACT that we know Spiderman & Thor aren’t and never have been on an equal footing. Because Spirderman doesn’t generally fight people on Thors tier. Thus making it PiS
    Whereas Lex DOES generally fight people at Supermans tier, which means he’s on a relatively equal footing. Thus it is not PiS.

    You keep giving these bullshit examples,
    Like scaling Batman, or scaling Spiderman, or your reasoning for scaling Gladiator…
    Yet ALL of those examples are complete and utter bullshit that you’re pulling out of your ass and hoping i wouldn’t notice.

    “Why should I trust you?”

    Because regardless of the few scans where he used Kryptonite against the Kryptonians, he has still shown himself a formidable opponent against characters of that tier.

    And that still puts him above base Ironman.

    And i repeat, maybe Ironman would win using some of the tech hax that you’re mentioning now, but Deathbattle never mentioned any of that.
    They made it sound like Ironman would win with sheer power & durability, which he would not.

    Also, it looks like you didn’t read post #128

  39. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 9:11 pm -      #139

    @AoO
    “Alright, I’ll give him E.M.P. resistance for N52 Luthor, but I was talking mostly about Pre-52 Luthor.”

    Wasn’t Deathbattle using composite Pre-Flashpoint & New52?
    That’s what they did for Superman, in the Superman vs Goku thread.
    They tend to avoid using pre-crises, caus that’s balls to the walls retarded, but everything else is fair game to them.

    Also… If New52 War Suit has anti EMP, so would Pre-Flashpoint.
    Lets just be a little logical here ffs.

    “One or two pages before hand, the symbiotic suit touches the Ironman armor his opponent is wearing, he instant shuts it down.”

    Umm… Wouldn’t that just be because Ironman KNOWS his own god damn tech?
    I thought you had scans of the symbiote taking over completely foreign machinery.

  40. Friendlysociopath April 30, 2015 at 9:45 pm -      #140

    I mean- Lex’s tech can’t be too alien for Tony to deal with because Lex was able to understand it – right?

    Am I looking at this wrong? If they’re both in the same area in regards to smarts, then shouldn’t Tony be able to grasp how the suit works just like Lex did? It was alien technology to Lex too, but he understood it well enough to modify it.

    Just because it’s from a different universe doesn’t inherently make it completely unknown technology and alien by default does it?

  41. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #141

    @Friendly
    Lex has already shown to ability to hack technology too though.
    Basically, if Tony tries hacking it, he just unhacks it.
    It isn’t really possible to prove who’s a better hacker.
    We just assume neither of them can hack each other.

    The other argument, was AoO claiming Tonys symbiote suit has the ability to just consume/control any technology that it encounters.
    And me not knowing much about the suit, believed him.

    It turns out now that the only demonstration of this ability was when the symbiote suite shut down an opponent that was wearing one of Tonys OWN armors.
    There’s no evidence the Symbiote can just “shut down” or “control” any technology. Let alone alien technology that Tony has no idea about.

    Being able to understand alien technology after study, and being able to simply make your symbiote shut it down instantly are quite different.
    AoO no longer has evidence that Tony can do the latter.

  42. Friendlysociopath April 30, 2015 at 10:06 pm -      #142

    It isn’t really possible to prove who’s a better hacker.

    Why not? Surely we could just compare feats just like everything else?
    Not to mention Tony has an AI, if Jarvis can help that should be able to double his prospective “hack attacks” against Luthor.

    There’s no evidence the Symbiote can just “shut down” or “control” any technology. Let alone alien technology that Tony has no idea about.

    Assuming Death Battle knew their stuff this time (I hope they did, I went out on a limb and used that for a Critical Thinking research paper since I sense an inner nerd in my professor) then that Symbiote Suit can absorb energy; apparently faster than other beings that absorb energy can counter-absorb it. Would that be able to get some energy from the Warsuit?

  43. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 10:09 pm -      #143

    “Why not? Surely we could just compare feats just like everything else?”

    Well Lex hacked into Batmans Hellbat suit without even trying, and managed to add some instant upgrades to it, which was Batmans most advanced suit in history.
    I’m not saying Lex can hack into Tonys suit, but he’s definitely smart enough to not let Tony hack into his either.

    ” then that Symbiote Suit can absorb energy; apparently faster than other beings that absorb energy can counter-absorb it. Would that be able to get some energy from the Warsuit?”

    That’s going into NLF territory. Saying something can just absorb “energy” without limits.
    Has it taken hits from Superman tier characters? Not that i know of.

  44. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 10:31 pm -      #144

    Alright, I concede.
    Lex beats Ironman and is on continent to star level tier.
    /
    However, I still want to point some things.
    I responded to post 128 with post 136.
    You’ll see some of the feats Gladiator has is from his fights, but it shows that he is capable of fighting in nanoseconds, carrying people to space, strong enough to destroy planets in a few punches, and move planets and go through stars according to his fight. His fights actually have feats since it’s visually shown or stated.
    /
    The Spiderman fighting Thor was this mentioned
    img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Thor_44718.jpg
    img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Thor_44801.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/2719498-1.jpg
    img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Thor_44803.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1342903-thorvsspiderman.jpg
    /
    But, a concession, is a concession.

  45. MatthiasTheWanderer April 30, 2015 at 10:32 pm -      #145

    “That’s going into NLF territory. Saying something can just absorb “energy” without limits.
    Has it taken hits from Superman tier characters? Not that i know of.”
    TBH, I don’t think we can say that Lex’s suit can either. The only character you’ve mentioned that even comes close to ‘Superman tier’ when talking about his highest points is Braniac… who’s more of a threat because of his intelligence than physical power, which is kind of equal to Superman low-balling, IIRC. If I’m wrong, post some similar physical feats, but otherwise, the only ‘Superman tier’ character I’ve seen it take hits from… is Superman. Who, outside of a few rare instances, is glaringly vulnerable to the Kryptonite Lex loves to employ at every possible opportunity.

    As an aside, I’m having serious issues with this site. It’s like it’s in stasis. Up until now, it would always pop up with the She-Thor thing as the latest battle, and the main page is still trying to tell me that the latest post on Taskmaster vs Deathstroke is 31. Help?

  46. Alpha or Omega April 30, 2015 at 10:40 pm -      #146

    “I’m having serious issues with this site. It’s like it’s in stasis. Up until now, it would always pop up with the She-Thor thing as the latest battle, and the main page is still trying to tell me that the latest post on Taskmaster vs Deathstroke is 31. Help?”
    /
    I’m having a similar problem.
    Everytime I go to this site, it’s stuck on Thing vs Kratos with the latest post being someone on Search and Destroy.
    However, it goes away once I log on.

  47. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #147

    @MatthiasTheWanderer
    “TBH, I don’t think we can say that Lex’s suit can either. The only character you’ve mentioned that even comes close to ‘Superman tier’ when talking about his highest points is Braniac”

    Alexander/Shazam? Who was above pretty much everyone else on Earth, including Ultraman, Black Adam, & Martian Manmanhunter.

    Flash? Who when using his superspeed can hit with ridiculously high forces. I believe Superman described it as being hit by a dwarf star. (He was using his superspeed when fighting Luthor, and he was bloodlusted at the time. Under mind control i believe)

    Ultraman? Who’s basically just evil Superman. And being evil generally comes with the morals of not caring about holding back.

    Larfleeze? The embodiment of Greed in the DC universe. He’s one of the most powerful Lanterns around. (beat the shit out of Hal Jordan & Atrocious) Lex fought him twice.

    Supergirl & Superman, it’s true Lex usually only engages them while they’re weakened. But even in their weakened states they have planetbusting & FTL feats. (Under Red Suns, and While near Kryptonite)
    Nonetheless, Lex still has fought Superman under even terms. Granted Superman was holding back, but when a Star Busting character is holding back… He’s still be quite the threat.

    As for Braniac, he has often been a physical equal to a standard Superman.

    Lets not forget Lex Luthor was smart enough to tweak Batmans suit to give it a fighting chance against Darkseid. (It actually ended up knocking Darkseid out for a bit)
    So there’s no reason he can’t similarly tweak his own suit. If he hasn’t already.

    Lex isn’t High Tier Superman level. That’s obvious.
    But he is Low Tier Superman level, and i stand by that.

    Are you new btw? Can’t say i’v ever seen you here before.

    “As an aside, I’m having serious issues with this site. It’s like it’s in stasis. Up until now, it would always pop up with the She-Thor thing as the latest battle,”

    Having the same exact issue.
    And ALL my comments for the last two days have been awaiting moderation.
    It’s getting rather annoying.

  48. Ragnorke April 30, 2015 at 11:09 pm -      #148

    @AoO
    “Lex beats Ironman”

    In terms of sheer durability & power he does.
    Ironman could pull off a win with speed, since Lex has no reaction time feats.
    But his movement speed is still enough to travel through vast distances in space.

    “and is on continent to star level tier”

    I’m sensing sarcasm, and to some degree it’s understandable.
    I’m not saying Lex is on Star Level, only that he has fought people on that level.
    Larfleeze forexample is really close to Star Level, and he had absolutely no reason to be holding back against Lex.
    Same goes for Alexander, Ultraman, Braniac,

    And anyhow, you need to understand that it’s an armor made by DARKSEID, one of DCs most powerful beings. A multiversal embodiment of death.
    Add that to the fact that Lex has close to Tony Stark level intellect, and it makes perfect sense for his Suit to be on par with Cosmic Bricks.

    “The Spiderman fighting Thor was this mentioned”

    I asked for scans of Spiderman fighting a Thor that wasn’t holding back.
    Thor is very clearly holding back in those scans. Not to mention him being on Earth, where he says he’d never use his full power anyways, even if it meant his own death.
    Lex however fights other villains, who don’t give a shit about him, humans, or earth.

  49. Aelfinn May 1, 2015 at 12:27 am -      #149

    “I’m having a similar problem.”

    Thank God I’m not the only one. I’m stuck on Angela vs. She-Thor before I log in.

  50. MatthiasTheWanderer May 1, 2015 at 1:26 am -      #150

    Hmm… fair enough. I can’t say I agree, but at this point I think we’re just bickering about who’s badass, haxorz powers win them the fight, and I see where you’re coming from.

    “Are you new btw? Can’t say i’v ever seen you here before.”

    I think you have, it’s just been a really long time. I found the site, debated for a while, got a match posted and it just turned into a huge slugfest that turned me off the whole thing. I started checking in on fights again recently, and I only just started getting comfortable with posting again. The new avatar might also be a factor, up until today I just had one of the standard ones, an inverted blue triangle.

  51. Alpha or Omega May 1, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #151

    “In terms of sheer durability & power he does.
    Ironman could pull off a win with speed, since Lex has no reaction time feats.
    But his movement speed is still enough to travel through vast distances in space.”
    /
    Speed only matters if you’re fast enough to pull of a speed blitz, and if you can dish out hits hard enough to hurt.
    Sure, Ironman may be faster, but Lex Luthor is a tank, and we know that Ironman doesn’t deal out constant nuclear strikes from his attacks. He can only tank them.
    He doesn’t have what it takes to scratch Lex.
    /
    “I’m sensing sarcasm, and to some degree it’s understandable.
    I’m not saying Lex is on Star Level, only that he has fought people on that level.
    Larfleeze forexample is really close to Star Level, and he had absolutely no reason to be holding back against Lex.
    Same goes for Alexander, Ultraman, Braniac,”
    /
    I wasn’t sarcastic. I conceded and realized I was wrong.
    Right, but the thing is, Larfleeze does deal star-level/solar level blows. Lex Luthor is taking blows from a Larfleeze that was going all out, and not to mention, Larfleeze wanted what Lex had taken.
    /
    “And anyhow, you need to understand that it’s an armor made by DARKSEID, one of DCs most powerful beings. A multiversal embodiment of death.
    Add that to the fact that Lex has close to Tony Stark level intellect, and it makes perfect sense for his Suit to be on par with Cosmic Bricks.”
    /
    Which supports why it’s on continent to star level.
    Darkseid made it so that he could take on Superman. If not, it would be the same result, like sending a car against Superman.
    /
    “I asked for scans of Spiderman fighting a Thor that wasn’t holding back.
    Thor is very clearly holding back in those scans. Not to mention him being on Earth, where he says he’d never use his full power anyways, even if it meant his own death.”
    /
    Except that we see Thor is “starting to wear down” and he will “end up sucking the floor”.
    Spiderman doesn’t deal out the same destructive feats as Thor’s enemies. We’ve seen what some of Thor’s enemies can do, and they don’t tire Thor especially if they send him flying away. He flies back only annoyed or angry and beats the mofo out of them unless they are on the same level as Thor.
    Spiderman shouldn’t have been doing that at all.

  52. Nsl98 May 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm -      #152

    @Alpha
    There are lots of things Spidey has done that he just shouldn’t be able to do:

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111327/3073135-2987236-2659634-spider_man_vs._firelord__11.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115150/3538595-8341746637-33660.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/2424679-Superman-vs.-the-Amazing-Spider-Man-pg-50.jpg

    ^Just some Spidey scans I find funny.

  53. Jake_Uzumaki May 1, 2015 at 4:59 pm -      #153

    to be fair the Galactus scan Spidey had Beyonder’s powers

  54. TheSorrow May 1, 2015 at 5:27 pm -      #154

    You know a match is a lost cause when everyone is debating something entirely different to the main subject.

  55. Alpha or Omega May 1, 2015 at 5:32 pm -      #155

    @TheSorrow
    Apologies. I am sorry for being off-topic.

  56. Friendlysociopath May 1, 2015 at 5:39 pm -      #156

    Apologies. I am sorry for being off-topic.

    Eh, it happens for a stomp like this- thread gets turned into a chat room.

  57. sadot06 May 1, 2015 at 5:59 pm -      #157

    “Thank God I’m not the only one. I’m stuck on Angela vs. She-Thor before I log in.”

    That happens to me when I use Google Chrome to access the site. In Firefox it used to be thing vs Kratos but now that’s fixed. So if I use Chrome I have to click on duels to get the updated everything. By the way, I’d love your contribution to my epic crossover trilogy in the forums.

  58. Darth Bombad May 1, 2015 at 6:31 pm -      #158

    i’m still getting Thing vs Kratos, it was fine yesterday i wake up today and boom.
    Google’s still clean though no problems, and what happened to the edit button?.

  59. Nsl98 May 1, 2015 at 7:35 pm -      #159

    to be fair the Galactus scan Spidey had Beyonder’s powers

    It’s still funny. Especially when it’s taken out of context.

  60. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 1, 2015 at 10:59 pm -      #160

    Mildly relevant, how trustworthy should we trust Stark to be? If he described someone as being capable of knocking over a city in an inner monologue, for example, should we take his word for it?

  61. Nsl98 May 2, 2015 at 12:18 am -      #161

    @CH1
    Well, he is considered top 5 smartest Human Minds in Marvel, right?

    And doesn’t he make a habit of studying the Superhumans around him? He knows most of them personally and has even built (unsuccessful) Buster armors against some. Also being apart of the Illuminati.

    I think we should.

  62. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 2, 2015 at 12:28 am -      #162

    @Nsl Well, I think so too, but I figured I’d get some second, third, forth, etc opinions before bringing up the quote in mind. Although, my example is a lot less drastic than what he says, but I figured I couldn’t use the quote to ask the question.

    I’d just rather have people agree that he’s reliable before posting the quote and then people backing out and saying, “No, we shouldn’t take his word for it,”

  63. Ragnorke May 2, 2015 at 1:19 am -      #163

    Well, Ironman has been wrong before. He’s underestimated people before. Hasn’t known their true potential before. It certainly isn’t impossible.

    The advantage of being inner monologue is that it’s impossible for him to be lying. And much less likely for it to be Hyperbole, although not impossible.
    Many people still use figure of speeches and Hyperboles when talking to themselves (probably myself included)

    It comes down to the circumstance again doesn’t it?
    It isn’t something we can all just agree to blindly.

  64. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 2, 2015 at 2:26 am -      #164

    “Well, Ironman has been wrong before. He’s underestimated people before. Hasn’t known their true potential before. It certainly isn’t impossible.”

    Well, I’d be scared to think this was an underestimation.
    =
    “The advantage of being inner monologue is that it’s impossible for him to be lying. And much less likely for it to be Hyperbole, although not impossible.
    Many people still use figure of speeches and Hyperboles when talking to themselves (probably myself included)”

    Which is why I figured I’d ask and give an example just to see the overall census.
    =
    “It comes down to the circumstance again doesn’t it?
    It isn’t something we can all just agree to blindly.”

    Figured, but I thought I’d ask and provide an example that was similar to what he said.

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