Nico di Angelo Vs Link

Nico di Angelo Vs Link

Suggested by Nsl98

Nico di Angelo, first time here (Percy Jackson) goes up against Link (Legend of Zelda)

Link is in his Twilight Princess incarnation.

They encounter each other in Walnut Grove.

Who will win?

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53 Comments on "Nico di Angelo Vs Link"

  1. Rookie April 14, 2015 at 2:27 am -      #1

    What can Nico do?

  2. LadyRamkin April 14, 2015 at 2:55 am -      #2

    Match starts, Link:
    Shoots Nico with an arrow
    Shoots Nico with a Bomb
    Shoots Nico with his claw shots
    Throws a Bomb at him
    Link wins.

    If None of that works:
    Nico summons a 1000 undead all with machine guns.
    Nico wins.

  3. Rookie April 14, 2015 at 3:04 am -      #3

    @LadyRamkin

    “Nico summons a 1000 undead all with machine guns.”

    We need stronger Link then:

  4. sadot06 April 14, 2015 at 3:58 am -      #4

    Nico can travel through shadows, raise and communicate with the dead, there may also be some mild soul fuckery. And he has a badass sword

  5. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 7:04 am -      #5

    Pretty much if Link can kill Nico before he gets his ‘Necromancer Groove’ on then it’s an easy win.

  6. Kitten Lord April 14, 2015 at 7:06 am -      #6

    1000 undead with machineguns? woah…..Links toastt?

  7. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 9:27 am -      #7

    So, when the hell does Nico summon 1,000 undead btw?

  8. Nsl98 April 14, 2015 at 9:34 am -      #8

    @Friendly
    Last Olympian, the final battle:

    Nico drew his sword-three feet if wicked sharp Stygian Iron, black as a nightmare. “I don’t agree.”
    The ground rumbled. Cracks appeared in the road, the sidewalks, the buildings. Skeletal hands grasped the air as the dead crawled their way into the world if the living. There were thousands of them.

    -Last Olympian p. 315

    Link should win, he just has to blitz him. And I don’t think Nico has any reaction feats like the ones for PJ and Jason.

  9. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 9:56 am -      #9

    Last Olympian, the final battle

    Ah, anyone have a reddit to add that to this guys thread?
    www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2wtzs9/respect_nico_di_angelo_son_of_hades/

  10. Ragnorke April 14, 2015 at 10:49 am -      #10

    “Match starts, Link:
    Shoots Nico with an arrow
    Shoots Nico with a Bomb
    Shoots Nico with his claw shots
    Throws a Bomb at him
    Link wins.”

    Why can’t Nico shadowslip away..?
    Link still has to react at the start of the match (they don’t get a countdown timer giving them time to prepare their actions)
    He still has to pull out said piece of gear, and he still has to throw it.
    And then the said gear needs to travel a distance of a few meters.

    Nico may not have PJ level speed, but he’s still a demigod, which still means he has superhuman RT.

    “there may also be some mild soul fuckery. ”

    He literally just raised his sword, and a dude died by having his soul stolen…
    I wouldn’t call that mild. Or maybe i’m remembering it incorrectly.

    “Nico summons a 1000 undead all with machine guns.”

    I don’t remember him ever summoning undead with machine guns…
    It’s usually old school rifles or revolvers isn’t it?

    “What can Nico do?”

    Aside from the mentioned things,
    He has a Fear Aura, which can cause monsters to back away from him.
    He has Earth Manipulation, which he once used to bring down a mountain fortress.
    He has shadow manipulation, which lets him literally kill people with shadows.

  11. Nsl98 April 14, 2015 at 11:00 am -      #11

    He literally just raised his sword, and a dude died by having his soul stolen…
    I wouldn’t call that mild. Or maybe i’m remembering it incorrectly.


    He actually told him “You are a ghost”, and he just turned into a mindless spirit and fled to the Underworld.

    He did that while actively weakened too.

    He also just gave Daedulus on his death bed permission to die, and he did.

  12. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #12

    Why can’t Nico shadowslip away..?

    Because he has to fight Link? Nico doesn’t summon undead and command them from a few miles away.

    Nico may not have PJ level speed, but he’s still a demigod, which still means he has superhuman RT.

    Nico is routinely mentioned to have a weaker physical body- so his RT and all of his physical skills are lacking compared to other CHB students. Although he is a son of the Big 3 so… maybe it balances out? At absolute best he’s an arrow-timer like everyone else.

  13. Ragnorke April 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #13

    “Because he has to fight Link? Nico doesn’t summon undead and command them from a few miles away.”

    Wait.. So now you’re agreeing that combatants need to stay in character and won’t utilize bullshit strategies that no one in their fiction has demonstrated?
    I should get back into the Hogwarts thread. Cheers for indirectly reminding me.

    And anyways, I never said Nico would shadowslip that far…
    He could just go behind link and stab him, or go to the shadow of a nearby tree.
    Or he could just make the shadows behind link stab link.

  14. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 1:23 pm -      #14

    So now you’re agreeing that combatants need to stay in character and won’t utilize bullshit strategies that no one in their fiction has demonstrated?

    Obviously, there must be some semblance of them using it in the way it’s being suggested.

    I should get back into the Hogwarts thread. Cheers for indirectly reminding me.

    You should, the Invisible-Guided-teleport-Blitz was somewhat of your own making after all.

    Or he could just make the shadows behind link stab link.

    Now that is a neat trick indeed, how do those work? Just gesture and go?

  15. Nsl98 April 14, 2015 at 2:08 pm -      #15

    Or he could just make the shadows behind link stab link.

    When did Nico have that ability?

  16. Ordo11 April 14, 2015 at 2:32 pm -      #16

    he is mostly soul fuckery, his sword does soul fuck even, his powers allow him to absorb the souls of his defeated enemies, monsters, to make the sword and him stronger, or that is how I think it works.

  17. Epicazeroth April 14, 2015 at 7:15 pm -      #17

    @Rag: “I don’t remember him ever summoning undead with machine guns…”
    If they died, he can summon them.

    “Or he could just make the shadows behind link stab link.”
    When did he gain that ability?

    It’s not that Nico chooses not to comman undead from miles away. He can’t.
    ===
    @Ordo: It doesn’t make him stronger, but Stygian Iron does absorb souls.

  18. Nsl98 April 14, 2015 at 7:18 pm -      #18

    Eh, even if he gets knocked out/distracted, the dead will continue the fight.

    If one of the gun toting zombies shoots Link even after Nico is dealt with, is that still a Nico win?

  19. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 7:57 pm -      #19

    If one of the gun toting zombies shoots Link even after Nico is dealt with, is that still a Nico win?

    Gonna go out on a limb and say no; though my perch is precarious. Have we ever seen Nico’s undead fighting without him being conscious?

  20. Nsl98 April 14, 2015 at 8:39 pm -      #20

    BoTL, he summons them and he gets knocked out. The dead continue to fight until CHB repels the attack.

  21. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 8:57 pm -      #21

    BoTL, he summons them and he gets knocked out. The dead continue to fight until CHB repels the attack.

    You’re sure about that?
    Nico fell to his knees from the strain, then later passed out; these were two separate events.
    There was no mention in Battle of the Labyrinth of him maintaining his dead servants while unconscious.

    Oder of events as given in the book.
    Nico summons skeletons.
    Nico falls to his knees.
    Battle, of which no further mention is made of Nico’s soldiers.
    Battle ends.
    Nico is unconscious.
    Nowhere in there does it mention his servants fighting while he was out; or even at what point he collapses. There is no feat there of him controlling undead while KO’d, and definitely none for them existing while he’s dead.

  22. Klondike Bar April 14, 2015 at 9:11 pm -      #22

    Nico can only summon the dead that are already there because in the last book Nico is fighting that one dude he later turns into a soul he can not summon any dead dudes because they are controlled by that other guy. That staff of diocletian was a big deal because it summoned the undead from far away iirc.

  23. Nsl98 April 14, 2015 at 9:18 pm -      #23

    @Friendly

    centurions, Napoleonic cavalry on skeletal horses. As one, they drew their swords and engaged the dracaenae. Nico crumpled to his knees, but I didn’t have time to make sure he was okay.
    -Battle of the Labryinth p. 213
    —–
    No mention of them going away. It says he crumpled to his knees and it’s implied that the skeletons were still fighting the monsters.

  24. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 10:18 pm -      #24

    No mention of them going away. It says he crumpled to his knees and it’s implied that the skeletons were still fighting the monsters.

    Yes, crumpling to your knees is not falling unconscious; it is a lack of strength to remain standing. You do not fall unconscious by “crumbling to your knees”.

    There is no mention of his undead fighting while he is unconscious, or any indication of them doing so.

  25. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 10:35 pm -      #25

    Nico can only summon the dead that are already there

    I don’t think Napoleon’s cavalry ever made it across the ocean…although how you could determine Napoleon’s cavalry from other cavalry is… not known to me.

  26. Jake_Uzumaki April 14, 2015 at 10:58 pm -      #26

    “determine Napoleon’s cavalry from other cavalry is… not known to me.”
    different uniforms.

  27. Friendlysociopath April 14, 2015 at 11:02 pm -      #27

    different uniforms.

    Just the idea that Percy can just pick out the exact troop just by seeing the uniform is… impressive.

  28. Jake_Uzumaki April 14, 2015 at 11:22 pm -      #28

    Maybe Percy is really into that era of history? Or had just read about the Napoleonic Era recently?

  29. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 8:25 am -      #29

    Maybe Percy is really into that era of history? Or had just read about the Napoleonic Era recently?

    Possible, it just seems weird that someone who routinely says they’re bad at memorization and school is able to pick out something like that.

  30. Nsl98 April 15, 2015 at 9:48 am -      #30

    PJ: the Ultimate Guide says that the only class Percy was good at besides Latin was History. That could be why he’s able to identify the soldiers.

    Or it’s just his ADHD allowing him to notice, along with his prior knowledge.

  31. Commander Cross April 15, 2015 at 11:11 am -      #31

    @Everyone on both sides

    I’m not taking up arms for either side here at the moment, but Would they be so kind as to check on this link actually?

    Not talking that Other Link here, since this becomes a matter of if he can avoid getting hit by Nico’s weapons and outlast Nico or if Nico can close the distance and strike at the Link in play hard enough.

    Nico’s Powers are Rooted by Life-Force, and while he may get more powerful to the point it’s a lot less of a problem the more people he’d beat or kill, he still has limits however big they may be.

    On one hand, Nico and his dad in themselves aren’t Malicious, yet at the same time in terms of Elemental Harm, the Master Sword can still be a threat if it hits Nico, so if TP Link is picked, Nico doesn’t have to worry about taking the Ordon Sword from TP Link.

    I say this is anyone’s game for now.

  32. LadyRamkin April 15, 2015 at 11:33 am -      #32

    “Why can’t Nico shadowslip away..?”

    I don’t think you can read.

  33. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #33

    I don’t think you can read.

    Er, that was unduly harsh? and a bit untrue? Nico can jump through shadows, that’s a power he possesses. And they’re fighting in a grove- meaning shadows are everywhere. Nobody barred shadow-jumping or anything as far as I can tell.

    Ultimate Guide says that the only class Percy was good at besides Latin was History.

    Ah, that would explain that then.

  34. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #34

    Also, does somebody want to tell me how Nico summoning 1,000 undead = Nico can call 1,000 undead with machineguns?
    He’s never called 1,000 undead all with machine guns- they tend to be scattered company from all ages.

    Does he even indicate he gets to choose what he summons? Because if he could there’s literally no reason for him to ever summon something that isn’t a modern soldier- and he constantly summons things that are not modern soldiers with machineguns.

  35. Nsl98 April 15, 2015 at 12:21 pm -      #35

    It’s most likely completely random. The skeletons are described as having weaponry ranging from ancient swords/spears to all different types of guns. But say that some are equipped with Civil War era guns. Do any of the Links have the RT to dodge musket fire?

    It may be slow, but it is faster than arrows.

  36. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 12:35 pm -      #36

    Do any of the Links have the RT to dodge musket fire?

    Well, he’s packing a fairly large shield that reflects projectiles (I think, the specific versions of Link confuse me). He doesn’t have to beat the musket- he has to beat the guy firing the musket.

  37. Nsl98 April 15, 2015 at 1:01 pm -      #37

    How bout a couple hundred shooters?

    It’s not likely that all the undead will have guns, but the same can be said for not having them.

    Regardless, Link’ll have to deal with more than one shooter.

  38. LadyRamkin April 15, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #38

    “Er, that was unduly harsh? and a bit untrue?”

    Is it? He responded to my comment in a way that clearly indicated he didn’t read it. He did the same thing multiple times before you joined the CHB vs Hogwarts debate.

    I said:
    “Match starts, Link:
    Shoots Nico with an arrow
    Shoots Nico with a Bomb
    Shoots Nico with his claw shots
    Throws a Bomb at him
    Link wins.
    If None of that works:
    Nico summons a 1000 undead all with machine guns.
    Nico wins.”

    To which he replied:
    “Why can’t Nico shadowslip away..?
    Link still has to react at the start of the match (they don’t get a countdown timer giving them time to prepare their actions)
    He still has to pull out said piece of gear, and he still has to throw it.
    And then the said gear needs to travel a distance of a few meters.”

    He completely ignored /disregarded/ failed to read the:
    “If None of that works:”
    and responded as though it wasn’t there. Therefore he is either rude /stupid /or can’t read. I feel i picked the nicest one.

  39. LadyRamkin April 15, 2015 at 1:41 pm -      #39

    Though i haven’t has a lot of sleep recently so i might just be viewing the world through a particularly bad filter right now.

  40. Ragnorke April 15, 2015 at 1:55 pm -      #40

    @Ramkin
    “He completely ignored /disregarded/ failed to read the:
    “If None of that works:”
    and responded as though it wasn’t there.”

    As a debater it’s my duty to give reason and answer WHY i think it wouldn’t work, rather than simply saying it wouldn’t.

    The question mark was there because it was a fucking question.
    I’v never played a LoZ game. You have.
    Therefor i expected you to ANSWER ME and discuss whether or not it would work.

    Stop being so god damn dense. Not every statement is a challenge.

  41. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 2:04 pm -      #41

    I’v never played a LoZ game.

    YES, no longer alone! (Hugs the Ragnorke)

    Regardless, Link’ll have to deal with more than one shooter.

    True, but he has a literal shield that he can hide behind as well as… alright, which Magic Armor does Twilight Link have? I know he has one.

    If he has the one that just makes you immune to damage until your rupees run out- he should be more than able to deal with Nico’s skeletons.

    Although if the match progresses to that point Link will already have lost as Nico is a setup kind of fighter, the more time he has to get his powers underway and how he wants them- the more in control he is.

  42. Ordo11 April 15, 2015 at 2:57 pm -      #42

    Does turning link into a ghost count as winning or does his blade have to absorb links soul

  43. Nsl98 April 15, 2015 at 3:17 pm -      #43

    @Ramkin
    Does TP Link have the Mirror Shield? Or does he just have the Hylian Shield? And does that reflect projectiles?

    @Friendly and Rag
    I’ve played and beaten one…Spirit Tracks. And apparently that’s the easiest one…it totally killed my sense of achievement.

    And the Link in this match has the armor that runs on Rupees. (TP has that iirc)

  44. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 4:11 pm -      #44

    Does turning link into a ghost count as winning or does his blade have to absorb links soul

    Well if he was turned into a Ghost Nico can just command him to surrender so… that’s a Nico win in either case.

    Does TP Link have the Mirror Shield?

    I looked up an equipment list- he does not.

  45. Ragnorke April 15, 2015 at 4:12 pm -      #45

    “And the Link in this match has the armor that runs on Rupees.”

    it’s basically useless then unless there’s any canon mention of how many Rupees Link has on him.
    Meaning cut-scene, dialogue, or anything else of the sort.

    Unless you want to quantify the average amount of Rupees Link collects throughout all of his game playthroughs… Which is pretty fucking stupid.
    So yea, useless.

  46. Nsl98 April 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #46

    Well, the max amount his wallet holds is a thousand, would that work? That’s what’s been used on other threads…

  47. LadyRamkin April 15, 2015 at 5:28 pm -      #47

    “Stop being so god damn dense.”

    No. LALALALALA
    – – –
    “Not every statement is a challenge.”

    Lack of sleep, grouchy, I am sorry for getting grumpy at you.
    – – –
    “Does TP Link have the Mirror Shield? Or does he just have the Hylian Shield? And does that reflect projectiles?”

    He does not have the mirror shield, he has the Hylian shield, there is no reason to beleive that this version of it is any more durable than a regular metal shield though
    – – –
    “I’ve played and beaten one…Spirit Tracks. And apparently that’s the easiest one…”

    Spirit tracks is one of 5 that i haven’t beaten. and one of 3 that i have barely touched.
    – – –
    “Well, the max amount his wallet holds is a thousand, would that work? ”

    Links wallet is stupid

    He can pick up a 200 rupee (a single rupee with a value of 200) and it takes up the same space in his wallet as 200, 1 rupees. So his wallet must has some kind of magical ability that converts objects into pure value and can only store so much.

  48. Ragnorke April 15, 2015 at 6:09 pm -      #48

    “Well, the max amount his wallet holds is a thousand, would that work? That’s what’s been used on other threads…”

    But how do we convert “damage” from other fictions into equivalent LoZ rupees? Without going into NLF territory of course.

    What’s the most powerful hit the armor has blocked against?
    And how many Rupees were used up by said hit?

    Tbh i don’t think it’d matter against soul stealing, but still worth discussing i guess.

  49. Friendlysociopath April 15, 2015 at 6:25 pm -      #49

    What’s the most powerful hit the armor has blocked against?

    Supposedly if you hit yourself with a canon it will take all of them- but this may just be a gameplay mechanic as there’s… no way to “accidentally” hit yourself with your own canon.

    Does Link get socked by anything extremely big or powerful in Twilight Princess? We could try to scale that and go from there.

  50. Ordo11 April 16, 2015 at 12:31 am -      #50

    Hmm nico seems to have this right now. On the simple account of soul fuckery.

  51. Ragnarok April 18, 2015 at 11:37 pm -      #51

    @Nsl98
    I’ve seen this feat of Nico summoning thousands of the dead used several times before and its always bothered me. When I read the book I originally thought it was Hades summoning the dead, not Nico, so when you said this I went and checked. I will repost the quote here along with the content the comes directly after:


    The ground rumbled. Cracks appeared m the road, the sidewalks, the sides of the buildings. Skeletal hands grasped the air as the dead clawed their way into the world of the living. There were thousands of them, and as they emerged, the Titan’s monsters got jumpy and started to back up.

    “HOLD YOUR GROUND!” Kronos demanded. “The dead are no match for us.”

    The sky turned dark and cold. Shadows thickened. A harsh war horn sounded, and as the dead soldiers formed up ranks with their guns and swords and spears, an enormous chariot roared down Fifth Avenue. It came to a stop next to Nico. The horses were living shadows, fashioned from darkness. The chariot was inlaid with obsidian and gold, decorated with scenes of painful death. Holding the reins was Hades himself, Lord of the Dead, with Demeter and Persephone riding behind him.

    There’s a few things here that make me think my original interpretation was correct, and Nico was simply “announcing” his arrival:
    1. Hades appears directly after the dead are summoned.
    2. Nico never again summons even close to this number of undead.
    3. At other points when Nico summons the dead he appears weakened, while there is no mention of that here.
    4. If Nico can summons thousands of undead at a whim, why doesn’t his father summon millions to help during this crucial fight?

    I do think that Nico has a solid chance here, its just that seeing this feat posted over and over again was really bothering me.

  52. batman3.14 April 20, 2015 at 7:55 pm -      #52

    Ragnorak makes a good argument guys. If Nico is without his army, he has to fight Link in 1 v 1 combat- something Link is much better than him in.

    All the soul stuff may put a damper on Link’s chance to win, but this greatly increases Link’s chance since now he can focus primarily on Nico.

  53. Friendlysociopath April 20, 2015 at 8:11 pm -      #53

    If Nico is without his army, he has to fight Link in 1 v 1 combat- something Link is much better than him in.

    Nico can still summon soldiers, but that “thousands of machinegun-toting skeletons” claim is ringing pretty hollow I agree.

    All the soul stuff may put a damper on Link’s chance to win, but this greatly increases Link’s chance since now he can focus primarily on Nico.

    Nico still has teleportation and shadow manipulation(?); not to mention being able to move a ton of rock/earth when he puts his mind into it.
    A LoZ buff needs to figure out whether Link can deal with soul-fuckery though.

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