Marvel Cinematic Verse Vs CW DC Universe

Marvel Cinematic Verse Vs CW DC Universe

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Marvel Cinematic Verse (Agents of Shield, the Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, the Hulk, Amazing Spiderman, X-Men) will go up against CW DC Universe (Arrow and the Flash) And Man of Steel.

Who will win?

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93 Comments on "Marvel Cinematic Verse Vs CW DC Universe"

  1. Rookie April 1, 2015 at 2:26 am -      #1

    I’l side with Marvel for now.

  2. Commander Cross April 1, 2015 at 2:28 am -      #2

    I take it the Live-Action Constantine show isn’t included in a fight like this.
    Bummer that, no matter what side I might wanna gather some stuff for, that World could have been interesting to consider.

    Thus far, part of the fighting may boil down to Quicksilver vs The Flash no questions asked, leaving a lot of everyone else’s forces to go duke it out in War Plans or in the Front-lines.

    Just in case, how many Professional Tacticians and Strategists do both sides have in a fight like this?
    Let alone how many with Names for that matter to worry about?

    Initial bets says this is anyone’s game for the moment unless one side does something Horrendously Stupid.

  3. Rookie April 1, 2015 at 2:49 am -      #3

    @Commander Cross

    “I take it the Live-Action Constantine show isn’t included in a fight like this.”

    Is it any good?

  4. Nsl98 April 1, 2015 at 6:27 am -      #4

    So, were the talks about including Arrow and Flash in the DCCU real?
    —–
    I’m inclined to say that Supes solos.

    He has better feats in one movie then the majority of characters in multiple.

  5. sadot06 April 1, 2015 at 6:58 am -      #5

    “I take it the Live-Action Constantine show isn’t included in a fight like this.
    Bummer that, no matter what side I might wanna gather some stuff for, that World could have been interesting to consider.”

    Nope, no Constantine. The angel would solo. Great show though.

    “Thus far, part of the fighting may boil down to Quicksilver vs The Flash”

    There is also Reverse Flash, who’s currently better than The Flash. And current Flash lightning timed, can vibrate through objects, and once ran so fast that he traveled through time back to the start of the day, though he hasn’t been able to replicate that last one.

  6. Parry Boy April 1, 2015 at 7:26 am -      #6

    I am going to side for DC because of general knowledge.
    –Might I request a battle of the wits with Sherlock Holmes and Professor Hershel Layton?–

  7. Ragnorke April 1, 2015 at 9:30 am -      #7

    Wasn’t MCU vs MoS already posted? (suggested by Xornell i think) and everyone agreed Supes stomps.

    Adding the likes of Flash to the team just makes it worse…

    Adding X-Men is pretty good i suppose.
    Supes doesn’t have any mind resistance feats i don’t think. But that wouldn’t stop him from speedblitzing Charles.
    Magneto moved that entire stadium, which is an awesome feat, but it still wouldn’t have a large effect on Superman.

  8. sadot06 April 1, 2015 at 9:58 am -      #8

    “Supes doesn’t have any mind resistance feats i don’t think. But that wouldn’t stop him from speedblitzing Charles.”

    I don’t think Charles would be on the frontlines for him to get speedblitzed. I also wonder how good Apocalypse will be in the movie. We saw him building the pyramids in Egypt with TK in that teaser.

  9. Limbo Lowk April 1, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #9

    Does smallville still count?

  10. Kara Zor-El April 1, 2015 at 1:43 pm -      #10

    Does this include Guardians of the Galaxy?

  11. Rookie April 1, 2015 at 1:54 pm -      #11

    @Kara Zor-El

    “Does this include Guardians of the Galaxy?”

    From the looks of it, no.

  12. Nsl98 April 1, 2015 at 2:01 pm -      #12

    It says MCU though….
    —-
    And the GotG are part of that.

  13. Rookie April 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm -      #13

    @Nsl98

    “It says MCU though….”

    And also gives us names of the shows, too.

  14. Nsl98 April 1, 2015 at 2:12 pm -      #14

    @Sadot
    So, is it only the ones listed in the OP, or can all the MCU movies be used?
    —-
    @Rookie
    You have a point, match description does overide…

  15. Ragnorke April 1, 2015 at 6:57 pm -      #15

    “I don’t think Charles would be on the frontlines for him to get speedblitzed. ”

    Not too sure how much it’ll matter… No one’s really going to put up a good enough fight to slow Supes down.

  16. Epicazeroth April 1, 2015 at 7:02 pm -      #16

    CW stomps. Flash and RF could probably solo. They’re both faster than Quicksilver, and Quicksilver is the only one close to their speed.

    Also, Supes is so much stronger it’s hilarious. ATOM, Firestorm, and possibly Arrow are likely about to get a lot more higher-level feats in a month or two.

  17. Kara Zor-El April 1, 2015 at 7:04 pm -      #17

    How fast does it take the Bifrost to hit ground and take someone? Might be a way to BFR. How powerful is Odin in those movies? Not that I guess he has many feats to go off of. Thanos is also seen in The Avengers, so I guess he’s useable, but the same problem applies. No feats.
    _
    I only asked about GotG coz there’s a few of them in the picture title card was all, and it is part of the MCU.

  18. Ragnorke April 1, 2015 at 7:05 pm -      #18

    Isn’t ATOM in the show basically just Ironman?
    And yea, i’m pretty impressed with the how they showed Firestorm. Didn’t think they’d stay that close to his comic origins.

  19. sadot06 April 1, 2015 at 8:48 pm -      #19

    Marvel can have Guardians of the Galaxy. But yeah they’ll need some more feats probably. Age of Ultron is coming soon.

    “Isn’t ATOM in the show basically just Ironman?”

    So far yeah. He just shoots energy blasts and flies. Arrow kicked his ass

  20. Ragnorke April 1, 2015 at 8:52 pm -      #20

    Marvel has quite a few good things coming up.

    “So far yeah. He just shoots energy blasts and flies. Arrow kicked his ass”

    That’s… a tad bit disappointing.

  21. Jake_Uzumaki April 1, 2015 at 8:55 pm -      #21

    Yeah MCU has the Inhumans coming, Sky recently deflected a bullet and turned a tree into small chunks with a blast of seismec power. and her power seems to be able to control vibrations in a way that she can alter the shape of water so possible matter manipulation in play? And she’s in Attilan now so we’ll see soon.

  22. Epicazeroth April 1, 2015 at 10:15 pm -      #22

    @Rag: You have to remember, Ray has literally never been in a fight. Like, not a single one. Plus, he was beating the shit out of Oliver and Ray; Ollie got a quick shot in and cut his suit’s power.
    ===
    @Jake: Skye leveled – actually, shattered and obliterated – every tree within at least a hundred feet of her.

  23. KalaDellexe April 1, 2015 at 11:02 pm -      #23

    “Skye leveled – actually, shattered and obliterated – every tree within at least a hundred feet of her.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5AqruxSyA

    If anyone wants a video.

    Notice the fighting skills, too. This is with injured arms as well.

  24. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets April 1, 2015 at 11:32 pm -      #24

    Yea, CW stomps. Even if we took Jenna’s claim seriously about Quake being capable of leveling continents(which there’s no proof for)there’s still the matter of Flash and Reverse Flash being too fast for anyone on the MCU to do anything. Unless Age of Ultron QS gets similar feats, which I doubt.

  25. Overpowered April 1, 2015 at 11:54 pm -      #25

    Marvel for sure. I don’t know why everyone is just assuming Flash and Reverse Flash stomp, or Superman. Obviously Flash and Reverse Flash aren’t unstoppable, as Barry has had trouble defeating villains in the show thus far. He and RF aren’t just gonna speed blitz all of the MCU and X-Men, which, might I add, includes:

    All 9 Realms and everyone inside of them
    Chitauri
    Ronan the Accuser and the entire expanded galaxy
    The Infinity Stones and Celestials
    The Iron Legion/Ultron’s Army
    Adapting Sentinels
    Phoenix
    DoFP Quicksilver
    Magneto/Xavier
    Countless other powerful mutants
    Thor and Hulk and Loki and Abomination
    Scarlet Witch who we know has mind control
    The Ex-Wife

    And probably more I can’t think of.

  26. Rookie April 2, 2015 at 12:53 am -      #26

    @sadot06

    “Marvel can have Guardians of the Galaxy. ”

    Celestials solo.
    If Smallville allowed, then Supes solo. Even against Celestials.

  27. sadot06 April 2, 2015 at 7:57 am -      #27

    “Celestials solo.”

    The Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Not the comics.

  28. Nomad April 2, 2015 at 10:16 am -      #28

    Marvel has some cool stuff coming out but I don’t think anyone could handle Superman. MCU Thanos maybe but the only feat he’s shown is his chair turning ability.

  29. Karen Starr April 2, 2015 at 2:21 pm -      #29

    Woo Quake getting better in the MCU! I seriously do need to sit down and watch AoS though.

  30. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets April 2, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #30

    “Woo Quake getting better in the MCU! I seriously do need to sit down and watch AoS though.”

    “You could bring down buildings, tear continents apart…” was the exact quote. Again, so far nothing in the MCU has shown to be anywhere near that dangerous, so I doubt it.

  31. Epicazeroth April 2, 2015 at 11:21 pm -      #31

    @sadot: The movie had a Celestials cameo. One of them casually destroyed a planet with the Orb.
    ===
    @CH1C: DoFP Quicksilver is around Barry’s range. I think TMWTA (I forget capitalization) did a calc for how fast he was. It was something like Mach 230.
    ===
    Hey, would anyone be able to calc Barry’s speed at the end of Out of Time?

  32. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets April 3, 2015 at 12:30 am -      #32

    @Epic That was long before Barry got fast enough to hack back in time(interwebz cookiey for anyone who gets the reference)and two lightning dodging feats though(as in lightning moved slow to him)… And tanking plank and absolute 0 temperatures. Then there’s the fact that even IF QS could keep up with Barry and RF they both have way more combat feats than him and there’s still having to deal with Supes after that. The only thing I can think of that gives MCU a chance is a Celestial with the Power Gem, but even then that’d mean MCU suicides, so not really much of a win.

  33. brosky April 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm -      #33

    Gonna side with marvel with the feats of phoenix alone from x3. theres no reason she doesnt desetegrate everyone on dc side. also with ultron coming, thanos children from gaurdians of the galaxy its too much power. factor in wolverine
    true superman would be the last one to fall but hes the only threat to deal with.

  34. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets April 13, 2015 at 7:32 pm -      #34

    “theres no reason she doesnt desetegrate everyone on dc side.”

    Proof of disintegrating someone who dished/tanked the equivalent of a 20 KT nuke airburst?

    www.avclub.com/article/science-estimates-that-the-damage-done-by-emman-of-99165
    =
    “true superman would be the last one to fall but hes the only threat to deal with.”

    Flash and RF can mess with time.
    =
    Not that it changes anything, but relevant.

    Hulk vs Hulkbuster scene, or 90 seconds of it.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yDu7JaZ95U

    Sad to say that MoS still has the best fight scenes of any superhero movie, IMO…
    =
    They’ve already released the outcome of the fight… Or at least someone who watched it has. Don’t know if anyone’s read it yet.

  35. Darth Bombad May 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm -      #35

    The Flash can’t just time travel or phase through stuff at will… yet.
    The creator confirmed this in an interview those were one off things that
    he may not be able to do again for years.
    And his combat is crap, the only one he beat up so far was everyman.

    Reverse Flash can still phase though, but you know who else can? [Spoiler].



    Vision! he can probably rip MoS’s heart out or something if he can get close.
    What’s MoS’s best strength feat anyway?, does he have anything really
    impressive after the oil rig?, cause that gravity beam thing is hard to quantity.

  36. Limbo Lowk May 4, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #36

    “does he have anything really
    impressive after the oil rig?, cause that gravity beam thing is hard to quantity.”

    Not really.
    Other then this
    youtu.be/DaYYATbeuDQ?t=1m27s
    He has saving a bus as a kid, the plowing through the factory, hitting a guy hard enough he knocks over railway cars, and any strength feats the other kryptonians have.
    ===
    “Vision! he can probably rip MoS’s heart out or something if he can get close.”

    Who doesn’t really have a lot of feats for anything not related to computers.
    ===
    “cause that gravity beam thing is hard to quantity.”

    It was strong enough to crush buildings at low end.
    Wasn’t the device itself was strong enough to survive crashing into the earth or did it slow down?

  37. Darth Bombad May 6, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #37

    So The Flash just got his ass kicked by Grodd the supersonic punch did nothing.
    And going supersonic is still a rare thing that takes a huge runway.
    So he must be sub-sonic most of the time, even though he dodged lightning….
    damn speedsters! they’re so hard to keep consistent.

    @Lowk
    Yeah i thought so, so why do people think MoS is so powerful? he struggled
    to hold up the oil rig, which Tony’s Igor suit could do so he’s not totally op.

    I mean i always assumed he gets stronger by the end but looking back
    there’s no real proof he’s out of Iron-Man’s (therefore Hulk/Thor’s) league.
    Other than flying through a really inconsistent gravity beam.

  38. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 6, 2015 at 7:37 pm -      #38

    “The Flash can’t just time travel or phase through stuff at will… yet.
    The creator confirmed this in an interview those were one off things that
    he may not be able to do again for years.”

    You have a link or anything?
    =
    “What’s MoS’s best strength feat anyway?, does he have anything really
    impressive after the oil rig?, cause that gravity beam thing is hard to quantity.”

    Look at post 34… That last fight was the equivalent of a 20KT Nuke’s airburst… Far above what anyone here as shown

    *SPOILERS*

    Although Thor could probably survive it and dish it out and IM seems to be equal to that output. Although I guess Rag interpreted it differently than I did.

    *END OF SPOILERS*
    =
    “What’s MoS’s best strength feat anyway?, does he have anything really
    impressive after the oil rig?, cause that gravity beam thing is hard to quantity.”

    *SPOILERS*

    You could see him phasing through Ultron’s drones at the end of the film.

    *END OF SPOILERS*
    =
    “Wasn’t the device itself was strong enough to survive crashing into the earth or did it slow down?”

    Can’t seem to find a substantial scene with them in it, but I recall one slowing down and the other crash landing… You can see it starting to descend slower at 0:47

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOF03DUoWc

    Very briefly though.
    =
    “So The Flash just got his ass kicked by Grodd the supersonic punch did nothing.
    And going supersonic is still a rare thing that takes a huge runway.”

    Well, good to know he won’t really be a threat anyways then.
    =
    “So he must be sub-sonic most of the time, even though he dodged lightning…”

    You mean moved so fast it seemed frozen to him? Twice?
    =
    ” why do people think MoS is so powerful? he struggled
    to hold up the oil rig, which Tony’s Igor suit could do so he’s not totally op.”

    20 KT Nuke’s Airburst level of damage, which might not kill everyone outright and too fast for anyone on Marvel to keep up with.
    =
    Still think MoS takes this for DC though.

  39. Epicazeroth May 6, 2015 at 8:13 pm -      #39

    @Darth: “So The Flash just got his ass kicked by Grodd the supersonic punch did nothing.”
    Well, to be fair, Grodd is psychic. He very well could have sensed Barry psychicly.

    “So he must be sub-sonic most of the time, even though he dodged lightning….”
    1) He only does that when he’s in mortal danger.
    2) We don’t know that that’s real lightning. It was created by metahumans.
    ===
    @CH1C: “That last fight was the equivalent of a 20KT Nuke’s airburst”
    Yeah. Over a ten-minute time period. And a lot of that was smashing through the support columns of buildings. It’s not like he just punched Zod and the city blew up.

  40. Malenfant May 6, 2015 at 8:23 pm -      #40

    LOL merely being unable to emit nuclear weapon grade forces in a single bout is ‘weak’ now. Seriously, Kryptonians in Man of Steel are capable of eating direct hits from Mavericks and only rendered unconscious. Those are weapons that turn tanks into confetti. Superman and his opponents are as tough as battleships. Who happen to fly at orbital velocities.

    Yeah, sure, we can talk about all those ‘city busters’ in fiction who fundamentally when they actually get down to fighting are probably 0.1% as impressive. Honestly, the MoS Superman is probably the consistently strongest of all the Supermen, merely because he actually reacts to injury in a consistent manner (i.e. if he’s shown to shrug something off, he shrugs things lesser than that off).

  41. sadot06 May 6, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #41

    “1) He only does that when he’s in mortal danger.
    2) We don’t know that that’s real lightning. It was created by metahumans.”

    The metahuman that controls the weather doesn’t create lightning, he controls the weather. There was nothing about that scene that would imply that it wasn’t legit lightning. It came from up in the sky, not his hands, and came down at the speed of lightning, it just happened to look slow compared to how fast he was moving. Unfortunately for the sake of plot, they have to infect Flash CIS in every episode so he doesn’t always move as fast as he could. But that’s a great feat for Grodd because Flash’s supersonic punch leveled a guy whose skin was as strong as steel. Grodd will be a problem for Marvel too with his Telepathy and mind control. And of course Reverse Flash mastered his powers and based on the trailers the Flash will be time traveling again.

  42. Epicazeroth May 6, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #42

    @Mal: I’m not saying he’s weak. I’m saying he’s not as strong as “20kt nuclear bomb” makes him out to be. Also, there is a very large gap between tanks and battleships.

    “Honestly, the MoS Superman is probably the consistently strongest of all the Supermen”
    You mean, because he’s only had like 1 hour of feats?
    ===
    @sadot: “But that’s a great feat for Grodd”
    True. Even if he caught the punch, he still had to be able to tank it.

    “based on the trailers the Flash will be time traveling again.”
    What? Which trailer is this?

  43. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 6, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #43

    “Yeah. Over a ten-minute time period. ”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WYgu6Xa-_U

    This video doesn’t have any fighting till about 1:50. Before that Zod only has one strike in at about 1:25 and they go back to talking.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWyTY6T_h90

    This one is the only real one that’s just them going at it.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMKsuA4Bi-c

    And roughly the last 45 seconds is just Zod in a headlock.

    It’s probably a total fight time of 5 minutes, more likely a bit less.
    =
    ” And a lot of that was smashing through the support columns of buildings. It’s not like he just punched Zod and the city blew up.”

    Never said it did, I said that the guy’s fights are capable of doing that. Even with AoU the best you got is this:

    *SPOILERS*

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY7Dh9Th_l0

    They took down one skyscraper, Zod and Supes were doing that casually. Yes, both Hulk and Iron Man basically shrugged it off, but the fact that that was the climax of their fight, while Zod and Supes were doing that throughout the entire fight says the gap in power Marvel’s biggest guns has against DCs.

    Yes, Thor did in fact survive the vaporization(that’s what IM said, right?), but you still have to consider the fact that that knocked him out(least, that’s how I interpreted the “floating in water” instance). Although, I’m still fuzzy on whether Iron Man and him actually destroyed the city or if it was something else… Regardless, obviously badass and a huge feat for him, but Thor’s still not fast enough to keep up with Supes.

    Rag, if you see this, do you have any idea how much Thor tanked from that feat?

    *END OF SPOILERS*
    =
    ” I’m saying he’s not as strong as ’20kt nuclear bomb’
    =
    *Airburst. Either way, his one major fight was far more impressive than anything Marvel has shown us, still, after 7 years of films.

  44. Nsl98 May 6, 2015 at 10:09 pm -      #44

    *(Spoilers)*

    So, about Thor’s city Bomb tanking thing. Wasn’t it technically Thor’s energy that disentegrated the city? (Which he survived btw)

    That would put him at city level DC/durability, yes?

    *Airburst. Either way, his one major fight was far more impressive than anything Marvel has shown us, still, after 7 years of films.

    So much this. Thor: Ragnarok better have an epic fight of world shattering proportions.

  45. Malenfant May 6, 2015 at 10:32 pm -      #45

    “@Mal: I’m not saying he’s weak. I’m saying he’s not as strong as “20kt nuclear bomb” makes him out to be. Also, there is a very large gap between tanks and battleships.”

    Astute observation. What’s your point? Tanks are ripped apart by such missiles. Battleships aren’t. We see Kryptonians aren’t. My statement was superficially sound, don’t over think it.

    Actually, battleships do take damage, they simply survive through having more area than the blast can tear through. Kryptonians are far smaller than both tanks and battleships, yet survive the same amount of net damage except more compacted without a scratch.

    “You mean, because he’s only had like 1 hour of feats?”

    Why we observe this fact is irrelevant, all that matters is that it is. Otherwise, yes, by definition that’s exactly what I mean.

  46. Limbo Lowk May 6, 2015 at 10:59 pm -      #46

    “Yeah i thought so, so why do people think MoS is so powerful?”

    I think it’s more due to the combination of the traits rather then one single one. The speed mixed with strength mixed with energy projection mixed the ability to withstand gravity that flattens city blocks.
    He’s like a faster Thor but replacing lightning with heatvision.
    ===
    “damn speedsters! they’re so hard to keep consistent.”

    The way I think about it is that they are essentially still human. Last I checked even regular humans can push themselves or have kicks adrenaline that make us stronger and faster then we normally are. Since Barry is still human I’m betting thats what it is. Lightning fast may not be his normal mode of speed but he does still seem to be capable of it if he or is body pushes itself.

  47. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 6, 2015 at 11:49 pm -      #47

    *SPOILERS*

    “So, about Thor’s city Bomb tanking thing. Wasn’t it technically Thor’s energy that disentegrated the city? (Which he survived btw)

    That would put him at city level DC/durability, yes?”

    No one’s doubting the durability of Thor surviving a city being disintegrated, but Rag mentioned something on G Man vs Avengers. I personally thought it was just a combination of Thor and IM doing their thing, but people seemed to interpret it differently.

    *END OF SPOILERS*
    =
    “So much this. Thor: Ragnarok better have an epic fight of world shattering proportions.”

    They’ve teased at that level of power existing. There was the Celestial and then you could see a planet/moon that was split in half, with one side not being shown to exit at 0:27

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRqiklDdS3Q

    Makes me wonder if Thanos did that o.o

  48. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #48

    “but Rag mentioned something on G Man vs Avengers.”

    Pretty sure IM mentioned something about messing with the machine that was power the things that lifted it.
    You see Ultron BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP and Quicksilver BLEEEEEEEEEEEP scarlet witch to BLEEEEEEEEEEP but they were two late because BLEEEEEEEEEEP then Ironman fired into the thing he was tinkering with and Thor slammed the hammer down.
    Also the post credit had BLEEEEEEP and BLEEEEEEP.

  49. Darth Bombad May 7, 2015 at 4:12 am -      #49

    “Airburst. Either way, his one major fight was far more impressive than anything Marvel has shown us, still, after 7 years of films.”

    Yeah but Marvel’s are actually good while MoS sucked ass so….
    Besides i’m pretty sure Clark can’t destroy a planet just by touching it.
    So go infinity stones!, as for Grodd he’s no match for Xavier, Emma Frost, Phoinix.

  50. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 4:38 am -      #50

    @Darh Bombad
    “What’s MoS’s best strength feat anyway?, does he have anything really
    impressive after the oil rig?, cause that gravity beam thing is hard to quantity”

    He broke off the top of a mountain by crashing into it.
    That equates to a nuke at the very least nukes.
    Which he caused by accident.

    “Vision! he can probably rip MoS’s heart out or something if he can get close.”

    While Vision looked cool & had nice dialogue, he didn’t really do anything.

    @Nsl
    “So, about Thor’s city Bomb tanking thing. Wasn’t it technically Thor’s energy that disentegrated the city? (Which he survived btw)”

    No.
    Ultron had already placed a bomb at the center of the city.
    Ironman & Thor just hit the bomb to prematurely caus it detonate before it reached closer to the earths surface.

    Also, i think Ironman tweaked with it a bit too, to lessen its effects or something (although i could be totally wrong here)

    “That would put him at city level DC/durability, yes?”

    It was more of a town than a city i reckon (since only a part of it flew into the air), but yea, really good durability feat.

  51. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 4:40 am -      #51

    @Lowk
    “Also the post credit had BLEEEEEEP and BLEEEEEEP.”

    Wait there were 2 after credit scenes?!?!
    ..Or did you just mean to “bleep” out to the 2 noticeable things in the one after credit scene?

  52. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 7, 2015 at 5:02 am -      #52

    “Yeah but Marvel’s are actually good while MoS sucked ass so….”

    Doesn’t change the fact that Supes one fight>>>>>>>>damn near every Marvel showing.
    =
    “Besides i’m pretty sure Clark can’t destroy a planet just by touching it.”

    Neither can anyone in Marvel, as of now anyways.
    =
    “While Vision looked cool & had nice dialogue, he didn’t really do anything.”

    He was phasing through robots and tearing them apart.
    =
    “No.
    Ultron had already placed a bomb at the center of the city.”

    I have to watch the movie again, but I don’t remember a bomb being mentioned at any point in the movie. The whole point of lifting the city in the first place was to just drop it from really really high, if he just wanted to bomb it then he could’ve made a nuke or… steal one…or a bunch…and fail…
    =
    “It was more of a town than a city i reckon (since only a part of it flew into the air), but yea, really good durability feat.”

    But wasn’t it vaporized…? Pretty sure that’s what IM said. Also, wouldn’t the fact that a lot of the ground underneath it pulled up with it make up for the part that wasn’t pulled up with it?

    They also still referred to it as a city and never a town.

  53. Darth Bombad May 7, 2015 at 5:15 am -      #53

    Neither can anyone in Marvel, as of now anyways.

    Thor could if you gave him the power stone, that’s what i was referring to.

  54. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 7, 2015 at 5:21 am -      #54

    “Thor could if you gave him the power stone, that’s what i was referring to.”

    If he survived it(which he probably could). Think Xandar has it now, so I don’t see Thor getting it.

  55. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 5:35 am -      #55

    “Yeah but Marvel’s are actually good while MoS sucked ass so….”

    It didn’t suck. It was however waaaayyy too serious, like batman I lost my parents serious. Superman is supposed to be the opposite of Bats.
    I hope BvS has him loosen up a little because I don’t think I can handle double the brooding.
    ===
    “..Or did you just mean to “bleep” out to the 2 noticeable things in the one after credit scene?”

    That. If I had said one it might’ve spoiled that other thing.

  56. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 5:36 am -      #56

    “He was phasing through robots and tearing them apart.”

    Considering those robots were being taken out by black widow and Hawkeye without effort, it doesn’t speak much for their durability.

    “I have to watch the movie again, but I don’t remember a bomb being mentioned at any point in the movie.”

    It was a vibranium bomb wasn’t it?

    “The whole point of lifting the city in the first place was to just drop it from really really high, if he just wanted to bomb it then he could’ve made a nuke ”

    I kinda thought it was the combination of the two…
    Since there’s no nuke that can kill everyone on Earth.

    Even if it wasn’t meant to be a bomb, it was definitely a vibranium machine, which was producing a very high amount of concentrated energy. Enough to lift up that city.
    It makes sense that smashing it would release that energy and destroy the city it was casually lifting.

    I didn’t see it as a destructive feat for Thor or Ironman at all.
    Why smash the device to begin with if you just want to disintegrate the floating island?

  57. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 5:41 am -      #57

    “Thor could if you gave him the power stone, that’s what i was referring to.”

    That’s a baseless claim.
    We don’t know the specifics of how those gems function in MCU, and we have no idea if Thor knows how to or is capable of harnessing their power.

    “It didn’t suck. It was however waaaayyy too serious, like batman I lost my parents serious. Superman is supposed to be the opposite of Bats.”

    Well, he lost his entire planet/race… And then had to save his new planet/race from the last remaining survivors of his original one…
    That SHOULD be a more serious story than “my parents died in an alley. I am now the night. I am darkness. I am.. The Batman! Nanananananannaa”

  58. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 5:50 am -      #58

    ^ regarding the power gem, i feel like i should clarify myself

    We have no proof that Ronan would have actually destroyed the planet.
    He just thought he could. And he was a cocky arrogant motherfucker.

    The GotG later form a friendship circle with the gems power and basically have a Power Gem orgy. None of them have ANY ill effect whatsoever.

    So yea, its functionality is still left in mystery.

    Celestials could use them to destroy planets, sure,
    But considering the size of a Celestials head (a bit smaller than the moon maybe?), destroying a planet for them would have been the equivalent of destroying a big human sized boulder for us.
    The gem might have given them the extra Umph that they needed to do it.
    Doesn’t mean anyone can replicate the feat.

  59. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 5:55 am -      #59

    “The whole point of lifting the city in the first place was to just drop it from really really high, if he just wanted to bomb it then he could’ve made a nuke or… steal one…or a bunch…and fail…”

    Yeah I don’t think it was an actual bomb more like he turned the thing keeping half the city floating into a bomb.
    ===
    “That SHOULD be a more serious story than “my parents died in an alley. I am now the night. I am darkness. I am.. The Batman! Nanananananannaa”

    I know I know… I just miss the lighthearted side of superman. We got the one scene with him flying and then the wonder was gone.

  60. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 6:06 am -      #60

    Yea, the next movie doesn’t seem like it’s going to have a whole lot of wondrous moments either.
    Aside from maybe the ending… Where the Justice League is supposed to begin forming.

  61. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 7, 2015 at 6:09 am -      #61

    “Considering those robots were being taken out by black widow and Hawkeye without effort, it doesn’t speak much for their durability.”

    No, but I doubt Supes could survive his heart suddenly becoming Vision’s fist.
    =
    “It was a vibranium bomb wasn’t it?”

    I don’t believe believe it was.
    =
    “I kinda thought it was the combination of the two…
    Since there’s no nuke that can kill everyone on Earth”

    Why put a bomb on something that was already going to life wipe the planet? Seems redundant.

    And that’s why I said make one that could or steal all the ones that are already there.

    Plus, if it was a bomb, why did he try to steal nuke codes if he already have one?
    =
    “It makes sense that smashing it would release that energy and destroy the city it was casually lifting.”

    But they didn’t smash it, least I remember a giant tube like thing falling from the city.

    Either way, why would that vaporize the city? Sure, it’d fall apart and start crash landing, but I don’t see any reason as to why that would cause it to vaporize.

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    And you can see Thor’s strike begin to go through the city. Sure at some point it comes from underneath and not from his hit, but he definitely did level some of the skyscrapers and buildings up top(similarly to when he hit Cap’s shield in Avengers).
    =
    “Why smash the device to begin with if you just want to disintegrate the floating island?”

    Wasn’t said device at the center of the city? Could’ve just been it’s placement.

  62. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 6:18 am -      #62

    “No, but I doubt Supes could survive his heart suddenly becoming Vision’s fist.”

    I could alternatively say i doubt Visions fist would survive being inside Clarks body.
    it would be broken down to a molecular level. Where its long term exposure might cause some kind of illness or cancer or something to Clark, or some internal bleeding (if that)… But he can always just go ahead and get some sunlight for dat sweet sweet vitamin D.

    “But they didn’t smash it, least I remember a giant tube like thing falling from the city.”

    Wut..?

    “Either way, why would that vaporize the city? Sure, it’d fall apart and start crash landing, but I don’t see any reason as to why that would cause it to vaporize.”

    Similar to how a Nuclear Reactor that powers a city can destroy the city if it goes boom.
    Except in this case, the Nuclear Reactor was literally LIFTING the weight of the entire city,
    The contained energy in the Reactor would have been massive to lift it at a noticable speed, and make it fly into orbit.
    You break the whatever’s containing that energy, and you get a giant boom.

    As i said, it may not have originally been a bomb, but the Avengers did use it as one.

    “And you can see Thor’s strike begin to go through the city.”

    Or you know, it was just the reactor which had the same exact color.

    “Wasn’t said device at the center of the city? Could’ve just been it’s placement.”

    Why put so much emphasize on it if it was just for placement?
    Ironman specifically spent some time tweaking the reactor, before telling Thor to hit it.
    They not once told Thor to destroy the city, they told him to hit the vibranium reactor.

  63. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 6:33 am -      #63

    “And you can see Thor’s strike begin to go through the city.”

    Striking the thing connected to the power source that runs through the floating rock beneath the place after Tony tweaked it to destroy the place.
    ===
    “Yea, the next movie doesn’t seem like it’s going to have a whole lot of wondrous moments either.
    Aside from maybe the ending… Where the Justice League is supposed to begin forming.”

    That what I thought. We’ll probably have to wait till Flash or GL to inject some pleasant fun into the series. You can’t have an unfun flash, thats just madness.

  64. sadot06 May 7, 2015 at 7:02 am -      #64

    “What? Which trailer is this?”

    They showed a trailer counting down the last 5 episodes of this season. Teased scenes from the remaining episodes and one of them showed Barry without his mask back in his house the night his mom was killed. Also at the end of the Grodd episode, reverse Flash said he figured out how to get back to his timeline. His whole plan has been to use Barry’s power to allow him to travel back to the future.

  65. Friendlysociopath May 7, 2015 at 7:17 am -      #65

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11122/111223313/4523934-2791766307-ezgif.gif

    Actually for that “Thor smash city” thing- you can see the strike spread out from his location but the actual explosion comes from the bottom of the city, not the sides. Also if you watch carefully you can see lightning still striking the entire time until it cuts to the bottom of the city.
    Just how I see/saw it.

  66. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 7:23 am -      #66

    “Actually for that “Thor smash city” thing- you can see the strike spread out from his location but the actual explosion comes from the bottom of the city, not the sides.”

    He’s multi-building busting i suppose, but the majority of the destruction was from the bomb.
    There wouldn’t have been any reason to put emphasize on it otherwise.

    If Thor could have just disintegrated the city, he would have had many more opportune moments to do so.
    Tony specifically went to tweak the device at the center for a period of time, and then called in Thor to smash/trigger it.
    Heck Ultron even went there to defend it before running off. Because he didn’t want the Avengers to use it.

    “you can see lightning still striking the entire time until it cuts to the bottom of the city.”

    I actually don’t see the lightning spread across the city. It’s mostly just in the center vicinity, where Thor was.
    Not everything that’s Blue is Thors lightning.

  67. Friendlysociopath May 7, 2015 at 9:32 am -      #67

    He’s multi-building busting i suppose, but the majority of the destruction was from the bomb.

    Yeah, I’m just pointing out that everything before the cut to the bottom looks like Thor.

    I actually don’t see the lightning spread across the city.

    No, but you can see it striking multiple times:
    once for Thor’s initial hit
    and then you can see lightning continuing to strike the ground in the same location as the buildings start to shatter and fly as the shockwave from the hit spreads.

  68. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 7, 2015 at 2:01 pm -      #68

    “I could alternatively say i doubt Visions fist would survive being inside Clarks body.”

    We’ve seen Vision phase through things to tear them apart, why would phasing though organic material be any different? Phase in, turn to normal density at Clark’s chest, phase out. There’s nothing to suggest Clark could survive that while we’ve seen Vision do that to Ultron robots when he’d tear them apart(he’d phase inside of them and then turn back to to normal and tear them apart). He’d be doing the same thing we’ve already seen him do, except without tearing Clark in half.
    =
    “Wut..?”

    The vibranium tube Ultron made, it didn’t get destroyed, pretty sure you could see it falling from out of the city.
    =
    “You break the whatever’s containing that energy, and you get a giant boom.”

    This wasn’t a nuclear reactor though, IIRC it was just some magnetic and gravitational thing, why would something that isn’t explosive(like a nuclear reactor)suddenly turn into a bomb?
    =
    “Or you know, it was just the reactor which had the same exact color.”

    Friendly sees it too.
    =
    “Just how I see/saw it.”

    Same. Just like when Thor hit Cap’s shield and a the trees got knocked down in the first one.
    =
    “Because he didn’t want the Avengers to use it.”

    Wasn’t it just so they didn’t turn it off before it got to the height Ultron wanted.
    =
    “Yeah, I’m just pointing out that everything before the cut to the bottom looks like Thor.”

    I wouldn’t day all of it was, the initial few buildings were, since you see the shockwave knock them over, but after a while you start seeing energy come up from underneath the city.

  69. Friendlysociopath May 7, 2015 at 2:19 pm -      #69

    but after a while you start seeing energy come up from underneath the city.

    Yeah, I think that’s Thor’s attack and the lightning; he’s essentially hitting the ground with both physical strength and the lightning.

  70. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm -      #70

    “Yeah, I think that’s Thor’s attack and the lightning; he’s essentially hitting the ground with both physical strength and the lightning.”

    That energy was the thing rising the the place up. was spread throughout it. Pretty sure it wasn’t Thor just on the basis of the plan involving messing with the power source in the first place to achieve it.
    ===
    Also I’m surprised no is taking into account that it might be how Thor energy or hammer interacts with vibranium considering the exact same thing happened in a smaller scale with Cap’s shield.

  71. KalaDellexe May 7, 2015 at 2:29 pm -      #71

    As for energy coming out of the bottom of the city, Thor is basically hammering the top of a giant vibranium nail. Considering vibranium’s energy redirecting capabilities, it probably just dispersed the power of Thor’s attack down through the entire thing.

  72. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 2:31 pm -      #72

    Found it, gets Thor to hit it but that’ll only crack it so he decides to cap the other end so the energy builds up and vaporizes the landmass.

  73. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 2:39 pm -      #73

    “We’ve seen Vision phase through things to tear them apart, why would phasing though organic material be any different?”

    It’s not a matter of organic matter or none organic matter, but rather density & durability.
    Has vision shown to tear apart something as durable as Clark? Not that we know of.

    ” Phase in, turn to normal density at Clark’s chest, phase out. ”

    The problem here is that you’re assuming Visions body is more durable/dense than Clarks organs.
    If Vision materializes any part of his body inside Clark, durability feats would suggest Vision would simply crumble apart at a molecular level, whereas Clark would be largely undamaged.

    “The vibranium tube Ultron made, it didn’t get destroyed, pretty sure you could see it falling from out of the city.”

    Don’t recall this at all.
    And if something did fall out, it was probably the container rather than the reactor itself.

    “IIRC it was just some magnetic and gravitational thing, why would something that isn’t explosive(like a nuclear reactor)suddenly turn into a bomb?”

    I don’t recall ANYONE in the movie saying a single time that it was only magnetic & not explosive.
    I ask once again, why was Ironman specifically tweaking with it, and then ask Thor to specifically hit it… Rather than just tell Thor “hey buddy, how about you vaporize this island? cheers”

    And for the record, creating large amounts of gravity defying magnetic energy still requires… well… energy.
    You have something that powerful, and chances are it WILL create a boom if smacked recklessly with magical lightning.
    Specially after having a scientist tweak with it first.

    It was pretty clear the reactor was essential to that explosion. Otherwise no emphasize would have been put into it.
    You’re basically claiming all the scenes trying to reach it & tweaking with it & smashing it were all pointless… and just there for shits and giggles… since Thor coulda just vaporized everything whenever he wanted…?
    But that totally goes against the context of the plot & authors intent.

    “Wasn’t it just so they didn’t turn it off before it got to the height Ultron wanted.”

    I’m sure Ultron would have preferred the island falling and killing millions of people instead of blowing up and not falling at all.

  74. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 7, 2015 at 4:24 pm -      #74

    “Yeah, I think that’s Thor’s attack and the lightning; he’s essentially hitting the ground with both physical strength and the lightning.”

    I can see that.
    =
    “Also I’m surprised no is taking into account that it might be how Thor energy or hammer interacts with vibranium considering the exact same thing happened in a smaller scale with Cap’s shield.”

    I have…twice… Also, I don’t see why it would make a difference since vibranium’s meant to absorb vibrations:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=baEP7JpNFeE

    I’m thinking those shockwaves are less just vibranium and uru hitting each other and more the energy being dispersed from Thor’s strike to the surrounding area. If that makes sense.
    =
    “As for energy coming out of the bottom of the city, Thor is basically hammering the top of a giant vibranium nail. Considering vibranium’s energy redirecting capabilities, it probably just dispersed the power of Thor’s attack down through the entire thing.”

    Makes sense actually.
    =
    “Found it, gets Thor to hit it but that’ll only crack it so he decides to cap the other end so the energy builds up and vaporizes the landmass.”

    Ok, so he capped it so the energy from Thor’s hit and some atomic energy(that came from the anti grav machine…?)would disperse throughout the city and vaporize it?
    =
    “Has vision shown to tear apart something as durable as Clark?”

    That’s not what I’m saying he’s going to do though.
    =
    “If Vision materializes any part of his body inside Clark, durability feats would suggest Vision would simply crumble apart at a molecular level, whereas Clark would be largely undamaged.”

    Except we’ve never seen Clark deal with someone who could just phase through things, while we’ve seen that Vision can.

    Clark has no feats against phasing, while Vision has feats for phasing. I don’t see why Supes durability would come into play here at all.
    =
    “Don’t recall this at all.”

    It happened while IM was flying around the city. You could see a giant metal tube falling from the sky.
    =
    “And if something did fall out, it was probably the container rather than the reactor itself.”

    The whole thing was made out of vibranium though, IIRC.
    =
    “I don’t recall ANYONE in the movie saying a single time that it was only magnetic & not explosive.”

    I’m pretty sure that’s what they said kept the city together, although I guess that could’ve been the gravity part too, but I don’t recall explosive ever being mentioned as something it was.

    Although, Lowk showed Stark mentioning atomic energy, so I was wrong on that.
    =
    “I ask once again, why was Ironman specifically tweaking with it, and then ask Thor to specifically hit it… ”

    After watching the video all IM did was just put a cap on it and let the energy from Thor’s strike and whatever atomic energy there was reverberate from the vibranium and let that vaporize the city. Seems to me part of it was Thor’s strike, part of it was atomic energy.

    We can see that Thor did at the very least level the top part of the city, or a decent amount of it. After that, who knows how much was from the core or not.

    Kalla’s explanation makes the most sense to me though.
    =
    “It was pretty clear the reactor was essential to that explosion. Otherwise no emphasize would have been put into it.”

    I think it was just meant to distribute the energy better than Thor just hitting it would’ve, that’s what I’m getting after watching that video and reading Kalla’s response.
    =
    “I’m sure Ultron would have preferred the island falling and killing millions of people instead of blowing up and not falling at all.”

    He wanted it to fall from a certain height at a certain speed. They were trying to stop it from getting that high and falling at that speed. Yes, at some point it would’ve gotten too high for it to matter at which point Ultron would’ve been fine with it, but they could still slow down the decent. It got the city to fly up and you have two super geniuses trying to stop it from crash landing on the Earth. If they had enough time I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t have just got it descend back down at a speed where it wouldn’t of caused any damage to the planet. That’s what Ultron was trying to stop, then they ran out of time and opted for plan B, which was vaporize the city.

    By fighting against them he took precious time away from them that they could’ve used to figure out how to stop it from crash landing on Earth.

  75. Ragnorke May 7, 2015 at 4:53 pm -      #75

    @CH
    Lowk posted the video, where Tony is discussing the reactor/plan with his AI.
    He specifically says that he WANTS the “atomic action” in the vibranium reactor to trigger,
    He caps one end, and gets Thor to hit the other end.
    They used the “bomb” to vaporize the City.
    It’s word to word obvious at this point.

    “Ok, so he capped it so the energy from Thor’s hit and some atomic energy(that came from the anti grav machine…?)would disperse throughout the city and vaporize it?”

    The problem with this statement is that you say: “some” atomic energy, as if you’re low balling it & trying to still make it sound like a Thor feat.

    ALL the emphasize of the plot was put on that vibranium machine. NOT on Thors power.
    Authors intent suggests that Thor just needed to trigger it, by overloading it or breaking the container, and Tony helped with that by capping the other end.

    “I think it was just meant to distribute the energy better than Thor just hitting it would’ve, ”

    But you can’t prove that. At all.
    Find me a single instance in the movie which suggests Thor could do anything even REMOTELY similar to that explosion without the bomb. You can’t.
    I repeat, all the emphasize was put on the bomb, not on Thor.

    “We can see that Thor did at the very least level the top part of the city, or a decent amount of it.”

    At MOST this is a multi-building busting feat for Thor.
    But tbh even that could be chucked in as part of the bomb.
    Just because we see lightning doesn’t mean lightning was the cause.
    Specially when the Vibranium explosion was so similar in color scheme & theme.




    “Except we’ve never seen Clark deal with someone who could just phase through things, while we’ve seen that Vision can.”

    You still aren’t getting the point.

    Clarks ENTIRE body is Superhumanly durable. Not just his outer layer. This is proven by his innards not turning into goo when he smashes into mountains.

    For Vision to re-materialize after phasing into Clark, it’s going to be direct molecule-molecule collision between them.
    And guess which one of their molecules is proven to be more durable?
    Clark will survive (initially atleast), whereas Vision will be turned into molecular dust inside Clark.

    Being “phased” may make you incorporeal, but the second you re-materialize, you’re once again part of a physical reality.
    And thus you need to follow the physical laws of that reality.

    Vision was tearing apart the Ultron robots, because they were not Durable.
    Having the pressure of something suddenly materializing inside of them was too much for their molecules to take. Similar to a molecular bomb.
    But if Vision tries this inside Clark, it’ll be Visions body which won’t be able to handle the pressure, not Clarks.

  76. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 7, 2015 at 5:46 pm -      #76

    “He specifically says that he WANTS the “atomic action” in the vibranium reactor to trigger,”

    And he WANTS Thor to hit it, he thinks that would’ve been enough. The AI points out that would’ve just cracked it, but then he changes so that him capping it would’ve gotten the reaction from the atomic reaction and Thor’s hit to go back and vaporize the city. The reason he capped it was to keep the energy contained within the city solely as opposed to dispersing and not doing the intended effect.

    The atomic energy and Thor’s hit were already powerful enough to vaporize the city, but since it wasn’t capped at the bottom it would’ve just cracked the area.

    If it wasn’t for Thor’s strike then the reaction wouldn’t of happened in the first place, so yes, Thor was very crucial for that to happen. And if it wasn’t for IM capping the bottom then it wouldn’t of happened anyways.

    I pretty much see it as a city wide version of this:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3x2U4CaEs
    =
    “The problem with this statement is that you say: “some” atomic energy, as if you’re low balling it & trying to still make it sound like a Thor feat.”

    No, I’m saying “some” because I don’t recall where the atomic energy came from. Like “someone did this,” not “there was some piece of the pie left.” Sorry for the misunderstanding on that one.
    =
    “ALL the emphasize of the plot was put on that vibranium machine. NOT on Thors power.”

    I disagree, if it wasn’t for Thor’s power then the reaction wouldn’t of happened in the first place.
    =
    “Find me a single instance in the movie which suggests Thor could do anything even REMOTELY similar to that explosion without the bomb.”

    The fact Tony thought Thor was capable of doing it by himself.
    =
    “At MOST this is a multi-building busting feat for Thor.”

    You can see the immediate area around the city being leveled by Thor’s strike.
    =
    “But tbh even that could be chucked in as part of the bomb.”

    You see Thor’s strike is felt throughout the area around him before you see the city being destroyed from underneath.
    =
    “Just because we see lightning doesn’t mean lightning was the cause.”

    That’s not what I’m basing it off of, you see Thor’s shockwave from hitting the core knock over multiple buildings and leveling the area around him and then some. If that goes throughout the entire top of the city is debatable though.
    =
    “Clark will survive (initially atleast), whereas Vision will be turned into molecular dust inside Clark.”

    Why do you say initially?
    =
    “whereas Vision will be turned into molecular dust inside Clark.”

    Ok, I still don’t see how that would keep Vision from scrambling MoS heart, even if he did turn to dust inside.

  77. Limbo Lowk May 7, 2015 at 6:37 pm -      #77

    “If it wasn’t for Thor’s strike then the reaction wouldn’t of happened in the first place, so yes, Thor was very crucial for that to happen.”

    Or he is going off of the reaction it had with Caps shields. Thor seems to have that explosive reaction whenever hitting vibranium is involved. Which leads me to believe that it more to do with that relationships.
    Also no one else as strong as Thor has a hammer can channel lightning through shit. Just imagine Hulk trying to slap it down with his palm.

  78. Epicazeroth May 7, 2015 at 8:03 pm -      #78

    @Rag: “Considering those robots were being taken out by black widow and Hawkeye without effort, it doesn’t speak much for their durability.”
    Hawkeye was using explosive and electric arrows. Widow was using her electrified batons. It’s not like they were just punching the Ultrons.

    “It was a vibranium bomb wasn’t it?”
    It was an engine. They turned it into a bomb by capping one end.

    This is definitely at least a multi-building feat for Thor. The explosion can be explained as the engine exploding. But the vibranium itself – in other words, the part Thor is hitting – only redirects energy. So when Thor the actual vibranium, the concussive force from that shockwave is all him.
    ===
    @CH1C: “The vibranium tube Ultron made, it didn’t get destroyed”
    It got broken. The fragments of the vibranium and the city were what fell.

    “Ok, I still don’t see how that would keep Vision from scrambling MoS heart, even if he did turn to dust inside.”
    Because if Vision’s hand can’t survive, Clark’s heart won’t be affected.

  79. KalaDellexe May 8, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #79

    My interpretation of the vaporizing of the city feat is that while all of the energy came from Thor, it’s effect was magnified by the vibranium core. Here’s why I see it that way.

    According to Stark/Friday (new AI), Thor can deliver enough energy to crack the city apart.

    But this won’t do, cracking the city just means we have a lot of medium sized asteroids coming down, not just one big one.

    So Stark “caps” one end of the vibranium rod (don’t ask me how. Vibranium physics.) to make the force from Thor’s blow double back from the bottom of the core back up, like two waves crashing together.

    This effect of the original wave and reflected wave colliding causes the vibranium to pulse out all the energy of Thor’s attack outwards in a sustained/even pulse, vaporizing the city instead of cracking it like the simple attack would have.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WAtSrpRB98
    Keep in mind that Thor also does this in his first movie. A single blow down into the ground causing a massive shockwave. This is not even taxing for him. I think that Thor is definitely city-busting at his best. Not city-disintegrating, but definitely able to level the area.

    Oh yeah, CW-verse Atom got some upgrades. He can now fly at fighter jet-speeds (maybe), tank a missile from said fighter jet (also maybe), crash into that jet with enough force to rip through it (also a durability feat), and then also survive crashing into the ground afterwards.
    Can’t find an easy-to-watch video online anywhere. Might upload one in a few days if no one else does.

  80. Limbo Lowk May 8, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #80

    “So Stark “caps” one end of the vibranium rod (don’t ask me how. Vibranium physics.)”

    The vibranium is attached what is powering the landmass’ propulsion upwards. He’s probably talking about capping that energy so it will build up on the inside when Thor sets it off.

  81. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 8, 2015 at 1:43 am -      #81

    “Thor seems to have that explosive reaction whenever hitting vibranium is involved. ”

    I think it’s just dispersing the energy from the blow than it is a reaction. When we see IM blasting the shield you see it also deflecting his repulsor rays at about 0:10

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydoVJISdMcg

    The reason I don’t think anyone else gets that reaction is because no one else Cap has fought can hit as hard as Thor can.

    The only other time something similar like that happened that I can think of was when WS hit Cap’s shield at 1:40

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWg

    Even makes the same sound effects as when Thor did it in the first Avengers at 2:56.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x_3mvbZzbU

    And I haven’t heard that sound effect used any other time his shield gets hit. Looked at his fight with Baltroc and none of those same sounds were made, you could even watch the rest of his fight with WS, that sound is never made again even when he hits it a second after that initial hit.
    =
    ” Just imagine Hulk trying to slap it down with his palm.”

    I’d imagine the same thing would happen that happened when Thor hit it.
    =
    “It got broken. The fragments of the vibranium and the city were what fell.”

    Didn’t seem like it was destroyed, it was just one long metal tube from what I recall.
    =
    “Because if Vision’s hand can’t survive, Clark’s heart won’t be affected.”

    I don’t see why that still wouldn’t scramble his heart or why his durability matters in the first place. Do we have real life examples of things phasing through each other? If so, do we have real life examples of those things unphasing while within other material? If so, do we have examples of a weaker substance phasing through something stronger than itself and then unphasing inside it?

    If we don’t have any real life example for any of these then we have no idea how it would react in real life. In which case we go to feats, Vision has feats of him phasing through objects and materializing inside them, Supes doesn’t have feats of surviving that.
    =
    “My interpretation of the vaporizing of the city feat is that while all of the energy came from Thor, it’s effect was magnified by the vibranium core. Here’s why I see it that way.”

    While I agree with the fact Thor had a major part to play in it, IM does mention that there was atomic energy in play for that to happen. Well, at least the “vaporize the city” part, not so much the cracking it into pieces.
    =
    “A single blow down into the ground causing a massive shockwave.”

    You also see that happening at the end of the movie when he breaks the Rainbow Bridge. Granted, it’s made of an unknown material(so that explosion that happened could’ve just been the reaction of it being broken, doubt it though since that didn’t happen every time he broke it)and it took multiple hits(although he seemed to be hitting it harder when he finally broke it than all his other hits). 2:08-2:33

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn8w30rsVUE

    And you see the entire area shake during Thor’s fight with Malikeith in Thor 2. At about 1:17-1:21

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw6kSQ8B278
    =
    “The vibranium is attached what is powering the landmass’ propulsion upwards. He’s probably talking about capping that energy so it will build up on the inside when Thor sets it off.”

    I don’t think it’s just the energy he was capping off. The fact Tony thought Thor by himself could’ve done it tells us he thought Thor could’ve destroyed it. He doesn’t even mention the enegy till after Friday says that it’d crack the city.

  82. KalaDellexe May 9, 2015 at 5:32 pm -      #82

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjlggAYN1EM

    Oh hey, someone uploaded it.
    More CW-Atom feats.

  83. KalaDellexe May 13, 2015 at 2:23 am -      #83

    SEASON FINALE OF S.H.I.E.L.D. SPOILERS.

    More Skye feats, she can start tearing people apart from the inside by grabbing them. Also more “wave of force” type feats. While horribly weakened she has enough oomph to push a loaded Quinjet across the deck of an aircraft carrier and off the side. She also has enough precision to shake apart guns at will.

    Jiaying feats – Absorbs life-force from people through touch. Think kinda like Rogue in the X-men movies. This allows her to heal from physical injury rapidly. It also severely weakens and basically immobilizes the victim.

    Lincoln (the electricity dude) feats – ranged blasts, precision blasts to disintegrate metal, enough oomph to throw someone across a room.

    Also more stuff with Terragen crystals turning people to statues at a touch.

    There’s also a chick who can clone herself at will.

    Anyone want to discuss stuff? If some of the heavy-hitters on Marvel’s side can immobilize Supes for a bit, Jiaying might be able to lifesteal him away. Also terragen gasing might do him in.

  84. KalaDellexe May 13, 2015 at 11:16 pm -      #84

    QUESTION:
    Is the upcoming ‘Supergirl’ TV show included in this?
    Apparently part of Greg Berlanti’s (the exec producer of Flash/Arrow/Supergirl) contract was that Supergirl would tie into the CW Flarrow-verse.
    Not sure if ‘Supergirl’ ties in with Man Of Steel.

    If Supergirl is in then DC stomps a bit. One Supes was already bad enough, and it looks like Supergirl adds another heavyweight to DC’s side. Casual bullet-tanking, tanks a speeding semi running into her without moving, flight, strength. Nothing in the trailer about heat-vision though.

    There is still terragen-mist gasing though… People on MCU-side are more than willing to use it.

  85. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 13, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #85

    “Is the upcoming ‘Supergirl’ TV show included in this?”

    If it’s part of CW I don’t see why it wouldn’t. I do believe Titans is also going to be a part of it and they’re going to Legends of Tomorrow as well.
    =
    “Not sure if ‘Supergirl’ ties in with Man Of Steel.”

    Doubt it, DC seems to keep their TVverses and their Movieverses separate.
    =
    “it looks like Supergirl adds another heavyweight to DC’s side. Casual bullet-tanking, tanks a speeding semi running into her without moving, flight, strength. Nothing in the trailer about heat-vision though.”

    We haven’t seen anything that impressive from the trailer, besides catching the plane. I don’t think she’ll be as powerful as MoS Supes was, to be honest.

  86. KalaDellexe May 13, 2015 at 11:58 pm -      #86

    “We haven’t seen anything that impressive from the trailer, besides catching the plane. I don’t think she’ll be as powerful as MoS Supes was, to be honest.”

    Yeah. She will probably never be as powerful as MoS Supes, but she is stronger than a fair amount of MCU. Just eyeballing it from the trailer, she’s about equivalent to MCU Iron Man to me.

  87. Ordo11 May 14, 2015 at 12:00 am -      #87

    Umm, intangible robot man will fuck up pretty much all of DC people here.

  88. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 12:27 am -      #88

    “she is stronger than a fair amount of MCU”

    Based on what? She only has one feat that’s impressive in the trailer I saw, unless you saw another trailer, that’s not really something that can be said.
    =
    “Umm, intangible robot man will fuck up pretty much all of DC people here.”

    QFT

  89. Limbo Lowk May 14, 2015 at 12:33 am -      #89

    “Umm, intangible robot man will fuck up pretty much all of DC people here.”

    Intangible robot man isn’t always intangible and currently has little in the way of feats…
    Also didn’t Ultron momentarily knock Vision out of the fight physically?

  90. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets May 14, 2015 at 12:46 am -      #90

    “Intangible robot man isn’t always intangible and currently has little in the way of feats…”

    Well, he can go intangible and he can phase through people. Phase through someone, unphase, then phase out.

  91. KalaDellexe May 14, 2015 at 1:14 am -      #91

    “Based on what? She only has one feat that’s impressive in the trailer I saw, unless you saw another trailer, that’s not really something that can be said.”

    Again, just eyeballing from how I think the series will progress. Take every opinion of mine with a grain of salt.

    Even the couple feats in the trailer make her stronger than all the human/mildly enhanced humans. Hulk/Hulkbuster/Thor still get knocked back by impacts that should be less than a truck moving at that speed, but she doesn’t even budge. Off the top of my head, the only one who could replicate the feat would be Creel.

    Anyways, I could be horribly wrong, but we’ll find out when the series comes out.

    Also, Scarlet Witch mind screw should totally work on some of these DC people, right?

  92. Limbo Lowk May 14, 2015 at 4:44 am -      #92

    “Well, he can go intangible and he can phase through people. Phase through someone, unphase, then phase out.”

    And if the person happens to be faster then he can phase?
    ===
    “Also, Scarlet Witch mind screw should totally work on some of these DC people, right?”

    DC does have people who can make anti-mind screw tech. They might need to learn to make them more durable though.

  93. Ordo11 May 14, 2015 at 7:31 am -      #93

    She screwed with Thor’s head even though he had heavy mental safeguards.

    Also that robot you said didn’t matter has the mind stone set in his forehead, so superlasers are a thing, also the only time ultranationalist actually hits him is right after he burns away ultron’s connection to backups, and deletes the backups. He then faints and is punched by ultron.

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