Batman Must Die!

Hunt for the Batman head.

Suggested by LadyRamkin

Team 1 – Video Games

1)Bayonetta (Bayonetta) – Can not Layer her time slows. She can slow time by as much as her witch time ability ingame allows.

2)Dante (Devil May Cry) –  Pre-reboot.

3)Dracula (Castlevania) – Composite, includes feats from Soma Cruz and Gabriel Belmont.

4)Sora (Kingdom Hearts) – can use drive forms.

5)Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden).

6)Amaterasu (Okami).

Team 2 – Anime

1)Ichigo (Bleach) – as seen before his battle with Aizen since, He loses his powers after that and his new limits arn’t shown.

2)Xth Form Haseo first time here (.HACK) – Has powers available to him. Has memories of past life.

3)Luffy (One Piece).

4)Ryuko/Senketsu (Kill la kill) has The red scissor blade.

5)Allen Walker (D-gray man).

6)Natsu (Fairy Tail) assumed natsu is a demon, since its heavily implied but not actually confirmed.

Team 3 – Novels

1)Richard Rahl (Sword of Truth).

2)Rand al’thor (Wheel of Time)- no bale fire. due to hax, so, so much hax.

3)Harry Dresden (Dresden Files) – Has best gear.

4)Eragon (Inheritance Series) – no death words, or eldunari, does not know word of magic.

5)Percy Jackson (Percy Jackson) – Riptide will work on non immortal foes but will not do soul damage to them. Has Nemean Lion Armor, limited to 3 vitamins, greek fire bomb.

6)Elminster (Forgotten Realms). (Wait… Epic level DnD mage who have prep-time? And Silver Fire spell allowed? Even with just divinations… Wait…. WISH spell not banned? Evil laugh from Rookie.)

Team 4 – Sci-Fi

1)Kharn (Warhammer 40k).

2)Samus (Metroid) – If samus loses her suit she has her stun pistol.

3)Megaman X (Megaman X).

4)Raiden (Metal Gear).

5)The Meta (Red vs Blue).

6)Darth Vader (Star Wars) – EU feats allowed.

Target’s bodyguards – American Cartoons

1)Jackie Chan (Jackie Chan Adventures) Has all Talisman powers except, monkey. Dog makes him immortal but can still be torn apart and feel pain, horse will heal him eventually.

2)Omi (Xiaolin Showdown) first time here – Has the Orb of Tornami, Kaijin Charm, longai kite, shimo staff.

3)Aang (Avatar)

4)Jack (Samurai Jack)

5)Lok Lambert (Huntik) first time here.

6)Ben Tennyson, first time here (Ben 10). Has onitrix master code. No Alien X.

The target is: Batman (DC).

The first team to take the Batman’s head back to the their start area wins, the head must be seperated from the body. To avoid technicalities.

Batman and body gaurds have 3 days prep time to muster a defense and/or hide.

Full knowledge of those chasing them.

Target does not want to be caught by any of the teams.

Arena will be Midgar (Final Fantasy 7) Bodygaurds and Target start in ShinRa Central, After 3 days the other teams will enter from sectors 1, 3, 5 and 7 respectivly.

Metroid other M isn’t cannon. For reasons of simplicity. And that I HATE it.

Time manipulation is allowed but no full time stops.

Contributors:

LadyRamkin

CommanderCross

Friendlysociopath

Lowk

Alpha or Omega

Ragnorke

Wingedlion

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384 Comments on "Batman Must Die!"

  1. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 11:11 am -      #1

    Glad to see Xiaolin Showdown making its Debut. Omi’s a fantastic character.

    Initial bets on videogames, caus Time Slows & hax.
    Team Sci-Fi are the runner ups, caus Speed & Raw Firepower.

    I honestly think the Bodyguards have a good chance.
    Omi can freeze entire farmlands within seconds.
    And Aang’s… well… Aang.
    Ben 10 has some bonkers feats too if i remember correctly. Stopped watching after the original series,
    Add to this the fact that they’re given prep time with the god of prep time himself.

  2. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 11:14 am -      #2

    This went up WAY faster than expected, i was expecting at least two weeks…

  3. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 11:16 am -      #3

    Ben 10 has been here before, just never a solo round.
    ——
    I’m with Team 1, time hax and other things.
    —-
    Without Balefire, isn’t Rand just a great swordsman with good reflexes and some other spells? Him, Rahl, Percy, and Eragon might be a bit out of their league here…
    —–

  4. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 11:19 am -      #4

    You seriously underestimate Rand…
    and the rest of his team TBH.

  5. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 11:21 am -      #5

    @Ramkin
    Well, I know he can dodge lightning, but what else can he do?
    —–
    On past threads, Balefire was usually his main selling point.

  6. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 11:23 am -      #6

    Honestly I’m saying either Team Video Game or Team Bodyguard will take this.

    Jackie’s Talismans are no joking matter, there’s high and low-end feats but he should be able to go at least Mach 6 in speed with the Rabbit, Dragon and Pig are both capable of blowing up Tanks without problems, and Ox has split a mountain in half.

    Granted, is anyone here remotely capable of keeping up with Sora? He’s pretty damn fast going by certain feats and descriptions.

  7. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 11:25 am -      #7

    He can cast like, 100 spells per second, He created an entire MASSIVE lightning storm. He can make firey arrows, Tear up massive swarths of eath in firey explosions, And other things (havent actually read the books in years).

    “Balefire was usually his main selling point.”

    Being able to burn things out of existance backward through time…. would be ANYBODIES selling point…

    Team bodygaurd DOES have to fend of all four teams possibly at the same time. That is alot of hax coming their way.

    Though they do have Jackie to play healer

    Percy, Dracula, samus (possibley), and Ichigo(possibly have some kind of soul fuckery

    And Percy can put jackie down for good.

  8. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 11:30 am -      #8

    @Friendly

    Rand and possibly Ichigo could deal with Sora.
    —–
    @Ramkin

    Being able to burn things out of existance backward through time…. would be ANYBODIES selling point…

    Well, yeah. That’s just all I remember reading in the threads. But, now I know he has more spells.

  9. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 11:31 am -      #9

    On past threads, Balefire was usually his main selling point.


    Where’s Aelfinn when you need him haha.

    Let’s see, beginner’s guide to Rand:
    Shields that stop damn near anything.
    A portal of death he can command to zoom across the battlefield.
    And if the enemy draws magic from a source outside of themselves, he can cut apart their magic.
    And just general “Screw this area in particular!” spells.

  10. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 11:34 am -      #10

    Where’s Aelfinn when you need him haha.
    —-
    He typically comments anytime after 3:00 pm, East Coast Time. Him and Alpha both, actually.
    —–
    And it sounds like he can handle Sora quite well…

  11. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #11

    “A portal of death he can command to zoom across the battlefield.”

    Im pretty sure that only works on darkspawn, They are unable to use normal portal, gatway things too.

  12. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 11:39 am -      #12

    Funny enough, last time we checked, Teams 2 + 3 each have counters to that.

    Also, since fight arrives earlier-than-expected, the following in turn’s uttered sooner than expected as well.

    Hmmm, Rand al’Thor turning Sora to a bloody mist could be a sort-of ‘fun’ sight to behold, but I’m mostly here to go watch Xth form Haseo go duke it out with either Post-Changes Dresden or Styx-Enhanced Percy actually, unless of course Natsu winds up fighting one of the two, whichever one Natsu’s not fighting, I wanna see Xth Form Haseo fight the other, Best Gear and all.

    Xth Form Haseo fighting Styx-Enhanced Percy will just read like a more Dangerous alternate take on Percy’s fight against Carter Kane actually.
    Xth Form Haseo when he goes all-out may be more mobile than Styx-Enhanced Percy, but
    Styx-Enhanced Percy’s Combat Speed, Reactions and Reflexes are potentially higher, and The Tables may turn in Mobility if a Water Storm of any kind breaks out.
    Then again, if need be, Haseo may unleash Skeith but then Percy had to deal with Horus on Carter.

    Though then again, The Meta’s in there too along with MegaMan X, reasonable incarnations on both says they shouldn’t be ignored either.

    Something tells me that Batman may want to take advantage of the Chaos that’s bound to be unleashed.

  13. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 11:39 am -      #13

    “nd just general “Screw this area in particular!” spells.”

    This made me laugh

    “Well, I know he can dodge lightning, but what else can he do?”

    Im hesitant to ask…. but was that ever actually agreed upon?

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  14. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 11:47 am -      #14

    Of course the natural response to this match is
    “OMG Batman has More than one second prep time, so ofcourse he wins no matter what!!!!” *cough*NLF*cough*

  15. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 11:53 am -      #15

    @LadyRamkin at #14

    Just in case, does Rand have either Callandor or the Chodan Kal or even both on the field?
    If he has so much as The True Power reactions will be a lot less migraine-inducing to ask about.

    Not to mention Post-Changes Dresden(his overall second-in-command) has Soulfire AND The Power of Winter for their group, imagine what Spectacular HAX either of those on Rand’s or Elminster’s spells can do on a good day.

    As noted before, Xth Form Haseo or Natsu vs Styx-Enhanced Percy or Post-Changes Dresden would already be Highly Entertaining on its own, but Styx-Enhanced Percy vs Kharn may already border on Crazy to begin with since it’s mostly gonna ask ‘How good against Concussion is the Nemean Lion Armor?’ and stuff like that.
    Grant Xth Form Haseo Manga and Movie showings and I’m pretty sure he’ll be fine, he has Multiple Weapons and Best Gear after all, though Percy or Dresden each got some Aces up their sleeves somewhere, I’ll admit.

    Hmm, Richard Rahl vs Darth Vader or The Meta anyone?

  16. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 12:00 pm -      #16

    Im hesitant to ask…. but was that ever actually agreed upon?


    Considering it’s mostly a battle of interpretation, I actually sided with Aelfinn on that one. Which is good, that means at least one person on Team Novel at least has a chance of keeping track of Sora- because the rest of Team Novel sure as hell can’t.

    Clarification, only Batman and the Bodyguards have preptme right? Because giving a D&D Epic Wizard prep is asking for a universe to implode inside your undergarments (and that’s one of the BETTER scenarios).
    That said, ‘Wish’ isn’t nearly the NLF it can be in the game. In fluff books it’s extremely small-scale. Rookie, was it you who fought alongside me in that Gromph vs Dresden debate?
    Because Wish was used against Gromph and all it could do was destroy one of his magical items (also, Wish has been heavily nerfed in 5th edition, Elminster really- really- does not want to use Wish here.

  17. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #17

    Edit to scenario:
    This incarnation of Rand is before he bitchslaps Shaitan

    Cant beleive i forgot that…..

    HE also has the little fat bald man angreal
    – – –
    The Chodan kal won’t work without the big statue on the battle field.
    – – –
    “Grant Xth Form Haseo Manga and Movie showings”

    Dont they already count towards his canon?
    – – –
    “Clarification, only Batman and the Bodyguards have preptme right?”

    Yes

  18. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 12:02 pm -      #18

    So, ANYONE without any feats of willpower would be instantly knocked out within at least a city sized radius around Luffy. Kings haki well reek so much havoc here with this many misc people.

  19. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #19

    @Nsl
    “Without Balefire, isn’t Rand just a great swordsman with good reflexes and some other spells?”

    He takes on armies of Orc-ish monsters by cutting them in half with wind, calling down lightning storms, and creating giant portals leading to oblivion & moving them around the battlefield.
    It’s said that he casts dozens-hundreds of spells per second, but i’m not sure if that’s hyperbole or not.

    He can also make shields that i THINK should be capable of tanking building busting attacks at a minimum.
    Aside from that, it’s argued that he has lightning timing reflexes & has somewhat superhuman speed.

    @Friendly
    “Granted, is anyone here remotely capable of keeping up with Sora? He’s pretty damn fast going by certain feats and descriptions.”

    How fast?

    @Ramkin
    “Im pretty sure that only works on darkspawn, They are unable to use normal portal, gatway things too.”

    It instantly kills anything not human.
    But it can still kill humans by having them end up a million feat into the air.

    “Team bodygaurd DOES have to fend of all four teams possibly at the same time. That is alot of hax coming their way.”

    Wouldn’t they be fighting each other too?
    Team Bodyguard just has to do a good job at temporarily hiding batman, and needs to cause enough chaos to start a cluster fuck.

    ““OMG Batman has More than one second prep time, so ofcourse he wins no matter what!!!!” *cough*NLF*cough*”

    With enough prep time, he did take on Darkseid… Three times…

  20. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #20

    90% of the character here are Main protagonists they are usually Will power incarnate….. But you do have a point. Why do i never consider the obvious things???
    – – –
    “giant portals leading to oblivion & moving them around the battlefield.”

    We are talking about deathgates here right?? Because i am convinced that those simply teleport people they hit to a random location. The only reason they are effective is becuase Darkspawn cant use Gatways.
    – – –
    “Wouldn’t they be fighting each other too?”

    I did say possibly 4 teams at once. While the teams will fight eachother The bodygaurds are gaurduing their main target.

  21. Ordo11 March 23, 2015 at 12:06 pm -      #21

    No Styx but op lion skin really?

  22. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 12:08 pm -      #22

    What stops Eminster from casting wish at the start of the fight and win?

  23. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:09 pm -      #23

    “giant portals leading to oblivion & moving them around the battlefield.”

    We are talking about deathgates here right?? Because i am convinced that those simply teleport people they hit to a random location. The only reason they are effective is becuase Darkspawn cant use Gatways.
    – – –
    “Wouldn’t they be fighting each other too?”

    I did say possibly 4 teams at once. While the teams will fight eachother The bodygaurds are gaurduing their main target.

  24. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 12:10 pm -      #24

    “So, ANYONE without any feats of willpower would be instantly knocked out within at least a city sized radius around Luffy

    90% of the character here are Main protagonists they are usually Will power incarnate”

    Being a strong willed person and having feats for Willpower are quite different imo.
    Can you clarify how this works? and what exactly qualifies as “willpower”?

  25. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:11 pm -      #25

    “No Styx but op lion skin really?”

    Both make him really durable, but styx buffs his strength speed reflex ect. Its not exactly like i could give him both, he would be unkillable.
    – – –
    “Being a strong willed person and having feats for Willpower are quite different imo.
    Can you clarify how this works? and what exactly qualifies as “willpower”?”

    I’m pretty sure for conqueres haki to not work on you, you have to be strong willed, the only people it really effects are fodder.

  26. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #26

    “90% of the character here are Main protagonists they are usually Will power incarnate….. ”

    This may be true, but ALOT of these series have no such thing as willpower. Like meta, samurai Jack, Jackie Chan… Etc.

  27. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 12:13 pm -      #27

    @Ragnorke

    “and what exactly qualifies as “willpower”?”

    In OP verse if you don’t have Haki you are most likely use to someone who have such strong Haki as Luffy without even fighting against him, just because you are in presence of this person.
    So it’s telephaty, pure raw telephaty. Mental resistance feats is a must IMO.

  28. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:14 pm -      #28

    Will power isnt really a supernatural thing that is native to a specific universe…

    Some universes use it in weird ways but thats besides the point.
    – – –
    “So it’s telephaty, pure raw telephaty. Mental resistance feats is a must IMO.”

    Not really… there are 3 types and all do differnt things
    – – –
    There was that one time where shanks and whitbeards Conqueres haki clashed and it parted the clouds above them

  29. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #29

    How many level 9 spells Elminster can cast I forgot? Even one level 9 spell will win this fight for him (Wish) with second he can just stop Luffy’s Haki from working.

  30. Amm0vamp1r3 March 23, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #30

    My money is on team VG because Dracula, Bayo and Dante

  31. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 12:18 pm -      #31

    @LadyRamkin

    “Not really… there are 3 types and all do differnt things”

    True, but we are talking about Haki which could KO’ed persons without fighting.
    Other two types Haki nasty too, but you don’t need to have mental resistance to counter them.

  32. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #32

    It doesnt work on anybody that is particularly central to the plot. The only people it has ever really effected are nameless fodder dude. Im not convinced you need special mental resistance feats for it to not work on you.

  33. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm -      #33

    @LadyRamkin

    “It doesnt work on anybody that is particularly central to the plot. The only people it has ever really effected are nameless fodder dude. Im not convinced you need special mental resistance feats for it to not work on you.”

    The ones who were immune were drugs addicts. And good guys. Drugs addicts may be immune cause they were high on drugs.

  34. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:23 pm -      #34

    All 3 of the gorgan sisters were immune, as were a majority of white beards crew.

  35. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #35

    How fast?

    Depends, how fast do you have to be going for everyone and everything around you to freeze in place for several seconds?

    Also he’s able to react to enemies with descriptions stating their attacks ‘leave lightning in the dust’.
    He’s able to dodge and deflect attacks that are described as ‘supersonic’.
    And he’s able to deflect a bullet and then teleport behind said bullet to hit it again.
    So, somewhere North of a Lightning-Timer I would imagine.

    What stops Eminster from casting wish at the start of the fight and win?

    1) Wish isn’t that powerful, never in a novel have I read of it having anywhere near the NLF power it can have in campaigns. At best it can destroy a magic item- it’s not the OP reality-warping spell it once was. www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Wish
    2) Also, as of 5th edition, using Wish takes so much out of you you’ll take damage if you cast anymore spells within 10 days or so.

  36. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #36

    Luffy knocked out exactly 50,000 people in a city sized arena. He didn’t even break a sweat.

  37. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 12:26 pm -      #37

    @LadyRamkin at #17

    The answer would be ‘yes they’d be there’ really.

    I take it that Callandor is also gonna be there, minus the Over-clocking and all that jazz.

    The Power Levels are Bloody insane when you think about it.

    Also in regards to Luffy’s presence, Percy’s been around the likes of Chiron or the 3 Olympian Sons of Kronos in particular if that helps in the least bit, but Percy rarely gets to see what they’re Truly Capable of if at all and even then, said showings are mostly ‘Tip of the Iceberg’ stuff most of the time.
    (Events from The Blood of Olympus Aside of course, since Percy was there in person.)

    I’m quite sure Ryuko Matoi could track Sora just fine, and with her second-most powerful incarnations, she’d do far more than just that if she’s fighting Sora.
    Styx-Enhanced Percy on a Rainy day could Track Sora Potentially, but then again a lot of folks on the side Sora’s with might be able to deal with Storms for all I’d know if Rand, Post-Changes Dresden and Elminster were unavailable.

    —-

    The Ironic thing regarding (Original!-) Kite or Haseo in particular?
    Have them either swap worlds with Percy or Jason of New Rome and on a good day they might have better odds with less Possession involved.

    Or even better?

    Have (The Original!-) Kite start on New Rome and have Haseo start in Camp Half-Blood themselves, specify the starting points and then have them hired to help train promising new recruits and stuff.

  38. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 12:26 pm -      #38

    50,000 faceless nameless people whose only real ability was that they could hold a weapon. 50,000 out of 100,000, a full 50% of the faceless nameless dudes were completely unaffected, and they are totally featless

  39. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 12:37 pm -      #39

    “50,000 faceless nameless people whose only real ability was that they could hold a weapon. 50,000 out of 100,000, a full 50% of the faceless nameless dudes were completely unaffected, and they are totally featless.”

    Now you just seem to be downplaying a lot. Half of that 50k was probably fishmen. Those guys are easily superhuman seeing as the manga said they all had the strength of ten men, or something like that. The other half would all be experienced pirates that survived the first half of their journey. They all got stopped before they entered the new world.

  40. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm -      #40

    Hmm, too bad the Meta can’t Time Travel in current incarnation, that would’ve been fun.
    (Also, I just realized, how the HELL did we not get someone from RWBY in here?!)

    Pretty sure just by virtue of having the will to fight everyone here has the required “willpower” to stand against Conquerer Haki.

    Drat, I was hoping this wouldn’t be up immediately, I’ve only gone through 3 episodes of Huntik- I’ve only just begun recording feats!
    Here’s Lok’s page on the Huntik wiki anyways
    huntik.wikia.com/wiki/Lok_Lambert
    It should be noted that most of Lok’s buffing spells can also be used on others.

    www.goodanime.eu/huntik-episode-2
    4:15-4:26
    Hyper Stride speed feat, leaping across nearly a city block in a few seconds
    17:06-17:10
    Touchram power feat, hurls two grown men backwards, in episode 3 it blows a hole through a building wall.
    19:10
    Titan summon speed, nearly instant

  41. batman3.14 March 23, 2015 at 12:47 pm -      #41

    What if Batman gets a green lantern/ yellow lantern ring? Would that change the result of the battle? What if his bodyguards additionally get lantern rings?

  42. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 12:51 pm -      #42

    Eh, Percy is freakishly durable without items and enchantments.
    —–
    The only feat I remember the Lion Skin having is being bulletproof. Percy does fine without it.
    —–
    So, who are the heavy hitters for each team? Like, the ones that can do the most damage and stuff?
    —-
    @Batman
    Where will he find Lantern Rings in Midgar?

  43. Aelfinn March 23, 2015 at 12:59 pm -      #43

    I absolutely, POSITIVELY, believe that ptaine misinterpreted the scene where Rand blocks lightning. I personally believe it is VERY clear that Rand lightning-times, and that ptaine didn’t pick up on the author’s intent.

    That being said, so long as ptaine shows up, I agreed to use a reaction time of triple-digit microseconds/single-digit milliseconds. I couldn’t stand all Rand debates turning into a clusterfuck over that one particular quote anymore.

    So while I personally believe that Rand can lightning-time, there’s evidence to say that he is at least hypersonic+ when it comes to channeling.

    On a physical level, he sword-fights with supernaturally strong and fast creatures fairly regularly. Nothing anime-level, mind-you, but definitely super/peak-human.
    =
    On the mention of willpower, Rand has will-powered his way out of semi-mind-control and has also survived the onslaught of the multiverse-busting incarnation of evil and hate using his willpower (was magic involved? I don’t think so, but he was outside of all realities at the time…).

    I believe Richard will-powered his way through the kind of magical torture that makes you feel maximum pain or something like that, so I think he should be good, too.
    =
    =
    But in terms of Rand’s feats, bar balefire but with fat-man angreal…

    He has “shattered” a mountain, created “deathgates” that can slice through anything while teleporting those pieces…anywhere, created “Arrows of Fire”, which are spammable tendrils of super-hot magic that flash-vaporize the water in your body and make you explode, created “Blossoms of Fire”, which are spammable multi-ton explosions, he has frozen enemies solid (to the point where they break up like in terminator), lit enemies on fire (with no visible projectile), called down lightning, made enemies un-exist, and can spawn hill-melting amounts of fire from five miles away.

    He once broke an army of at least 100,000 (probably way, way more) giant beast-men by himself.
    He can cut people off from their magic.
    He can make himself invisible, or look like anyone he wants to (within a reasonable level of his height).
    There’s some reason to believe he can time-stop people.
    His gateways let him travel to pretty much anywhere on the planet, and WoG suggests he could get to others.
    He’s made magical wards that will kill anyone who touches them.
    He’s made shields that, according to him, can “keep anything out except balefire”. This includes magic, and at that point in the series he’s encountered and held “world-melting” amounts of the One Power (his universe’s magic).
    By using Air, he can simulate telekinesis and pick objects/people up without touching them.
    He can slice through and negate other people’s magic.
    Furthermore, holding his magic gives him low-superhuman senses.

    Balefire is the cherry on top. It’s just a really big cherry.
    =
    (Now, some of you are thinking he’s OP, and that his books must be stupid, but really every magic user in the series can do what he does, just not to the same scale. Plus, the fights he has aren’t really the point of the series.)

  44. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #44

    So, if Team Video Game gets their Time Manipulation off right from the start, Rand could just turn it off?
    —–
    Or does he have to be near the caster to screw with their magic?

  45. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:04 pm -      #45

    @Nsl98

    “So, who are the heavy hitters for each team? Like, the ones that can do the most damage and stuff?”

    Eminster is most dangerous.
    First divinations. Even before match starts he and his team already know everything about other teams, their locations, weaknesses, strong points, abilities and characters.
    Second wish spell: www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Wish
    He cast it, he says that he wanted Batman’s head (but he must be carefull with words otherwise he will literally have Batman’s head instead of his own) and he wins. Or he turns everybody else blood into water.
    Wish kinda hax like that.

  46. Amm0vamp1r3 March 23, 2015 at 1:05 pm -      #46

    Dracula’s abilities

    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=40603
    www.castlevaniadungeon.net/Arsenal/ariasouls.html
    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=147317

  47. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 1:07 pm -      #47

    “Pretty sure just by virtue of having the will to fight everyone here has the required “willpower” to stand against Conquerer Haki.”

    Why would this ever be true? If it knocked out 50k people who all wanted to chop Luffy to bits. That itself disproves your statement. Like someone said above, translated into a universal explanation, resisting this world require a far greater than average degree of telepathy resistance. Or another type of in universe resistance feat could work if it’s close enough to be compatible with telepathy.

  48. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #48

    I am with @pimpmage on this one. Haki may be raw, crude version telepathy (although the fact that user can control it to some degree and not KO’ed his allies kinda states against that, but let’s say it crude to easier the things), but it still work like mental attack.

  49. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #49

    You are describing uses of the wish a
    Spell that exponentially outweigh and ruled limits of that spell. Someone cannot wish themselves a to become a God, or anything extreme like that. If you think of an outcome that is exponentially stronger than ruled uses, it WILL backfire on the caster in the worst way. Like wishing yourself to become a God could make you into a book where you exist as a deity within a fairy tail.

  50. Aelfinn March 23, 2015 at 1:18 pm -      #50

    “So, if Team Video Game gets their Time Manipulation off right from the start, Rand could just turn it off?
    —–
    Or does he have to be near the caster to screw with their magic?”


    Well, Elemental Compatibility would have to be considered, along with the radius of said time manipulation…but, he uses his magic to mess with other people’s magic, so it would have the range of his magic. His maximum stated range is five miles, I believe, but that was like, half-way through the series. Yeah, if we say their magics are compatible, Rand can turn stuff off.

  51. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:23 pm -      #51

    @pimpmage

    “You are describing uses of the wish a
    Spell that exponentially outweigh and ruled limits of that spell. Someone cannot wish themselves a to become a God, or anything extreme like that. If you think of an outcome that is exponentially stronger than ruled uses, it WILL backfire on the caster in the worst way. Like wishing yourself to become a God could make you into a book where you exist as a deity within a fairy tail.”

    Getting head of non-magical human (Batman) is perfectly within Wish abilities. Sure Dante and Bayonetta might count as minor demigods and wish migh backfire if Elminster uses it against them, but using Wish to create a safe portal or in order to safely use imprisonment www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Imprisonment against them is fully within Wish abilities also.
    And I am not sure if Wish will backfire when Elminster try to use it to directly harm Dante or Bayonetta. If Szass Tam was able to use Wish to create artifitial world in his own pocket dimension, surely Elminster can use Wish against minor demigods with no harm for himself.

  52. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 1:23 pm -      #52

    Also, depending on what you use wish I on, targets have the chance to resist the effects. Resisting it would be the same as resisting another spell at the 9th level.

  53. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #53

    @pimpmage

    “Also, depending on what you use wish I on, targets have the chance to resist the effects. Resisting it would be the same as resisting another spell at the 9th level.”

    To my knowledge Batman should have very low magic resistance.

  54. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 1:26 pm -      #54

    He has prep with knowledge of all his enemies though.

  55. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #55

    @pimpmage

    “He has prep with knowledge of all his enemies though.”

    How will this save him from Wish? I mean, you don’t even need divination (and Elminster will use divination still, he is Epic Level mage after all) to kill non-mage with Wish. Even Epic Level mages are afraid of this spell and they have tons of magic defences on them.

  56. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 1:37 pm -      #56

    @LadyRamkin and FriendlySociopath

    Would you two be so kind as to go have a look at the link to this thread then?

    Your aid is needed for it.

    Also, what may say everyone on Super Robot Wars vs Kingdom Hearts + Sword Art Online unless SRW vs Marvel sounds far better, actually?

    —-

    *Back to fighting at hand*

    Also the last I checked, Styx-enhanced Percy and Xth Form Haseo(with the right Gear) will be fine against Enemy Time Powers, and so would Potentially Post-Changes Dresden as well.

  57. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 1:39 pm -      #57

    I thought Rand could only cut apart magic when it drew energy from elsewhere? So long as the magic comes from within the character, you shouldn’t really be able to cut the “weaves” because they aren’t drawing the power from anywhere.

    Actually, Elminster probably could wish for Batman’s head- that would indeed by within the rules of the spell. That doesn’t mean Batman himself would even die or know it happened, Elmiinster could just have a perfect copy of Batman’s head. The argument could be made that it isn’t the Batman’s head but it would be a Batman head.
    Also, consider that without prep, Elminster has to be divination-ing in real-time while everyone else is fighting; not the best strategy to get to Batman first.

    Also, can we all just agree that Jackie doesn’t give the Talismans to Batman? That would make harming Batman virtually impossible.

    The Rabbit Talisman exceeds Mach 18 by a substantial margin (Jade goes from California to Florida is less than a minute).
    The Ox gives you enough strength to split a mountain in half.

    Dragon and Pig both allow you to energy blasts strong enough to destroy a tank.
    Dog and Horse together makes you outright invulnerable, you are not hurt when struck and your regen is very near Deadpool/Wolvereine levels.
    Rooster grants telekinesis strong enough to easily lift a tank and throw it through a building.
    Rat allows you to bring motion to the motionless, so any statue or figure that can be found can be brought to life.
    Snake allows you to become invisible.
    Tiger allows you to split yourself into two beings.
    Monkey was banned for some reason.
    And Sheep… we don’t talk about Sheep.

  58. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:42 pm -      #58

    @Friendlysociopath

    “Actually, Elminster probably could wish for Batman’s head- that would indeed by within the rules of the spell. That doesn’t mean Batman himself would even die or know it happened, Elmiinster could just have a perfect copy of Batman’s head. The argument could be made that it isn’t the Batman’s head but it would be a Batman head.”

    Still counts as win)))))
    But anyway, Elminster is the best of the best. There is very low chance that he will make such mistake, but it is posiible.
    Still he should be able to cast at least two Wish spell so one way or the other…

    “Also, can we all just agree that Jackie doesn’t give the Talismans to Batman? That would make harming Batman virtually impossible.”

    Wish to destroy nasty talisman….

  59. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 1:49 pm -      #59

    @Friendlysociopath
    1) Jackie has the powers of the talismans, not the talismans themselves much the way Jade did.

    2) monkey was banned because I didn’t want the bodyguards to win by virtue of every other combatant being a puppy.

    3) Jackies description clearly says he can be physically wounded

    4) We made a fourum post in order to make this as balanced as possible (or at least more balanced than the first one) and you are telling me that you got me to add a character THAT CAN JUST WISH TO WIN?!?!?!!?!?!

    I am almost annoyed.
    – – –
    @Commander Cross
    I only recognise Man of steel, in that thread and I haven’t seen the film.. sorry.

  60. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 1:53 pm -      #60

    @LadyRamkin

    “add a character THAT CAN JUST WISH TO WIN?!?!?!!?!?!”

    To be honest, you still didn’t use your privilege to change something in rule. It is beyong 50 posts, so you can use it only one last and only time now, but you can change rules.
    Just saying))))

    “THAT CAN JUST WISH TO WIN?!?!?!!?!?!”

    Epic Level DnD mages are nasty ones.
    Mostly because they are paranoid and competent.
    Can you imagine that they always shield themself in protective spells, and there is like dozens of such spell, every day? And most of the days they don’t even fight.

  61. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 1:54 pm -      #61

    Seriously, Elminster can’t spam Wish- nobody can now- 5e nerfed the crap out of most magic (Although being a Cleric now is AWESOME). Elminster can cast it once, doing it again is asking for injury and permanent loss of magic spark. Even Elminster doesn’t spam Wish in his stories.

    So let’s see… Eragon then…
    Strong enough to create shockwaves with his sword
    Able to ignite his sword to cut through magically reinforced caste-gate metal (read, thick).
    Can just draw energy from the world around him for anyone not shielded against such a thing.
    Can fly faster than an arrow flies
    Has punched straight through armored soldiers
    And can mind-rape his enemies if they’re within range- which is… crap, I forget, I think it’s small to city to large city in range.

    THAT CAN JUST WISH TO WIN?!?!?!!?!?!

    To be fair, that’s because he can’t just Wish to win. The goal is to get ‘THE’ Batman head, not ‘A’ Batman head. Also, Wish has been heavily nerfed and has not been proven to do what he wants nor have the range to do so.

  62. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 1:55 pm -      #62

    Change what though? I dont know anything about the character so i cant impose any meaningful restrictions on him, and the reason he was picked in the first place was the no one else was coming to mind..

  63. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 2:01 pm -      #63

    @LadyRamkin

    “Change what though? I dont know anything about the character so i cant impose any meaningful restrictions on him, and the reason he was picked in the first place was the no one else was coming to mind..”

    Disable his Wish and portals spells. These ones for sure, otherwise he and his team can just sit in the other dimension and snipe enemies with spells all while having a tea party even without using wish spell. And plague spells. Those are nasty. And damage reversal spells. Otherwise the first one who will hit Elminster in melee will take all the damage he inflicted back on him.
    @Friendlysociopath may be able to help what else spels you need to disable, because I don’t know much about top level spels in DnD.

  64. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 2:02 pm -      #64

    Edit TIMER!
    www.aidedd.org/dnd_sorts/index.php?id=181&vo=1
    Wish has the range, but even Batman gets a save, and his Will should be extremely high so resisting the magic shouldn’t be an issue.

    Honestly, most of what he does should be pretty fair game. The best spells all require casting times or prep to use effectively. Elminster doesn’t have access to every spell in the DnD handbook- he can only use the spells he’s been shown to use; same as Gromph and any other D&D Wizard. Just being a great mage doesn’t mean he has every spell- hell, it means the exact opposite; Wizards NEED to learn spells, they don’t just know them.

    If you *really* feel the need to nerf him, just bar all level 9 spells. Combatants aren’t allowed to flee to other dimensions if other can’t follow right?

  65. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 2:04 pm -      #65

    “So, who are the heavy hitters for each team?”

    Best guess
    Sora and Bayonetta

    Ryuko and Ichigo ( whom has the abilty to use the final getsuga tenshou)

    Rand and aparently Elminster

    Raiden and samus

    Aang and Jackie

    But im not 100% familiar with everyone so, im most likely wrong somewhere

  66. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 2:08 pm -      #66

    How strong is current Allen Walker?

  67. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 2:08 pm -      #67

    “if you *really* feel the need to nerf him, just bar all level 9 spells”

    I’ll let it play out, if shit gets too ridiculous i’ll nerf him

  68. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 2:13 pm -      #68

    @LadyRamkin at #59

    The Man of Steel!-version of Supes isn’t-at-all the version intended in play, and it’s a Superman + Marvel 616 Thor Tag-Team match actually.

    Anyway, it looks like Elminster could solo Sora before Rand gets half-a-chance?
    How very interesting.

    @FriendlySociopath

    Do you go on Skype by chance?

  69. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 2:14 pm -      #69

    There are so many different power sources in this match, we really should determine what will be elementally compatible with what.

  70. Amm0vamp1r3 March 23, 2015 at 2:14 pm -      #70

    So what is that whole post 50 rule thing gone?

  71. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 2:14 pm -      #71

    @Friendlysociopath

    “Combatants aren’t allowed to flee to other dimensions if other can’t follow right?”

    Why not? Teleport Batman into pocket dimension in the middle of the fight, gank on him with your entire team, put his hea into stasis, then wait untill everybody else die from the old age or will be distracted, step from pocket dimension and teleport yourself to the starting location.
    This is one of the possible strategies.
    The other is to transmutate Batman into water… But about head… yeah, this one will likely not work.

  72. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 2:30 pm -      #72

    @Amm0 at #70

    The other Contributors are allowed to alter some aspects of the rules if the majority of them all agree to this ruling, the last I checked.

    This fight is Crazier than I expected, and I don’t know how well Xth Form Haseo vs either Post-Changes Dresden or Styx-Enhanced Percy can go at the moment, no one went around to address it either.
    o_O’

  73. Rookie March 23, 2015 at 2:35 pm -      #73

    What is the musical theme for each of the team by the way?

  74. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 2:53 pm -      #74

    @Rookie at #73

    For Team 2, I’d have gone with something by Yuki Kajiura like Duel With A Witch From The (Main) Madoka Magica Anime actually, for Mysticism’s sake.
    Funny enough, it was between The Dot Hack universe or Madoka Magica with which ones get any of their representatives sent on board, Haseo’s straw was the shortest actually. ^_^’

    —-

    As for the other Musical Themes for the other Teams?
    I dunno, we never got to sort that bit out, I apologize for that.

    Team 03 would need a fitting Music Number, and we can’t just use Ride The Lightning since neither Jason of New Rome or Thalia are on it themselves either.

  75. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 2:58 pm -      #75

    What is the musical theme for each of the team by the way?

    Hmmm… not sure the Novels have a theme since they… don’t have sound. This probably would be in the right area for clusterfuck this is:

  76. Limbo Lowk March 23, 2015 at 3:10 pm -      #76

    Ben could potential bring Bats suit up a level with upgrade. Possible up to superhuman levels. That or help him build just about anything he needs with jury rig or greymatter.
    I think team techno could actually help since one of upgrades powers in the ability to copy technology that it has touched.

  77. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 3:12 pm -      #77

    “Ben could potential bring Bats suit up a level with upgrade. Possible up to superhuman levels. ”

    *cough cough* batsy is already superhuman.

  78. Limbo Lowk March 23, 2015 at 3:27 pm -      #78

    You know what me mean.
    Legit unqeustionable levels of superhuman. Like building levels of destructiveness.

  79. Limbo Lowk March 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #79

    Oh yeah and I think Ben current incarnation is Adult Ben who can mix alien power. So time manipulating being with tech copy abilities is a thing he’d be capable of.

  80. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 3:43 pm -      #80

    A good Hit from any of the Data Drain Variants will wreck anyone’s day, Styx-Enhanced Percy and Post-Changes Dresden will want to avoid like The Bubonic Plague.

    That in mind, can Ben Copy Magic yet?

    I still wanna see how Natsu would fare against Samurai Jack or either Post-Changes Dresden or Styx-Enhanced Percy actually.

    Wonder how Fast is Jackie with The Talismans and the Armor of the Gods in terms of Reactions, Reflexes and Combat Speeds next to Ryuko Matoi at her second-strongest incarnations actually.

  81. Numinous One March 23, 2015 at 3:50 pm -      #81

    “assumed natsu is a demon, since its heavily implied but not actually confirmed.”

    Didn’t notice this on my first read through.
    Really?
    You’ve given Natsu his E.N.D incarnation? The demon that was created for the sole purpose of killing Zeref and the one that prompted Acnologia to fly across country to try and kill it before it became a threat.

    That’s automatically island nuking territory via powerscaling.
    Which is gonna happen soon, the parallels established between FT and RAVE recently show Mashima intends to go down the same path.

  82. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #82

    What’s Elminster’s reactions? The moment this fight starts, Team 1’s Slows are up.
    —-
    And @Ramkin
    When you say Stop is banned, what about some of Sora’s attacks? Some of them outright cause Stop.

  83. Alpha or Omega March 23, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #83

    @Lady Ramkin
    No, Samus and Raiden are not the heaviest hitters of the sci-fi team. That would go to Megaman X.
    /
    Megaman X can take megaton level nukes with relative ease.
    Megaman X is capable of dodging lightning and hitting the ground hard enough to create an earthquake and has a body better than regular Megaman.
    /
    He has a mapping system that can map entire levels such as airships, mines, and cities.
    His teleportation allows him to go as far as the moon.
    He also has a defense against a reality warping virus.
    /
    This is without giving him every weapon and armor upgrades.

  84. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 4:27 pm -      #84

    Megaman is sounding tough….
    —–
    So that’s him and Rand who can keep up with Sora…maybe Ichigo.
    —–
    Are we all in agreement that Midgar is probably going down hard? Cuz that’s what it’s looking like…

  85. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 4:47 pm -      #85

    Can’t Jackie just bullrush Rand?
    Rand will not survive a hypersonic building-mountain buster blitzing him. Like he has absolutely no chance.

    Knowing Batman, he’s going to come up with the ideal way to get rid of all the big players as soon as possible.

    Aang & Omi working together could easily Sink/Freeze everything in a several mile radius, which instantly gets rid of most of the canon fodder characters in this match.

  86. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 4:55 pm -      #86

    Are we all in agreement that Midgar is probably going down hard?

    It’s in ruins anyways, nobody lives in Midgar after FF7, they build a new city called Edge that’s located… on the edge… of it.

    Actually, (and I fully admit this was my “haha” feeling when Ramkin accepted my Midgar suggestion) this isn’t like MC having nothing to work with when he was stuck in the Attack on Titan city-
    Let me ask you all, What’s in Final Fantasy VII? Oh right, MATERIA BABY, buyable at local and nonlocal stores near you!

  87. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 5:06 pm -      #87

    You guys really intend to blow every jca talisman feat out of proportions huh… Jackie never performed either of those feats you insist on giving him. In his fight with the Dragon, he had the ox talisman, and the Dragon overpowered him. Yet the Dragon only manages to punch Jackie through the air a few yards away. One of these things is not like the other, because they are not Jackies feats.

  88. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #88

    One of these things is not like the other, because they are not Jackies feats.

    Boy, it’s like every other form of fiction on the planet- everything gets better over time. Who would’ve thought Zoro would get strong enough to cut a city-sized golem apart back in the beginning?

    It’s the power of the Talisman dude, it doesn’t scale per user- just by what they need. I suppose Invisibility feats for Viper don’t count for Jackie either?
    Tohru and Uncle run around the country (I want to say Texas) looking for a fan to imprison the Demon Lord of Wind- and guess what they’re using? Rabbit Talisman.

  89. Limbo Lowk March 23, 2015 at 5:39 pm -      #89

    Guys, a time manipulating batman with a suit made of samus, megaman, and Raiden’s tech. This is something that would actually be possible.

  90. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm -      #90

    “Jackie never performed either of those feats you insist on giving him.”

    The feats are based on the Talismans, are they not?
    I have 0 reason to believe they perform differently in the hands of different people.

  91. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 5:48 pm -      #91

    Can MegaMan X or Raiden turn KH Sora into Ashes by all means, Mega Man X’s programming to not harm Humans aside?

    Get Rand al’Thor or Elminster to whip up a Water Storm, odds are good that Styx-Enhanced Percy could _potentially_ track down Sora just fine as well while the Storm lasts.

    Tell me, how good is Sora against Magnetics by chance?
    He doesn’t strike me as being all that good against stuff like that, unless he’s being underestimated somehow.

    Hmm, a Data Drain variant hitting Batman with a Modified Combat Suit on, imagine how much Batman would have to worry about getting hit by one of those.

  92. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 5:51 pm -      #92

    They HAVE always performed differently between users. That’s why the power levels vary so drastically. I don’t see why this wouldn’t be the case. You cannot give feats someone didn’t perform themselves and give cartoon inconsistency as your reasoning. Jackie has shown to be able to use both of those talisman with moderate feats. He was never the one that used them during their highest end showings.

  93. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 5:52 pm -      #93

    Tell me, how good is Sora against Magnetics by chance?

    Fine? I mean you could take the Keyblade from him but he just summons it back to his hand so it wouldn’t really do anything.

    Hmm, a Data Drain variant hitting Batman with a Modified Combat Suit on, imagine how much Batman would have to worry about getting hit by one of those.

    For that matter, what’s the travel speed of Data Drain? In the games using it is always a cutscene- and it doesn’t appear extremely fast even then.

    They HAVE always performed differently between users.

    No they have not, the only ones who really fluctuate are Rabbit and Ox. Everything else is pretty much the same no matter who uses it. And yes, they’re inconsistent, so what? We’ve seen what they can do- and the power is in the Talisman, not the person.
    Velmont blasts tanks, Rats blasts tanks; Viper turns invisible, Jade turns invisible; Jade runs around at high speed, Uncle runs around at high speed.

  94. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 6:02 pm -      #94

    Those show minimum ability between users. Users feats are based on their own showings. I will not budge on this issue because it is god awful debating the way you try to give people feats they never performed.

  95. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 6:05 pm -      #95

    @FriendlySociopath at #93

    I thought Sora was gonna resort to using his fists, I guess he’s not that kind of guy then.

    —-

    Low-balling says it’d be at the High-Supersonic to Low-to-Mid Hypersonic Ranges in terms of Travel Speeds, possibly higher the better-charged the shots are, almost as Fast as Balefire at the Higher ends Potentially If IRC(I recall correctly.)

    Even then, most variants of Data Drain I’d remember don’t often Auto-kill on their own like Balefire does once Contact’s established, Freeze-Shot if Aimed right could Auto-kill when it hits someone but it has to hit someone first.
    Most Data Drain Variants are very useful for Anti-Defense Magic and whatnot.

    I’ll go fetch some Data Drain examples so they’ll help later on, for now it’s the general showings, nothing ‘yet’ on Haseo’s use of the Data Drain Variants until later.

    Some of the showings were on Kite vs Korra, but I’m not sure the videos work there anymore so I’ll go gather them.

    Long story short, if Sora even wants to keep his Memories and limbs relatively intact, and if Percy wants to maintain his River Styx Enhancements in particular, getting Hit by the Variants is NOT on their to-do list at all.
    The Charge Time takes longer than the Firing Time the last I checked, even then the Charge time don’t take too long at all most of the time.
    Plus the Data Drain Variants can be non-verbally fired as a matter of fact.

  96. Friendlysociopath March 23, 2015 at 6:10 pm -      #96

    I will not budge on this issue because it is god awful debating the way you try to give people feats they never performed.

    Because it’s not their feats, it’s feats for the Talismans. The power in the Talisman doesn’t change- it’s an item, nothing more. You wouldn’t say a gun changes between users would you?

    Your only dispute with Talismans is because the feats aren’t the same for everyone, despite the feats not even being the same for the exact same person (Jade) every time they’re used. Anyone can use the Talismans- and your ‘experienced’ line is outright wrong since many of the Talisman showings are before people even know what they do.

    @Cross, that really doesn’t like Hypersonic…

    Seriously though, Batman can gets his hands on Materia- this is going to be fun.

  97. Ragnorke March 23, 2015 at 6:17 pm -      #97

    “They HAVE always performed differently between users”

    Umm no… No they have not. They’re always the same powers.

    ” Jackie has shown to be able to use both of those talisman with moderate feats.”

    *sigh*
    The talismans do one thing. They give you a power.
    They give everyone that same power.
    The power comes directly from the talisman, and has absolutely nothing to do with who’s using them.

    ” Users feats are based on their own showings. ”

    Bullshit.
    Feats are based on the showings of the source of said feat.
    Which in this case are the Talismans, not the users.

    Look, this would be a valid argument on your part if the Talismans actually provided powers which required skill to perform, master, & excel at.
    But they don’t provide such powers.
    The powers they provide are basic.

    Your argument of inconsistency doesn’t hold any more than someone saying Superman can’t planet bust because it’s inconsistent.
    Or to be more specific, you’re basically saying if someone was given an EXACT replica of Supermans powers, he shouldn’t be able to planet bust. Because Supermans feats are his own.
    I totally disagree with that, since Superstrength has absolutely JACK SHIT to do with skill or experience.

    “I will not budge on this issue ”

    Then i shall ignore you and continue the argument with more open minded people who are willing to accept that they can be wrong.

  98. Nsl98 March 23, 2015 at 6:23 pm -      #98

    Can MegaMan X or Raiden turn KH Sora into Ashes by all means, Mega Man X’s programming to not harm Humans aside?
    —-
    Sora throws down with Herc, who chucks mountain sized Titans into space:
    (Bout 8 seconds in)
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNAiCL94oI8

    They could prolly keep him occupied…

    —-
    odds are good that Styx-Enhanced Percy could _potentially_ track down Sora just fine as well while the Storm lasts.

    ——
    Track him down? I guess. Sora outclasses Percy in mobility though. And Percy doesn’t really stand a chance against Sora. Don’t think he could even follow him in combat…

  99. pimpmage March 23, 2015 at 6:27 pm -      #99

    Friendly, that is the worst metaphor you could possibly try to connect. Let’s try this with a little math. X is the variable for power level of the talisman use. Y is the variable for the person. XY+1 (1 being the talismans because their uses are set in stone and don’t change. Swap different people with different stats you are always going to get Something plus one. A gun does differ between users because one may just plain suck balls at shooting it accurately while another may be a world class marksman. What you are two are trying to conclude is that the amateur shooter should have the same potential for accuracy as the marksman just because they use the same gun. Come on guys…

  100. Commander Cross March 23, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #100

    @FriendlySociopath at #96

    A Very good reason why I noted on Low-balling for a reason, in case on the off-chance I mis-recalled.

    Keep in mind that was the ‘basic’ Data Drain Variant being shown as well.

    (2:00) Basically has one of the guys Haseo had to fight against casting a Non-Verbal Data Drain on him, keep in mind that Haseo was a lot weaker back then as opposed to right now as well.

    I really hope I recall correctly, or this is gonna be a Very Long Fight to say the least.
    Well, longer than it’s already becoming.

    It’s not enough to know why it’s so bad about getting hit by that attack, it must also be recalled on how fast the Data Drain Variants can travel as well.

    This Vid at (19:40-20:30) shows a Data Drain variant that can Auto-kill on its own, it requires one of the Non-Phase Monster Creatures about to be shown to go attack the intended Target before hitting it with the Variant in question.

    As for the more general question, as noted before some Data Drain Variants can Travel quicker than others.

    (The Original!-) Kite is often best-suited to Quick-Draws in Data Draining since a Fully-charged shot requires about 3-5 seconds at most, I call PIS in that Spell being uttered aloud though.

    I’ll keep answering questions about the Data Drain Variants when possible though, and keep you notified at all times, I wanna get around to the Data Drain Variants Haseo got to do as well at some point.
    Let’s just say Batman better not get hit at all with an Attack like that, provided Post-Changes Dresden and Rand al’Thor don’t do anything against Batman first.

    @Nsl98 at #98

    I have a bit more faith in Styx-Enhanced Percy if he’s on Stormy Weather and he’s at CQC Ranges though, I’ve already admitted that Sora has Styx-Enhanced Percy Outclassed in Mobility to begin with, Combat Speeds and Reactions might be closer than first glances suggest, but Percy has to Reach Sora first before Sora Reaches Percy.
    I didn’t forget this.

    Tracking down someone isn’t the same thing as being able to hit the person to begin with if you can’t get in suitable Combat Distances before it’s too late.

    Rand, Elminster and Dresden are 3 guys who can Hurt Sora while hitting him if they plan it out right, they have the highest odds of hitting Sora in all likelihood.

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