Necromancer free-for-all

Necromancer free-for-all

Suggested by GrandMaster

Nagash, Incarnate of The Wind of Death (Warhammer Fantasy) vs Mannimarco (first time here), The King of Worms (The Elder Scrolls) vs The Lich King (World of Warcraft) vs Shinnok (Mortal Kombat) vs Lord Vile (Skullduggery Pleasant) vs Sauron (Lord of The Rings) vs Typhus The Traveller (Warhammer 40k)

Battle takes place in Mordor, with the corpse of everyone who ever died there above ground.

Nagash has The Wind of Death, Mannimarco has unlimited black soul gems, Sauron has The One Ring, everyone has their usual gear.

Note from Rookie: No necromancer from Forgotten Realms? Odd.

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21 Comments on "Necromancer free-for-all"

  1. Neon Lord March 19, 2015 at 2:09 am -      #1

    Nagash and Lich King have better large scale resurrection feats than the rest I think.

  2. Rookie March 19, 2015 at 2:28 am -      #2

    Does Typhus even have feats?
    At first I was thinking that either Vile, Lich King, Nagash or Mannimarco will win. But then I remember novels about Nagash.
    So now I think that either Lich King, Vile or Mannimarco will win. Probably Manni. One version of him is a god after all, while other is a failture.

  3. Neon Lord March 19, 2015 at 4:47 am -      #3

    Physically, Typhus is the strongest I think and has all the best weapons and wargear (because sci-fi). However, he isn’t really a Necromancer since the zombie plague infects those already living and turns them into zombies, rather than turning dead bodies into zombies. He may have something that does actually make dead bodies into undead, but that’s something I’m unsure about.

    “But then I remember novels about Nagash.”

    What was wrong with them? I haven’t read the ones set during Sigmar’s time so I don’t really know. During the End Times however, he was an absolute beast blowing Bloodthirsters and stuff out of the air.

  4. pimpmage March 19, 2015 at 8:00 am -      #4

    Typhus was in a match a while back, I forgot the name of. He was part of a defense force on a planet, and he turned out to be the backbone of the planet’s army. You might want to have a scenario in this match where he isn’t in play.

  5. Total_Overkill March 19, 2015 at 8:37 am -      #5

    No Szass Tam? Heresy!

  6. Rookie March 19, 2015 at 10:43 am -      #6

    @Total_Overkill

    “No Szass Tam? Heresy!”

    Ha! Someone else read “Haunted Land” it seems. One of the best story about necromancers, mages… about a lot of characters to say it shortly.
    And the best among Forgotten Realms.

    @Neon Lord

    “What was wrong with them? I haven’t read the ones set during Sigmar’s time so I don’t really know. During the End Times however, he was an absolute beast blowing Bloodthirsters and stuff out of the air.”

    He acts like a street thug, with intelligence to match. He was one of my favorite characters among necromacers…. and then I read novels.

    You should read forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/The_Haunted_Lands someday if you will have time. One of the best novels about necromancers, with probably best necromancer in fiction so far. Not strongest, but it hard to explain, he just awesome.

  7. Commander Cross March 19, 2015 at 10:50 am -      #7

    Does Lord Vile have The Godkiller Sword with him by chance?
    Also I find it odd that Hellsing’s Alucard wasn’t added to the mix either, surprisingly enough.
    No blaming me for admitting as much, okay?

    At the moment this right here seems to be anyone’s game.

    That said, the image used for representing Lord Vile could either be Lord Vile himself or the likes of Mevolent himself actually, I can’t really be too sure which one it is.

  8. Friendlysociopath March 19, 2015 at 11:40 am -      #8

    Isn’t Sauron with the One Ring supposed to be borderline unstoppable?

  9. pimpmage March 19, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #9

    He was supposed to be unstoppable because be controlled the leaders of every race.

  10. Epicazeroth March 19, 2015 at 2:42 pm -      #10

    @pimp: Uh, no he didn’t. They may have been afraid of him, but he only “controlled” the Nazgûl. And even they were not at the time leading anything.

  11. Ordo11 March 19, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #11

    Uhhhhh we forget he was weakened and he still had nazgul, or some of the nastiest LoTR guys, but we only see him bring back their spirits and summon creepy spiders, orcs, and giants/trolls

  12. Tsubodai March 19, 2015 at 10:52 pm -      #12

    I’ll admit to not knowing a great deal about most of the various necromancers here – but I do know Sauron. And beating Sauron in Mordor with the one ring is going to be VERY difficult. Remember: home field advantage is a huge thing. Sauron with the ring is so tightly tied to mount doom he can control its’ volcanism – any rabble coming near the mountain without his leave is ash. Also, while orcs might not count for much more than fodder in a fight like this, trolls should be able to do some damage. Not to mention any other corrupted beasts he has.

    Beyond that, he has gathered to himself several dwarven rings and of course still has the nine – rings which he might be able to use to subvert some enemy leaders. Ring power is addicting and alluring, and the lich king at least has already shown his weakness for powerful artifacts – see frostmourne. Maybe not enough to make them join with Sauron, at least not immediately, but plenty to convince them to fight each other instead of him.

    Sauron also has the advantage in terms of strategic position. He holds Barad-dur, the black gate, Cirith Ungol, and depending on how we define borders, possibly minas morgul. All powerful fortresses that would be a terror to assault. I would like to see any of the others try to topple the lidless eye from its’ tower – Barad-dur’s foundations are upheld by the magic of the one ring, so that the fortress remained mostly intact even through sauron’s defeat by the last alliance. The only way to defeat sauron would be to take – not destroy, they can’t do that, take – barad-dur. And the only way to take it is to get into close-quarters combat with ringwraiths and ultimately Sauron himself. Good luck.

    I’d also like to point out that locations seems to matter in LOTR magic. It is stated that only sauron with the ring could succeed in taking lorien from galadriel, yet you will notice she never leaves the golden wood to take the fight to mordor. Why? For that matter, why does sauron only manifest atop barad-dur when his presence could have been so useful in the siege of minas tirith? We know he can manifest elsewhere, based on his days as necromancer in dol guldur. The only logical explanation is that their powers are greatest in their ‘home turf’ – and you don’t get more ‘home turf’ than sauron’s mordor.

    In short, the only real way I see for sauron to lose this this is if either A) one of his oppenents is far more powerful than him to the point of a stomp in single combat, or B) if he stupidly goes out to fight on the open field with all his armies and gets the ring chopped off his fingers again. Otherwise he can simply wait behind impregnable walls for them to kill each other, then either find a way to corrupt whoever survives or lure them into his fortress where he can trap them and kill them at his leisure. After all, we do know that he can be a patient and cunning dark lord. See the fall of Numenor.

    Note: i’m not discounting either of the possibilities I outlined under which sauron would lose, because I don’t know.

  13. pimpmage March 19, 2015 at 11:32 pm -      #13

    “Imagine waves of fire and frost, and the mountain shivers,
    Picture lightning arching forth, crackling in a dragon’s sigh.
    Like leaves, the battlemages fly to rain down from the sky,
    At the Necromancers’ call, corpses burst from earth to fight,
    To be shattered into nothingness with a flood of holy light.
    A maelstrom of energy unleashed, blood cascades in rivers.

    Like a thunderburst in blue skies or a lion’s sudden roar,
    Like sharp razors tearing over delicate embroidered lace,
    So at a touch did Galerion shake the mountain to its base.
    The deathly horde fell fatally, but heeding their dying cries
    From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise.
    Nirn itself did scream in the Mages’ and Necromancers’ war.”

    This was a fight between Mannimarco (aka king of worms) and an army of mages from the elder scrolls series. The last line in particular is quite interesting. The fight effected the entire mortal plane of existence.

  14. GrandMaster March 19, 2015 at 11:39 pm -      #14

    @Tsubodai

    This match is just Sauron. None of his lackeys, other than those he can raise from the dead, are present.

  15. orber March 20, 2015 at 1:07 pm -      #15

    Didn’t Nagash beat one of the ancient Khemrian Gods in the first end times book?
    Then again, I have no clue how the ancient gods stack up in terms of power in WHF, but I do know that Nagash in the latest end time books destroys a Bloodthirster like a toy.

    Typhus is at a disadvantage here I guess. The Zombie plague virus needs a living host to infect before it does anything. He still got his technological advantage, but against the raw magical power of each other combatant I doubt that will give him any real edge.

  16. PrimusxPilus March 20, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #16

    You had me at Necromancer. Following

  17. Cypher March 20, 2015 at 5:44 pm -      #17

    Nagash ate Usirian and took over as Lord of the Dead essentially. Along with the powers of a Dwarf ancestral goddess or something like that.

    He was also, the heaviest hitter of the end times, described as matching the other 7 Incarnates as a whole, by himself. When Teclis teleported the group to Middenheim, he pretty much just walked around radiating an aura of death that Skaven and Chaos warriors died in his presence.

    He choked a Bloodthirster to death and presumably more underneath the city.

    Malekith can kill Skarbrand easily. Tyrion and Caradryan can take down their share of Greater Daemons. Caradryan’s lance gets no-selled by Ka’bandha and that Bloodthirster took on Malekith and Tyrion at the same time while Alarielle was trying to ensnare it.

    It took Nagash to actually match that beast until the fight was cut short though. But if his servant, Arkhan the Black is anything to go by, one touch can and will age someone to dus if he needs to.

    Of course… I know absolutely jack about the other combatants so… eh.

  18. MatthiasTheWanderer March 20, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #18

    Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve been here, but I wanted to offer a thought regarding post 13. Having extensively played two Elder Scrolls games, that last line sounds more poetic than literal. Someone else here probably knows more than I do, but I do know that authors in Tamriel love to embellish on history.

  19. fantasywind April 9, 2015 at 3:07 pm -      #19

    Hmm interesting necromancers everywhere hehe :), though I know little about most of the the guys in this match (I know a thing or two about Middle Earth and Elder Scrolls veriety :)) necromancy in Middle Earth has more to do with spirits of the dead rather than bodies though the undead also seem plentiful when needed, undying powerful Nine Ringwraiths imbued with power of Sauron so they get stronger when Sauron is and can be temporarily boosted in power by him, Barrow Wights capable of using their own ”dreadful spells”, living people turned into lesser wraiths by morgul-knife, spirit possession of the living:

    “But it would seem that in these after-days more and more of the Elves, be they of the Eldalie in origin or be they of other kinds, who linger in Middle-earth now refuse the summons of Mandos, and wander houseless in the world, unwilling to leave it and unable to inhabit it, haunting trees or springs or hidden places that once they knew. Not all of these are kindly or unstained by the Shadow. Indeed the refusal of the summons (of Namo to Mandos) is in itself a sign of taint.

    It is therefore a foolish and perilous thing, besides being a wrong deed forbidden justly by the appointed Rulers of Arda, if the Living seek to commune with the Unbodied, though the houseless may desire it, especially the most unworthy among them. For the Unbodied, wandering in the world, are those who at the least have refused the door of life and remain in regret and self-pity. Some are filled with bitterness, grievance, and envy. Some were enslaved by the Dark Lord and do his work still, though he himself is gone. They will not speak truth or wisdom. To call on them is folly. To attempt to master them and to make them servants of one’s own will is wickedness. Such practices are of Morgoth; and the necromancers are of the host of Sauron his servant.

    Some say that the Houseless desire bodies, though they are not willing to seek them lawfully by submission to the judgement of Mandos. The wicked among them will take bodies, if they can, unlawfully. The peril of communing with them is, therefore, not only the peril of being deluded by fantasies or lies: there is peril also of destruction. For one of the hungry Houseless, if it is admitted to the friendship of the Living, may seek to eject the fea from its body; and in the contest for mastery the body may be gravely injured, even if it be not wrested from its righful habitant. Or the Houseless may plead for shelter, and if it is admitted, then it will seek to enslave its host and use both his will and his body for its own purposes. It is said that Sauron did these things, and taught his followers how to achieve them.”

    Also Sauron’s ability of dominating minds and wills of other creatures (especially being able to lure and summon all kinds of dark creatures) would give Sauron nice advantage, especially with the One Ring, with right strength of will he could possibly dominate necromantic products of other contestants (we know for example that undead can break from Lich King control in Warcraft, in such case boom Sauron can multiply his undead horde :)), generally though the ‘black arts’ of Tolkien’s world, sorcery and necromancy are mysterious and we don’t know the full capabilities, Sauron is ”master of shadows and of phantoms”, and ”sorcerer of dreadful power” and is also a ‘divine being’, mighty spirit from before time and he can master spirits to his purposes (for example the Lotr version of Werewolves are creatures possessed by evil spirits). As for TES well here we have loads of undead and any sorcerer can dabble in necromancy though race of Sloads would be the best probably in this sort of magic.

  20. Patrick1209 April 18, 2015 at 6:36 am -      #20

    Interesting match! I assume that this is 3rd age Sauron? A bit strange that the fight takes place in Mordor, considering Sauron can use Mt. Doom to unleash Lava on his enemies, and that Barad Dur is near-impregnable. I’d argue that Sauron would get Barad-dur as “standard gear”, considering he has spent his own native strenght in building and maintaining it, much like the One Ring. All he needs to do is wait the battle out, and analyze their strenghts and weaknesses, while prying into their minds. so he would know how to approach the ones that remain. Is anyone of the other necros actually strong enough to destroy Sauron and his fortress?

  21. Neon Lord April 18, 2015 at 9:41 am -      #21

    “I’d argue that Sauron would get Barad-dur as “standard gear”, considering he has spent his own native strenght in building and maintaining it, much like the One Ring.”

    A base is certainly not ‘standard equipment’

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