Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts

Camp Half Blood Vs Hogwarts

Suggested by JMT

Camp Half Blood (The Percy Jackson universe) wage war against Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (Harry Potter).

Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces, disregarding allies and gods, but including deceased or traitorous demigods, have reason to believe that one of their own is in Hogwarts, and has laid siege to it, using divine magic to block apparition off the grounds and floo travel. Hogwarts is in Sixth Year, possessing a full-power Dumbledore.

Can the Camp take the castle, how long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?

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  1. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 12:37 am -      #601


    Does Tyson count as a demigod?

    Posting a bunch of stuff I’ve remember from the books/have sources on the wiki. Take with grain of salt though, as I could be horribly wrong.

    Some of the Apollo kids can curse people to only speak in rhyming couplets. That would make spellcasting on the fly a bit tricky, eh?
    A lot of Apollo cabin’ers also have healing magic.
    And Will Solace can whistle to stun everyone nearby.
    Plus, sonic arrows.

    Clarisse from Ares has turned arrows to rubber. Imagine doing that to wands. She apparently has some necromantic abilities, but they aren’t nearly as powerful as Nico’s, obviously. Her’s seem limited in that she can only summon the dead from the nearby area, not pull them through Hades like Nico does.

    Apparently Hermes-cabin people can detect traps/curses and are unnaturally skilled at opening locks. I vaguely remember this from the books. In any case, if this is true, then any magical traps will be less likely to work.

    Hecate children can control the Mist to hide things, change perception of things, or create false memories. They can even summon physical things through the Mist. Alter one of the teacher’s memories to make them believe they’re on the Demigod’s side.

  2. Aelfinn April 2, 2015 at 1:14 am -      #602

    “Pardon the upcoming Crudeness in the responses, but What the Bloody Hell took you so long!?”

    I had college stuff to do. However much I’d like to, I can’t spend every minute on BankGambling.
    =
    “Felix Felicis Effects vs. Ta’averen-ness and have the main bulk of future discussions with that stuff talked about in there.”

    Or just the Three Ta’averen vs. Hogwarts *evil grin*
    =
    =
    “Depends on the type of Ta’averen-ness though, right? Matt never had a bad thing happen to him, or around him…. Well things that he considered bad, but nothing truly negative.”

    Maybe. There are some arguments out there that say Mat’s luck-powers are different from being ta’averen. I’m talking about all the really weird, extremely unlikely shit that goes on around them. Like a baby falling out of a three story window and surviving unharmed. Or a fully-grown man tripping over a pebble and snapping his neck. Those kinds of things always balanced themselves out.
    =
    =
    “Iv already proved Percy would obliterate ALL of Hogwarts in a SINGLE wave.”

    Was that that calc I glanced at about splitting the iceberg? If I’m remembering it correctly, how is the volume of the iceberg being greater than the volume of the castle proof of him being capable of destroying it? Unless I’m missing something, which I admit is possible, he split that section of the iceberg off. He didn’t break it up into tiny fragments. You’d also need to prove that stone is somehow just as or less durable than ice, which I am inclined to believe it is not. I could be wrong, though.

  3. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 1:50 am -      #603

    Nico was able to damage a fortress just by summoning a stone pillar, the tremor of which was enough to damage the fortress, imagine if he did a bigger version which should be possible since like Percy he’s gotten stronger over time and this is one of his earlier feats.

    ” “No!” Nico yelled. He clapped his hands together, and a jagged spire of rock the size of an eighteen-wheeler erupted fromt he ground right in front of the fortress. The tremor it caused was so powerful the front columns of the building came crashing down. ” – BotL, Page 194.

    when he went all out one time among other things he forcibly turned someone into a spirit unleashed a wave of pain and rage. He was apparently weakened during this. Also shows his chill effect on a wide area.

    “In one horrible cry, he unleashed a flood of pain and anger on everyone in the clearing. […] The spartoi disengrated into ashes. The rocks of the cairn turned white with frost. Bryce Lawrence stumbled, clutching his head, both nostrils bleeding. […] “You’re already dead,” Nico said. “You’re a ghost with no tongue, no memory. You won’t be sharing any secrets.” […] The next sound from Bryce’s mouth was a chattering whisper. His face became indistinct. Bryce’s body became dark and smoky. He could have been anyone– just another nameless spirit among millions.”
    —-
    Also the more I think about it….between Nico being able to sense souls and Hepheastus children apparently being able to either see or sense body heat…I don’t know if Hogwarts can really pull of invisibility attacks.
    ——————————————
    Also for Percy….he can apparently make plumbing explode. Hogwarts has pipes and plumbing throughout the structure, so that could be problematic. And this was him doing it unconsciously while weakened from being in Tartarus in the previous book

    “When Piper recounted her dream for Percy, the ships’ toilets exploded.”
    pg. 189 Blood of Olympus
    ——————–
    Using his control over water to counter the goddess of violent sea storms Kymopoleia, again still without being fully recovered from Tartarus’s negative effects.

    ” Only Percy was having much luck. He stood by the center mast, his hands extended like he was walking a tightrope. Every time the ship tilted, he pushed it in the opposite direction and the hull stabilized. He summoned giant fists of water from the ocean to slam into the larger waves before they could reach the deck, so it looked like the ocean was hitting itself repeatedly in the face.
    With the storm as bad as it was, Jason realized the ship would’ve already capsized or been smashed to bits if Percy was not on the job. ”
    pg. 250 Blood of Olympus

  4. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 1:56 am -      #604

    So….remember Percy getting exhausted making his own water……apparently he’s gotten over that. Creating a geyser of water in an Acropolis that was described as ” “The earth is too powerful here. Even Poseidon wouldn’t be able to summon more than a salty spring”. ” and…considering this is still post Tartarus…I think Percy might be able to just make Hogwarts flood on command. Then again I’m assuming the respect thread I’m getting these two quotes in this post on is being fully honest.

    “Percy shouted. At the other end of the Acropolis, a hundred yards away, a geyser of water shot into the air.”
    pg. 401 Blood of Olympus

  5. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 2:31 am -      #605

    Although even if the Poseidon couldn’t make water thing isn’t true, considering Percy was described as getting winded more easily due to his experience in Tartarus the fact that he made a geyser at a distance with minimal effort still shows a great improvement in his ability to manifest water.

  6. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 6:30 am -      #606

    Soooooooo….+1 for CHB’s FP Award.
    ——
    Hogwarts has no counter to the multi story wave, the castle collapsing, thousands of undead, invisible sniping might not work due to Leo’s heat sense, Will or Drew or Piper could stun them all just by being there, lightning, and Charmspeak.

  7. batman3.14 April 2, 2015 at 7:23 am -      #607

    +1 as well for CHB FP Award.

  8. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 7:26 am -      #608

    Soooooooo….+1 for CHB’s FP Award.

    Will you stop doing that? Everyone is still talking- stop just spam-voting for the side that you obviously want to win

    Hermione can turn off Divine Magic? :O
    *mind blown*


    Apparation *off the grounds* is blocked, everyone here is on the grounds- so they can teleport if they turn the anti-apparate spell off.

    But it still doesn’t change the situation regarding Aphrodite’s Daughters or Nicco.
    Both of whom you didn’t address.


    What? Their mighty auras that are of course always present and never dependent on plot? Show up behind them or at a distance and fire away. Females get the girls, battle-hardened aurors go for the males.

    Why do they need to constantly re-apply the spell to the SAME camp? after moving it via teleportation?

    They don’t TURN the camp invisible. They just ward the crap out of it. Not once do they turn the camp invisible.
    Order of events:
    Teleport in
    Ward campsite
    Set up tent
    Do things
    Take down tent
    Remove wards
    Teleport out

    apparently has thermal vision of some kind/ability to sense heat

    I’d very much like to see a quote behind that one

    Hogwarts has no counter to the multi story wave

    It’s called teleportation, or flight

    the castle collapsing

    See above

    thousands of undead

    Which can be taken out by beating the summoner

  9. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 9:09 am -      #609

    Will you stop doing that? Everyone is still talking- stop just spam-voting for the side that you obviously want to win

    >Votes once
    >Is called out for spam voting.

    Wut.
    ——-

    And if all of the Wizards fighting force teleports into the camp, Nico’s life sense is going to go crazy. He can get off a word of warning and summon his zombie peeps before the Wizards have a chance to do anything.

    You also haven’t addressed the fact that Drew and Piper will be there. How will the Wizards counter the sexiness and Charmspeak that has worked on everything from mortals to primordial Earth Goddesses?

    The moment they teleport into the camp, Nico’s life sense goes off the charts and the wizards are stunned by Piper and Drew.
    —-
    And that’s another thing. If all of the Wizards just teleport into the camp, there is no one in the castle. CHB then has Nico or Luke teleport into Hogwarts waving a CHB flag. Castle taken, match won.
    —-
    And the dead don’t leave just cuz Nico gets knocked out. He got knocked out in BoTL after summoning, and the dead still fought alongside the Half-Bloods.

  10. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 9:47 am -      #610

    “Isn’t the town literally right next door to Hogwarts?”

    Harry uses the map while they are out camping in some random forrest some where,

    he uses it to spy on his girlfriend…. which is creepy.
    – – –
    “…I did?”

    #567
    – – –
    “also, no amount of Prep-Time is going to help them pull off something as co-

    ordinated as that. Seriously.”

    As coordinated as what? One guy with the map makes and a sip of felix, makes all

    the decisions about where the portkeys go, under the effects of felix he/she

    will like the port keys to the places that give them the greatest chance of

    victory when they attack, even if those places are totally illogical when they

    put put them there, becasue that is what felix has been proven to do. it gets

    you to make the perfect decisions. After that, The people warp in and start

    casting speels on demigods whom were not expecting enemy forces… everywhere
    – – –
    “Ok, AFAIK using a portkey (or any form of teleportation for that matter) leaves

    you a bit dizzy, and requires AT LEAST a second to get your bearings”

    So they warp in behind the siege lines, take a second, then start turning people

    into ferrets
    – – –
    “Assuming some of the students don’t get killed due to ^1 right off the bat, a

    good amount of the demigods will at least be in close enough distance to put up

    a fight. Meaning CQC.
    Pointing a wand in that situation can be easier said than done.”

    Assuming any of the demigods notice the warp in, and assuming they are stupid

    enough to warp into close combat range… Which they very well might be, but

    They have the felix in the planning stage. Im not even suggesting giving it to

    the attacking force.
    – – –
    “I’m not saying it isn’t a good strategy with a high success rate… It just isn’t

    anywhere near as flawless as you make it out to be.”

    I’t doesnt need to be flawless, i think the rules state… somewherem that the

    party that wins a majority of mataches out of 100 is the winner… or i made

    that up, cant remember.
    – – –
    “So in 4 days no one in CHB moves…? Really…?
    Please think about what you just said.”

    None of the wizards made any move whatsoever to stop the demigods setting up an

    entire seige line, The wizards dont get the same curtousy while they are setting

    up, i hear FAVORITISM (imagnine i sang that)
    – – –
    “Yes the Wizards can get easy & efficient access to the CHB base, but no they

    will not be in perfect positions to instantly snipe everyone.”

    Unless they have the person doing the planning use the felix, then even if the

    wizards are shitty their positioning will be perfect.
    – – –
    “Also guys, can’t the Oracle (Rachel?) see the future?”

    not greek, or a demigod, i think apollo cabin have prophets though
    – – –
    “Aside from Thalias immortality”

    She cant die of old age, she is still perfectly killable, and ferretable
    – – –
    “andddd for Jason, he can create pretty strong winds”

    Jason ain’t here.
    – – –
    “Luke has teleportation of his own.”

    Quotes please
    – – –
    “What makes you think Wizards can aim & cast before either of them gets the time

    to just shout: “kill each other””

    Because all wizards of 6th year and over are expected to master nonverbal

    spells, which is casting a spell by thinging the name ratehr than saying the

    word, so harry potter spells can be set off at the speed of thougt
    – – –
    “If everyone’s invisible, there’s a chance wizards are going to end up hitting

    some of their own, in the initial cluster fuck of things.”

    This is kinda true, buit ive been discounting invisiblity from the general strat

    for a while now.
    – – –
    “Not saying Hogwarts has no chance of winning, but the team that has MORE

    methods of winning is the team that’s statistically more likely to win.”

    So, team hogwarts then? CHB wins via Percy, oooor Nico.
    Hogwarts wins though, Ferreting, killing, BFRing, time stoping, stoneing,

    Incinerateing ect
    – – –
    “I’m not saying they’re going to trip and fall, but they definitely aren’t going

    to be in instant fire positions.”

    During book 4 a group of like 20 ministry wizards apear out of thin air in the

    forest and all open fire instantly.
    – – –
    “That’s not really the case with Portkeys, it just dumps you there.”

    ……………..meh, i wont push it.
    – – –
    Right, because waves can ONLY hit the school.

    unless you are saying that the initial wave will also hit their own seige line,

    i dont see what you are saying?
    – – –
    “They don’t suddenly “crash” anywhere. Adults have no issue landing with them at

    all. Mind sourcing this “crash” of yours? That isn’t Harry?”

    If you are gettingt this whole crash thing from the fil, not entirely sure that

    happens in the books, quote anybody?
    – – –
    “It’s not like the Wizards all know about CHBs speedsters & superior reaction

    time.
    They have no reason to fight differently.”

    Wouldn’t super human reactions come under basic knowledge?
    – – –
    “It’s a 35-40 story high wave. Do you have the slightest idea how big that is?”

    Serisouly no. not even a little. might be somthing to do with autism, or i might

    just be stupid… either way.
    – – –
    “Why would he have to drag it “back”?
    Why would he even attack Hogwarts if everyone in Hogwarts “immediately” attacks

    the camp like you said?
    Are you suggesting that they’ll wait for him?”
    – – –
    So…. you are saying, match starts, Hogwarts attacks, Percy kills EVERYONE?
    – – –
    “Yes, because that’s literally how it is in the books. Older kids from the 6th

    and 7th year landed fine when using the Portkey.”

    Still think that is a film only thing…. Quotes anybody?
    – – –
    “And when has Piper successfully told someone to kill herself?”

    I thought she killed her dad?….. or was that from hero’s…..
    – – –
    “oh, and Piper’s Charmspeak has worked on mortals, demigods, monsters,

    primordial Earth Goddesses, and gods.”

    nobody is saying that the wizards resist it just that she becomes a ferret

    before she can use it.
    – – –
    “Oh i don’t know, throw their spears/swords and kill little teenage boys with no

    feats of dodging them.”

    These are celestial bronze spears and swords? the ones that can’t hurt mortals?
    – – –
    “They can’t teleport mid combat. They can teleport INTO combat. Apparation is

    still blocked, and Portkeys won’t do any good after the initial engagement.”

    For some reason, all of the wizards in the 5th film turn into smoke and fly

    around shooting spells like that.
    – – –
    “He also didn’t notice the bullet until it was already out of the barrel.”

    He didn’t notice the bullet at all, He predicted it’s path
    – – –
    ““although it’s worth noting they had to recast all their invisibility spells

    every time they teleported their camp””

    The invisiblity spells that they laid over a general are are not the same ones

    that they place directly upon themselves, Harry has a disilusionment charm

    palced upon him, and then gets on his broom and flys into London, he stays

    invisible the enite trip until the spell is deliberately removed from him
    Start of book 5
    – – –
    “Heck i could hit a fucking invisible target if you give me a sword and i

    hear/see some footsteps.”

    Oh yeah…. this could totally happen during the day…. for some reason iv’e

    been imagineing some sort of Shadow of mordor night time raid…
    – – –
    “Hermione can turn off Divine Magic? :O
    *mind blown*”

    The divine magic stops aparition OFF the grounds, not within

    unless you are saying sumbledore can cast divine magic, i mean he’s pretty godly

    but i doubt it
    – – –
    “Why do they need to constantly re-apply the spell to the SAME camp? after

    moving it via teleportation?”

    Becasue it’s an area spell. She places the spell around their camp, not on their

    tent.
    – – –
    “Also, Disillusionment Charms don’t make you flawlessly invisible, but rather

    reflect what’s behind you in front.”

    Dubledore can become completely invisble via a powerful disilusionment charm,

    and can cast that charm on others, ive said that like 20 times now.
    – – –
    “And he can also sense metal, so invisible armors won’t work either.
    He’s considered close to the level of a big three child in power.”

    I dont think Hogwarts has any armour…. at all..
    – – –
    “Love burns apparently.”

    Dont you know it
    – – –
    “Some of the Apollo kids can curse people to only speak in rhyming couplets.

    That would make spellcasting on the fly a bit tricky, eh?”

    Unless you use non verbal spells, or the person performing the curse is a ferret
    – – –
    “She apparently has some necromantic abilities”

    That was only with the blessing or Ares i believe.
    – – –
    “Hogwarts has no counter to the multi story wave, the castle collapsing, thousands of undead, invisible sniping might not work due to Leo’s heat sense, Will or Drew or Piper could stun them all just by being there, lightning, and Charmspeak.”

    They may not have a counter, but they dont need to counter if the people that do those things are ferrets
    – – –
    If you can’t tell, I really, REALLY, REALLY Want there to be a camp full of demigod ferrets in teeny little armour, with tiny little swords, it would be adorable.

  11. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 9:58 am -      #611

    Harry potter characters have feats for resisting Ghosts. Ghosts, just pass through them, and they remain unharmed, so Nico is a non issue

  12. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 10:03 am -      #612

    Jason is here, he considers himself Greek.
    —-
    If I was born into Christianity, but wanted to be a Buddhist, I could literally refuse to believe Christian beliefs and just accept Buudhism.
    —-
    It’s the same thing with Jason, demigods can choose what they want to believe.

  13. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 10:06 am -      #613

    “Jason is here, he considers himself Greek.”

    So if i consider myself a dinosaur does that change my genetic make-up??

    FUCKING DOES IT???

    “Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces”

    GREEK DEMIGOD

    Please explain EXACTLY how changing camp, also changes his FATHER

    YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER

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    I am almost annoyed.

  14. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 10:30 am -      #614

    @Aelfinn
    “Was that that calc I glanced at about splitting the iceberg? If I’m remembering it correctly, how is the volume of the iceberg being greater than the volume of the castle proof of him being capable of destroying it?”

    Already covered it. This fellow called Ragnarok (heh) had a little discussion with me after it.
    Read my response to him.

    “he split that section of the iceberg off. He didn’t break it up into tiny fragments.”

    Aye aye, but the energy necessary to break off even 1% of the glacier (the cross section of the “break point”) is enough to trump all of Hogwarts.
    It was said Percy broke a LARGE piece of it. Enough to shake the entire thing. (which is 120 km in length)

    ” You’d also need to prove that stone is somehow just as or less durable than ice,”

    Yep, density was part of the factors taken into consideration.

  15. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 10:50 am -      #615

    @Ramkin
    The OP already said Jason was included didn’t he?

    “As coordinated as what? One guy with the map makes and a sip of felix, makes all
    the decisions about where the portkeys go, ”

    I’m still not sure how compatible to characters CiS this is, but we’ll get back to that in a moment.

    “So they warp in behind the siege lines, take a second, then start turning people
    into ferrets”

    You totally missed the part of me stating how the Demigods would hear and see the ground change.
    A thousand students warping in? you don’t think there’d be any tells?
    Demigods have heightened senses, and once they know they’re there, the chameleon camouflage won’t be anywhere near as useful.

    As i said earlier though, characters like Aphrodite’s daughters, Nicco, or Percy literally just need a second.

    ” and assuming they are stupid
    enough to warp into close combat range… Which they very well might be, but They have the felix in the planning stage. ”

    Woahohoho,
    They’re warp in destinations are preset. They can’t change them.
    You know who can change their locations though? Campers.
    There’s no guarantee Wizards will all land in perfect positions with respect to campers.
    That’s heavily pushing it, even for a luck potion.

    Unless you’re saying the luck potion will know where all the campers will be standing 4 days later.
    Which… Just… I’m not even going to go there.

    “I’t doesnt need to be flawless, i think the rules state… somewherem that the
    party that wins a majority of mataches out of 100 is the winner.”

    Yep, winner of a hundred gets the cake. Glad you brought this up actually.
    But guess what? You REALLY think Hogwarts is going to use the EXACT same strategy mentioned by you all 100 times?
    Which they’ve never done in the books or movies? Ever?

    I believe it was Aelfinn or Sorrow that said it, we’re debating Characters, not Puppets.
    And while CiS is removed IF it conflicts with victory, that isn’t the case here.
    Everyone is still going to ACT the way that character acts. He’s still going to cast the spells that that character casts. He’s still going to plan & think the way that character does.
    And no character in the history of Harry Potter would think to act the way you & friendly are suggesting.

    It’s an ideal scenario for Hogwarts. A perfect plan where everything goes their way.
    And sure, it CAN happen. In 1 of a hundred tries.
    But in the other 99 it will not.
    In CHBs ideal scenario, Percy’s stationed a step away from the lake, makes it to the water and instantly roflstomps.

    In the end of the day, CHB has MORE methods of winning, and isn’t relying on a method that no one in their universe has ever shown.

    “So…. you are saying, match starts, Hogwarts attacks, Percy kills EVERYONE?”

    If everything goes the way you suggest it would, everyone in CHB is dead already. Or a Ferret.
    So yea, he kills everyone.
    Making big waves in stressful situations is perfectly in his character.

    “During book 4 a group of like 20 ministry wizards apear out of thin air in the forest and all open fire instantly.”

    I guarantee you that was Apparation, not Portkeys.
    When you use Apparation you have direct control over where you’re going to end up. With Portkeys you don’t. Getting your reactions set up WILL take a second.
    Forexample,
    Apparation = you running from point A to point B.
    Portkey = Friend picking you up on his shoulder and running from point A to point B.
    When he puts you down, you’ll need a second.

    “Wouldn’t super human reactions come under basic knowledge?”

    That’s very specific knowledge…
    Basic would be nothing more than “They’re a camp filled with Demigods. Around a hundred. Some of whom can do some pretty cool stuff. Kay.”

    “Oh yeah…. this could totally happen during the day…. for some reason iv’e
    been imagineing some sort of Shadow of mordor night time raid…”

    Well… I’m glad you’re atleast trying to see it from a different perspective ^^

    “The divine magic stops aparition OFF the grounds, not within”

    Okay seriously, where does it say the Siege lines are on Hogwarts grounds? It doesn’t…
    The camp would already be “off grounds”, meaning they can’t apparate around there.

    So, if any of Aphrodite’s daughters get the time to scream 1 word, CHB wins.
    If Nicco gets half a second(?) to shadow slip away to a safe location, CHB wins.
    If Percy makes it to the water, which he should logically be stationed right next to anyways, CHB wins.

    So yes, Hogwarts DOES need EVERYTHING to go PERFECTLY.

  16. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 10:53 am -      #616

    “Okay seriously, where does it say the Siege lines are on Hogwarts grounds?”

    If that is the case, then Percy is nowhere near the lake, They are also really pathetic siege lines, being nowhere near the castle.

    “The OP already said Jason was included didn’t he?”

    Not that i am personally aware of, obviously, otherwise i wouldn’t keep posting against it.
    – – –
    “You totally missed the part of me stating how the Demigods would hear and see the ground change.”

    Not really, you are assuming that they are going to teleport in really close, All of hogwarts spells are ranged getting close is stupid, and you are also assuming that The Half bloods are going to hear the flattening of some grass that is quite far away over the hustle and bustle of their own general activity

    “They’re warp in destinations are preset. They can’t change them.”

    Their warp on in destinations are set by themselves…
    – – –
    “That’s heavily pushing it, even for a luck potion.”
    _
    No its, not. The potion let harry know that going to hagrids was the best possible situation with no information that, that was infact the case.

  17. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 10:55 am -      #617

    @Friendly
    “Will you stop doing that? Everyone is still talking- stop just spam-voting for the side that you obviously want to win”

    Hogwarts has no arguments left to make. You guys have repeatedly been bringing up the EXACT same thing.
    Which we’ve already been over.
    So yea, we can start the vote.

    “What? Their mighty auras that are of course always present and never dependent on plot? ”

    THEY IRONY IS STRONG IN THIS ONE.
    Yea kinda like the whole invisibility thing, amirite?

    “It’s called teleportation, or flight”

    I still don’t see how you think this gets them victory…
    They get to run away from the first Wave?
    Great… Now what?
    I still don’t think your comprehending the size of this thing.

  18. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:03 am -      #618

    “But guess what? You REALLY think Hogwarts is going to use the EXACT same strategy mentioned by you all 100 times?”

    No, just 51 times
    – – –
    “Unless you’re saying the luck potion will know where all the campers will be standing 4 days later.
    Which… Just… I’m not even going to go there.”

    You keep saying days, no-one agreed that 4 days was the amount of time, The OP said four hours, and its not like the port keys have to be made at that start of the preptime is???
    – – –
    “you’re saying the luck potion will know where all the campers will be standing 4 days later.”

    You have been saying that you know exactly where Percy will be standing, are you a luck bending potion, no? Well it has more feats than you do.
    – – –
    “Everyone is still going to ACT the way that character acts”

    Like the way Percy routinely murders all of his friends?

    And just destroys building for shits and giggles. Yeah, thats the Percy we all know and love
    – – –
    “Hogwarts has no arguments left to make. You guys have repeatedly been bringing up the EXACT same thing.”

    Well, yeah… If this was Frodo vs superman, And you guys were saying, Frodo defeated Sauron he would beat Superman, we would repeatedly say, but superman just one shot him. Repition does not make the point any more or less valid.

  19. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am -      #619

    “Hogwarts has no arguments left to make. You guys have repeatedly been bringing up the EXACT same thing.”

    Well, yeah… If this was Frodo vs superman, And you guys were saying, Frodo defeated Sauron he would beat Superman, we would repeatedly say, but superman just one shot him. Repition does not make the point any more or less valid.

  20. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am -      #620

    “If that is the case, then Percy is nowhere near the lake, They are also really pathetic siege lines, being nowhere near the castle.”

    everplaces.com/users/7340e6d87c0740bd9f5548cb78d73bb0/places/8c963e981c9b44ecbe6909b69567966c/images/bfcf50137f434382b442119398ddfe27.jpg
    The lake’s pretty big mate. Seems to be way larger than what’s considered “Hogwarts Grounds”

    When you siege an area, you block off it’s grounds from the surrounding.
    You don’t post yourself INSIDE their grounds…

  21. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 11:07 am -      #621

    Demigods have heightened senses, and once they know they’re there, the chameleon camouflage won’t be anywhere near as useful.

    And I’m sure you have some sort of feat for backing up the claim the CHB troops are very easily going to see people that are near-invisible.
    Because it’s not like you’ve made that claim without a shred of proof.

    They’re warp in destinations are preset. They can’t change them.

    Eh? They can choose where to go- both with apparation and portkeys. They set the place and then they go.

    And sure, it CAN happen. In 1 of a hundred tries.
    But in the other 99 it will not.


    Wow, wank harder; much much harder. Even if you’re certain CHB will win, it’s certainly not a 99-1 ratio. Especially since they easily have the numbers and planning to gimp every special member of CHB the moment they port in *before* CHB can respond.

    In the end of the day, CHB has MORE methods of winning, and isn’t relying on a method that no one in their universe has ever shown.

    Really? They have like 3, charmspeak, water, zombies. And you’re making a very stupid claim since our strategy is one they use already in HP canon. Port in and combat is what every Order, Ministry, and Death Eater member does for battles- complete with teleporting in the middle of battle to move elsewhere
    -.
    Okay seriously, where does it say the Siege lines are on Hogwarts grounds? It doesn’t…
    The camp would already be “off grounds”, meaning they can’t apparate around there.


    JMT said it was by the lake and forest, both of those are Hogwarts grounds. So yes, it’s on Hogwarts grounds. Likewise, if they are OFF the grounds then they’re BEHIND that divine barrier.

    So yes, Hogwarts DOES need EVERYTHING to go PERFECTLY.

    They really, really don’t. They need to gimp the 5 campers with any real credit to their name. Felix Felicis tells them exactly where to go and who to target first; they don’t even have to know a thing about them, Felix will give them the best road to victory whether they know it or not- by your own words.
    Teleport + invisibility = initiative win
    Initiative win = suprised demigods
    surprised demigods will not be able to react to sudden attacks before they’re KO’d
    Win for Hogwarts

    The lake’s pretty big mate. Seems to be way larger than what’s considered “Hogwarts Grounds”

    If you have 200 people going around that entire lake- you’re so spread out it’s laughable. Let’s be realistic here Rag, also, the Forest is on the OTHER SIDE.

  22. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:08 am -      #622

    “The lake’s pretty big mate. Seems to be way larger than what’s considered “Hogwarts Grounds””

    Film lake is not only inaccurate, but also inconsistent, in that it doesn’t exist in the first two films.

  23. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 11:10 am -      #623

    @Ramkin
    Luke can teleport, here’s the qoute that you asked for.
    —–
    Teleportation:
    “Goodbye, Percy. There is a new Golden Age coming. You won’t be a part of it.”
    He slashed his sword in an arc and disappeared in a ripple of darkness.

    -Lightning Thief p. 382

  24. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:11 am -      #624

    @NsI98

    Hmm, thank you. Do we know if he comes out somwhere else in the… real….world… or does he go to tartaus or the like?
    – – –
    Is that a capitol i in you name or a little L?

  25. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 11:17 am -      #625

    @Ramkin
    Idk, but in Last Olympian, when Hermes and Percy are discussing how to defend NYC, he mentions that in their world, teleportation is just extremely fast air travel. I guess you just think about where you want to go…or something.
    —–
    And it’s a little “L”. It gets mistaken for a 1, but I’m ok with that too.

  26. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 11:19 am -      #626

    @Ramkin
    “No, just 51 times”

    But you don’t get to decide this.
    The characters in the match need to decide this.
    Now feel free to go over the personalities & fighting strategies of each and every one of those characters, and find me a situation where any one of them would have done this.

    “You have been saying that you know exactly where Percy will be standing, are you a luck bending potion, no? Well it has more feats than you do.”

    Luck bending doesn’t caus characters to lose common sense or battle strategies when while readying for battle…

    “Like the way Percy routinely murders all of his friends?”

    I swear i’v already been over this more than once, which makes me think you don’t bother reading everything.

    Percy jumps into lake, where he is strongest. Takes a couple of seconds at most. Great.
    He can then PROTECT his friends, which ever ones weren’t killed in the initial onslaught of things anyways.
    And if there’s no one left to protect, he just kills everyone.
    Both of those don’t violate ANYTHING.

    “And just destroys building for shits and giggles. Yeah, thats the Percy we all know and love”

    Well yea, his 350 ft tidal wave caused a crap ton of destruction. He also caused a volcanic eruption. He’s also made hurricanes which fucked up small neighborhoods.
    And anyways, CiS that stops you from killing the ENEMY is turned off.

    The thing is, i’m suggesting Percy is going to do something that HE HAS DONE.
    You’re suggesting Hogwarts is going to do something they’ve never done. Something that no one in their verse has ever even thought of. 51/100 times.

    “Repition does not make the point any more or less valid.”

    Aye, but we’ve BOTH made our points.
    Neither of us gain anything from this circle jerk anymore.
    Which is the point where a vote starts & spectators/thirdparty debaters get to make their pick.

  27. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:22 am -      #627

    “I swear i’v already been over this more than once, which makes me think you don’t bother reading everything.”

    I do read it, there is just so much of it and i have such a short attention span.
    – – –
    “Percy jumps into lake, where he is strongest. Takes a couple of seconds at most. Great.”

    can you post a feat for Percy destroying a very large area and protecting only those he likes?
    – – –
    “And if there’s no one left to protect, he just kills everyone.”

    What if they are ferrets?

    Because, I really want them to be ferrets, and they can do that.

    What if they trun themselves into ferrets, AY, AAAAAYYY

  28. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 11:23 am -      #628

    And it’s a little “L”. It gets mistaken for a 1, but I’m ok with that too.

    My life is a lie- what’s real? What’s fake? What is existence?

    So we’re going for broke now? Just lay out our plans and see who the masses side with?

  29. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 11:28 am -      #629

    @Friendly
    “And I’m sure you have some sort of feat for backing up the claim the CHB troops are very easily going to see people that are near-invisible.
    Because it’s not like you’ve made that claim without a shred of proof.”

    For fucks sake friendly, YOU and ME could hit chameleon camouflaged targets if they made enough noise.
    And yes, a thousand students warping in is going to make noise.
    CHB troops do have heightened senses, and it truly doesn’t matter the extent of it.
    Once they know they’re under attack, it won’t be difficult to realize what’s going on.

    “Eh? They can choose where to go- both with apparation and portkeys. They set the place and then they go.”

    Oh, and since when does the Marauders map give you vision of things extremely far away from you?
    Say.. If harry is still in hogwarts making these portkeys… Why would the map give them vision of a camp far away?
    Which may or may not even be in the range.

    “Wow, wank harder; much much harder. Even if you’re certain CHB will win, it’s certainly not a 99-1 ratio”

    Assuming we take a hundred scenarios into consideration, each being a unique one of course, yes… CHB win a lot more than 50.
    When i said Hogwarts may use the scenario You & Ramkin are suggesting just once, i didn’t mean to say CHB automatically wins the other 99 ones.

    “Really? They have like 3, charmspeak, water, zombies.”

    Each one of whom can INDIVIDUALLY solo. That’s 3 methods of victory…
    How many does Hogwarts have? One.

    “And you’re making a very stupid claim since our strategy is one they use already in HP canon.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
    WAHAHAHAHAHHA
    I’m sorry. But that was funny.

    “JMT said it was by the lake and forest, both of those are Hogwarts grounds”

    Considering the picture i just posted of the lake, no, that’s not all Hogwarts grounds.

    “If you have 200 people going around that entire lake- you’re so spread out it’s laughable. Let’s be realistic here Rag, also, the Forest is on the OTHER SIDE.”

    You’re asking me to be realistic…?
    When suggesting characters in harry potter are going to pull off something that wouldn’t work in JK Rowlings wildest dreams?

    Also, where did JMT say they would be by the forest?

    “So we’re going for broke now? Just lay out our plans and see who the masses side with?”

    Considering every spectator & third person debater would be a reasonable human being… Yea… That’s exactly what we do.
    Neither side has anything left to say that isn’t going to start another circle argument.

    @Ramkin
    “can you post a feat for Percy destroying a very large area and protecting only those he likes?”

    He can create these air bubbles around them, and can control the pressure and etc around them.

  30. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:30 am -      #630

    “Oh, and since when does the Marauders map give you vision of things extremely far away from you?”

    When the siege lines are on the grounds, as JMT clarified, and the map covers the grounds, and you say i dont read things
    – – –
    “Considering the picture i just posted of the lake, no, that’s not all Hogwarts grounds.”

    The way the film lays things out inst exactly acurate, there are quotes in the 5th book of people walking around the lake.

    It’s also Hogwarts lake.
    It is by definition part of their grounds.

    “work in JK Rowlings wildest dreams?”

    Uh, JK copped out and made Voldermort kill himself by pure bullshit, im pretty sure in her wildest dreams, once the student graduate they all go to school at PigFarts WHICH, IS ON MARS

  31. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 11:31 am -      #631

    @Friendly
    Sorry ’bout that. Seems my name has caused Fruendly to think like an existentialist.
    —-
    Also, yeah, we could all lay down the plans and have the match locked and decide an award.
    —-
    Also, last page of the chaper before the last chapter of Last Olympian, Percy creates an air bubble under water and makes out with Annabeth.

  32. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 11:33 am -      #632

    “When the siege lines are on the grounds, as JMT clarified,”

    I still can’t find where this was said.

    “It’s also Hogwarts lake.
    It is by definition part of their grounds.”

    isnt it black lake..?

  33. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #633

    “Also, last page of the chaper before the last chapter of Last Olympian, Percy creates an air bubble under water and makes out with Annabeth.”

    Did he do it for 200 people all at the same time while destroying an area of ground the size of… however big an are he can destroy?

  34. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:39 am -      #634

    JMT March 30, 2015 at 11:40 am – #152
    Ok, since apparently the prompt is not enough, here I go again. This fight is between the Greek-born demigods of Cammp Half Blood and the wizards of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The demigods have laid siege lines around Hogwarts, constrained by the Forest and the Lake. Hogwarts includes every student and teacher as of the beginning of the events of Half-Blood Prince. No animal allies are allowed, nor are Roman demigods or reinforcements on either side. This is solely between the full strength of Hogwarts and the full strength of Camp Half-Blood.
    – – –
    So yeah, no fucking Jason.

    “isnt it black lake..?”

    I mean its the lake that belongs to hogwarts, i have no idea if it has a name.

  35. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 11:41 am -      #635

    Considering the picture i just posted of the lake, no, that’s not all Hogwarts grounds.

    Yes, book canon is higher than movie canon.
    In the books Hogwarts is on flat ground- not on top of a mountain surrounded on all sides by a lake. As I recall, the lake is actually extremely small since people routinely walk around it for fun.

    Also, where did JMT say they would be by the forest?

    The same exact comment when he said they were on the lake unless I’m entirely flipping my shit. (Possible, I’ve been told nobody would be surprised)

    I’m sorry. But that was funny.

    Glad to amuse you; teleport and fight is the most used combat strategy in HP. And not using the spells that would be useful is… an enormous plothole that all I can really do is shrug for.

    You’re asking me to be realistic…?
    When suggesting characters in harry potter are going to pull off something that wouldn’t work in JK Rowlings wildest dreams?


    If you want all of CHB to surround the castle by going all the way around that massive movie-lake, there’s going to be a person like every what- 1,000 meters? Or more? In that case, fully half of CHB will be entirely unaware they’re being attacked at any given time.

    Teleport in and fight has been done in literally every book since 3. And “fly in and fight” has been the SoP since book 1.

    Speaking of which, camouflaged fliers on camouflaged brooms- no sound. Easy way to get a few of the lower grade kids out; or stealth airstrike.
    Better yet, Harry has done it before.

  36. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:44 am -      #636

    “SoP”

    Stuff of Potter?
    Shit on paper?
    Stupid one punch?
    Soap of Power?

  37. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 11:48 am -      #637

    Stuff of Potter?
    Shit on paper?
    Stupid one punch?
    Soap of Power?


    Google is a powerful tool, my friend.

  38. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:50 am -      #638

    I tried that, then i got some shit about some kind of online censorship thing.

    Also guessing is way more fun
    – – –
    Standard operating procedure

    yeah… it works that time…….

  39. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 11:52 am -      #639

    JMT March 30, 2015 at 11:40 am – #152
    Ok, since apparently the prompt is not enough, here I go again. This fight is between the Greek-born demigods of Cammp Half Blood and the wizards of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The demigods have laid siege lines around Hogwarts, constrained by the Forest and the Lake. Hogwarts includes every student and teacher as of the beginning of the events of Half-Blood Prince. No animal allies are allowed, nor are Roman demigods or reinforcements on either side. This is solely between the full strength of Hogwarts and the full strength of Camp Half-Blood.
    – – –
    One more time. Just in case.

  40. Ragnorke April 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm -      #640

    @Friendly
    “Glad to amuse you; teleport and fight is the most used combat strategy in HP. And not using the spells that would be useful is… an enormous plothole that all I can really do is shrug for.”

    Wait wait wait..
    You’re saying making around 200 port keys, to ambush a camp, all the while being invisible, and then launching a co-ordinated attack to instantly take out all the important targets… Is something that happens in HP?

    No Friendly. No it isn’t.
    I may not have good memory of the books, but i have read them all.

    Again, these are CHARACTERS, not puppets.
    NO ONE in Hogwarts would think of doing this. You know it. I know it.
    And most importantly, you have no way to prove it.

    In a hundred different scenarios, yea, it could potentially happen.
    But it is NOT likely to happen.
    Personality, combat knowledge, and combat strategies do not get thrown out the window for matches.
    Characters act the way they WOULD act in their own verse.

    Percy DID create a 350 ft tall tidal wave when shit wasn’t going his way.
    Nicco DID collapse a fortress and summoned hordes of undead.
    The only “unlikely assumption” we’re making for CHB is getting the Daughters of Aphrodite to scream.

    1 second is literally all any of those characters need.
    When the difference between your victory & defeat relies on killing 4 people amongst a hundred, in a semi chaotic mess, in literally a second… You aren’t statistically likely to win 51/100.
    And that’s all considering that they actually GO THROUGH with what you and Ramkin say they will A HUNDRED times.
    Which you know as well as i that they won’t.

    Their preferred strategy in a similar situation was to fortify Hogwarts.
    And don’t even try to bullshit your way out of that.

  41. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #641

    Wait wait wait..
    You’re saying making around 200 port keys, to ambush a camp, all the while being invisible, and then launching a co-ordinated attack to instantly take out all the important targets… Is something that happens in HP?


    Probably because we see a war of any large scale with prep happen a grand total of *once*. We see Harry perform almost this exact scenario multiple times- so YES, THERE IS PRECEDENT.

    1 second is literally all any of those characters need.

    False, Percy doesn’t raise a 350 foot wave in a single second. Neither does Nico summon his soldiers instantly; same with his earth-manipulation. The best feats for either of them involved physical actions, actions they can only take after they’re surprised.
    Reaction time is a thing; as is them dealing with something they’ve never dealt with before. They will hear a noise, wonder what it was; then be incapacitated. They have no experience dealing with something like this- so a delay of reaction is entirely expected.
    They do not throw their powers around just because they heard a noise.

    Also, I have no idea why you think disallusionment isn’t real invisibility. It projects what is behind you when you look at it from a certain direction- as if you weren’t there at all. Same as the invisibility cloak.

    Their preferred strategy in a similar situation was to fortify Hogwarts.
    And don’t even try to bullshit your way out of that.


    Their preferred strategy against an opponent that outnumbered and outpowered them that they were also afraid of at a level of fearing to even speak his name.
    CHB is none of these things. They have no reason to even be slightly afraid of them.

    Also, Felix would tell them that staying in the school would be a horrible idea. Best course of action available, whether they know it or not.

    And then we come to the really fun part; even if it’s all destroyed, school, students, teachers- then we have the fun game of “Catch the invisible Dumbledore”.
    Which is really the big difference, CHB needs a few certain people to win- HP needs any of the 50 or so to just not die and continue fighting.

  42. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 12:29 pm -      #642

    “They do not throw their powers around just because they heard a noise. ”

    That would be hilarious, They hear a twig snap, Percy jumps in the lake and then destroys the entire siege line and all of his friends, only to discover is was just a Bowtruckle

  43. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 12:37 pm -      #643

    Arrow-Shooting spell: Shoots arrows from the wand tip

    Badgering: Turns target human into a badger

    Bird-Conjuring Charm (Avis): Conjures birds from the wand tip

    Bluebell Flames: Conjures blue flames

    Bridge-conjuring spell: Conjures bridge

    Caught!: Restrains the foe

    Draconifors Spell (Draconifors): Turns statues or small objects into fire-breathing dragons

    Ducklifors Jinx (Ducklifors): Turns an opponent into a duck

    Ears to kumquats: Transforms a person’s ears into kumquats

    Ebublio Jinx (Ebublio): Used to make the victim inflate and then explode into hundreds of water bubbles

    Endless Sandwiches: A large plate of sandwiches that keeps refilling itself appears

    Fiendfyre: Conjures cursed fire

    Flagrate: Conjures cursed fiery rope

    Flintifors: Transforms things into matchboxes.

    Fire to Snake Spell: Transfigures a fiery rope into a snake made of flames under the caster’s control

    Fire-Making Spell (Incendio): Conjures a jet of flame

    Gemino Curse (Geminio): Duplicates an object

    Glass to sand shield: Transfigures glass back to sand within a certain radius

    Hardening Charm (Duro): Transforms things into stone

    Human to armchair: Transforms a human into a armchair

    Human to bat: Transforms a human into a bat

    Human to bone: Transforms a human into a bone

    Human to Chicken: Transforms a human into a chicken

    Human to ferret: Transforms a human into a ferret

    Human to pig: Transforms a human into a pig

    Human to shark: Transforms a human into a shark

    Human to yak: Transforms a human into a yak

    Litter-Box to wildebeest: Transforms litter-boxes to wildebeest

    Incarcerous: Conjures ropes or chains at your opponent

    Incarcifors: Used to transfigure an object to capture an opponent

    Melofors Jinx (Melofors): Used to turn an opponent’s head into a pumpkin

    Piertotum Locomotor: Animates statues and suits of armour

    Pullus Jinx (Pullus): Used to turn opponents into geese

    Reparifarge: Reverses unsuccessful transfigurations

    Rock to dog: Turns a rock into a dog

    Silver Shield Spell: Conjures forth a silver shield before the caster for protection

    Smoke to Daggers: Coalesces a horde of daggers from smoke

    Snake Summons Spell (Serpensortia): Conjures a snake

    Snufflifors Spell (Snufflifors): Turns books into mice

    Steelclaw: Used to make an animal’s claws bigger and made of steel

    Switching Spell: Switches two targets simultaneously

    Teddy Bear to Spider: Transfigures a teddy bear into a giant spider

    Tentaclifors: Used to turn a person’s head into a tentacle

    Vanishing Spell (Evanesco): Vanishes things

    Vera Verto: Used to turn an animal into a water goblet

    Vipera Evanesca: Vanishes snakes
    – – –
    Forget ferrets, a camp of little Demigod ducks is way better.

  44. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 12:40 pm -      #644

    Er, did you just grab a list of spells? Some of those are from the games and they sometimes have prerequisites to meet.

  45. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 12:46 pm -      #645

    Er, did you just grab a list of spells?

    Yes, Yes i did.
    – – –
    s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/b4/bb/79b4bb96ead1978eb84ac1973b0ed5cc.jpg

  46. Commander Cross April 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm -      #646

    How many of you have Copies of The Lost Hero, The Mark of Athena and The House of Hades on you as well as The Demigod Diaries by chance?

    Because Chapter 12, Pages 91-91 and Chapter 75 starting from Page 552 all the way until Chapter’s end of The House of Hades is particularly where I find some notings on Leo being able to sense Heat behind Smoke, Haze or Fog.

    At the moment I’m currently looking for any cited examples in The Lost Hero and The Mark of Athena and hoping to see if Chapters and Page Numbers to look up can’t be cited out, and then some digging can be done.

    Even then, people tend to forget about the fact Leo has the Spheres of Archimedes as well in Side A’s favor, with the Spheres of Archimedes, he can craft any sort of Grenade when needed.

    It’s just as important as Leo’s Potential to make use of Thermal senses and whatnot.

    Leo could hand Percy Water Grenades when needed, for instance and if Percy uses them things will get Crazier.

    The Demigod Diaries also shows A LOT of the details for how Greek Fire Bombs(The Kind the Forces of Olympus would be using, including HALF of their Officers in this fight.) are crafted, all in Luke Castellan’s Perspective as well in the opening first Diary Entry of the novella.

  47. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 2:52 pm -      #647

    @Cross
    Was actually planning on systematically searching all those books for Leo feats once I got back from campus.
    —-
    At least now, I’ll know where to look.

  48. Commander Cross April 2, 2015 at 3:10 pm -      #648

    @Nsl98 at #646

    The Leo-Centric Chapters plus one of the Entries in The Demigod Diaries with him, Piper and Jason of New Rome in it are more integral than first glances suggest, more than you’d know so far.

    Piper McLean is also hinted to be very gifted at Reading The very EMOTIONS of people around her with Horrific Ease, Post-The Lost Hero if I recall right, and if Side B don’t Transmutate Piper to something else or deal with her quickly ASAP, she always has the option to go make the request to Side B to ‘Go to Sleep’ and put most of Side B’s forces to sleep if the Hypnos and Morpheus Cabins don’t do so first.

    Cabin #17(The Nike Cabin) is also noted to be Very Competitive and if allowed, they have no intentions of falling behind everyone else in Side A on the Front-lines.

    If Clarisse La Rue is even more dangerous than I remembered her being, if anyone from Side B grabs a gun, Clarisse might have the bullets and maybe even the very guns turned into Rubber for good measure if the Blessings of Ares are active.
    The Ares Cabin as a sub-group is noted to be particularly dangerous, give them a Medieval War Mace and they’ll know and understand how to use the weapon well enough, give them Grenades of any kind and they’d be able to catch on quickly for how to use them with the basics, give them Spathions and they’ll be so bloody Dangerous with those particular Swords it’s not out of the question A LOT of Projectile Spells will get Deflected elsewhere.

    The only immediate flaw I can find to this gift is that it takes time to fully master each and every weapon in question.

    Side B had better be packing some of the gear used to deal with Mandrake Roots, otherwise those Sonic Grenades and Will Solace’s voice will be nothing short of Painful to say the least.

    No matter how this matter ends, Side A’s already proven to be far greater than the Sum of their parts together.

    Though I must admit that if Side B doesn’t get turned to Animals and the like first, the ideas of Piper as a Ferret is highly interesting.

    Emotion-reading from the Heart can be just as reliable as Thought-reading from the Mind when done right after all.

    Also funny enough, Leo did read on The Hunger Games Trilogy and also watched Doctor Who as well.

    That and Piper reading Emotions are noted in The Blood of Olympus as well the last time I checked.

    As far as I can tell, Silena Beauregard and Piper McLean are the strongest Non-Legacy Aphy kids their mother’s ever brought in for Modern-day Times, Aeneas of Troy is noted to be a Legacy Being of Zeus on his father Anchises’ side of the family, due to the Bloodlines of Dardanus the Western European and all that jazz, but I digress on that bit for now.
    Also it’s noted that Silena Beauregard and (to a lesser-known extent) Piper McLean can alter their descriptions, as both of them can alter their eye-colors and whatnot, and at least the former can even alter her hair colors and other such features.
    I did warn that the Aphy cabin was stuck between the Veela-blooded Folks(Genetic Attractions) and the Metamorphamagi(Description-warping) of the Potter-world a lot of times, Cabin Position-wise in-lore notwithstanding.

  49. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 3:52 pm -      #649

    found him sensing metal
    “Leo climbed into the dry fountain. He put his hand on the statue’s pedestal, and a rush of
    impressions surged through his fingertips. He sensed Celestial bronze gears, magical levers, springs
    and pistons.”
    House of Hades pg 51

    Able to “feel” magic…and it says that even he could…which might mean that Demigods are capable of feeling magic? I’m..not really sure.
    “Leo could think of all kinds of fun things the statue might do if he had designed it, but the more he
    examined it, the more frustrated he got. The Athena Parthenos radiated magic. Even he could feel that.
    But it didn’t seem to do anything except look impressive.”
    House of Hades pg 40

  50. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #650

    Percy holds multiple people underwater without them drowning:
    —-
    “Hazel frowned. “We can’t let them drown, can we?”
    “They won’t,” Percy promised. “I’ve got the water circulating around their feet. As soon as we’re out of range, I’ll spit them ashore.”

    pg. 239 Mark of Athena.

  51. pimpmage April 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm -      #651

    You just said someone felt magic from a statue that radiated magic… magic stuff from the hp verse is never described as radiating magic. They are magic and contain enchantments , but they don’t make sure everyone KNOWS its magic. A statue that radiates magic tells me its purpose was to let people know its magic.

  52. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:03 pm -      #652

    “Percy holds multiple people underwater without them drowning:”

    You are kinda missing the point, While Percy is making a 300 foot hight tidal wave and destroying everything in a second (which is how it has been put forward) can Percy Pinpoint every single Person on his team, make them Exempt from the sheer force of that much water moving at that speed and ensure that they all have air, all at the same time?

    Which is what is being suggested he do. I don’t think i have ever seen him do that many things at once, on a scale that large.

    Yes he can make a big wave

    Yes he has made people breath under water, like 1 at a time

    And he has controlled water to make it avoid people

    But to say he can do all of these things at the same time, With like, 1 – 200 people is frankly unsupported by anything posted

  53. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm -      #653

    Found info on how CHB prepares for war, should give us an idea of what they might have with them. Probably not the ships, but catapults should be in play.

    “In the distance, Greek triremes floated on Long Island Sound, prepped for war. Along the hills,
    catapults were being primed. Satyrs patrolled the fields, and riders on pegasi circled overhead, alert
    for aerial attacks.”
    House of Hades pg 229

  54. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:19 pm -      #654

    I’m pretty sure they don’t get Pegasi in this match

  55. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 4:25 pm -      #655

    “Unless you use non verbal spells, or the person performing the curse is a ferret”

    Non-verbal spells which a fair amount of students will have issues performing under pressure. Only the teachers will be mostly unaffected, besides not being able to give orders without rhyming. Non-verbal spells require intense concentration (SONIC ARROWS!), a great deal of practice/training, and are often weaker than a verbal version of said spell.

    Also, it becomes a matter of who curses who first in that event, Hogwartians can’t be expected to consistently beat the higher reaction time of Demigods.


    “That was only with the blessing or Ares i believe.”

    Nope. That was in book two, three books ahead of the Blessing of Ares.


    “Harry potter characters have feats for resisting Ghosts. Ghosts, just pass through them, and they remain unharmed, so Nico is a non issue”

    Ghosts in Harry Potter also really can’t do anything, so that feat is kinda useless.


    “Like the way Percy routinely murders all of his friends?”

    Like the way we know Percy goes kinda psycho when angry or his friends are in danger. If he thinks all of his friends have been killed in the initial attack on CHB he’d go berserk. Full on, “I’LL CHOKE YOU WITH YOUR TEARS!” berserk.


    “Arrow-Shooting spell: Shoots arrows from the wand tip”
    “Smoke to Daggers: Coalesces a horde of daggers from smoke”

    Oh hey, weapons for Clarisse to turn to rubber!


    “I’m pretty sure they don’t get Pegasi in this match”

    … Why not? They live in the CHB stables and are regularly used in warfare. That’d be like denying an army their horses because they aren’t part of the army.
    Speaking of, flying chariot anyone? Could be useful. The CHB air force now consists of: Pegasi riders, flying chariot, Jason, and either a giant bronze dragon or a giant flying boat.

  56. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:32 pm -      #656

    “Non-verbal spells which a fair amount of students will have issues performing under pressure.”

    Sip of felix and you can perform non verbal spells even if you had trouble with them before, while under quite alot of pressure.
    – – –
    “Hogwartians can’t be expected to consistently beat the higher reaction time of Demigods.”

    Reaction times only matter if they are aware they are under attack. Which depending on warp in positions they very well may not be.
    – – –
    “Nope. That was in book two, three books ahead of the Blessing of Ares.”

    The dragon tooth spear?? if not , need quotes
    – – –
    “Ghosts in Harry Potter also really can’t do anything, so that feat is kinda useless.”

    That ‘feat’ was a joke.
    – – –
    “like the way we know Percy goes kinda psycho when angry or his friends are in danger.”

    Percy see’s friends in danger

    Get’s mad

    Attacks and kills friends

    The logic, it has all the infallibles
    – – –
    “Oh hey, weapons for Clarisse to turn to rubber!”

    Quotes?
    – – –
    “… Why not?”

    JMT March 30, 2015 at 11:40 am – #152
    Ok, since apparently the prompt is not enough, here I go again. This fight is between the Greek-born demigods of Cammp Half Blood and the wizards of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The demigods have laid siege lines around Hogwarts, constrained by the Forest and the Lake. Hogwarts includes every student and teacher as of the beginning of the events of Half-Blood Prince. No animal allies are allowed, nor are Roman demigods or reinforcements on either side. This is solely between the full strength of Hogwarts and the full strength of Camp Half-Blood.
    – – –
    THIRD TIME this has been posted ON THIS PAGE.

    No pegasi, no Jason

  57. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm -      #657

    1 at a time? He was holding multiple people underwater, and he did it while doing this:

    All around the Romans, Charleston Harbor erupted like a Las Vegas fountain putting on a show. When the wall of seawater subsided, the three Romans were in the bay, spluttering and frantically trying to stay afloat in their armor.
    -Mark of Athena p. 241
    —–
    So yes, Percy CAN hold multiple people and protect them from drowning.
    —–
    Either the Castle or the Camp is getting destroyed here, and the demigods will be no worse for wear with Percy around.

  58. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:41 pm -      #658

    “So yes, Percy CAN hold multiple people and protect them from drowning.”

    He is circulating the current around their feet so that they can’t get out of the water. He isn’t actively preventing completely submerged people form drowning. And there are way less people there than he will have to save in this match.

    Any feats for Percy stopping a million gallons of supersonic water from plastering people? Multiple people, 1 – 200 people, one at a time?
    – – –
    “and the demigods will be no worse for wear”

    A completely unsupported utter bullshit claim.

    You haven’t proved that Percy has even enough control over water to achieve half of what you are claiming he can do.
    – – –
    Since I have had to post every thing i’ve said at least 20 times for anybody to even remotely recognise it as a POSSIBILITY. I’m not letting you get away with this pure hyperbole bullshit, without quotes.

  59. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 4:42 pm -      #659

    Dragon tooth spear was Frank’s, who isn’t here. Him being Roman and all.
    —-
    Rubber arrows:

    Then the Ares campers called down a curse, and all the Apollo kids’ arrows turned to rubber.
    -Last Olympian p. 69

    Common Ares child spell.

  60. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 4:44 pm -      #660

    “This is solely between the full strength of Hogwarts and the _full strength_ of Camp Half-Blood.”

    So Pegasi?


    “The dragon tooth spear?? if not , need quotes”

    Nope, when she has the zombie crew manning the ship for her. She doesn’t summon them on screen, but she does order them around. She also states that “As a child of Ares, I can command the losers of any war” or something along those lines.


    “The logic, it has all the infallibles”

    Or
    Percy sees all of his friends disappearing or getting hit by spells
    Percy assumes they are dead
    Percy goes Hulk mode
    Percy finds out later he killed his friends and feels really sad
    Destroy Hogwarts anyways


    “Sip of felix and you can perform non verbal spells even if you had trouble with them before, while under quite alot of pressure.”

    So everyone gets felix here? I thought they only had a small amount of it. A sip would also only last a few minutes if I remember the book right. The rhyming curse lasts for days or weeks.


    “Quotes?”

    I have no clue what book it happens in. She turns the Apollo cabin’s arrow to rubber and they proceed to pelt her/other Ares children with the rubber arrows. Someone who has a better knowledge of the books than me/is reading them now for feats can provide a quote if they know where it is.
    EDIT: Thank you Nsl98

  61. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #661

    “Dragon tooth spear was Frank’s”

    Was it????? ….. when did he get that then….. i swear clarise (whatever her name is) had a special spear from Ares….

  62. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 4:48 pm -      #662

    @Pimpmage
    “A statue that radiates magic tells me its purpose was to let people know its magic.”

    Nope its purpose is to unite the Roman and Greek camps into one.

    As for HPverse magic not radiating…….
    “Harry took the wand. He felt a sudden warmth in his fingers.”
    Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone chapter five Diagon Alley page 85 paragraph 1.

    I feel like I remember Harry feeling magic or his hair standing on end in the presence of strong magic before as well but I don’t remember where in the books those happened.

  63. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:49 pm -      #663

    So Pegasi?

    Can you read? Like, is that a thing you can do?
    ” No animal allies are allowed”
    – – –
    “Nope, when she has the zombie crew manning the ship for her.”

    That was given to her by her father as were the ghosts if i recall correctly
    – – –
    “Percy finds out later he killed his friends and feels really sad”

    This made me lol
    – – –
    “So everyone gets felix here?”

    No one has managed to prove that the refilling charm wont work on a cauldron of Felix. They could have 3 mouth fulls if they like but that would probably be an overdose.
    – – –
    “Nope its purpose is to unite the Roman and Greek camps into one.”

    No, that’s what it was used for, it’s purpose is to be a statue.

  64. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm -      #664

    Nope, when she has the zombie crew manning the ship for her. She doesn’t summon them on screen, but she does order them around. She also states that “As a child of Ares, I can command the losers of any war” or something along those lines.

    She mentions she got them from her dad, exact same paragraph.

    All around the Romans, Charleston Harbor erupted like a Las Vegas fountain putting on a show. When the wall of seawater subsided, the three Romans were in the bay, spluttering and frantically trying to stay afloat in their armor.


    Those are the people he’s holding there. He blows them up with water and them prevents them from drowning (cause armor drags you down)
    Nowhere in there is him multitasking keeping them alive while blasting them
    Nowhere in there is him even holding them underwater.

    As for HPverse magic not radiating…….
    “Harry took the wand. He felt a sudden warmth in his fingers.”
    Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone chapter five Diagon Alley page 85 paragraph 1.


    That’s just him and his wand “linking: if you want to call it that. Apparently the link between a Wizard and Wand is “mysterious” and “cool” and “explained in almost no fashion”. It’s just his wand choosing him as its master. Presumably everyone feels that.

  65. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 4:54 pm -      #665

    @Ramkin
    You are thinking of her electric one, Maimer. Mars(Ares) gave Frank the spear after he claimed him in Son of Neptune.


    You did see the rubber qoute, correct? What’s stopping the Ares kids from using that on wands?

    @Kala
    Clarisse had to pray to Ares for the troops, not sure if that’s outside help.

  66. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 4:54 pm -      #666

    If CHB doesn’t get Pegasi Hogwarts shouldn’t get broomsticks since their just as intergral to the camp as brooms are to Hogwarts.

  67. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:55 pm -      #667

    “You did see the rubber qoute, correct? What’s stopping the Ares kids from using that on wands?”

    1) A wand isn’t a traditional weapon of war, not entirely sure they have jurisdiction

    2) There isn’t really a reason that the wand’s would stop being able to perform magic.
    – – –
    “If CHB doesn’t get Pegasi Hogwarts shouldn’t get broomsticks since their just as intergral to the camp as brooms are to Hogwarts.”

    JMT March 30, 2015 at 11:40 am – #152
    Ok, since apparently the prompt is not enough, here I go again. This fight is between the Greek-born demigods of Cammp Half Blood and the wizards of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The demigods have laid siege lines around Hogwarts, constrained by the Forest and the Lake. Hogwarts includes every student and teacher as of the beginning of the events of Half-Blood Prince. No animal allies are allowed, nor are Roman demigods or reinforcements on either side. This is solely between the full strength of Hogwarts and the full strength of Camp Half-Blood.

    FOURTH TIME

    Hogwarts stops getting brooms the moment you prove they are an animal

  68. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 4:56 pm -      #668

    “If CHB doesn’t get Pegasi Hogwarts shouldn’t get broomsticks since their just as intergral to the camp as brooms are to Hogwarts.”

    JMT March 30, 2015 at 11:40 am – #152
    Ok, since apparently the prompt is not enough, here I go again. This fight is between the Greek-born demigods of Cammp Half Blood and the wizards of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The demigods have laid siege lines around Hogwarts, constrained by the Forest and the Lake. Hogwarts includes every student and teacher as of the beginning of the events of Half-Blood Prince. No animal allies are allowed, nor are Roman demigods or reinforcements on either side. This is solely between the full strength of Hogwarts and the full strength of Camp Half-Blood.

    FOURTH TIME

    Hogwarts stops getting brooms the moment you prove they are an animal

  69. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 4:57 pm -      #669

    “If CHB doesn’t get Pegasi Hogwarts shouldn’t get broomsticks since their just as intergral to the camp as brooms are to Hogwarts.”

    Also if we want to take everything in the OP literally and exactly, everyone is naked because technically their clothes, weapons, and wands are not wizards or greek demigods…
    By animal allies I’m pretty sure OP meant the satyrs and centaurs allies, not the pegasi they ride into battle on a regular basis. They aren’t even allies, they’re part of the camp’s forces.

  70. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 4:58 pm -      #670

    @Ramkin
    Ron had tape on his wand, and it was backfiring on him quite regularly in Book 2. Messing with wands seems to cause trouble for wizards. The wands even get moody if they aren’t in the right hands.
    —-
    Proof that a group of teen wizards with 4 hours of prep can master rubber casting the moment it happens?

  71. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:00 pm -      #671

    If CHB gets Pegasi, then hogwarts get house Elfs

    Who can teleport at a whim

    Teleport to places they have never been to or seen before.

    Are not even a little bit disorientated after teleporting

    Carry knives

    300 of them
    – – –
    Hogwarts now wins without a single witch or wizard doing anything.
    – – –
    Also they get thestrals, like Pegasi, but with claws and sharp canines and are also invisible.
    – – –
    “Proof that a group of teen wizards with 4 hours of prep can master rubber casting the moment it happens?”

    Ron’s wand was snapped though, the magical core was all hanging out and shit.
    – – –
    Technically the house elfs are STAFF, so there’s that.

  72. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 5:02 pm -      #672

    By animal allies I’m pretty sure OP meant the satyrs and centaurs allies, not the pegasi they ride into battle on a regular basis. They aren’t even allies, they’re part of the camp’s forces.

    Honestly, not sure Pegasi would be the best idea anyways. They have only around 200 people, splitting them into smaller groups isn’t really a beneficial strategy.
    That said, pretty sure those would be allowed.

    You did see the rubber qoute, correct? What’s stopping the Ares kids from using that on wands?

    Not weapons of war
    Magic sticks, feats of it working on magical items?
    Not arrows in particular, the only thing we’ve seen that work on

    Proof that a group of teen wizards with 4 hours of prep can master rubber casting the moment it happens?

    You didn’t prove that that curse would even work on wands- seems pretty specifically to be arrows.
    Didn’t turn the bows to rubber.
    Didn’t turn the armor to rubber.

    So everyone gets felix here? I thought they only had a small amount of it.

    Well at the beginning of the book they have a cauldron full. And Harry has 12 hours of the stuff and only uses 3 before the final battle.

    Most of them are cowards.

    How?

  73. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 5:04 pm -      #673

    “If CHB gets Pegasi, then hogwarts get house Elfs”

    Except house elves are servants and not used in warfare. I’m pretty sure there’s only one instance of an elf ever being in combat. Most of them are cowards.

  74. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 5:08 pm -      #674

    Arrows are a wooden stick with a pointed end. Wands are a wooden stick with pointed tips.
    —-
    Both can be used as weapons, and the Ares kids aren’t stupid. If they see something pointed at them and it shoots out stuff, they’re going to know its a weapon.

  75. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:08 pm -      #675

    “Except house elves are servants and not used in warfare”

    They are hired to work by Dumbledore. They are staff members, Prove that any of the House elfs at Hogwarts are cowards, the only one we have any experience with was Dobby and he sacrificed his life to save them so theres that.

    “they’re going to know its a weapon.”

    They are going to SUSPECT its a weapon.
    That is like calling a blacksmiths hammer a weapon, It’s actually a tool, that can also be used to kill people.

  76. Aelfinn April 2, 2015 at 5:11 pm -      #676

    “Already covered it. This fellow called Ragnarok (heh) had a little discussion with me after it.
    Read my response to him.”


    I read it. You still didn’t solve my problem with the calc. How easily a material is fragmented has nothing to do with its density, and just because he split off a bunch of ice doesn’t mean it would destroy a castle made of stone. You’re comparing apples and oranges here. ALSO, I read the quote. Water forcing its way through a bunch of internal cracks and crevices is not the same as complete and utter destruction. ALSO, Percy had the entire ocean to use. The lake at Hogwarts is something like half a mile across. Does he even have the water to do what he did there?
    =
    “>Votes once
    >Is called out for spam voting.
    Wut.”


    It’s a bit of a faux pas to call for the FP award when you still have multiple people arguing against you. At least, when the debate’s only gone on for a few days.

  77. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:12 pm -      #677

    “It’s a bit of a faux pas to call for the FP award when you still have multiple people arguing against you.”

    He does it all the time, we just ignore it, the little whipper snapper. Such a scamp. He’s growing up so fast *sniff*

    Though i fear that Ragnorke fellow is a bad influence on him

  78. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 5:14 pm -      #678

    Oh hey, apparently House Elves have been used before, in the Last Battle they STABBED AT ANKLES!
    OH MY GOSH THIS’LL TURN THE TIDE OF BATTLE FOR SURE. THE ANKLE STABBERS COME.

    They disapprove of Dobby’s attitude, so they aren’t all like him. They’re described as being scared of Hogwarts’s poltergeist too.

  79. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 5:16 pm -      #679

    Arrows are a wooden stick with a pointed end. Wands are a wooden stick with pointed tips.

    Arrows are a wooden stick with a hard material (in this case celestial bronze) and feathers on the end. They’re also an instrument of war recognized by Ares.
    I could go on, you want more differences?

    and the Ares kids aren’t stupid

    (Frowns and looks through several books)
    Right

    If they see something pointed at them and it shoots out stuff

    Lovely word, ‘if’.

    And before I forget to mention it (again) the Slytherin Common Room is underneath the Lake. Harry can see into that room with the Marauder Map.

    They’re described as being scared of Hogwarts’s poltergeist too.

    Considering they had no problem kicking Harry, Ron, and Hermione out- they appear to have a backbone when riled.

    NS votes and not one, but three people get on his case. Ok.

    I was talking to everyone

  80. Nsl98 April 2, 2015 at 5:17 pm -      #680

    Just throwing it out there, Rag and Xander voted and nobody says anything.
    —-
    NS votes and not one, but three people get on his case. Ok.
    —-
    And wands are a thing in the Riordanverse, and are used as a weapon. Ares knows about them.
    —-

    Ares Character description:
    -Weapon of Choice: You name it, he’s got it.

    Demigod Files

  81. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:18 pm -      #681

    “They disapprove of Dobby’s attitude”

    They disapprove of Dobby getting paid, how does that make them cowards.
    – – –
    “They’re described as being scared of Hogwarts’s poltergeist too.”

    He regularly assaults people. like, all the time.
    – – –
    “Oh hey, apparently House Elves have been used before, in the Last Battle they STABBED AT ANKLES!”

    And they can’t aim higher, because….?

    Knife to the stomach will kill just about anyone.
    – – –
    “NS votes and not one, but three people get on his case. Ok.”

    We love you really, it’s called tough love. We have to teach you proper etiquette, Rag and Xander should know better.

  82. KalaDellexe April 2, 2015 at 5:23 pm -      #682

    “And they can’t aim higher, because….?”

    Because they’re tiny.

    And a knife to the stomach has to go through armor. Half-Bloods have nectar and ambrosia as well as healing magic if it doesn’t instantly kill them, which a stomach wound won’t.

  83. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:23 pm -      #683

    “And wands are a thing in the Riordanverse, and are used as a weapon.”

    Yeah but a spatula can be used as a weapon, doesn’t mean that Ares has dominion over it.
    – – –
    “Because they’re tiny.”

    favim.com/orig/201106/10/deathly-hallows-dobby-dobby-the-house-elf-harry-potter-luna-lovegood-Favim.com-71229.jpg

    Very easily stab people in the stomach, or lower back
    – – –
    “Half-Bloods have nectar and ambrosia ”

    Only if they have time to actually eat it. Knife to stomach, Knife to throat. dead.

  84. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 5:26 pm -      #684

    -Weapon of Choice: You name it, he’s got it.

    Spartan laser, lightsaber, octopus gun (insert additional weapons he absolutely does not have here)

    House Elves have some sort of rule about not using magic unless they’re given permission. Just tell them to go nuts, they love orders.
    Kreacher basically throws everything he had at the Hocrux when told to.
    Dobby had no issues defending Harry when he wanted to.
    Even Winky throws her magic around to try and restrain Crouch.

  85. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:28 pm -      #685

    “House Elves have some sort of rule about not using magic unless they’re given permission.”

    They still can if they really really want to though, Dobby did.

  86. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #686

    They are basically an army of little shadow striking Talions

  87. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 5:48 pm -      #687

    “No, that’s what it was used for, it’s purpose is to be a statue.”

    Right…that’s why it was important for the demigods to get it….not because its a powerful magical artifact that can bring peace from whatever it was enchanted to do….but because its a statue.
    Because….enchanted statues are just statues, which is why none of the enchanted statues in Hogwarts will be able to do anything whatsoever besides stand there and be shitty sculptures.
    Its not like we’ve seen statues in the demigod verse be far more than statues before or anything. Nope its just a fucking statue because Harry Potter debaters said so.
    -

  88. pimpmage April 2, 2015 at 6:02 pm -      #688

    Jake, the statue was quoted to be radiating magic. What if magic items didn’t radiate magic? In one of the earlier hp books, Harry receives an enchanted textbook that the teachers didn’t know existed. Everyday in class, nobody but Harry knew it was enchanted.

  89. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm -      #689

    “They are basically an army of little shadow striking Talions”

    Except for the fact they never did that….ever.

    Also interesting little quote I found. Apparition being slow enough that a thrown knife by a human was able to hit one of the people performing it.

    “Harry seized Dobby’s hand and spun on the spot to dissapperate. As he turned into darkness he caught one last view of the room: of the pale frozen figures of Narcissa and Draco, of the streak of red that was Ron’s hair, and a blur of flying silver, as Bellatrix’s knife flew across the room at the place where he was vanishing—-”

    So teleport assassins are going to drop like flies to arrows.

  90. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #690

    Also wasn’t Apparition described as making a popping sound similar to a car back firing? Not exactly stealthy for popping into and out of a battle all ninja like.

  91. pimpmage April 2, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #691

    They can cast magic though, and people can cast magic on them too. Also, that sound you are talking about sounds about right, but there would be 200 sources of that sound instantly all across the battlefield as well as 1000 students and teachers invisibly and silently porting onto the field.

  92. Friendlysociopath April 2, 2015 at 6:16 pm -      #692

    Also interesting little quote I found. Apparition being slow enough that a thrown knife by a human was able to hit one of the people performing it.

    She threw it before he even started to teleport. It was already in the air.

    So teleport assassins are going to drop like flies to arrows.

    If they happen to be shooting/throwing things at a location before they teleport- sure.
    Luckily, invisibility is just a spell away.

    Also wasn’t Apparition described as making a popping sound similar to a car back firing?

    True, ranges from a small ‘pop’ to a car backfiring. I never said they would be ninjas, just invisible and attacking with the element of surprise.

    Just fire where you hear a car backfiring,

    It’s usually a pop. I think it’s described as a car backfiring all of once in the very first book.

  93. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #693

    ” invisibility is just a spell away.”

    Just fire where you hear a car backfiring, Apparition isn’t exactly noiseless.

    Also looking right at the page….unless she threw it several minutes before Dobby showed up (in which case Apparition is a hell of a lot slower than I previously thought) it never describes her throwing it before Harry decided to get out.
    She calls him a monkey
    Dobby is a free elf
    Harry’s head hurts like hell
    tells Ron to grab the goblin and Harry grabs Dobby and the above quote happens.

  94. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm -      #694

    “Right…that’s why it was important for the demigods to get it….not because its a powerful magical artifact that can bring peace from whatever it was enchanted to do….but because its a statue.”

    But its not…. The statue was in Greece, it was very important to them, then the Romans stole it and hid it. Greeks have been searching for it for years, way before they ever encountered the roman camp… again. There is never any indication it has magical peace powers.
    – – –
    “Because….enchanted statues are just statues, ”

    It’s not enchanted, it built up some kind of magic by being the object of admiration to the greeks. At least thats how i think it got magical. If anybody could actually post quotes about it that would be great
    – – –
    “Its not like we’ve seen statues in the demigod verse be far more than statues before or anything. Nope its just a fucking statue because Harry Potter debaters said so.”

    No, seriously, it is just a statue. It was important to the greeks and they were bitter about it being nicked hence all the hard feelings.
    – – –
    “Harry receives an enchanted textbook that the teachers didn’t know existed.”

    What? when?

    “Except for the fact they never did that….ever.”

    But it’s possible

  95. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 6:25 pm -      #695

    I mean, Superman has never beaten Goku before, but he can still do it… with a single punch.

  96. pimpmage April 2, 2015 at 6:27 pm -      #696

    Remember that enchanted potion making textbook that let Harry make the most difficult portions extremely easily because scripts showed up on the page that gave him backdoor options for making potions? I think snape made sure Harry received that book in particular though. No other students or teachers knew it existed even though Harry uses it on a daily basis.

  97. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #697

    “But it’s possible”

    It is….but they will more likely do what they did in the book….which is loudly shout their intention to join the fight and charge while letting loose a loud battle cry.

  98. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #698

    “Remember that enchanted potion making textbook that let Harry make the most difficult portions extremely easily because scripts showed up on the page that gave him backdoor options for making potions? I think snape made sure Harry received that book in particular though. No other students or teachers knew it existed even though Harry uses it on a daily basis.”
    – – –
    Are you talking about the half blood prices Book????

    The book that he got while Slughorn was the potions teacher out of a pile of almost identical books, and was not actually enchanted in any way, just had scribbles in the margins??

    Because if that’s not what you are talking about then what you are talking about doesn’t exist.
    – – –
    “It is….but they will more likely do what they did in the book….which is loudly shout their intention to join the fight and charge while letting loose a loud battle cry.”

    Teenage freedom ninja house elf’s are way cooler though
    – – –
    So what every one seems to agree is that Hogwarts would win 100/100 engagements if they were not all Complete fucking idiots. Unfortunately a large combination of PIS and CIS prevents victory…

    OH WAIT, PIS and CIS are turned off if they interfere with match victory!!!(according to Ragnorke)

  99. Jake_Uzumaki April 2, 2015 at 6:33 pm -      #699

    @Pipmage
    uhm….that was just Snapes old potions book that had notes scrawled on the sides I don’t remember them ever appearing out of nowhere. the reason the teachers got up in arms about it was because Harry found a spell in it that when he used it it caused massive cuts to open on Malfoy’s chest and he lost most of his blood from said wounds.
    Which….is a pretty good reason to be suspicious of the book.
    Hermione and Ginnycompared it to Riddle’s Diary but that was more a horribly written dig at addiction to an object than it was calling the book enchanted from what I remember.

    Or was it Snape who asked for the book? In which case he probably just wanted his old book back for his cliff notes.

  100. LadyRamkin April 2, 2015 at 6:36 pm -      #700

    “Or was it Snape who asked for the book? In which case he probably just wanted his old book back for his cliff notes.”

    Snape probably had those notes committed to memory, he probably asked for the book because he recognised the spell Harry used to open up Malfoy, and didn’t like harry succeeding in potions due to his hard work

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