Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts

Camp Half Blood Vs Hogwarts

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Camp Half Blood (The Percy Jackson universe) wage war against Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (Harry Potter).

Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces, disregarding allies and gods, but including deceased or traitorous demigods, have reason to believe that one of their own is in Hogwarts, and has laid siege to it, using divine magic to block apparition off the grounds and floo travel. Hogwarts is in Sixth Year, possessing a full-power Dumbledore.

Can the Camp take the castle, how long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?

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454 Comments on "Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts"

  1. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:32 pm -      #301

    Slughorn is the one that made the Felix Felicis, not Snape.

    Also, All Hogwarts staff can repair the most severe of tearing apart injuries in seconds. They fix splinched students in seconds.

  2. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 8:34 pm -      #302

    Why am i not the least bit surprised that you guys are ignoring the Glacier feat…

  3. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:35 pm -      #303

    Well, I’m ignoring it because I generally fail to understand the scale of feats and ice and stuff.

  4. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:36 pm -      #304

    I know, it’s just Snape retreated at the end of Book 6.
    —–
    Since we are dealing with Book 6 Hogwarts, however it was at the end of Book 6 is what is in play.

  5. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 8:37 pm -      #305

    @LadyRamkin
    true there are a ton more problems than even those. But at some point the viability of vs debate tactics and why they aren’t used clash.

  6. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:37 pm -      #306

    “Since we are dealing with Book 6 Hogwarts, however it was at the end of Book 6 is what is in play.”

    I see. He wasn’t really that great anyway.

  7. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 8:40 pm -      #307

    -OP specifies Book 6 Hogwarts.
    -Current incarnation for Book 6 Hogwarts is how ever it was at the end of Book 6
    -By the end of Book 6, the FF potion is already used up
    -No FF potion for Book 6 Hogwarts
    -That also means no Snape


    Now see, you didn’t say any of that before, which is why I asked you to take a good look at what you said.
    Furthermore, incarnation before incapacitation.
    That would include:
    Malfoy and Snape being there
    Dumbledore being alive
    The wards not being taken down by Death Eaters
    Several people not maimed or injured
    and Vital resources not being squandered in the final battle
    Like we do for EVERY fiction; it’s before final battle, not during or after.

    Come to think of it, did somebody ban the Order of the Phoenix? I noticed nobody brought them up and assumed I missed it- they’re guarding the school during the 6th book.

    Why am i not the least bit surprised that you guys are ignoring the Glacier feat…

    Because at the moment it’s not relevant? Scenario is very clear, “take the Castle”.
    Not take the grounds on which the castle stood.
    Not take the ruins of the castle.

    So Percy and Nico destroying it
    is
    not
    an
    option.

    As I’ve said again, and again, and again.

  8. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:40 pm -      #308

    @Rag
    I already knew Percy one shots Hogwarts. Pretty sure Jake knows too.
    —–
    Unless you’re referring to the debaters for Team Wizard. In which case, never mind.

  9. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:42 pm -      #309

    “its just if it was that easy wouldn’t Voldemort have prepared for the battle by making an infinite supply to ensure none of his subordinates screwed things up?”

    “true there are a ton more problems than even those. But at some point the viability of vs debate tactics and why they aren’t used clash.”

    The problem is, these spell combinations and just general utility are completely viable. The only reason they aren’t used is PIS. There is not one viable reason that they can’t be used. I would be will to say that all wizards are just stupid and make it a CIS issue. But Harry is left in an obviously abusive home by muggle authorities for 11 years. For Plot reasons. EVERYONE is stupid.
    – – –
    “Unless you’re referring to the debaters for Team Wizard.”

    I wouldn’t say im debateing for team wizard, i am just stateing things as i see them, good/bad for either team.

  10. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:45 pm -      #310

    -Malfoy and Snape not being there doesn’t incapacitate Hogwarts
    -What exactly will two Dumbledore’s do?
    -And last chapter of Book 6 happens a few days or weeks after the Death Eater attack. Nobody is injured or anything.
    -Hogwarts is still combat capable

  11. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:47 pm -      #311

    “What exactly will two Dumbledore’s do?”

    Wut?

    “And last chapter of Book 6 happens a few days or weeks after the Death Eater attack. Nobody is injured or anything.”

    Well, would that mean that hogwarts gets all of the people that turned up for Dumbledore’s funeral then?

  12. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:49 pm -      #312

    @Ramkin
    Dumbledore being alive

    Friendly mentioned that in his post. I thought he was trying to say that there would be two Dumbledore’s in this match.

  13. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:51 pm -      #313

    I see.

  14. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 8:54 pm -      #314

    Friendly mentioned that in his post. I thought he was trying to say that there would be two Dumbledore’s in this match.

    No, that would be silly.
    Malfoy and Snape are an example- as is the Felix Felicis. Whenever we throw universes at one another, we use them before the Final Battle as that’s when they’re the most combat capable.

    We wouldn’t throw LoTR in a fight after the Final Battle because most of the people are dead.
    We wouldn’t throw the WoT series in a fight after the Final Battle because then they’ve lost resources; people, items, all of those things.

  15. Limbo Lowk March 30, 2015 at 8:56 pm -      #315

    “People with average reaction times shooting other people with average reaction times?”

    I’d say above average for the quiditch players. Still within reasonable human reactions but definitily not at or below average.

  16. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 9:00 pm -      #316

    Also, not really relevant, but in the department of mysteries, they have a room, full of love.

    Magic in Harry potter be wack yo

  17. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 9:09 pm -      #317

    @Ramkin
    “Well, I’m ignoring it because I generally fail to understand the scale of feats and ice and stuff.”

    So lets just stick to a single dimension for now to make it simple, and we’ll add factors step by step,
    The Glacier was 120 km in length,
    Hogwarts is probably less than 5 km in length,

    So assuming Percy took off about 4.2% of that Glacier, he would basically be able to take down all of Hogwarts. (Taking ONLY lengths into consideration)

    Now lets add in the height
    Glacier is 350 ft. (0.1 km)
    Hogwarts averages out at 200 ft. (0.06 km)
    0.1 x 120 = 12
    0.06 x 5 = 0.3

    So assuming Percy took off about 2.5% of that Glacier, he would basically be able to take down all of Hogwarts. (Taking Height & Length into consideration)

    Now lets add Density.
    Ice is 0.9,
    Cement Bricks are 1.4,
    12 x 0.9 = 10.8
    0.3 x 1.4 = 0.42

    So assuming Percy took off about 3.9% of that Glacier, he would basically be able to take down all of Hogwarts. (Taking Height, Length, & Density into consideration)

    I don’t know the width of the Hubbard Glacier, and thus i won’t involve Width into the scenario. However, i think it’s safe to assume it has a width greater than Hogwarts (which is a square, implying its width would also be close to 5 km)

    Now take into consideration that Hogwarts has an inconsistent height, due to the towers. Which makes it all the easier to collapse.

    Now take into consideration that most of Hogwarts has grounds which shouldn’t have been taken into consideration during the length x height calculations.

    Now take into consideration that even the inside of Hogwarts is largely hollow.

    Know what that comes down to?
    The force requires to break even (approx) 0.1% of the Hubbard Glacier would be enough to cause the entirely of the school to collapse & sink.

    Percy broke what was described as a large piece, and it was stated that break caused hundreds of acres of water to open up.
    It also shook most of the Glacier.

    With that much force, there would literally be almost nothing left of the school, or anyone inside it.
    The sheer force of the water would rip most people apart, let alone the damage caused by the collapsing castle.

    This is done in a SINGLE wave that Percy created mid-fight.

  18. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 9:13 pm -      #318

    so…. it’s big then?

  19. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 9:16 pm -      #319

    Except Hogwarts is still combat capable, even at the end of Book 6. They already have a full powered Dumbledore given to them for this fight.
    —-
    So it’s full power Dumbledore plus end of Book 6 Hogwarts vs Composite Greek Demigods.

  20. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 9:17 pm -      #320

    @Friendly
    “Like we do for EVERY fiction; it’s before final battle, not during or after.”

    Wasn’t the potion used up significantly before the final battle..?

    “Because at the moment it’s not relevant? Scenario is very clear, “take the Castle”.
    Not take the grounds on which the castle stood.
    Not take the ruins of the castle.
    So Percy and Nico destroying it is not an option.
    As I’ve said again, and again, and again.”

    Some official definitions of “Take”:
    – remove (someone or something) from a particular place.
    – To divide into parts; disassemble or dismantle.
    – To assume control, management, or responsibility.
    – To move into or assume occupancy of.
    – To cause to die; kill or destroy.
    – to seize or capture.

    I didn’t realize you were OP and could force rules onto the rest of us… Nice to know,

    The map Scenario asks whether or not CHB can take the castle, and what losses would each side suffer.
    There is NO mention of taking the castle in standing condition. It would simply be one of the losses the side suffers.

  21. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 9:23 pm -      #321

    @FriendlySociopath at #310

    There’s two Dumbledores to worry about, Albus and Aberforth Dumbledore, and the last I checked, give them enough of the right equipment and it’s possible they’d be a two-sibling Demolition Crew for anyone who’s NOT a ‘3 sons of Kronos’ kid generally speaking.
    Not a Guarantee for either side getting Victory’s Approval but nothing to ignore either.
    If In-Game Spells are allowed, Allow Side B Magicus Extremos and it gets Crazier than first glances suggest, including the Dumbledore Brothers taking their Potential Danger Factors cranked up a few notches or so.

    @Ragnorke at #313

    Depending on how Big or Tall the Glacier is, if it’s at least the height of Skyscrapers+ at minimum, This isn’t anything to take lightly and it has the possibilities of busting through one of the Physical Castle Walls of Side B.

    @Everyone else

    In this matter, I am taking no side in particular for too many reasons I’d rather not count right away between you and me.
    What I can say for sure is that no matter what happens here, I am Proud to serve alongside the majority of you all and if nothing else, I hope the upcoming Free-for-all fight I’ve requested will go well.

    Not to say that Destroying the Castle is Impossible for Side A to do if they must do so, what about Capturing the Castle if it’s possible as well?
    If they captured the Castle, a lot of possibilities can happen if it gets to that point.

    The ones with The Most Authority in a given thread are the Match Suggester, the People in the thread aside from the OP, the Mod Council or the Head of Site themselves the last time I checked.

    Anything less likely won’t cut it here.

  22. Ragnarok March 30, 2015 at 9:29 pm -      #322

    @Ragnorke
    Instead of using arbitrary percentages, why don’t we just use the information provided in the book, that the break created hundreds of acres of new sea water.
    There are 248 acres in a square kilometer.
    Hogwarts is (according to your estimate) 25 square kilometers.
    That is 6200 acres.
    Taking height into account: 6500 * 200 / 350 = 3614
    Taking density into account: 3714 * 1.4 / .9 = 5777

    So unless the book referred to 5777 acres as “hundreds of acres,” which I will admit is possible, but incredibly unlikely, this feat alone doesn’t show that Percy has the ability to destroy Hogwarts with a single wave. Additionally, I would like to point out that separating a large section of the glacier, and causing it to sink into the sea, is different than completely destroying it. For example, in “Ice Age,” Scrat splits an incredibly enormous glacier with only his nut, although he clearly wouldn’t have the strength to collapse Hogwarts into a heap of rubble.

  23. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 9:35 pm -      #323

    @LadyRamkin
    I did point out earlier that they apparently never considered that spells colliding with Avada Kadavra could block it, or at least the jet of light of the stun spell can block the green jet of the killing curse, but it makes you wonder if other spells that are beams like those two would be able to do the same thing, I mean you would think that over the course of many decades of wizards dueling, and a war between Voldemort’s forces and the Ministry of Magic someone would have noticed that the jet of green light was stopped if it collided with another spell. And that one fact makes the unblockable nature of it far more questionable (ignoring that there actually is a counter spell in the sacrificial love spell that both Lily and Harry perform, its not the most practical but one person sacrifices himself to protect his comrades like Harry did and whoever’s AK was blocked can no longer kill them. Sure sacrificing yourself that way isn’t the best strategy but you’d think that it would come up a hell of a lot more often than once. Are you telling me in the entire war no one else dove in front of someone they loved the way Lily did?)
    It really calls the battlefield awareness of Wzards and Witches into question.

    And if one NLF is proven wrong in the canon itself then which other apparent NLF’s are actually far more limited than anyone in the universe has actually taken the time to notice? Is Felix Felicus really all that infalliable luck wise? Can the liquid refilling charm really infinitely refill a liquid or is the limit just incredibly high? Everything about the Wizarding World’s magic tactics behavior etc is questionable already because they’ve stagnated to the point of zero progress.

  24. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 9:37 pm -      #324

    Scrat could no doubt solo this match, if he was here.
    —-
    -He can swim through the ocean on a single breath for unknown periods of time
    -Create mountains and continents just by hitting his head on the bottom of the earth
    -Get blasted to the center of the earth and come out with no injury
    —-
    I don’t think it was a good idea to mention Scrat. Simply put, Scrat has toonforce, and the stuff he does in Ice Age is fairly low tier compared to other toonforce users.
    —–
    Also, Ragnorke vs Ragnarok is about to start guyz.

  25. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 9:40 pm -      #325

    @Ragnarok
    “nstead of using arbitrary percentages, why don’t we just use the information provided in the book, that the break created hundreds of acres of new sea water.”

    I hope you understand how vague the term “hundreds” can be.

    “Hogwarts is (according to your estimate) 25 square kilometers.”

    If you read my entire post, i made a couple of notes regarding this.
    1. Claiming the 5 km for each dimension was a high end over estimate.
    2. Several parts of the campus is flat grounds land, which would not be included whatsoever.

    “Taking height into account: 6500 * 200 / 350 = 3614″

    Once again, if you read my entire post you’d know the note i made regarding the height.
    Inconsistency of height is NOT a good thing, and it makes it easier to break.

    “Taking density into account: 3714 * 1.4 / .9 = 5777″

    This also doesn’t happen to take my note into account regarding most of Hogwarts being hollow.

    “which I will admit is possible, but incredibly unlikely, ”

    Consider the 5 things i just had to remind you of, and then get back to me.
    If you admit to it being possible before taking any of those into consideration, any logical person would admit to it being incredibly likely now.

    ” Additionally, I would like to point out that separating a large section of the glacier, and causing it to sink into the sea, is different than completely destroying it.”

    That’s obviously true.
    But Hogwarts doesn’t need to be destroyed on a molecular level at all.
    Enough damage leads to it destroying itself.
    (Hollow interior, Inconsistent heights. Common sense should do the rest)
    Not to mention the damage is being done by a giant tidal wave, which WILL submerge the remainder.

    “For example, in “Ice Age,” Scrat splits an incredibly enormous glacier with only his nut, although he clearly wouldn’t have the strength to collapse Hogwarts into a heap of rubble.”

    The physics behind the glacier/nut scene isn’t scientifically viable whatsoever.
    Please don’t use that as an example.

  26. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 9:41 pm -      #326

    I didn’t realize you were OP and could force rules onto the rest of us… Nice to know,

    I didn’t realize it was such a mental strain to recognize killing the person you’re trying to rescue isn’t a very good job of rescuing them.
    Which is the scenario that you have done such a job of trying to ignore.

    Wasn’t the potion used up significantly before the final battle..?

    They’re a bit vague about exactly how much potion Harry had even to start with.
    I believe he took a single swallow and he was set for 3 hours. Splitting it up among the others had the remaining effects last for about 10 minutes for all of them- so pooling it together should give you luck for at least 30-60 minutes.

  27. wingedlion March 30, 2015 at 9:48 pm -      #327

    “– To divide into parts; disassemble or dismantle.”

    “– To cause to die; kill or destroy.”

    Hold up.
    Where did you get these definitions from?
    I get the others, but not these two.
    And from what i gather, the official definitions are these:
    verb (used with object), took, taken, taking.
    1.
    to get into one’s hold or possession by voluntary action:
    to take a cigarette out of a box; to take a pen and begin to write.
    2.
    to hold, grasp, or grip:
    to take a book in one’s hand; to take a child by the hand.
    3.
    to get into one’s hands, possession, control, etc., by force or artifice:
    to take a bone from a snarling dog.
    4.
    to seize or capture:
    to take an enemy town; to take a prisoner.
    5.
    to catch or get (fish, game, etc.), especially by killing:
    to take a dozen trout on a good afternoon.
    6.
    to pick from a number; select:
    Take whichever you wish.
    7.
    to receive and accept willingly (something given or offered):
    to take a compliment with a smile; to take a bribe.


    verb (used without object), took, taken, taking.
    85.
    to catch or engage, as a mechanical device:
    She turned the key and heard a click as the catch took.
    86.
    to strike root or begin to grow, as a plant.
    87.
    to adhere, as ink, dye, or color.
    88.
    (of a person or thing) to win favor or acceptance:
    a new TV show that took with the public.
    89.
    to have the intended result or effect, as a medicine, inoculation, etc.:
    The vaccination took.
    90.
    to enter into possession, as of an estate.
    91.
    to detract (usually followed by from).


    noun
    97.
    the act of taking.
    98.
    something that is taken.
    99.
    the quantity of fish, game, etc., taken at one time.
    100.
    an opinion or assessment:
    What’s your take on the candidate?
    101.
    an approach; treatment:
    a new take on an old idea.
    102.
    Informal. money taken in, especially profits.
    103.
    Journalism. a portion of copy assigned to a Linotype operator or compositor, usually part of a story or article.


    So i’m not sure how those fit the bill.

  28. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 9:49 pm -      #328

    @Friendly
    “I didn’t realize it was such a mental strain to recognize killing the person you’re trying to rescue isn’t a very good job of rescuing them.”

    Didn’t someone on team HP say there was no person they needed to rescue?
    Description only says CHB believes it.

    “Which is the scenario that you have done such a job of trying to ignore.”

    1. Nico senses life around him, realizes there’s no Demigod in Hogwarts. Percy smacks it down to oblivion.
    2. Nico senses life around him, realizes where the Demigod is. Uses shadows to travel to him and get him out in approximately 10 seconds. Percy smacks it down to oblivion.

    Iv addressed this before.

    ” so pooling it together should give you luck for at least 30-60 minutes.”

    yay! they get to survive for an extra hour!
    Assuming they don’t get shot at any zombies with guns, or run into Percy or Nico.

  29. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #329

    @Wingedlion
    “Hold up.
    Where did you get these definitions from?”

    Multiple sites. All from googles first page

    Taking something from someone does NOT always imply keeping it intact.
    Killing someone forexample, takes them from someone else that knew them.

  30. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #330

    It’s a siege. In that particular context, to take would mean to capture… right?

  31. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm -      #331

    “It’s a siege. In that particular context, to take would mean to capture… right?”

    The siege is for rescuing their possibly nonexistent buddy though, not for capturing the castle.
    I see nothing in the match description that suggests they would want to capture the castle without damaging it.

  32. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #332

    “The siege is for rescuing their possibly nonexistent buddy though, not for capturing the castle.
    I see nothing in the match description that suggests they would want to capture the castle without damaging it.”

    Well, if you want to rescue someone a siege isn’t a particularly good idea.

    You set up a siege in order to break into a place, or to starve them of resources so that they give up, You dont siege a place that you want to destroy, undermines the whole point of the siege.

  33. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 10:17 pm -      #333

    If Side A takes Victory, it’s not impossible to see if they can’t rebuild Side B’s Castle to be far grander than it was before in terms of Potential, right?

    Also correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t The Grey/Gray Lady allowed to assist on Side B along with all the other Ghosts of Hogwarts?
    Also if Hermione still has any Time-Turners left, then once the fighting starts, an Hour may be all she’d need to see if she can’t re-group enough Professionals to Travel to the Past and start a plethora of Time-loops.

    Granted there’s an off-chance that Side A may have Seers, Prophets and the like on their side if the Apollo Cabin and maybe the Hecate/Hekate Cabin get to say anything especially.

    So that said, it becomes a case of what TV Tropes calls ‘Scry vs Scry’ where people basically have to Strive to pretty much Psychologically ‘Out-everything’ each other in what amounts to What TV Tropes also brands ‘Xanatos Speed Chess’ for good measure.

    Which in turn takes the planning for both sides up several notches to skyrocket and puts the match in Serial Escalation.

    Multiplying Bludgers become more increasingly likelier the longer the fighting gets.

  34. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 10:21 pm -      #334

    “along with all the other Ghosts of Hogwarts?”

    Ghost in Harry Potter can’t do…. anything. I suppose they can be annoying?
    – – –
    “Also if Hermione still has any Time-Turners left,”

    She doesn’t

  35. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 10:22 pm -      #335

    Iv addressed this before.

    And provided no quotes for it. Your one quote was Nico saying “He didn’t die, I would know”.

    That’s nowhere near the same thing as pinpoint detecting life energy in the fashion you’re saying. I’m not saying Nico can’t do it- but you sure as hell didn’t post proof for that claim that I’ve noticed.
    Battle scenario rules over all- and it says “take the castle”

    And I call bullshit on you finding those definitions of “take” on the first page without deliberately looking for it.
    “Taking” by its nature is a form of ownership; you can’t “take” a house you burn to the ground.

    Sure, they could damage the castle, that’s a given. But when your objective is to gain ownership of something, destroying that something is contradictory to your goal.

  36. Neon Lord March 30, 2015 at 10:40 pm -      #336

    ““Harry does NOT have a bottle of it. He gave it to Ron, remember?””

    They’re talking about the entire cauldron Slughorn had.

    If the scenario was a sci-fi match where forces were trying to ‘take’ a planet, that means they don’t just Exterminatus the place. Same thing here.

  37. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 10:44 pm -      #337

    “They’re talking about the entire cauldron Slughorn had.”

    Didn’t he empty that? At the end of the class?

  38. JMT March 31, 2015 at 12:48 am -      #338

    Beginning of Book 6 I thought was implied. Hogwarts gets 4 hours prep.

  39. Neon Lord March 31, 2015 at 3:26 am -      #339

    “Didn’t he empty that? At the end of the class?”

    Now THAT would be truly idiotic.

    I dunno lol. I don’t think so.

  40. Ragnorke March 31, 2015 at 4:01 am -      #340

    @Friendly
    “And I call bullshit on you finding those definitions of “take” on the first page without deliberately looking for it.”

    www.google.ae/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=definition%20of%20take
    Literally just search “definition of take”

    See the first 2 that come up on the google front page?
    1. lay hold of (something) with one’s hands; reach for and hold.
    2. remove (someone or something) from a particular place.

    “without deliberately looking for it.”

    Of course i was deliberately looking for it. Take has more meanings than “i took the pen from him”

    ““Taking” by its nature is a form of ownership; ”

    No, it isn’t.
    That’s ONE of its many definitions.

    “you can’t “take” a house you burn to the ground.”

    Burning a house means “taking” it from its owner.
    Are you trying to deny official definitions right now…?

    ” But when your objective is to gain ownership of something, destroying that something is contradictory to your goal.”

    YOU think the objective is ownership. NO WHERE in the match scenario does it imply or suggest that the goal is ownership of the castle.

  41. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 7:11 am -      #341

    “Now THAT would be truly idiotic.”

    Which would be consistent with the lore, yes.

  42. wingedlion March 31, 2015 at 7:46 am -      #342

    “See the first 2 that come up on the google front page?
    1. lay hold of (something) with one’s hands; reach for and hold.
    2. remove (someone or something) from a particular place.”

    Well that’s odd. I did not get that second definition.
    I got this instead:
    1.
    lay hold of (something) with one’s hands; reach for and hold.
    2.
    carry or bring with one; convey.

  43. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 7:51 am -      #343

    1. lay hold of (something) with one’s hands; reach for and hold.
    2. remove (someone or something) from a particular place.

    Funny, know what it says in the lines after that number 2 from your exact fucking search?
    “”he took an envelope from his inside pocket”
    synonyms: remove, pull, draw, withdraw, extract, fish;”
    In order words; “ownership”, not destruction. That’s from your exact link; stop trying to misinterpret shit just to further your little boner for Percy wave.

    It’s so stupid how you have to spell out scenarios in perfect English or else someone will misinterpret it so he can exploit the wording.

  44. batman3.14 March 31, 2015 at 8:30 am -      #344

    Can we clear things up? Does Hogwarts have or not have the felix felices and can or cannot they use the refillling charm on it.

    I am going to agree with friendlysociopath on this one- you “take” something if you want to achieve ownership of it. Look at it this way- when you take someone’s apple you never destroy it or smash it into a pulp while taking it- that way you can’t eat it (This isn’t the best analogy in the world as I am sure Ragnorke will exploit but I think the message gets through).

    Remember, though, that even though CHB is outnumbered by the many students and teachers in Hogwarts, many of them are first, second, who are basically useless. There are different power levels for each student. Knowing the Hogwarts staff, I don’t think they would let the young children fight (1st, second, third?). That would leave much less “numbers” for CHB to fight through.

  45. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 8:35 am -      #345

    “Can we clear things up? Does Hogwarts have or not have the felix felices and can or cannot they use the refillling charm on it.”

    Well, it’s the start of the 6th book. Depending on how you want to interoperate “Beginning” If as it would be reasonable to assume, that means the start of the school year, then they have a cauldron full of Felix Felices, Polyjuice potion, Love potion and a draft of deadly sleep IIRC, If you want to say literally at the start of the 6th book, then they don’t have a potions teacher. Or any of the students, who are at home.

    They have 4 hours prep time, And a cauldron full of liquid luck. Start of the match, every one gets luck (if you know what I mean) and all 1000 students start randomly firing hexs into the Half bloods, and by sheer luck, every spell hits.

    Some of that 4 hours would have to be dedicated to teaching the first years basic hexs, but they are super lucky, they could pick them up super easy.

  46. Jake_Uzumaki March 31, 2015 at 11:04 am -      #346

    Not to be a stick in the mud but…again, aren’t we way past the 50 post rule at this stage?

  47. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 11:09 am -      #347

    ….How does luck factor into a person’s learning ability?
    ——
    And why would the spells be affected by the FF potion? It’s the person that’s chugga lugging, not the spell.
    —–
    The Half-Bloods will still be able to dodge the spells.

  48. Ragnorke March 31, 2015 at 11:14 am -      #348

    @Wingedlion
    “Well that’s odd. I did not get that second definition.”

    Really…? I could take a screenshot if you like

    @Friendly
    “Funny, know what it says in the lines after that number 2 from your exact fucking search?
    “”he took an envelope from his inside pocket”
    synonyms: remove, pull, draw, withdraw, extract, fish;”
    In order words; “ownership”, not destruction.”

    No, it doesn’t just mean ownership. I have no idea why you keep insisting that’s the only interpretation.
    The first synonym for example, “Removing” is not limited to just Ownership either.

    Look, I’v already proved “Take” CAN have a destructive interpretation. In flawless fucking English.
    And therefor i want the OP to clarify, rather than you pretending you know his intent with perfect knowledge.

    “It’s so stupid how you have to spell out scenarios in perfect English or else someone will misinterpret it so he can exploit the wording.”

    I’m not exploiting the wording, i GENUINELY do not think he meant take over the literal castle.
    I still see the “Can the Camp take the castle, how long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?”
    As “Can CHB beat Hogwarts? How long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?”

    Notice how the word “Camp” was used instead of its actual title “Camp Half Blood”.
    Well i similarly see “Castle” as just a synonym to Team Hogwarts.
    Forexample: Can Mohammed Ali take Mike Tyson? How long would it take?
    ^ See? That’s a pretty common use of the word, whether you want to admit it or not.

    Even after OP re-explained his scenario in the comments (Twice i think) he never once mentioned or even suggested CHB wanting to possess/take-over the castle.
    And nothing in the match scenario suggests it either aside form the one word which can be interpreted differently.
    If he really did intend that, i’d like him to say so.

  49. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 11:23 am -      #349

    “….How does luck factor into a person’s learning ability?”

    While under the effects of the potion harry was able to pull off a spell he had never been able to pull off before. It made him better at casting, or more likely to get it right, doesnt really matter

    The potion also managed to get it so that people would enter the gryfindor dormitory right when he needed it too, get his crush and her boyfirend to have a relationship ending argument, Make the staff forget to lock the front door, and gave harry the impulse to meet a teacher at the green houses when he had no idea that teacher would be there. And also casued spells to be incorrectly aimed at the people under the potions effects.
    – – –
    “And why would the spells be affected by the FF potion?”

    not what i meant, They can just shoot spells blindly and the luck potion will generally ensure that their aim was so, that they hit, and that any number of things happen so that the halfbloods are hit.
    – – –
    “The Half-Bloods will still be able to dodge the spells.”

    They will have a much lower chance of dodging the spells that are beams, since there isn’t really a way for them to dodge the other ones.

    The potion clearly has some kind of effect on what actions other people take. To some minor degree.

  50. Jake_Uzumaki March 31, 2015 at 11:36 am -      #350

    The thing is, during the battle of Hogwarts outside of very few isolated incidents the majority of the spells being thrown by the Hogwarts side were described as Stun spells. Which definitely won’t have quite the same effect on a Demigod that it did on the much squishier Death Eaters. Said Death Eaters that were stated to outnumber the combat capable forces of Hogwarts.

    Also there is no 4 hours of prep since if I’ve read up on it correctly from past debates there’s a rule that says no changes to the OP after the 50th post without Mod and or Admin permission unless everyone agree’s to the change and

  51. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #351

    “The thing is, during the battle of Hogwarts outside of very few isolated incidents the majority of the spells being thrown by the Hogwarts side were described as Stun spells. ”

    Quotes please, Or do you mean on a case by case basis?
    – – –
    “Also there is no 4 hours of prep since if I’ve read up on it correctly from past debates there’s a rule that says no changes to the OP after the 50th post without Mod and or Admin permission unless everyone agree’s to the change and”

    Do you, or anybody else, disagree that hogwarts need preptime? Most people think that this is a stomp for CHB, Are you saying that you are in Favour of keeping this a stomp so that your side can win?

    And if you think that those 4 hours wont do any good, what is the point of denying it?

  52. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 11:40 am -      #352

    “Also there is no 4 hours of prep since if I’ve read up on it correctly from past debates there’s a rule that says no changes to the OP after the 50th post without Mod and or Admin permission unless everyone agree’s to the change and”

    Do you, or anybody else, disagree that hogwarts need preptime? Most people think that this is a stomp for CHB, Are you saying that you are in Favour of keeping this a stomp so that your side can win?

    And if you think that those 4 hours wont do any good, what is the point of denying it?

  53. Ragnorke March 31, 2015 at 11:46 am -      #353

    @Ramkin
    “The potion clearly has some kind of effect on what actions other people take. To some minor degree.”

    No, it really really doesn’t.
    The HP wiki clearly says the potion only influences the user into taking scenarios which are more likely to have better outcomes.

    It isn’t a supernatural force that makes everything in the universe go your way.
    It just makes YOU make better decisions.

    However, even with the best decisions made in every circumstance, it is still possible to lose to someone that simply outscales you too heavily. Not saying that’s the case here though.

  54. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 11:50 am -      #354

    “It just makes YOU make better decisions.”

    Harry’s great plan for getting out of the castle to see Hagrid after dark, was to use the front door, that is a decision that he made under the effects of the potion. And on this particular day the front door just happened to be unlocked. There is no way out to see Hagrid if the door was locked.

    So according to you if Harry had drunk the potion on any other night then he would never have got Slughorns memory, never learned about the Horcruxes and subsequently fails to defeat Voldermort, As far as I can tell, that is a case for the potion effecting luck backward through time.

  55. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 11:51 am -      #355

    Right, let’s go over this step by step.

    ….How does luck factor into a person’s learning ability?

    Are you good at learning math? No? Here, have some Felix- you’ll be good at learning math for the next few hours. Not saying the knowledge will stick, but you’ll be very good at the learning bit.

    And why would the spells be affected by the FF potion? It’s the person that’s chugga lugging, not the spell.

    This is entirely true, though not anyone’s point. However, if it was a spell or technique the person wasn’t fully proficient in, they would luck their way through it, see below.

    The Half-Bloods will still be able to dodge the spells.

    No they won’t, Felix ensures everything you do succeeds while you’re under the influence. Yes, this is a NLF but it’s a potion that makes you succeed, I don’t really see a way to measure that beyond “yes” or “no”.

    Let’s look over the things we know this reality warping potion helps you with:
    1) Gives you precog so you know exactly what to do to achieve your goal
    Example: Harry’s goal was to get Slughorn’s memory, but under the influence of the potion- he knew going to Hagrid’s was the best way to achieve this; he in no way knew Slughorn was even out there.
    2) Warps reality to accommodate you reaching that goal
    Example: Doors were unlocked, monsters died, and people were conveniently exactly where they needed to be to benefit Harry- even in cases he wasn’t thinking about or even intending. (Ginny and Dean, Lavender and Ron)
    3) Gives the user the best of their potential
    Example: Harry without the potion was not able to consistently able to pull off the nonverbal spells. But with it he succeeded easily. Likewise he knew exactly what to say to convince Slughorn, something he had not been able to do prior.
    4) Protects the user from harm
    Example: Enemy attacks, both aimed deliberately and accidentally due to reflection, and even neutral forces like the ceiling falling will simply not strike the characters do to “luck”.

  56. Jake_Uzumaki March 31, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #356

    @LadyRamkin
    I’m saying I reread the battle sections and every time the spells are described being thrown between people its described as stun spells and killing curses. Outside of McGonagall and Flitwick enchanting objects to fight for them, Trewlawny enchanting crystal balls, or people throwing killer plants at the Death Eaters.

    No I’m saying we can’t just throw out an arbitrary number, it actually has to be an agreed upon number. No one agreed to 4 hours it was just randomly dropped out there.
    And considering how they acted in book seven the most likely course of action the school will take is evacuate everyone below 5th year first because its too dangerous for them. So there’s close to an hour or more of time spent just to get all the students organized and explain to them whats happening, and then whatever time it takes to get the noncombatants evacuated. And the rest of the time getting the school ready for siege. Which is exactly what they did when Voldemort’s forces gave them a few hours to either hand Harry over or face battle. A similar situation to the one here. I see no reason to think they won’t still react the same way.

  57. Jake_Uzumaki March 31, 2015 at 11:59 am -      #357

    “No they won’t, Felix ensures everything you do succeeds while you’re under the influence. Yes, this is a NLF but it’s a potion that makes you succeed”

    No it increases your chances of success proportinal to the chance you actually have of succeeding. If Harry drank it and tried to hit the Flash with a Stun Spell do you really think it would help in the least? Or are you saying Flash’s legs would suddenly shatter under his own weight?
    It’s a NLF that has no backing just like AK being unblockable has no backing. It’s BS to call it infalliable when its made by dumbasses who never see what the limit of something is.

  58. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 12:00 pm -      #358

    “I see no reason to think they won’t still react the same way.”-

    According to Ragnorke, scenario overrides CIS. The Scenario is to defend Hogwarts, The CIS is to send the younger students away. When they could be put to use fighting, If you are Gonna say that they would definitly send their younger students away regardless of scenario, then i am going to say that Percy and nico will both stop the attack on the castle to help out the weaker Demigods.

  59. Ragnorke March 31, 2015 at 12:04 pm -      #359

    “No they won’t, Felix ensures everything you do succeeds while you’re under the influence. ”

    Ffs STOP wanking the shit out of the potion.

    First things first: “over-reliance on it may lead to dangerous overconfidence, giddiness, and recklessness.”
    You guys DEFINITELY seem to be over-relying on it.

    Then there’s this: “As Hermione pointed out, the potion is not able to better the chances of the drinker against particularly powerful enchantments”
    So it’s still useless against powerful magic.

    And this extremely important bit that you guys keep ignoring: “They have a strong perception of this effect, including a high level of confidence and a “sensation of infinite opportunity.” This is accomplished not through direct application of force or granting the drinker any extraordinary powers, but by inspiring the drinker with a favorable pathway through the circumstances. ”

    It inspires you to take a favorable pathway, whatever that pathway may be. It’ll make YOU make the best decision that you possibly can in that situation, whether you know about it or not.

    But you are STILL limited to your physical stats, since you still live on a physical plane.
    The luck of the potion does not in anyway alter reality or manipulate physics to make you dodge things.
    It just makes YOU (the user) make better decisions on where and when to turn, which makes you better at dodging.
    However, if it is physically impossible for someone at your speed to dodge something of a certain faster speed, then you will not dodge it.

    You people make it sound like a HP wizard with the potion would beat comic characters. Honestly.

    The potion has a near flawless record in the HPverse, which is fine & dandy, but that flawless record is still limited to what it has been tested against… Which is incredibly mediocre shit for the most part.

    Would a shield that has blocked everything in its own universe block everything in any universe?
    That’s literally what a NLF means. So stop scaling luck that way.
    Lucky doesn’t mean unbeatable, since luck needs to scale according to the situation, and there’s no proof of this luck scaling past a certain degree.

  60. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 12:10 pm -      #360

    to say that Percy and nico will both stop the attack on the castle to help out the weaker Demigods.
    —-
    But they could destroy it before any attack on the demigods happens.

  61. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 12:18 pm -      #361

    “First things first: “over-reliance on it may lead to dangerous overconfidence, giddiness, and recklessness.””

    “Overdosing is dangerous, as it is very toxic in large quantity, and over-reliance on it may lead to dangerous overconfidence, giddiness, and recklessness.”

    We arn’t suggesting anybody overdose, just everybody drink some.
    – – –
    “So it’s still useless against powerful magic.”

    Nobody said that it did make you more resistant to magic…
    – – –
    “But they could destroy it before any attack on the demigods happens.”

    Literally the second the match starts, Percy and Nico would start destroying Hogwarts

    And literally the second the match starts you have a group of wizards, instant transmission into the camp and mind controlling their friends. That is gonna cause some kind of commotion. REALLY quickly.

  62. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 12:18 pm -      #362

    So it’s still useless against powerful magic.

    Yep, the NLF is countered by other NLFs,
    “Cannot enter this room”
    “Darkness that cannot be pierced”
    how about that?

    Ffs STOP wanking the shit out of the potion.

    Then prove it actually doesn’t do exactly what it and the quotes it has says rather than your bullshit version.

    And this extremely important bit that you guys keep ignoring

    You’re using an claim by a fan with no official source or backing as your argument, you see why I find this a stupid reason?

    The luck of the potion does not in anyway alter reality or manipulate physics to make you dodge things.

    No shit, it makes stuff miss. And it absolutely changes reality:
    Aragog conveniently died and was set to be buried on THE DAY Harry drank that potion.
    Slughorn chose THAT DAY to be outside helping the Herbologist.
    Lavender just happened to be there in time to see Ron and Hermione come down the stairs.
    Ginny and Dean just happened to be in Harry’s way as he left.

    Also, are the Order members present or not? They’re actively patrolling the school at this time period.
    Also, BS on Felix taking 6 months to make- Slughorn was invited to teach within a few weeks of school starting and he had Felix ready on the first week or so.

  63. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 12:23 pm -      #363

    This is Hogwarts at the start of the sixth book, So, no order.

  64. Ragnorke March 31, 2015 at 1:46 pm -      #364

    @Friendly
    “Then prove it actually doesn’t do exactly what it and the quotes it has says rather than your bullshit version.”

    You’re asking me to prove that something ISN’T a no limit fallacy?
    No, that’s not how arguments work.

    Ok, lets say a man has a 50% chance to dodge an arrow.
    With the potion he dodges a hundred of them (one at a time) without any issue.

    Now lets say a man has 10% chance to dodge a stun gun.
    With the potion he still dodges a hundred of them (one at a time) without any issue.

    But the man has a 0.01% chance to dodge a bullet.
    Do we still assume he dodges it every time? Just because he successfully dodged the previous slower projectiles without fail?

    How about a light speed object that he would have a 0.0000000000000000001% chance to dodge?
    He still dodges it? Because he’s lucky?
    Obviously not right? Why not?
    Because Luck can’t scale INFINITELY.
    The harder the task gets, the less likely the chance of success, and the MORE luck you need to succeed at it.

    You’re assuming that the luck potion causes you to succeed ANYTHING.
    Which means you’re quite literally scaling the luck to infinity.
    Without a limit.
    SIMPLY because it has yet to fail in its own fiction (which only included slow projectiles)
    That’s exactly what a No Limit Fallacy is, and you’re in denial.

    ” And it absolutely changes reality:
    Aragog conveniently died and was set to be buried on THE DAY Harry drank that potion.
    Slughorn chose THAT DAY to be outside helping the Herbologist.”

    How is that “altering” reality?
    Nothing in reality “changed” to make that happen.
    Nothing in the laws of physics changed.
    He just got “lucky”

    However, if someone were to shoot you, with a gun, your changes of survival are literally too little for any amount of luck to change that.
    UNLESS you think the “luck” can cause the laws of physics to change, which is no longer “luck”.
    And the potion has yet to prove the ability to do that.

    “Lavender just happened to be there in time to see Ron and Hermione come down the stairs.
    Ginny and Dean just happened to be in Harry’s way as he left.”

    You’re looking at it all wrong.
    The people weren’t there because Harry was going that way.
    But rather Harry went that way BECAUSE those opportunities were there.

    Reality didn’t make it so that those people chose to do something they otherwise wouldn’t have been doing.
    Reality just made HARRY go down that way, so he would have the opportunity to do those things.

    The potion doesn’t effect those around you. It effects YOU.
    And it makes YOU do the best things possible for YOU.
    Whether those things are in your knowledge or not.
    So yea, to some degree, it offers an epic pre-cog effect, that makes you do things you wouldn’t even know or think of.

    But it DOESN’T make other people do things they otherwise wouldn’t be doing, unless YOU manipulate them into doing it.

    “Also, BS on Felix taking 6 months to make- Slughorn was invited to teach within a few weeks of school starting and he had Felix ready on the first week or so.”

    …How do you know he didn’t already have it stored somewhere being prepared?

  65. Ragnorke March 31, 2015 at 1:50 pm -      #365

    @Ramkin
    “And literally the second the match starts you have a group of wizards, instant transmission into the camp and mind controlling their friends. That is gonna cause some kind of commotion. REALLY quickly.”

    Did you miss the part of Wizards not being able to apparate out of Hogwarts?
    How would they instant transmission into the camp?

    Also, it wouldn’t be “instant” considering… Well.. It would take time.

    Also, So what if they eventually teleport into the camp?
    Percy would just do the same to the camp that he did to Hogwarts.
    Or Nico would just do it.
    I see no issue here whatsoever.

  66. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 4:09 pm -      #366

    He just got “lucky”

    Yes, changing probability is reality warping, ask one of the Dr Who fanatics and they’ll spend a few days telling you about it.

    However, if someone were to shoot you, with a gun, your changes of survival are literally too little for any amount of luck to change that.

    Good lord, it’s like you’re not listening on purpose- people miss.
    Not every bullet, punch, slash or attack in general will always strike an opponent. Felix makes it so they miss, you don’t dodge- it just doesn’t hit you. Yes, this is changing the rules of probability- AKA “luck” which is reality warping.
    This is EXACTLY what the potion does by quotes from the book- which trumps a fan writing about their interpretation of what it does with 0 sources to back it up.

    Did you miss the part of Wizards not being able to apparate out of Hogwarts?
    How would they instant transmission into the camp?


    By turning the “no apparation” spell off? Which has been done for the apparation tests already so we know it’s literally that easy.
    Also, I still see no reason why they can’t just make a Portkey to teleport elsewhere. No matter how you spin it- it’s literally as easy as picking an object and saying the spell.

    Percy would just do the same to the camp that he did to Hogwarts.
    Or Nico would just do it.
    I see no issue here whatsoever.


    Right, Percy will just off everyone in the camp that he’s close friends and allies with- because that totally make sense.
    Seriously, that was just a stupid thing to say- do we really have to ask admin to make an official rule of “No team killing” to BankGambling?
    (That was part joke and part totally serious, I think that needs to be a rule for how often it comes up in group combat)

    …How do you know he didn’t already have it stored somewhere being prepared?

    Because:
    1) He was on the run for months, he had almost nothing- which is why he was breaking into rich people houses
    2) If he really thought he was in danger, he would’ve used it if he had it as it would then save his ass
    3) He actually was against the idea of being the teacher until he met Harry
    4) He made the potion to impress the class- meaning he did it between the time he decided to take the job and the time he showed it to them; which is nowhere near 6 months

    Right, need to establish some sort of order here:
    Firstly, I want quotes for three things:
    Nico sensing life energy in the fashion you keep saying he can
    Nico calling up warriors that fight instantly without any orders
    and this “Percy can see through illusions” stuff. Because we all know for a fact he cannot see through Annabeth’s cap; which is invisibility.

  67. Commander Cross March 31, 2015 at 4:14 pm -      #367

    @Ragnorke and LadyRamkin

    While I multi-task like a Lunatic and see if there’s gadgets or ideas no one brought up yet, anyone mind enlightening me by Checking out Ryoko vs Nappa in the meantime?

    Now where were we, speaking of Tenchi Muyo, if Side B’s modern-day times had been closer to the Jurai Empire in terms of intelligence as a general rule of thumb, it’s highly possible they wouldn’t be trapped in many a bad situation to begin with.

    Did no one ask about whether or not either side have Active Seers to worry about?

    I recalled Halcyon Green(an Apollo kid and the Original Owner of Annabeth’s obvious CQC weapon in that Celestial Bronze Knife/Dagger she’s kept with her.) and if he’s allowed, I’m quite sure we’d then have to figure out whom on Side B would be able to counter him as well.

    Also, anyone mind checking out Post #262 of the previous page so we can further analyze the upcoming plans for both sides so far?

    Also I’m quite sure that again, the Finest Combat Tactics both sides can offer may allow them to live through this day as well.

    Wonder how much Combative Knowledge was lost to Side B’s World in Modern-day Times as opposed to the more Medieval Times by chance, not too many Innovators in Britain lately. T_T

  68. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 4:36 pm -      #368

    Nico calling up warriors that fight instantly without any orders:

    Nico drew his sword-three feet if wicked sharp Stygian Iron, black as a nightmare. “I don’t agree.”
    The ground rumbled. Cracks appeared in the road, the sidewalks, the buildings. Skeletal hands grasped the air as the dead crawled their way into the world if the living. There were thousands of them.

    -Last Olympian p. 315
    —-
    Nico let loose a guttural scream. The ground at his feet split open and skeletons crawled forth.
    -House of Hades p. 289
    —–
    Nico sensing life energy in the fashion he can:

    “You sense something?”
    “Percy is close to the Doors,” Nico said. “He’ll need us if he’s going to make it through alive.”

    House of Hades p. 427
    —-
    “Rachel,” Nico said. “your life aura almost faded. I could see you dying.”
    Last Olympian p. 367
    —–
    Nico shuffled over, leaning on his black sword.
    “Leo, they’re not dead. If they were, I could feel it.”

    -Mark of Athena p. 571

  69. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm -      #369

    Nico does it again:

    [Nico] took a deep breath and held out his black sword. “Serve me,” he called. The earth trembled. A fissure opened in front of the dracaenae, and a
    dozen undead warriors crawled from the earth—horrible corpses in military uniforms from all different time periods—U.S. Revolutionaries, Roman centurions, Napoleonic cavalry on skeletal horses. As one, they drew their swords and engaged the dracaenae.

    -Battle of the Labryinth p. 302

  70. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 5:01 pm -      #370

    Percy sees through magical illusions:

    It was sitting at a crossroads between the petting zoo and the sea otter pond: a large golden and red chariot tethered to four black horses.
    ……
    I guess the Mist must’ve been really strong around it, because the chariots only camouflage was a handwritten note taped to one of the horses’ chests that said:
    “OFFICIAL ZOO VEHICLE”.

    -Demigod Files p. 19
    ——

    During third grade, a man in a black trench coat had stalked me on the playground. When the teachers threatened to call the police, he went away growling, but no one believed me when I told them that under his broad-brimmed hat, the man only had one eye, right in the middle of his head.

    -(Lightning Thief ch3.112-113)
    —–
    The train was full of tourists ohhing and ahhing and snapping pictures, but Percy was sorry they couldn’t see the Hyperboreans. They were missing the really good shots.
    -Son of Neptune p. 407

  71. Epicazeroth March 31, 2015 at 5:02 pm -      #371

    @Friendly: “Yes, changing probability is reality warping”
    Wait, this is under debate? Isn’t that literally the definition of reality warping?

    “Nico sensing life energy in the fashion you keep saying he can”
    “Rachel,” Nico said, “your life aura almost faded completely. I could see you dying.” – The Last Olympian

    “Nico calling up warriors that fight instantly without any orders”
    Also a feat for limited Geokinesis.
    The earth trembled. A fissure opened in front of the dracaenae, and a dozen undead warriors crawled from the earth—horrible corpses in military uniforms from all different time periods—U.S. Revolutionaries, Roman centurions, Napoleonic cavalry on skeletal horses. As one, they drew their swords and engaged the dracaenae. – The Battle of the Labyrinth

    All from this respect thread for Nico. There’s a lot more there, too.
    www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2wtzs9/respect_nico_di_angelo_son_of_hades/
    =
    But Percy cannot see through all illusions. It’s established that sometimes even demigods can’t see through the Mist. IIRC it’s even harder if it’s being shaped on purpose; for example by Thalia or Hazel.

  72. Commander Cross March 31, 2015 at 5:13 pm -      #372

    @FriendlySociopath and Nsl98

    I got another CHB-related fight idea if neither of you would mind having a look at the following Link here, what’d say you in regards to the CHB Tag Team to get picked when the both of you drop by that link and say ‘hello’ in there?

    To be honest, some help would be needed to sort out the locations and whatnot, to begin with, among a few other things before it’s set to green-light.

  73. Jake_Uzumaki March 31, 2015 at 5:15 pm -      #373

    @Epic
    what’s being debated is the nature of the luck potion, and if the unreliable don’t really know what their talking about with a lot of their haxer abilities wizards are a reliable source for what the full extent of the potion is.

  74. Epicazeroth March 31, 2015 at 5:22 pm -      #374

    @Nsl: Demigods can always see through natural Mist (though, technically Hecate is in charge of it). When Hazel uses Mist, it fools demigods (and gods). The Labyrinth also has strong enough Mist to trick everyone except R.E.D. Which, BTW, is the best name ever.

    Also, it would seem that the stronger something is magically, the stronger the Mist is around it. As I mentioned earlier, the Labyrinth is full of Mist that works on everything. And Typhon is surrounded by Mist so strong, demigods go mad if they try to see his True Form.

  75. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 5:24 pm -      #375

    @Epic
    It’s still a magical illusion, right? Percy has demonstrated that if he conscentrates, he can see through the mist.
    —-
    @Cross
    Do I have to make an account on the Topia? Or can I use my FP one?

  76. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #376

    “How would they instant transmission into the camp?”

    Portkeys dont seem to be blocked by the spells around Hogwarts as of book 5 and the OP doesnt say they are blocked
    – – –
    “Also, it wouldn’t be “instant” considering… Well.. It would take time.”

    Well, they disappear, and then reappear somewhere else. There is never any indication of travel time….. Afaik
    – – –
    “Also, So what if they eventually teleport into the camp?”
    Instantly teleport to the camp
    – – –
    “Percy would just do the same to the camp that he did to Hogwarts.
    Or Nico would just do it.”

    Percy would destroy the entire camp filled with his friends????????? okay……. If you are really going to say that then you arnt actually debating Percy are you. You are debating a character with all the abilities of Percy.
    – – –
    Really should finish reading the posts before i comment, stoopid ninjas

  77. Commander Cross March 31, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #377

    @Nsl98 at #375

    A very good question, but just in case you may have to join the Topia itself if the latter don’t help.

    Just in case, mention that ‘Commander Cross and LadyRamkin sent you’ and it’ll be fine.

    If I recall right, FriendlySociopath is already at the Topia so far regarding on signing up.

    As for the fighting at hand, did anyone recall the Passive Abilities of The Ta’veren from The Wheel of Time by chance(Rand al’Thor, Mat Cauthion and Perrin Aybara) and how a lot of Projectiles have trouble hitting any of the 3?
    I can’t recall how much of it stems from being Ta’veren and how much of it stems from everything else, but in principle the Felix Felicis stuff is meant to allow the user(s) to temporarily operate on a near-identical principle as Ta’veren abilities would allow for a limited time as long as the effects last.

    I’m quite sure the Councilor Aelfinn would know of what I’d speak whenever I mention The Ta’veren actually.

    I’ve often noted Pseudo-Ta’veren tendencies for a reason since those effects are meant to be Temporarily in play as long as the stuff lasts, I’ve always tended to note on it whenever I’d mention the Felix Felicis stuff in Major Campaigns especially.

    Also, how many people in Hogwarts’ walls would know how to possess people in the same sort of Manner we’d know Voldemort can do?
    There’s a bloody good difference between the Imperius Curse and flat-out Possession of someone the last time I checked.
    Also I’m quite sure Piper has Experience against Possessors of the kind Voldemort happened to be, the last time I checked but how many others in Side B do we know can Possess people?
    Possession wasn’t such a problem during the Times of the Knights of The Round Table either, the last time I checked and The Blessings of (The Original) Merlin made bloody sure it wasn’t such a horrible problem to begin with.

    Perhaps the Multi-Vitamins may defend against Possession like what Side B might do if the Multi-Vitamins are in play for Side A.

  78. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 5:35 pm -      #378

    Well, from what I read of that link before it kept repeatedly refreshing and crashing, you want a Kite and Haseo fight.
    —-
    Given I know nothing about Dot Hack, don’t know how useful I’ll be there, but some characters I’ll suggest:

    Makuta Teridax (Bionicle)
    MoS Supes
    Jackie Chan (Cartoon)
    Sora or Riku

  79. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #379

    “Demigods can always see through natural Mist”

    Percy had no idea that Tyson was a Cyclops…. for like…. an entire school year….

  80. KalaDellexe March 31, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #380

    Speaking of Mist, even if Thalia isn’t here (which she totally is), there are several other campers at CHB who have some control over the Mist (though iirc Thalia was able to control the Mist more easily than the others). They’d be able to make the regular-mortal-wizards see a whole variety of things besides what’s actually there. Shenanigans ensue.

    Even if no one is actively trying to manipulate the Mist, the poor mortals are going to see things differently anyways. Bows and arrows might look like guns to them, swords like baseball bats, pegasi like birds, etc.

  81. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 5:42 pm -      #381

    @Ramkin
    He was 13….and still pretty clueless about the world he lived in, monsters, his powers. Plus, he wasn’t even looking for monsters. Like, why would he have any reason to suspect Tyson?

    And notice, once he conscentrated, he saw through Tyson’s illusion.

    Cut the boy some slack, yo.

  82. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #382

    “Cut the boy some slack, yo.”

    Well, considering alot of people on here give him way, WAY too much slack, having people that keep it reeled in helps to find the middle (and generally more accurate) ground

    Also, you would have to make mist elementally compatible with Harry Potter magic in order to apply the “see through magical illusions feat”. But im pretty sure that Percy’s verse already has magic to be compatible with.
    – – –
    “And notice, once he conscentrated, he saw through Tyson’s illusion.”

    He first had to be made aware that there was anything he needed to concentrate on though

  83. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 5:50 pm -      #383

    Nico calling up warriors that fight instantly without any orders:

    All of those quotes indicate both a time before the dead show up and then them not attacking “instantly”
    So no- they don’t get to shoot guns immediately, not even close. There’s a very clear summon time for Nico to call them, a delay while they show up, and then they attack. In that amount of time, Nico is stoned, frozen, paralyzed, or any other number of things that he can’t dodge.

    Speaking of Mist

    Why is anyone speaking about something that isn’t here? Mist comes from a certain Goddess (Hecate) that isn’t present in this scenario.

    It’s still a magical illusion, right? Percy has demonstrated that if he conscentrates, he can see through the mist.

    This evidently does not apply to invisibility. And he’s pretty weak to it at most points of the series; not just Tyson.

    Oh btw, in regards to Potter canon- it works like this:
    Books
    Movies
    Everything else
    and everything is canon so long as it does not conflict with higher sources.

  84. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 5:53 pm -      #384

    Eh, you asked for quotes of him seeing through magical illusions, which the Mist is. And he has.

  85. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 5:57 pm -      #385

    He first had to be made aware that there was anything he needed to concentrate on though
    —–
    So, what? He had no reason to suspect of a magical illusion, he was still green at the time, and as he got older, their were more and more times that he saw through the Mist then he was fooled.
    —-
    I mean, he could even do it when he was a toddler, the beginning of Sea of Monsters was most likely PIS, just so it could have Annabeth and Tyson have conflict later on.

  86. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 5:59 pm -      #386

    Eh, you asked for quotes of him seeing through magical illusions, which the Mist is. And he has.

    Well yeah, I need quotes to analyze how the feats work. He can see through illusions when he knows they’re there and he concentrates on it. He rarely gets to see through them first try without some warning.
    And he never sees through Annabeth’s hat- so yes, invisibility spells should be fine and fully effective against him.

    Oh, and I don’t believe you need a new account for the Topia. I don’t remember tbh, I made an account and didn’t log in for a long-ass time.

    @Ramkin
    Fear the ninja

  87. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 6:00 pm -      #387

    Annabeth, has….had a that that made her invisible. He couldn’t see though that. Not even a little teeny bit.

  88. KalaDellexe March 31, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #388

    “Why is anyone speaking about something that isn’t here? Mist comes from a certain Goddess (Hecate) that isn’t present in this scenario.”

    Why wouldn’t it be present? Other people besides Hecate can control the Mist, she just makes it so that it covers up things the Mortals shouldn’t see.
    Unless of course every time someone besides Hecate uses the Mist they have to have their actions approved by Hecate first, which I highly doubt considering that’s never mentioned.
    Also, beings that are hostile to Hecate/she’s hostile to demonstrate an ability over the Mist that gives them an advantage. You’re saying that Hecate allows her enemies to use the Mist when she could very easily not allow them to use it? How does that make sense?

  89. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 6:07 pm -      #389

    Wait, what? We were talking about invisibility spells? Thought we were talking about illusions…
    —–
    Yeah, @Rag, Percy’s girlfriend has an invisibility hat that she’s used multiple times to sneak up on him. He shouldn’t be able to see the Wizard spells.
    —–
    But, really, the moment the fight starts, the thousands of zombie fodder are there, Hogwarts gets destroyed, and the Wizards that teleported to the camp would get overwhelmed.

  90. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 6:09 pm -      #390

    “Wait, what? We were talking about invisibility spells? Thought we were talking about illusions…”

    As far as im aware the arnt any wizard spells that make illusions….. depending on how you want to define illusions…

    “and the Wizards that teleported to the camp would get overwhelmed.”

    The invisible wizards that the demigods can’t see, that are systematically brainwashing the entirety of CHB and making them all fight each other. Even if Hogwarts is destroyed CHB forces can’t take it if they all kill each other.

    Unless you are saying that the moment the castle is destroyed a win is instantly declared?

    In which case, CHB win but take 100% casualties.

  91. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #391

    @Ramkin
    Yeah, that means the Demigods have “taken” the castle.
    —-
    Their base would till be there, while the enemies would have no where to go. Match objective complete, which was to take the castle.

  92. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 6:16 pm -      #392

    “Yeah, that means the Demigods have “taken” the castle.”

    Only if you want to push a total bullshit and out of context definition for take, in this circumstance.

  93. KalaDellexe March 31, 2015 at 6:17 pm -      #393

    Also, in regards to the whole “take the castle” thing, I’m pretty sure that that doesn’t mean they have to deal no damage to the structure itself. Otherwise every time in history or stories when people assaulted a fort by throwing rocks at it until the walls came down they weren’t really “taking” the fort…

  94. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 6:21 pm -      #394

    Captain: Sir, we believe the enemy has one of our men locked away in their capital city.

    General: Fine, take the capital

    Bout an hour later

    Captain: Sir mission accomplished

    General: Already? *disbelief*, how did you do it?

    Captain: Nuked it sir, 36 times.

    General: WTF?, Why would you do that?!?

    Captain: Well you see sir, I went on Google and one of the definitions of ‘take’ that I found was ‘To destroy’

    General: …….. You are a fucking idiot.

  95. Nsl98 March 31, 2015 at 6:25 pm -      #395

    @Ramkin
    Lol. But, I’m in agreement with Rag here.
    —-
    Can the Camp take the castle, how long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?
    —-
    1. They can take it. Through destruction
    2. It takes like, about a minute or two
    3. There are no losses for Team 1, whereas Team 2 gets majorly screwed over.
    —–
    And Nico’s life sense shows that there is no demigod, so Percy and/or him can just wipe out the castle with no fear of killing the nonexistent target.

  96. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #396

    “1. They can take it. Through destruction”

    Even though that is completely out of the context of the situation. If you siege somthing and the attempt to “take” it, you are attempting to occupy that place.

    “3. There are no losses for Team 1, whereas Team 2 gets majorly screwed over.”

    During the minuet or 2 that it takes to destroy Hogwart’s All of the Halfbloods have killed each other. And depending on whether or not they get that prep time the OP wanted them to have they also take zero casualties.

  97. KalaDellexe March 31, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #397

    “Captain: Sir, we believe the enemy has one of our men locked away in their capital city.

    General: Fine, take the capital

    Bout an hour later

    Captain: Sir mission accomplished

    General: Already? *disbelief*, how did you do it?

    Captain: Nuked it sir, 36 times.

    General: WTF, Why would you do that

    Captain: Well you see sir, I went on Google and one of the definitions of take that I found was ‘To destroy’

    General: …….. You are a fucking idiot.”


    Or, you know, he and Hazel combine their life-sense and figure out the location of the hostage, then Nico Shadow-travels in and grabs the hostage, then Shadow-travels out. Then he and Percy proceed to collapse the castle.
    Or he and Hazel combine their Life-sense and find out that there is no hostage, and then he and Percy proceed to collapse the castle.
    Or Jason flies him/her out, or Percy fills the castle with water and swims him/her out, or they have Festus the dragon break open the side of the castle to fly him/her out, or the flying siege boat blows open the side of the castle to fly him/her out. Or they have a team of Pegasi riders fly him/her out.
    They don’t have to do a grueling, inch by inch siege battle to break through to the hostage. They have several ways to get the hostage out with committing to a large-scale attack. They also have both Nico and Hazel to determine whether or not there even IS a hostage.

  98. Friendlysociopath March 31, 2015 at 6:33 pm -      #398

    1. They can take it. Through destruction

    That’s not taking it under any definition of the word. Even Rag’s exact link that he used has our definition underneath it.

    2. It takes like, about a minute or two

    Under exactly what scenario that isn’t total destruction would the entire castle fall in a minute? That is nothing short of wank that you put no thought into.

    3. There are no losses for Team 1, whereas Team 2 gets majorly screwed over.

    This is so patently untrue I’m affronted at you as a debater.

    There’s some serious downplaying for Hogwarts and massive overselling of CHB forces here.
    There hasn’t been a counter for anything Hogwarts does:
    not invisibility
    not KO spells with no beam to dodge
    not transfiguration
    not freezing in time
    Where as CHB has alternated between “Percy solos” or “Nico solos”. Nico can’t solo shit as the moment he appears someone can teleport to him and KO him while he sits there calling his army.
    And Percy can’t see invisible people; invisibility plus teleport plus spell that has no beam to dodge = win

    Each side can gimp the other in seconds, but only one has a fortune defying liquid they can use to show them the perfect path to victory.

    Then he and Percy proceed to collapse the castle.

    In all of those scenarios not one of the teachers or aurors is going to teleport down and even try to fight back? Oh, boy, that would totally happen.

    They have time freezy spells?

    Several, though the one that comes to mind easiest is Hermiones

  99. LadyRamkin March 31, 2015 at 6:34 pm -      #399

    The fact that Google ahd to be used to find a definition of take that would end this match is 30 seconds is what is ridiculous. The sheer context of the situation dictates that they want to occupy it.

    You dont see the Roman demigods Attempting to simply Blow their training castle to pieces every time they play their bloody games.
    – – –
    “not freezing in time”

    They have time freezy spells?

  100. Commander Cross March 31, 2015 at 6:37 pm -      #400

    No one brought up Will Solace or Alabaster Torrington why as of yet? T_T

    Even Lou Ellen is pretty useful in her own right along with the Gardener girls of Demeter Cabin as well.

    @LadyRamkin at #400

    The Dumbledore Brothers(Albus and Aberforth) have Time-Freezing Spells, Not too sure how commonplace it is for the Staff and Students but it’s there.

    Time-Slowing and Time-Freezing are ‘Basic’ Time-Powers, yet the Dumbledore Brothers are the only ones we’d know who’d got those spells handy.

    Styx-Enhanced folks like Styx-Enhanced Percy or Luke might be fine, but I’m not too sure on anyone else without Multi-Vitamins at hand at the moment.

    The New Romans are Smarter than given credit for and they’re armed with Imperial Gold, which has Easier times bypassing Enemy Magical Defenses than ‘unmodified’ Celestial Bronze usually does the last I checked.

    Still why did no one factor in Will Solace if they actually read The Blood Of Olympus again?

    Also, give the Athena and Ares Cabins the right weapons and Gear, and they’ll be able to attack everywhere the Dumbledore Brothers are NOT located at in the fighting if Side B don’t play it smart.

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