Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts

Camp Half Blood Vs Hogwarts

Suggested by JMT

Camp Half Blood (The Percy Jackson universe) wage war against Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (Harry Potter).

Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces, disregarding allies and gods, but including deceased or traitorous demigods, have reason to believe that one of their own is in Hogwarts, and has laid siege to it, using divine magic to block apparition off the grounds and floo travel. Hogwarts is in Sixth Year, possessing a full-power Dumbledore.

Can the Camp take the castle, how long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?

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406 Comments on "Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts"

  1. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #201

    “Because this is Harry Potter not DBZ”

    Dumbledore would solo DBZ… with preptime.

  2. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #202

    I didn’t mean her physical feats I meant her sorcery, if Artemis’s magic can create a a new constellation then I would think the goddess of magic could do quite a bit more than all of the Harry Potter universe combined twice over.

  3. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 5:06 pm -      #203

    @Friendly
    “Right, so CHB loses by virtue of Percy destroying the person he’s supposed to be saving when he wipes out the castle, that sounds fine to me; apparently Percy is an idiot.”

    So you TOTALLY missed the thing about Nico being able to save.. well… anyone… Before Percy goes Ape Shit on Hogwarts

    “How is this progressing so far? It’s literally unfair, any Hogwarts teacher can incapacitate any CHB warrior with minimal effort.”

    And Percy and/or Nico can destroy castles without having to even take a step in it.
    And they would beat literally anyone from the HPverse in a 1vs1, or probably even in a 1vs100 assuming they engage in a good situation.

    So what’s your point?

    “*Swish goes the wand, oh look, everyone around me was turned into a Ferret*”

    Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!
    Guess what you totally missed?
    Oh, the fact that Percy can kill a hand full of people with his bare hands by the time a wizard from the HPverse would move their wand.
    Also, they need line of sight for pretty much everything.
    Oh..Or… You know… He could kill a dozen people with his water manipulation by the time a wand is raised.
    Boom. Get recked.

    “Apparate while invisible”

    I love how you missed the part of Percy being able to see through magical illusions.

    ” by the time they notice you’re there you’ve KO’d them and can move on. They have literally no defense against this, none.”

    I love how you also missed the fact that Percy and/or Nico can destroy Hogwarts without taking a step inside it.

    “They aren’t immune to magic: we’ve seen them turned to stone, frozen, turned into animals, charmed, and everything else the Wizards can do.”

    You know you else isn’t immune to magic? Most wizards in Hogwarts.
    They die. With water. Or with Percys hands. Or with Nicos shadows. Or with Nicos earth manipulation. Or with Riptide. I can go on for a while.

    “Shield spells block everything CHB can throw at them; ”

    Fuck no.
    Water, Shadow, & Earth manipulation is NOT a spell.
    Elemental Compatibility does not apply.

    “Also, Horace has magic luck. Just give a bit of that to everyone at the start of battle and everything will be okay.”

    I guess you missed how rare it is.
    You’re basically trying to say a rat could beat Superman at this point.

    @Jake
    “Feats of anyone turning multiple targets into something else at the same time or BS.”

    None exist.
    Harry Potter wankage.

    @Ramkin
    “Dumbledore would solo DBZ… with preptime.”

    Caus prep time somehow enhances your reaction & movement speed a thousand fold…
    Seems legit.

  4. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:09 pm -      #204

    “You’re basically trying to say a rat could beat Superman at this point.”

    Actually, it’s more like a tortoise beating a hare.

  5. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #205

    @LadyRamkin at #200

    To be fair that was talking more Scale-wise in terms of the Scale of Circe’s Powers.

    Debatable and depends on the DBZ Era involved, and if it were Gurren Lagann or Tenchi Muyo instead of Dragon Ball Z?
    Let’s not go there, as much as I’d love to see both sides fight Galaxy-to-Universe-Tier+ Cosmic Horrors and WIN actually. T_T;
    Mainly because on principle, Gurren Lagann and Tenchi Muyo are so beyond DBZ’s current capabilities alone it’s not funny.

    Not a single person on DBZ can solo either the TM Multi-verse or Gurren Lagann on a Good day the last time I checked.

    Also correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t Rats and Tortoises have to be Genetically Altered or Augmented enough in some way to beat a given version of Supes?

    So let’s say neither Percy or Nico go and Solo the matter initially, can we focus on Combat Tactics for both sides?

  6. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #206

    Feats of anyone turning multiple targets into something else at the same time or BS.

    Which feat would you like?
    Several cups into birds?
    Thousands of shards of glass into sand?
    Multiple statues being animated at once? (That happens multiple times now that I think about it)
    Multiple (though exact number not stated) people into lice?
    7 people into hedgehogs?
    Multiple sailors into pigs (Yes, Harry verse had a Circe too)
    An entire family was turned into Quintapeds in a feud

    Also feats of any of these so called wizards being as powerful as a star level goddess that transformed Percy?

    Feats for Goddess besides being named a Goddess? We don’t give people extra credit just for having nice titles.

    Water, Shadow, & Earth manipulation is NOT a spell.

    It blocks enemy creatures just ramming into it too- it disintegrates them.

    And Percy and/or Nico can destroy castles without having to even take a step in it.

    Which violates the scenario, it’s a rescue mission. Nobody rescues a person by blowing up the prison.

    I guess you missed how rare it is.

    I guess you forgot Slughorn has an entire cauldron of it. Also, 3 hours of complete and total perfect luck sounds like victory on a platter to me.

    None exist.
    Harry Potter wankage.


    Somebody doesn’t read the extra books.

    “Dumbledore would solo DBZ… with preptime.”

    That… is so not true lol.

  7. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:11 pm -      #207

    “Caus prep time somehow enhances your reaction & movement speed a thousand fold…
    Seems legit.”

    Doesn’t need it. Prep time, makes some felix felicis, Probability bends to make him win.

    Also, i was mostly joking.

  8. Aelfinn March 30, 2015 at 5:17 pm -      #208

    “Also Triwizard cup. Unless Dumbledore knew it was a Portkey?”

    Well, it was supposed to be a portkey, it was just altered to send Harry and Cedric somewhere else.
    =
    =
    @Ragnorke
    “1. He got to that speed within a second or two at most.”

    The quote doesn’t give a whole lot on the measure of time frames. Also, a second or two is enough time for any spell to be cast.
    =
    “2. He would need to slow down considerably to turn, considering he reaches the speed using bursts of water manipulation.”

    Right, which is another time he can be affected by spells.
    =
    “3. As for the corridors and etc, riptide would allow him to just break through anything that comes in his way.”

    Didn’t he destroy that bridge only because he summoned the water underneath it to come rushing out? Not that he couldn’t do the same here, but that also take time.
    =
    “4. Even without water, he fights at speeds that human sight can’t keep up with. And he sees/deflects bullets.”

    That’s rather vague. You can fight at speeds a human can’t keep up with and still leave time for reactions.
    =
    “I have no idea why you’d think his water manipulation is slow…
    It can move at a rate proportionate to his hand movements, which are superhumanly fast.”


    That was one instance, and not nearly as much water as you are suggesting he move from the lake. Also, just because he can move his hands super fast doesn’t mean he was doing so there. Gotta put the extra water-bending oomph behind it.
    =
    =
    “Then, they have Piper force him to live again. Match won.”

    The thing is, there actually isn’t one of CHB’s members in Hogwarts. There’s no one to revive. The “destroy Hogwarts” tactic wouldn’t be executed because they don’t want to kill the person who doesn’t exist.

  9. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 5:20 pm -      #209

    Circe is one of the Olympian gods specifically the secondary goddess of magic, the less magically capable Artemis either made multiple stars brighter from thousands of lightyears away, created multiple stars light years away, or rearranged the stars from multiple light years away. That was the goddess of hunting, and that feat of magic alone makes everything in the harry potter verse look like that drunk magician on the side of the street at Mardi Gras. Logic says a goddess of magic is better at magic than the goddess of hunting.

  10. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 5:24 pm -      #210

    “Well, it was supposed to be a portkey,”

    true but it was meant to work within the bounds of Hogwarts Grounds, ie teleport from one side of the grounds to the other. Not teleport someone several hundred or more kilometers across England

  11. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:30 pm -      #211

    “Well, it was supposed to be a portkey”

    It was??

  12. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 5:33 pm -      #212

    @LadyRamkin
    I think so, it was supposed to just teleport you outside the maze though.

  13. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 5:33 pm -      #213

    Wait, what? They know there is no demigod?
    —-
    Then what’s wrong with Percy or Jason or Nico wiping Hogwarts off the map?

  14. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:35 pm -      #214

    @Jake_Uzumak
    I did not know that, though that would make sense…. then again this is the tri wizard tournament, where 1000 witches and wizards sat and watched a lake for an hour.

  15. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 5:41 pm -      #215

    Also…isn’t Thalia still fully outright immortal unless she wants to die? Because that would be problematic.

  16. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #216

    “Also…isn’t Thalia still fully outright immortal unless she wants to die? Because that would be problematic.”

    She isnt really a member of CHB any more she is a hunter of Artemis.

  17. Aelfinn March 30, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #217

    “Not teleport someone several hundred or more kilometers across England”

    If the spell itself is blocked, not the direct effect of the spell, that could also satisfy every scenario (and it’s Harry Potter, man).

  18. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #218

    @Jake
    Yeah, she’s immortal unless she breaks her vows of maidenhood.

    Plus, peak human stats all around.

    Didn’t she leave CHB to go chill with Artemis, though?

  19. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:45 pm -      #219

    “and it’s Harry Potter, man”

    Harry Freakin’ Potter!
    We don’t prefer Gandalf,
    Merlin, or Oz,
    You’re a whole lot hotter!
    With that lighting scar,
    you’re a superstar to us all!
    If we’re in trouble we know who to call!

  20. Ragnarok March 30, 2015 at 5:47 pm -      #220

    @Ragnorke
    “I would agree with this if he didn’t specifically mention the word SPEED that would make a person pop.
    Not pressure change.”

    I think it Percy means that the SPEED at which he is traveling upwards causes such a rapid change in water pressure that a person would pop. Accelerational forces would not cause a person to pop, but rather compress.

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    She is immortal in the sense that she doesn’t age, but she can still be killed by physical harm like any other.
    Shei

  21. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #221

    @Ragnarok
    Well said.
    – – –
    “Didn’t she leave CHB to go chill with Artemis, though?”

    I already said that sad face

  22. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #222

    @Aelfinn
    well its supposed to stop people from leaving Hogwarts, but true I’m probably over analyzing it.

  23. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #223

    “Didn’t she leave CHB to go chill with Artemis, though?”

    I already said that sad face

  24. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 5:54 pm -      #224

    @Ramkin
    Whelp, that’s like my 5th time I was ninja’d. 🎉

  25. Ragnarok March 30, 2015 at 5:58 pm -      #225

    @Jake_Uzamaki
    I also just want to point out that Circe is not an Olympian, she is a very minor goddess. Despite the fact that Artemis is the goddess of the hunt, she is an Olympian and therefore on a different power level than Circe. I would argue that Circe is the goddess of magic not only because of her magical prowess, but because of her lack of other strengths.

  26. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 5:59 pm -      #226

    I think it Percy means that the SPEED at which he is traveling upwards causes such a rapid change

    Or it just means that that’s how fast he wanted the water to move him. And it worked. He also gave us that nice bit of info that it would’ve killed a normal human.

  27. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #227

    So we’ve got 5 Big Three demigods in play. 2 that can cause small lightning storms over the school and control the wind currents. 1 that can bring forth a hoard of undead soldiers (as in soldiers that are no longer living) and shatter the foundations of the castle. And 1 that can control the lake and cause earthquakes.

  28. Ragnarok March 30, 2015 at 6:03 pm -      #228

    @Nsl98
    Alright, what I said doesn’t contradict anything you wrote there. I’m just saying that this quote doesn’t display that he has the ability to move at such rapid speeds that the acceleration alone would kill.

  29. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:03 pm -      #229

    “So we’ve got 5 Big Three demigods in play”

    “Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces, disregarding allies and gods,”

    Nico, Percy aaaand? Tyson?

    Thalia is a hunter and therefore an ally. Jason is a roman demi god and so is… Hazel?

  30. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #230

    @Ragnarok
    I meant Olympian as in Greek god rather than one of the 12 Olympians. And she is the daughter of Hecate a Titan/god (not sure if its specified in this universe) and Helios a Titan in the Jacksonverse. While she isn’t one of the twelve her pedigree is pretty damn potent.
    Plus in one of the books she’s stated to have “absolute control over magic, if not to quit the same extent as Hecate”

  31. man March 30, 2015 at 6:07 pm -      #231

    Step 1: Put name of heavy hitter into Goblet of Fire.
    .
    Step 2: Activate magical contract.
    .
    Step 3: Break magical contract.
    .
    Step 4: Profit.
    .
    Step 5: Cry as you realize the Goblet is not part of Hogwarts.
    .
    .
    In any case, several hundred broomstick-toting wizards raining death and destruction all over the place, while CHB can’t retaliate because, well, their enemies are really high up.

  32. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:08 pm -      #232

    It says composite Camp Half Blood Forces though and she was a member of Camp Half Blood at one point. And Jason renounced his Roman Status and joined Camp Half Blood.

  33. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:10 pm -      #233

    “composite Camp Half Blood Forces”

    No, it clearly doesnt, it says

    “Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces,”

    “a member of Camp Half Blood at one point”

    For about 2 weeks, she spent 7ish years as a tree, which hardly counts. Current incarnation she is a hunter of Atremis and therefore an ally.

  34. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:11 pm -      #234

    “CHB can’t retaliate because, well, their enemies are really high up.”

    The kid that can make lightning rain from heaven would beg to differ on the can’t retaliate thing

    @LadyRamkin
    Thalia would still be in play then as she’s a Greek demigod that was part of CHB

  35. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 6:14 pm -      #235

    Jason of New Rome himself might be allowed, but someone’s thinking Bianca Di Angelo rather than Hazel Levesque somewhere.
    Bianca was with C.H.B before she bit the dust if I recall correctly.

    That’s a LOT of the Half-Mortal Officers for Half of the Forces of Olympus already in play at the moment still.

    I already have my Mini-Project on-site to do, wish me the best of odds.

    Thalia + Jason + Percy + Nico + Bianca would basically make 5 Children of the 3 sons of Kronos, right there.

    If I were in charge of Side B’s defenses, I’d make dealing with them on my list of priorities and make sure Side A don’t wind up with Magi-technological tools and gear to start using.

  36. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #236

    “Thalia would still be in play then as she’s a Greek demigod that was part of CHB”

    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh, that’s iffy
    – – –
    “Bianca Di Angelo”

    Was never a part of CHB at any point

  37. Ragnarok March 30, 2015 at 6:22 pm -      #237

    @Commander Cross
    I’m pretty sure she joined the Hunters of Artemis before they ever reached CHB. Remember, they are the ones that saved her from the Manticore?

  38. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 6:24 pm -      #238

    @Friendly
    “It blocks enemy creatures just ramming into it too- it disintegrates them.”

    Wait are you talking about the big shield that was put around Hogwarts?

    “Which violates the scenario, it’s a rescue mission. Nobody rescues a person by blowing up the prison.”

    Nico rescues said character in a second, then Percy goes to town. There’s nothing that can really be done about it.
    Not to mention Hogwarts scenario to win means they need to beat everyone in CHB, not just stop them from rescuing the prisoner.
    That’s not going to happen.

    “I guess you forgot Slughorn has an entire cauldron of it. Also, 3 hours of complete and total perfect luck sounds like victory on a platter to me.”

    No such thing as perfect luck.
    Would a rat beat superman with a luck potion?
    It’s basically just trying to apply PiS to a match. Sure it’s canon PiS, but it doesn’t make it any easier to debate.

    “Somebody doesn’t read the extra books.”

    Go ahead and post it..

    @Aelfinn
    “The quote doesn’t give a whole lot on the measure of time frames. Also, a second or two is enough time for any spell to be cast.”

    1. He wasn’t that deep. He reached the speed before leaving the water. It could be calced but i don’t think it’s necessary.
    2. They would be underwater.
    3. Percy can manipulate other water WHILE accelerating to this speed. Meaning intense currents and choking all around. Goodluck aiming?

    “Right, which is another time he can be affected by spells.”

    Caus Wizards are known to casually have superhuman reaction times!
    They can instantly notice a superhumanly fast swimmer while under dark waters flooding a collapsing castle.
    Seems totally reasonable.

    “That’s rather vague. You can fight at speeds a human can’t keep up with and still leave time for reactions.”

    When has a wizard every hit anything that fast with a spell?
    They do tend to miss normal people quite often.
    Also, Percy’s naturally faster in water. Even without needing to manipulate it.

    “Didn’t he destroy that bridge only because he summoned the water underneath it to come rushing out? Not that he couldn’t do the same here, but that also take time.”

    1. It really wouldn’t take time. I still don’t know why you think his water manipulation is slow.
    2. Riptide (the sword) has cut straight through rock with extreme ease before.

    “That was one instance, and not nearly as much water as you are suggesting he move from the lake.”

    Aside from that, i can definitely find other examples of fast water.
    Gimmi a few minutes.

    “The thing is, there actually isn’t one of CHB’s members in Hogwarts. There’s no one to revive. The “destroy Hogwarts” tactic wouldn’t be executed because they don’t want to kill the person who doesn’t exist.”

    Wait… So there is no actual person to rescue?
    You realize they’d figure that out pretty quick right?

    @Ragnarok
    “I think it Percy means that the SPEED at which he is traveling upwards causes such a rapid change in water pressure that a person would pop.”

    OR.. it’s the more straight forward explanation.

    “Accelerational forces would not cause a person to pop, but rather compress.”

    It would result in your organs splitting apart. Which makes you pop.
    Compressing or Stretching both lead to the same result.
    quest.nasa.gov/saturn/qa/new/Effects_of_speed_and_acceleration_on_the_body.txt

  39. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:24 pm -      #239

    Thalia had apparently gone on several missions between books if I remember right, was integrated enough to be a team captain during CHB’s capture the flag, I’d call being a team captain being part of the camp

  40. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 6:26 pm -      #240

    Or it just means that that’s how fast he wanted the water to move him. And it worked. He also gave us that nice bit of info that it would’ve killed a normal human.

    Yes, a human ascending from too deep too quickly will cause them to die due to pressure changes. That sounds much more like “popping a balloon” than just G-Forcce from accelerating. Not to mention it would fit better with his powers than him suddenly breaking the sound barrier by a wide margin while underwater.

    List of magic that seems to work on Demigods:
    Charmspeak
    Curses
    Freezing
    Petrifying
    Memory Manipulation
    Transformation
    All of which Potterverse has spells and feats for, and half aren’t even “beams”.
    And Potterverse has a NLF win button called Felix Felicis. Give Dumbledore that and he literally cannot fail in his endeavors. Reality warps itself to accommodate the potion.

    Canon PIS is still PIS

    I’m unsure of how to deal with that to be honest. That’s literally what the potion does; it’s a universe of NLF magic, I don’t know how people expect to debate it if they’re not willing to compromise.

  41. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #241

    You all realize that Hogwarts still has no counter to Zombies with Guns right?
    And they likely never will get a viable counter to that.
    Since every “spell” or what not that you think of will still lose to a bullet 9/10 times.

    And there’s a near never ending horde of these guys.
    Not to mention every time a Hogwartian is killed, he can be brought back too.

    And the second CHB finds out there’s no one they need to rescue.. Well… This match goes back to being a Roflstomp.
    Although i still see it as a stomp anyways.

    Nico has earthquakes which he used to collapse a mountain fortress.
    Nico controls shadows to hide inside them, move inside them, and kill people with them.

    Honestly lads… Stop beating the dead horse with a stick.

  42. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #242

    Wait, so there is no one to rescue? Wouldn’t Nico realize that pretty quickly due to his sense life forces thing? I feel like there was something about demigod life forces being different from mortal life forces.

  43. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #243

    “Honestly lads… Stop beating the dead horse with a stick.”

    But it’s a magic stick.

  44. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 6:32 pm -      #244

    Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn’t Felix Felicis make anyone go Pseudo-Taver’en if we wanted to take notes from The Wheel of Time by the Late Robert Jordan by chance?

    As asked earlier, Let’s say the Children of the 3 sons of Kronos are ordered to temporarily be kept in Reserve for now, how do we know
    between the Workings of the Ares and Athena Cabins(with some amount of Tactical or Strategic Backings from some Bright minds outside those Cabins) and the Ravenclaw House of Hogwarts(with some backing from some segments of the other 3 Hogwarts Houses) in terms of which one’s more likelier to bring in Sound Combat Tactics and Strategies that leave little room for actual error for that matter?

    Also worth asking, which side has a more generous ratio of having ‘Speed Chessmasters’ for that matter?

    Some things will require the Match Suggester to further clear up, it may be like Crabbe, Goyle and other like-minded folks to start having Hostages but JMT isn’t there for clearing up regards like this.

    Yet Side B didn’t bother to think about having to make use of Bludgers as makeshift Cannon-balls and then multiplying them ASAP?

    Okay, how many more Artifacts for both sides must I look up before anyone can gather more bright ideas in numbers?

    There’s always Accio’ing the guns since it’s quicker than saying Expelliarmus to say the least, well a lot of times anyway.

    Disposing of Dead Forces will be trickier for Side B to manage WHILE still looking for the Necromancer in question in time.

    This fight may take longer for both sides than expected.

  45. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 6:38 pm -      #245

    Although i still see it as a stomp anyways.

    That would be because you wank Percy harder than I did, which I find hilarious in hindsight.

    You all realize that Hogwarts still has no counter to Zombies with Guns right?
    And they likely never will get a viable counter to that.
    Since every “spell” or what not that you think of will still lose to a bullet 9/10 times.


    Felix Felicis; or a shield spell. Or teleporting since that’s pretty much at-will for the higher-ups.

    Not true, kill Nico. There, problem solved. And since we know Nico and other Demigods are not immune to magic or very resistant to it; the spell to KO him will work fine. Doesn’t matter what it is: invisibility plus element of surprise with teleport = initiative advantage and a down Nico.

    No its a universe where even the wizards using it don’t know/understand the limits.

    More like the Word of God doesn’t know proper limits, same difference.

  46. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:41 pm -      #246

    “it’s a universe of NLF magic,”

    No its a universe where even the wizards using it don’t know/understand the limits. Hell even the so called “unblockable killing curse” gets blocked by stun spells in book seven. Its more that the Wizards are so stagnated they can’t think outside of the predetermined spellbook to see what limits there may or may not be.

  47. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:42 pm -      #247

    “That would be because you wank Percy harder than I did, which I find hilarious in hindsight”

    *scwint*
    – – –
    “gets blocked by stun spells in book seven”

    I would like to point out that this only happened between 2 individuals whom had wands that shared cores, and shared parts of the same soul.

  48. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:45 pm -      #248

    “ico and other Demigods are not immune to magic or very resistant to it; ”

    when its cast by immortal goddesses in a world where gods that don’t specialize in magic can play with stars and where a gods true form fries a persons brain so hard they die, not by prebubescant, teen, and elderly squishy wizards that can barely destroy a small building and who would be deep fried by a gods true form.

  49. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:47 pm -      #249

    “destroy a small building”

    Peter Pettigrew once blew up an entire street, killing 13 people and he’s a pretty shitty wizard as they go. However I dont think it’s ever stated what spell he used so, meh

  50. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 6:50 pm -      #250

    @LadyRanmkin
    no in book seven jets of red and green were described as clashing IE killing and stun spells

    Him being shitty would matter…..if every spell didn’t have the same effect no matter who used it unless its an intent based spell like the 3 forbidden curses…..

  51. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #251

    Ramkin, end of Blood of Olympus and Jason joins CHB. I already posted it.

  52. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #252

    “no in book seven jets of red and green were described as clashing IE killing and stun spells”

    1) quotes please

    2) im pretty sure there are spells that share colours, but since i cant think of any on the top of my head and i dont have the books im not pushing it.
    – – –
    “Ramkin, end of Blood of Olympus and Jason joins CHB. I already posted it.”

    “Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces”

    From the OP, Jason is a camp half blood force, But he isnt a Greek demigod.

  53. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:52 pm -      #253

    “Ramkin, end of Blood of Olympus and Jason joins CHB. I already posted it.”

    “Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces”

    From the OP, Jason is a camp half blood force, But he isnt a Greek demigod.

  54. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 6:57 pm -      #254

    Right, this Demigod wank is getting old:
    Medusa gaze- works fine
    Demon curse(s)- works fine
    Circe animal magic- works fine
    Fury magic whips- works fine
    Magic manticore fire- works fine
    Ice Goddess- works fine
    Charmspeak- works fine
    Time alter- works fine
    It would be easier to list the times the resistance actually works than all of the times it fails. Peryc is the only one who routinely resists anything- and he’s an exception, not the rule. And even he fails to resist on occasion.
    It’s PIS.

    And it’s much more likely that Percy just ascended fast enough that a normal human would die rather than going accelerating in a horizontal fashion that he broke the sound barrier. Because he never goes anywhere near that fast again and routinely requires aid to go faster from other sources like Pegasai.

    What with him being Son of a Sea God, I’m thinking the feat about ignoring ocean pressure would be much more likely. You want him to be Hypersonic? Prove your theory as more than a theory.

    no in book seven jets of red and green were described as clashing IE killing and stun spells

    You know… there’s more than 1 green spell, Ron’s slug spell was green…

    Seriously though, Felix Felicis; the user cannot fail. It’s canon ability of a canon potion that is present at the battle.

  55. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 6:59 pm -      #255

    “Prove your theory as more than a theory.”

    *Prove your hypothesis IS a theory.

    Pet peeve, sorry, ignore me, most of you do anyway.

  56. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 7:06 pm -      #256

    Pet peeve, sorry, ignore me, most of you do anyway.

    Nah, I read everything you post; might not reply to it but I do read it.

    The quote is about Percy ascending- this part is not up for debate. He goes up and breaks the surface.

    Then we have him saying his speed would cause a human to pop like a balloon. Now there are currently two interpretations of this:
    1) He goes fast enough that the acceleration would kill a person
    2) He ascends quickly enough that the pressure difference would kill the person

    still not a single instance of pathetic British Magic listed though.

    Beating magic resist with no feats of resisting isn’t hard

  57. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:09 pm -      #257

    “Medusa gaze- works fine
    Demon curse(s)- works fine
    Circe animal magic- works fine
    Fury magic whips- works fine
    Magic manticore fire- works fine
    Ice Goddess- works fine
    Charmspeak- works fine
    Time alter- works fine”

    I’m waiting to see pathetic British Wizard listed, but all I’m seeing are immortal Greek Goddesses, Monsters, Demons, and a Greek Demigod ability inherited from Aphrotide, still not a single instance of pathetic British Magic listed though.

  58. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:09 pm -      #258

    “Nah, I read everything you post; might not reply to it but I do read it.”

    Considering i kind of like you now, that means a lot to me.
    – – –
    I think there was a quote from Percy commenting on the pressure no effecting him…. I think it was…… when he went to see his dad….. in the underwater city…. I haven’t read them enough to remember what happens when
    – – –
    “pathetic British Wizard ”

    Please explain how being British impacts on the effectiveness of the magic?

  59. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:10 pm -      #259

    “You know… there’s more than 1 green spell, Ron’s slug spell was green…”

    Yes I’m sure the Death Eaters who are known for using the KILLING CURSE 90% of the time in battle were trying to make everyone throw up slugs to death

  60. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:12 pm -      #260

    @LadyRamkin
    The encounter with Egyptian Monsters seems to imply that the origin of a creature affects its resistance to magic, with Egyptian creatures being more resistant to Greek magic and magic weapons and vice versa Greek creatures being more resistant to Egyptian magic and magic weapons.

  61. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:13 pm -      #261

    When the death eaters attacked the ministry in book 5, they were using all kinds of spells, not just the killing curse. Ron was hit by somthing that made his basically drunk. Hermione was hit with… somthing…. that…. knocked her out and made her pulse faint… Lucius Malfoy hit Neville with a dancing hex…. for some reason.

    They dont just use the killing curse all the time, even though they should.

  62. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #262

    *Prepares for Incoming Crudeness Fired By Yours Truly*

    WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STOP GRABBING APHY’S CHEST AND LISTEN UP!?!?!?

    First out, on the bright side this has potential to be better-managed than ComicVine’s take on the fight.

    Second out, how many of you on either side are bothering to look up Artifacts, Relics, and other interesting items either side can make use of?

    Third, let’s say(if there IS a Hostage in Hogwarts) the likes of Crabbe, Goyle and others loyal to Voldemort’s lot either instigated the kidnapping or (if there ISN’T any Hostages in Hogwarts) they decided to start a ploy to provoke CHB, Prep-time or not, would that still affect the initial tone of the overall fighting depending on which one winds up happening?

    Fourth, I can’t believe I’m saying this but did no one say anything on Hermione carrying a Time-Turner on her that might have avoided the fate of the others, or Shield Gloves, Shield Cloaks and Shield Hats like the ones the Weasley Twins are selling in public that already made their way to Hogsmede and whatnot?

    The Artifacts and other Objects are actually well-cited thankfully, if they’re not noted with specified quotes, they’d get noted in Pottermore links.

    Here’s hoping they’ll make upcoming discussions in-match a whole lot more interesting to say the least.

    My gut says people from (The Original!-) Merlin’s Time tend to hit harder than this, the last I checked.

    Sometimes I must wonder what may happen if a Dot Hack faction were up against either half of the F.O.O actually, In-Game Powers allowed and all that jazz.

    The Medieval Times are FAR NASTIER than anything A Lot of the Modern-day Times were able to produce, and definitely a HELL of a lot more honest about it as well.

    Both sides’ majorities had nightmarish days in the Medieval Times the last I checked, but at least CHB is still holding up just fine in terms of leadership and stuff like that, I’ve no idea what’s become of Hogwarts to give us the Dark Days of the Fudge Era sadly enough. T_T;

    Aside from the Sucky Decisions Albus Dumbledore tended to get stuck with, but still.

  63. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:15 pm -      #263

    Also page 631 Deathly Hallows has Ron Weasley dodging Avada Kedavra
    “Crabbe wheeled around and screamed, “Avada Kedavra!” again. Ron leapt out of sight to avoid the jet of green light.”

  64. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:16 pm -      #264

    “The encounter with Egyptian Monsters seems to imply that the origin of a creature affects its resistance to magic, with Egyptian creatures being more resistant to Greek magic and magic weapons and vice versa Greek creatures being more resistant to Egyptian magic and magic weapons.”

    Is this from the Carters magic not effecting Percy quote? Or were there other examples?

  65. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:21 pm -      #265

    @LadyRamkin
    true but at the battle at the Ministry they weren’t trying to brutally murder everyone in the building, their one mission in Deathly Hallows was kill everyone at the school besides Harry who Voldemort was explicitly reserving for himself.

  66. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:26 pm -      #266

    “Is this from the Carters magic not effecting Percy quote? Or were there other examples?”

    Besides that when Percy stabbed an Egyptian monster with Riptide he noted that it was still alive and kicking despite the fact the wound he dealt it being enough to turn most Greek Monsters to dust.

  67. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:27 pm -      #267

    “true but at the battle at the Ministry they weren’t trying to brutally murder everyone in the building,”

    They were trying to kill everyone except Harry since he was holding the Prophecy.
    If anybody has the book, can they check the bit just after they escape the prophecy room, i think they over hear Lucius saying somthing like, “kill the others but leave potter until we get the prophecy”

  68. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 7:27 pm -      #268

    @Friendly
    “That would be because you wank Percy harder than I did, which I find hilarious in hindsight.”

    Feats are feats.
    It’s undeniable that thinking HPverse has a chance here is wankage though.

    “Felix Felicis”

    Just no.
    Being lucky doesn’t make you god.
    Guns are literally so far above most wand spells it’s ridiculous.

    “or a shield spell.”

    They would probably get shot before they would have time to react to the bullet.
    You do realize how fast bullets are right? Faster than the average humans reaction time, assuming it’s fired from a reasonable distance.

    Also, assuming spell shields can block everything indefinitely is a NLF.

    ” Or teleporting since that’s pretty much at-will for the higher-ups.”

    Once again something that depends on reaction time.
    You’re really underestimating guns here.

    “Not true, kill Nico. There, problem solved.”

    The dude that moves around in shadows? Unlikely he’s gunna get killed by Potterverse wizards.
    Much more likely everyone in Hogwarts just gets stomped actually.

    ” invisibility ”

    *sigh* Pretty sure we’ve mentioned demigods being capable of seeing past magical illusions.
    The invisibility charm IS still a magical illusion, regardless of how much you want to wank its potency.

    “And it’s much more likely that Percy just ascended fast enough that a normal human would die rather than going accelerating in a horizontal fashion that he broke the sound barrier. ”

    What makes you say it’s more likely?
    The wording supports the latter more than the first.

    “Because he never goes anywhere near that fast again”

    Deflecting bullets requires you to be pretty fast. Like… Very fast.
    Depending on where his sword was when the bullet was fired.
    And considering this was done without water, the 2 feats do go hand in hand.
    There’s also the fighting so fast he appeared as a blur the whole time. (without water)

    ” I’m thinking the feat about ignoring ocean pressure would be much more likely.”

    You keep ignoring that it specifically mentions his Speed.
    Ocean pressure wouldn’t apply to Percy to begin with because he CONTROLS the currents and pressure anyways.
    Why would it mention his speed of changing pressure not killing him, when we already know he has absolute control over that?

    ” You want him to be Hypersonic? Prove your theory as more than a theory.”

    The wording is clear.
    Prove your interpretation of it is the one that should be considered rather than the obvious one that comes to most peoples minds.

    “Seriously though, Felix Felicis; the user cannot fail. It’s canon ability of a canon potion that is present at the battle.”

    BULL SHIT.
    harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Felix_Felicis
    “Felix Felicis causes the drinker to have a limited period of good luck, during which they are likely to to succeed in all endeavours in which success is possible. They have a strong perception of this effect, including a high level of confidence and a “sensation of infinite opportunity.” This is accomplished not through direct application of force or granting the drinker any extraordinary powers, but by inspiring the drinker with a favorable pathway through the circumstances. ”

    It does NOT provide a supernatural power or force that makes you successful. It just INSPIRES you to take the more favorable pathway.

    If you’re in a situation where you’re getting roflstomped, one option may result in a 0.1% chance at victory, whereas the other would result in a 1% chance at it.
    The Potion would inspire you to go for the latter.
    It does not guarantee victory.

    Not to mention it takes 6 months before its ready to be consumed.

    @Ramkin
    “Peter Pettigrew once blew up an entire street, killing 13 people and he’s a pretty shitty wizard as they go. ”

    Where does it say he blew up the ENTIRE street?
    He caused an explosion on a street which killed 13 people, which can be done with a very small explosion in a crowded street.
    That doesn’t even need to be car busting. House busting would be pushing it.

  69. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:30 pm -      #269

    “Where does it say he blew up the ENTIRE street?”

    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh, Book 3, Harry sneaks into hogs mead and over hears fudge talking about the incident. uuuuh fudge says somthing like, “little more than a crater, even craked the sewer bellow, blamed on a gas explosion” Or somthing, again, dont have the books on me, all from memory. Subject to error.
    – – –
    “Besides that when Percy stabbed an Egyptian monster with Riptide he noted that it was still alive and kicking despite the fact the wound he dealt it being enough to turn most Greek Monsters to dust.”

    So even when Riptide does work, it doesn’t work anywhere near as good because its opponents aren’t from the Greek mythos (in the context of a BankGambling match)

    INTERESTING…..

  70. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:32 pm -      #270

    “Besides that when Percy stabbed an Egyptian monster with Riptide he noted that it was still alive and kicking despite the fact the wound he dealt it being enough to turn most Greek Monsters to dust.”

    So even when Riptide does work, it doesn’t work anywhere near as good because its opponents aren’t from the Greek mythos (in the context of a BankGambling match)

    INTERESTING…..

  71. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:34 pm -      #271

    Also Hermione apparently considered Fiendfyre too dangerous to use for destroying the Horcruxes

    still looking for the spell clashes.

  72. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 7:38 pm -      #272

    @Ramkin
    “uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh, Book 3, Harry sneaks into hogs mead and over hears fudge talking about the incident. uuuuh fudge says somthing like, “little more than a crater, even craked the sewer bellow, blamed on a gas explosion” ”

    I still think you used a horrible choice of words when you said “entire” street. Cracking the ground into the sewer isn’t the same as an explosion that spreads several hundred meters.

  73. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:41 pm -      #273

    “I still think you used a horrible choice of words when you said “entire” street. Cracking the ground into the sewer isn’t the same as an explosion that spreads several hundred meters”

    We should probably get an actual quote on it though, see if anybody know what the spell actually was. Because i have no idea.

  74. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 7:41 pm -      #274

    Nico di Angelo shuffled over, leaning on his black sword.
    “Leo, they’re not dead. If they were, I could feel it.

    -Mark of Athena p. 571
    ——-
    And that was after Percy fell into Tarturus. He felt Percy and Annabeth all the way down into Tarturus.
    —–
    So match begins:

    Percy: Alright, we’re gonna find our friend!
    *surrounding demigods give a cheer of approval*
    Nico: Ummmm…I can’t sense him. He’s not there.
    Percy: Ok…now we fight!
    *Percy/Nico/Jason proceed to destroy Hogwarts*
    FF7 Victory Theme.
    —–

  75. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 7:43 pm -      #275

    Just no.
    Being lucky doesn’t make you god.
    Guns are literally so far above most wand spells it’s ridiculous.


    Being lucky makes shit miss, always. Downplay harder. We’ve seen the results of using that in battle- everyone who drank it wasn’t touched, ever.

    They would probably get shot before they would have time to react to the bullet.
    You do realize how fast bullets are right? Faster than the average humans reaction time, assuming it’s fired from a reasonable distance.


    You realize dead soldiers have to fire the gun right? I don’t recall being dead increasing your reaction times; and Nico is no great case for reactions either.

    It does NOT provide a supernatural power or force that makes you successful.

    It actually does exactly that, it makes you lucky. Ginny and Hermione say no matter what happened (spells, building pieces falling on top of them) they were not hit once.
    It also boosts your abilities as Harry was able to cast spells he had previously been unable to perform.
    Your move.

    Not to mention it takes 6 months before its ready to be consumed.

    I know right? If only Harry had a bottle of it…

    Leo, they’re not dead. If they were, I could feel it.

    So he can feel death? What about that whole sensing life thing?

    see if anybody know what the spell actually was.

    It’s not mentioned, quite a bit of the magic is never mentioned now that I think about it.

  76. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:44 pm -      #276

    “So even when Riptide does work, it doesn’t work anywhere near as good because its opponents aren’t from the Greek mythos (in the context of a BankGambling match)”

    I’m not sure I’ve been trying to get something definite on it in the last few matches with Percy (and I brought it up earlier in this match too, that the reason the Egyptian spell didn’t work might be because Percy is outside of context to Egyptian Magic)
    On the one hand it could mean that it works just like a normal sword with anything outside of Greek Mythology but still technically mythological/mystical. On the other…..I’m not sure it could just mean resistance his higher or something.
    Like I said been trying to get people to talk on this a couple times because I think it could play a major role in how this match plays out and if Celestial Bronze weapons and magic would not work the way they should bringing it to a clash of demigod powers and physical abilities vs the non spell defenses the Hogwarts defenders can muster, various herbological stuff like the Mandrakes and Devils Snare etc. or if it would mean nothing.

  77. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:46 pm -      #277

    “We should probably get an actual quote on it though, see if anybody know what the spell actually was. Because i have no idea.”

    If I don’t find the other quote I’ll jump over to the third book and see if I can find it.

  78. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:47 pm -      #278

    “It also boosts your abilities as Harry was able to replicate spells he had previously been unable to perform.”

    The spell that Harry became able to do was a refilling charm, Which makes you wonder why wizards ever buy anything, But it produces more of the liquid in the given container…
    – – –
    “I know right? If only Harry had a bottle of it…”

    So if they poured that into a bigger container and then performed the refilling charm…..

    Or poured some of it into a different container then did the spell on the original container….

  79. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:50 pm -      #279

    Also Trelawney was able to make crystal balls work as single direction projectiles that were capable of launching Fenrir Greyback into a wall.
    So thats another not directly on the Demigods spell that could work depending on the way things with magic fall.

  80. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 7:51 pm -      #280

    @LadyRamkin at #274

    If the Liquid Luck Bottles are there, then Side B winds up as Armies of Pseudo-Ta’veren-style Lunatics as Projectile Attacks wind up an Issue as we’re back to ‘Augmented Super-Soldiers’ vs. ‘Non-‘Vanilla’ Mortal Folks with LOADS of Gadgets to go use’ and all that jazz.

    Neither side’s expected to make much headway under the current rate of matters, wonder when will the Bigger Guns in terms of Gear and stuff start getting brought up.

    There should be an XCom Multiplayer Video inspired by that idea at some point if anyone asks me.

    So can we resume talking about Combat Tactics and Strategies for both sides yet?

    I take it no one mentioned the Multi-Vitamins yet by chance.

  81. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 7:52 pm -      #281

    Like I said been trying to get people to talk on this a couple times because I think it could play a major role in how this match plays out and if Celestial Bronze weapons and magic would not work the way they should bringing it to a clash of demigod powers and physical abilities vs the non spell defenses the Hogwarts defenders can muster, various herbological stuff like the Mandrakes and Devils Snare etc. or if it would mean nothing.

    I’d make a thread on the Topia specifically for discussing CHB things like that- it’s been brought up for every match and it’s one of those
    “Okay, we need to decide how we’ll deal with this for the sake of all future matches” things.

  82. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:54 pm -      #282

    “Neither side’s expected to make much headway under the current rate of matters, wonder when will the Bigger Guns in terms of Gear and stuff start getting brought up.”

    Well other than the infinity replicating, burning suits of armour, im totally out of ideas. Mind posting some Big guns?

  83. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 7:54 pm -      #283

    So here’s one of Percys best water manipulation feats. Dunno if its been posted here yet.

    “Then [Percy] slammed Riptide into the ice at his feet. The entire glacier shuddered. Ghosts fell to their knees. Behind Percy, a wave of gray water even taller than the glacier. Water shot from the chasms and crevices in the ice. As the water hit, the back half of the camp crumbled. The entire edge of the glacier peeled away, cascading into the void-carrying buildings, ghosts, and Percy Jackson over the edge.”

    The Glacier mentioned is the Hubbard Glacier, which stands at 350 ft above the water level.
    Percy’s wave was higher.

    He shook the whole thing and then broke off a massive chunk of it, which added “several hundred acres of newly opened water”

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Hub_Glacier.jpg/1280px-Hub_Glacier.jpg
    That thin glacier? That’s actually 35 stories high. Just to give you an idea of its scale.
    The length is 122 kilometers (high end)

    Comparatively, Hogwarts would have a length of less than 5km.
    And most of it is about 20 stories, with the peak of the towers going up to about 40.

    It definitely wasn’t done “slowly”, since Percy was in active combat against an army of ghosts.
    Also, he was rather tired.

    My “wank” regarding Percy exists for a reason.

  84. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 7:55 pm -      #284

    “Or poured some of it into a different container then did the spell on the original container….”

    Was there something about that spell not working on more complicated potions or something? I feel like there was but I don’t remember.

  85. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 7:57 pm -      #285

    “Was there something about that spell not working on more complicated potions or something? I feel like there was but I don’t remember.”

    If I remembered somthing like that i wouldn’t have bought it up, anyone else know?

    harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Refilling_Charm

  86. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 8:00 pm -      #286

    “Well other than the infinity replicating”

    infinitely replicating yes, retaining the same quality not as much they deteriorate faster as more generations are made.

  87. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:01 pm -      #287

    Harry does NOT have a bottle of it. He gave it to Ron, remember?
    —-
    “Thanks,” said Ron. “Er — why do I need socks?”
    “You need what’s wrapped in them, it’s the Felix Felicis. Share it between yourselves and Ginny too. Say goodbye to her from me. I’d better go, Dumbledore’s waiting —”
    “No!” said Hermione, as Ron unwrapped the tiny little bottle of golden potion, looking awestruck. “We don’t want it, you take it, who knows what you’re going to be facing?”
    “I’Il be fine, I’ll be with Dumbledore,” said Harry. “I want to know you lot are okay… don’t look like that, Hermione, I’ll see you later…”
    And he was off, hurrying back through the portrait hole t

  88. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:02 pm -      #288

    “infinitely replicating yes, retaining the same quality not as much they deteriorate faster as more generations are made.”

    Was that actually confirmed? And who needs quality when just touching it burns you?

  89. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 8:03 pm -      #289

    @Friendly
    “Being lucky makes shit miss, always.”

    True, but rifles can fire quite fast. And you can get shot by more than one source.
    How many bullets will miss?
    If you say all of them, you’re bullshitting.
    The “always” thing is also kinda bullshit.

    “everyone who drank it wasn’t touched, ever.”

    Never touched by projectiles which moved at 1/10 the speed of a bullet, and take about 1/10th the time it takes a gun to fire again.

    Ever heard the term “Don’t push your luck”?

    “You realize dead soldiers have to fire the gun right?”

    So.. People with average reaction times shooting other people with average reaction times?
    You think the person getting shot will have time to cast a spell?
    How about we test it out?

    “It actually does exactly that, it makes you lucky”

    The HPwiki says the exact opposite.
    It says the potion does NOT provide any supernatural powers or forces. It only inspires you to make the “better” choices.

    “Ginny and Hermione say no matter what happened (spells, building pieces falling on top of them) they were not hit once.”

    Never touched by projectiles which moved at 1/10 the speed of a bullet, and take about 1/10th the time it takes a gun to fire again.

    They were never hit by falling debris, fair, i’ll concede that they’d be lucky enough to avoid all that mass destruction.
    But to say they’ll dodge EVERYTHING else just because they’re lucky? No.
    They were lucky enough to dodge everything they were up against back in their verse. That luck does not infinitely scale to everything to the point of NFL.

    They were lucky enough to dodge a bunch of slow spells. Great!
    Let me guess, you think they’d beat FTL Planet Busting Superman too? Caus that’s how luck works right?

    “I know right? If only Harry had a bottle of it…”

    Hmm. A handful of surviving wizards can surely roflstomp CHB!
    Oh wait…

  90. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 8:05 pm -      #290

    @LadyRamkin
    its just if it was that easy wouldn’t Voldemort have prepared for the battle by making an infinite supply to ensure none of his subordinates screwed things up? I mean plot can only cover so much wouldn’t there be a reason? And besides Voldemort, pretty much every wizard in the world could have an infinite supply if it was that easy. The only universal reasons I can think of are, Honor System or there’s something stopping it from working.

  91. Ragnorke March 30, 2015 at 8:08 pm -      #291

    I really hope y’all don’t just ignore that Glacier feat.

    I genuinely wish to know if you still think HPverse can win after better understanding the scale of that feat, and why.

    I think most people were under the assumption (including myself initially) that it would take multiple tidal waves, along with some assumptions that we’d never seen Percy do, and several minutes of focused work… to take down Hogwarts…
    But honestly it would be done in a single quick swoop, and that swoop would quite literally obliterate the entirety of the school.

    That feat is actually very ridiculous.

  92. Jake_Uzumaki March 30, 2015 at 8:10 pm -      #292

    “Was that actually confirmed?”

    Wonderbook of Spells confirms it.

    also what are we talking about replicating again? I don’t recall the suits of armor or statues having a burn on contact effect…and not sure what degree of effect it would have on the more durable demigods.

  93. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:11 pm -      #293

    Guys, they don’t even have the luck potion. Post 282.

  94. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:17 pm -      #294

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    “I mean plot can only cover so much wouldn’t there be a reason?”

    Have you read Harry potter? I mean, have you really sat and thought about it. How in the world was Sirius ever arrested for killing those people?
    1) He didnt have a dark mark
    2) They can verify the truth with veritaserum
    3) THEY CAN LOOK AT MEMORIES, the can experience all of his memories in glorious 3D, how did they not immediately know the names and faces of every death eater, and imperious’d individual

    Better yet, hunting for death eaters? Make all uniforms sleeveless SIMPLE AS THAT.

    Instead of putting the philosophers stone in a box with the fidelius charm upon it, the same charm that made Volldermort unable to find the Potters indefinitely, they set up a series of tests that 3 FUCKING 11 YEAR OLDS CAN BYPASS

    moaning myrtle was KILLED in Hogwarts, and was hanging around as a ghost. Harry was the FIRST PERSON EVER to ask how she died, THE FIRST.

    How was Hagrid ever expelled for unleashing the monster, THEY CAN CHECK MEMORIES.

    How was Peter Petigrew NEVER spotted by fred and George FOR TWO YEARS on the marauders map when he sleeps in Rons bed EVERY NIGHT.
    Already covered why the Sirius thing is stupid.

    For what ever reason harry cant not participate in the tri wizard tournament. Its a Magically binding contract. but EVERY EVENT has the option for them to surrender by putting up red sparks, there was NO REASON for harry to participate.

    The second trial was held under water, and lasted just over an hour. Every student at Hogwarts sat and stared and the surface of the lake… for an HOUR, same thing for the third task, they jsut sat and looked at a maze WTF

    There is no reason for fudge to disbelieve Harry about voldermort because, you guessed it, THEY CAN LOOK AT MEMORIES

    And those are only the big ones. Do i really need to continue.
    – – –
    “Wonderbook of Spells confirms it.”

    wut?
    – – –
    “also what are we talking about replicating again? I don’t recall the suits of armor or statues having a burn on contact effect…and not sure what degree of effect it would have on the more durable demigods.”

    I only bought it up as it was the best thing i could think of to do, it was directed at Commander Cross whom bout up the “big guns”

  95. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:23 pm -      #295

    Also, another biggy, Why, for any reason, would you give a 13 year old girl the ability to FUCK AROUND WITH TIME?!?!?! Her timetable was a bit full? FUCK OFF. You tell that bitch to drop some classes, you don’t give her a fucking time turner.

  96. Friendlysociopath March 30, 2015 at 8:25 pm -      #296

    Guys, they don’t even have the luck potion. Post 282.

    “Harry does NOT have a bottle of it. He gave it to Ron, remember?”

    Alright, I want you to sit there and think about what you’ve done.

    And yes, Potterverse is probably THE biggest PIS “wtf why” universe I know of at the moment. I chalk it to the writer not entirely knowing what she was doing- which she often admits to.

    wut?

    There’s extra books: Most of the books mentioned multiple times in the series have been released as fluff.
    “Hogwarts History”
    “Magical Creatures”
    “Tales of Beetle and the Bard”
    and so on

  97. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:25 pm -      #297

    @Ramkin
    Wow. You feel very strongly about this. And yeah, you’veade me really think about how much PIS is in HP.

  98. Commander Cross March 30, 2015 at 8:26 pm -      #298

    @LadyRamkin at #290

    Captain Obvious or not, we already know Fudge himself is a Brain-dead Idiot to end all Brain-dead idiots, either that or he secretly despises the British Magical Citizenry, whichever happens first.

    The Dursleys are Walking Discredits to Modern-day Humanity In General, why else didn’t they give Harry J. Potter so much as either Modern Military Tactical or Strategic Novels to go read or even so much as a Modern-day Revolver to go Maim Voldemort with?

    I can Kind-of understand Why Albus Dumbledore never went to appoint Voldemort as a DADA Instructor, but how many Sucky decisions from Sucky Situations did he had to stumble on, I have to wonder?

    Can anyone explain why is there such a Gap in Military or Combative Prowess and Potential between the Medieval and the Modern-day Potter-world as of yet?

    Also aside from maybe France and Bulgaria, why did no one speak aloud the thoughts of the Non-British Magical Communities on what they’ve thought about the whole crisis that led to a New War against Voldemort’s lot, by chance?
    (I can buy the U.S being busy with their own Catastrophes at home or working to NOT get infiltrated by Dark Lords, but they strike me as Under-manned a lot of times and working to make sure the rest of the U.S don’t go killing themselves suicidally but c’mon here!)

    The following’s gonna be very redundant but on a Scale of 1-to-10, how much of a Brain-dead idiot is Fudge again with 10 being the Highest number?

    I recalled a Major Multi-world Conversation from some other site once that talks about those regards, and I’ve yet to see anything from Potter-more address regards like that.
    If either Potter-more or future Physical Potter-world novels will address those regards, we can all talk more about it sooner-or-later here’s hoping.

    Also did they even give a proper reasoning why no Martial Arts and Crafts or no CQC Weapons were in play all that much and we’re lucky to hear Cane Swords get used?

    Also, is there no love for Magical Weapons being used more often?

    @FriendlySociopath at #292

    You’re thinking Post #283 sir.

  99. LadyRamkin March 30, 2015 at 8:27 pm -      #299

    @Nsl98
    Sorry, about that.

    “The following’s gonna be very redundant but on a Scale of 1-to-10, how much of a Brain-dead idiot is Fudge again with 10 being the Highest number?”

    Fudge is really irrelevant, they can show Harry’s memories to anyone and everyone. Even if Fudge is a douchebag. build enough support and you can sack him.

  100. Nsl98 March 30, 2015 at 8:28 pm -      #300

    @Friendly
    -OP specifies Book 6 Hogwarts.
    -Current incarnation for Book 6 Hogwarts is how ever it was at the end of Book 6
    -By the end of Book 6, the FF potion is already used up
    -No FF potion for Book 6 Hogwarts
    -That also means no Snape
    —-
    @Ramkin
    Naw, your good. The Time Turner was just a qualm I had, and you’ve reinforced it.

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