Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts

Camp Half Blood Vs Hogwarts

Suggested by JMT

Camp Half Blood (The Percy Jackson universe) wage war against Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry (Harry Potter).

Camp Half Blood’s composite Greek demigod forces, disregarding allies and gods, but including deceased or traitorous demigods, have reason to believe that one of their own is in Hogwarts, and has laid siege to it, using divine magic to block apparition off the grounds and floo travel. Hogwarts is in Sixth Year, possessing a full-power Dumbledore.

Can the Camp take the castle, how long does it take, and what losses are there on each side?

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746 Comments on "Camp Half Blood VS Hogwarts"

  1. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 1:07 am -      #1

    Percy solos.
    —-
    Plus, HPverse spells are slow enough that the pre-teens and old people can dodge. Any demigod with at least a couple months of training know me how to dodge arrows effectively.
    —-
    Pretty sure Percy could destroy part of Hogwarts himself.

  2. Friendlysociopath March 29, 2015 at 1:14 am -      #2

    Um, pretty sure CHB is extremely boned. Be back in the morning to explain why.

  3. batman3.14 March 29, 2015 at 1:30 am -      #3

    The Camp takes it faster than He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named can say “avada-kedavra”! The entirety of the Hogwarts students and staff will be decimated, but probably one or two from CHB are taken out due to sheer stupidity.

    As Ns198 said, HPverse spells are slow enough so Harry and company can dodge them. A demigod could dodge one while sleeping!

    The greatest threats are Dumbledore, McGonagall, and Snape. Percy himself can take the tree down. Fearing for the children, the Hogwarts staff will probably send the children to hide in the room of requirement. Those would be the only ones to survive. Still the castle would nevertheless be lost with CHB winning the war.

  4. KalaDellexe March 29, 2015 at 1:41 am -      #4

    Percy collapses the castle walls with repeated waves from the lake and his limited earthquake powers.is Jason here? He spends time at CHB. Also, does CHB have the giant boat w/ siege weaponry or Festus the dragon?
    OR BOTH?

  5. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 1:47 am -      #5

    “Break it!” Micheal yelled. “Use your powers!”
    It was a desperate thought-no way it would work-but I stabbed Riptide into the bridge. The magic blade sank to its hilt in asphalt. Salt water shot from the crack like I’d hit a geyser. I pulled out my blade and the fissure grew. The bridge shook and began to crumble.

    -Last Olympian p. 192
    —–
    Bridge Percy broke:

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Above_Williamsburg_Bridge_crop.jpg
    —-
    @Kala
    Iirc, Festus is off with Leo and Calypso, traveling the world.

    Speaking if which, is Leo technically a part of CHB?

  6. Commander Cross March 29, 2015 at 1:51 am -      #6

    @Nsl98 at #5

    If things were different, we’d have asked if Leo would have joined along in a matter like this, but given the circumstances, well see below to see my in-depth responses on the matter in general

    Though Alabaster Torrington will definitely be here, no questions asked about it, and his family will be defended by him, think of Torrington as more or less ‘Harry Dresden Junior’ or something like that, so to speak.

    Now I have no clue how many Pure-bred Veela are Percy, Jason or Nico each worth, but it depends on incarnations and all that jazz.

    Me asking about Veela-blooded Folk aside, read below to see my responses in-depth, okay?

    @Everyone

    We are ALL gonna die in here, the Knights of The Round Table during Arthur Pendragon’s Reign would make this even crazier with the right versions of that group, and NOW I gotta keep my user-namesake and his comrades-at-arms among my Role-play party contained, or they’ll be out for JMT’s blood and torment him in any way they’d get away with.
    -___-

    I fear for both sides’ lives in here more than you’d know, and does Side B have any Veela-blooded individuals around to gather?

    Where’s (The Original) Merlin or Jesus Christ when you need them?
    Not to take Physical Form on their parts obviously(especially not the latter) but I’d like to fathom somewhere in the backgrounds, their Avatars are Face-palming on the sight of the incoming mayhem. T_T

    Please tell me at the very least, this’ll be better-managed than the ComicVine version of that fight, where they didn’t even mention Veela-blooded folks at all nor did they bring up other stuff that could be of interest, like Greek Fire Bombs, Mandrake Roots, or Mad-Eye Moody’s Mad-Eye to go copy out.

    Long story short: WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!

  7. KalaDellexe March 29, 2015 at 1:52 am -      #7

    Composite forces I thought?
    For some reason I remember thinking the bridge scene was earthquake powers… either way he destroyed it, so whatever.

  8. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 1:56 am -      #8

    “Aresto Momentum” and “Wingardium Leviosa” should provide Hogwarts with at least a few ways of dealing with some of the faster or stronger characters. They’re invisible spells with no projectile to dodge, and this should open up a good few of CHB to killing curses, fiendfyre, or something else. “Petrificus Totalus”, for example.

    Not quite sure who would win, but it may not seem all that one-sided.

  9. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 1:57 am -      #9

    Ahh, didn’t read the OP properly.
    —-
    Anyway, someone with the exact same ability as Leo set London on fire:
    —-
    “Sixteen sixty-six,” the girl offered. “Guy named Thomas Faynor. He started the Great Fire of London, destroyed most of the city.”
    -Lost Hero p. 81

    Demigod Weaponry:
    . A month before, he’d rigged a Greek firebomb in the bathroom of a tour bus that was carrying a bunch of monsters across the country. The explosion took out a whole legion of Kronos’ evil armies as soon as the first harpy went flush.
    Last Olympian p. 9

  10. KalaDellexe March 29, 2015 at 2:07 am -      #10

    Are we taking into account that very few at Hogwarts have the knowledge or even resolve to use the killing curse?
    Also I thought those spells were harder to use on heavier/moving things? I could be remembering wrong though.

  11. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 2:16 am -      #11

    Oh, forgot, Whomping Willow solos.
    =
    Anyway, does anyone remember if the big magical shield in Deathly Hallows part 2 was in the books?

  12. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 2:16 am -      #12

    Hogwarts is in Sixth Year
    —-
    Does this mean book 6 Hogwarts? Or that only 6th years are fighting?
    —–
    And about Unforgivable Curses. Didn’t Bellatrix say something along the lines of, “You have to really mean it!” or something? I doubt your average Hogwarts Student would even have the magical knowledge to even put it to use.
    —-
    That leaves the teachers and Harry’s plot armor.

  13. KalaDellexe March 29, 2015 at 2:20 am -      #13

    Also, I´ll be the one to bring it up. What about the magic vitamind for the CHB?

  14. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 2:27 am -      #14

    “Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?” she yelled. She had abandoned her baby voice now. “You need to mean them Potter! You need to really want to cause pain — to enjoy it — righteous anger won’t hurt me for long — I’ll show you how it is done, shall I? I’ll give you a lesson –”
    —–
    Found it.^
    —-
    The vitamins are Hermes. The gods aren’t in play this match, unless all Hermes children secretly have them.

    Also, magic resistance:
    “The bigger te spell, the easier it is to resist. If you want to sleep millions of mortals, you’ve got to cast a very thin layer of magic. Sleeping demigods is much harder.”
    Last Olympian p. 167
    —–
    More:

    [Percy] swung again, and I had no choice. I used my wand this time, catching his blade in the crook of ivory and channeling a burst of magic straight up his arm. The air between us flashed and crackled. Blue sparks of sorcery popped around him as if my spell didn’t know quite what to do to with him”
    /Son of Sobek

  15. KalaDellexe March 29, 2015 at 2:37 am -      #15

    I forgot about demigod natural magic resistance, that would make the levitation spells less useful as they are harder to use against people (at least according to the wiki, not sure how accurate that is).

  16. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 2:53 am -      #16

    I was using the Killing Curse as an example. Sectum Sempra, fucking up “Brackium Emendo” (that will remove your bones), Confundus, Bombarda Maxima, Confringo, Expulso, Immobolus, Obliviate, or any of the other ones I mentioned would all be viable. You don’t have to kill someone to take them out of the fight.
    =
    EDIT
    “they are harder to use against people “

    There is a spell to specifically lift people, though – levicorpus.

  17. Neon Lord March 29, 2015 at 3:04 am -      #17

    “Anyway, someone with the exact same ability as Leo set London on fire:”

    The Great Fire of London started in a bakery. It was a small fire initially that spread out to go out of control.
    =
    I never got why Avada Kedavra was so dangerous if everyone knew Reducto…

  18. Commander Cross March 29, 2015 at 3:26 am -      #18

    @Councilor Aelfinn

    Thank you so much for being there, yet no one in here got back to me if they bothered to address
    Lore in regards to Veela-blooded individuals, let alone At the Pure-bred Veelas’ True Forms where Storm Control, Fireballs and Casual (Low) Super-Human Prowess are all a given.

    There’s also A LOT of Spells from Pottermore or the Potter-world Video Games to factor in as well, but I’m not sure how many of us go on Pottermore.

    I’m not out to take up Arms in favor of either side if I can help it, but it won’t mean I’m not gonna make sure some matters are covered.

    Also, can we agree that we can switch out ‘Raditz’ with ‘Veela-blooded folk’ if we wanna talk Power Levels and Stuff, or at least talking Supernatural Firepower?

    Also the last I checked, AK is likely only Supersonic+-at-best most of the time without any Buffing Spells like Magicus Extremos(any of its variants really) to consider, and that’s when we’re talking either Enough Martial or Magical Combat Training, Bloodlust or Despair being in play.

    On the bright side at least I get to say something funny:
    It would be VERY HOT if we got to see some Aphy girls and some Veela-blooded Females go make-out in Lipslocking sessions before entire crowds actually, not gonna lie! 😛

    Speaking of the Aphy cabin, I’ll also say the following In Sincerity Mode Time, right about now:

    I for one am nothing if not PROUD of the fact the Aphy cabin got out of The Hufflepuff House Syndrome, and the fact they did so before the Titular Hufflepuff House itself did on-screen is nothing short of Spectacular as far as Leading-by-Example is concerned!

    If The Aphy cabin can do this(Courtesy of Piper McLean’s doings in particular but there’s others in-cabin worth the Praise, Silena Beauregard anyone?), so can the Hufflepuff House itself in turn.

    *Some faint tears of Joy get brought in, but are hidden away for now*

    @Everyone else

    Can we factor in all the Creatures and stuff both sides can bring up, by all means?

    Speaking of the Aphy Cabin, a lot of people in that Cabin can alter their physical descriptions too, not unlike Metamorphamagi in some respects like Tonks of the Hufflepuff House actually.

    Yup, a lot of them can be between Metamorphamagi and Veela in terms of Potency when you think about it. ^_^

    @Neon Lord at #17

    You forget Incendio(Basic Fire-based Attack Spell), Explusio(Explosion Curse) and even Sectumsempra actually, all 3 of which usually hit quicker than A.K generally does if I recall right.
    Also, give the Veela-blooded Folks that are Actually Combat-Trained in both Magic and Martial Prowess enough CQC weaponry and things will get more interesting, I can assure you.

  19. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 5:35 am -      #19

    “Anyway, someone with the exact same ability as Leo set London on fire:”

    More accurately, started the great fire of London, and considering how London was built then, I could have done that with a single match, not really an impressive feat.

  20. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 8:34 am -      #20

    Considering the location of Hogwarts (giant lake(?)), and the lack of any superhuman feats for the Wizards & Witches… I’m gunna go ahead and say Percy takes this.

    Doubt he even needs to enter the school.

  21. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 8:49 am -      #21

    “possessing a full-power Dumbledore.”

    Uh…. A bit of water ain’t gonna do shit, Dumbledore can turn it into glass, or… well anything he likes. Magic in harry potter doesn’t have any real limits (NFL whatever, there are no demonstrated limits Afaik), as far as I can tell it doesn’t even make them tired. Dumbledore can silently apparate around while invisible, and turn all of the half bloods into a single bone.

    Hogwarts also has a wizard capable of creating potions that bends the laws of probability and make you exponentially more skilled than you previously were.

    Since immortal monsters can’t actually die, would most halfbloods even be able to see thestrals? And attack by invisible skeleton horse things might be fun.

    If a fall back point is needed the room of requirement can not be entered unless you at least know that its there, it also has the ability to produce a variety of magical items. and general facilities.

    The wizards themselves should be immune to most of camp halfbloods weaponry by virtue of not being immortal. If celestial bronze could hurt mortals then backbiter would be a pointless weapon… well it would still have a pointy end, but… Never mind.

    I assume Harry will be there, and if Harry is there his fire bolt will also be there, and they move pretty bloody quick.

    I think Hogwarts can take it.

  22. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 8:59 am -      #22

    Forget turning them into bones, Dumbledore can cast memory charms on them and make them think they are on Hogwarts side. Cause a lot of infighting. The imperious spell would also work wonders. Harry even uses it, so it cant be that hard.

    I think Parvati patil once accidentally turned a plate into a flock of flamingos, No reason they cant turn inanimate objects into more viscous animals and just let them loose.

    also all of the suits of armour come to life and help fighting, And we have seen charms that infinity replicate inanimate objects, so Hogwarts has unlimited foot soldiers.

    Devils snare planted around the grounds will fuck up advancing forces too.

  23. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 9:02 am -      #23

    “Uh…. A bit of water ain’t gonna do shit, Dumbledore can turn it into glass, or… well anything he likes”

    Yea i’m gunna need you to prove that.

    ” Magic in harry potter doesn’t have any real limits”

    It actually has the most limited number of feats from any of the fantasy novels i’v ever read.
    Having no demonstrated limits doesn’t change the fact that we follow feats.

    “Dumbledore can silently apparate around while invisible, and turn all of the half bloods into a single bone.”

    When does he turn invisible again..? Aren’t all invisibility spells & shit flawed aside from harry’s?
    And when do people apparate WHILE invisible again…?
    And when is anyone ever turned into a bone..?
    And hey! you know something funny? Dumbledore can still get speedblitzed.

    “potions that bends the laws of probability and make you exponentially more skilled than you previously were.”

    Which if i remember correctly is INCREDIBLY rare.
    And using it more than once (?) can kill you.

    “Since immortal monsters can’t actually die, would most halfbloods even be able to see thestrals? And attack by invisible skeleton horse things might be fun.”

    Since when are thestrals included in this match…?
    In that case shouldn’t CHB get their magical beasts too?

    ” it also has the ability to produce a variety of magical items.”

    Pretty sure it just gives you shit that has already been stored there from ages ago.

    “If a fall back point is needed the room of requirement can not be entered unless you at least know that its there”

    Won’t matter once Hogwarts is blown to shit.

    “The wizards themselves should be immune to most of camp halfbloods weaponry by virtue of not being immortal.”

    Percy would rip 10-20 wizards to shreds per second with his bare hands assuming there was water in Hogwarts at the time.

    “I assume Harry will be there, and if Harry is there his fire bolt will also be there, and they move pretty bloody quick.”

    How quickly?

  24. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 9:05 am -      #24

    Percy would rip 10-20 wizards to shreds per second with his bare hands assuming there was water in Hogwarts at the time

    Even without water he could blitz them, considering he moves as a blur to the naked eye.

    Horrible thought, but Percy vs the first years would be like that scene in Episode 3 where Anakin kills the younglings.

  25. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 9:06 am -      #25

    “Forget turning them into bones, Dumbledore can cast memory charms on them and make them think they are on Hogwarts side”

    Don’t half bloods have some mind resistances?
    Pretty sure they do.

    In fact don’t half bloods have a natural resistance to magic? Was that ever brought up yet?
    I can’t speak for other characters, but Percy definitely “lol no-ed” magic more than once.
    And he didn’t lolno it because he was too durable for it to have effect on him, but rather the magic just couldn’t do “its thing” on him.
    Why would this be any different?

  26. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 9:07 am -      #26

    “so Hogwarts has unlimited foot soldiers”

    In fact, you could have foot soldiers that split into 10 identical copies when somthing makes physical contact with them, and each copy would have the same enchantment upon it, give the armour the enchantment that burn skin of contact on top of that, and you can simply bury camp halfblood in an ever expanding mass of burning metal.

  27. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 9:09 am -      #27

    @Rag
    I posted the magic resistance quotes. Post 14.
    —-
    @Ramkin
    Has that particular charm ever been shown to work on a human? And if it worked like that, why wasn’t that used during the many times Hogwarts got attacked in 6&7?

  28. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 9:13 am -      #28

    “I think Parvati patil once accidentally turned a plate into a flock of flamingos, No reason they cant turn inanimate objects into more viscous animals and just let them loose.”

    Well, spells could be pretty specific.
    Can you prove ANY inanimate object can be turned into ANY animal?
    Caus honestly plates into flamingos is laughable.

    “also all of the suits of armour come to life and help fighting, And we have seen charms that infinity replicate inanimate objects, so Hogwarts has unlimited foot soldiers.”

    1. Those suits were pathetically useless against superhumans.
    2. proof any inanimate object can be replicated?
    3. Also… If the suits of armor are animated… then they aren’t inanimate…
    4. Don’t say something like “they’ll replicate them before they become animated”. They already had the spells set on them ages ago. Proof you can replicate things like that?

    “Devils snare planted around the grounds will fuck up advancing forces too.”

    *imagines a bit of Devil Snare trying to stop the advance of a 350 ft tall tidal wave*
    *giggles*

  29. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 9:18 am -      #29

    “In fact, you could have foot soldiers that split into 10 identical copies when somthing makes physical contact with them, and each copy would have the same enchantment upon it, give the armour the enchantment that burn skin of contact on top of that, and you can simply bury camp halfblood in an ever expanding mass of burning metal.”

    Bull fucking shit.
    You don’t have the slightest idea how long it took them to set up that curse/spell.
    And considering it was one of Voldemorts most precious possessions, i’m willing to bet he put in a decent amount of time to ensure its safety.

    Bottom line:
    STOP using “feats” without providing the background information of how they were set up first.

  30. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 9:18 am -      #30

    “Yea i’m gunna need you to prove that.”

    Dammit, he doesn’t do it in the film, does anybody have the 5th book? Where Dumbledore fight voldy?
    – – –
    “When does he turn invisible again..?”

    First book, He is just in the room with the mirror of Erised and he states (somthing along the lines of) “I don’t need a cloak to become invisible”
    – – –
    “And when do people apparate WHILE invisible again…?”

    Harry, Ron and Hermione do it while under the Invisibility cloak all the time in the 7th book. Its how they get in and out of Grimauld place
    – – –
    “And when is anyone ever turned into a bone..?”

    Barty crouch junior transfigures his dad into a bone and burys him in Hagrids pumpkin patch. It’s in the confesstion at the end of book 4
    – – –
    “And hey! you know something funny? Dumbledore can still get speedblitzed.”

    While invisible?
    – – –
    “Which if i remember correctly is INCREDIBLY rare.”

    Well, Dumbledore can place a fidelius charm on Hogwarts and make it unfindable until they have enough time to make some
    – – –
    “And using it more than once (?) can kill you.”

    Useing too much at once can kill you, Slughorn says he has used it 3 time i think.
    – – –
    “Since when are thestrals included in this match…?”

    I thought they were assaulting Hogwarts? The thestrals live there…. If they aren’t fine, my mistake.
    – – –
    “Pretty sure it just gives you shit that has already been stored there from ages ago.”

    Really? hm, Well it can still make passages throughout the school so that is some ambush potential there.
    – – –
    “How quickly?”

    No, idea. But at the quiditch world cup they are described as blurs, and the players have the reactions to play at that speed.

  31. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 9:25 am -      #31

    “Well, spells could be pretty specific.
    Can you prove ANY inanimate object can be turned into ANY animal?
    Caus honestly plates into flamingos is laughable.”

    Well, she did it by accident and Harry wasnt really sure how, so meh
    – – –
    “2. proof any inanimate object can be replicated?”

    Everything in Belatrixes vault was enchanted to multiply when touched, is there any reason this would not be able to be applied to other things?
    – – –
    “Also… If the suits of armor are animated… then they aren’t inanimate…”

    They have spells on them that make them move, but the money in Belatrixes vault had spells on them to make them burn and they were still able to be duplicated.
    – – –
    “4. Don’t say something like “they’ll replicate them before they become animated”. They already had the spells set on them ages ago. Proof you can replicate things like that?”

    Considering what we have seen in Harry potter is there any reason why they can’t?

    mcgonagall specifically made the giant moving chess pieces for the first book, if she can do that then she can make as many soldiers as she likes and then lay the appropriate charm on them.
    – – –
    “They already had the spells set on them ages ago. ”

    Proof of that please?
    – – –
    “STOP using “feats” without providing the background information of how they were set up first.”

    what spells in harry potter aren’t done by pointing your wand at it and saying/thinking some words????

    Or are you trying to say that because we don’t see them cast they don’t work like every other spell in the series?

  32. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 9:41 am -      #32

    Doesn’t the replication spell at a certain point have the copies break down much faster than the original would?

    And I’ll see your armor and statues and raise you undead US army troops via Nico the son of Hades.

    And composite CHB means Thalia is in play as well.

    Would composite CHB forces mean Percy gets the Styx Enhancement back? Because if so couldn’t he quite literally just casually stroll through Hogwarts?

  33. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 9:44 am -      #33

    IMO Percy could do it without Styx Enchantments, seeing as magic flat out refuses to work on him and he’s physically superior to all of Hogwarts.
    —–
    And are there any skeletons near Hogwarts that Nico could summon?

  34. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 9:45 am -      #34

    “Doesn’t the replication spell at a certain point have the copies break down much faster than the original would?”

    Not afaik.
    – – –
    “Would composite CHB forces mean Percy gets the Styx Enhancement back? Because if so couldn’t he quite literally just casually stroll through Hogwarts?”

    Assuming he can find it. Not being a wizard, He should just see Hogwarts as an old ruin

  35. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 9:48 am -      #35

    Assuming he can find it. Not being a wizard, He should just see Hogwarts as an old ruin
    —-
    But demigods can see through the Mist….

    And wouldn’t EC make it so they can see Hogwarts?

  36. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 9:48 am -      #36

    “First book, He is just in the room with the mirror of Erised and he states (somthing along the lines of) “I don’t need a cloak to become invisible””

    You might need to post that.
    And i still recall it being said (multiple times) that Harry’s cloak is the only perfect form of invisibility.

    “Harry, Ron and Hermione do it while under the Invisibility cloak all the time in the 7th book. Its how they get in and out of Grimauld place”

    But they weren’t using a spell that makes THEM invisible. They were just under a cloak.
    I asked if you could Apparate WHILE invisible yourself. The way Dumbledore was.

    “Barty crouch junior transfigures his dad into a bone and burys him in Hagrids pumpkin patch. It’s in the confesstion at the end of book 4″

    Interesting

    “While invisible?”

    I don’t think a hundred thousand tons of water is going to care if he’s invisible or not.

    “Well, Dumbledore can place a fidelius charm on Hogwarts and make it unfindable until they have enough time to make some”

    I really don’t think this is going to be a long battle.
    Couple of hours – a dozen at most.

    “No, idea. But at the quiditch world cup they are described as blurs, and the players have the reactions to play at that speed.”

    That really doesn’t suggest superhuman RT.
    Forexample, F1 cars are blurs, and the drivers can still “react” while driving them.

    “Everything in Belatrixes vault was enchanted to multiply when touched, is there any reason this would not be able to be applied to other things?”

    I’m not saying it can’t be,
    I’m saying you just don’t know how long it took, or if anyone in Hogwarts even knows the spell.
    You see… The burden of Proof is on you, not me.

    “Considering what we have seen in Harry potter is there any reason why they can’t?”

    If you’re going to go down this route… Then should i go back to saying Percy can manipulate blood?

    “mcgonagall specifically made the giant moving chess pieces for the first book, if she can do that then she can make as many soldiers as she likes and then lay the appropriate charm on them.”

    Then why was she limited to so few during the novels finale?

    “Proof of that please?”

    I’ll try and find it. But the wording seemed the apply the spell was only “activated”, rather than the spell being cast on all of them then & there.

    “what spells in harry potter aren’t done by pointing your wand at it and saying/thinking some words????
    Or are you trying to say that because we don’t see them cast they don’t work like every other spell in the series?”

    The way you just worded it, Voldemort must have made his horcruxes by simply pointing his wand at them and saying a simple word.
    But you know that’s not true.
    Most spells concerning enchanting items take more than just a wand-point/word.
    Once again, burden of proof’s on you.

  37. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 9:48 am -      #37

    “seeing as magic flat out refuses to work on him”

    YES, of course. This is why he needs vitamins given to him by Hermes that make him temporarily immune to magic. Because he TOTALLY needs those when he is immune anyway.

    And that time he was essentially mind controlled in that shop, and on the island, where he was transformed into a guinea pig, Good thing none of that happened due to him being immune to magic and all.

  38. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 9:54 am -      #38

    @Ramkin
    All those instances were when he was younger. Demigod’s get more powerful as they grow older, and he fought Carter when he was older. And Silena Beauregard even said magic on demigods is harder. I posted the quote.

    And when was Percy mind controlled? That was Jason and Leo in Medea’s shop.

  39. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 9:54 am -      #39

    Nico can just summon troops from the Underworld if I remember right he even summoned a decent sized army in Last Olympian.
    He also has geokinesis able to open fissures and send people to Hades through them, levitate rocks and turn them into razor sharp black projectiles.
    He can control bones as well and control darkness to a degree and travel through shadows as well as sense life energy.
    And he has a fear aura that caused monsters to back away from him at first at one point in Last Olympian.

    His Stygian Iron sword outright eats souls to become stronger and is a focus for his undead summoning

    and depending on how we read composite here might have Diocletian’s sceptre which summons an army of undead legionaries.

  40. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 9:57 am -      #40

    Even without the sceptre though there’s the undead from Hades and the fact he can just go through shadows and shank people in the back. Like say Dumbledore when he pokes his head out to use a spell….Nico just shadow jumps to that place and shoves his sword through the old wizard.

  41. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 9:58 am -      #41

    “You might need to post that.”

    “And it showed your friend Ron himself as head boy.” “How did you know–?” “I don’t need a cloak to become invisible,” said Dumbledore gently. (SS/PS pg. 213/156)
    – – –
    “I asked if you could Apparate WHILE invisible yourself. The way Dumbledore was”

    Is there any reason he would not be able to? You were the one saying Percy should be able to control blood because There is no logical reason why he shouldn’t be able to. Is there any logical reason that he cant apparate while invisible?
    – – –
    “I really don’t think this is going to be a long battle.
    Couple of hours – a dozen at most

    How can they wage a battle against a building they cant find? The death eaters sat outside gimauld place for weeks, and they could not see it at all.
    – – –
    “If you’re going to go down this route… Then should i go back to saying Percy can manipulate blood?”

    All it would be is a witch/wizard, casting a spell that we know can be cast by witches/wizards. It’s not like im trying to support an ablility that has not only not been demonstrated by the character/s in question, but not been demonstrated by ANY Character, like with the blood thing.
    – – –
    “The way you just worded it, Voldemort must have made his horcruxes by simply pointing his wand at them and saying a simple word.”

    No, first he had to kill some people first, I dont remember seeing anything that said making Horcruxes was harder than that.
    – – –
    “Most spells concerning enchanting items take more than just a wand-point/word.”

    That statement actually gives you the burden of proof.
    – – –
    “And when was Percy mind controlled? That was Jason and Leo in Medea’s shop.”

    It was, wasent it…. Percy was still under the magic mind whammy just before he was turned into a Guinea pig
    – – –
    “And Silena Beauregard even said magic on demigods is harder”

    Harder maybe, you just stated a flat immunity,

  42. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:05 am -      #42

    Harder maybe, you just stated a flat immunity,

    No, I said magic flat out refuses to work on him.

  43. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 10:07 am -      #43

    “No, I said magic flat out refuses to work on him.”

    Which is the same thing as saying he is immune

    Another thing, Can turn inanimate objects into port keys and then throw them at the half bloods. Half bloods hit them, get teleported to an active volcano.

    P.S a port key, is neither floo travel nor disapperation

  44. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 10:08 am -      #44

    How can they wage a battle against a building they cant find?

    By word of OP “have reason to believe that one of their own is in Hogwarts, and has laid siege to it, using divine magic to block apparition off the grounds and floo travel. ”

    They have already found it and begun the siege.

  45. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 10:10 am -      #45

    “Is there any reason he would not be able to? You were the one saying Percy should be able to control blood because There is no logical reason why he shouldn’t be able to. Is there any logical reason that he cant apparate while invisible?”

    You realize i STOPPED using that argument right? Because i decided Percy simply didn’t have the knowledge or experience required to pull it off.
    So how is this any different?
    Dumbledore being old doesn’t make him omnipotent. If he hasn’t proved he can do it, he can’t.

    “How can they wage a battle against a building they cant find? The death eaters sat outside gimauld place for weeks, and they could not see it at all.”

    Didn’t nsl already bring up the EC of seeing through magical illusions?
    Also, how do magical illusions stop the 350 feat tidal thingy that Percy can make? (that’s about 35 floors btw. How high is hogwarts again?)

    “All it would be is a witch/wizard, casting a spell that we know can be cast by witches/wizards”

    It’s more like saying he can use 2 spells at once. Two spells which both fuck with your own anatomy.

    “No, first he had to kill some people first, I dont remember seeing anything that said making Horcruxes was harder than that.”

    That means there was a ritual to it, which required prep time.
    My point isn’t about what the ritual is, i certainly don’t care. My point is that YOU don’t if one exists or not either.
    Making magical items & enchanting usually takes a bit of prep. More so than just saying a simple word.
    And you know that.

    “That statement actually gives you the burden of proof.”

    I’v already given an example. And i only need to give one.
    From now on, you need to proof every spell doesn’t need prep.
    You certainly can’t do that for spells that have only been shown to have been cast off-screen.
    (by a character that isn’t in this match, might i add)

    “Harder maybe, you just stated a flat immunity,”

    I think it would depend on the kind of spell.

  46. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 10:10 am -      #46

    “[Percy] swung again, and I had no choice. I used my wand this time, catching his blade in the crook of ivory and channeling a burst of magic straight up his arm. The air between us flashed and crackled. Blue sparks of sorcery popped around him as if my spell didn’t know quite what to do to with him”
    /Son of Sobek ”

    That sounds like spells not understanding how to work with him to me. As if he’s an out of context problem to magic or something.

  47. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:11 am -      #47

    @Ramkin
    The exact quote says the spell didn’t “know what to do with him”, implying that magic and Percy don’t mix.
    —–
    Ergo, magic casted at Percy in this match will have the same result as with Carter. Ineffective.

  48. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 10:19 am -      #48

    “Dumbledore being old doesn’t make him omnipotent”

    OP says ‘possessing a full-power Dumbledore.’
    Dumbledore at full power is the smartest wizard of the age and has the elder wand, which… makes him stronger…. somehow….
    – – –
    “That means there was a ritual to it, which required prep time.”

    No… You kill a guy it tears your soul, you cant make a horcrux without a torn soul…. i suppose that constitutes preptime, but only as in acquiring the active ingredients, no proof that the spell is any more complex or difficult than any other spell.
    – – –
    “It’s more like saying he can use 2 spells at once. Two spells which both fuck with your own anatomy.”

    Proof that anything fucks with your anatomy?
    – – –
    “My point is that YOU don’t if one exists or not either.”

    So you just assume there is one? If a murderer wanted to make a horcrux then you still havent given any proof that that would take prep time. Harry was accidentally made into a horcrux (which i totaly called before that book came out and everyone called me stupid :'( )

    You want me to prove that spells in harry potter work the same as other spells in harry potter?
    – – –
    “Ergo, magic casted at Percy in this match will have the same result as with Carter. Ineffective.”

    1) what does that spell actually do?

    2) Percy has been clearly effected by magic before, but if you are saying this is a new thing then meh

    3) This doesnt not mean that EVERY demi-god has that same resistance.

  49. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 10:22 am -      #49

    “Ergo, magic casted at Percy in this match will have the same result as with Carter. Ineffective.”

    1) what does that spell actually do?

    2) Percy has been clearly effect by magic before, but if you are saying this is a new thing then meh

    3) This doesnt not mean that EVERY demi-god has that same resistance.

  50. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 10:25 am -      #50

    Well it might depend on the spell. Spells that are directly working on him will more than likely be confused by whatever confused Carter’s spell (or he’ll just no sell them if Styx enchantment is in play) but something more elemental like FiendFire would likely still work because its fire just created by and somewhat magical by nature. Water creation and lightning creation spells if there are any and basically anything that’s generating a “natural force” would likely work mostly normal if less effective depending on the Demigod.
    It will likely depend on if the spell is generating something vs trying to alter the demigod directly.

    Course the point is slightly moot due to Celestial Bronze armor and shields, spells that would be damaging will most likely be blocked by it. Its only the more hax spells that may or may not get through depending on the nature of the spell and then it will have to deal with the apparently non-standard nature of the Demigods.

    So personally to me if its slinging fire water earth air or similar it can hit the demigod but whether it does anything or not will vary between demigods and what they can get between themselves and the spell.
    The more hax conceptual stuff instant death, levatation, transformation etc etc will run into the “what the hell is this thing” magic scramble field Demigods apparently have.

    TLDR
    Elements yes
    conceptual hax no

  51. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:29 am -      #51

    Percy has been clearly effected by magic before, but if you are saying this is a new thing then meh
    —-
    It is new, Son of Sobek chronologically takes place after Blood of Olympus.
    —–
    As for the spell, it doesn’t say. It just says that blue sparks of magic hopped around Percy and couldn’t effect him.
    ——
    Personally, I see it as magic directed toward Percy can’t have the intended effect on him due to him being “outside” of magic or something.
    —–
    Besides, depending on who the demigods parent is, some will have elemental resistance.

    Example: Leo would be unaffected by the fire, due to being immune to fire.
    ——
    And like Jake said, physical damage spells could prolly have the effects, but the more “hax” ones won’t know what’s going on when they hit the Half-Bloods.

  52. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 10:32 am -      #52

    “The more hax conceptual stuff instant death, levatation, transformation etc etc will run into the “what the hell is this thing” magic scramble field Demigods apparently have.”

    Cept for that time he was turned into a guinea pig, i suppose his magic scramble field was having a day off.

    Unless its a field that Percy has recently picked up and other demigods havent been proven to have
    – – –
    “Course the point is slightly moot due to Celestial Bronze armor and shields, spells that would be damaging will most likely be blocked by it.”

    Quotes for celestial bronze stopping magic attacks?
    – – –
    “Personally, I see it as magic directed toward Percy can’t have the intended effect on him due to him being “outside” of magic or something.”

    Quotes for THAT?

  53. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 10:32 am -      #53

    “Percy has been clearly effected by magic before, but if you are saying this is a new thing then meh

    3) This doesnt not mean that EVERY demi-god has that same resistance.”

    It’s an age thing, the older the Demigod the stronger the resistance to magic. So most of the main characters and nameless background Demigods of the same age will have stronger resistance than younger ones.
    Percy Thalia and Nico probably have slightly above average resistance, but depending on the spell there’s also going to be the physical barrier issue with shields and armor.

    Something else I’ve been thinking as a possible explanation is that the magic that worked on Percy is “Ancient Greek Magic” as opposed to “Ancient Egyptian Magic” or………whatever you’d call Harry Potter magic.
    The magic is native to Percy so its harder for him to resist, the more foreign he is to the magic the harder it is for it to hax him, again outside of elemental stuff, if you fling a fireball at him its still going to hit him and burn because that’s what fire does. Then it falls to the Demigod’s armor and natural durability

  54. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:34 am -      #54

    Quotes for celestial bronze stopping magic attacks?
    —-
    Ummm….in the HP books and movies, spells were shown to be deflected by walls, chairs, and inanimate objects. I doubt they could get through armor.
    —-
    “Quotes for THAT

    I said it was a personal opinion, not fact…

  55. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 10:36 am -      #55

    “Ummm….in the HP books and movies, spells were shown to be deflected by walls, chairs, and inanimate objects”

    They have also been shown blowing chunks out of rock, destroying walls, and reducing objects to dust.
    – – –
    PEMN?

    People eat meaty nuts?
    Penguins eviscerate mean Nihilists?
    Pop emperor manhandles newborns?
    – – –
    “I said it was a personal opinion, not fact…”

    go it

  56. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:42 am -      #56

    Personal
    Expierience
    Means
    Nothing
    —–
    It was just a theory. What I was trying to say is that one explanation could be that since it was a foreign spell, the spell couldn’t react with Percy due to him being a Greek related thing, and the spell being Egyptian.
    —-
    Seeing that that incident took place within Percy’s verse, going to a completely different universe should render the more “hax” spells even more ineffective.

  57. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:48 am -      #57

    So, how do the Hogwartians fare against more modern weaponry?
    —-
    Nico could literally summon thousands of soldiers the moment the fight starts.
    —-
    . Skeletal hands grasped the air as the dead clawed their way into the world of the living. There were thousands of them…
    -Last Olympian p. 315
    —-
    Also worth noting that Nico was causing buildings to crack with his powers. Add another demigod that could potentially destroy Hogwarts to the list…

  58. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 10:51 am -      #58

  59. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 10:57 am -      #59

    Dang, haven’t seen those in forever. Taking me back to elementary school days…

  60. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 11:02 am -      #60

    Dumbledore turn is visible by casting a very powerful Disillusionment charm. It is possible to cast Disillusionment charms on other people, therefore everyone in Hogwarts can be invisible. Yay, share the fun!

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spells_in_Harry_Potter#D

    Impervius (Impervius Charm)
    Pronunciation: /ɪmˈpɜrvi.əs/ im-pur-vee-əs
    Description: This spell makes something repel (literally, become impervious to) substances and outside forces, including water.
    Seen/mentioned: Used by Hermione in Prisoner of Azkaban on Harry’s glasses while in a Quidditch match and also by the Gryffindor Quidditch team in Order of the Phoenix, both times to allow team members to see in a driving rain. Also used in Deathly Hallows, first by Ron to protect objects in Yaxley’s office from rain, and then by Hermione in an attempt to protect Harry, Ron and Griphook from the burning treasure in the Lestranges’ vault.

  61. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 11:08 am -      #61

    Avis
    Pronunciation: /ˈeɪvɨs/ ay-vis
    Description: This charm creates a flock of birds from the caster’s wand. When coupled with Oppugno, it can be used offensively.
    Seen/mentioned: Shown in Goblet of Fire, cast by Mr Ollivander to test Viktor Krum’s wand.[GF Ch.18] In Half-Blood Prince, it is cast by Hermione, followed by Oppugno which causes the birds to attack Ron.[HBP Ch.14]

    So, making animals seems to be a fairly simple endeavour, they teach it at school
    – – –
    Serpensortia
    Pronunciation: /ˌsɜrpənˈsɔrti.ə/ sur-pən-sor-tee-ə
    Description: Conjures a serpent from the spell caster’s wand.[10]
    Seen/mentioned: Used by Draco whilst duelling Harry in Chamber of Secrets and Voldemort in the duel against Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix.

    They don’t need to transfigure things into animals, they can just make them
    – – –
    (Slug-Vomiting Charm)
    Description: A jet of green light strikes the victim, who then vomits slugs for an undefined period of time (greater than five hours). The sizes of the vomited slugs decrease with time.
    Seen/mentioned: In Chamber of Secrets, Ron attempts to use it on Draco by saying “Eat Slugs”; the spell backfired and hit him instead. Mentioned in Order of the Phoenix before Gryffindor’s first Quidditch Match against Slytherin when Draco taunts Ron, “Harry was reminded forcibly of the time that Ron had accidentally put a Slug-Vomiting Charm on himself”.[OP Ch.19]

    this coupled with the flamingo thing…

    These kids can create life BY ACCIDENT

  62. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 11:09 am -      #62

    @Ramkin
    “OP says ‘possessing a full-power Dumbledore.’
    Dumbledore at full power is the smartest wizard of the age and has the elder wand, which… makes him stronger…. somehow…”

    Still doesn’t mean i should assume he can do something no one in the series has done before. (or even hinted at being able to do)

    “No… You kill a guy it tears your soul, you cant make a horcrux without a torn soul…. i suppose that constitutes preptime, but only as in acquiring the active ingredients, no proof that the spell is any more complex or difficult than any other spell.”

    And so it needs certain ingredients. Which yes, means preptime.
    Once again, it’s up to YOU to prove any spell can be cast instantly without any prep or ingredients.
    And since it was done off screen, you have no way of doing that.

    “Proof that anything fucks with your anatomy?”

    One of them makes your body invisible, the other takes your body from one point in space to another.
    They both affect YOUR body.
    I have no reason to think they can be done simultaneously, since no one has ever done them simultaneously, or ever been hinted at doing them simultaneously.
    And ya know… it woulda been hella useful throughout the novels.

    And.. Can’t demigods see past magical illusions anyways?
    AND the invisibility spell isn’t perfect to begin with…
    AND Percy has the reflex time needed to SEE a bullet and deflect it.
    Yea dumbledore isn’t going to be a problem.

    “So you just assume there is one?”

    No, i’m not assuming anything because i’m not the one trying to make a positive claim on this debate.
    YOU are trying to bring up a spell.
    Therefore YOU need to know the requirements of that spell… Which you don’t know.
    So YOU’RE assuming it doesn’t need any ingredients or prep time.
    And that doesn’t qualify as proof. (which you need)

    “You want me to prove that spells in harry potter work the same as other spells in harry potter?”

    Considering some of them need certain ingredients, whereas others don’t… Yes, you NEED to prove it.

    Also, you conveniently keep forgetting to address that this specific spell was put in place to protect the most powerful dark wizards most important possessions.
    A powerful dark wizard who happens to not be included in this match.
    So why bring it up without evidence that anyone in this match can use it?

    “3) This doesnt not mean that EVERY demi-god has that same resistance.”

    Considering Percy border-line solos as it is, giving him any sort of magic resistance is a big deal.

    “They have also been shown blowing chunks out of rock, destroying walls, and reducing objects to dust.”

    This was mostly only done in the Finale by the death eaters. Not the students of Hogwarts.
    MAYBE the teachers can pull something like that off, but that’s for you to prove.

    @Nsl
    “So, how do the Hogwartians fare against more modern weaponry?”

    Electric technology doesn’t work in the wizard world AFAIK, but mechanical ones still do.
    And since they have no superhuman speed, RT, or durability… Anything like old fashioned revolvers will be blowing those wizards a new anus.

    I don’t recall CHB having any such weapons though?

  63. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 11:12 am -      #63

    @Ramkin
    “Impervius (Impervius Charm)
    Pronunciation: /ɪmˈpɜrvi.əs/ im-pur-vee-əs
    Description: This spell makes something repel (literally, become impervious to) substances and outside forces, including water.”

    Considering most of Percys water manipulation is just used to make giant pounds of Force… i don’t see how this spell will help.
    Are you saying they can get hit by a train and not feel it?
    If so, that’s a NLF which you can’t prove.

    “So, making animals seems to be a fairly simple endeavour, they teach it at school”

    Making a flock of birds anyways.
    Had it been a more viscous animal, it MIGHT have been worth mentioning.

    “These kids can create life BY ACCIDENT”

    Don’t all those summoned animals eventually disappear or transmute back to what they were? I could be wrong though.
    Also, it still doesn’t help this match much.

  64. wingedlion March 29, 2015 at 11:21 am -      #64

    “One of them makes your body invisible, the other takes your body from one point in space to another.
    They both affect YOUR body.
    I have no reason to think they can be done simultaneously, since no one has ever done them simultaneously, or ever been hinted at doing them simultaneously.”

    I actually support camp-half blood in this match, but why does any of that matter?
    What does it affecting their bodies have anything to do with whether they can do it simultaneously or not?

  65. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 11:27 am -      #65

    “Still doesn’t mean i should assume he can do something no one in the series has done before.”

    Do what exactly, be very specific in what you mean.

    “They both affect YOUR body.”

    One of them moves you from one place to another. You have no idea how it does that and there is nothing to say that it effects your anatomy.

    And the other layers over you, harry describes it as wearing somthing really tight all over his body.
    – – –
    “Once again, it’s up to YOU to prove any spell can be cast instantly without any prep or ingredients.”

    So… 99% of all spells dont require anything of the sort, but we are just going to assume that they all do because we have a single exception…..
    – – –
    “Considering some of them need certain ingredients, whereas others don’t…”

    Considering that one spell needs you to have a fragment so soul. That is like saying, in order to enchant and object you need an object. Now prove that every spell ever doesn’t require an object.
    – – –
    “Also, you conveniently keep forgetting to address that this specific spell was put in place to protect the most powerful dark wizards most important possessions.
    A powerful dark wizard who happens to not be included in this match.”

    A powerful dark wizard that did not cast those spells. And if you would like to claim that he did, then you have to prove that.
    – – –
    “This was mostly only done in the Finale by the death eaters. Not the students of Hogwarts.
    MAYBE the teachers can pull something like that off, but that’s for you to prove.”

    Actually the “turn things in to dust” thing is taught to the DA by harry, the reductor curse? i think its called
    – – –
    “Making a flock of birds anyways.”

    And snakes, deadly snakes. That Malfoy makes in his second year. after the spell is whispered to him… once…
    – – –
    There also the vanishing charms that they cast on animals. They need classes on how to use them on vertebrates and invertebrates. Since humans are vertebrates, and this spell is taught in school to all the students in…….. 5th? year and above, The Hogwartians can make people vanish.
    – – –
    “And ya know… it woulda been hella useful throughout the novels.”

    Oh COME ON! Harry Potter has More PIS than any single other series i can think of. Every Wizard/Witch, do the stupidest of things for no other reason than plot. There Are GAPING plot holes EVERYWHERE.

  66. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 11:30 am -      #66

    @wingedlion
    Because no one in the Harry Potter-verse has ever cast two spells simultaneously. Ever.

    If you say the characters should logically be able to do it anyways, then i would simply go back to saying Percy should logically be able to control water in blood.

    I conceded that point for the very same reason this point should be conceded.

    The difference is that controlling water is still just controlling water.
    Whereas casting 2 spells at once is something different entirely, which has never been brought up in the series.

  67. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 11:36 am -      #67

    @Rag
    The skeletons from the Underworld use anything from spears to modern weapons. Chances are, some of them that Nico summons would have 19th-20th century weapons unaffected by the techno-screwage.
    —-
    Also:
    Annabeth reached a little farther in the shed and brought out something else.
    “A shotgun?” Piper asked.
    “Mossberg 500.”

    -Lost Hero p. 52
    —-
    Half-Bloods have access to modern weaponry…somehow.
    —-
    And Percy was strangling snakes while he was in diapers, snake spells are useless.

  68. wingedlion March 29, 2015 at 11:37 am -      #68

    @ragnorke
    “If you say the characters should logically be able to do it anyways, then i would simply go back to saying Percy should logically be able to control water in blood.”

    Tiny difference though. The two spells Rakmin has talked about have been done already, while Percy controlling blood never has. Sure, it may be within his abilities to do so, but it’s very much possible he simply does not know how, as growing experience is a constant theme with Percy. Meanwhile, Dumbledore is experienced in magic and has done these two spells, and it’s likely PIS that he has not done so Simultaneously. There’s no reason for him to no be capable of doing that.

    Actually, is there ever a point where he could have used both of those spells where that could have been useful (i don’t really read the books)?

  69. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #69

    “Because no one in the Harry Potter-verse has ever cast two spells simultaneously. Ever.”

    But it’s not casting two spells simultaneously, its cast one spell while another spell is active upon you.

    There are loads of instances of people casting magic while some other magic is acting upon them.
    – – –
    Uh…
    Maybe if he wanted to poke around looking for Horcrux’s without the ministry following him?
    – – –
    And Percy was strangling snakes while he was in diapers, snake spells are useless.

    Post it?

  70. wingedlion March 29, 2015 at 11:41 am -      #70

    “And Percy was strangling snakes while he was in diapers,”

    …Seriously?
    So many classic allusions.

  71. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 11:43 am -      #71

    @Ramkin
    “Do what exactly, be very specific in what you mean.”

    Invisibility + Apparating.

    “And the other layers over you, harry describes it as wearing somthing really tight all over his body.”

    Wait.. Did Harry ever use an invisibility spell?

    “So… 99% of all spells dont require anything of the sort, but we are just going to assume that they all do because we have a single exception…..”

    Yep.
    For all you know it took dipping the items in magical potions and what not.
    The fact of the matter is that you have no idea, just admit it and move on.

    “Now prove that every spell ever doesn’t require an object.”

    Well yea.
    You say that like it’s unreasonable to ask for that, when it seems like an obvious thing to ask for during a debate imo.

    “A powerful dark wizard that did not cast those spells. And if you would like to claim that he did, then you have to prove that.”

    His powerful dark lady friend did. Probably.
    Why bother bringing this up anyways…? You still have to prove anyone in Hogwarts can do it, which you know you can’t do.

    “Actually the “turn things in to dust” thing is taught to the DA by harry, the reductor curse? i think its called”

    Has it ever worked on someone who can take a volcanic eruption to the face without passing out?
    I’m assuming the spell works on a molecular level.

    “And snakes, deadly snakes. That Malfoy makes in his second year.”

    Percy’s immune to poison for what it’s worth.
    And do you really consider those snakes “deadly” compared to what Percy has faced?

    “Oh COME ON! Harry Potter has More PIS than any single other series i can think of. Every Wizard/Witch, do the stupidest of things for no other reason than plot. There Are GAPING plot holes EVERYWHERE.”

    While i agree HP is a plothole filled mess, i tried using the very same PiS argument for why Percy never manipulated blood.

    “But it’s not casting two spells simultaneously, its cast one spell while another spell is active upon you.
    There are loads of instances of people casting magic while some other magic is acting upon them”

    Not really…
    I can think of Potions, but that’s about it.
    I’m 99.99% sure no one ever used a spell while invisible. Which woulda been hella useful if you ask me.

  72. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #72

    @Ramkin and Wingedlion
    During third grade, a man in a black trench coat had stalked me on the playground. When the teachers threatened to call the police, he went away growling, but no one believed me when I told them that under his broad-brimmed hat, the man only had one eye, right in the middle of his head.

    Before that — a really early memory. I was in preschool, and a teacher accidentally put me down for a nap in a cot that a snake had slithered into. My mom screamed when she came to pick me up and found me playing with a limp, scaly rope I’d somehow managed to strangle to death with my meaty toddler hands.
    -(Lightning Thief ch3.112-113)
    —-
    Percy for FP Award guyz.

  73. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 11:47 am -      #73

    @wingedlion
    “Tiny difference though. The two spells Rakmin has talked about have been done already, while Percy controlling blood never has”

    Percy has controlled water. 92% of blood is water.

    “Meanwhile, Dumbledore is experienced in magic and has done these two spells, and it’s likely PIS that he has not done so Simultaneously. There’s no reason for him to no be capable of doing that.”

    Except no one has EVER done 2 spells simultaneously.
    Being experienced doesn’t mean you get to do something no one in your verse has ever been suggested at being capable of.

    “Actually, is there ever a point where he could have used both of those spells where that could have been useful”

    Casting spells while invisible seems like it would be useful in any struggle ever.

  74. wingedlion March 29, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #74

    “Percy has controlled water. 92% of blood is water.”

    I get that.
    I’m not saying Percy isn’t capable of controlling blood.
    I’m simply saying he doesn’t know how.
    It never really occurred to him.

    “Except no one has EVER done 2 spells simultaneously.
    Being experienced doesn’t mean you get to do something no one in your verse has ever been suggested at being capable of.”

    Here’s the thing though. From what i gather there is absolutely no reason why he can’t do it. And unlike Percy, we know experience isn’t a problem. So there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be able to do it. Hence it being PIS.
    Do you see what i mean?

    “Casting spells while invisible seems like it would be useful in any struggle ever.”

    Can’t anyone do those two spells though?

  75. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #75

    “Wait.. Did Harry ever use an invisibility spell?”

    Dumbledores invisibility is a very powerful Disillusionment charm, Harry has has a Disillusionment charm placed upon him.
    – – –
    “You say that like it’s unreasonable to ask for that, when it seems like an obvious thing to ask for during a debate imo”

    In order to put a piece of soul into an object, you need a piece of soul and an object. For that spell to work, those two things are a must.

    To enchant some gold to multiply, you need some gold.

    You are saying that because you need a piece of soul for one spell, i have to prove that every other spell doesn’t at least one other thing for them to work.

    When the whole point of that particular spell is that it needs those two things.

    To enchant the gold, i need the gold. You are trying to get me to prove that i don’t need somthing else. When nothing else would be required by that spell if you look at every other example of magic.

    Do you see why i think you are being stupid??? Do you understand??
    – – –
    “His powerful dark lady friend did. Probably.
    Why bother bringing this up anyways…? You still have to prove anyone in Hogwarts can do it, which you know you can’t do.”

    So you believe that this spell can only be performed by evil people? Hermione could name both spells that were on the gold. Your assumption that only Belatrix would know it and how to cast it are…….. ridiculous
    – – –
    “Has it ever worked on someone who can take a volcanic eruption to the face without passing out?”

    Has Riptide ever hurt a hogwarts student? No? must be completely useless here then… (I say it is anyway, but that is besides the point)
    – – –
    “Percy’s immune to poison for what it’s worth.
    And do you really consider those snakes “deadly” compared to what Percy has faced?”

    Everyone keeps banging on about Percy, there are at least like 30 other Demigods here too. Even if these methods dont work on him they are gonna fuck everyone else up.
    – – –
    “i tried using the very same PiS argument for why Percy never manipulated blood.”

    Percy not controling blood, if that ability is infact somthing he has the potential to do, would be CIS

    Harry Potter has people simply not using magic that would solve all their problems, because there needs to be a problem for the plot to happen.
    – – –
    “Can’t anyone do those two spells though?”

    Yes, yes they can.
    – – –
    “Except no one has EVER done 2 spells simultaneously.”

    It isnt doing 2 spells simultaneously, it is doing one spell, that constantly effects you, then doing another to move around. Many characters use magic while under the continuing effects of other magic.

  76. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 12:14 pm -      #76

    So, just read the OP. It says deceased and/or traitorous Demigods are allowed.
    —–
    Hogwarts, Kronos says hi.

  77. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #77

    @wingedlion
    “I’m simply saying he doesn’t know how. It never really occurred to him”

    And i can just as easily say it never occurred to Dumbledore to do the “Invisibility, teleport, assassinate” trick.
    So why would he in this match?
    And don’t give me that “but he’s old! so of course he already has enough common sense to do it!”
    No. Fuck that bullshit.

    “Here’s the thing though. From what i gather there is absolutely no reason why he can’t do it. ”

    You mean aside from no one in the series ever doing the basis of what that argument is being built on?
    I’m not just talking about those 2 specific spells, but no one has ever used ANY 2 spells simultaneously.
    So yea, we assume they can’t. That seems pretty standard to me.

    “And unlike Percy, we know experience isn’t a problem. ”

    I heavily heavily heavily disagree with this.
    Just because someone is old, does NOT mean he can think of every trick in the book.
    Look, if he’s never done it before, in situations where it would have been life or death… Then i’m going to say he can’t do it unless there’s actual PROOF of it.

    Calling something PiS needs a basis as far as i know, and none exists here.

    Be it lack of experience, lack of knowledge, CiS, PiS, whatever the case may be.
    He’s not doing it in this match any more than Percy is ripping out everyones blood.

    “Can’t anyone do those two spells though?”

    Doesn’t that just further support the fact that they can’t be done simultaneously?
    Or they would have been done by ANYONE during ANY struggle?

    @Ramkin
    “To enchant the gold, i need the gold. You are trying to get me to prove that i don’t need somthing else. When nothing else would be required by that spell if you look at every other example of magic.”

    While this example might seem accurate to you at first glance, it’s horribly off point.

    The Horcrux is about enchanting an object.
    BUT to enchant that object with that certain spell, you need a certain other ingredient, which happens to be a broken soul.

    Similarly, enchanting a piece of gold with a certain spell to have a certain effect can also require a certain ingredient. Which could happen to be literally anything.

    Similar to how potions require very specific blends or materials.
    Or the Sword of Gryffindor forexample. Do you think someone just pointed at a random sword and said one word? and bam! magical item a split second later!

    It comes down to YOU NOT FUCKING KNOWING.

    “Do you see why i think you are being stupid??? Do you understand??”

    The irony of this is making me laugh.

    “So you believe that this spell can only be performed by evil people? Hermione could name both spells that were on the gold. Your assumption that only Belatrix would know it and how to cast it are…….. ridiculous”

    Post the citation of Hermione naming those spells please.
    And yes, spells often take a lot of practice before casting successfully.
    Knowing its name doesn’t mean you can learn to cast it from scratch an hour later.
    You know this as well as i, yet you’re the one being ridiculous here.
    You’re assuming everyone with the least bit of experience knows every spell without proof caus shits & fucking giggles.

    “Has Riptide ever hurt a hogwarts student? No? must be completely useless here then… (I say it is anyway, but that is besides the point)”

    Well it kinda is useless on humans AFAIK. So i’m not sure what your point of this was.
    Sure, the spell can turn stone to dust… But Percy is far FAR more durable than stone.
    So to ask whether the spell would still work on something that durable is a viable question.

    “Everyone keeps banging on about Percy, there are at least like 30 other Demigods here too. ”

    We tend to discuss the part of the match which makes it a Roflstomp before discussing the less relevant points.
    Saves time.

    “Percy not controling blood, if that ability is infact somthing he has the potential to do, would be CIS”

    Why the fuck would that be a CiS? Because he doesn’t like killing?
    You talk as if Dumbledore is a trigger happy lunatic that would happily teleport around (while invisible) assassinating everyone he sees.

    “because there needs to be a problem for the plot to happen”

    THIS EXACT SENTENCE can be used to explain Percys lack of using Blood Control.
    It’s beyond me how you don’t see the hypocrisy of your argument.

    “Many characters use magic while under the continuing effects of other magic.”

    Again, the only examples that come to mind are potions. Not spells you cast yourself.

    There’s no evidence of anyone ever casting any spell while invisible.
    Despite it being a huge HUGE tide turner in EVERY scenario ever.
    Calling 99.9% of a novels scenarios PiS, and stating that there should be no problem using that very same strategy in a debate is bullshit.
    And it’s WORSE than saying Percy can control blood in a match, because Percy is ONE person. Whereas in the HP universe almost anyone can use these 2 spells.

  78. wingedlion March 29, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #78

    @Ragnorke
    “And don’t give me that “but he’s old! so of course he already has enough common sense to do it!”
    No. Fuck that bullshit.”

    From what i’m aware of, isn’t he one of if not the most experienced wizard in the books?

    “Just because someone is old, does NOT mean he can think of every trick in the book.
    Look, if he’s never done it before, in situations where it would have been life or death… Then i’m going to say he can’t do it unless there’s actual PROOF of it.”

    This isn’t some new spell he’s thinking of though. Unlike Percy, these two spells already exist. This isn’t some complex tactic.
    Isn’t apparating a common spell that wizards use? I don’t see why Dumbledore would all of a sudden stop using it when he turns invisible.
    Hence PIS.

    “PiS, whatever the case may be.”

    Well, no, that part is wrong. PIS is taken out of the equation.

    “Why the fuck would that be a CiS? Because he doesn’t like killing?”

    No, because he doesn’t know how to do it.
    This is a main plot point with Percy. He does not know everything that he can do.

    “THIS EXACT SENTENCE can be used to explain Percys lack of using Blood Control.”

    It really can’t though. Like not at all.
    There’s a legitimate reason for why he can’t do that. He doesn’t know how to.
    Dumbledore knows these two spells. And if apparating is a common tactic, I don’t see why he would stop using it when he turns invisible.

    Furthermore, from what i understand, anyone can use these two spells.
    So why would that provide an advantage to Dumbledore in the books if anyone can do it?

    @Nsi
    “Hogwarts, Kronos says hi.”

    I thought he was a titan?

  79. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 12:55 pm -      #79

    “I’m not just talking about those 2 specific spells, but no one has ever used ANY 2 spells simultaneously.”

    Please, please, PLEASE, explain what you mean by “simultaneously”, Becuase if you mean two spells coming out of a wand at the same time, then you are THE DENSEST MOTHERFUCKER on the planet. Since nobody has even REMOTELY suggested such a thing,

    Dumbledore can cast a charm that makes him self invisible.

    Dumbledore can instantly move from place to place, via apparition

    He places the charm upon himself, and THEN (note the THEN, its very important as it adds procedural context) apparates.

    Dumbledore is in part, responsible for the protective charms around the school, they are always there. Yet he remains able to cast spells. Therefore having a charm going in no way effects your ability to keep casting spells

    If you mean he can not cast a spell while he is under the effect of another spell, there are various instances of people still being able to cast magic while an enchantment is placed upon them.
    – – –
    That is literally as far as i got into your comment, i will read the rest later as i have to walk my dogs now, G’day.

  80. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 12:55 pm -      #80

    “From what i’m aware of, isn’t he one of if not the most experienced wizard in the books?”

    Being the most experienced person in a fiction where NO ONE has ever done a certain thing, doesn’t mean that you can either.

    “This isn’t some new spell he’s thinking of though. Unlike Percy, these two spells already exist. This isn’t some complex tactic.”

    Look, the water in blood is just a mixture. Not a Solution.
    Meaning it’s still perfectly just water, with crap floating in it.
    It still has the exact same molecular composition that regular water has.

    Proof of Percy controlling it ALREADY exists. And it is NO MORE of a complex tactic than controlling regular water.

    Yet everyone insisted over & over again that he should not be allowed to do it in a debate because his CHARACTER has never done it in the novels.
    Due to either CiS or the character never having thought of it.
    Those EXACT two arguments can be made against Dumbledore too.

    Being a wise old experienced Wizard doesn’t mean you can think of everything, and it doesn’t make you the greatest war/battle strategist. Nor does it mean you’re going to do something in a debate that you’ve never done before.

    The reason i always start a Superman debate with a “can the other person survive a speedblitz?” is because Superman HAS demonstrated that tactic before.
    It IS in his character to do it when he feels threatened or pissed off.
    Dumbledore has never demonstrated the tactic you people are suggesting. No one has.
    And that’s AFTER assuming it’s even doable.

    Look, if every single battle & fight sequence in the HPverse needs to be called PiS (since they never use invisibility + spells)… To justify the use of a tactic that no one has even demonstrated to begin with… You’re pulling on some major straws.
    Get my point?

    “Isn’t apparating a common spell that wizards use? I don’t see why Dumbledore would all of a sudden stop using it when he turns invisible.”

    Because no one has ever used a spell while invisible. Ever.

    “No, because he doesn’t know how to do it.
    This is a main plot point with Percy. He does not know everything that he can do.”

    He DOES know he can control water.
    You mean to tell me Percy doesn’t know Blood is mostly just a mixture of Water?
    Seriously?
    If you insist on calling Percy that Stupid, i will simply call Dumbledore that stupid. See how far that takes us.

    “There’s a legitimate reason for why he can’t do that. He doesn’t know how to.”

    Bull Shit.
    He should know he can control blood just as much as Dumblefore should know he can cast spells while invisible.
    They’re both fucking obvious, and neither of them have any reason for not doing it aside from CiS or PiS.
    Which applies to both of them equally.
    Unless you think Percy is an idiot but Dumbledore is a genius… Althoug dumbledore has never done anything to suggest he’s a genius… Whereas Percy is often called an excellent battle strategist

    “Furthermore, from what i understand, anyone can use these two spells.”

    Once again, you’re calling every fight in HP PiS, to justify a tactic that no one in HP has ever shown.
    That’s not reasonable at all, and i have no idea why you would think it is.

  81. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 1:01 pm -      #81

    “Hogwarts, Kronos says hi.”

    This must be one strange-ass universe if Zeus’ dad is only a demi-god.
    =
    I think we need more information about Percy’s “magic resistance” other than the one quote about magic kinda-failing against him. If what Ramkin says is true, and he has been turned into a guinea pig-hamster-whatever, it kinda lends itself to the idea that his magic resistance isn’t perfect. Especially when we have no idea what the spell was that was used on Percy.
    =
    People seem to forget that Arresto Momentum nullifies a decent portion, if not all, of any speed advantage Camp Half-Blood may have, and apparently it’s a second-year spell you learn in Charms class. (Also seems like a decent way to deal with any really big thing like a tidal wave although I’d guess you’d need many people to deal with that).
    =
    Question: how many people are in “camp half-blood”?

  82. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 1:08 pm -      #82

    Just ran out of time to edit.
    =
    “Because no one has ever used a spell while invisible. Ever.”

    Harry, Ron, and Hermione use the Disillusionment Charm fairly regulary while hunting Horcruxes, and they can definitely use magic while inside the invisible area.

  83. Nsl98 March 29, 2015 at 1:15 pm -      #83

    No, long story short:
    —-
    Luke Castellan, deceased, was Kronos’ Avatar. Kronos and Luke shared a body. He has time powers.
    —-
    @Aelfinn
    About a couple hundred.

  84. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #84

    “Harry, Ron, and Hermione use the Disillusionment Charm fairly regulary while hunting Horcruxes, and they can definitely use magic while inside the invisible area.”

    Can you post em?
    I don’t remember them ever using anything while invisible.
    Aside from the times they poke their wands out of the cloak.

  85. Commander Cross March 29, 2015 at 1:31 pm -      #85

    Doesn’t Percy require Bloodlust or Despair to contemplate on twisting and warping someone’s very bloodstream, let alone whole groups at once? -___-

    —-

    I have Half a mind to strangle you all for not factoring in Veela-blooded folks in a fight like this.(They’re the only Casual (Low) Super-Humans I’d know of as a Species.)
    If we have to claim that all of Hogwarts has Casual (LOW) Super-Humans, we may as well claim Richard Rahl from Sword of Truth is a Casual Superhuman, I’ve no idea how to explain what’s troubling with the picture.

    Copies of The Sword of Godric Gryffindor could also be possible and it’d be a matter of having them in the right hands.

    I really hope all the First Years have Evacuated, the Second Years too.

    If Jason of New Rome is included, well we’re not gonna include All of New Rome in there hopefully unless one wants to fathom Beauxbatons and Durmstrang, which might Escalate this into World War Neo : The Supernatural Version if we do that, and I’d rather we not go there.

    Both sides have possibilities on how to kill each other, and equally as many to male (The Original) Merlin Facepalm for it, but is this thread supposed to be as Horrible as the Comic Vine version if not even worse?

    I thought we’re more organized than this.

    I grant you the parts I’ve noted on the Veela-blooded folks is more from The Lore itself rather than Modern Potter-world showings, I get that the Medieval Times are far Harsher and more honest about the fact, but seriously some of the Potter-world creatures that aren’t House-Elves get short-changed or short-charged times beyond counting.

    —-

    One thing we can all agree on:

    The Dursleys and Gabe Ugliano are Walking Discredits to Humanity, ‘Vanilla’ Mortal or otherwise and may we all agree to this point if nothing else, Amen to that everyone?

    We can also agree that Fudge is a Bloody Moron as well, too, anything else we can also agree on like Aphy Girls x Veela-blooded Females making out sounds like fun? 😛

  86. Amm0vamp1r3 March 29, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #86

    My money is on camp half blood

  87. wingedlion March 29, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #87

    “Yet everyone insisted over & over again that he should not be allowed to do it in a debate because his CHARACTER has never done it in the novels.
    Due to either CiS or the character never having thought of it.
    Those EXACT two arguments can be made against Dumbledore too.”

    The thing is, people do use teleportation as a very common tactic.
    I get what your saying, and i would completely agree, but because teleportation is a common tactic in HP, there is logical no reason to forget your bread and butter under an invisibility spell.
    If both of these spells were really rare spells that people almost never use, i would totally see your point.
    But apparation is common. And while i’m not sure if invisibility is( and you can probably argue that it’s not, i don’t really know), there is absolutely no reason for them to just up an forget that they can teleport when they are invisible, since that is a basic tactic.
    Hence why i say that it’s PIS.

    “Because no one has ever used a spell while invisible. Ever.”

    And yet, if apparation is a very common tactic used in battle, and they don’t apparate while invisible for no apparent reason despite it being a normal tactic, that’s pretty much PIS. Cause there’s absolutely no reason why they wouldn’t think of teleporting when it’s a casual option they almost always use.

    “He DOES know he can control water.
    You mean to tell me Percy doesn’t know Blood is mostly just a mixture of Water?
    Seriously?”

    Of course he knows he can control water. But characters don’t always think of the true scope of what they are capable of in the middle of battle. That’s the point of experience. That’s why Percy gets stronger and stronger as the series progress. Percy doesn’t start out thinking that he can control any type of water anywhere. He eventually starts learning that. So it’s nowhere near as outlandish to think that he hasn’t thought about controlling blood.

    “Once again, you’re calling every fight in HP PiS, to justify a tactic that no one in HP has ever shown.”

    ….The fuck?
    How did you figure i was calling every fight in HP PIS from that one qoute alone?
    I’m not saying that. I’m saying if anyone can use these two spells, then dumbledore not using it all the time is not PIS because it would give him no advantage in a fight. Because everyone can do it.

  88. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 1:48 pm -      #88

    “Luke Castellan, deceased, was Kronos’ Avatar. Kronos and Luke shared a body. He has time powers.”

    But then doesn’t that make him a God? If we keep Luke but take away Kronos, doesn’t that mean Luke just doesn’t have any powers anymore, because, you know, when he uses powers it’s just Kronos using powers?
    =
    “About a couple hundred.”

    J.K. Rowling has, I believe, said that there’s about a thousand students at Hogwarts, so Hogwarts has a numbers advantage. Once a CHB-er is slowed down, if not outright stopped, through Arresto Momentum, I have to assume that a member of Hogwarts has the advantage over a member of CHB. They may find it difficult to kill them, but any of the ways I mentioned should make it easy to take them out of the fight (so long as the CHB-er isn’t right next to the student). I’m assuming, of course, that most of the demi-gods aren’t at the level of Percy’s relatively unreliable magic-resistance, nor at his destructive capacity. I’m also assuming that the CHB-ers can’t run around so fast as to be un-targetable, but with all this in mind, I can’t help but feel Hogwarts has the advantage.

  89. Commander Cross March 29, 2015 at 1:53 pm -      #89

    Correct me if I’m wrong (SINCE NONE OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO GET BACK TO ME ON SOME MATTERS LIKE POSTS #18 OR #85 ANYWAY!) but don’t having to utter the Unforgivable Curses aloud rather than Non-verbally speaking fall under P.I.S rather than any inability to Cast Spells Non-verbally?

    It might require Bloodlust or Despair to contemplate such ideas, but still with those, there’s likely quicker spells to use than those.

    Like I noted before, replace ‘Raditz’ with Veela-blooded folk, and you’d also realize no one got back to me in terms of how much Veela-blooded folk are Percy, Nico, Thalia or Jason of New Rome worth per person based on Supernatural Firepower or Hax alone.
    Not to say that Physical Prowess isn’t gonna play a role, but if you don’t have enough Supernatural Firepower, the rest could fail.

    —-

    Also hoping to not Mis-recall stuff, but what makes anyone so sure that the Hecate/Hekate Cabin don’t have an Unlimited Magic Score per person unless it’s more a Sanity-based thing they’re not going with it?
    They didn’t say whether or not they do in The Son of Magic but still.
    Any Potter-world Magic user I’d recall would have Unlimited Magic, but how many of them have enough Martial or Magical Combat Training required to actually fight at least Casual (Low) Superhumans, again?

    If the Fantastic Beasts movie ever gets released, we’d need to see IF anyone has Combat Experience fighting Veela-blooded folks, particularly Purebred Veela or Half-Veela Folks.
    Aside from hoping said Movie is nothing short of Worthwhile in itself, it also needs to get back to us on better addressing the Non-House Elf Creatures in general that weren’t addressed in the Movies or even in the Novels.

    Also again I will ask this, how many of us go on Pottermore by chance?

    @Councilor Aelfinn at #88

    Luke Castellean Still Has River Styx Enhancements in some of his last living incarnations, PLUS there’s an off-chance him learning how to Gate in and Gate out of Given Areas is done a lot more rapidly due to River Styx Enhancements as well.
    Going on what I’ve recalled on Percy developing Powers a lot quicker than anyone expects of him when he had River Styx Enhancements in person.
    Even without Styx Enhancements, The Hermes Cabin has Casual Superhuman/Enhanced Mobility to begin with, and some of them can even teleport Mines from out of a given location and into somewhere else when needed.

    Just How many of the Hogwarts Staff and Students are Prepared to go and Bathe in Wounded Dragon’s Blood to counter Styx Enhancements again?

  90. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 1:56 pm -      #90

    “Yet everyone insisted over & over again that he should not be allowed to do it in a debate because his CHARACTER has never done it in the novels.”

    Yes, and Percy is the main character, we see literally everything he does, we are given direct input from his point of view and we KNOW that nothing ever indicates that Percy can control blood, he never feels the presence of it in people, when he bleeds his own blood doesn’t give him a power up. Nothing even remotely like blood control ever comes up even though it is mostly water.

    On the other hand we know very little about Dumbledore other than that he is generally said to be the greatest wizard of all time. And your assertion that because we don’t see anybody turn themselves invisible and then apparate means that is is entirely impossibly for anybody to think of it and that it has NEVER been done before is nonsense.

    We follow Harrys point of view we know EXACTLY what Harry is capable of beacuse he is the main focus of the story at all times. But using Harrys experience to make generalisations about the entire wizzarding world is madness

    Hermione does things that Harry has never even attempted. Or even thought of attempting.
    – – –
    “(SINCE NONE OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO GET BACK TO ME ON SOME MATTERS LIKE POSTS #18 OR #85 ANYWAY!)”

    Wow, your posts literally just appeared, sorry.

  91. LadyRamkin March 29, 2015 at 1:57 pm -      #91

    “(SINCE NONE OF YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO GET BACK TO ME ON SOME MATTERS LIKE POSTS #18 OR #85 ANYWAY!)”

    Wow, your posts literally just appeared, sorry.

  92. KalaDellexe March 29, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #92

    Ye, if Luke is here and hosting Kronos, Hogwarts is screwed. Styx enchantment, giant scythe (which can actually hit mortals), time slows, and iirc casual building destruction feats EVERYWHERE.

  93. Aelfinn March 29, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #93

    “Can you post em?”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDcz02lEfi4

    Proof their camp is set up to be invisible.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHPqO0UnaW8

    Just before 11:47, Hermione shows she’s setting up camp, and right after that (though likely not the same day, they use a bunch of spells trying to get rid of the Horcrux. At 12:05, Harry uses a spell while inside the camp.
    =
    The thing about using spells from inside the invisibility to outside the invisibility is that it kinda gives away your position. Most of the times invisibility is being used in-series, the invisible person isn’t trying to kill anyone.

  94. Limbo Lowk March 29, 2015 at 2:11 pm -      #94

    “That really doesn’t suggest superhuman RT.
    Forexample, F1 cars are blurs, and the drivers can still “react” while driving them.”

    Being able to catch the tiny golden thing(snitch?) would at least hint at peak human. So if wizards are doing that dodging spells actually becomes a bit more understandable then them just being slow. Well they still be relatively slow to people like percy but y’all get what I’m saying.
    ===
    This match makes me want to try Beacon from RWBY vs CHB. Or maybe just the regular groups from both sides vs each other.

  95. Commander Cross March 29, 2015 at 2:15 pm -      #95

    @Limbo Lowk at #93

    The Students of Beacon Academy vs The Puella Magi of Japan could have Promise and Potential if I can just find Group Images for the latter that represent far more than just ‘The Mitakihara 5′(Fan Nickname for the 5 from the Main Anime.) and include the Puella Magi of Japan from the Manga Spin-offs as well.
    I’m pretty sure the ones from Kazumi Magica would be very reliable and all that jazz myself, but that’s a matter for another time.

    —-

    What, no love for The Knights of The Round Table?
    I’m pretty sure there’s versions of that group that can duke it out with either of the two sides in here and not get turned to plasma or ashes for it, the trick is to find and weed them out somehow.

    A Knights of The Round Table Group Incarnation Battle Royale may be in order, I can tell.

    Some Interpretations for Some Versions of the Knighthood would also be Legacy Beings as well in CHB Terms, or at least some of the individual Knights within the Specified versions the last I checked.
    The Trick is to find out which versions are Especially Good Enough to warrant a group fight like this, and which ones would be better-left at the backburner.

  96. Limbo Lowk March 29, 2015 at 2:25 pm -      #96

    Cross I have no clue about either of the fictions you mentioned but if more teenagers battling to the death for the pride of thier school/camp(battle royal style) means rwby and possibly young avengers/xmen can get legit fights, I’m for it.
    EDIT
    lol, Eff proper sentence structure. I even forgot the period.

  97. Commander Cross March 29, 2015 at 2:38 pm -      #97

    @Limbo Lowk at #95

    :|’ I mentioned a Manga Spin-off somewhere in Post #94, and I see now I’ll likely have to go and send a Combat Request intended to weed out The Strongest Versions of The Knights of The Round Table worth suggesting as a matter of fact.

    The last time I checked, Arthur’s Very Best Knights would go like this:

    1.) Sir Galahad
    2.) Sir Lancelot(Galahad’s dad)
    3.) Sir Tristan

    Everywhere else, I forgot about in some of the Specified Orders of Physical Prowess or Martial Skill with Weapons and/or Powers. T_T;

    Another reason for me to go gun for a Group Battle Royale right there, I want to find out which versions of that group can fight in group fights like this without stomping or getting stomped all over the place for it.

    Is anyone willing to help me for a group fight like that, by chance?

    I’d highly appreciate it, no lies about it.

    In the meantime, is Side B allowed some amounts of Veela-blooded folks to go gather around by chance?

    Also, how many on Side B are even willing to go taste their own blood if they ever considered that idea?
    The reason behind that second question is that I’d note the Ares and Athena Cabins have the Resolve to do that, and a lot of the Ares cabin may even like the taste to say the least.

    If you are not flat-out disgusted on the taste of your own blood and would instead at minimum just go ‘meh’ on the taste, you are going to be far more useful on the Front-lines than first glances suggest.

  98. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 3:20 pm -      #98

    @wingedlion
    “I get what your saying, and i would completely agree, but because teleportation is a common tactic in HP, there is logical no reason to forget your bread and butter under an invisibility spell.”

    To be fair, Dumbledore has never used apparation mid combat either.
    Most of the Death Eaters & Order do it, but Dumbledore never has.
    Further suggesting it isn’t in his character to be a very mobile fighter.

    It’s like saying a really heavy hitting boxer that always stands his ground would be dancing around the ring instead.
    And then further going on to say he would use a very rare punching technique that he has never done before. Infact, a technique that pretty much no boxer has done before.
    Sure it’s possible… But WHY would we assume that in a debate? Instead of assuming he acts the way his character acts?

    “But apparation is common. And while i’m not sure if invisibility is( and you can probably argue that it’s not, i don’t really know), there is absolutely no reason for them to just up an forget that they can teleport when they are invisible, ”

    Making yourself invisible is not common AT ALL.
    Towards the later books, Harry and team like to make their camps invisible, or use his cloak.
    But a spell to make yourself invisible? i think there’s literally only one instance of Albus using that… And it wasn’t in combat… Nor did he use any other spells.

    Funnily enough, every time harry and co moved camps, they had to RESET all the invisibility/cloaking spells.
    Implying teleporting does in fact remove the effects.

    Actually… I coulda sworn the invisibility was an area based spell, not a character based one.
    It can cover a significant area, sure, but that doesn’t change the spells nature.
    Is there any instance of someone making THEMSELVES invisible, without effecting the surrounding area, and moving around? (without the cloak of course)

    “and they don’t apparate while invisible for no apparent reason despite it being a normal tactic, that’s pretty much PIS. ”

    They don’t turn invisible at all during combat. That’s my point.
    The only times its been done was when invisibility spells were already set around their camps from previous nights.
    I dunno about you, but i think EVERY fight in EVERY HP book could be settled better if invisibility was utilized. But it’s not.
    Meaning you would be calling EVERY fight in EVERY HP book PiS too.
    Catch my drift?

    “Of course he knows he can control water. But characters don’t always think of the true scope of what they are capable of in the middle of battle.”

    That’s funny.
    You just said characters don’t always think of the true scope of what they’re capable of mid battle…
    Yet for some reason you think Dumbledore will think to cloak himself, teleport around, and assassinate people, while staying invisible…
    Something that no one has done in the series, and Dumbledore would probably be the LAST person to do something like that considering his character & combat style.
    See the irony in that?

    ” then dumbledore not using it all the time is not PIS because it would give him no advantage in a fight. Because everyone can do it.”

    Wait wait wait…
    You’re saying that no one turns invisible because everyone can turn invisible?
    That’s silly and you should know better.
    Just because someone else can turn invisible, doesn’t mean they can see you while cloaked.
    It still offers a HUGE advantage to whoever utilizes it better.
    It’s not like being able to do it means you can counter anyone else doing it.

  99. Jake_Uzumaki March 29, 2015 at 3:25 pm -      #99

    “I think we need more information about Percy’s “magic resistance” other than the one quote about magic kinda-failing against him. If what Ramkin says is true, and he has been turned into a guinea pig-hamster-whatever, it kinda lends itself to the idea that his magic resistance isn’t perfect. Especially when we have no idea what the spell was that was used on Percy.”

    Well the person who turned him into a guinea pig is a goddess of magic in his universe, a lesser one than Hecate but a goddess of magic nonetheless. I would assume that in a world where Artemis can make constellations that a goddess of magic would be more magically potent than the entirety of Hogwarts population.

    There’s also the quote that Demigods in general are harder to enchant than mortals. Children of the big 3 might be slightly more resistant but I’m not sure.
    ———–
    personally I think the origin of the magic has something to do with it too. Greek magic understands a Greek Demigod better than Egyptian Magic or Merlinian/British Magic which see the strange..for lack of a better word..alien god genetics+human as indecipherable.
    This is somewhat backed up by Percy saying that the Egyptian Crocodile monster should have instantly turned to dust the way the last few Greek monsters he had fought had.

  100. Ragnorke March 29, 2015 at 3:30 pm -      #100

    @Aelfinn
    “J.K. Rowling has, I believe, said that there’s about a thousand students at Hogwarts, so Hogwarts has a numbers advantage. ”

    Nico summons zombie peeps with guns that can’t really die. You should probably keep that in mind.

    ” Once a CHB-er is slowed down, if not outright stopped, through Arresto Momentum, I have to assume that a member of Hogwarts has the advantage over a member of CHB. ”

    Doesn’t Arresto Momentum (like most other spells) require line of sight at the very least? And of course the reaction time to begin casting it?

    So once Hogwarts is flooded (which will most certainly happen due to its location), i don’t think anyone’s going to get a clear shot at a supersonic swimmer shredding through people.
    Andddd then consider that his sword can break down bridges.
    Anddddddd then consider that he doesn’t really need his sword OR his hands, since he can just make the water choke the fuck out of you with a million newtons.

    To be honest, he really doesn’t even need to enter the school.
    He can make his water rise up to 350ft (35 stories) tall, and can solidify it all.
    He can then make it crash down at a rate proportional to his superhuman speed (which would be several times higher than gravity)

    “but with all this in mind, I can’t help but feel Hogwarts has the advantage.”

    There’s still like zero counter to Percy though…
    We haven’t even started discussing Nico.

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