Ganta Vs Ken Kaneki

Ganta Vs Ken Kaneki

Suggested by The Unkown Soldier.

Ganta, first time here (Deadman Wonderland) goes up against Ken Kaneki, first time here (Tokyo Ghoul).

Both are Fighting on the City of Tokyo at 9:30 PM.

Who Wins?

Why?

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27 Comments on "Ganta Vs Ken Kaneki"

  1. Rookie March 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm -      #1

    Feats for Kaneki (after other guy tortured him for entire week):

  2. Rookie March 4, 2015 at 1:32 am -      #2

    Feats for Ganta:

  3. Belisaurius March 5, 2015 at 10:40 am -      #3

    As powerful as Ganta’s blood bullet is, he’s simply outclassed by Kaneki’s speed, toughness, and most importantly regeneration. Even if Ganta lands hits Kaneki will just regenerate the damage and keep coming.

  4. Kokiris March 5, 2015 at 11:27 am -      #4

    @Rookie

    The YouTube video you linked for Ganta’s fight with Crow is blocked, at least here in the U.S. Not entirely sure if it’s just California, but the message is as follows. “This video contains content from Funimation Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.”

    Onto the match, well first of all, my initial bets, before I decide to go off and extensively research each of these combatants are with Ganta, although he appears to have average human speed in the anime, I think that his speed feats will most likely pull him through this match. Not sure if Ken has feats for dodging projectiles that travel at supersonic speeds. This match makes me think… great melee vs great range.

  5. Kokiris March 5, 2015 at 12:18 pm -      #5

    To give anyone who might be curious, but hasn’t seen Deadman Wonderland or Tokyo Ghoul a general idea of each of their general abilities, I provide you all two links.

    Ganta Igarashi deadmanwonderland.wikia.com/wiki/Ganta_Igarashi#Abilities

    Ken Kaneki
    tokyoghoul.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Kaneki#Powers_and_Abilities

    Keep in mind that I’m not bringing these links in here as actual evidence, feats, etc etc. It’s here to give anyone who is ignorant a general idea of each of the combatants. When I do a full post on the match, I’ll provide links to manga page scans, anime episodes, because that’s a legitimate source. These are just to give a general idea. Apologies for double posting.

  6. Polloloko March 6, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #6

    Dont Mind Me -_-
    Just Passing By -_-
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    Wow, this Site has gone Down Hill since the Years I have Gone…… Im Touched X3.

    Anyway:

    Bios:
    Ganta is a Deadman, whit the Power of the Branch Sins that gives him the Ability to Manipulate his own Blood as a Weapon ( Projectiles ).

    Kaneki was a Normal Boy, but now he is a Half Human Half Ghoul, giving him the Abilitys & Powers of a Ghoul, but by bieng a Half Both he is more Powerfull than any Normal Ghoul.

    Status:
    Both Ganta & Kaneki are Meta Humans to Superhuman Level.

    Kaneki have Low Sound to Subsonic Speed, Have wall Level Strength & have Steel Level Durability.

    Ganta have Meta Human Near Superhuman STrength, Speed & have the Durability to Survive a Little Nuclear Like Explosion Head on in the End of Deadman Wonderland.

    Kaneki is a Monster in Close Range = Ganta is Screwed there.

    Ganta is a Long Range Beast = Will make a bad day to Kaneki.

    Ganta migth survive 3 to 4 of Kaneki’s attacks.

    Ganta’s Attacks are Nearly Half City Block Level whit Subsonic Speed.

    Kaneki’s Attacks are Boulding Level.

    One Attack of Ganta will live Kaneki in Bad Shape, the same could be said to Ganta if he gets hit by Kaneki’s Attacks.

    Both have a Healing Factor, Ganta’s have some Limits, & Kaneki’s took some little Time to Regenerate some losing limbs but he heals preaty fast in comperation to Ganta.

    Both are Smart, but Kaneki is much more Smarter than Ganta.

    Verdic:
    A Battle betwen these two will be Incredible, whit Kaneki having an Edge on everything and Superirity to Ganta, but thanks to Ganta’s Experience figthing powerfull Deadmens in Wonderland Prision, he migth put more of a Figth to Kaneki & migth give him an edge over Kaneki, then theres Ganta’s Attacks like Ganta Gun ( That will Hurt Kaneki badly ) Ganta Canon ( That Migth Finish Kaneki off ) that will be a threat for Kaneki, Kaneki’s Attacks are Even Deadly for Ganta too.
    Ganta will try to Heal but the problem will be that Human Blood have a Limit & will make him weaker every second he heals, in diference to Kaneki that can Regenerate but loosing limbs will take like 30 seconds and that migth be a problem for Kaneki cuz Ganta will keep attacking whit some of his Powerfull Attacks like Ganta Canon……Thats another Problem for Ganta as well cuz Ganta’s Attacks are based of his own Blood, if he lose a lot of it….he will die, he can only use his Ganta Guns 4 to 5 Times, his Ganta Canon 2 to 3 Times….., were Kaneki’s Attacks are Limitless.

    Its very hard to pick a Winner here, Both have what it takes to take the other down for the count.
    Ganta did Beat Shiro ( The Redman ) who was the Most Powerfull Deadmen in Deadman Wonderland Universe, but Kaneki keeps geting Powerfull cuz Ghouls everytime they Eat & Battle they become more Powerfull.

    I say…. Ganta Migth Win cuz of Shiro ( The Redman ) being = Shiro ( Redman ) >> Tokyo Ghoul.

    But that will be Underestimating the Ghoul Cast cuz a Lot of Ghouls can Solo the Deadman Wonderland World alone = Kaneki >> Deadman World.

    It depends alot, but in Reality…… Kaneki Ken will be the Winner!!!

    Very Nice Match Up if you ask me.

  7. Kokiris March 7, 2015 at 12:30 pm -      #7

    What are their starting points? Are they starting anywhere near each other? Or are they starting a few yards away from each other? Are they miles away from each other, a few feet away from each other? This piece of information is extremely crucial.

    Ganta destroys a massive sphere statue that is about to crush him and shiro with his Ganta Gun seconds before it lands he obliterates it with one shot. Episode 1 19:05-19:50, Chapter 1 page 67 Curious on whether or not this counts as PIS. I personally don’t think it does, but I’d like to see the opinions of others.

    Manga: www.mangareader.net/666-33035-67/deadman-wonderland/chapter-1.html
    Anime: kissanime.com/Anime/Deadman-Wonderland-Dub/Episode-001?id=88190

    Legitimate building-level destructive force here, this was the first time he ever used his Branch of Sin. The question here is, if Ganta could land a shot with this much force on Kaneki, would he be able to tank it and regenerate, or would he be completely liquefied to the point where regeneration is nigh impossible? This was at close range mind you and that is exactly where Kaneki will be in the most danger in this fight, if he’s facing this much destructive force at that range, then his reliance on melee combat to stomp Ganta is quickly going to get him incapacitated/annihilated. Ganta has the reflex’s and speed feats to land a shot like this if Kaneki decides to rush him. Not to mention, like in this scene he will be in fear of imminent death which may very well bring out this destructive capability once again.

  8. Kokiris March 8, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #8

    Ganta has quick Reflex’s. Does this count as PIS? Episode 2 19:05-19:42 & 20:44-22:00, Chapter 3 page 34-38.

    Manga:
    www.mangareader.net/666-33037-34/deadman-wonderland/chapter-3.html
    www.mangareader.net/666-33037-35/deadman-wonderland/chapter-3.html
    www.mangareader.net/666-33037-36/deadman-wonderland/chapter-3.html
    www.mangareader.net/666-33037-37/deadman-wonderland/chapter-3.html
    www.mangareader.net/666-33037-38/deadman-wonderland/chapter-3.html
    Anime: kissanime.com/Anime/Deadman-Wonderland-Dub/Episode-002?id=88191

    Ganta fires his Ganta gun at the wretched egg, when it lands it causes a large shockwave as well as an impact crater around the area where the wretched egg is standing. Chapter 4 Page 32, Episode 3 8:45

    Manga: www.mangareader.net/666-33038-32/deadman-wonderland/chapter-4.html
    Anime: kissanime.com/Anime/Deadman-Wonderland-Dub/Episode-003?id=88192

    This simply furthers the fact that Ganta’s Ganta gun is pretty fucking powerful. If it wasn’t the wretched egg tanking that shot and it was Kaneki, Kaneki might not be able to regenerate the damage that might cause, not to mention the fact that it may have been approaching the speed of sound and it was at longer range than with the sphere ball statue. I’m citing this not as an example of Ganta’s efficiency with his branch of sin, but more or less as a measurement of its destructive capability which is obviously quite high. This is very VERY early on in the story mind you so he gets much more efficient at avoiding acute blood loss. His most powerful incarnation at the end of the Manga will show just how much he can do.

    More feats for the Ganta gun! Ganta fires at crow, Crow tries to block, but Ganta’s blood bullet goes right through his exceptionally hard crow claws, it’s slowed to the point where it doesn’t kill him, but it does still crack his sternum. Episode 4 7:28 Chapter 6 Page 13

    Manga: www.mangareader.net/666-33040-13/deadman-wonderland/chapter-6.html
    Anime: kissanime.com/Anime/Deadman-Wonderland-Dub/Episode-004?id=88193

    This simply furthers my point that Ganta’s ganta gun can pwn.

    Ganta VS Crow Episode 5 Chapter 7
    9:20 – 10:04 Ganta falls about 2 and a half stories then takes an array of slices from Crow at mid-range, furthering his blood loss from firing 7 blood bullets previously. He continues breathing after this, shockingly. 12:56 Ganta gets back up and continues the fight… somehow. 13:54 Ganta fires another blood bullet, this time at the hanging loud speaker high above crow, nailing a long range shot with great precision. 14:03 somehow between 13:54 and 14:03 Ganta sprints like a madman and manages to close the gap between himself and crow, almost beating the falling loud speaker to him, this allows him to fire at Crow’s cracked sternum once more at point blank. Moves pretty fast for someone suffering from acute blood loss. This brings his shot count to a total of 9 by the end of this match. This fight is pretty much just one big ass feat for Ganta’s overall endurance, durability, speed and accuracy.

    Manga: www.mangareader.net/666-33041-17/deadman-wonderland/chapter-7.html
    Page 17-43
    Anime: kissanime.com/Anime/Deadman-Wonderland-Dub/Episode-005?id=88194
    6:30 – 14:31

  9. Nsl98 March 8, 2015 at 8:31 pm -      #9

    @Kokiris

    Are you the Unknown Soldier?

  10. Kokiris March 8, 2015 at 9:29 pm -      #10

    @Nsl98 Actually, no, I’m not but I’m grateful to him for suggesting this match. Gave me a good reason to watch Tokyo Ghoul. Anyway, I’m just really into this battle… /-\

  11. Polloloko March 9, 2015 at 4:12 pm -      #11

    @Kokiris.
    Well I watched the hall Deadman Wonderland Series & I am at the End of Tokyo Ghoul and in the Latest Tokyo Ghoul RE.

    so…. you are showing some Ganta Feats, then I have to show some of Kaneki’s Feats, cuz this battle I allready Research It and its very well Evenly Match whit both of them having what it takes to take the other out = Whit Kaneki living as the Winner, Ganta’s Downfall will be Kaneki’s Healing Factor & Superiority in alot of aspects like Strength Speed Durability Reaction etc.
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    I will Find some scans for Kaneki.

    Kaneki vs. Ayato: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpCtFjAdqGY
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    Kaneki in his Centipide / Kaguya Form ( Out of Control = First Time ): www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FqZhPCTyzg

    Later in the Manga he knows how to control his Centipide / Kaguya Kagune Forms & use it, whitout Transforming into that Beast.
    38.media.tumblr.com/acdec6229d6ce7dea360867b7db7d2b6/tumblr_naj750DiuV1saqc1ko1_r2_500.gif
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    Kaneki’s Durability when he is Torture by Jason: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q03VoyHjhGw

    Note that when Kaneki’s bieng torture by Jason, Thats Kaneki before Accepting his Ghoul Power & Persona, Meaning thats Kaneki in his Weakest Form = When he gets his White Hair “Accepted that he is a Ghoul” he is powers goes off the charts.
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    Kaneki’s Wounds that were Heal / Regenerate whit his powers: i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/Shmebulock96/17d47943fbf2b2110a5f298dc88065380ed78ee8_zps1012ff8a.jpg
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    2.bp.blogspot.com/-LpAohdiHO9s/U_M9r9cB57I/AAAAAAAAer8/Wt2z5fJ6oZU/015.png?imgmax=3000
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    Kaneki is preatty hax but not extremely hax as other characters.
    I think that If Kaneki Bite Ganta’s Throat off or traspass him whit his Kagune Attacks or Arms….is preatty much over there.

  12. Kokiris March 9, 2015 at 10:53 pm -      #12

    @Polloloko
    I don’t see why Ganta can’t just blast Kaneki out of melee range whenever he gets too close? He’s seen doing that to objects and enemies who approach him at similar velocities to which Kaneki moves. Of course Ganta loses blood but by the end of the Deadman Wonderland manga, he’s very much so use to it. And his endurance in terms of how much blood he can lose before he goes unconscious is fairly superhuman. Of course Ganta is a bit more durable then the average human, for some odd reason. He’s an absolute tank, Kaneki has to go for a mortal wound right off the bat or Ganta will not go down. He has to do some obviously insta-killing stuff to keep Ganta on the ground. After getting cut up extensively by Crow, he still manages to get up and fire 2 more shots even though he’s suffering from blood loss. He even manages to sprint fairly fast in this state as well. (Look on post #8 of this thread.)

  13. Kokiris March 9, 2015 at 10:59 pm -      #13

    Ganta VS Hummingbird Episode 6 Chapter 9-10

    12:03 Ganta gets numerous lacerations from Hummingbirds first attack, this brings him to his knees and he starts bleeding.13:10 Ganta fires one blood bullet at Hummingbird but she manages to block it with her shackles, it would have been dead-on. 14:46 Ganta falls. 17:18 Ganta fires a 2nd shot; it would have been a bulls-eye if not for Hummingbirds meat shield. 18:49 – 19:00 Hummingbird attacks Ganta with her whip wing, eventually sending him off his feet flying into the arena wall, furthering his injuries. 19:16 Ganta gets up… again, perfectly conscious. 19:19 Ganta fires a volley of 2 shots, both miss’s, in the Manga, they were to test ricochet angle. 19:30 – 19:48 Hummingbird attacks again, giving Ganta multiple lacerations with her whip wing. 20:36 Hummingbird continues her attacks. Ganta fails to die; firing a 5th, 6th & 7th shot, disarming her. 20:40 – 20:47 This brings his shot count to a total of 7 by the end of this match. Hummingbird hand cuffs Ganta with her whip wing, Ganta gives approximately 0 shits, casually walks up to her and gives her a massive head butt, knocking her into incoherence and apparent unconsciousness, while he drops some mean philosophy. 20:55 – 21:28

    Manga: www.mangareader.net/666-33043-37/deadman-wonderland/chapter-9.html
    Chapter 9 Page 37 – Chapter 10 Page 30
    Anime: kissanime.com/Anime/Deadman-Wonderland-Dub/Episode-006?id=88195
    Episode 6 11:53 – 21:28

    Double posting again, oh so very sorry, please no ban hammer. T_T

  14. Polloloko March 10, 2015 at 10:47 am -      #14

    @Kokiris.

    I dont think Kaneki will stand still and let himself get hit by Ganta, if you ask me -_-.

    Ganta has the Fire Power to damage Kaneki, but Problem is that Kaneki have the Speed & Reaction Advangage, dodging all of Ganta’s Proyectiles till he get to him to end it.

    ( Se the Kaneki vs. Ayato Video that I Posted.
    or
    the Kaneki Kaguya / Centipide Form Video = Were he snap his finger an in an instant he is behind the Investigator ).
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    Ganta Canon will be a Problem, Kaneki Migth tank it but will suffer some great Injuries, but thanks to his healing factor thats not gana be a problem.
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    Kaneki’s Kagune Attacks will give Ganta hell, cuz Ganta needs to aim to fire his Branch Sins Attacks, but whit Kaneki’s Kagune keeping attacking it wont let Ganta to aim or fire rigth, and Kaneki’s Kagune Attacks are So Darn Fast =

    img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141101173217/tokyoghoul/images/7/79/Kaneki's_Unstable_Kagune.png


    vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/tokyoghoul/images/0/0c/Kaneki_chops_off_Amon's_arm_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20140920173725


    img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140814205058/tokyoghoul/es/images/9/9b/Kagune_Rinkaku_Kaneki.jpg

    ( Kaneki can even use his Kagune as a Shield)
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    vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tokyoghoul/images/e/e4/Haise_Kaneki_pierces_Nishiki.png/revision/latest?cb=20141130093855

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    i.imgur.com/3EMFVbK.png

    ( The Guy who dodge these was Arima, an Extrely High Level Expert Investigator who have a Hell of a lot of Experience dealing whit Ghouls that were SSS Rank in his Life’s Job ).

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    Ganta is Meta Human Near Superhuman in the End of the Manga.

    Kaneki is Superhuman ( Was Metahuman at the begining of the Series ).

    I can see a great Battle for the two, but Kaneki is gana Win in the Ens whit Near Mid Dificulty ( Ganta will Not Be Easy to Handle ).

    The Battle will Last 3 Minutes ( It will be Worth It X3 ) if you ask Me XP.

  15. Kokiris March 10, 2015 at 11:44 am -      #15

    I’m fairly certain that those crystalized projectiles that Ayata was firing at Kaneki were not on par with the velocity in which bullets travel. Over all, the way Gantas Ganta gun works, based on observations is essentially, blood is drawn from any open wounds, cuts etc etc and conglomerated near the palms of his hands, that’s the first stage. The second stage is where things get interesting. Ganta then gets to choose how much blood he wants to use in the shot he’s preparing, whether to separate it and fire it like a shotgun, or to make it thin and long in order to make it break the sound barrier and beyond. Or to compress it, making it more powerful as well as faster, the more blood he uses the stronger the bullet will be, but due to its weight it won’t necessarily have a high projectile speed. Ganta later learns how to bypass this limitation by using his other hand, forming a sort of kame-hame-ha stance. He even uses this for mobility, allowing him to use the recoil from the extra powerful shot to send him flying in a general direction. The final step is the firing stage, where he has the option to use his other hand to amplify the strength at which the projectile is launched. The Ganbare Gun is like a special move, using it makes him really weak and tired but if it hits Kaneki, it’s a 1-hit kill hands down.

    Let’s move our sights to a more pressing matter, Gantas ultra hax Supersonic Ganta Gun. This thing is absolutely terrifying, its rate of fire is off the fucking chain and its projectile speed is unquantifiable. Minimum it’s at least as fast if not faster than a regular bullet, breaking the sound barrier, etc. etc. Maximum it’s possibly faster than the speed of light, the only reason I even dare suggest this is because Hummingbird was able to pull off something she claims to be faster-than-light, as well as crow’s “Invisible Black” both of which share a few similarities with Gantas supersonic Ganta gun. Let’s just assume that it’s a little faster than a bullet for Kaneki’s sake. If it was faster than light, this match would be over so… so fast. The supersonic Ganta gun travels at a projectile speed that Kaneki is not seen dodging, ever. At most he dodges barrages of projectiles approaching the speed of a bullet, but still, they haven’t been scaled or quantified to be equivalent and seem to be slow in comparison. I’m just assuming they are sort of close to it based on my own judgment of the animation alone. Ganta nails stationary targets with 100% lethal accuracy. This is shown numerous times. Ganta has been seen to always be accurate even while he’s moving or while his target is moving. This kid can shoot, and he can shoot fast, especially with his supersonic Ganta gun.

    Kaneki’s dodging feats are strong, but Ganta’s shooting feats are stronger. Oh what’s that you say? “Kaneki’s got hax regeneration + durability.”  Well Ganta has hax sharpshooting skills + legit damage feats + rate of fire feats. What’s that you say? “Supersonic Ganta Gun does less damage Kokiris!” It actually has some pretty satisfying damage. It’s shown to punch straight through undertaker armor as well as leave a small crater/dent near the entrance wound. Oh, and it sends them all flying against the walls. Serious knockback, if one of these were to hit Kaneki, he would be heavily damaged, reparably damaged but seriously damaged. That’s got to slow him down a bit, I know his regen isn’t instant so 1 shot means certain death for Kaneki, Ganta will most certainly be able to hit the regenerating Kaneki, he only needs a few seconds to tear him apart with the supersonic Ganta gun once he’s semi-stationary or stationary for even a second, hell he just needs to be slightly slowed down and it makes it easier for Ganta to hit Kaneki. Now I know what you’re gonna say next. “Kokiris, slow the fuck down, you don’t even know if Kaneki is a skilled aim dodger, ganta is still limited to being a human and therefore can be aim dodged like a normal human.” Well that would be the case with any other human. We have a skilled shooter, insanely fast projectiles, used to firing under stress and still being accurate. Shot at and hit people moving very fast, Ganta has the experience, skill, reflex’s to AT THE VERY LEAST nail Kaneki with a good shot if he gets too close, sending him flying far, far, in the other direction, potentially obliterating him, if it’s anything like the boulder shot in the first episode and that’s with a regular blood bullet.

    I refuse to believe that he wouldn’t be able to do that without someone showing me Kaneki aim dodging something of the like on multiple occasions. The problem with close range combat is that it’s harder to read your opponents movements and predict where and when they are going to fire next. Someone help me on this but isn’t Kaneki defeated by a skilled peak-human using a Quinque at some point in the manga? I know that he fights against G.I’s who use Aratas protos but, still, I’m curious to the extent of which that human was supplemented, other than the Quinque. We all know that Ganta isn’t a peak human and still hasn’t exactly mastered his powers, but we do know of his feats and what he’s generally capable of and the more I think about it, the more likely I think it is that Ganta will be able to pull out a win by the skin of his teeth.

    I’m not saying he’ll be able to effortlessly shoot down and annihilate Kaneki a few minutes in; I’m just imaging the most reasonable way he’d react to seeing Kaneki’s powers in action, directed at him. Ganta isn’t exactly what you’d call an agile fighter, but he is fast and he has great reflexes for a human. Don’t forget how he nearly beat that falling loudspeaker to Crow while also suffering from anemia, that was some Olympic sprinting shit right there. If Ganta manages to hit Kaneki, even with his sluggish human-esque limitations, Kaneki is going to die. Ganta has the projectile speed, the feats, etc etc. Unless someone pulls out some ultra hax speed feats and human aim dodging feats for Kaneki, then I’m giving the win to Ganta. Until someone proves to me Kaneki has some borderline teleportation shit going on with him and his speed/reflex?

    So let’s say he does, he thinks he has Ganta by the balls, he thinks he’s ready to do the executing blow. BOOM Ganta just blows half his body away because guess-fucking-what, the flurry of attacks not to mention the blood drawn from Ganta’s trademark thumb-bite, draw blood. While Kaneki is preparing to finish him off, he could be preparing a high powered lethal blood bullet for Kaneki.  This could be hidden, split second, etc etc. This is just totally leaving the OP Ganbare Gun out of it for now, cus that shit is too hax.

    I mean there a numerous scenarios where Ganta could potentially land a hit on Kaneki and the moment that happens, this match is over because either the shot he’s hit with blows half his body clean off, heavily damages him while also knocking him off his feet, forcing him to regenerate if he wants to regain his mobility or it stops him long enough for a second shot to hit in which case Ganta will be able to follow up with more shots, until he’s a pile of un-regeneratable meat.

    Now let’s talk about how much punishment Ganta could survive. Yes, he could survive a few strong hits. Anything short of a mortally wounding blow won’t bring Ganta down. His endurance and pain tolerance is retarded, especially for a 14 year old. He can lose stupid amounts of blood and still function… He can be cut, punctured, pummeled, bruised, beaten, electrocuted, thrown, whipped and hit with so many different branches of sin, yet still manage to stand back up and continue battling. Kaneki can throw him, punch him, kick him, stab him, cut him, unless it’s to some vital organs the little shit will continue breathing some-fucking-how.

    In terms of strategy, I could think of numerous ways Ganta could win. First off, this is Tokyo, buildings, EVERYHWERE. Ganta could run away, constantly be on the move while destroying sky scrapers, causing debris to fall and get in Kaneki’s way as he’s chasing him, of course Kaneki will catch up eventually, I mean this is Kaneki we’re talking about. I will admit that a good ol impalement on one of Kaneki’s Kagune arms will finish/incapacitate/mortally wound Ganta. Ganta may have a short short window to counterattack, but still, if Kaneki catch’s up and unloads on Ganta before Ganta has enough time to react, Ganta’s done. Although I do believe I already explained why I think that wouldn’t happen anyway. I wanna see some durability feats on Kaneki’s Kagune as well as some for his Kakuja armor as well.

  16. Polloloko March 10, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #16

    @Kokiris.
    *Face Palm* Dude WTF?!?! -_________-
    No ofence but you really sounded like a Fanboy there.

    First Thing First, The Ligth Speed Argument was just an error Dubs in the Anime, In the Manga they stated that Her Attack was fast enough to be The Speed of Sound ( If she really have an attack that was FTL, didnt she were able to Kill Ganta in there First Match in a second?…Thats a Yes.), Ganta’s Supersonic Gun is ( Even the Name says it ) Supersonic = Supersonic and Subsonic just refers to over and under the speed of sound. ).
    Overall, the FTL Attack argument was just an error, dont get me wrong even I owmost belived that until Fans & I found out that was just an error XP.
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    Second, Yes Ganta’s attacks are the same as bullets, but remember, even at the begining of the Tokyo Ghoul series, Ghouls are Easly Bullet Timers, Meaning Ganta’s Attack will not land on Kaneki, if Kaneki keeps Dodging and keep going ahead to Ganta, Gant will find himself courned.

    Yes, Ganta can shoot at Point Blank range, but Remember, whats gana happen if you shoot or do an attack at someone who can react to and dodge these attacks on point blank range?…..He will react and do acounter attack ( Just like he did to Ayato when he was firering non stop, then Kaneki show up fast enough that looked like Ayato stop fireing, then in that second he got a Knee to the Face by Kaneki.)

    You even Admitted it here ” if Kaneki catch’s up and unloads on Ganta before Ganta has enough time to react, Ganta’s done.”

    At least you understand it XP
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    Ganta’s Attacks will Damage Kaneki If they Connect, but remember that Kaneki can Regenerate & Ganta’s Attacks are Limited, when Ganta’s out of ammo….he dies by the loss of his blood or by Kaneki.
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    Ayato’s crystalized projectiles are Sound+ Speed = Supersonic / Subsonic.
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    In Strategy, The same it could be said to Kaneki, he Smart too you know.
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    WTF?!?! “destroying sky scrapers”…..-________- …. Dude I think you gone way overboard there man, Ganta is more know to be Half Boulding Buster using his Strongest Branch Sin Attack = Ganta Canon.
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    Correct, Ganta have a Near Superhuman Durability, but he have normal Organs like you me and everybody else here, thats were Kaneki will attack when he is Blooddusted = Hunt to Kill.

    You even admited it here too “unless it’s to some vital organs ” = Exactly XP
    —-
    ” I’m just imaging the most reasonable way he’d react to seeing Kaneki’s powers in action, directed at him.”

    At least you admited that all that was you Imagination about the Battle, I dont blame ya, I do these thing a few times XP

    But seriously, Ganta have Good Reactions figthing Deadmens in the series, but he cant react to someone who can opear behind him whitout him even knowing it in a sec by a snap of a finger.
    —-
    I like both characters, and I know that both of them are Powerhouses in there own rigth, but the way I see it, You really are Underestimating Kaneki & thinking that Ganta’s Attack will Kill him?!?….dude Kaneki in the Manga have goten his Body shrewded / Blown Apart and Destroyed, even his eyes & Brain were Destroyed ( Something Ganta will Not Survive ) and he just Regenerated back the way he was before ( He still feels the Pain Though = Thats Hell rigth There, thats a Feat of Pain Tolerance by Kaneki ).
    —-
    Here some Other Kaneki’s Feats = static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111174562/4081623-4155734210-touky.jpg

    Has gone faster than Touka’s brother could keep up, while Touka can move faster than the human eye can see.

    He has also dodged bullets.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111174562/4081637-8038375825-touky.jpg

    He has two kagune, and the weaker one has punched through ghouls, who are durable enough to bend kitchen knives when people attempt to cut them with them. He has also broken stone many times with his Kagune.
    —-
    Here’s some of Kaneki’s Feats cuz I have no Time for this Shit -_-, here = www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ev9cs/kaneki_ken_tokyo_ghoul/

    Look at it If you want, cuz Like It or Not = Ganta vs. Kaneki is a Great Battle, but It will End whit Kaneki’s Victory whit a 8-9/10 whit Ganta having a 7/10.
    Its Very simple If you ask me, I dont Underestimate or use error Statements for characters to debate, thats all.

  17. Kokiris March 10, 2015 at 11:40 pm -      #17

    “First Thing First, The Ligth Speed Argument was just an error Dubs in the Anime, In the Manga they stated that Her Attack was fast enough to be The Speed of Sound ( If she really have an attack that was FTL, didnt she were able to Kill Ganta in there First Match in a second?…Thats a Yes.), Ganta’s Supersonic Gun is ( Even the Name says it ) Supersonic = Supersonic and Subsonic just refers to over and under the speed of sound. ).
    Overall, the FTL Attack argument was just an error, dont get me wrong even I owmost belived that until Fans & I found out that was just an error XP.”

    Alright, you got me here, I wasn’t really sold on the speed of light shit anyway myself. I mean that seems illogical overall for these kinds of Anime anyway.

    “Second, Yes Ganta’s attacks are the same as bullets, but remember, even at the begining of the Tokyo Ghoul series, Ghouls are Easly Bullet Timers, Meaning Ganta’s Attack will not land on Kaneki, if Kaneki keeps Dodging and keep going ahead to Ganta, Gant will find himself courned.”

    First of all, this is one of those scenarios where we need to make sure they are moving out of the way of the bullet after it’s already left the barrel. Keep in mind that bullet timer means they can detect, see and then reflexively dodge/evade a bullet. This means the bullet has to already have left the chamber before they move, otherwise it’s what we consider aim-dodging which is when a character reads the movements of their opponent, who is about to fire at them, but moves before they get the chance to really pull the trigger. They are dodging the sights of the enemy, evading getting locked on to, attempting to move faster then what their enemy can legibly shoot at and still accurately track with their sights, etc etc. Reading the movements and behavior of the person about to shoot at you, then reacting in prediction of where they will shoot next, when they will shoot and keeping track of where they are aiming right now. This would be aim-dodging. Now I’d like you to reconsider your argument that all Ghouls are bullet timers. I think legitimately, some Ghouls in the series really do have the potentiality to be bullet timers but I don’t think by default all Ghouls in that respective universe have the ability. That whole part is really hard to swallow, especially when you have Ghoul Investigators swatting down regular Ghouls like flies 99% of the time and those guys are peak humans with perfectly human restrictions placed on their physical ability, yet they still manage to go toe-to-toe with many many Ghouls numerous times, and they are still human. Explain this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeB87kGEIKw That’s Amon, a Ghoul Investigator, peak human, highly skilled and experienced. Perfectly human sight, hearing, reflex’s. He’s not even using an Aratas Proto, the armor that boosts their physical ability. And he still manages to cut down and out perform Kakuja Kaneki. You even showed a scan of a different Ghoul Investigator standing over an even stronger more developed Kaneki. You also have to take into consideration that these humans are fighting in MELEE COMBAT with Ghouls, and WINNING. Amon in particular was literally using a dual blade Quinque.

    “Yes, Ganta can shoot at Point Blank range, but Remember, whats gana happen if you shoot or do an attack at someone who can react to and dodge these attacks on point blank range?…..He will react and do acounter attack ( Just like he did to Ayato when he was firering non stop, then Kaneki show up fast enough that looked like Ayato stop fireing, then in that second he got a Knee to the Face by Kaneki.)
    You even Admitted it here ” if Kaneki catch’s up and unloads on Ganta before Ganta has enough time to react, Ganta’s done.”
    At least you understand it XP”

    I believe I’ve already tried explaining that Ganta has been shown to react to and shoot characters who can move similarly to Kaneki, who have tried rushing him. Overall, the closer Kaneki gets, the easier Ganta can react to his movements, the peak humans in Tokyo Ghoul fight in melee with Ghouls on countless occasions, often times winning in hand to hand combat. Which bodes very well for Ganta’s chances of nailing Kaneki if he gets too close. As Ganta’s reflex’s are at the very least, peak human. When I was talking about Kaneki unloading on Ganta, I meant if Ganta for some reason is unable to react quickly enough. I am firmly convinced that Ganta can react to Kaneki’s speed much more accurately at closer ranges. = Very high probability of him hitting Kaneki, and like I said before, 1 small hit = an opening for more small shots or some heavy hitting cannon-like shots. And 1 large hit easily incapacitates Kaneki for a little while, if not totally destroying him.

    “Ganta’s Attacks will Damage Kaneki If they Connect, but remember that Kaneki can Regenerate & Ganta’s Attacks are Limited, when Ganta’s out of ammo….he dies by the loss of his blood or by Kaneki.”

    Ganta’s attacks will not only damage, but will also stagger and slow Kaneki down if they connect, not to mention he needs to spend time regenerating whatever is hit. I’ve shown enough feats to be able to proudly say that Ganta Gun > Kaneki’s Regenerating Powers. In the ends you’re looking at this like 1 shot is easily regenerated by Kaneki, but you’re refusing to acknowledge that that takes some time and focus for Kaneki, which gives Ganta an opening to nail him a few more times, to the point where Ganta can string together multiple devastating hits to the point where it won’t matter if Kaneki can regenerate the damage done, he won’t have anything left to regenerate.

    “Ayato’s crystalized projectiles are Sound+ Speed = Supersonic / Subsonic.”

    I want evidence of this. You can’t just say “Lel they are supersonic cause I said so.”

  18. MonkeyKingMahir March 11, 2015 at 9:20 am -      #18

    “Ganta’s attacks will not only damage, but will also stagger and slow Kaneki down if they connect, not to mention he needs to spend time regenerating whatever is hit. I’ve shown enough feats to be able to proudly say that Ganta Gun > Kaneki’s Regenerating Powers. In the ends you’re looking at this like 1 shot is easily regenerated by Kaneki, but you’re refusing to acknowledge that that takes some time and focus for Kaneki, which gives Ganta an opening to nail him a few more times, to the point where Ganta can string together multiple devastating hits to the point where it won’t matter if Kaneki can regenerate the damage done, he won’t have anything left to regenerate”

    First off it takes barely anytime at all for Kaneki to regen if you watched the battle between Jason he literally regens his leg afters twisting it around in seconds without even flinching at the pain, if you would like I could get the video just not anytime soon for school blocking youtube reasons :(

  19. Kokiris March 11, 2015 at 2:19 pm -      #19

    “First off it takes barely anytime at all for Kaneki to regen if you watched the battle between Jason he literally regens his leg afters twisting it around in seconds without even flinching at the pain, if you would like I could get the video just not anytime soon for school blocking youtube reasons :(”

    While this is true, in the time where Kaneki is regenerating his leg, Ganta could have put several more blood bullets into him. It takes Ganta mere seconds to follow up with a string of attacks. I don’t know why either of you are under the assumption that Ganta’s attacks aren’t fast enough to connect to Kaneki while he’s healing? I’ve seen Kaneki VS Yamori, I’m confident that in the time it took Kaneki to regenerate his broken leg, Ganta could have easily gotten off 3-4 more shots, Ganta has good RoF feats.

    This is it’s projectile velocity, speed, force, etc etc. This is the type of damage it causes, showing it break the sound barrier, etc etc.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj5T8-BJ8p8

    Rate of fire feat.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkAbqNQtRfE

    I couldn’t find a direct clip of just that scene where he first uses his Supersonic Ganta Gun in combat, but in the episode I just linked, it’s at 20:10 where I’d like to direct you. The scene sort of speaks for it self…

  20. Polloloko March 11, 2015 at 6:25 pm -      #20

    @Kokiris.

    “That’s Amon, a Ghoul Investigator, peak human, highly skilled and experienced. Perfectly human sight, hearing, reflex’s. He’s not even using an Aratas Proto, the armor that boosts their physical ability. And he still manages to cut down and out perform Kakuja Kaneki. ”

    *Face Palm*
    Dude, If you see closely or watch the Series, you will know that Kaneki in that Form ( First Time ) wasnt Himself ( Out of Control ) and was Figthing whit in himself to go back to Normal, givin Amon a chance to cut him, If Kaneki wasnt in that Form or in control of the Form, he would of have Killed Amon very Legitly Easy.
    —-
    “You even showed a scan of a different Ghoul Investigator standing over an even stronger more developed Kaneki.”

    ???.. OooooH you are Talking about Arima, ok Arima is consideraded a God of Death in the Investigators Team, Arima is very much above everybody in Tokyo Ghoul right now, by the Battle he have whit Kaneki and the way he Stomped Beated nearly Killed Kaneki Easly, proveved that Arima is really a Superhuman, even in Comic Vine they Stated It.
    —-
    “I believe I’ve already tried explaining that Ganta has been shown to react to and shoot characters who can move similarly to Kaneki, who have tried rushing him.”

    There..You said it “similarly to Kaneki”, there Not at the same level of Speed as Kaneki.
    —-
    “Overall, the closer Kaneki gets, the easier Ganta can react to his movements,”

    Look / Read Above ^.
    —-
    “the peak humans in Tokyo Ghoul fight in melee with Ghouls on countless occasions, often times winning in hand to hand combat. ”

    Low Level ( C ) Ghouls to B Level Ghouls are the ones that were taken down by the Investigators in hand to hand combat.

    Kaneki is a SS near SSS ( Owl “The Most Powerfull Ghoul in the Series” is a SSS ) Ranked Ghoul.
    —-
    “Which bodes very well for Ganta’s chances of nailing Kaneki if he gets too close. ”

    Read Above ^.
    —-
    ” As Ganta’s reflex’s are at the very least, peak human”

    True, but there not Superhuman ( Ganta is Near that Level, But the DMW Series Ended :( ) like Kaneki’s or other High Level Ghouls in the Series.
    —-
    ” I meant if Ganta for some reason is unable to react quickly enough. I am firmly convinced that Ganta can react to Kaneki’s speed much more accurately at closer ranges. = Very high probability of him hitting Kaneki, and like I said before, 1 small hit = an opening for more small shots or some heavy hitting cannon-like shots. And 1 large hit easily incapacitates Kaneki for a little while, if not totally destroying him.”

    There you said It “If” If, Cuz Kaneki is so god damm Fast that he will keep Dodging all of Ganta’s Bullets and do Circules Around Ganta whitout him even knowing “wtf is goen on?”, like Kaneki did to Investigator Ishima who is a Superiol In Command in the Team.
    +
    Kaneki can Regenerate, He can Heal fast but the Damage done by Arima live him more like a Zombie, and Ganta ( Will Damage him, but Not as Brutal and Fattaly as Arima did whit Complete Ease ) is Not Arima to do that.
    —-
    “I want evidence of this. You can’t just say “Lel they are supersonic cause I said so.”
    I allready showed you a Video & Manga Scans, If you look Closely in the Anime when Ayato activate his Kagune and begins to shoot his Proyectiles, you can see that his Proyectiles when they are beginig to get Fire, they are breaking the Sound Barriel + giving themself some Velocity thanks to Ayato’s Kagune Winds that Reproduse a great Presure of Wind making his proyectiles alot Faster.
    —-
    And yes, Some Ghouls ( Low Levels ) are Near Bullet Timers, but High Level Ghouls like Kaneki Touka Owl Ayato etc are easly Bullet Timers.
    —-
    “Ganta’s attacks will not only damage, but will also stagger and slow Kaneki down if they connect, not to mention he needs to spend time regenerating whatever is hit. I’ve shown enough feats to be able to proudly say that Ganta Gun > Kaneki’s Regenerating Powers. In the ends you’re looking at this like 1 shot is easily regenerated by Kaneki, but you’re refusing to acknowledge that that takes some time and focus for Kaneki, which gives Ganta an opening to nail him a few more times, to the point where Ganta can string together multiple devastating hits to the point where it won’t matter if Kaneki can regenerate the damage done, he won’t have anything left to regenerate.”

    *Face Palm*

    Ok sorry dude but…thats just plain Ignorant man wtf?!?, *If* Ganta hits Kaneki whit his Ganta Gun it will be like a A Strong Punch from Kamishiro =

    vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tokyoghoul/images/0/03/Sachi_Punches_Kaneki.png/revision/latest?cb=20150129202640

    ( Who’s Punches were soo strong that put Kaneki Near out of air “Like when you get hit by someone in the gut” but he got up after that like if it was a normal Punch to the gut ).

    A Ganta Canon, That…Rigth There is a Weapon that will make Kaneki’s Days like a Nigthmare *If* that Hits Him like 2 to nearly 3 times ( Knowing how Destructive and Powerfull the Ganta Canon really is ), Problem is to make the Canon it needs a loooot of Blood, & in the manga its beens stated that the Canon can only be used 3 times ( 4rth is Dead for the User “Ganta” ) even stated by Crow too.

    Problem is that Kaneki’s Regeneration is more like the case to Wolverine’s Healing Factor in debates cuz it will keep healing no matter what, making there Oponents to wear off or run out of whatever item or energy they use to battle.

    *If* the Canon Hits Kaneki at the same time:
    First Canon Hit = Will put Kaneki thro a Bloulding. = He Starts Healing.

    Second Canon = Will Put Kaneki very Injure but still geting Up for more ( In Character ). = Healing a bit slow due the Damage taken.

    Third Canon = Will put Kaneki Injure to the Ground = Still Healing.

    *Ganta cant use the Canon no more, and Kaneki began to heal fast again and getting up thanks to the time Ganta Gives him by knowing that he cant use his Ganta Canon & in shock that he used his canon on Kaneki 3 Times & Kaneki still getting Up and taking some deep breath and a little Piss Thanks to his Regeneration Ability = Ganta will have the worst nigthmare back at him by Kaneki.*
    —-
    I think you didnt look at the Link I Posted that it shows alot of Kaneki’s Feats.

    here Again = www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ev9cs/kaneki_ken_tokyo_ghoul/

    Look at it If you want.
    —-
    You have to start watching the Series of Tokyo Ghoul man XP to know more about them, insteed of learning a bout them by just seeing Scans only in the Site XP

    Just Saiyan XP

  21. Polloloko March 11, 2015 at 7:50 pm -      #21

    What Kaneki’s gana do to Ganta in a split second when Ganta Aims and Shoots…but Missed thanks to Kaneki’s Reactions & Speed:

    2.bp.blogspot.com/-3xqFz5u_ysM/U7mTqYkHxiI/AAAAAAAApM4/a21Prgw0NDY/016.png?imgmax=3000

    PS. Sorry for second Posting Comment XP

  22. Kokiris March 11, 2015 at 11:14 pm -      #22

    “Dude, If you see closely or watch the Series, you will know that Kaneki in that Form ( First Time ) wasnt Himself ( Out of Control ) and was Figthing whit in himself to go back to Normal, givin Amon a chance to cut him, If Kaneki wasnt in that Form or in control of the Form, he would of have Killed Amon very Legitly Easy.”

    Excuse me, but that is an entirely baseless assumption.

    “???.. OooooH you are Talking about Arima, ok Arima is consideraded a God of Death in the Investigators Team, Arima is very much above everybody in Tokyo Ghoul right now, by the Battle he have whit Kaneki and the way he Stomped Beated nearly Killed Kaneki Easly, proveved that Arima is really a Superhuman, even in Comic Vine they Stated It.”

    I want some quotes, exact evidence, feats, to show me that Arima is “superhuman” you can’t just say he’s a superhuman. I want some citations here my friend. As far as I’m concerned Arima is perfectly human. Maybe batman peak human but still, human. And he’s shown the ability to defeat Kaneki in physical combat, and this Kaneki, no less, is much closer to the incarnation we’re currently using.

    “There..You said it “similarly to Kaneki”, there Not at the same level of Speed as Kaneki.”

    Alright, yes to my knowledge as of now, I haven’t read into the Manga far enough to figure out if he’s fought opponents who can go the exact same speed. However, you’re treating Kaneki like he’s some sort of speed god, I don’t think he is. Otherwise no humans would ever survive any combat with him, he would outclass them far too much. Just keep in mind that this isn’t melee combat and so Kaneki has more distance to travel when he’s fighting Ganta, it’s not a type of fight he’s really all that use to. Ganta is use to fighting opponents who can hand him his own ass in melee.

    “Low Level ( C ) Ghouls to B Level Ghouls are the ones that were taken down by the Investigators in hand to hand combat. Kaneki is a SS near SSS ( Owl “The Most Powerfull Ghoul in the Series” is a SSS ) Ranked Ghoul.”

    So basically what your suggesting is that rank directly correlates with a change in physiology and physical ability? The Old Owl may have started as a C.

    “There you said It “If” If, Cuz Kaneki is so god damm Fast that he will keep Dodging all of Ganta’s Bullets and do Circules Around Ganta whitout him even knowing “wtf is goen on?”, like Kaneki did to Investigator Ishima who is a Superiol In Command in the Team.
    + Kaneki can Regenerate, He can Heal fast but the Damage done by Arima live him more like a Zombie, and Ganta ( Will Damage him, but Not as Brutal and Fattaly as Arima did whit Complete Ease ) is Not Arima to do that.”

    Do I even have to explain to you that Ganta’s blood bullets are even faster than normal bullets? Have you ever seen a regular bullet do something like this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj5T8-BJ8p8

    “I allready showed you a Video & Manga Scans, If you look Closely in the Anime when Ayato activate his Kagune and begins to shoot his Proyectiles, you can see that his Proyectiles when they are beginig to get Fire, they are breaking the Sound Barriel + giving themself some Velocity thanks to Ayato’s Kagune Winds that Reproduse a great Presure of Wind making his proyectiles alot Faster.”

    I did look closely. They are obviously not showing any of the tell tale signs of breaking the sound barrier, the video I showed of Ganta learning to use his Supersonic Ganta Gun shows a slow motion, OBVIOUS animation of the actual projectile changing shape mid air after breaking through the sound barrier and then some. I don’t see that in your clip or scans. I’m still not understanding your argument that Ayato’s projectiles are anywhere near supersonic. I feel like based on the animation they are travelling at the speed any arrow would travel at fired from a short/compound bow, except they are being fired in a swarm (Trust me it’s quite beautiful in a destructive sense, I love it, but it’s not even comparable to bullets.) That’s what I’d scale them at based on observing the animation. In which case this situation is just us disagreeing on what we see.

    “Ok sorry dude but…thats just plain Ignorant man wtf?!?, *If* Ganta hits Kaneki whit his Ganta Gun it will be like a A Strong Punch from Kamishiro =”

    What the flying fuck are you talking about?!?!?! www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9u3JLZh3p0

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj5T8-BJ8p8


    “( Who’s Punches were soo strong that put Kaneki Near out of air “Like when you get hit by someone in the gut” but he got up after that like if it was a normal Punch to the gut ).
    A Ganta Canon, That…Rigth There is a Weapon that will make Kaneki’s Days like a Nigthmare *If* that Hits Him like 2 to nearly 3 times ( Knowing how Destructive and Powerfull the Ganta Canon really is ), Problem is to make the Canon it needs a loooot of Blood, & in the manga its beens stated that the Canon can only be used 3 times ( 4rth is Dead for the User “Ganta” ) even stated by Crow too.
    Problem is that Kaneki’s Regeneration is more like the case to Wolverine’s Healing Factor in debates cuz it will keep healing no matter what, making there Oponents to wear off or run out of whatever item or energy they use to battle.
    *If* the Canon Hits Kaneki at the same time:
    First Canon Hit = Will put Kaneki thro a Bloulding. = He Starts Healing.
    Second Canon = Will Put Kaneki very Injure but still geting Up for more ( In Character ). = Healing a bit slow due the Damage taken.
    Third Canon = Will put Kaneki Injure to the Ground = Still Healing.
    *Ganta cant use the Canon no more, and Kaneki began to heal fast again and getting up thanks to the time Ganta Gives him by knowing that he cant use his Ganta Canon & in shock that he used his canon on Kaneki 3 Times & Kaneki still getting Up and taking some deep breath and a little Piss Thanks to his Regeneration Ability = Ganta will have the worst nigthmare back at him by Kaneki.*”

    Not sure if you mean the Ganbare Ganta Gun or the regular more malleable and amplifiable Ganta Gun? Because Ganta is known to have varying levels of power in each of his shots whenever he uses his Ganta Gun, the first time he ever uses it, it obliterates a giant presumably hard sphere statue that’s about to fall down and crush himself and Shiro to death and if something like that, just that, hits Kaneki, it’s basically over, because half of Kaneki will be gone at minimum. But if the Ganbare Ganta Gun hits Kaneki, it’s a 1 shot kill guaranteed. He’d be vaporized.

    PS. I’ll go ahead and look at them now. :)

  23. Polloloko March 12, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #23

    @Kokiris.

    “Excuse me, but that is an entirely baseless assumption.”

    Say what? are you Ignoring the Fact that Kaneki wasnt even trying at Figthing Amon in that state cuz of his Mental Breackdown? Cuz If Kaneki was ok in that time, he could of have baby shake Amon or just kill him if he wanted too.

    —-
    “. As far as I’m concerned Arima is perfectly human. Maybe batman peak human but still, human. And he’s shown the ability to defeat Kaneki in physical combat, and this Kaneki, no less, is much closer to the incarnation we’re currently using.”

    Correct, Yes Arima is still Human, but what I was trying to say is that Arima showed that he have Superhuman Phisical Abilities to Defeat ( In a Godly Stomp) a Kaneki who was a SS near SSS Rank Ghoul just like nothing, but Arima got only a scar in his check ( Face side ) by Kaneki ( Only attack that Landed on Arima “Even arima was suprise about it”.
    And yes, Arima is just like Batman, whitout using some fancy Armor & Gadgets, only using a weapon only.
    —-
    “you’re treating Kaneki like he’s some sort of speed god, I don’t think he is. Otherwise no humans would ever survive any combat with him, he would outclass them far too much.”

    Lol Dude Im not like That at all ( Well.. A looooong Time ago XP ), there are aloooot of Characters that are Faster than Kaneki, Kaneki’s Speed is Near Supersonic+ = Sound+ Speed = 1 time the Speed of Sound = Above normal Sound Speed.
    Kaneki is not to OP as other Characters in other series man XP
    —-
    “Just keep in mind that this isn’t melee combat and so Kaneki has more distance to travel when he’s fighting Ganta, it’s not a type of fight he’s really all that use to. Ganta is use to fighting opponents who can hand him his own ass in melee.”

    Thats why Kaneki will use his speed and reflexes + Reaction to get to Ganta before he can Shoot a second Ganta Gun ( First Ganta Gun will be Dodge by Kaneki ) & Break all of Ganta’s Bones in one Attack ( All Human Bones Broken = Dead Human ).
    —–
    “Do I even have to explain to you that Ganta’s blood bullets are even faster than normal bullets? Have you ever seen a regular bullet do something like this?”

    I alleady know that -_-
    +
    Yes, Ganta’s Blood Bullets are faster than Bullets, but not that fast, In the Manga it shows / stated that Ganta’s Blood Bullet is a bit Faster than a Pistol Caliber Bullets that are = typical 9mm projectile moves near 1400 feet per second.
    Resulting in 3.77 seconds per mile,
    15.91 miles per minute.
    Overall = Ganta’s Bullets are a bit Faster than Pistols Bullets ( By a Inch), but are not faster than other Bullet Weapons like K47 or M4 Asult Rifles or Machine Guns.

    +
    Take in Mind that all these weapons that I Said like M4 Asult Rifle & Machine Guns bullets are easly dodge by High Level Ghouls ( A Rank ) = S, SS, SSS will be to much of a diference in comperation to an A Rank.
    —-
    “So basically what your suggesting is that rank directly correlates with a change in physiology and physical ability? The Old Owl may have started as a C.”

    Yes, Is more like Evolution of Adaptation, more like gaining Experience & learning more things about there own Nature = Think It as the Famous Zenkai Boost from DBZ = whit in more Battles & Learnings + Experience will make them to Evolve ( Reach other Rank of Power ) making them more powerfull than they were before.
    +
    Yes, when they are Born & were childs, there were Ranked D, C Rank is when they learn how to unlock there Kagune & start learning how to use them.
    —-
    About Ayato’s Proyectiles, Yes The Animation sometimes hide things from us ( The Viewers ) , but What Im saying is that Ayato’s Proyectiles when they begin to fire they were Braking the Sound Barriel ( In the Clip you have to paused really fast to see it, It was a Pain for me to -_- ), and it even showed that when Ayato is shooting his proyectiles, his Kagune Wings are blowing Wind whit some presure making the Proyectiles to ge even Faster.

    + these Proyectiles even have the Brute Force to Send a A Ranked Ghoul like Touka flying Backwards off her feets to the air. = Example was when Ayato first used it against Touka in Episode 10.
    —-
    You dont have to show me the clips man -_-, I allready see the hall DMW Anime & Manga Series XP
    Dont worry Im not Piss at you X3
    +
    Ganta is only Small Boulding Buster ( Ganta Gun ) to Half Boulding Buster ( Ganta Canon ) = Pretty Powerfull for someone his age XP

    “Not sure if you mean the Ganbare Ganta Gun or the regular more malleable and amplifiable Ganta Gun? Because Ganta is known to have varying levels of power in each of his shots whenever he uses his Ganta Gun, the first time he ever uses it, it obliterates a giant presumably hard sphere statue that’s about to fall down and crush himself and Shiro to death and if something like that, just that, hits Kaneki, it’s basically over, because half of Kaneki will be gone at minimum. But if the Ganbare Ganta Gun hits Kaneki, it’s a 1 shot kill guaranteed. He’d be vaporized.”

    Eeh no, I was talking about his most Powerfull Attack ( Ganta Canon ) that he even used on Shiro in there Final Battle.

    +
    Kaneki’s Durability is more than Boulding Level + his Regeneration / Healing Factor makes his Durability more Wolverine like = Very Beastly if you ask me.
    Thats why by knowing how Destructive the Ganta Canon really is, and Kaneki’s Durability & Healing Factor / Regeneration, The Canon will Pack one hell of a Punch to Kaneki, but he will keep coming back, like my above comment said about the 3 times the Canon Shoots.
    —-
    PS. Is it me or is it, that Ganta & Kaneki will make One Hell of a Team XD

  24. Kokiris March 12, 2015 at 2:15 pm -      #24

    “Say what? are you Ignoring the Fact that Kaneki wasnt even trying at Figthing Amon in that state cuz of his Mental Breackdown? Cuz If Kaneki was ok in that time, he could of have baby shake Amon or just kill him if he wanted too.”

    If he’s going to be in that much mental anguish when fighting in that state, then it would be a bad idea for him to use his Kakuja armor to fight Ganta. Because it would be a stomp for Ganta. So Kakuja armor and all feats with it should be out because Kaneki, in his right mind, wouldn’t use it for anything but a last resort.

    “Correct, Yes Arima is still Human, but what I was trying to say is that Arima showed that he have Superhuman Phisical Abilities to Defeat ( In a Godly Stomp) a Kaneki who was a SS near SSS Rank Ghoul just like nothing, but Arima got only a scar in his check ( Face side ) by Kaneki ( Only attack that Landed on Arima “Even arima was suprise about it”.
    And yes, Arima is just like Batman, whitout using some fancy Armor & Gadgets, only using a weapon only.”

    Meh, plenty of peak humans have feats that are superhuman, such as batman but then again batman is batman. My point still stands, Arima is a human. Like Ganta. Then again Arima is Arima. Lol.

    “Yes, Ganta’s Blood Bullets are faster than Bullets, but not that fast, In the Manga it shows / stated that Ganta’s Blood Bullet is a bit Faster than a Pistol Caliber Bullets that are = typical 9mm projectile moves near 1400 feet per second.
    Resulting in 3.77 seconds per mile,
    15.91 miles per minute.
    Overall = Ganta’s Bullets are a bit Faster than Pistols Bullets ( By a Inch), but are not faster than other Bullet Weapons like K47 or M4 Asult Rifles or Machine Guns.”

    They are very fast. Mind grabbing the scans? That’s still a pretty fast projectile for Kaneki to be dodging. Not to mention Ganta has them dank shooting skillz. Is Kaneki shown dodging things faster than bullets?

  25. Polloloko March 12, 2015 at 10:09 pm -      #25

    “If he’s going to be in that much mental anguish when fighting in that state, then it would be a bad idea for him to use his Kakuja armor to fight Ganta. Because it would be a stomp for Ganta. So Kakuja armor and all feats with it should be out because Kaneki, in his right mind, wouldn’t use it for anything but a last resort.”

    Did you Remember? that I show you Scans from the Manga, that shows Kaneki in Complete Control over his Kaguya / Centipide Form = 38.media.tumblr.com/acdec6229d6ce7dea360867b7db7d2b6/tumblr_naj750DiuV1saqc1ko

    —-
    “Meh, plenty of peak humans have feats that are superhuman, such as batman but then again batman is batman. My point still stands, Arima is a human. Like Ganta. Then again Arima is Arima. Lol.”

    Correct, but There is the Facts that Arima have Superhuman Phisicals by Beating a SS Ranked Ghoul like Kaneki Easy.
    & LOL at the Batman & Arima Part.
    +
    Ganta is a Meta Human Near Superhuman showed in the Manga.
    —-
    “That’s still a pretty fast projectile for Kaneki to be dodging. ”

    Correct on Ganta’s Bullet bieng Fast.
    &
    Like I said in my early Comment by the Manga of DMW, Ganta’s Bullet is an Inch Faster than a Pistol Caliber’s Bullet, B Ranked Ghouls in the Start of the Series of TG Dodge Pistol Bullets like if it were Childs Play, Imagine a SS Ranked Ghoul like Kaneki = *Pistol Shoots at Kaneki.* Kaneki just Stands There like -_-, *The Bullet Desapears in front of Kaneki* Kaneki says “I Allready Dodge It -_-“, The Pistol Guy is like *O.O…Fuck ).
    —-
    “Not to mention Ganta has them dank shooting skillz”

    You Mean “Ganta has These Darn Shoothing Skills” Rigth / Correct? Yes Ganta is a Beast in Long Range in DMW Series XD.
    —-
    “Is Kaneki shown dodging things faster than bullets?”

    Ayato’s Kagune Proyectiles = img.bato.to/comics/2014/06/23/t/read53a7f511379e2/img000011.png

    &
    Arima’s Ligthing Speed Ligthing Bolt attack = img.bato.to/comics/2014/08/19/t/read53f32992ae253/img000011.png

    img.bato.to/comics/2014/08/19/t/read53f32992ae253/img000012.png

    = Take in Mind that Kaneki have his Brain and Rigth Eye Destroyed by Arima, & he still Dodge It.

  26. Kokiris March 13, 2015 at 11:24 am -      #26

    @Polloloko

    When I get home, I’ll compile a list of all of Ganta’s feats from the Manga and Anime, and if they don’t stack up to Kaneki’s I’ll give Kaneki the win, deal?

    By the way, yes they would make a perfect team. We need to get them in some good matches.

  27. Polloloko March 13, 2015 at 6:09 pm -      #27

    “When I get home, I’ll compile a list of all of Ganta’s feats from the Manga and Anime, and if they don’t stack up to Kaneki’s I’ll give Kaneki the win, deal?”

    Deal.

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