Accelerator Vs Goku

Accelerator Vs Goku

Suggested by The Hero Whitout a Name.

Accelerator (Toaru Majutsu) who appears here for the first time goes up against Goku (DBZ).

Rules:

First Round = Accelerator from the Sisters Saga.

Second Round = Accelerator from the New Testament Arc = Black Wings Accelerator.

Third Round is Accelerator from the 3rd World War Saga = Angel Accelerator.

Fourth Round = Accelerator is Bloodlusted.

Fifth Round = Both Accelerator & Goku are Fighting for there Love Ones (Last Order + The Misaka Sisters for Accelerator, Chichi Goten Gohan etc for Goku.)

Goku can use GT Feats + Movies Feats.

Accelerator can use Anime/Manga/Movie/Light Novels Feats.

Battle Takes Place Outside Academy City.

Who Wins? & Why?

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62 Comments on "Accelerator Vs Goku"

  1. Rookie March 17, 2015 at 2:23 am -      #1

    Probably Goku will win IMO.

  2. Commander Cross March 17, 2015 at 2:30 am -      #2

    How good are Prime Accelerator’s Reactions by chance?
    I know they’re never anything below Casual Superhuman but what I don’t know is HOW Superhuman would Prime Accelerator be, Incarnation-wise with Reactions and Reflexes.

    I do know Goku can be Bloody Quick and Mobile, and his Supernatural Defenses aren’t lacking either despite his Supernatural Firepower being better.
    Why does my gut hunch say this is like Akira vs Vegeta all over again by Principle where it boils down to Reactions, Reflexes and all that jazz?
    Depending on his Reaction Times and Reflexes, Accelerator might just last long enough to give us a fight on our hands if he lasts for the first 2 situations.
    Ideally speaking not the sort of fight I’d have in mind but eh, I didn’t get to read The Light Novels and I’m just talking Anime-wise for the most part. ._.’

  3. pimpmage March 17, 2015 at 3:06 am -      #3

    That accelerator picture is ezreal’s(League of Legends) body with another face stamped on top of it lol.

  4. Ragnorke March 17, 2015 at 3:34 am -      #4

    Is… Is that Ezreal…?
    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141013231628/leagueoflegends/images/f/ff/Ezreal_OriginalSkin_old2.jpg

    Edit: Whoops, pimp got here first.

  5. pimpmage March 17, 2015 at 3:49 am -      #5

    HUZZAH!

  6. Ragnorke March 17, 2015 at 4:26 am -      #6

    *Arcane Shifts away*

  7. Envoy March 17, 2015 at 10:01 am -      #7

    Accelerator kinda takes this handily.

    cuz his hands and uh, yeah.

  8. Polloloko March 17, 2015 at 10:07 am -      #8

    Can they at least Change the Accelerator Picture for this ones instead:

    i.ytimg.com/vi/F3-dec5g7H0/maxresdefault.jpg

    vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/toarumajutsunoindex/images/9/9f/Accelerator.png/revision/latest?cb=20140715005207&path-prefix=es

    photos1.iorbix.com/00/00/00/00/00/52/88/81/Accelerator-Akuserareta-aarfjvMJX-b.jpg
    —-
    Jeez, BankGambling got Lazy over the years -_- ( Sorry if this ofended anyone XP )

    PS. I will debate for Accelerator, If you People wants that is -_- XP

  9. Friendlysociopath March 17, 2015 at 10:17 am -      #9

    So there’s a guy in my gaming club that goes on and on about Accelerator and how he can beat anyone from video games or anime- someone wanna fill me in as to what he does?

  10. Secrecy27 March 17, 2015 at 10:38 am -      #10

    Something along the lines with totall control of vektors of anything he touch or touches him. Is always surrounded by a field that can redeflect anything from sunlight to sound, even electricity. Redeflects an railgun fired a few meters awar without noticing. Even stands in the middle of an dust explosion without harm

  11. Envoy March 17, 2015 at 11:04 am -      #11

    “So there’s a guy in my gaming club that goes on and on about Accelerator and how he can beat anyone from video games or anime- someone wanna fill me in as to what he does?”
    +
    He manipulates the laws of physics to control motion/energy/force/etc., when he encounters something that doesn’t obey those rules he manipulates them anyway.
    =
    I gonna rephrase, Accelerator takes round one no problem but dies via speedblitz in every other round.

  12. MrRyder March 17, 2015 at 11:36 am -      #12

    Defensively, Accelerator’s powers go all NOPE on anything trying to hurt him, and deflects them.

    Offensively, he can change stuff like the vector of force of which his big toe can touch the ground, and produces a crater as a result.

  13. Ragnorke March 17, 2015 at 1:00 pm -      #13

    “Offensively, he can change stuff like the vector of force of which his big toe can touch the ground, and produces a crater as a result.”

    To what degree though?
    Having control over something is fine and dandy, but saying he has limitless control over it without proof is a NLF. And even with proof is still questionable.

    So what are his proven limits? (via feats Ofcourse)

  14. Rookie March 17, 2015 at 1:19 pm -      #14

    @Ragnorke

    “So what are his proven limits? (via feats Ofcourse)”

    He deflected nuclear blast, which could’ve destroy entire Europe, while he himself was not in stable mental condition and did not have full control over his powers.

  15. PrimusxPilus March 17, 2015 at 1:20 pm -      #15

    Never heard of accelerator. Sounds cool

  16. Aelfinn March 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm -      #16

    Can he deflect Ki? It’s not exactly a normal force, and Goku, well, has a lot of it. Planet-destroying levels, in fact.

  17. pimpmage March 17, 2015 at 4:12 pm -      #17

    “Can he deflect Ki? It’s not exactly a normal force, and Goku, well, has a lot of it. Planet-destroying levels, in fact.”

    Goku destroys the planet. Accelerator suffocates in space. Goku wins.

  18. Friendlysociopath March 17, 2015 at 4:30 pm -      #18

    Out of curiosity, has anyone ever pointed out that Goku can just absorb the energy of his opponent from across the planet? Like he does for his spirit bomb?

  19. Jake_Uzumaki March 17, 2015 at 4:42 pm -      #19

    Has Goku ever actually tried to weaponize it? Cause usually he asks nicely for the planet to give him the energy, don’t think we’ve ever seen him forcibly take it.

  20. Friendlysociopath March 17, 2015 at 4:46 pm -      #20

    Has Goku ever actually tried to weaponize it? Cause usually he asks nicely for the planet to give him the energy, don’t think we’ve ever seen him forcibly take it.

    Isn’t that what he does for Frieza? He starts taking it from nearby planets too, he certainly didn’t get to ask their permission.

    Also, isn’t that exactly what he does when he fights Lord Bills? He absorbs the giant flaming ball of death?

  21. Aelfinn March 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #21

    “Out of curiosity, has anyone ever pointed out that Goku can just absorb the energy of his opponent from across the planet? Like he does for his spirit bomb?”

    I’m pretty sure it has to be given willingly. That was the whole thing with Kid Buu: they needed the people of earth to raise their jazz hands.
    =
    So I’m seeing Accelerator do things…and I can’t help but wonder how he’s going to beat Goku. He clearly needs to consciously activate his power: the fact that raindrops can touch him show that his power isn’t passive. He hasn’t shown the reactions to keep up with Goku, who’s massively hypersonic at minimum, sneaking up on relativistic at maximum, and as far as I’ve seen, he hasn’t redirected anything greater than Goku’s physical strength, let alone Goku’s ki. Of course, that nuke might mean something, but Goku’s ki attacks can outpace that.

  22. Ragnorke March 17, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #22

    So… Dunno how many of you guys watched or liked Power Rangers as kids (likely all of you?), but this is just fucking awesome. So watch it either way.



    I think it has some of the same cast too.
    Apologies for the off-topicness.

  23. Jake_Uzumaki March 17, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #23

    @Friendly
    i6.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/314/dragon-ball-69696.jpg
    “Lend me your strength all living things”

    And the Beerus attack required him to briefly reenter SSg mode to absorb the god ki. Different process entirely that Goku didn’t even know what he did.
    ——————————–
    Off Topic:
    Could Thing vs Kratos be an interesting fight?

  24. Secrecy27 March 17, 2015 at 5:59 pm -      #24

    So I’m seeing Accelerator do things…and I can’t help but wonder how he’s going to beat Goku. He clearly needs to consciously activate his power: the fact that raindrops can touch him show that his power isn’t passive

    Scenario 1 is pre Three Stories Arc, before he gets shot in the head and almost losses his powers. As for how he will defeat Goku, I don’t think he can, he can city bust, but thats all I know off. If CIS was active he could win, since Goku would punch himself to bits.

  25. Polloloko March 17, 2015 at 5:59 pm -      #25

    Accelerator’s Feats / Abilites / Powers + Calculations whit Explinations & Feats.

    Here some Proof:

    online.amanteanime.net/content/comics/to_aru_majutsu_no_index_4f348c6622dbb/_18_0__4f34902e85242/4_089.png

    =
    The ability to manipulate vectors Accelerator allows this obviate the conventional durability of any element because the fence makes everything into a single sense, that also includes the resistance of something (hence the nickname “Camino de Sole Sense” ) and is why it can break things like that.
    —-
    In other words = If Acelerator wants, he can rip Goku’s Head off “Sub-Zero Style XP”.
    =
    Take in mind that Vectors = Is Mass, Magnitude & Directions = Everything have that.

    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/8494/200799-accelerator1.png

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2tSJkp329M

    =

    Accelerator’s Vector Manipulation Info ( Stated in the Novels ):

    Vector Manipulation: Is the active effect of the Accelerator and requires active calculations in order to maintain it. A seemingly resent discovery of his Redirection, the effect allows Accelerator to manipulate Vectors instead of redirecting them. Its most likely this effect of being able to control everything in the world that Accelerator is described as “The One Who Wields the Power of God”, even more so now he can analyze and understand different laws.
    —-
    Acceleator’s use of Vector Manipulation:

    Earthquake Generation: By altering the vector of force applied to the ground by his feet, he causes a little explosion made of earth and rocks to attack his opponents.

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39055-12/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-18.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39055-21/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-18.html

    =
    At the beginning of the series this was his most common method of attack. He can also use this to propel himself forward, as seen in the Sisters Arc

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39054-29/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-17.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39054-30/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-17.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39054-31/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-17.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39056-3/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-19.html

    =
    (It even been stated that he can make himself as Strong, Faster & Durable as he wants to / needs too, by Manipulating his own Vectors ).

    , or cause massive destruction to the ground and surrounding buildings due to shock-waves created by the impact, as seen during his scuffle with Awaki in the Tree Diagram Remnant Arc

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=pREOMmhHyU8

    =
    Tactile Telekinesis: By touching an object, he can use his ability to change the magnitude of vectors he comes in contact with, such as seen during his fight with Kamijou Touma in the Sisters Arc. This allows him to change the vectors of objects in such a way that he can turn them to projectiles. An example of the use of this ability is in his fight with Touma, when he lightly kicked a rock to make it shoot like a bullet, or when he stomped on train rails to push them out of their sockets, and lightly knocked on them to make those rails rain upon Touma. This ability also allows him to mimic superhuman strength, as he once used it to pick up and throw a concrete wall.

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39055-15/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-18.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39055-16/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-18.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39055-17/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-18.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39055-18/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-18.html

    =
    Aerokinesis: He can re-vector the surrounding winds and force them to congregate at a single point creating an extremely high velocity wind

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39056-27/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-19.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39056-28/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-19.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39056-29/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-19.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39057-3/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-20.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39057-4/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-20.html

    =
    +

    He even Created Plasma, More known as Plasma Generation: He can even create plasma by further compressing the wind at high speeds in a single point.

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39057-11/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-20.html

    www.mangareader.net/1007-39057-12/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/chapter-20.html

    www.mangareader.net/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou/38/2

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYm2Ev3zs5E

    —-
    Kinetic Energy Manipulation: Shown in Volume 13, he takes control of the planet’s rotational vectors and transfers an enormous amount of that energy into one attack. This attack used up so much of the planets rotational energy that it slowed down the the earth’s rotation by about 5 minutes.
    —-
    Flight: By controlling the wind around him he creates about 4 high-powered tornadoes behind him to allow him to fly. Showed in Vol.8 and 15. He is also able to redirect the vectors of gravity upon him.

    vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/toarumajutsunoindex/images/5/50/Snapshot20101120224438.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130216200832&path-prefix=es

    —-
    Blood Control: In Volume 19, where he was cut by the wings of Aiwass, he was able to survive because he used his ability and brought them through his destroyed veins. It seems like he can close his wound completely; only a few days later he travelled with Last Order in a train because he needed to find Index and his choker was on ‘normal mode’, which means he wasn’t using his ability, in Volume 22 he used Index’s ‘Heal Song’ and healed Last Order but couldn’t prevent the backslash, his body destroyed itself, before that he was shot several times by Worst. After the WW3, where he gained a halo over his head and White Wings, it seemed like this wounds weren’t a threat to him anymore, at least it wasn’t mentioned that they would be a disadvantage to him.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4TKNF7eDWY

    —-
    Ultra Pulple Ligth Rays ( Ligth from the Sun = Ligthspeed ) cant touch him ( The Ligth from the sun Never Touched him in his life ).

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3356867-1048223864-to-ar.jpg

    —-
    Accelerator making a Dust Explosion

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=09feqUESeYw

    =
    In the Novels it was even stated that Accelerator can make Dust Explosion whitout flour just whit a stomp, + he can make them as huge as he wants it to be.
    —-
    Accelerator vs. Misaka Mikoto Round 1:

    Misaka uses Iron Sand on Accelerator

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=09feqUESeYw

    ( Iron Sand:Using her ligthing / electricity / magnetic powers,By making the sand particles of the blade to vibrate, she can dramatically increase the weapon’s cutting power into something resembling that of a chainsaw cutting things in seconds in contact. )

    = Didnt Work on Accelerator.

    Misaka uses her Electro Magnetic Proyectiles on Accelerator

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BYTW91-Czo

    ( Electromagnetism: Mikoto can use electromagnetism to attract and repel metallic materials and use it to her advantage. Examples include creating a make-shift shield out of scrap metal, walking on walls and ceilings, as well as attracting iron particles in the ground around her. )

    = It didnt work on Accelerator.

    Misaka using her Iconic *RailGun* on Accelerator

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGoLG_b1Xg

    ( Railgun: Misaka can fire metal objects at three times the speed of sound ( Normal / Holding Back Railgun = Stated in the Novels ) by forming parallel currents on both sides of her arm with her electricity. A serious Railgun by her can travel speeds surpassing the Speed of Ligth “FTL”, a Full Powered Railgun by her can go even faster + destructive and can be fired at a rate of 8 shots per minute. She has hinted she can fire multiple coins at once creating a Rail-Shotgun.)

    = It didnt Work ether :(
    —-
    Here some more Feats of Accelerator:

    Kid Accelerator as a Kid

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhwDk2-BbaQ

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKXbxBJ02G8

    =
    Accelerator throwing a Boulding

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbKb2U9D0Sk

    =
    Accelerator showing his Powers to the Scientists

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3jhTaFfG98

    =
    Accelerator not giving a Fuck ( Start on 1:54 ).

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOQBwp8tEJQ

    =
    Accelerator Half Awakening “Black Wings”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIhC4sbXIC0

    vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/images/4/49/Accelerator's_Black_Wing.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130429162613

    ( Accelerator’s Black Wings: He gains black wings towards the end of volume 13 when he had a epiphany to give his own life to protect Last Order & the Sisters. And again he awakened whit his black wings in his fight with the other level 5, Kakine Teitoku in Volume 15, during which he displayed a massive difference in power between them. When he Awakens to black wings, Accelerator usually loses almost all conscious control of himself and begins to speak in the language of the Angels. He gains the ability to understand laws that are hitherto unknown and unexplainable to him, and no longer needs to be touching vectors to control them. When under tremendous emotional pressure like in extreme rage, he manifests massive black wings, stated to be made of the same “Dark Matter” that the #2 Level 5 Kakine Teitoku creates with his ability. These wings do all the vector-related calculations for him, implied to be a much faster rate than his original calculating abilities- perhaps infinitely so, and as a result he does not need the Misaka Network to manipulate vectors.
    =

    Angel Accelerator

    s177.photobucket.com/user/taijiyacest/media/tumblr_ll4225Uuyd1qf5nuso1_500.jpg.html

    ( In volume 22, due to his pillar of support being changed by an epiphany after being defeated by Touma again, he manifests white wings and a halo and is able to block a massive amount of Telesma that Fiamma of the Right launched from the Star of Bethlehem. The Angelic nature of his ability is described as “The One Who Wields the Power of God”, and can now manipulate imaginary vectors, like creating his own oxigen to breath. )

    Heres how Powerfull Angel Class really are = toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Angel

    Cuz Index / Reailgun Reality is more like our Reality cuz of one thing…….God & Jesus Christ, there all very much above the word OP, if you ask me XP
    —-
    Anyway sorry it takes to fucking loooooong XP these are my Scans & Facts about Accelerator.

    Accelerator will Win.

  26. Envoy March 17, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #26

    “To what degree though?”
    +
    At Level 5 Accelerator can manipulate anything he touches, at Level Six he can manipulate anything he sees as well.
    =
    “So what are his proven limits? (via feats Ofcourse)”
    +
    “Accelerator stuck his hand into a nearby concrete wall. He manipulated the vectors so
    his arm sank in as easily as if the wall was made of tofu. Accelerator shouted so loud
    blood came from his throat and he moved his arm complexly around in the wall.
    He took control of all of the vectors.
    A great roar exploded out.
    In that instant, earth’s rotation slowed by about 5 minutes for September 30.
    His arm took the massive energy of the planet’s rotation and used his vector control to
    transform it into a demonic strike.
    The concrete wall he forcibly gouged out was thrown with frightening speed. Accelerator
    stood in an alley surrounded by buildings, but the several buildings between him and his
    target were torn through like paper.
    His worries about his surroundings and unrelated people had completely evaporated for
    an instant.
    By the time he came to his senses, he had already thrown it.
    He was over two kilometers from his target.”
    -Volume 13, P.124
    +
    He’s suffering from brain damage during this, so his calculations aren’t as good as they would be in round one. The passage goes on for a while, his target doesn’t sustain any damage Accelerator gets even more P.O.’d.
    =
    “Can he deflect Ki? It’s not exactly a normal force, and Goku, well, has a lot of it. Planet-destroying levels, in fact.”
    +
    He’s deflected general magic before, which in this verse is made of life energy. You also seem to be misunderstanding something, Accelerator doesn’t manipulate specific amounts of anything, he tweaks the thing behind it, no matter how large or strong its only a number to him. He’s literally done it in his sleep.
    =
    “Goku destroys the planet. Accelerator suffocates in space. Goku wins.”
    +
    There are other humans on earth, so no. Goku wouldn’t do that.

  27. hellboy147 March 17, 2015 at 8:23 pm -      #27

    Goku takes all the round via Dragon fist. Same reason why he can defeat Hulk

  28. hellboy147 March 18, 2015 at 2:59 am -      #28

    ” could thing vs kratos be a good fight?”

    I had this one in my mind from a long time, go ahead.
    Another one Kratos vs wolverine

  29. TheSorrow March 18, 2015 at 3:17 am -      #29

    Oh man, the Accelerator, that’s a tough one to think about. There are such a wide variety of ways for him to attack. The only way I could see this working out for Goku, is if he somehow manages to figure out a way to deprive him of oxygen.

  30. Tails111 March 18, 2015 at 10:26 am -      #30

    Aw man, Accelerator is crazy strong, but against Goku….

    I’m surprised it took this long for Accelerator to appear on this site, but I guess the Index/Raingun verse isn’t that popular in the US….

  31. LadyRamkin March 18, 2015 at 10:48 am -      #31

    IF he can redirect any force applied to him cant he redirect Gokus attack’s back at Goku, he must be able to hurt himself, right?

  32. Tarbel March 18, 2015 at 7:37 pm -      #32

    “( Railgun: Misaka can fire metal objects at three times the speed of sound ( Normal / Holding Back Railgun = Stated in the Novels ) by forming parallel currents on both sides of her arm with her electricity. A serious Railgun by her can travel speeds surpassing the Speed of Ligth “FTL”, a Full Powered Railgun by her can go even faster + destructive and can be fired at a rate of 8 shots per minute. She has hinted she can fire multiple coins at once creating a Rail-Shotgun.)”

    Gonna need a source for this one.



    Exactly how fast Accelerator can react is the main factor deciding whether this match is a stomp. (as Commander Cross noted)
    Someone should get on that.
    Also, deflecting sunlight may not be an actual reaction time number because if he can turn his ability on sort of like a passive ability to deflect certain objects, it doesn’t account for reaction time. For example, his ability may be seen as something similar to taking out a mirror to deflect sunlight, which says nothing for how fast he can do it.


    Can Accelerator apply a random multiplying factor to the vectors which he controls, or does he require actual existing vectors to increase the power of a certain vector?

    I’ll just calculate slowing earth down by 5 minutes:
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/toaru-majutsu-no-index-accelerator-calcs.233536/
    Mass of earth=5.972E24 kg
    Angular velocity of earth= 7.2921159*10^-5 rad/s (24 hrs in one day)
    www.universetoday.com/89406/angular-velocity-of-earth/
    Rotational energy = .5*I*w^2
    where I = moment of inertia and w=angular velocity
    Moment of inertia of earth (axis): 8.034*10^37 kg*m^2
    scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/MomentofInertiaEarth.html
    Rotational energy = .5(8.034*10^37 kg*m^2)(7.2921159*10^-5 rad/s)^2 = 2.1360379141921479777×10^30 joules
    Now to get the energy of the attack, it would be normal rotational energy of earth vs rotational energy of earth with day being 5 minutes less.
    Angular velocity of 5 minute less earth = 2*pi/(86400 seconds+300seconds) = 7.2470419 e-5 rad/s
    Rotational energy of 5 minute less earth = .5(8.034*10^37 kg*m^2)(7.2470419*10^-5 rad/s)^2 = 2.1097129867852848537×10^30

    Difference = 2.6324927406863124×10^28 joules = 6.29180865 trillion megatons of TNT or billions of times stronger than Tsar Bomba (strongest bomb detonated).
    Of course, this is still several thousand times lower than planet busting.

  33. Tarbel March 18, 2015 at 7:47 pm -      #33

    Goku wouldn’t throw a full strength attack right off the bat, and so would probably be able to tank the reflect much easier than this:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+19&page=11

  34. Polloloko March 18, 2015 at 11:00 pm -      #34

    @Tarbel.

    “Gonna need a source for this one.”

    Allready show it XP

    When Misaka Mikoto shoots her Bloodusted Railgun ( FTL ) at Accelerator ( Both Misaka & Accelerator were in there Sisters Saga Conterparts = Begining of Series ) whit Accelerator Reflecting it like it was nothing.
    +
    In the Novels they show how much Powerfull they have really become rigth now in the series.
    —-
    “Difference = 2.6324927406863124×10^28 joules = 6.29180865 trillion megatons of TNT or billions of times stronger than Tsar Bomba (strongest bomb detonated).
    Of course, this is still several thousand times lower than planet busting.”

    Correct, Nice Calculation ( Love It XP ), but Remember, Accelerator can still Vector Manipulate that attack to make even more deadlier ( Destructive ) if he wanted too = Stated in the Ligth Novels.
    —-
    “Goku wouldn’t throw a full strength attack right off the bat, and so would probably be able to tank the reflect much easier than this:”

    If Goku Attacks Accelerator = Goku’s Attacks makes contact whit Accelerator = Goku’s Arms or Legs will be Broken = Even Goku’s own Ki attacks will Backfire rigth back at himself whit the same Force, Speed & Magnitude “Hitting Goku ( Hitting Himself )” = + One touch from Accelerator will make Goku’s Blood to go in Reverse making his Internal Organs to Burst = Dead Goku.
    —-
    Round 1 = Accelerator will Baby Shake ( Waaaaay Easly ) Kill Goku. = Accelerator Takes It.

    Round 2 = Depends, Goku *Migth* Beat Base Accelerator whit Extremly High Dificulty, but Goku dies in a second when Accelerator turns into Black Wings Form. = Accelerator wins.

    Round 3 = Goku will be killed very much easy there by Base Accelerator, Black Wings will be a Stomp in Favor of Accelerator, in Angel Form…… Goku is turned into dust ( Out of Existence ) in a micro Second. = Accelerator Takes It.

    Round 4 = Goku’s Done For there..Holy Fuck O.O = Accelerator Killer Godly Stomp there.

    Round 5 = The Sisters are in Play…O.O…Means Bloodusted ( One hit Kill ) Accelerator…O.O….Goku’s Dead the moment the Battle starts. = Accelerator Masacre Stomp.

  35. Tarbel March 19, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #35

    Can you repeat that source?
    If it’s this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGoLG_b1Xg , I don’t see anything which points to the railgun firing FTL projectiles, especially when lightning arcs streak past near instantaneously while the actual attack slowly reaches its target. It’s all slowed down of course, but the fact that lightning is sublight and is much faster than the railgun’s attack shows it is much slower than even lightspeed.
    So, I’ll need a source that specifically shows and/or says that the railgun attack is FTL.


    “If Goku Attacks Accelerator = Goku’s Attacks makes contact whit Accelerator = Goku’s Arms or Legs will be Broken = Even Goku’s own Ki attacks will Backfire rigth back at himself whit the same Force, Speed & Magnitude “Hitting Goku ( Hitting Himself )” = + One touch from Accelerator will make Goku’s Blood to go in Reverse making his Internal Organs to Burst = Dead Goku.”

    It seems you severely underestimate Goku. Without an estimate on Accelerator’s reaction time, I’ll have to assume that Goku is much faster than Accelerator can react. This pretty much stops any chance of Accelerator consciously touching Goku and activating his ability to control his body. Meanwhile, Goku’s body isn’t so weak that a reflected punch, kick, or physical blow will immediately break his body, since he is pretty much always fighting much stronger opponents than himself and resisting their blows. He can also take his general ki attacks just fine when he’s not totally exhausted: view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball.html?ch=Volume+19&page=11



    Another thing to bring up is what was the strongest attack which Accelerator has reflected with his shield and see if it is comparable to Goku’s strongest attack. No Limits Fallacy comes into play if Goku’s power severely outmatches Accelerator’s shown defense.

  36. Polloloko March 19, 2015 at 11:47 am -      #36

    “Can you repeat that source?
    If it’s this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGoLG_b1Xg , I don’t see anything which points to the railgun firing FTL projectiles, especially when lightning arcs streak past near instantaneously while the actual attack slowly reaches its target. It’s all slowed down of course, but the fact that lightning is sublight and is much faster than the railgun’s attack shows it is much slower than even lightspeed.
    So, I’ll need a source that specifically shows and/or says that the railgun attack is FTL.”

    *Facepalm*
    You said rigth there “It’s all slowed down of course”, but dont forget the Facts that in the Novels they stated that The Railgun is so fast that it surpass the speed of ligth, In the Anime they have to slow it down when Misaka was all Blooddusted on Accelerator’s First Encounter for the Loss of her First Sister ( Clone ) in the hands of Accelerator.
    Take in Mind that The Sisters Saga is were Accelerator apears in the Series = Begining of Series.
    In future Chapters in the Novels ( 3rd World War ) they are more than all that, making the debut of Misaka’s Rail Shootgun & Multiple ( 8 ) Railguns shoots.
    In Sisters Saga = Touma Kamijou > Accelerator >> Misaka Mikoto.
    =
    3rd World War Saga = Touma > Misaka > Accelerator.
    —-
    “It seems you severely underestimate Goku. Without an estimate on Accelerator’s reaction time, I’ll have to assume that Goku is much faster than Accelerator can react. This pretty much stops any chance of Accelerator consciously touching Goku and activating his ability to control his body. Meanwhile, Goku’s body isn’t so weak that a reflected punch, kick, or physical blow will immediately break his body, since he is pretty much always fighting much stronger opponents than himself and resisting their blows. He can also take his general ki attacks just fine when he’s not totally exhausted:”
    I think you are confiusing yourself there man, Goku in his max ( SSJ4 ) is 3 Times the Speed of Ligth. ( SSJG is Ligthspeed ) = ( SSJ3 is Masive Hypersonic ).

    Accelerator can reflect Ligth from the Sun ( Ligthspeed ) in his sleep + Reflected Misaka’s First ever All Out Railgun ( FTL ).
    +
    Accelerator can Manipulate his own Vectors to make himself Stronger, Faster & Durable if he needs to, thats why Scientists calls him “The Accelerator ( Accelerator for shrorts )”

    I dont Underestimate Goku man, what makes you think that? I Love Goku alot, but he is facing Accelerator of all Peaple, that is the Recarnation of Angel Gabriel = Real Angel from the Bible ( Stated in the Novels ) making Accelerator into an Angel Class.

    I think you didnt understand the use of Vector Manipulation = The ability to manipulate vectors Accelerator allows this obviate the conventional durability of any element because the fence makes everything into a single sense, that also includes the resistance of something – From the Ligth Novels.

    Overall = Goku makes Contact whit Accelerator or Vice Versa = Goku is dead.

  37. Tarbel March 19, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #37

    “*Facepalm*”

    You see a slowed down scene. There are two objects: object A and object B. We know the speed of object A to be 100 m/s, but we don’t know the speed of object B. However, we see in the scene that object A (traveling at 100m/s) moves many times faster than object B. A conclusion can then be drawn that object B is many times slower than object A which moves at 100m/s. This means object B moves many times slower than 100m/s.
    Now all you have to do is replace object A with the lightning arc, the speed it moves at with ~10,000 km/s, and the object B with the railgun shot. The lightning arc shown in the scene is much faster than the railgun shot. The lightning arc is ~1/30th the speed of light, meaning the railgun shot which is slower than that, is much slower than ~1/30th the speed of light, which is most definitely not FTL.

    “*Facepalm*”


    “You said rigth there “It’s all slowed down of course”, but dont forget the Facts that in the Novels they stated that The Railgun is so fast that it surpass the speed of ligth, In the Anime they have to slow it down when Misaka was all Blooddusted on Accelerator’s First Encounter for the Loss of her First Sister ( Clone ) in the hands of Accelerator.”

    This is the source I am asking for. I’m not asking for you claiming that it is FTL in the novel. I’m asking for the actual words from within the novel and the name of the novel in which it was taken from. That’s what a source is.
    I’m not completely knowledgeable of the series that Accelerator originates from, so I don’t know for a fact anything about the series, especially when it’s not an extremely popular and well known fiction.


    “I think you are confiusing yourself there man, Goku in his max ( SSJ4 ) is 3 Times the Speed of Ligth. ( SSJG is Ligthspeed ) = ( SSJ3 is Masive Hypersonic ).”

    There is no proper source for this estimate for his speed. And I don’t understand how this has anything to do with responding the part of my comment you quoted, considering no reaction time has been validly attributed to Accelerator.


    “Accelerator can reflect Ligth from the Sun ( Ligthspeed ) in his sleep + Reflected Misaka’s First ever All Out Railgun ( FTL ).
    +
    Accelerator can Manipulate his own Vectors to make himself Stronger, Faster & Durable if he needs to, thats why Scientists calls him “The Accelerator ( Accelerator for shrorts )””

    Refer to the upper middle of post #32. Considering Accelerator doesn’t have this ability up at all times (like when he gets shot by a bullet), there is reason to believe that there is an activation time which is probably equivalent to his thought speed.
    Also, the last section of post #35 regarding NLF. ( factpile.com/2812-factpile-debating-rules/ )


    “I dont Underestimate Goku man, what makes you think that? I Love Goku alot, but he is facing Accelerator of all Peaple, that is the Recarnation of Angel Gabriel = Real Angel from the Bible ( Stated in the Novels ) making Accelerator into an Angel Class.”

    I’m not knowledgeable of the series, and those ranks/statuses. Mentioning that he is the reincarnation of Gabriel has no impact on the matter. I may as well say Goku is stronger than god and can beat him, because Kami was Earth’s god in DBZ.


    “I think you didnt understand the use of Vector Manipulation = The ability to manipulate vectors Accelerator allows this obviate the conventional durability of any element because the fence makes everything into a single sense, that also includes the resistance of something – From the Ligth Novels.

    Overall = Goku makes Contact whit Accelerator or Vice Versa = Goku is dead.”

    First of all, I’ve stated how Goku wouldn’t die or even majorly hurt himself when coming into contact with Accelerator’s vector shield. His durability isn’t so weak as to break his arm if he were to punch his own arm (which is basically what the vector shield is going to do). He can also survive his own ki attacks just fine, or deflect it, or dodge it.
    So contact with Accelerator does not = Goku is dead.
    Second, there is the NLF involved with whether Accelerator can even deflect an attack with the magnitude of energy capable of destroying earth several times over (a strong Kamehameha). This ki attack would not be just twice as strong or ten times as strong as (what I assume to be) Accelerator’s strongest bloodlusted attack (the absorption of the energy of earth’s rotation), but over 10 thousand times stronger than that attack. To put that in perspective, even Master Roshi or Piccolo’s moonbusting attack are stronger than Accelerator’s strongest shown attack.
    Even though Accelerator can manipulate the very basis of vectors as his ability, you’ll need to prove that he can so easily deflect a vector of this magnitude. As an example, you can say that a resistor by its very nature will reduce the flow of current from a voltage source in a circuit, but that doesn’t mean it can reduce the flow of any voltage source in a circuit. At some high enough level of voltage source, the resistor will overheat and burn out. In Accelerator’s case, we can probably say he can deflect as much energy as he has exerted from the attack which absorbed energy from the Earth’s rotation. However, you can’t say that he can deflect an infinite amount of energy with his ability because he hasn’t shown this. If he hasn’t shown this, than it’s a fallacy to claim he has no limit to the magnitude of the vectors he deflects, because he could have a limit which we have not seen yet (or won’t ever see). That’s the basis for the concept behind No Limits Fallacy.

  38. Envoy March 19, 2015 at 4:57 pm -      #38

    “Meanwhile, Goku’s body isn’t so weak that a reflected punch, kick, or physical blow will immediately break his body, since he is pretty much always fighting much stronger opponents than himself and resisting their blows.”
    +
    Uh, reflecting a punch isn’t like launching a punch at the offending punch. The force of Goku’s punch wouldn’t just affect his fist, it goes back to its origins.
    +
    Its like jamming your finger, you can normally take that force but the angles at which the force is applied is the problem.
    +
    “At first, everyone thought that he was just stronger than those around him. However, when it rained, it poured. And to him, the greatest calamity was that his power was a lot stronger than what he had thought. The youths of the same age who rushed at him had their bones fractured on a single
    touch. The teachers came to stop him, and their bones were broken as well”
    Volume 5, Part 3, P.118
    +
    Those children do not have the power to break bones, but since the force reflected is acting on certain parts its much more deadly.

  39. Nsl98 March 19, 2015 at 7:24 pm -      #39

    Off Topic:

    Apparently I can’t comment on his fight against Superman, but the guys over at Screw Attack are apparently making a rematch.
    —-
    10 bucks says they make Goku win.

  40. Friendlysociopath March 19, 2015 at 8:04 pm -      #40

    10 bucks says they make Goku win.

    I doubt that so very much, if they do I’ll laugh really, really, really hard and then be disappointed. I don’t like Superman as a character at all, but he trashes Goku.

  41. LadyRamkin March 19, 2015 at 8:10 pm -      #41

    Powerpuff girls would wreck Superman

  42. Nsl98 March 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm -      #42

    I don’t know, Bats vs Cap was basically a consolation for his fight against Spidey.
    —-
    And they had Ragna beat Dante in one minute Melee.
    —-
    I’m totally prepared for them to declare SSG Goku>Superman.

  43. Jake_Uzumaki March 19, 2015 at 8:38 pm -      #43

    I read that apparently Bills is going to starbust at some point, or to have starbusted at some point. Let the reignition of DBZ wank begin…..

  44. TheSorrow March 19, 2015 at 11:19 pm -      #44

    Well at least we are smart enough to actually call bullshit when we see it. I may be a huge fan DBZ, but I never let that get in the way of who I think will win in a fight, despite what Kitten Lord may try to say.

  45. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets March 19, 2015 at 11:27 pm -      #45

    “Apparently I can’t comment on his fight against Superman, but the guys over at Screw Attack are apparently making a rematch.”

    Dumb… I’m sure they’ll use a different version of Supes and include SSG Goku for the match… At least this way it’s not completely the same exact thing…
    =
    “I’m totally prepared for them to declare SSG Goku>Superman.”

    Probably… I hope they just stick to their guns. Regardless of whom they have enough win everyone is going to birch and moan about it…
    =
    “I read that apparently Bills is going to starbust at some point, or to have starbusted at some point. Let the reignition of DBZ wank begin…..”

    Well at least it won’t be completely unjustified anymore… It’s already been mentioned in a guidebook(which I used to use as evidence), but if we do use the guidebook as evidence then we have to take Cell’s statement seriously, cus the guidebook does as well.

  46. Friendlysociopath March 19, 2015 at 11:39 pm -      #46

    Probably… I hope they just stick to their guns. Regardless of whom they have enough win everyone is going to birch and moan about it…

    This is pretty much the defining point about whether I respect someone who does that sort of thing or not.
    People aren’t reasonable, they don’t like characters they love losing in hypothetical contests- no matter what your reasoning is.

    Because in the mind of this type of person “There’s no way he knows the character better than I do, he must’ve not thought of this or he’s just biased and didn’t want my guy to win!”

    Er, I’ve dealt with gaming fanboys for over 3 years now as a video game page on Facebook- my patience has been empowered to saintly proportions by my fanbase. As an unfortunate side-effect, I now bitch about said fanboys at the slightest chance for empathy.

  47. Tarbel March 20, 2015 at 2:48 am -      #47

    “Uh, reflecting a punch isn’t like launching a punch at the offending punch. The force of Goku’s punch wouldn’t just affect his fist, it goes back to its origins.
    +
    Its like jamming your finger, you can normally take that force but the angles at which the force is applied is the problem.”

    From what I can tell, it seems like the reflect would be the same as Goku punching fists with another Goku punching with the same strength. Unless Accelerator consciously changes the angle of the vector upon impact, then the force of the blow would still be through the line of impact of the punch. That means the deflected force will be at an angle which the puncher would have expected the original force of the punch to be.
    By original force, I mean the normal force from Newton’s laws (equal and opposite reaction). A normal punch would exert equal force to the target and equal force to the fist; the deflected punch would exert double that force to only the fist and none to the target.
    This is sort of similar to punching something harder than you expected; when you punch something, you tense your fist up with a level of rigidity which will match how strong you are throwing the punch. If you don’t tense up your fist, than the force of the blow will be less evenly distributed throughout your fist, exerting more force to the more vulnerable parts of your hand (tensed up, your fist will be similar to being ~pressurized and will resist force equally throughout, e.g. an inflated balloon is harder to poke and deform than a deflated balloon; with enough deformity, something will reach its breaking point like stretching gum til it rips).
    So when someone comes into contact with Accelerator’s vector shield, they will have a certain rigidity (from the natural amount without tensing up to their max with tensing) to fight the normal force from the point of impact. However, the shield deflects the force, exerting twice the amount of force to the point of contact, which is more force than the tensed up (or not tensed up) point of contact could withstand allowing more deformation in vulnerable internal points>causing damage.
    Jamming your finger isn’t solely because of the angle, it’s because your body didn’t expect that much force at that moment of time, and so it didn’t counteract and/or tense up the finger in time or enough. There are certain angles which the finger can resist a force better, but my first point is the main reason.
    In this way, it can be possible for bone to break/fracture against the vector shield with little force. It’s the same concept as not knowing how to throw a punch or kick, you can hurt yourself by not tensing the limb right. In this case, it’ll be similar to punching without tensing with twice the amount of force, except not exactly because the amount of force is what makes your punch not tensed up appropriately. It is sort of similar to punching an object harder than you expect because a normal soft object would deform upon impact and the contacted surface area of your fist would increase, distributing the force more evenly. When you hit something rigid, it doesn’t deform and only the surface areas of, say, your knuckles would impact, causing all the force to go through that area first. A vector deflected punch would exert that amount of force to your whole fist (which is ‘counteracted’ by the tensing up of the fist), and then that amount of force again which is not counteracted. And this is similar to punching your fist except more, because you would be punching a fist punching with the strength of your punch. And so if you have regular/low durability and use improper form, you can fracture/break bones, which is the case with the normal people breaking themselves on contact with Accelerator. They are probably also exerting themselves relatively highly if they are trying to stop someone which makes them more likely to hurt themselves so badly.
    Another thing to take into account is toughness, which is how much energy it takes for something to break. It’s similar to what I described before, except on a much smaller scale, like molecular structure, but the concept is the same. Rocks have low toughness but high compressive strength, brittle but hard to crush. Under a strong impact in a short amount of time, the rocks will experience too much deformation too quickly and weaker areas in the molecular structure of the rock will separate first because the weaker areas deform more under stress. Bones also have a low toughness, which is why they are very likely to break when twice the amount of energy is exerted over the same volume.

    Now back to Goku attacking. Normal humans will have a certain toughness to strength ratio for their body (bone toughness to muscle strength). Human fighters, say Muy Thai practitioner, will have a higher toughness to strength ratio for their body, specifically their legs because they kick and roll hard objects over their bones to create microscopic fractures which heal and strengthen it. Then we have Goku, who is a saiyan, with a body naturally much more durable than any regular human fighter. And he has also fought and trained substantially more than pretty much any known human fighter of the same age ever has (trained by a superhuman martial arts master since he was a baby and trained to strengthen himself and fight pretty much his entire life). Now consider that he is facing someone who is physically beyond substantially weaker than him, meaning a normal attack would be overkill. Then consider that Goku has many times exerted himself seemingly hard during the start of a match where the physical blows drew blood, but considered it a mere warm up (Piccolo, Frieza, Cell) And finally, consider that Goku has faced and withstood many physical blows from enemies ranging from stronger to massively stronger without having any bones break.
    Goku’s first physical attacks against Accelerator would indubitably be less than less than 50% (not a typo), where I assume less than 50% is warmup level strength and the extra less than is to account for the difference in strength between the two characters (Goku, most of the time, wouldn’t intentionally overkill an opponent). Meanwhile, his toughness to strength ratio is beyond any real human fighter. I would definitely not think that Goku could hurt himself enough to break bone while using less than normal power. Then again, Goku’s warm ups were against strong opponents with mutual instinct so Goku might consider Accelerator more akin to fodder (respectfully) and not use warm up attacks and end it quicker. Either way, Goku would use a level of strength so as to not obliterate his opponent, so I still doubt he would get hurt upon a reflect.


    Now this was a long post with mostly explanation. >.>

  48. Polloloko March 20, 2015 at 12:53 pm -      #48

    @Tarbel.

    “You see a slowed down scene. There are two objects: object A and object B. We know the speed of object A to be 100 m/s, but we don’t know the speed of object B. However, we see in the scene that object A (traveling at 100m/s) moves many times faster than object B. A conclusion can then be drawn that object B is many times slower than object A which moves at 100m/s. This means object B moves many times slower than 100m/s.
    Now all you have to do is replace object A with the lightning arc, the speed it moves at with ~10,000 km/s, and the object B with the railgun shot. The lightning arc shown in the scene is much faster than the railgun shot. The lightning arc is ~1/30th the speed of light, meaning the railgun shot which is slower than that, is much slower than ~1/30th the speed of light, which is most definitely not FTL.”

    That was in the Anime -_-, do you want to see nothing in seconds in an anime? No, cuz they have to Slow It down for us to see whats going on on the First Place, Its very clear that Misaka’s Blooddusted Railgun on Accelerator in the SIsters Saga was FTL in the Novels, but in the Anime they have to make it diferent “Slow Motion” to see it animated.

    Anyway here:

    “Mikoto was angry at the person in front of her that just killed one of her clones at cold blood, Misaka run rigth to this person, unleashing a burst of ligthing all over the area using her magnetic abilite around her to make all the sand particles to vibrate making a huge tornado made of Iron Sand, the boy was standing there and said

    [ Ooh…., Awesome, awesome! what’s this? a new power? ] – Unknown Boy.

    then she throws it at him whit hope that will kill him, she hears a sound

    [ Oh!?! so this is the famous Iron Sand I keep hearing about….you are manipulating the Iron Sand via magnetism? thats an interesting way to use it! ] – Unknown Boy.

    the boy was standing inside the tornado made of Iron Sand just like nothing is happening, the tornado isnt touching him at all, then the young man smile and the tornado vanish off of him and said

    [ If there’s is a gap in the center though, It wont do any good. ] – Unknown Boy.

    Mikoto was in shock that somebody shrug it off one of her attacks like nothing

    [ No way….He took that head-on and come out unscathed ] – Mikoto to herself.

    then Mikoto look around her left side and saw the container that was use by the young boy to kill her clone, there she saw one of the legs of her clone that was ripped off by the boy and saw alot of blood coming out under the container, this makes her very much afraid and started screaming letting her power out of control whit alot of ligthing bolts around her scattering all over the field making steel rails and the train rails to elevate thanks to her magnetism power, when she is out of control the boy saw it whit an impressed look

    [ This power… you ] – Unknown Boy.

    then Mikoto sends alot of steel rails from the sky to go rigth to the boy like if it were proyectiles at speed approximately 343.2 m/s, 1,125 ft/s, 768 mph, 667 knots, or 1,235 km/h, speeds greater than five times the speed of sound (Mach 5) are often referred to as hypersonic, while the boy was still standing like if he didnt care at all, the rails were impacting the ground rigth till it gets to the boy, the rails were blown away nearly hitting Mikoto who dodge one of the rails head on

    [ What is…. ] – Mikoto.

    then she was again in shock that all her rails proyectiles were blown away in contact whit the boy, then the boy smiled and started talking

    [ Now I get it!! ( Laugh )……..youre the original! ( Smiled ) ] – Unknown Boy.

    these words gives Mikoto a huge cold fear under her spine

    [ If I figth you, I guess It’d really speed up this slugish program…. ] – Unknown Boy said as he took one step toward.

    [ I was really beginning to get bore, Im counting on you original. ] – Unknown Boy started walking toward Mikoto.

    the young boy stop for a moment when he sees that Mikoto was pointing at him whit a coin

    [ Why….. ] – Mikoto started talking.

    [ Why did you participate in this program!? ] – Mikoto said to the Unknown Boy.

    [ Huh? what’s this all of a sudden? ] – Unknown Boy said to her.

    [ Answer Me!..If you have that much power, Its not like you could be forced into it… ] – Mikoto scream whit frustration in her face to the Unknown Boy.

    [ What’s your reason for taking part in this messed-up program!?, did you have a groudge against her?! ] – Mikoto keeps screaming at the Unknown Boy.

    [ Reason? reason huh…. well that’s…. ] – Unknown Boy answers Mikoto.

    [ To gain absolute power ] – Uknown Boy answers as he raised his arm to the sky with his fist toward the full moon.

    Mikoto just stand there in shock and listening what the young boy was saying

    [ Whit stuff like “Level 5″ or “Strongest in Academy City”, thats just boring, rigth? ] – Uknown Boy continue.

    [ Power that’s enough to make people not even dream of chalenging me……”Level 6″ Is what I want. ] – Unkown Boy ended his answer with that.

    then there was silence… until Mokoto started to speak

    [ “Absolute Power”? “Invincible”….. for that…] – Mikoto said.

    flash backs of the death of her clone, rushed into Mikoto’s head making her very angry whit murderous intent

    [ For something like that… you…for that… ] – Mikoto struggles to speak whit her anger.

    [ YOU KILLED HER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!? ] – Mikoto exploded emotionaly.

    when Mikoto screamed, she shoots her Railgun that was goen faster than c, a constant equal to the speed of light in a vacuum, which is 299,792,458 m/s (by definition) or about 186,282.4 miles per second, more known as faster than ligth due Mikoto shooting it all out for the first time, the Railgun was goen directly at the boy,
    sudendly the second the Railgun make contact with the boy’s forehead, the Railgun was sent back with the same speed and impact back to Mikoto, hitting a bunch of steel standed rails behind Mikoto nearly hitting her, Mikoto was now speechless and frozen for what just happen rigth now

    [ That’s harsh; don’t say it like its actually murder ] – Unkown Boy started talking whit a smile in his face.

    Mikoto was still frozen and speechless

    [ ? what are you geting tense about?…Oh, I see.. ] – Unknown Boy continues.

    [ That was your best move rigth now rigth?.. even though we’re the same level, ku ku… ] – Unknown Boy ended talking whit a laugh.” – A Certian Scientific Railgun Volumen 4: Sisters Saga = Chapter: August 15th Part 3.
    —-

    “There is no proper source for this estimate for his speed. And I don’t understand how this has anything to do with responding the part of my comment you quoted, considering no reaction time has been validly attributed to Accelerator.”

    Thats cuz you dont know Accelerator, live alone the series that you mention before that you dont read it / see it, Im here showing you scans / proof of a character you dont know about, dont ignore the scans I show you cuz that will be frustrating for me cuz I take in mind all others scans & statement ( Even yours ) to think about it, you have to return the favor ( Its frustrating that everybody agrees with eachother then when it comes to me “Sometimes” they desagree when Im showing them everything about a character, thats Sucks XP ).

    Anyway I allready show you Information about his Vector Manipulation that Accelerator uses it to makes himself stronger,faster & durable as he wants to, due his own Vectors, like the scans that it shows him desappearing infront of people in a sec & appears around them in another second – Shown in A Certian Magical Index Volumen 3: Sisters Saga = Chapter: 4.
    —-

    “Refer to the upper middle of post #32. Considering Accelerator doesn’t have this ability up at all times (like when he gets shot by a bullet), there is reason to believe that there is an activation time which is probably equivalent to his thought speed.”

    Dude, that was only one time when he wanted to save a little girl who haved a killer virus inside her killing her, Accelerator put his hand on her forehead and started to cure her ( Eliminating the virus inside her whit his Vector Manipulation, though It takes all his power and concentration to do so ), then the scientist whit the gun pointed at Accelerator and shoots him, Accelerator only have 2 options = 1. Let Himself get Hit by the Bullet & save Last Order ( Little Girls Name ) or 2. Live the Girl to die and reflect the bullet back at the Scientist, you know what option he took ( Save the Girl ) – Shown in A Certian Magical Index Volumen: 6 = Chapter 3.
    —-
    “I’m not knowledgeable of the series, and those ranks/statuses. Mentioning that he is the reincarnation of Gabriel has no impact on the matter. I may as well say Goku is stronger than god and can beat him, because Kami was Earth’s god in DBZ.”

    I know you are not Knowledgeable whit the series, thats why im here XP, The Goku beating God is very much Retarded ( No Ofence at all ) cuz the God of Index / Railgun it is God ( The Father of Jesus Christ ) meaning its our God ( The one who created all Realities and life, Kami is just a Fictional character that is Earth’s Guardian in DBZ Verse, Remember God was the one who give life to Akira Toriyama and Akira created Goku, God erase Goku out of existance if he wanted to.
    What Im traying to say is that, the Index / Railgun Reality is a Mix of the Bible & Science, stated by Kazuma Kamachi = Creator of Index / Railgun Reality.
    —-
    “First of all, I’ve stated how Goku wouldn’t die or even majorly hurt himself when coming into contact with Accelerator’s vector shield. His durability isn’t so weak as to break his arm if he were to punch his own arm (which is basically what the vector shield is going to do). He can also survive his own ki attacks just fine, or deflect it, or dodge it.
    So contact with Accelerator does not = Goku is dead.
    Second, there is the NLF involved with whether Accelerator can even deflect an attack with the magnitude of energy capable of destroying earth several times over (a strong Kamehameha). This ki attack would not be just twice as strong or ten times as strong as (what I assume to be) Accelerator’s strongest bloodlusted attack (the absorption of the energy of earth’s rotation), but over 10 thousand times stronger than that attack. To put that in perspective, even Master Roshi or Piccolo’s moonbusting attack are stronger than Accelerator’s strongest shown attack.
    Even though Accelerator can manipulate the very basis of vectors as his ability, you’ll need to prove that he can so easily deflect a vector of this magnitude. As an example, you can say that a resistor by its very nature will reduce the flow of current from a voltage source in a circuit, but that doesn’t mean it can reduce the flow of any voltage source in a circuit. At some high enough level of voltage source, the resistor will overheat and burn out. In Accelerator’s case, we can probably say he can deflect as much energy as he has exerted from the attack which absorbed energy from the Earth’s rotation. However, you can’t say that he can deflect an infinite amount of energy with his ability because he hasn’t shown this. If he hasn’t shown this, than it’s a fallacy to claim he has no limit to the magnitude of the vectors he deflects, because he could have a limit which we have not seen yet (or won’t ever see). That’s the basis for the concept behind No Limits Fallacy.”

    The Problem whit your argument is that you think that Goku will be fine when he makes contact whit Accelerator ( In Reality he is not gana be ), true that Goku can dodge his own attacks, but what about his own attacks that were Manipulated by Accelerator to make it faster & stronger ( Due to Manipulating the Vectors of the Attacks and changing the Magnitudes / Mass & Directions ) than Goku’s own attacks? the same it could be said if Goku punches or Kicks Accelerator ( Making Contact ) Accelerator can change the the mass + Magnitude and directions of Goku’s attacks / body in contact breaking his bones / making Goku’s own Attacks to backfire at himself ( Even @Envoy Stated this ). like the example that I show in an scan in my second Comment in this match, were it shows how his Vector Manipulation works, look it up.
    —-
    No Ofence but you are sounding like you dont want Goku to lose here, whit the facts that Goku is figthing against someone that he cant damage or touch, if he Goku makes contact whit him whit his own attacks, his attacks will be reflected back at him or in close combat his bones will be broken.
    Its a Masacre in favor of Accelerator if you ask me ( Though I like Goku :( )
    It will be a Stomp in favor of Accelerator if he use his Black Wings, but it will be a God Stomp If he goes Angel Form.

    You can replied but dont Ignore the statement ( Cuz it looks like you are doing it, No Ofence again XP ) I just said and shown here.

  49. Friendlysociopath March 20, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #49

    Right, that needs cleaned up. Don’t put your own words in the middle of the quotes, it makes it harder to read.

  50. Friendlysociopath March 20, 2015 at 1:25 pm -      #50

    Eh, that sounded petty- now I must actively join the debate to appear less of an ass.
    To deal with specific parts:

    there is the NLF

    Nowhere did you combat this claim. Accelerator’s best showing is what he can do- he can’t just manipulate whatever he wants. That would be a NLF.
    Also, breaking the bones of relatively normal humans is nowhere near breaking bones of someone as durable as a DBZ character.

    Considering Accelerator doesn’t have this ability up at all times (like when he gets shot by a bullet), there is reason to believe that there is an activation time which is probably equivalent to his thought speed.”

    Again, this would appear to be entirely true by your own quotes. It’s not a passive thing, he has to trigger it.
    To trigger requires thought which then requires a reaction.

    cuz the God of Index / Railgun it is God. The one who created all Realities and life, Kami is just a Fictional character that is Earth’s Guardian in DBZ Verse, Remember God was the one who give life to Akira Toriyama and Akira created Goku, God erase Goku out of existance if he wanted to.

    Feats speak louder than titles. There is a man named “The Unstoppable Immortal”, this man can be defeated in a single attack.

  51. Tarbel March 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #51

    You say I’ve ignored scans you’ve posted. I wasn’t aware that I did that, so it would be quite helpful if you did as I did and referred back to the scans in your earlier posts.

    As I had nothing else to base it on, I had to rely on the animation of the anime. Even then, if it was truly FTL, there would have been some indication in the anime itself because one would assume that the anime is based on the manga, and if the manga provides this explanation rather clearly, it would also be shown in the anime. However, there was zero indication of FTL railgun in the anime scene, and even evidence against it being lightspeed. At most, you can chalk this up to inconsistent animation. And just because a scene is slowed down doesn’t mean the physics in the scene has to be or is completely off. To reiterate, I’m not saying the speed of the railgun is slow in the scene, so it’s not light speed; I am saying that the railgun is slower than lightning in the scene (I thought I made this clear enough in my last post, read again?).

    The “source” you posted is horribly done, and full of your own interpretations forced in between (possibly?) quotes of the dialogue in the series. Considering this is a manga, I would assume it would have been much easier for you to find the exact scans of the pages and at the very least provide a link for such a scan at the end of your “source” (you didn’t even say the specific pages either, just the chapter..). Like Friendlysociopath said, it needs to be cleaned up. The usual way of posting these things is completely separating the entire quote part and the interpretation part for starters. I can’t distinguish between your writing and the quote writing.
    But I’ll save you the trouble. I found the exact scans:
    www.mangahere.co/manga/to_aru_kagaku_no_rail_gun/v05/c024/20.html
    www.mangahere.co/manga/to_aru_kagaku_no_rail_gun/v05/c024/21.html
    www.mangahere.co/manga/to_aru_kagaku_no_rail_gun/v05/c024/22.html
    I don’t know how someone can draw a conclusion that the attack fired FTL.

    I was basing that Goku would not get hurt because I am still under the assumption that Goku is much faster than Accelerator. No valid reaction time feat has been given which can prove Accelerator is fast enough to react to Goku’s massively hypersonic attacks, so Goku would be faced with only the vector shield without any strengthened vectors.


    Friendlysociopath brought up other valid points that should be addressed.

  52. Polloloko March 21, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #52

    @Tarbel.

    “The “source” you posted is horribly done, and full of your own interpretations forced in between (possibly?) quotes of the dialogue in the series.”

    Eeeh No, its the Ligth Novel in the Site of Baka-Tsuki.org.
    —-
    “I was basing that Goku would not get hurt because I am still under the assumption that Goku is much faster than Accelerator. No valid reaction time feat has been given which can prove Accelerator is fast enough to react to Goku’s massively hypersonic attacks.”

    You migth have a point there ( I see what you did there XP ) yea Goku is fast ( A bit Faster than Acce ) dont get me wrong and Accelerator clearly is hypersonic, but dont forget the facts that Accelerator can makes himself faster and etc. ( As / If he wants / needs too ) by manipulating his own vectors.
    Accelerator’s Reaction Feat is….well…I didnt see…wait a moment!? If I remember correctly.. Did Accelerator Dodge Kakine’s Darkmatter Ligthspeed Attacks whitout his Vector Shield?… Yes he have, let me find the scans…..
    Here the Information about Kakine’s Darkmatter:

    Dark Matter (未元物質ダークマター Migen Busshitsu (Dāku Matā)?, lit. “Unknown Matter”), is his esper ability which allows him to create and control an unknown material that he uses to attack. It should be noted that the term “Dark Matter” is not to be confused with the true “Dark Matter” which is among the components of the universe. In addition, ‘unknown matter’ here does not mean matter that has not been discovered by humans but matter that did not exist until it was created by Teitoku. The material he creates defies the Laws of Physics, allowing him to produce 25,000 different types of energy. He can use the substance and apparently shape it in any form he desires. The most obvious of this is the six angelic wings, which grants him the power to fly, blow powerful gusts of wind that is affected by Dark Matter, and have sunlight pass diffract upon it to form harmful rays of light. The Dark Matter can apparently also be invisible, hence the reason why he is able to apply an invisible pressure on Yomikawa Aiho without touching her.[1] When fighting Kinuhata Saiai, he is also able to utilize his ability to create a strange explosion which is able to instantly knock Saiai out. His Dark Matter can initially even strike through Accelerator’s Reflection, though after Accelerator took into account how ‘normal’ physics don’t work on Teitoku’s ability he re-calculated and managed to reflect Teitoku’s Dark Matter, and even use it against him later. His ability also appears to grant him a form of super strength, though he is still not strong enough to overpower Accelerator with sheer brute force.

    Before being torn apart by Accelerator, an “unprecedented power” expanded within Teitoku, apparently mastering his Dark Matter and believed that he could easily defeat Accelerator with it. It is unknown what would happen if Teitoku was able to show-off this power had Accelerator didn’t attack him first.

    =
    And Here’s in Novels:
    “As soon as Kakine’s foot is about to crash onto Uiharu’s head, an ATM careens towards his location. Although Kakine uses his ability to protect himself from the attack, it causes him to miss his attack against Uiharu.

    And Uiharu’s savior turns out to be none other than Accelerator himself.

    A hostile exchange of remarks explode between the Rank 1 and Rank 2 of Academy City’s Level 5, and it soon turns into a destructive fight between the two most powerful espers. It appears that Accelerator could take on someone who is ranked only second to him, but as soon as Kakine unleashes three pairs of wings on his back, things become different for Accelerator.

    Kakine boasts about his Dark Matter ability — that it cannot be understood using conventional physics and thus, is unaffected by Accelerator’s vector manipulation ability. Accelerator struggles as Kakine fights him by exploiting the filters that Accelerator imposed on his passive vector manipulation, not to mention that Kakine’s ability can cause objects that are in contact with his ability to act using a new set of physical laws.

    It seems that Kakine is about to declare his victory, but in spite of Kakine’s possession of the Tweezers and his superiority over Accelerator’s ability, Accelerator thinks that Kakine is still far below him. And the Rank 1 Level 5 points this out by telling him that he has been protecting everyone the whole time he has been fighting Kakine, much to the Rank 2’s shock.

    Kakine decides to end the fight once and for all, and in a split second,using his Dark Matter ability he created six beams of ligth,beams that were dodge by Accelerator, his clash with Accelerator ends up with one person standing.

    Accelerator looks at the aftermath of the battle between him and Kakine, who is now impaled by one of his Dark Matter wings, and decides to finish the Rank 2 once and for all, but there is one person who kept him from doing so, and it is Anti-Skill’s Yomikawa Aiho.

    Aiho tries to negotiate about handing over the gun that he plans to kill Kakine with, but Accelerator refuses, pointing out that he is not a good guy to leave an enemy breathing. Yomikawa remains stubborn, determined to drag Accelerator to the good side no matter the cost, and Accelerator is forced to aim his gun at Yomikawa herself. However, Yomikawa knows that he cannot hurt someone like her.

    Then suddenly, an attack from nowhere stabbed through Yomikawa’s side, and Accelerator can only watch as Kakine staggers, focusing his attack on Accelerator’s “friend”. Kakine then urges Accelerator to become evil, to destroy him if necessary, and Accelerator, in response, awakens.

    Black wings sprout from Accelerator’s back, and an amazed Kakine, after he awakens too, prepares to defeat Accelerator using his new found power. But defeat came swiftly for Kakine, whose Pincet Glove was torn away along with his arm; for the next few moments, Accelerator’s fist grinds through Kakine’s flesh, creating tremors in the process.

    Yomikawa regains her consciousness in the middle of Accelerator’s onslaught against Kakine, and she tries to stop him; fortunately, the Anti-Skill have arrived to stop her before she could hurt herself. She feels helpless, unable to stop Accelerator from his rampage, until a small girl came rushing into the battlefield.

    Last Order.

    She has finally found the boy that she has been looking for, and she asks Accelerator to stop. It appears that Accelerator could still hear Last Order and has been trying to avoid hurting her in spite of his chaotic state, and he slowly calms down, losing his consciousness after the relentless attack he gave out against Kakine.

    As the battle finally draws to a close, Last Order heaves a sigh of relief.” – Toaru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Volume 15/Chapter 5.
    —-
    “You say I’ve ignored scans you’ve posted. I wasn’t aware that I did that”

    Sure you did XP, you were beliving more your own statements than anyone elses scans and arguments.
    —-
    About the FTL Animation “Slow Motion” Thing, Read Above ^.
    —-
    ” I am saying that the railgun is slower than lightning in the scene”

    It looks like it cuz of the Animation ( How many times did I have to tell you? ) doing it in “Slow Motion”, I allready show you a scan of the Novel that the all out “Bloodusted” Railgun of Misaka was FTL, even stated by Kazuma Kamachi ( Index / Railgun Ligth Novels Writer ) himself.
    Its your own Problem if you belive it or not, isnt stoping the facts that Misaka shoots her all out Railgun ( FTL ) and Accelerator reflected it back at her.
    —–
    “you didn’t even say the specific pages either, just the chapter”
    Funny, cuz @Envoy just did the same thing as me ( Copy paste the Chapter of the Volumes of Index / Railgun ) and you didnt say a word at him, till you are pointing that at me?!? you wanted the scan of the Novel, then I give it to you, Ist your own problem if you wana ignore it & keep trusting your own arguments bra.
    —-
    “I don’t know how someone can draw a conclusion that the attack fired FTL”
    -_-……. Ligth…..Novels.
    —–
    “quite helpful if you did as I did and referred back to the scans in your earlier posts.”
    Post #25.
    —-
    “I thought I made this clear enough in my last post, read again?).”

    -_-….( No Ofence..well a little XP ) I dont know If you really are trolling…are you really are an Ignorant Fagget.
    Your chose man.
    —-
    ” so Goku would be faced with only the vector shield without any strengthened vectors”

    How are you very sure of that? cuz If Goku Hits Accelerator’s Vector Shield he will have the strength of his attacks rigth back at him whit more brute force ( By Accelerators Vector Manipulation + making Goku’s durability easly breakable by changing the mass and magnitude of his body = Breaking Goku in contact, or making Goku’s organs to Burst via Blood Manipulation in Contact ).
    —-
    Dont act like you are an smartass, nobody is ( Nobody is Perfect = Only God is Perfect ).

    Just Saiyan -_-

  53. FlameStrike March 24, 2015 at 12:43 am -      #53

    Hey Pollo where are you getting your Index novel quotes? The original translations were taken down from baka tsuki.org a long time ago since the novels were getting an official translation.

    Do you have the physical books with you, or did you save some text before it was taken down?

    Anyway I’m sorry to say but your quotes are loaded with typos. It does not look at all like the work of the fan-translators who originally did the Index novels. Of course fan translations by their nature vary in quality, but I remember that the Index translations were of high quality.

    If you have the actual officially translated books with you a pic would go a long way to showing you’re not just making stuff up.

    Anyway I like Goku and all but I think Accelerator has a chance to beat him. The main reason is because of HOW Accelerator’s passive deflection technique is presented. Normally when looking at powerful shields that are stated to be unbeatable but don’t have feats to back them up, the NLF is a legitimate concern. This is because those types of shields draw power from some source to resist the incoming damage. Refer to Tarbel’s excellent resistor analogy. Perhaps the shield (resistor) is just really powerful for that universe, there is no proof that another universe that has an order of magnitude more power would not be able to overload it.

    Only so far I have reason to believe it doesn’t work that way for Accelerator’s power. He doesn’t actually exert any kind of power of physical or psychic energy to reflect objects (He does for redirection though, I think). The objects are not reflected by some forcible application like putting up a shield, but by reality bending ESP. Think of a law of nature like gravity. Gravity effects ALL objects big and small, there’s no proof that if you get a big or dense enough object it’ll just stop being effected by gravity. Accelerator’s reflection works the same way. There’s no indication that increasing the power of the attack would somehow break through his reflection. Of course there IS a certain method to break through his reflection, but it’s not related to just attacking harder or faster, or making the nuke have more yield.

    Accelerator has his reflection on as default though, so I think it’s safe to assume he has it on at the start of the battle, since that’s his normal state. If Goku gets a handicap and Accerlator starts without his reflection activated, then Goku could potentially speed blitz him. However that would require Goku’s CIS to be off since Goku’s character would usually have him declare his intentions to fight.

    Speaking of CIS being off, Goku could potentially blow up the planet and win most of the rounds. I don’t know enough about Angel and Black Wing Accelerator to say about them though.

    Blargh honestly I’m leaning towards Goku at this point, but I do admit I don’t know enough about Accelerator. Feel free to enlighten me. I’m especially interested in feats from his Wing’d and Angel Forms.

  54. Polloloko March 24, 2015 at 1:36 pm -      #54

    “Hey Pollo where are you getting your Index novel quotes? The original translations were taken down from baka tsuki.org a long time ago since the novels were getting an official translation.”

    Some are from Wattpad.
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    “Do you have the physical books with you, or did you save some text before it was taken down?”

    Yea I have Volumen 1 to Volumen 13 of the Novels XD

    & I have the Index Season 1 & Season 2 Anime & the Railgun Season 1 & Railgun [ S ] ( Sisters Saga ) Anime + I have the Index / Railgun Movie XD.
    PS. Im Reading the Index / Raigun Manga + the Accelerator Manga too XD
    —–
    “If you have the actual officially translated books with you a pic would go a long way to showing you’re not just making stuff up.”
    So, I have to take a Picture of my Index Novel?
    —-
    “Perhaps the shield (resistor) is just really powerful for that universe, there is no proof that another universe that has an order of magnitude more power would not be able to overload it.”

    Or that the Index / Railgun Reality is so Powerfull in comperation to any Fictional Universes, cuz the Index / Railgun Reality is the same as ours stated by the writer himself, he said that the Index / Railgun Reality is far more realistic than any fiction and that it have the same God as ours & in realism characters are not born whit there powers like some other fictional character, but characters from the Index / Railgun Reality gains there Powers by 3 ways:
    1. Science.
    2. God give’s you the Power, and you are born whit God’s Power ( Stated by Index to Touma, Misaka & Kuroko ).

    3. Beliving in God ( Magic ).

    Overall = God >>>>>>>> Us>>> Fiction.
    —-
    ” I do admit I don’t know enough about Accelerator. Feel free to enlighten me. I’m especially interested in feats from his Wing’d and Angel Forms.”

    Ok I respect your Opinion cuz I saw you debating for both characters there XP ok here some of Accelerator’s Feats:
    Accelerator’s doesn’t need to be aware of an attack to reflect it.

    “Even though the boy in front of the scope is a living human, when this trigger is pulled, the .50 caliber anti-tank bullets of this gun would rip through the sky at speeds of 1200 km/h […] All twelve bullets fired should have been absorbed into the boy’s back; that slender, wirelike body ought to have burst into tiny chunks and scattered. Right, that naturally should be the case. The next instant, the Metal Eater in the girl’s hands explodes. The shells that made a direct hit rebound back. Almost like a video rewinding, the shells whose ballistics were reversed cleanly plunge nicely into the muzzle of the anti-tank rifle like a Kendama game, and the Metal Eater bursts from the inside into very small pieces.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 3

    Deflects a lightspeed attack.
    “She released a lightning spear from it. The spear of purple electricity moved forward at the speed of light and held enough destructive force to knock someone unconscious. She did not think that it would act as a fatal blow. As long as it distracted him long enough for her to get away, that was enough. However, the lightning spear she had fired at the boy rebounded and struck her in her own chest.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 58

    Simple explanations of Accelerator’s powers.
    “That boy could alter all vectors be they motion, heat, or electricity, so he would not be injured even if he were directly hit by that last resort of a nuclear missile. He would just reflect the shockwave that would blow everything way, the heat that would scorch everything, and the neutrons and radiation that would kill everything. He was Accelerator, Academy Cityes strongest Level 5.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 59

    An example on how Reflection works.
    “One of the delinquents surrounding Accelerator hacks a knife at his back, but Accelerator doesn’t look back, not even giving a look. The delinquent exerts all his weight onto the sharp edge of the knife as he attacks at that seemingly defenseless, weak back. […] The sound of bone breaking can be heard from behind Accelerator. Of course, this devastation doesn’t come from Accelerator’s body. The delinquent who charged at his back with a knife has his wrist broken. The ‘redirection’ ability that was exerted onto the blade of the knife caused the slender wrist holding it to break, as it’s unable to withstand that force.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 5, pag. 10
    —-
    More examples.
    “As it’s midnight, this voice can be heard very loudly. What the heck, a lovers’ squabble? Accelerator thus ‘redirects’ this excessive ‘noise’, the air vibrations away from his ears. The ‘redirection’ ability can be done unconsciously through some simple calculations. He just needs to calculate the minimum required forces (gravity, air pressure), light, oxygen, heat, sound wavelength, etc.) and ‘redirect’ everything else. If he really ‘redirects all forces’, he will be tossed out of the atmosphere because gravity’s redirected. After Accelerator re-calibrates the ‘noise’ that’s transmitted to him, he walks out of the alley and arrives at the road. He continues to look up at the sky; there’s no need to look forward because he doesn’t need to notice any obstacles. With the ‘redirection’ ability of his, his body won’t be hurt at all.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 5, pag. 14
    —-
    Another example.
    “Accelerator’s ‘redirection’ won’t be interrupted even when sleeping. Sometimes, he will even ‘redirect’ the sound to sleep better, and at that moment, nothing will wake Accelerator up.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 5, pag. 25
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    Heat doesn’t matter to Accelerator.
    “She was sure she had heard the voice come from that direction. Due to the enveloping steam, she couldn’t make out the details of the figure. But from the silhouette she could see, she could tell the figure was standing in a completely normal and natural way. Even though he was standing in lava that must have been a few thousand degrees. Even the enveloping steam was more than 100 degrees and he was in the middle of it all.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 14, pag. 178
    —-
    Reflection working on magic (Accelerator wasn’t even Awakened).
    “He held up his right hand, the sole area his reflection was activated on.
    The water spear was smashed to pieces.
    The water turned to a rainbow of light that flowed diagonally back from his right hand. It acted as a wall of pressure that knocked away 4 of 5 of Vodyanoy‟s comrades.
    Accelerator had blocked the attack, but he frowned.
    He couldn‟t figure it out.
    If his reflection had succeeded, the water spear should have head straight back at Vodyanoy and pierced her arm. Instead, it had gone astray and had disintegrated into a rainbow of light. It had been an odd phenomenon. It hadn‟t been something like steam created from water or ice. Accelerator had caused the reflection but he didn‟t understand the process by which it had turned to light.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 20, pag. 110
    —-
    Reflection works on teleportation.
    “When he reflected teleportation powers, a strange phenomenon occurred in the 3 dimensional world, but this had felt entirely different.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 20, pag. 110
    —-
    Reflection worked on both the Archangel Gabriel and Kazakiri Hyouka (they were fairly equal while fighting).
    “Accelerator was like a blast wave from an explosion, blowing away the snow from the ground, he charged towards the two angels. In the moment before their weapons were about to clash, Accelerator considered which entity he should get rid of first. However he came to the conclusion that since both of them were winged monsters, there was no point in aiding either side, and he leapt between the two, using his Reflection ability to attack the angels by redirecting their own blows at themselves.
    BOOM!! The sound of explosions rang throughout the air. Against the doll-like angel of ice, Reflection was largely ineffective. Even though he used Reflection, the wings of ice were like soft candy, as they were bent out of shape, they were sent flying towards the forests, sending up ice and dirt as they went along.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 22.

    Overall:
    Archangel Gabriel has enough power to remove all the stars from the sky just by appearing.

    “Can’t you tell? She turned the evening into night.”
    Kanzaki said casually, but Kamijou is gobsmacked.
    It’s easy to say that she changed the evening sky to night, but this means that the person in front of them can control the relative positions of the Earth to the sun. No, even the orbit of the moon was switched. This means that the moon and other planets are under all control.
    Controlling celestial bodies.
    “Head out, Archangel Gabriel. Blow them all away.”
    The world turned to night.
    As if everything had been instantaneously painted over with black, the sky turned to a night sky.
    “Using Gabriel to remove all the stars from the sky and leaving the Star of Bethlehem as the only thing floating in the incomplete heavens that are filled with Telesma was establishing the large flow of power needed for the ceremony to reset the four elements.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 22.

    Reversing Misaka #10031 bloodflow
    “Now, it’s time for the question for the consolation round” Accelerator said mockingly. “I’m touching your blood. I’m touching the flow of your blood. Now, if I reverse that vectorc, If I reverse the vector of your blood, what will happen to your body? A correct answer gets you a nice peaceful sleep!”
    The aftermath, kinda… crude.
    “She was lying face up as if she were staring up at the rectangular visible portion of the purple sky. There was a sea of blood. The sea of blood was so large that it made one wonder if a single human body really held that much blood. It wasnet just on the ground. Both walls were painted red up to eye-level. It looked like someone had wrung out a human body to get every last drop of blood out. In the center of that explosion of red lay a girl. The arms and legs extending out from the short-sleeves and the skirt were torn up. It was most likely the same on her skin within her clothes that he could not see. Her school uniform had been dyed so red that its original colors could no longer be seen, but the clothes themselves were not torn at all. Her body seemed to have been torn apart from the inside along the paths of the blood vessels as if someone had passed narrow wires through all of them and then forcibly torn the wires out. Her torn-up arms were reminiscent of a diagram of a dissected frog. The torn-up girl had nothing that could actually be called a face. Instead, she had what looked like an open flower or a peeled boiled egg. It was a dark-red cavity with pink muscles and soft yellow fat inside.”
    To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 59/62
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    Altering vectors for a speed boost.
    “Acceleratores foot suddenly caused the gravel behind him to explode. He had altered the vector for the motion of his foot. As if a rocket were firing from the bottom of his foot, he shot 7 meters forward like a bullet in one step. Misaka Imouto tried to jump further back, but Accelerator heartlessly flew forward many times faster than she could move.”
    Stating what Accelerator can do with his Vector Manipulation.
    “As he yelled he struck with his left hand. The strike was gentle like he was stroking her cheekc.and yet a cracking noise came from Misaka Imoutoes neck upon receiving the attack. Her vision spun around as her entire body spun like a bamboo copter before landing on the gravel. His attack did all that, but he had actually been holding back. If Accelerator had seriously been trying to kill her, her body would have exploded the instant he touched her skin.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 148
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    Creates plasma.
    “It was plasma. Compressing the air created heat. Internal combustion engines used that fact. By compressing the city’s air with a ridiculous compression ratio, it had turned into a mass of heat exceeding 10,000 degrees Celsius. This forcibly caused the atoms in the nearby air to split into cations and electrons which turned them to plasma. That point of light swallowed up the surrounding air and instantaneously grew to have a radius of 20 meters. The surrounding darkness was annihilated by the pure white light. The heat of 10,000 degrees caused a burning pain on Mikoto’s skin.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 176
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    Accelerator Easly Bullet-Timing.

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    Accelerator trowing an issy fit.
    “Accelerator thrust his hand into the nearest concrete wall. Due to vector control, it totally looks like his arm is buried in tofu. As Accelerator screams to the point of blood coming out from his throat, he disorderly swung his arm about that’s buried in the wall. He brings together and controls all the vectors. A BOOM thunderous roar echoed throughout. In that instant, the earth’s rotation on September 30 slows down by about 5 minutes. His arm, having took away the enormous energy of the planet’s rotation, converts it via vector control into a single demonic attack. The forcibly gouged-out concrete wall was blown away at a horrifying velocity. Accelerator is standing on an alley corner that surrounds a building, but the several buildings that serve as an obstructing space between him and the [target] were being destroyed as if they’re waste paper.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 13, pag. 132
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    Accelerator getting an Imposible Perfect Shot.
    “If you’re planning on shooting me, you should stop. I think that gun’s sight is horizontally off by quite a bit.” […]
    “I see. This certainly is an interesting situation.” “Well? What will you do?”
    “This.” As he said that, Accelerator turned the gun towards his own temple. Before Kill Point could think, Accelerator unhesitatingly pulled the trigger. Bang!! A gunshot rang out. […] Accelerator had altered the vector of the bullet he had shot himself in the head with so that it headed towards Kill Point.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 15, pag. 77
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    Can easily alter the speed of a pebble.
    “Accelerator ignored Kakine‘s words and stomped on the gravel road, and then kicked the rocks that were sent flying up using a karate kick.
    Boom! A loud explosion rang out.
    The vectors of the pebbles were changed and were fired off faster than a normal Railgun, but vanished after a few millimetres. However, the pressure waves did not vanish, and the attack felt as if it would tear the very air apart.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 15, pag. 180

    Uses Vector Control at distance.
    “He looked at the girl still hanging there, and turned on his collar once more. All he did was move his fingers slightly, and the chains binding the girl are cut off inexplicably.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 19, pag. 5
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    Another example of Vector Control used at distance.
    “Taking hostages didn’t work. As soon as they tried to reach for the kids, their wrists were twisted in an unnatural manner. Dynamite didn’t work. As soon as they tried to push the button for it to explode, their fingers were blown away along with the button.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 19
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    Effortlessy creates a tsunami of snow.
    “It was the sound of Accelerator lightly stepping on the ground and causing a huge tsunami of snow to rise up. It swallowed up Vodyanoy and the others. Unlike a normal tsunami, it had overwhelming speed. It was faster than Vodyanoy and the others and the wall of snow knocked the attackers unconscious.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 20, pag. 110/111
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    Accelerator taking the vectors from other attacks to augment his power.
    “The angel had an almost human-like expression of surprise, and in this instant Accelerator took away the vectors from the angel‟s attack. Gathering the vectors, Accelerator launched a merciless strike straight at the chest of the glasses-wearing angel.
    The sound vanished.
    The seemingly weightless flying angel was knocked back 300 meters.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 21, pag. 140
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    Blows people away.
    “The Level 5 who flew down had four tornados growing from his back like wings.
    He was Accelerator, Academy City’s #1.
    All sound disappeared.
    A group of 1000 people were blown away in every direction as if a meteorite had landed.
    All he had done was land.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index: New Testament Volume 7, pag.
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    Memorizes the data of a virus.
    “A large amount of data appear in front of him. He quickly scan through the data that’s scrolling at waterfall-like speed, reading all the data. It took him 52 seconds to finish reading, 48 seconds to close his eyes to remember, and 65 seconds to compare what he memorised to the data on the screen. […] The calculation of the amount of data required to be overwritten is complete. The total is 357,081.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 5, pag. 142/144
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    Figures out Dark Matter.
    “The Dark Matter I create is matter that does not exist in this world. Ites not matter not yet discovered, nor matter that theoretically exists, but matter which undeniably, does not exist.”
    A material made by an ESPer ability that cannot be classified by science. […]
    “Indeed, you can control matter that doesnet exist in this world.” Accelerator only wagged his index finger and made a feel free to do your worst expression.
    “The laws written in school textbooks donet work on them, and light and electromagnetic waves that come in contact with the Dark Matter get twisted into energy that canet possibly exist. So using energy calculation algorithms based on rules of this world will definitely have flaws.” […]
    “Then all I have to do is include them in my calculations. To change the laws of this world into a new world that includes your Dark Matter and create a new algorithm, then ites checkmate.”
    “Using your Vector Changec to control my Dark Matterc?” […]
    The victor in the match between the Number One and Number Two has been decided.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 15, pag. 183/184
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    Accelerator having his Black Wings for the first Time.
    “Kihara’s body is separated from Accelerator’s hand, goes across the abandoned office at a terrible velocity, is thrown outside through the broken window, and cuts through the night sky at many tens of times the speed of sound. In the wake of the excessive speed, an afterimage of orangecolored plasma remains.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 13, pag. 228
    ( Take in mind, that was Black Wings Accelerator starting to use his Black Wings Powers for the First time, he gets more powerfull in the future, that his Black Wings form is near Angels Level = Devine. )
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    The black wings are made of Dark Matter.
    “From behind him spread murky black wings, as if they shot out from his back. This pair of wings that contain something which can blow away the mind, and anger that shatter his own sense of self, spread instantly over tens of meters, and shaves off parts of the buildings and roads around him.
    “Ha.”
    This pair of black wings, Kakine has seen it before, and knows what it is. The elementary particles that donet exist in this world, Dark Matter.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 15, pag. 189
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    Blows off Kakine’s hand without touching him.
    “Kakine laughed and waved his completely awakened six wings down at Accelerator. He no longer sees Accelerator as a threat, but only a thing to test his new powers on. Splat. Kakine Teitokues body was pressed into the tarmac by a great power.
    “What?!”
    He completely doesnt understand what just happened. Acceleratores wings didnet move at all. He only stared at Kakine and slightly moved his hands. With just that, he defeated Kakine who had absolute power and ground him deep into the ground. His right hand that had the Pincet Glove on it was torn off from the elbow downwards.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 15, pag. 190
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    Uses his black wings to crush Touma, in there second Round of there Rematch.
    “The black wings on Accelerator‟s back spread out explosively. They stretched to greater than 100 meters all at once and he swung them down towards that Level 0 boy‟s head as grand weapons.
    With a great noise, that strike that held the power to split a skyscraper in half vertically came down. And yet the targeted boy was not turned to a pile of meat.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 20, pag. 170
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    Other wings uses.
    “Accelerator himself was not entirely sure and he swung the black wings again.
    This time it was a horizontal strike.
    That strike seemed like it would slice apart every object in the world at chest level and it flew mercilessly towards that Level 0 boy.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 20, pag. 170
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    More uses of Acce’s Black Wings.
    “One of the wings turned into dozens of sharp stakes and flew forcefully towards the Level 0 boy who was running towards Accelerator. Instead of aiming for that small target from many different angles, the attack was more like a carpet bombing of an entire area that the boy happened to be in.
    A shock wave exploded out.
    White snow and black dirt exploded up greater than 10 meters into the air obstructing Accelerator‟s vision. He could tell huge cracks had appeared in various places on the ground. Distant seismographs had likely detected that shaking. […]
    And the shock waves created by even one of the dozens of stakes held enough destructive force to smash a human body to pieces.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 20, pag. 171/172
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    Even more uses
    “Accelerator made a simple move.
    The black wings behind him both swung downwards. Except, that this time his target isn‟t the Level 0 teen that‟s running towards him,
    But towards the empty white land in front of him.
    The sound of an explosion rang out. With the massive destructive power, large amounts of earth got swept up, and formed into a 15m high and 300m wide tsunami made of earth. The entire vista got covered by it, and striked as if to swallow the tiny lad.”
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    Accelerator brakes an large enforce concrete wall with a tap.

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    Accelerator brake Estelle magical array and reads the memories of Hasami.

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    Index believe the Black Wings that Accelerator handle more Testsma than a Saint should handle (implying that Black Wings Accelerator is more powerful than a Saint). = Saints are easly multiple star busters. = Angels > Saints.

    “Something like demonic wings had grown there, but they were gone without a trace. His clothes did not even look damaged.

    “(The field resembled Telesma, but the substance was different. Demonology just uses normal Telesma in a different way. And that was so much power I’m not sure even a Saint could handle it all…)” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 13, pag. 228.
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    Accelerator’s Black Wings can disintegrate objects.

    “Accelerator himself was not entirely sure and he swung the black wings again.

    This time it was a horizontal strike.

    That strike seemed like it would slice apart every object in the world at chest level and it flew mercilessly towards that Level 0 boy.

    The boy once more repelled it with his right hand.

    But the situation was not the same.

    The boy who had negated the black wings wobbled to the side as if being pushed by a force.

    Accelerator knew.

    That boy had a secret that allowed him to negate even Academy City’s #1 Level 5 power with a touch.

    However, he could not do anything about an attack that blew away everything in a fixed area like a large and strong wind or plasma. Perhaps the boy could not negate an attack that exceeded a certain level of destructive power, perhaps he could not negate a power that affected a large area, or perhaps he did not possess the ability to negate secondary physical phenomena that were caused by a power. Accelerator did not know what the true answer was, but he still knew he could beat down that Level 0 boy even if he didn’t understand the reason or workings behind it.

    In other words…

    (I’ll smash him to pieces with overwhelming force not giving him a chance to fight back!!)

    He could feel a dull pain deep in his head.

    It felt like his right brain and left brain were being split apart and something was bursting out from within.

    It was not a normal feeling.

    He wasn’t even sure it was part of his powers as Academy City’s #1 Level 5.

    He didn’t know what was going to happen.

    He might even just disintegrate away.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 15, pag. 183/184.
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    When Accelerator lost all control of his mental balance,because of his absolute hatred wanting his enemy to be killed.That killer intent take the appearance of the Black Wings.After saving Last Order and Misaka Worst during World War lll,Accelerator removed all of the hate inside him and his Black Wings turned into a pure white wings which is called Awakened = Angel Form.

    “Accelerator felt something was wrong before he even turned his head to check on his surroundings.

    He had an unpleasant feeling like something cold was piercing into him through all the skin on his body. No, perhaps it was the opposite of that. It may have been that the trembling within his body was flowing out through his skin. It did not matter which it was. At any rate, it was not coming from his usual 5 senses. It felt like his body’s sensors and the calculative circuits in his brain were malfunctioning because he was forcibly taking in information he was not supposed to be able to take in.

    He could feel an immense pressure coming from above.

    It felt like an incredibly concentrated form of what was emitted by Unabara Mitsuki, the water angel, and those parchments.

    Accelerator looked up into the heavens while still embracing Last Order.

    A giant fortress was floating there.

    The golden light filling the sky was being swallowed up by the fortress. Accelerator thought he could feel the pressure of that immense power that was concentrating in one spot. 120

    He could feel where it was aimed. That mass of unknown power was being aimed at the earth.

    He had no idea what meaning that fortress had.

    He did not understand what effect sending that power to the earth would have.

    However…

    “…I doubt anything good would come of firing that.”

    It was possible whoever was firing it was not after simple destruction. Perhaps it could produce some kind of special effect. Even so, the result would be the same. If power that great was sent down to the earth, how far would the damage spread? And if he assumed it was something other than a purely scientific energy due to the feeling in his skin, Accelerator could not reflect it.

    If it made it through, everyone would die.

    Accelerator, Misaka Worst, Last Order…everyone.

    “…Fuck that.”

    Immediately after he muttered those words, there was a sound like an explosion and wings that were black like ink erupted from Accelerator’s back. Those black wings were the symbol of his anger. That tremendous power was full of mysteries. He doubted it was created simply with the help of the Misaka Network and he had no idea if Last Order could forcibly shut it down. Whenever those wings had appeared, Accelerator had been in a state where he had pretty much completely lost his mental balance. They appeared when he simply wished to kill the enemy before his eyes even if it meant casting aside everything he believed in. The killer intent erupting from his chest had trampled over the world in the form of those black wings. That was the kind of power it was.

    It was as if the wings had been squeezed from his body by the pressure from the fortress in the heavens.

    It was just like when he had confronted Aiwass.

    However…

    “…Misaka Worst.” Accelerator’s words were as quiet as a whisper. “I am going to stop that. Can you protect that brat?”

    “From the Russians? Or from Academy City?”

    “From everything.”

    Misaka Worst sighed at that ridiculous order. Making an enemy of both sides was essentially the same as telling her to fight every single force taking part in World War III.

    However, she pulled a metal nail out of her pocket with a malice-filled smile on her face.

    “Well, Misaka was going to bring them to tears anyway, so this does not change what she must do. And if we can analyze the information from the song within Last Order and the Misaka Network, we might be blessed with a chance to obtain technology that Academy City does not have.”

    Last Order may have felt uneasy at the confusing situation that was developing around her. Her small hands grabbed onto Accelerator’s clothes.

    “Where are you going? says Misaka as Misaka asks a question.”

    Her eyes wavered as she looked up from within his arms.

    Most likely, she understood what Accelerator was about to do. And because she understood, she was trying to stop him.

    “You’re not going anywhere, right? says Misaka as Misaka checks to be sure.”

    “Don’t worry. It’ll all be over soon.”

    Accelerator did not say that he would be back or that he would be returning.

    The monster with the black wings gently removed the small hands from his clothes one finger at a time. It was as if he were shaking off the final bonds that kept him anchored to the surface.

    “No,” said Last Order in a small voice. “I want to always be with you, says Misaka as Misaka begs you.”

    “…Yes.”

    Accelerator admitted it.

    In the very, very end, he responded with a childlike smile on his face.

    “I wanted to always be with you, too.”

    With a sound like cracks spreading across ice, the monster’s wings changed color. The ink-like pitch black changed to a snow-like pure white. Starting from the base and spreading to the tips, the outer color and the inner essence all changed in an instant.

    Just above his head, a small ring of the same color appeared.

    That was his transformation.

    With that mental change, he became a source that spewed forth a unique power into the real world.

    Accelerator put his hands on Last Order’s small shoulders, lightly pushed, and floated up into the sky due to the recoil like an astronaut in zero gravity.

    Last Order’s small hands stretched up into the sky toward Accelerator.

    But she could not reach him.

    Accelerator was already floating a few meters up.

    Convinced that he had done the right thing, Accelerator flapped his white wings. His 100 meter wings used more than just the power of the wind. They also converted some more unknown energy into lift. He emitted no force down at the earth, but he still shot up like a bullet.

    In an instant, Accelerator reached a point 3000 meters up and scattered the thick clouds that were hanging in the sky.

    At the same time, the fortress in the heavens made its move.

    The mass of golden power that was being taken in from above and stored underneath was mercilessly thrown downwards. Accelerator could feel the pressure on his cheek as a stinging numbness. Just like his white wings, that power truly was not a normal power. Most likely, his reflection would not work on it. It would just pierce straight through like when he had been defeated by Aiwass.

    But so what?

    Accelerator moved his white wings even more and his speed of ascent shot up. With no tricks up his sleeve, he headed straight for the falling golden mass. There was a slight smile on his lips.

    (I see.)

    Accelerator finally realized it.

    (So this is what a fight to protect something is like.)

    Immediately afterwards, the two massive powers clashed at an altitude of 8,000 meters.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 22.
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    In Angel Form, Accelerator due to past events like Aiwass or the angels,Accelerator learned to control imaginary vectors that don’t exist in the world. = Manipulating Real Reality.

    “Misaka Worst should know what he meant. His calculative and linguistic abilities were being supplemented by the almost 10,000 Sisters. In other words, his original intellectual specs were simply that great.

    “And then I suddenly realized it.”

    “Realized what?”

    “I already have things I can’t understand inputted within me.”

    “…”

    “I first thought of the previous battle between the water angel and the scientific angel, but that wasn’t the right answer. Before that, well before that, I understood it with my own body.”

    Accelerator spoke as if he had realized something.

    “Yes.”

    Speaking of his own loss would have been unthinkable for the person he had once been. But now his priorities had changed.

    If he could protect a small life in exchange for his pride, he would unhesitatingly cast it aside.

    “I was unable to reflect an unknown attack. It just went straight through my defenses and cut my body in two. I couldn’t come up with a single way of dealing with it. I was utterly defeated at that time.”

    He now had enough leeway to smile.

    He pushed on his own back and took another step forward.

    “But it wasn’t that the attack did not have vectors. I’m sure I had those unknown laws inputted into my body from Aiwass back then.”

    Thinking back on it, that had been what had happened.

    Aiwass had not just erased his powers like that Level 0.

    The being had not worked around his powers like Kihara Amata or Kakine Teitoku.

    Aiwass had used a completely straightforward attack and its vectors had directly struck Accelerator. In that case, that information should have been transferred to Accelerator.

    A hint had been within his own head from the beginning. The answer was within him. Aiwass had said to go to Russia, but it had not said the solution needed to save Last Order would be simply laid out before him. All that monster had presented to him was the key to the vault.

    He mustn’t write it off as “unknown”.

    He mustn’t just throw it into the black box.

    He needed to establish nonexistent vector axes that could deal with what seemed off. He needed to think of math dealing with things such as imaginary numbers that did not actually exist in the real world but that could be explained using purely mathematical calculations. He had to calculate what the values were from the vectors before his eyes in order to determine what laws were used to create them. He could not figure it all out just from Aiwass. Aiwass was a nonstandard monster. A fragment of an asteroid altered by tremendous heat was nothing more than a rock in and of itself. However, using high level formulas on it could become a key to guessing at the spread of the universe from the big bang.

    Of course, he may not be able to grasp a perfect picture of it, but he could put together an inference that was exceedingly close to the truth.

    The big bang at the start of the universe had yet to be proven to be a giant explosion. All that had been done was using giant ring-shaped particle accelerators to recreate and confirm the physical phenomena theorized to have happened after the explosion.

    Physicists used that to continually bring the original explosion as close as possible to reality in their minds as they filled in the details bit by bit.

    He just had to do the same thing.

    The skill to focus and control the vectors of forces and alter them into attacks was nothing more than an added value. Most likely, the core of the reason he existed slept in what he was doing there.

    When he had naturally been given his esper name, he had surely understood it on an instinctual level, but Accelerator once more became strongly aware of that reason.

    “By mixing in nonexistent math similar to imaginary numbers into the contents of the parchments and inputting just one line of a unique physical formula, it rises to the surface. But that isn’t what’s important. Once I have solved the puzzle using the rules I put together myself, the mysterious Aiwass vectors in my head have been cut down to an inference exceedingly close to reality on the same level as the big bang theory. In other words,” Accelerator paused for a second, “I have the parameters needed to save this brat. Now is the time to turn this around.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 23.
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    Accelerator after gaining the knowledge of imaginary vector into the parchments.Accelerator can uses Index’s healing magic song to heal Last Order from her illness.Accelerator being a Esper cannot properly uses magic and using magic cause his body to extreme harm to his well being.When Accelerator finally finished the song,Last Order was successfully healed from Accelerator’s song.

    “It was a slight but ominous vibration like the omen of a train disastrously derailing.

    (The golden sky…!?)

    Mysterious vectors like Aiwass’s were pressing down on him from above.

    (I see. It isn’t too surprising that something like that would interfere with this a bit.)

    Static ran through TVs or radios when they were near power lines with high voltage currents running through them. It was the same as that. He immediately determined that and made slight adjustments to his equations.

    He was reminded of a ball rolling down a slope.

    At the bottom of slope was a cliff.

    If he continued to adjust his equations, he would cross a decisive line. Whatever he analyzed, Accelerator was an existence living within the normal physical laws. He himself would not be immersed just by knowing of the mysterious laws.

    He would cross that line.

    He would be swallowed up by the mysterious laws.

    Accelerator knew that, but he did not stop. He continued on. He shot down the slope in a straight line. He could already see the edge of the cliff. Accelerator saw that deep hole as a gate. He unhesitatingly headed forward and leapt into the bottomless darkness.

    He crossed that line in an instant.

    Immediately afterwards, a change occurred.

    “…!!!???”

    With a cracking noise, something within his body let out a cry. The blood vessels on the back of his hand swelled up oddly. He became strongly aware that he had thick blood pipelines running from his fingertips to his shoulders. As soon as he noticed that, something tore. His skin ripped from the inside and a dark-red liquid squirted out.

    Had he realized it?

    By breathing in a way impossible for a normal person and using vibrations from his entire body rather than just his throat, he had let out an extremely special voice. With that voice, he was refining his life force into magic power, putting together a spell, and outputting it into the real world. In other words, he was using true magic.

    Espers could not use magic.

    If they forcibly used it, what awaited them was an enormous rejection reaction.

    The damage did not remain in just one place. The flows of the arteries, veins, and nerves running through his entire body like spider webs gave him a strange pulse and pain while bringing their presence to the front of his mind. He was made strongly aware of the expansion and contraction of his organs as well as their locations. More sweat flowed from his body in an instant than if he were to enter a sauna. That clear and unpleasant liquid mixed with something red. Accelerator thought small scale explosions were occurring in various places across his body. That prediction was not wrong.

    But he continued because he had no reason to stop there.

    “Ohhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh!!!!!!”

    A wild yet solemn voice similar to a primitive aborigine dancing song spread throughout the white land.

    His entire body was soaked in blood and countless wounds were being expanded from within, but there was not even the slightest shaking in his voice. That was the strength of his will. He wanted to save a certain small girl. With that feeling alone, he overcame the very real pain and carried out his high-level mental work without the slightest error.

    There were stories from the age when the Christian Church was still persecuted by the Romans saying that many believers would occasionally witness the form of angels while they were being gruesomely tortured.

    There was a rather dreamless view saying that it was an illusion created from the excretion of excess chemicals in the brain in order to escape the excruciating pain. After all, the appearance of the angel was just too convenient. If angels actually existed and that powerful being was on their side, why had the Romans not been slaughtered there?

    That view may have been accurate in some cases.

    But what if those believers who were in that extreme mental state had subconsciously carried out the mental work needed to delicately carry out a complex and powerful spell that allowed them to temporarily control Telesma in order to perform a high level summoning? Wasn’t that another explanation that had some dreams left in it? Couldn’t it be explained as those believers responding with wordless words and briefly calling in a real angel via some quick spell?

    Yes.

    Accelerator prayed.

    He prayed wholeheartedly. He wished for nothing else. He paid no heed even to his own pain. Academy City’s strongest monster did nothing but continually pray so that he could protect the one who was more important to him than his own life.

    That white angel had been thrown down to the depths of the earth by a great amount of evil. He had crawled back up seeking light, but his wings had been broken by a different monster.

    But would anyone think that he was “fallen” by looking at his bloody face?

    Or would they think that his shining light would not be clouded even if he fell to the depths of hell?

    It was the same as with the many believers who had been looked down on, thrown into cells, or thrown into brothels, and yet those unsightly and filthy places had been completely transformed into shining places of faith.

    His soul was not so stained that he did not have a place to stand.

    Sinners would face their sins, risk their lives and work to make up for their sins, and wash away that darkness.

    It was not a mere performance.

    It was not something another could force one to do.

    The world was not so cold as to not save those who truly searched within their hearts, continually fought to change their ways, and tried to break from their destiny. Among the important historical figures of the Christian Church, there were those who had originally brought suffering to the Christians as Romans. Those people had regretted what they had done for the rest of their lives, but had headed down a path of hardships but also salvation as they continually fought to make up for their sins as much as they possibly could.

    What was Accelerator at that time?

    Was he a good person or a villain?

    Was he a human or a monster?

    Was he of science or of magic?

    If you had asked him, he would unhesitatingly have answered as follows: Isn’t that obvious? No other word can describe me other than “me”.

    “Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!”

    By walking down that bloody path, Accelerator had broken every single chain binding him.

    There was nothing left limiting him.

    He could head forward as far as he needed to.

    To save Last Order’s small life, he did nothing but head down the path he believed in.

    He became covered in blood.

    He continued to sing.

    And…

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    The white snowy plain was wrapped in silence.

    Accelerator’s song had ended. The end of the cane supporting his body slipped. Accelerator’s entire body was covered in red blood as he fell from his knees. That white hell would not allow its color to be changed, so he alone was dyed in the colors of his wounds and pain.

    His throat had exceeded its limit and his raspy breaths made it sound like his throat had been scraped over with a filed. He must have been injured internally as well because a red liquid occasionally flowed out with his breaths.

    He could not sing any longer.

    The tubes within his body had something sticky filling them up.

    However, Accelerator’s dark red-stained lips loosened a bit.

    (That’s right.)

    He did not need to sing any longer. After all…

    “…Are you okay?…says Misaka as Misaka asks a question.”

    His vision was hazy, but he heard that small voice.

    Those words came from the girl whose voice he had wanted to hear for quite some time. That sentence had been spoken by the girl who just before could not maintain consciousness and whose life could not be guaranteed. Her voice was quiet, but Accelerator could tell she had retained her core.

    Her existence was a trembling one that could disappear at any time and was frighteningly unreliable, but now a pillar that would not disappear had been set up at its center.

    Last Order had been stabilized.

    She would no longer suffer at the hands of unreasonable violence.

    Accelerator reflected deeply upon that truth. The next thing he knew, he was moving. The Level 5 who had once been called Academy City’s strongest monster stretched out his trembling hands and embraced Last Order’s small body that was still limp and without strength.

    He embraced her tightly.

    He embraced her so as to never let her go again.

    “…Thank goodness…” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 23.
    —-
    Sorry it took soooooo Looooong XP
    More Information about Accelerator in my #25 Comment in here XD Enjoy.

    Anyway = Accelerator Takes this = Acce Wins.

  55. Riverlia March 25, 2015 at 2:46 am -      #55

    *Refer to the upper middle of post #32. Considering Accelerator doesn’t have this ability up at all times (like when he gets shot by a bullet), there is reason to believe that there is an activation time which is probably equivalent to his thought speed.*
    —-
    Actually, Accelerator has a reflect shield on at all time which automatically reverse vector (excepts things he ‘programmed’ it not to, like air), including sun rays. Hence why he look pale, it’s like he’s always in a shade 24/7
    The issue with this shield is it require passive processing power from him, thus he has to turn it off when working of delicate matters.
    Which, in turn, is the context of Accelerator getting hit by a bullet. He was saving a girl by manipulating the vectors in her brain, and had to use all his processing power to make sure he does not cause any damage by accident. When he’s done, he’s too drained to re-establish his reflection field.
    Unless we are given a similar context, you cannot assume Accelerator not having his field up when having it up is his default mode.
    ====
    *Deflects a lightspeed attack.
    “She released a lightning spear from it. The spear of purple electricity moved forward at the speed of light and held enough destructive force to knock someone unconscious. She did not think that it would act as a fatal blow. As long as it distracted him long enough for her to get away, that was enough. However, the lightning spear she had fired at the boy rebounded and struck her in her own chest.” – To Aru Majutsu no Index Volume 3, pag. 58*
    —-
    Lightning is not light-speed.
    That said, he can deflect sun ray, that’s light speed. The question is whether that deflection is always on or not (it is) and if it’s not on, can he create it fast enough (most likely can’t, and depend on his current processing power, but this is a moot point since it’s always on).

  56. Riverlia March 25, 2015 at 2:54 am -      #56

    Another thing about Accelerator reflect field, apparently, it had a border where, if you pull back your attack at that exact spot, it register the vector of the pull-back action instead and reverse that, letting one by-passing the field.
    This require precise knowledge about Accel though, and the only one who manged to exploit it so far is the scientist who helped develop Accel’s ESP.
    While Goku should have more than enough speed to do this, he shouldn’t have the knowledge or precise calculation required to pull this.
    —-
    P/S: This weak point definitely applies to Sister arc Accel. I’m not up to date on To Aru and does not know whether Angelerator fixed this issue or not.

  57. Polloloko March 25, 2015 at 10:50 pm -      #57

    “Lightning is not light-speed.”
    I know, but the Ligthspeed Ligthing Bolt was Legitly out of the Ligth Novel, when Misaka 10031 shots a ligthing that was goen ligthspeed to see if it can distract Accelerator.
    Its pretty much Canon XP
    —-
    ” can he create it fast enough (most likely can’t, and depend on his current processing power, but this is a moot point since it’s ”

    Accelerator have shown to think faster before any FTL attacks ( Misaka Mikoto in the Railgun Sisters Saga Volumen 3 page 32 ) gets in contact whit him, + his Vector Shield is always On ( till the First day he was born ) making his body unable to get proteins from the sun and making his hair white ( No Color ).
    —-
    “This weak point definitely applies to Sister arc Accel.”
    Eh No, you are mistaking there, Sisters Saga Accelerator have no Weakness ( His Cockyness & Trust in his own Powers insteed of his own Pshisical Body was his own Weakness in that time ).

    That Weakness worked only whit Accelerator in the New Testament Arc ( Were he have only a 50% of his Powers ) until his Powers comes back at him + at the same time thanks to his Carering of Last Order & Index’s Angelic song making Accelerator to Half Awaken in to his Black Wings.

    overall = that weakness never worked again.
    —-
    “I’m not up to date on To Aru and does not know whether Angelerator fixed this issue or not.”
    Read Above ^

  58. Riverlia March 26, 2015 at 5:16 am -      #58

    *I know, but the Ligthspeed Ligthing Bolt was Legitly out of the Ligth Novel, when Misaka 10031 shots a ligthing that was goen ligthspeed to see if it can distract Accelerator.
    Its pretty much Canon XP*
    —–
    Then quote the part that said light speed. Last I check, she did not suddenly gain the ability to control photon, and ESPs tend to pay at least some respect to physic law when they are not evolving into Artificial Angel (IE: brain use electric pulse, so an electro master can ignore a mind controller).
    ====

    *Accelerator have shown to think faster before any FTL attacks ( Misaka Mikoto in the Railgun Sisters Saga Volumen 3 page 32 ) gets in contact whit him, + his Vector Shield is always On ( till the First day he was born ) making his body unable to get proteins from the sun and making his hair white ( No Color ).*
    —-
    The shield is always on is what my previous post already established, hence why his speed at creating it does not matter, it is already there.
    And no, last I check, Misaka power in Sister Arc is electrical discharge speed/lightning speed. If there is a passage saying it’s light speed, as said above, please quote it instead of assuming people will accept lightning = light.
    —-
    *Eh No, you are mistaking there, Sisters Saga Accelerator have no Weakness ( His Cockyness & Trust in his own Powers insteed of his own Pshisical Body was his own Weakness in that time ).*

    Nope. Accel himself did not know about that weakness until it was exploited, and the one who exploited it used the data from when he still has his power. It was not an issue of processing level, but from how he programmed his shield.
    There is no reason to assume more power suddenly make the vulnerability disappear.
    It’s like saying running window on a more powerful computer make it more resistant vs hacking.
    Sister Arc Accel will be harder to approached, since he can tear the attacker apart instead of just defense, but not having the weakness? Nah.
    ====
    *until his Powers comes back at him + at the same time thanks to his Carering of Last Order & Index’s Angelic song making Accelerator to Half Awaken in to his Black Wings.
    —-
    Was it mentioned anywhere that he fixed the way he created his field? If not, it’s still there, though it should be far harder if not almost impossible to exploit, since he can use other powers to deter any melee approach.

  59. Riverlia March 26, 2015 at 5:42 am -      #59

    P/S: Never mind, I missed the light speed part. A cursory search on my copy of Volume 3 shown the term being used twice.
    That said, nowhere did it show a FTL feat, only that the shield was always there, which I agreed to begin with.

    Geez, lightspeed make zero sense consider how her power acted like real lightning everywhere else, including the cloud-to ground lightning. So I’m still skeptical. This is likely not very different from Vali being called Light speed twice in DXD. Eastern fiction like their light speed description a tad too much.

  60. Polloloko March 26, 2015 at 8:39 am -      #60

    ” nowhere did it show a FTL feat
    + Misaka power in Sister Arc is electrical discharge speed/lightning speed. If there is a passage saying it’s light speed, as said above, please quote it instead of assuming people will accept lightning = light.”

    Sorry I said Volumen 3, thats the Index Sisters Saga, what I was trying to say was in the Railgun Volumen 4 Sisters Saga XP ( Sorry about that ).

    Here it is enjoy: ( PS. I put the [ ] things to make it easy to read what they are saying ).

    “[ YOU KILLED HER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!? ] – Mikoto exploded emotionaly.
    when Mikoto screamed, she shoots her Railgun that was goen faster than c, a constant equal to the speed of light in a vacuum, which is 299,792,458 m/s (by definition) or about 186,282.4 miles per second, more known as faster than ligth due Mikoto shooting it all out for the first time, the Railgun was goen directly at the boy,
    sudendly the second the Railgun make contact with the boy’s forehead, the Railgun was sent back with the same speed and impact back to Mikoto, hitting a bunch of steel standed rails behind Mikoto nearly hitting her, Mikoto was now speechless and frozen for what just happen rigth now
    [ That’s harsh; don’t say it like its actually murder ] – Unkown Boy started talking whit a smile in his face.
    Mikoto was still frozen and speechless
    [ ? what are you geting tense about?…Oh, I see.. ] – Unknown Boy continues.
    [ That was your best move rigth now rigth?.. even though we’re the same level, ku ku… ] – Unknown Boy ended talking whit a laugh.” – A Certian Scientific Railgun Volumen 4: Sisters Saga = Chapter: August 15th Part 3 / Page 32.

    Here it is in the Anime:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGoLG_b1Xg

    ( Take in Mind that in the Anime they slow it down “Slow Motion” to see it ).
    —-
    “Never mind, I missed the light speed part. A cursory search on my copy of Volume 3 shown the term being used twice.”

    Then its seattle then rigth? they were really ligthspeed attacks = canon.
    —-
    “Was it mentioned anywhere that he fixed the way he created his field? If not, it’s still there, though it should be far harder if not almost impossible to exploit, since he can use other powers to deter any melee approach.”

    Yea it was Mentioned by Last Order in the Begining of the Battle Royal Saga / Arc, were Accelerator was gana battle Touma in there rematch ( Second Round ).
    Like I said before, That weakness only worked when Accelerator haved only a 50% of his Powers, but now…..Nop.

  61. Polloloko March 26, 2015 at 12:03 pm -      #61

    Sorry for double post, but Reading the Match Information again, I think that the 2 Round was meant to be Tree Diagram Arc ( Were Accelerator haved only a 50% of his Powers ) = Black Wings ( First Time ).

    Overall:
    Tree Diagram Arc is After the Sisters Saga & is Before New Testament Arc, New Testament Arc is Before the 3rd World War Saga.

    cuz that rigth there really confiuse me here cuz:
    New Testament is near to the 3rd World War Saga, and Accelerator is much more powerfull than he use to be & know how to fully use his Black Wings at his fullest.

    & Tree Diagram Arc is were they shown the weakness due to Accelerator having 50% of his powers, & was the same Arc were his Powers comes back & Awaken as Black Wings Form.
    —-
    Novels really are confuising sometimes XP

  62. Riverlia March 31, 2015 at 10:18 am -      #62

    *Yea it was Mentioned by Last Order in the Begining of the Battle Royal Saga / Arc, were Accelerator was gana battle Touma in there rematch ( Second Round ).
    Like I said before, That weakness only worked when Accelerator haved only a 50% of his Powers, but now…..Nop.*
    —-
    Nah, it was definitely there when he was at 100% (pre de-power) since he was not even aware of this exploit. Any fixing would be post-depower.
    The reason it was not a real issue back then is nobody in-story can actually use it. Approaching him without Imagine Breaker is suicidal, and range attacks usually cannot pull 180 degrees turn. Not to mention nobody except that certain jerkass scientist know where is the precise point to pull back.

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