Nosgoth Vs Skyrim

Nosgoth Vs Skyrim

Suggested by Darth Bombad

Nosgoth from Legacy of Kain now wage war against Skyrim from Elder Scrolls

The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim the Dragonborn has defeated Alduin but hasn’t begun to resolve the civil war.

Both the Stormcloaks and Imperials (indeed all of Skyrim) must unite to face a new threat.

The Vampires of Kain‘s empire, they are sweeping across The Sea of Ghosts to attack Skyrim and Solstheim.

The six Clans are from the era of Nosgoth (the game), and are led by Kain himself.

Their goal is simple, destroy and enslave all of Skyrim.

The people of Skyrim will act in character, they won’t suddenly all just get along.

But if its reasonable to think that they’d recognize a common threat than yes they can work together.

Their goal is to repel the invaders and to kill Kain.

Will The Dragonborn be able to unite the various factions into a cohesive defense?.

Or will the day the Dawnguard have always feared come when vampires rule Skyrim.

Only one side can prevail, Light or Darkness….. FIGHT!!!!!

Who will win?

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70 Comments on "Nosgoth Vs Skyrim"

  1. Epicazeroth March 6, 2015 at 12:15 am -      #1

    I’m fairly certain the various factions would not unite. They would fight the Vampires, but they wouldn’t stop fighting each other. But, the DB is (probably) the head of all four Guilds. S/he has the Greybeards behind him/her, and basically all the Dragons.

    To be honest, what with the support the DB would have – assuming they completed everything but the Civil War questline – they might be able to just force the Imperials and Stormcloaks to work together. Hell, they probably have an at least cordial relationship with most of the Daedric Princes – many of whom would fight Nosgoth with glee.

    And speaking of the Dawnguard: did the DB help them, or did they side with the Volkihar?
    ===
    Also, obligatory “First!” comment.

  2. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #2

    Yayyyy! this got posted thanks Rookie!.

    @Epicazeroth
    I’d say the DB is with the Dawnguard, that’ll give him/her some vamp hunting experience.

    [Edit] Also lets make him/her a fully upgraded Werewolf.

  3. Rookie March 6, 2015 at 2:05 am -      #3

    @Darth Bombad

    Are they allowed to fight at Nosgoth’s side:
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Legions_of_the_Nemesis
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Mortanius
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Moebius
    ?

  4. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 2:19 am -      #4

    @Rookie
    It depends, i’m still trying to get a feel for how will balanced this match is.
    For now lets keep it restricted to just the Vampires of Nosgoth.
    If Skyrim is proving to be too much for them then we can open it up.

    [Edit] if you guys want we can go all in Nosgoth vs Tamriel.

  5. Rookie March 6, 2015 at 2:30 am -      #5

    @Darth Bombad

    “For now lets keep it restricted to just the Vampires of Nosgoth.”

    So Vorador allowed?

    “[Edit] if you guys want we can go all in Nosgoth vs Tamriel.”

    That will ends up in Tamriel stomping. I think just vamps from SR1 era vs Skyrim is as fair as it can get IMO.

  6. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 2:37 am -      #6

    @Rookie
    “That will ends up in Tamriel stomping. I think just vamps from SR1 era vs Skyrim is as fair as it can get IMO.”

    Yeah that’s what i thought, so Kain’s Empire vs Skyrim it is then and yes Vorador allowed.

  7. Rookie March 6, 2015 at 2:52 am -      #7

    Feats for Vorador:

  8. Rookie March 6, 2015 at 3:22 am -      #8

    This is how I see this. Skyrim have dragons at their side and Nosgoth have no flying units, so dragons will butcher a lot of vamps with ease. Nosgoth vamps cannot die unless you took their soul, but frankly there is a lot of gems and soul taking magic in Skyrim.
    Most Nosgoth vamps can not fight during day, unlike Skyrim’s vamps, so here’s another plus for Skyrim.
    Skyrim have a lot of battlemages at their side (including Thalmor’s troops in Skyrim) and those guys can summon powerful daedra and elementals to help them.Plus to Skyrim.
    Dragonborn can take Kain or Raziel or Vorador or any of the Kain’s lieutenants in one on one battle, so here’s another plus for Skyrim, unless vamps managed to assault Dragonborn all at once, but again, he have dragons to help him.
    Skyrim’s armies are more dangerous and competent, since they are used to fight against dragons and others supernatural enemies and also have some magic stuff and mages to help them.
    So overall Nosgoth just doesn’t stand a chance against Skyrim’s might IMO.

  9. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 3:52 am -      #9

    Well they may not be dragons but they do have aerial units in Kain’s army.

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  10. Jake_Uzumaki March 6, 2015 at 7:45 am -      #10

    Is the Dragonborn a werewolf for obligatory werewolf Dragonborn vs Kain fight?

  11. Warlock Lowk March 6, 2015 at 8:26 am -      #11

    And then all the stormcloaks died. Because I hate them and they are probably the least likely to get along with everyone else not nord and native to skyrim.
    Also the thalmor. Because eff those guys.

  12. GrandMaster March 6, 2015 at 9:11 am -      #12

    How do Karin Vampires stack up to Skyrim Vampires?

  13. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 10:28 am -      #13

    Er, can we not have Daedric Princes on Skyrim’s side? I don’t think Nosgoth has anything like that to throw into battle.

    A few starting questions then:
    Does Skyrim have any defense against attacks that come from the Spectral Realm?
    Nosgoth vampires aren’t hurt by sunlight, correct?
    Is Kain wielding the complete Soul Reaver?
    And is anything stopping Kain’s side from just endlessly siring new vampires on Skyrim’s residents?

    So, the clans of Nosgoth:
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Razielim
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Zephonim
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Dumahim
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Melchahim
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Rahabim
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Turelim

  14. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 10:34 am -      #14

    Yep, 6 was too much; when it finally comes through I have a list of Kain’s Vampire clans in post #13.
    Question: are we including Raziel or are we just using a complete Soul Reaver? Because the Spectral Realm is a potent tool for getting to places you can’t normally get to.

    How do Karin Vampires stack up to Skyrim Vampires?

    Considering what we know Raziel and Kain are capable of; if they’re even half as strong or durable they’re going to be a huge problem for Skyrim’s vampires. Not to mention Raziel in particular described their regeneration abilities as nearly unstoppable without proper procedures like decapitation or immolation.

  15. GrandMaster March 6, 2015 at 11:40 am -      #15

    Do Kain vampires have any defense against mind rape? And how durable are they? Because unless they are Lightning+ in durability, any basic mage will be a big problem for them.


    OP: is this only the main factions of Skyrim or foes it include everything in the game?

  16. Jake_Uzumaki March 6, 2015 at 11:47 am -      #16

    I believe its everyone in Skyrim by end of the game and DLC assuming you never touched the Civil War Questline from what he’s said so far.

    Also legit serious question for the OP from me this time. Is this max level in all stats, best armor and weapons etc. Dragonborn in the match or specific stat lineup?

  17. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 12:09 pm -      #17

    Do Kain vampires have any defense against mind rape?

    I believe they do. They even have a clan that specifically makes use of said mind-rape. The Zephonim.

    And how durable are they?

    Even dire wounds will heal over in seconds, and unless the body is completely destroyed the spirit of the vampire will just jump back into the body after a short while.

  18. Jake_Uzumaki March 6, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #18

    “unless the body is completely destroyed the spirit of the vampire will just jump back into the body after a short while.”

    Well the various fire and lightning attacks should be able to help with that part. Or soul reaping weapons that collect souls into soul gems might work.

  19. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 2:23 pm -      #19

    Or soul reaping weapons that collect souls into soul gems might work.

    I don’t recall Soul Trap working on Vampires. And Black Soul Gems are very rare aren’t they?

    Well the various fire and lightning attacks should be able to help with that part.

    Various fire and lightning attacks by those few talented/trained enough to use them yes. Looking into speed feats for base vampires but not having much luck. For strength they should be miles ahead of Skyrim’s inhabitants, although their numbers are by far less.

  20. Warlock Lowk March 6, 2015 at 2:32 pm -      #20

    “Various fire and lightning attacks by those few talented/trained enough to use them yes.”

    Or anybody who can hold a staff.

  21. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 2:40 pm -      #21

    Or anybody who can hold a staff.

    Those scale off of how powerful your magical skills are, in the hands of a normal it’s not going to be nearly as effective. It’s a shame this is Skyrim, Morrowind and the general Tamriel Empire would have much greater amounts of magic to work with- Skyrim natives dislike it with a passion.

    “The people of Skyrim will act in character”
    So good luck with getting a lot of magical support, heck, I’m pretty sure the Thalmor will just abandon Skyrim altogether.

  22. Warlock Lowk March 6, 2015 at 2:52 pm -      #22

    “Those scale off of how powerful your magical skills are, in the hands of a normal it’s not going to be nearly as effective.”

    Skill only seems to relate reducing the cost of firing them. Is there anything in actual canon that states how powerful they are relying on the wielder? The are basically just enchantments right. Like swords enchanted with fire, wouldn’t how powerful it is be reliant on how good the enchanter is?

  23. Amm0vamp1r3 March 6, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #23

    factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=147946

  24. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 4:02 pm -      #24

    Is there anything in actual canon that states how powerful they are relying on the wielder?

    I could’ve sworn you could fail to cast a spell with a staff the same as if you could when casting it normally, maybe I’m wrong- it has been a while since I played an Elder Scrolls game.

    Skill only seems to relate reducing the cost of firing them

    Yeah, a regular person is going to get maybe 3 shots out of a fireball staff, and I don’t expect them to land those shots when using magic for the very first time. If they’d even accept the use of it since Skyrim natives are in character.

    @Ammo
    Thanks, I’ll look through that in a little bit

  25. Warlock Lowk March 6, 2015 at 4:29 pm -      #25

    “Yeah, a regular person is going to get maybe 3 shots out of a fireball staff, and I don’t expect them to land those shots when using magic for the very first time.”

    The number of uses enchanted weapons have is dependent on the enchanter and the soul he uses. Skill deals in extending the use of it afterwards. At least in the skyrim school of magic.
    ===
    “I don’t expect them to land those shots when using magic for the very first time.”

    Chain lightning, explosives, and wide attacks are a thing. It kind of helps they seem fairly point and click as far as projectile weapons go. It’d be more down to the individual’s aim.

  26. Epicazeroth March 6, 2015 at 4:34 pm -      #26

    @Friendly: “I don’t recall Soul Trap working on Vampires.”
    But Nosgoth vampires are different from TES vampires, right? I don’t think TES vamps have Souls. Or if they do, they belong to Bal.

    “the same as if you could when casting it normally”
    You can’t fail to cast Spells. You can fail to learn them if you’re not skilled enough, but that’s the whole point of Staves: you don’t need to know Magic.

    “and I don’t expect them to land those shots when using magic for the very first time.”
    I’m pretty sure it’s just point-and-shoot.

    “If they’d even accept the use of it since Skyrim natives are in character.”
    That’s a much larger problem. However, didn’t someone say that decapitation works as well? Nords aren’t exactly concerned with finesse while fighting.
    ===
    @Lowk: “Chain lightning, explosives, and wide attacks are a thing.”
    And Walls, and Runes.
    ===
    But, um, seriously. The DB is, in this scenario, personally in charge of every faction in Skyrim except the Stormcloaks, Imperials, and Thalmor. The Greybeards and Dragons might be able to just Shout the Nosgoth vamps to ashes.

    Once the Nosgoth vamps regenerate (read: the first encounter), wouldn’t the Skyrim side try to just destroy the body after the first few unsuccessful kills?

    Also, I’d like to point out that Soul Stealing weapons are pretty common in Skyrim, and Soul Gems are even more common. Nords are actually pretty OK with Enchanting AFAIK – guards often ask the DB to enchant their weapons, at least.

  27. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #27

    I’m pretty sure it’s just point-and-shoot.

    As is a gun, you expect someone to hit a moving target with a gun on the first try?

    Or if they do, they belong to Bal.

    Is that how it works? I thought it was sentient creatures, cause you normally can’t absorb human souls either.

    didn’t someone say that decapitation works as well

    It does, but managing to do so is another story. Raziel moves tons of stone like they’re nothing so fighting them in physical combat is a daunting task even for Nords. I forget, do Nosgoth vampires have problems with Silver or no?

    The Greybeards and Dragons might be able to just Shout the Nosgoth vamps to ashes.

    Do they get the dragons? It mentions people of Skyrim so I thought I’d ask. As for Greybeards, Kain walks up and murders all of them in a manner of seconds through either teleport stabbing, blood absorption, or just outright mind rape. Then flies/teleports away, rinse and repeat.

    Hmm, 1v1 could Kain take on the Dovahkiin? Because losing a figurehead would demoralize either side immensely.

    guards often ask the DB to enchant their weapons

    Aren’t guards mostly imperial?

  28. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #28

    Here are some of Kain’s forces.

    Dumahim
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHEuJYRqOSA

    Zephonim
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGfO_Mo6Szk

    Turelim
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=psbAZLJMaro

    Melchahim
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqd1psbPWpI

    Razielim

  29. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 6:37 pm -      #29

    To answer a few questions you’ve guys had.
    Yes Kain can have the full Reaver.
    Yes the DB is fully upgraded .
    No the Daedric princes aren’t allowed.
    Yes everything in Skyrim acting in character.

  30. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 7:06 pm -      #30

    So could the Dragonborn take Kain in 1v1 combat? Because Kain certainly knows the value in removing the leader of the enemy forces. And if Kain can kill the Dragonborn, he can kill anything else Skyrim could throw at him.

    Just a few more notes then:
    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Rahabim
    These vampires actually like water, so they can swim up to unsuspecting villages and massacre/turn people at will.

    legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Melchahim
    These vampires can gain power from the things they take the flesh of, meaning the native toughness of Orcs and Nords would make them stronger after the initial battle. They can also summon spirits to fight for them.

    And I’ll just drop a link to Kain’s BankGambling page
    BankGambling.wikia.com/wiki/Kain

  31. Alpha or Omega March 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm -      #31

    I was under the impression that Dragonborn already fought Kain.
    I don’t know the results nor do I know what Dragonborn was.

  32. Amm0vamp1r3 March 6, 2015 at 7:40 pm -      #32

    factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=45106

  33. Jake_Uzumaki March 6, 2015 at 8:04 pm -      #33

    @Alpha
    They did face off but it was not one on one
    factpile.com/9413-chosen-undead-dragonborn-garrett-hawke-vs-dracula-kain/

  34. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 10:44 pm -      #34

    A map of Skyrim
    tamrielma.ps/skyrim/

    So, I can’t help but notice that everything of value for Skyrim is along the North coast and waterways.
    Solitude- Capital city with everyone important in it.
    Windhelm- City with everyone important who isn’t in Solitude.
    Dawnstar- Okay, this one isn’t that important.
    Morthal- A swamp that’s usually covered in fog, that sounds like an easy target for vampires of all kinds.
    Winterhold- Literally is the place where all the magic people go besides a few court magicians.

    Considering how strong and fast Nosgoth vampires are supposed to be, they should be able to pretty easily take one or more targets with little trouble- especially since Skyrim is still divided. (Although in the wake of what can only be described as “an army of pure evil arriving on their shores” I imagine the Skyrim residents will quickly band together).

    Send the bulk of the army towards the center of Skyrim to establish a foothold, or perhaps even assault Solitude directly.
    Send the water-traveling vampires to assault an inner city to strike fear into the enemy and possibly obtain new vampires.
    and send the flying units to assault the mage city, likely assisted by Kain himself.

    Should even one of these groups succeed in their goal, the rest of the conquest will prove much easier.
    Taking Solitude destroys all imperial leadership.
    Taking Winterhold removes most of the magical opportunity for Skyrim.

  35. Warlock Lowk March 6, 2015 at 11:23 pm -      #35

    Is the original Dragonborn in this as well? I mean it won’t really help much, just liked to know.
    ===
    “So, I can’t help but notice that everything of value for Skyrim is along the North coast and waterways.
    Solitude- Capital city with everyone important in it.
    Windhelm- City with everyone important who isn’t in Solitude.
    Dawnstar- Okay, this one isn’t that important.
    Morthal- A swamp that’s usually covered in fog, that sounds like an easy target for vampires of all kinds.
    Winterhold- Literally is the place where all the magic people go besides a few court magicians.”

    Solitude and winterhold are near the coast but situated on cliffs.
    Solitude has a a bit of path leading around up to it from the water
    thewafflebox.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/solitude.jpg
    But Winterhold is basically a well, you’re going to need to do some hiking around a to get up to it from the sea.
    i.imgur.com/EqQEX.jpg
    If the DB or Parthy is in charge of the dragon they could have a field day blasting Vamps trying to up those places.

    Besides windhelm I most of those places are just small towns last I checked.

  36. Friendlysociopath March 6, 2015 at 11:36 pm -      #36

    Solitude and winterhold are near the coast but situated on cliffs.

    You say that like it’s an issue for vampires that can fly and dig claws into stone to climb.

    f the DB or Parthy is in charge of the dragon

    Parth will be shot at on sight by most of Skyrim. And the DB needs to unite them, which he/she can’t do from Winterhold.

  37. Darth Bombad March 6, 2015 at 11:39 pm -      #37

    @Lowk
    “Is the original Dragonborn in this as well?”

    I like to think he’s already been defeated, making the DB that much stronger.
    As for the cities remember LoK vamps can climb pretty much any surface.
    And how many dragons does the DB have? i know 2 for sure and maybe Parth.

  38. Warlock Lowk March 7, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #38

    “You say that like it’s an issue for vampires that can fly and dig claws into stone to climb.”

    Flying is good but do you really think it’s a good idea to try and scale a place where people regularly train to toss explosive fireballs? Seems like a poor life(unlife?) choice
    ===
    “Parth will be shot at on sight by most of Skyrim.”

    And? Canonically speaking the only people who could really challenge him are people who actually know who he is and/or work for him.
    Nevermind the fact that the leader of mages, fighters, thieves, and thane of pretty much everywhere can vouch for them. That is a lot of pull in pretty much every direction.
    ===
    “And the DB needs to unite them, which he/she can’t do from Winterhold.”

    He can summon dragons. Tell one, he spreads the word. If not to the other dragons then to Parth who is now head dragon and ally… Unless DB sided with the blades. But who would side with those assholes over a cool ass old dragon guy voiced by Mario?
    ===
    “And how many dragons does the DB have? i know 2 for sure and maybe Parth.”

    He only knows two calls for sure. I don’t think he ever read Parthy’s name or had it infused in him.
    ===
    Funny enough I was joking before but taking out stormcloaks might actually help relations since there’d be less internal conflict.

  39. Neon Lord March 7, 2015 at 1:03 am -      #39

    “Flying is good but do you really think it’s a good idea to try and scale a place where people regularly train to toss explosive fireballs? Seems like a poor life(unlife?) choice”

    I thought there were only 15 or so mages in the Winterhold College?

  40. Friendlysociopath March 7, 2015 at 1:21 am -      #40

    DB isn’t going to unite Skyrim in a day, killer of Alduin or not. If he wants a united Skyrim, he’s got stuff to do: and both places he could go to aren’t Winterhold. Even disregarding quests, he still needs to actually talk to the head of both factions to form the alliance.

    Flying is good but do you really think it’s a good idea to try and scale a place where people regularly train to toss explosive fireballs?

    On the contrary, best strategy ever, start the vampires climbing and then have Kain teleport/bat form/ fog form straight to the mages that show up to blast them and murder/mind rape at leisure. He might even get a new lieutenant out of it. Or have flying vampires swoop down and grab them whenever they show up, it’s what they excel at.

    Funny enough I was joking before but taking out stormcloaks might actually help relations since there’d be less internal conflict.

    The sad part is that’s equally valid for just about every faction Skyrim has. I still maintain the Thalmor are just going to leave, so counting on them for support is a mistake.

  41. Warlock Lowk March 7, 2015 at 1:55 am -      #41

    “I thought there were only 15 or so mages in the Winterhold College?”

    Iirc it was mentioned in somewhere in one of the previous es matches the games are downsized. And if not, that’s actually good isn’t it? Wasting time to take down a few mages.
    ===
    “DB isn’t going to unite Skyrim in a day, killer of Alduin or not. If he wants a united Skyrim, he’s got stuff to do: and both places he could go to aren’t Winterhold.”

    Wouldn’t the ability to fly a dragon significantly cut down on travel time? So places to go is kind takenn care of. As to what he needs to unite, again he literally has fingers in everywhere. He got a lot of henchmen to run errands for him.

    Also how does Nosgoth have immediate knowledge, prep, and planning with all their units in place at go? Wouldn’t that all take time to actually set up? Do they have time travel or something? Cuz if they have time travel I don’t even know why that was not mentioned at the start and save trouble.
    ===
    “On the contrary, best strategy ever, start the vampires climbing and then have Kain teleport/bat form/ fog form straight to the mages that show up to blast them and murder/mind rape at leisure.”

    Is Kain undead? Are his troops undead. Becasue besides the create a continual unassisted wall of fire on any surface spell they also have a spell to repel the undead. So they don’t actually have to worry about the climbers.
    The flyer might be more difficult. Can vampires be frozen because they have a wide AoE freeze spell in addition to the flamethower spell that would be useful against anything that got to close.
    I have absolutely nothing for Kain though.
    ===
    “I still maintain the Thalmor are just going to leave, so counting on them for support is a mistake.”

    They can’t, they may be able to continue to act like assholes but they are part of the match now. One way in. One way out. ONE WAY IN. ONE WAY OUT.

  42. Kitten Lord March 7, 2015 at 8:19 am -      #42

    Ok this is going to be a long post. This thread is right up my alley.

    Some Nosgoth resources;

    www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/index.html

    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=45106

    www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/

    To add to those Ammo has already given us. These are decent sites for the lore, spells and abilities as well as some characters from Legacy of Kain, I dont know the “nosgoth” game very well or its lore compared to the older versions so some of the vampires in that game look somewhat different but in some cases superior to the old versions and in some cases weaker.

    Heres what we know about the legacy of Kain vampires, this is from the past games and the current Nosgoth title;

    [b]Super durable[/b], good luck to any poor regular troops that get into combat with Nosgoth vampires, seriously. Their not just enhanced humans that a lot of the Skyrim lot are, they can take a punch. Look up any of the soul reaver Raziel feats of strength and pressure calcluations and then consider that Raziel cannot just tear the average vampire to piecies before their regen takes over. Consider them walking tanks, each LoK vampire likely has superior physical feats to the dragons of skyrim and are just as tough to kill. Then even if you get close they regenerate.

    [b]Super human[/b]

    These vamps can leap potentially dozens of meters, scale steep walls and lay down huge punishment. Theirr just superior in pretty much every way to a peak human.

    [b]Evolving[/b]

    Legacy of Kain vampires will evolve if given enough time, this is a large scale nation vs nation battle so to think it may be over in a few months is unlikely. How long it takes for a vampire to evolve is not stated specifically but we know its “under” 1000 years. They also get stronger the more blood they drink which is likely going to be a lot considering the battlefields we may be talking about.

    [b]Varied[/b]

    Each spiecies of vampire is unique, you have the flying species born from Raziel. The especially large and tough ones from Dumah, the stealthy ones which based on the game Nosgoth can be damn tricky. Most interesting are perhaps how the Rahab vampires will dominate the water ways.. Smashing ships, destroying food from cargo etc.

    [b]Immortal[/b]

    Vampires in LoK will return as long as their souls are not extinguished or their bodies are at least in some form present. Disintegrate them or burn them to ashes but puting swords through them? good luck with that, waste of time. Arrows? waste of time, magic? now thats what you need but since my knowledge of skyrim is based purely on the game itself, not Elder scrolls online I can only say mages are not as common as you would think. They have essentially one college in skyrim, consisting of what, a dozen or so members?

    [b]Initial moves by the vampires[/b]

    My take on this fight initially is that the mortal races of Skyrim are in for a shock. This battle would be hard if they were a united skyrim but since their divided and in character, this is going ot be hard for them. There is also no prep time for either side as I understand it, and knowing Kain he is more subtle in his older years, he schemes and plans so its not likely hes just going to invade in mass and thats it, hes going to have every stealthy tactic at his disposal put in play. He would have vampires in every city, especially his sons if their in the match spreading the vampire “gift” and slowly corrupting the officials. What if the “Deceiver” from the Zephonim clan disguised themselves as major Skyrim nobles or generals to sow confusion? nobody would know, since their disguise is quite flawless. Someone like Skyrims high king, a stormcloak leader or imperial general gets killed/devoured, replaced by one of these and before you know it, the vampires control a major armyof skyrim and send it hurtling into the damn mages which are likely the only problem the Nosgoth vampires will face from the mortla races.

    People who consider Nosgoth do not always consider that the entire series itself is one massive “game” of shadows and Kain is a really good player of that game. I dont think anyone in Skyrim comes close to being nearly as devious.

    [b]Pitched battles[/b]

    This section is just an overview of what I think pitch battles will come down to. If theres ever a tussle between armies of say the imperials or stormcloaks against the vampires it would be a slaughter in the case of vamps devouring humanity. You see I cant tell how many actual mages would come in an army of imperials, and how many are actually in Skyrim but I know their not more numerous than soldiers which literally have no chance. Their basically men in iron or steel fighting superhumans who would pick them apart. The average armies in Tamriel do not know how to face vampires, yet Kain toppled a relatively high tech nation of humans to near extinction (one city, by his choice) even though all they fought was vampires and were geared up for it over centuries of war. Not to mention the game Nosgoth which Darth has included takes absolutely nothing away from the original vampires in the series and gives them a ton of awesome new powers, such as shadow and gas grenades, teleportation, huge quaking slams from Tyrants, more magical forces from the Melchahim, I mean damn in the orignal series those things were nothing but shambling zombies but now they cah summon other creatures, create forcefields and throw exploding balls of shadow?

    Now heres what may make Skyrims fight more interesting is [b]DRAGONS[/b], but how many are there exactly? from the game itself they were only being brought back by Alduin who is dead circa the start of this match which leaves maybe a dozne or so “known” dragons based on what we see in Skyrim. Their going to get targeted down by Razielim as soon as they show up, or worse Kain will just mind control them. And greybeards? their voice is powerful sure, but their still men, they are not numerous.

    [b]Siege[/b]

    Ok so pitched battles may be more common but if the vampires actually take the cities then Skyrim is in trouble, unlike their vampire opponents they (skyrims people) need to have a supply of food meanwhile vampires use their “opponents” as food and blood is a plentiful supply, not as easily ruined or despiled as a field can be burned, a ship of supplies can be sunk etc. Everyone is discussing vampires climbing walls but they dont even have to do that, like I siad in the beginning substefuge is key. Some can disguise, some can even just teleport inside. Open the gates, stealth kill the mages.

    Or brute force their way in, did you guys see the leaps the Tyrants were doing in Nosgoth video shown earlier? they can leap dozens of meters in one go and are unperturbed by striking the ground hard, they would just leap over the walls or into the city. This is especially easy in places like Markath for example which is surrounded by mountains (not a problem for vampiresl ike it would a human army) and apart from Solitutde and winterhold their not raised high, their walls are not huge. Its not like the gates of Baradur in lord of the rings. Their just like typical human castles.

    [b]Kain[/b]

    “As long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion” -Soul reaver 1, Kain

    The head honcho, Skyrim has to actually kill this guy? poor skyrim. Kains basically all of his vampire minions combined into an infinitely more powerful package. If solitude is a problem for his vamps to climb assuming they go the “hammer till their rubble” route he just has to point his finger at the castle walls and blow them to piecies with his TK. Each impact of his TK was calced in the triple digit ton range and is strong enough to shatter solid rock so continued blows from that across the castle wall and you wont have much of a castle left, Kain casts TK with simple gestures so how many he can do in a few minutes= how many troll sized chunks he can smash out of the walls or just smash away the supporting rock that holds up solitude…their main palace is on a jutting lump of stone over a precarious drop…

    He can also puppeteer anyone in Skyrim, either spiritually or mentally. He wants to the Dova? have him, or the high king, Pathunaxx, the grey beards. etc etc and can teleport across the land, become nothing but mist, if this guy does not want to be found he can disapear for years at a time while his agents spread like a plague and while he collects up major artefacts, daedric, vampiric or otherwise.

    Of course if Skyrim puts all their eggs in one basket, Dova, dragons, their armies of imperials and thalmor etc then Kain will just come down like a hammer on the lot of them at once and do this quickly.

    [b]What does Skyrim have in its favour?[/b]

    [b]Massive firebreathers;[/b], if Vampires have a weakness its fire, because they cannot return to their bodies spiritually if the body is burned to ash can they and a huge lizard that can breathe fire naturally is going to be a problem. Apart from Kain they have nothing “big” like a dragon, nor as powerful. Maybe they ca mind control them or swarm them with Raziels brood but its not easy.

    [b]Mages and their magic[/b]- Skyrims mages have a lot of powers at their disposal, including fireballs. But even more importantly than that, skyrims mages can cast soul trap and use gems to trap souls. This is essential in fighting LoK vampires however…..they do not necesserily know this is the only way to fight them because vampires in Skyrim do not play by the same rules. So this is going to be a learning curve, can they learn the weakness to the vampires soon enough before theres too few mages left to cast the spells. And more importantly, until their reserves of soul gems are stolen or destroyed by the vamps. Its also not a simple case of just casting soul trap, it lasts a short while and then you still have to get past the vampires magic and regen to beat it in that time to trap the soul.

    [b]Dragonborn[/b]

    He can likely fight vampires with some success as long as he does not get swarmed but if he gets in the way of Kain, he gets mind raped or destroyed in some way.

    [b]Final thoughts and questions to the community[/skyrim supporters/b]

    I dont suppose we know numbers on how many vampires are with Kain? we know in the soul reaver era they dominated the whole of Nosgoth and were essentially everywhere but theres no solid numbers. Kain if hes bringing his whole empire with him, every single member of every clan could have anywhere between tens of thousands to millions/billions of vampires since during Kains rule they were the dominant life on the world and were also immortal.

    Also how many mages are skyrim? same with dragons, this is important because the Nosgoth faction can take some losses and still manipulate its way to victory with only a handful of vamps or maybe Kain but skyrim has essentially been defeated as soon as their mages, soul trappers and dragons are dead. Their not going to win an economic or purepy physical/conventional war with Kain and his army.

    Edit; still cant remember how to bold text on this forum. Wish the options for text formating were visible like on the topia :)

  43. Friendlysociopath March 7, 2015 at 9:26 am -      #43

    @Kitten lord
    the greater than and less than signs, not brackets

    Wouldn’t that all take time to actually set up? Do they have time travel or something?

    I’m kind of assuming the vampires have at least a cursory idea of what they’re heading for via scouting units of flying or water vampires- and I only mentioned things they already do in Nosgoth, all of those were strategies from in the game:
    Flying vampires specialize in waiting for valuable targets to show themselves and then swooping in to grab them (swooping is bad)
    All vampires can climb over literally everything
    and so on.

    Kain time travels a lot actually, although I’m not 100% sure he can do it at will.

    One way in. One way out. ONE WAY IN. ONE WAY OUT.

    Don’t look at me, OP said in character, not my fault their character is self-important assholes. Speaking of which, don’t they kind of hate the DB with a passion as default just for playing the game?

    While the games are downsized, I don’t believe there are actual numbers given for Skyrim. The only other ES match I’ve seen progress to numbers was Mundus vs Creation- and we all saw how that went.

  44. Kitten Lord March 7, 2015 at 9:58 am -      #44

    thanks

    And Kain time travels a lot but as you say, he cannot do it at will. He can slow/freeze time with his magic but not travel it. None of the vamps can so unless Kain gets his hands on a elder scroll or something nobody has to worry about time travelling vamps.

  45. Epicazeroth March 7, 2015 at 1:01 pm -      #45

    @Friendly: “I thought it was sentient creatures, cause you normally can’t absorb human souls either.”
    Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying Vampires don’t have Souls in-game at all. I just double-checked; they do have Black Souls.

    It’s possible that Vampires made directly by a Prince, though – such as the Volkihar clan – don’t have Souls at all.

    “Aren’t guards mostly imperial?”
    Maybe in Solitude. I don’t think they are anywhere else, and definitely not in Windhelm.

    “Parth will be shot at on sight by most of Skyrim.”
    Not after he burns a dozen vampires to ash.
    ===
    @Kitten: “unless Kain gets his hands on a elder scroll”
    I’m pretty sure he would go blind.
    ===
    OK, so what are Nosgoth vampires’ weaknesses? Fire has been stated, but are they susceptible to silver? Sunlight? What about TES spells that damage undead, like Healing and Sun?

  46. Kitten Lord March 7, 2015 at 1:14 pm -      #46

    Only their young are weak to sunlight, fledglings. As for anything else, silver is never a factor, as for spells that damage unread, probably do something but unless its going to completly destroy the body or vanquish the soul its useless.

    wounds are fleeting to a vampire afterall. How do these undead damaging spells/healing affect vampires or more specifcally vampire lords in Elder scrolls?

    also a lot of spells in Elder scrolls are effective dependent on the power of the enemy. A lower level “turn undead” spell cannot affect higher tier undead some one must take into consideration most Nosgoth vamps are pretty high tier by vampire standards, their evolved, sunlgiht immune and have sick regen so the likliness of them being affected by a spell that would only effect say, a group of dragur or skeletons in Elder scrolls is low.

    Also most elder scrolls spells are relatively slow. Even the fireballs and what not. Only lightning is fast and that will likely be limited aganst vampires unless its the higher tier ones.

    A vampire weakness is effectively something that can destroy the body completely, ala burning as an example or remove/destroy the soul. If a spell or ability does not do this then I doubt it would do much more than irritate the vampires.

  47. Friendlysociopath March 7, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #47

    Fire has been stated, but are they susceptible to silver?

    I don’t believe so, I’ve heard no mention of it and I think there are silver items in the games that you pick up. Humans in Nosgoth fight against vampires mostly by using alchemy potions/poisons, guns, and tons of cannon fodder/numbers.

    Sunlight?

    Only for just-born vampires, fledglings. Adult vampires have no issues, with the exception of the water-based clan.

    What about TES spells that damage undead, like Healing and Sun?

    Not sure about that one.
    The Kitten ninjas

  48. Epicazeroth March 8, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #48

    @Kitten: “How do these undead damaging spells/healing affect vampires or more specifcally vampire lords in Elder scrolls?”
    1) They do damage… Fire damage cancels Health regen (in-game at least).
    2) Why VL’s specifically? Are they more similar to Nosgoth vamps?

    “also a lot of spells in Elder scrolls are effective dependent on the power of the enemy.”
    Not direct damage spells. Only Illusion, Paralysis, and Turn Undead spells work based on enemy “level”.
    ===
    OK, so how does TES sunlight work with Elemental Compatibility? Because in TES, sunlight is ambient Magic; it’s literally the source of all (or like 95%) of the Magicka in Nirn. So does that mean it would affect the vamps, or not?

  49. Friendlysociopath March 8, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #49

    Why VL’s specifically? Are they more similar to Nosgoth vamps?

    I think he meant that in terms of powerscaling. Nosgoth vampires are stronger than the Vampire Lords, so if something doesn’t even work on VL then it certainly wouldn’t work on Nosgoth vampires.

    OK, so how does TES sunlight work with Elemental Compatibility?

    But it still works as sunlight for all intents and purposes right? Plants need it to grow and all that jazz? Sunlight just doesn’t harm adult vampires, it being magic is weird but I don’t see it making a difference. The argument could be made that since it’s magic, it’s not actual sunlight so even fledglings would be able to be fine.

    I distinctly remember burning to a crisp in Morrowind when my vampirism kicked in while I rested in the wilderness (auto-saved too, I was locked in a cycle of death).

  50. Epicazeroth March 8, 2015 at 3:55 am -      #50

    @Friendly: “I think he meant that in terms of powerscaling.”
    1) That’s not how it would work, though… TES VL’s are different in other ways from Nosgoth vamps. If something doesn’t work on a VL because of, for example, the way TES vamps are made, it could still work on Nosgoth vamps.
    2) Regardless, they affect VL’s exactly the same.

    “it being magic is weird but I don’t see it making a difference.”
    OK. I thought that if Nosgoth vamps were more susceptible to Magic, it might make a difference.

    “I distinctly remember burning to a crisp in Morrowind when my vampirism kicked in”
    Different type of Vampirism. Morrowind has Porphyric Hemophilia. In Skyrim Vampirism is caused by Sanguinare Vampiris. Vampire Lords are created directly by Molag Bal, or if bitten by an existing Vampire Lord. Skyrim vamps just don’t regen naturally during the day.
    ===
    Hmm… I wonder: What would happen if a Kryptonian were to go to Skyrim? Would they gain new abilities, because the Sun is Magic; or would they be harmed, because the sunlight is Magic?

  51. Ragnorke March 8, 2015 at 4:34 am -      #51

    Not gunna pretend like i’v been reading this thread… but…
    Does Skyrim get their Daedra & Princes? They all have an active part in the game, regardless of how small, and that makes them a part of this match does it not?

    “Hmm… I wonder: What would happen if a Kryptonian were to go to Skyrim? Would they gain new abilities, because the Sun is Magic; or would they be harmed, because the sunlight is Magic?”

    Elemental Compatibility should make it act similarly to a DC yellow sun.
    Also, Magic doesn’t by Default “harm” Kryptonians. They’re just vulnerable to magic like everyone else is. Do regular people get harmed by Skyrims magic sun?

  52. Kitten Lord March 8, 2015 at 5:12 am -      #52

    The princes were locked out fortunately earlier on. Besides this is all in character, the daedric princes do not do much in Skyrim itself during play so I cant see them doing much here. Infact some may likely aid the vamps.

    “Why VL’s specifically? Are they more similar to Nosgoth vamps?”

    Kind of what Friendly said, plus their as close as you can get. More evolved on those “humanoid” vamps you usually see. If they do damage then I suppose they would be gauged the same as any spell that does “damage” but I cant see it getting through the regen unless its really powerful.

    “Fire damage cancels Health regen (in-game at least).”

    If this worked on very powerful natural healing factors like those on the vampires of nosgoth it could be useful. I suppose a lore specific version of this happening would be interesting, unless it purely means that burned flesh is unlikely to regenerate in which case burning the vampire to dust has the same effect anyway.

    Vampires regen is constant as long as the body is not completly destroyed. For example water is like acid to a vampire, yet in soul reaver vampire bodies that had lain dead in water for potentially years had yet to decompose/dissolve. And as soon as the water was removed were on their feet. So use intense heat to completly destroy them or not at all.

    As for Tamriel sunlight, it being magical will likely be a boon rather than a problem for vampires. Their not weak to magic, infact some vampires use it and are even more powerful because of this, Kain being the major user of it of course.

    Its just that magic is still likely to be the main way Skyrim can make any dent in Vampire numbers if at all.

  53. Epicazeroth March 8, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #53

    @Rag: “Elemental Compatibility should make it act similarly to a DC yellow sun.”
    But don’t Kryptonians have slightly different reactions to different stars, even if they’re the same type? Though, the only time I know this happened is in a DC/Marvel crossover, so it might not be canon.
    ===
    @Kitten: “Infact some may likely aid the vamps.”
    The only ones I could think who would be at all likely to do that would be Dagon, Boethiah, and Mephala. Vile or Vaermina might (but probably not) if they were feeling particularly dickish, but Vaermina isn’t really that strong. And even then, there wouldn’t be any real incentive for any Princes; the vampires would likely have to offer them something they want.

    “If this worked on very powerful natural healing factors”
    I dunno how powerful Troll regen is compared to Nosgoth vamps’. It might just a case of the fire burning the flesh to prevent healing.

  54. Warlock Lowk March 8, 2015 at 3:42 pm -      #54

    “Hmm… I wonder: What would happen if a Kryptonian were to go to Skyrim?”

    Magic kryptonian?
    ===
    “But don’t Kryptonians have slightly different reactions to different stars, even if they’re the same type?”

    Yellow suns pretty much have all the same effect. It seems to go by color of the star.
    ===
    J’zargo made a fire cloak spells that exploded undead. Scrolls allow people without skill to pull of high tier magic without using any power.
    So the only downside to it is that you either have to be really durable, protected/shielded, or fast to survive the resulting explosion.

  55. Ragnorke March 8, 2015 at 3:47 pm -      #55

    “But don’t Kryptonians have slightly different reactions to different stars, even if they’re the same type? Though, the only time I know this happened is in a DC/Marvel crossover, so it might not be canon.”

    It’s the age of the star that matters. Younger stars give off more energy, and give Kryptonians more powers.
    Blue stars are the youngest, and thus give Supes the most power, and some reality warping abilities if i remember correctly.
    Yellow is his base power level. He’s half as powerful under the influence of Orange,
    And he starts getting drained (and loses his ability to fly) under Red.

    “Magic kryptonian?”

    This… Would be interesting…

  56. Kitten Lord March 8, 2015 at 5:29 pm -      #56

    @Lowk

    ” Scrolls allow people without skill to pull of high tier magic without using any power.”

    high tier? I wouldnt call Jzargo’s spell especially “high tier” really. Wasnt it a basic spell you got early on in the game? And how easy canonically is it to make scrolls?

    And what characters “without” skill in magic can pull it off?

    Also Kryptonians are not in the thread and have nothing to do with it guys…seriously.

  57. Amm0vamp1r3 March 8, 2015 at 5:36 pm -      #57

    My money is on Nosgoth to take a war. Stronger and faster soldiers, a lot more to gain in this new land by that I mean they can and more than likely will pick up and utilize Magic, weapon crafting and other lore based things of skyrim.

    As opposed to Skyrim which the only thing they could gain is possibly some new weapons and a bigger vampire problem.

  58. Warlock Lowk March 8, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #58

    “high tier?”

    Was referring to scrolls in general.
    ===
    “I wouldnt call Jzargo’s spell especially “high tier” really. Wasnt it a basic spell you got early on in the game?”

    They were a modified flame cloak spell. Flame cloaks are adept level.
    ===
    “And how easy canonically is it to make scrolls?”

    Apparently you can make them the same way you enchant something.
    So not that difficult for a mage or anyone who knows what they are doing… and know how to read and write I suppose. As long as they have the materials and knowledge.
    Or I guess anyone with access to an arcane enchanter… and knows how to read and write. That things basically the most cheatingess method I have ever heard of regarding making enchantments in fiction. Destroy something, gains knowledge of how to make enchantment, insert object, insert soul gem, concentrate, done.

  59. Kitten Lord March 8, 2015 at 6:31 pm -      #59

    I know regular items are enchanted in a similiar way, is that defiantly the way scrolls are made as well or are you just suggesting that is the likely the case? Dont recall it being stated in skyrim itself, their just sort of found here and about iirc by the dragonborn.

    Also its not like their going to have a factory of these things producing scrolls for every man, women and child. in the actual universe the people send their junk to winterhold to be enchanted by that guy who sounds like Tigger from winnie the pooh. I know because he always grumbles about it when he tries to get you (even when your archmage) to run out and get the items for him, lazy ass.

  60. Warlock Lowk March 8, 2015 at 7:43 pm -      #60

    “I know regular items are enchanted in a similiar way, is that defiantly the way scrolls are made as well or are you just suggesting that is the likely the case?”

    How you make’em in morrowind.
    ===
    “Also its not like their going to have a factory of these things producing scrolls for every man, women and child. in the actual universe the people send their junk to winterhold to be enchanted by that guy who sounds like Tigger from winnie the pooh.”

    Well he does make them in scroll form, 10 at a time iirc; I’d imagine it’d be easier to mail those out. Give those to the court mages to break down. Might not get them to everyone but should at least crank out a more product then he could. At least enough to make this less of a stomp.
    ===
     “I know because he always grumbles about it when he tries to get you (even when your archmage) to run out and get the items for him, lazy ass.”

    Well not constricted by the game the option to throw an obscene amount of money at his face is possible. Khajiit still love money right?

  61. Amm0vamp1r3 March 9, 2015 at 2:56 pm -      #61

    Not sure how much it adds because I am watching it myself but the “Dead Sun” gameplay shows some interesting “abilities” for the Nosgoth side

  62. Epicazeroth March 9, 2015 at 5:40 pm -      #62

    @Lowk: “So the only downside to it is”
    It’s not that big an explosion.
    ===
    @Kitten: “I wouldnt call Jzargo’s spell especially “high tier” really. Wasnt it a basic spell you got early on in the game?”
    It’s mid-tier. But you can make high-tier scrolls as well.

  63. Kitten Lord March 10, 2015 at 7:06 am -      #63

    @Ammo

    Looks cool, its sad when I think of how there would have been more legacy of kain games and this one looks pretty cool despite not having the primary heroes. Although this guy is a lot like raziel, the similarities

    Still what with Nosgoth out and it seems fairly popular it may spike the interest in such a series, at the very least a reboot of the old stuff with a modern flair..

  64. Amm0vamp1r3 March 10, 2015 at 3:39 pm -      #64

    @Kitten

    Yeah I think it looks cool also, I like the “open world” look of it especially when he grew wings. I could have a lot of fun with those and I hope nosgoth does shine some light on the series and get it a new installation, a reboot and HD remake. Anything would be good

    As for the Debate my money is on Nosgoth for the win.

    Skyrim inhabitants are very durable, capable warriors but the vampires basically are a composite of what they can do.

    The nosgoth vampires were already posted so I don’t have to go into detail about them but Razielim allow the vampires to rule the sky, because the skyrim Dragons aren’t that great honestly

    and the other ones make a siege or battle lean in their favor, arrow dodging reavers, earth shattering tyrants, mind controlling deceivers and water ruling rehabim.

    Now the thing is they are the foot soldiers of the vampires, the vampires still have kain who is a powerhouse alone and I can see taking the DB casually but they also have Vorador, Sebastian, Marcus, magnus. Rehab, Dumah, Turel,,Melchiah and zephon

    All who can create more vampires and that in itself is dangerous but all the vampires can use “The Whisper”

    25 seconds in

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtqZIi8nbOY&list=PLDEF64D20BAFFF40D&index=2

    So the whisper allows long distance communication which is something skyrim doesn’t have, they use couriers. Which can be killed.


    Also not really a point against them but Dawnguard kind of showed how they handle a vampire menace, most people just said “we have to do something about these vampires” or “Dragons from the sky, vampires on the ground etc” so no one will actively seek out kain besides maybe the dragonborn and his help

  65. Kitten Lord March 10, 2015 at 5:01 pm -      #65

    Thats a good point about the whisper, its essentially like an advanced radio system that can allow Kain or any of the vampire leaders keep a constant flow of information between the minions.

    its like the vampires have what is the equivalent to a full theater modern communication network only its mentally ingrained into each vampire, not just a bit of tech.

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 March 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm -      #66

    I saw the “does sunlight effect nosgoth vampires”

    It does actually, effects just like skyrim vampires.

    weaker vampires burn

    and stronger vampires don’t burn they do get weaker. I don’t think they ever evolve past that

    3:20

  67. Friendlysociopath March 11, 2015 at 4:25 pm -      #67

    It does actually, effects just like skyrim vampires. weaker vampires burn and stronger vampires don’t burn they do get weaker. I don’t think they ever evolve past that

    Tutorial of Soul Reaver: Raziel specifically states only fledgling are vulnerable to sunlight.
    Also:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DOKzTHaPfM
    Somehow I doubt they’d have their grand chamber in sunlight if it was a problem.

  68. Amm0vamp1r3 March 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm -      #68

    Tutorial of Soul Reaver: Raziel specifically states only fledgling are vulnerable to sunlight.


    Yeah I recall the scene, He said fledglings are devastated by sunlight’s touch

    but that doesn’t mean that what Kain said is untrue that vampires become weaker in natural light.

    Somehow I doubt they’d have their grand chamber in sunlight if it was a problem.

    Why not? Its not like anyone would dare attack them? Kain is the ruler of the land and the strongest vampire, he doesn’t have to worry about being weaker in the sunlight because he isn’t in combat.

    also last post accidently posted all the videos this is the one I meant to post same time stamp

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RErBAmM5dcM

    and here 15 seconds in he references how at night the vampires powers grow

  69. Darth Bombad March 11, 2015 at 6:44 pm -      #69

    They can always build furnaces to block out the sun legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Smokestack
    once they’ve established a good foot hold in Skyrim.

  70. Kitten Lord March 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm -      #70

    “weaker” cannot really be gauged as far as Nosgothian vampires are concerned though. For example when fighting vampires outside in the daylight in soul reaver as Raziel the fights are no different with the adults than if their inside. They seem just as strong, fast and have the same regen and attacks.

    As for Kain himself, thanks to time travel most of his entire adventure is in a previous time when humans ruled. He never suggested he was weaker then and we dont see it either, he is as strong as ever.

    Its likely a minor thing, adult Nosgoth vampires do not seem to suffer as much as Skyrim vampires.

    Also is it not the plot of the Skyrim expansion for the vampire lords to eclipse the sun? if Kains empire starts spreading anew in Skyrim its likely Kain will eclipse the sun in the same way.

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17 Rare Star Wars Pictures

To see them, click here

Comic Con 2013 Cosplay Gallery

Just a ton of pictures of cosplayers from the 2013 Comic Con event

Ancient Aliens Map

If you ever watched the show "Ancient Aliens" and wanted a quick reference to where all the locations they mention are at, this is the site for you!

Fictional Universes Database

Soon to be shut down by Google, but here is a great starting point for Fictional Universes

99 Star Wars Pics

Some are cool, some are a bit absurd, but they are all based on Star Wars

Alternate Movie Posters

Something a bit distinct - Check them out

Epic Swiss Army Knife

Not Really...

Future Me

Write yourself an email letter to the future - Future Me

Neil Degrasse Tyson

Star Talk Radio - As always, keep looking up!