Swordsmen Battle Royale

Swordsmen Battle Royale

Suggested by sadot06

Mifune (first time here) from Soul Eater, Samurai Jack, and Afro Samurai will go up against Satsuki Kiryuin (first time here) from Kill La Kill, Karasuba (first time here) from Sekirei, and Teresa (first time here) from Claymore.

Standard rules and fight.

Fight takes place in the Forest of Quiet Movement

Who will win?

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75 Comments on "Swordsmen Battle Royale"

  1. Rookie March 9, 2015 at 6:02 am -      #1

    I think that team 2 should win.

    Some feats for Afro Samurai:

  2. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 7:07 am -      #2

    It’s not Mifune’s first time here is it? I swear he has other matches.

    That said, Mifune is only human and I don’t recall him having the most impressive feats. Here’s hoping Afro Samurai and Samurai Jack bring more to the table.

  3. Nsl98 March 9, 2015 at 9:12 am -      #3

    Only one I know here is Samurai Jack.
    —–
    His RT is absolutely ridiculous:

    He’s dodged missles, deflected gatling gun fire, and he dodges bullets, arrows, and lasers with ease.

  4. Jake_Uzumaki March 9, 2015 at 10:53 am -      #4

    Not Mifune’s first factpile.com/4840-kenshin-himura-vs-mifune/

    As to which side wins, I only know Satsuki from team two so I’ll wait to see what the other two can do

  5. itcheyness March 9, 2015 at 11:49 am -      #5

    Since Teresa is from Claymore, I’m going to say that she’s fast enough to kill every other fighter here before they even realize what’s going on…

  6. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 11:57 am -      #6

    I know Samurai Jack is stupid-fast but all the old threads that he’s in have videos that no longer work. They mention an entire fight sequence happening in the span of a raindrop or something.

  7. Sauroposeidon March 9, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #7

    Jack solos for his team before they even blink.

  8. itcheyness March 9, 2015 at 12:57 pm -      #8

    After which, Teresa’s after image fades, She reveals that she’s now behind Jack, and Jack’s hands fall off before Teresa’s blade removes his head.

    She then says that he was pretty fast, for a human.

  9. sadot06 March 9, 2015 at 12:57 pm -      #9

    Satsuki – First fight with Ryuko wearing her Junketsu: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yQBG1KTS4M

    As a kid: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX7ukHGphPQ
    Note at the 12:40 mark when she sends a shock wave by twitching that repels nearly 100 men.

    vs Berserk Ryuko: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp-whQC_Ij8

  10. sadot06 March 9, 2015 at 12:58 pm -      #10

    Teresa vs Priscilla: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkCT-mdr0ZY

  11. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 1:02 pm -      #11

    Hey, found that Samurai Jack clip- or at least I assume this is the water drop feat

  12. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 1:02 pm -      #12

    I think you guys are seriously forgetting about how op people in kill la kill are. She could probably stomp current zoro from one piece. Check this video at the 2:00. She is the girl in white with black hair.

    www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=WdD9VKaDI8SxogS5sIKACg&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_yQBG1KTS4M&ved=0CBwQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNHbyvG6QcpgbPmEvTc6rTDQMQg4gQ

  13. sadot06 March 9, 2015 at 1:04 pm -      #13

    Karasuba vs army: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9ezp_HxJc

    Casual bullet dodging to kill soldiers with automatic weapons. Blows up 2 battleships from a distance with the force of her swings.

  14. sadot06 March 9, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #14

    “That said, Mifune is only human and I don’t recall him having the most impressive feats. Here’s hoping Afro Samurai and Samurai Jack bring more to the table.”

    He fights black star in the manga, where the already super human black star gets significantly more hax and still struggles with Mifune.

  15. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #15

    He fights black star in the manga, where the already super human black star gets significantly more hax and still struggles with Mifune.

    He fights Black Star fairly early on though, and Black Star ultimately wins and kills him (Only reason I prefer the anime, Mifune lives in it). How strong and fast was Black Star during that time period? Mifune’s certainly at least a bullet-timer since he took on Al Capone and all his men without a scratch, but I’m unsure of his strength.

    A respect thread for Maka says he’s Mach 15 but doesn’t mention why.

  16. Sauroposeidon March 9, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #16

    Jack still solos.

  17. Ragnorke March 9, 2015 at 2:34 pm -      #17

    After watching the rain drop fight… is it worth suggesting a Jack vs Dante match? o.o
    Or maybe even street level comic heroes.
    That’s some absurd speed.

    I’ll do some calcs in a few hours.

  18. Nsl98 March 9, 2015 at 2:44 pm -      #18

    @Rag
    Yeah, most likely. I was personally thinking about Iron Fist or Agent Venom.

    I’m with Sauro. Team Jack ftw.

  19. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 2:45 pm -      #19

    I’ll do some calcs in a few hours.


    If you’re up for it, could you check my calculations on the Percy Jackson vs Link thread? I tried calculating how much force his water hands had.

  20. Envoy March 9, 2015 at 3:17 pm -      #20

    Whats a quiet movement?

  21. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 3:21 pm -      #21

    I have no clue why that water drop video is a speed feat. All those clips stitched together take several seconds to happen. Longer than it would take for a drop of water to hit the floor. Who even says it’s the same drop?

  22. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 3:30 pm -      #22

    Who even says it’s the same drop?

    Everyone, probably because that’s the entire point of that scene. Otherwise why bother focusing so much on the drop?

  23. sadot06 March 9, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #23

    How does Jack Solo if he isn’t faster or stronger than everyone on the other team?

  24. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 3:48 pm -      #24

    “Otherwise why bother focusing so much on the drop?”

    I was thinking it is an eastern film technique. Kind of like how old western movies show tumble weeds passing through. Not the point of the scene, but it gives the scene some peacefulness imo. Though I am not much of a movie guy, I recall seeing many similar film techniques in samurai or kung fu films. Like panning to one of those bamboo water things you see in Zen gardens.

  25. Amm0vamp1r3 March 9, 2015 at 3:54 pm -      #25

    Yeah jack is impressive:

    The rain drop feat
    causally blocking automatic gun fire
    a 700 ton sumo wrestler landing on him and not crushing him
    he can disappear in broad day light and some other things


    but I think he is dangerously out of place here and that’s just judging off satsuki, I don’t know the other two

  26. Sauroposeidon March 9, 2015 at 3:54 pm -      #26

    Pimp. We shouldn’t have to explain these things to you. Stop being willfully ignorant. If it pisses people off when I do it, it’s gonna do the same when you do it.

  27. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 3:59 pm -      #27

    I would check tv tropes to find what I am talking about, but I don’t know how to navigate that site too well.

  28. Amm0vamp1r3 March 9, 2015 at 4:09 pm -      #28

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    giant.gfycat.com/UnhealthyNextHoneybadger.gif

  29. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm -      #29

    “Pimp. We shouldn’t have to explain these things to you. Stop being willfully ignorant. If it pisses people off when I do it, it’s gonna do the same when you do it.”

    Why did you just post this? Is it because I just took a huge steamy shit on that legendary water drop scene? Could you explain to me how I am wrong instead of getting angry and making this personal? You give me to much credit.

    Found the trope I was looking for referencing that water drop scene.
    tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChirpingCrickets

  30. Amm0vamp1r3 March 9, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #30

    What does that trope have to do with anything? Thats a trope about when you say something supposedly funny and get nothing, like a cough, a tumbleweed or a cricket chirping

    The water drop is, on the other hand ,obviously a speed feat showing that in the time it took that water drop to hit the ground jack was able to dispatch the hunters

  31. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 4:56 pm -      #31

    Tumble weeds were made to be comedic in modern times as parody. Their use in older films had nothing to do with comedy. And one again, all those fight scenes of Jack killing the hunters takes several times longer than the time it takes for a drop to fall.

  32. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 5:07 pm -      #32

    It’s a way of showing time pass, they gave you a standard unit of time- the rain drop- and then showed a sequence of events happening during that unit of time.

    It’s as if a giant clock was counting every second, but in the space between 17:06:13 and 17:06:14 there was an entire fight scene. The fight scene itself may be longer than a second, but it occurred in the space of a second.

  33. Amm0vamp1r3 March 9, 2015 at 5:14 pm -      #33

    what sociopath said, that entire fight scene all took place in the time of the water drop

    this is actually how fast it was
    30 seconds in

  34. Kuja9001 March 9, 2015 at 5:19 pm -      #34

    Teresa Feats

    During a confrontation with Irene, Teresa doges a sneak attack from the 1st floor.

    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/04-019.0/compressed/Claymore_v04_128.jpg
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/04-019.0/compressed/Claymore_v04_129.jpg
    —–
    The sound from clashing swords with Priscilla can shatter glass.
    —-
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/04-020.0/compressed/Claymore_v04_152.jpg
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/04-020.0/compressed/Claymore_v04_153.jpg
    —-
    Her basic movements are akin to Miria’s Phantom Technique.
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2434/020.png
    —-
    Copies Cassandra’s Dust Eater Technique
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2434/026.png
    —-
    Uses Jean/Helen’s Drill Sword Technique.
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/095.png
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/096.png
    —-
    Uses Irene’s “Flash Sword” at 100% & literally turns Priscilla into dust.
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/111.png
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/112-113.png
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/118-119.png
    —-
    Uses Flora’s “Wind Cutter” Technique.
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/097.png
    —-
    When she awakens, Teresa gains the ability to fly.
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/100.png
    —–

  35. Sauroposeidon March 9, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #35

    Essentially, we timed how long it took each of the preceding drops to fall. Then we timed how long the fight took. We divided the one against the other to realize how long a second in the fight scene equals a second in the “real time” scenes involving the preceding falling drops. With that, we were able to get rough speed calculations based on that.

    That’s why it’s an important scene. It’s one of the few times where, in a show that is almost nothing but stylized animation sequences with a very artsy nature to it, we are able to actually quantify Jack’s actions. It’s not just “And Jack slices still enemies over and over again” which is basically the majority of the show, and as such is very useful. Now, no one is saying Jack is ALWAYS that responsive. No one is perfect, either in speed or focus, but it is a feat none the less.

  36. PrimusxPilus March 9, 2015 at 8:03 pm -      #36

    Claymore and Jack are badass. Watching this match

  37. Kuja9001 March 9, 2015 at 8:55 pm -      #37

    More Teresa Feats
    —-
    She literally disappears & reappears behind kid Clare.
    —-
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/03-013.0/compressed/Claymore_v03_115.jpg
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/03-013.0/compressed/Claymore_v03_116.jpg
    —–
    Literally stops Irene’s “Flash Sword” technique.
    —-
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/04-019.0/compressed/Claymore_v04_124.jpg
    c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/04-019.0/compressed/Claymore_v04_125.jpg
    —–
    Teresa possesses extraordinarily acute Yoki-sensing abilities. She can detect minute changes in the Yoki flow in both Yoma and Claymores alike, accurately predicting their every move. This skill allows Teresa to sense the strength, speed and direction of an attack before her enemies can act.
    —–
    With her eyes closed, Teresa plays basketball with Cassandra’s tentacle heads.
    —-
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-150.0/compressed/p017.jpg?v=11398764222
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-150.0/compressed/p018.jpg?v=11398764222
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-150.0/compressed/p019.jpg?v=11398764222
    ——
    She then tosses them right back at Priscilla.
    —–
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-151.0/compressed/jclaymore-4984441.jpg?v=11401625382
    —-

  38. Kuja9001 March 9, 2015 at 9:08 pm -      #38

    Teresa Continued

    Sends Priscilla flying with a causal kick.
    —-
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094371.jpg?v=11407018182
    —-
    Accurately predicts & stabs Priscilla, who was moving soo fast that it appeared that she was invisible.
    —-
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094379.jpg?v=11407018182
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094381.jpg?v=11407018182
    —-
    Tanks Priscilla’s smash & breaks her arm with a causal stomp.
    —-
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094385.jpg?v=11407018182
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094387.jpg?v=11407018182
    —-
    Weaves through Priscilla’s mass AoE attack and decaps her.
    —-
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094393.jpg?v=11407018182
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094395.jpg?v=11407018182
    z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/186/23-153.0/compressed/cclaymore-5094397.jpg?v=11407018182
    —-
    Plows right through Priscilla’s monstrous body and deflects some tentacles.
    —-
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/092-93.png
    img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/67/2528/094.png

  39. Friendlysociopath March 9, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #39

    Ah, I see now, (still playing with respect threads) Mifune is supposed to be fast (I keep reading Hypersonic) because:
    A) He keeps up with and manages to own Black Star in nearly every fight
    B) He blocks a sniper round from close range
    C) He leaps away from an explosion after it’s triggered

    And thanks to Black Star powerscaling, he should be… city block leveling in strength? Could someone who read the manga confirm Black Star is that strong to scale Mifune to? The anime ludicrously undersells the characters it would seem.

  40. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 9:59 pm -      #40

    So how much damage can jack do with a swing? Satsuki is on par with shonen jump top tier swordsmen. I doubt jack can even so much as give her a paper cut.

    8:30-9:32
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay05HJMr6K4
    Satsuki is the girl in white.

    And here at 1:20-2:00.

  41. Nsl98 March 9, 2015 at 10:14 pm -      #41

    @Pimp
    Jack is strong enough to carry around a huge boulder on his back and jump several stories into the air, would that translate into striking strength?

  42. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 10:28 pm -      #42

    “Jack is strong enough to carry around a huge boulder on his back and jump several stories into the air, would that translate into striking strength?”
    Thats definately a few dozen times human level, but satsuki causes stone to compact behind her kicks just by air pressure alone. She is a whole different level of strong here.
    imgur.com/nsOPSRf

    If you guys would just watch the videos I time stamped… you would know without a doubt that jack is severely outclassed.

  43. pimpmage March 9, 2015 at 10:39 pm -      #43

    Heck, people from claymore should be able to at LEAST stalemate jack. Check 5:25-5:59.

  44. Kuja9001 March 9, 2015 at 11:14 pm -      #44

    Most people from Claymore destroy Jack

  45. FlameStrike March 10, 2015 at 1:27 am -      #45

    Jack has some very impressive feats, but he’s also pretty inconsistent. How do we deal with that inconsistency between high and low feats?

    Take that water drop scene for example, it was a super high end feat for Jack showing great speed and reaction ability far beyond what he normally displays. However there are times where Jack has been hit by things like falling boulders and beaten up by a slow Ice Giant Monster. He’s displayed that amazing speed one time, but also has a ton of instances where he’s displayed much poorer speed etc. How do we deal with this disconnect?

    I don’t know if we can just take that one high end feat and use it as a baseline for Jack. What if we took a low end feat and argued the same way?

    Jack seems to be on target speed wise, but I don’t think he has enough power to defeat the likes of Teresa or Kiryuin. Awakened Teresa could probably just regenerate any blows from Jack. Also I don’t know the exact speed calcs but she should be on par with him.

    Actually I have a question about Teresa’s incarnation. Do we use the Claire Awakened into Teresa who then Awakens again ultimate form for Teresa? Or right before she dies form. The former is technically the most recent incarnation, but I’m not sure since there are some weird circumstances.

  46. Ragnorke March 10, 2015 at 3:33 am -      #46

    @Pimp
    “I was thinking it is an eastern film technique. Kind of like how old western movies show tumble weeds passing through. Not the point of the scene, but it gives the scene some peacefulness imo.”

    It has literally no relation to the tumble weed trope whatsoever. Not even in the slightest.
    The scene began with the rain drop starting to fall, and the scene ended with the rain drop reaching the ground.
    It’s pretty straight forward.

    “And one again, all those fight scenes of Jack killing the hunters takes several times longer than the time it takes for a drop to fall.”

    ….Trolling or being Serious? Honestly not sure.

    Incase you were being serious,
    What do you mean it takes several times “longer”? it clearly takes the exact same amount of time.
    Unless you mean to say the shot of the rain drop falling scene happened, then the fight happened, and then the show randomly went back in time to show the rain drop reaching the ground.
    Which is flat out stupid.

    @FlameStrike
    “Jack has some very impressive feats, but he’s also pretty inconsistent. How do we deal with that inconsistency between high and low feats?”

    Tbh i think he’s more consistent than most characters on BankGambling.
    Dodging/Deflecting automatic gunfire happens much more than just once.

    “Take that water drop scene for example, it was a super high end feat for Jack showing great speed and reaction ability far beyond what he normally displays.”

    Actually i think it’s perfectly on par with his gunfire feats.

    “However there are times where Jack has been hit by things like falling boulders and beaten up by a slow Ice Giant Monster. He’s displayed that amazing speed one time, but also has a ton of instances where he’s displayed much poorer speed etc. How do we deal with this disconnect?”

    And Superman has been hit by things barely Sonic speeds. But what does that have to do with the proof of Supermans speed that we already have?
    Getting hit by something, or losing to something, can easily be PiS.
    But moving at a certain speed is moving at a certain speed.

  47. pimpmage March 10, 2015 at 4:00 am -      #47

    “….Trolling or being Serious? Honestly not sure.”

    Ere we go again. You are the only person in this thread that doesn’t know what I meant. So either you re read past posts or drop it. I will not hold your hand and help you read those words.

  48. Ragnorke March 10, 2015 at 5:07 am -      #48

    “Ere we go again. You are the only person in this thread that doesn’t know what I meant. ”

    Indeed i don’t have the slightest idea what you mean.

    We see the drop starting to fall.
    We then see the fight.
    We then see the drop reach the ground.

    Why is there any debate on the matter?

    Because the fight scene was several seconds long rather than 0.5 seconds?
    Well no fucking shit. Because they wanted the viewers to SEE the fight scene.
    Did you not notice the timeframes changing several times throughout that fight? Slowing down & speeding up?
    That was the purpose of that entire scene. To show how fast he is.

    “I will not hold your hand and help you read those words.”

    I don’t need help reading what you wrote. In fact i don’t need help with anything.
    YOU need to make a valid argument if you want it to hold, and the first step to doing that would be to better explain yourself.

  49. pimpmage March 10, 2015 at 5:20 am -      #49

    “Well no fucking shit. Because they wanted the viewers to SEE the fight scene.”

    Actually, you can see things happen in that .5 seconds like a bomb going off. In real time. That contradicts the drop feat to begin with. But this doesn’t matter anymore. As the matter was already dropped earlier today. Two other swordsmen already outclass jack several times over. He is not even worth debating. Satsuki takes a steaming shit on jack’s face. It’s almost comical.

    “I don’t need help reading what you wrote. In fact i don’t need help with anything.
    YOU need to make a valid argument if you want it to hold, and the first step to doing that would be to better explain yourself.”

    Yes, you do need help reading. Because your first post, you asked me what I was saying. Then the second post, you somehow magically now know what everyone has already discussed after being told to go back and fucking read these words. Congratulations.

    “YOU need to make a valid argument if you want it to hold, and the first step to doing that would be to better explain yourself.”

    Post# 21.
    “All those clips stitched together take several seconds to happen. Longer than it would take for a drop of water to hit the floor. Who even says it’s the same drop?”

    This was already stated three times over. Need I use small kid words to help translate this to a fucking baby such as yourself?

  50. Ragnorke March 10, 2015 at 5:33 am -      #50

    @Pimpmage
    “Actually, you can see things happen in that .5 seconds like a bomb going off. In real time. That contradicts the drop feat to begin with.”

    Had the entire fight taken 0.5 seconds (real time) to complete, we would not have seen a single movement in said fight. Thus the viewers wouldn’t have SEEN the fight.
    The fight was “slowed down” for it be visible. And thus the Water Drop was shown to prove it was slowed down.
    There’s no “contradictions” here.

    ” As the matter was already dropped earlier today. Two other swordsmen already outclass jack several times over. He is not even worth debating.”

    If a character is included in a match, he is worth debating.
    Whether you want to continue debating him or not is irrelevant to me.

    ““All those clips stitched together take several seconds to happen. Longer than it would take for a drop of water to hit the floor. Who even says it’s the same drop?
    This was already stated three times over. Need I use small kid words to help translate this to a fucking baby such as yourself?”

    Stating something three times doesn’t make it any more correct. It’s still a silly argument.
    Forexample:
    Pimpmage is using an invalid argument.
    Pimpmage is using an invalid argument.
    Pimpmage is using an invalid argument.

    It’s the same drop because that’s what Authors Intent would lead us to believe.
    Do you have any proof that it’s not the same drop…?
    We see it beginning to drop, we then see a fight where the frame-speed was being drastically altered throughout, and we then go back to the drop hitting the ground.
    Authors Intent is clear, and Occams Razor is clear. To say it isn’t the same drop means you’re ASSUMING it isn’t the same drop (without any cause or reason for basing that assumption on), which is one assumption more than what is necessary.

  51. Friendlysociopath March 10, 2015 at 6:59 am -      #51

    Actually I have a question about Teresa’s incarnation.

    The rule is most recent incarnation prior to incapacitation; so whichever version is the latest canonically that is combat capable.

  52. pimpmage March 10, 2015 at 4:07 pm -      #52

    ” To say it isn’t the same drop means you’re ASSUMING it isn’t the same drop (without any cause or reason for basing that assumption on), which is one assumption more than what is necessary.”

    HA, you actually have it backwards. Assuming everything happened in one drop where everything could have more easily happened in many drops. Hence the actual time take for the fight being greater than the time for one drop. Do you even Occams Razor?

  53. Amm0vamp1r3 March 10, 2015 at 4:46 pm -      #53

    “Assuming everything happened in one drop where everything could have more easily happened in many drops”

    Actually I think Rag is in the right here, the whole scene points towards one drop

    26 seconds in they show you the drop is about to fall

    after that the fight scene happens

    then at 57 seconds we see the drop hit the deck.

    The whole scene from the beginning shows you the speed of the drops but they purposely show you that the last drop is about to fall in a ” and the clock starts now” type of thing, that’s why they zoomed in. We see the drop get right to the edge of the icicle then boom the fight breaks out they attack get trashed, then after that they show the drop hit the deck

    No where at all does he show or even hint at it being a different drop

    and also those little slow down scenes are showing you how fast jack sees in that particular moment.

  54. Ragnorke March 10, 2015 at 4:56 pm -      #54

    “HA, you actually have it backwards. Assuming everything happened in one drop where everything could have more easily happened in many drops”

    But we see one drop. Not many.
    We have proof of one drop. Not many.
    Saying it was one drop takes 0 assumptions by the most literal definition of the word, since it’s the only one we see.
    Saying it was more takes an assumption.

    “Hence the actual time take for the fight being greater than the time for one drop”

    You mean the fight with blatantly altered time frame speeds?

    ” Do you even Occams Razor?”

    Why yes, i do, and i’m correct on the matter.
    You on the other hand have some reading to do on definitions of certain words.

  55. pimpmage March 10, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #55

    “But we see one drop. Not many.”

    You do see many drops leading up to the fight. And you see drops continuing to drop after the fight. Easypeasy.

    “Saying it was one drop takes 0 assumptions by the most literal definition of the word, since it’s the only one we see.”

    No, saying it was one drop is THE assumption. The fight happening in multiple drops lines up with the actual fight time with one less assumption of the fight happening in a single drop.

    “You mean the fight with blatantly altered time frame speeds?”

    Because he was so fast in multiple drops. That explosion mid fight is a great tell for timing. Everything happening after that explosion should take multiple seconds.

  56. Friendlysociopath March 10, 2015 at 5:15 pm -      #56

    So… would someone like to explain how exchanging a bunch of sword blows in a second supposedly equals and/or exceeds Jack having a full-blown fight in a second? Wouldn’t Jack be considered not just a little- but a lot faster?

    @Pimpmage
    Except for you being wrong, you’re totally right bro.

  57. Amm0vamp1r3 March 10, 2015 at 5:26 pm -      #57

    Idk, jack like most other warriors in fiction tend to have high ends and low ends. This one may just be an extreme high end

    like this is another one that shows jacks speed, not on par with the water drop but definitely not a low end. 55 seconds in

  58. MrRyder March 10, 2015 at 8:34 pm -      #58

    Jack, Satsuki, and Teresa seem to be the ones with significant power here

  59. sadot06 March 11, 2015 at 7:02 am -      #59

    That is absolutely a speed feat for Jack. Don’t know why that discussion dragged on for so long.

  60. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 7:34 am -      #60

    “That is absolutely a speed feat for Jack. Don’t know why that discussion dragged on for so long.”

    Well, being thorough is what separates BankGambling from say Comicvine.
    So it’s never a bad thing to further discuss feats i guess.

  61. sadot06 March 11, 2015 at 11:42 am -      #61

    “Well, being thorough is what separates BankGambling from say Comicvine.
    So it’s never a bad thing to further discuss feats i guess.”

    As much as comicvine debate tends to blow, a bit of moderation is always appreciated when it comes to fruitless arguments. It’s not like this was Jack’s first time on the site. The feat had already been discussed and dissected. Not that it matters that much since I don’t think Jack is as fast as Mifune.

  62. FlameStrike March 12, 2015 at 12:33 am -      #62

    Hmm I made a post about Teresa’s 100% Quicksword yesterday, but it hasn’t shown up. I don’t know if it was lost or pending but I’ll mention it again just to be sure.

    Anyway Teresa could probably instantly kill all of team 1 with her 100% Quicksword. It’s so fast and powerful she was able to DISINTEGRATE 5 full powered Priscilla copies that had her surrounded INSTANTLY. It takes an INSANE amount of speed to swing a sword so many times that your enemy gets CHOPPED INTO DUST, and to do that for 5 opponents at once well, lets say it makes blocking machine gun fire look like a joke. She did it so quickly that some of the onlooking characters didn’t even notice her doing anything until Priscilla fell into dust particles.

    Also note that she’s killing Priscilla, the absolute big bad of Claymore who no other character can even compare with in speed, power, durability, and regenerative ability.

  63. Numinous One March 12, 2015 at 4:29 am -      #63

    Gonna have to side with Teresa.
    Claymore’s speed feats when calced are just… fuck.
    With Teresa being top of the toppiest tier.

    Galatea has a low-end yoki sensory range of 1055km, Riful as an Awakened One was able to out distance that pretty much instantly. If I remember when that was calced, they used a time frame of one second and ended up with mach 3000 movement speed for Riful.
    Quite frankly, Priscilla shits on her in every regard.
    Teresa practically blitzed and fodderized Priscilla at the end.

    But wait, you say, that’s only movement speed!

    www.mangareader.net/485-29350-24/claymore/chapter-39.html

    By my eye that’s around 40 slashes in the water, and the general agreed minimum. Due to cohesion in water, it reacts to being parted in approximately 0.0167seconds.
    40 slashes before the water can react.
    That’s one slash every 0.0004175th of a second.
    I’ll admit I’ve never been good at converting those sort of things to m/s, but the lowest speed I’ve seen calced for that was mach 30k, 40k being the most common.

    That was Clare doing the Quicksword technique at half the speed Irene can do it.
    Teresa has shown to deflect Irene’s Quicksword with almost contemptous ease. That was Teresa at 5% awakening, most recent battle ready incarnation is 100% awakened.

    Then you have all the other instances of speed feats.
    Orphelia(?) vibrating her blade so fast it looks like a wavelength and is impossible to block, then there’s Rafaela(again?) Some of these names I just can’t get right) moving so quickly she phases through people.
    Priscilla and Riful crossing around half the island before a small dust cloud could settle.

    The best part of all this, is it’s all physical, no lolmagic.
    IIRC, the Yoma are man-made parasites, Claymores are creating by infusing women with Yoma cells.

    I think it may have already been posted, but Teresa was able to kill Priscilla instantly.
    Priscilla has regenerated from practically dust particles or particles half a micrometre in size. That’s at least complete cellular regeneration.

    Teresa killed her dead so thoroughly and so quickly, she couldn’t regenerate.

    Tl;DR.
    Claymore speed is bonkers when you actually look at it.
    +1 for Teresa.

  64. Sauroposeidon March 12, 2015 at 12:06 pm -      #64

    That still doesn’t seem to compare with the water drop scene.. which is backed up by Jack’s fight with the Scotsman, where swords are moving so fast that we can’t even see them. It’s just a constant shine of light from their swords colliding.

    That fight went on for.. what? A day? Two? Before they ran out of steam. Which suggests speeds like that are casual for Jack, since he relies on skill, not strength, generally. Especially since there’s so little his sword can not cut.

  65. FlameStrike March 12, 2015 at 2:54 pm -      #65

    Keep in mind that the calc Numinous mentioned was for Clare. Teresa’s 100% Quicksword is several orders of magnitude faster than Clare’s. Think about it, she literally chopped 5 monsters into dust particles at the same time, and so fast that Claymore with much higher dynamic vision than humans couldn’t see it. Samurai Jack’s water drop feat doesn’t seem to compare. I’ll try to dig up some manga pages later. It’s the second to last chapter if I remember correctly.

  66. Kuja9001 March 12, 2015 at 3:03 pm -      #66

    That was Clare doing the Quicksword technique at half the speed Irene can do it.
    Teresa has shown to deflect Irene’s Quicksword with almost contemptuous ease. That was Teresa at 5% awakening, most recent battle ready incarnation is 100% awakened.

    —–
    Actually during the battle with Irene, Teresa didn’t use any power. She used 10%(enough to change her eyes) on a 70-80% Priscilla.
    —-
    Then you have all the other instances of speed feats.
    Orphelia(?) vibrating her blade so fast it looks like a wavelength and is impossible to block, then there’s Rafaela(again?) Some of these names I just can’t get right) moving so quickly she phases through people.
    Priscilla and Riful crossing around half the island before a small dust cloud could settle.

    —-
    Hysteria is the #1 that moves soo fast that it appears that she just phases right through you.
    —-
    It’s a continent not an island

    i185.photobucket.com/albums/x52/Roxas9001/Claymore%20Continent_zpsekcrpi0y.jpeg

  67. pimpmage March 12, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #67

    Chopping something into dust particles would require billions of cuts. A dust particle from what I have gathered, is a tenth of the thickness of human hair. And this happened to five people.

  68. sadot06 March 12, 2015 at 11:01 pm -      #68

    “That still doesn’t seem to compare with the water drop scene.. which is backed up by Jack’s fight with the Scotsman, where swords are moving so fast that we can’t even see them. It’s just a constant shine of light from their swords colliding.”

    The water drop scene is only a supersonic feat. Compared to the implication that Claymore is massively hypersonic.

  69. Numinous One March 12, 2015 at 11:13 pm -      #69

    “Actually during the battle with Irene, Teresa didn’t use any power. She used 10%(enough to change her eyes) on a 70-80% Priscilla.”

    I suppose mistakes like that happen if you watch the anime after reading the manga.
    Doesn’t change the outcome from what I can see though.

    “Hysteria is the #1 that moves soo fast that it appears that she just phases right through you.
    —-
    It’s a continent not an island”

    That’s the name.
    Didn’t Mira end up getting faster than Hysteria later on too?

    Rather small continent though, it is at most 6000km from end to end.

  70. Batz March 12, 2015 at 11:31 pm -      #70

    So, does anyone think Jack versus Kenshin would be a good match? One of Kenshin’s moves involves striking 9 times fast enough that the hits land simultaneously, and I *think* he can take hits from someone that can shatter steel with his fists.

    Shit, we already have that. NVM

  71. FlameStrike March 12, 2015 at 11:49 pm -      #71

    I think Jack ended up winning. Kenshin is good but he’s still peak human in a batman sense of the word. Jack is just too fast for him.

  72. pimpmage March 18, 2015 at 1:25 pm -      #72

    So I see this ending in a tie between kill la kill and claymore. Kill cannot move fast enough to ever tag clay, and clay can never do enough damage to even scratch the paint on kill’s durability. You see this sometimes in mtg, a 5/6 attacking a 5/6. It’s a weird tie.

  73. LadyRamkin March 23, 2015 at 5:40 am -      #73

    “HA, you actually have it backwards. Assuming everything happened in one drop where everything could have more easily happened in many drops”

    I agree with pimpmage on this statement.

    “The whole scene from the beginning shows you the speed of the drops but they purposely show you that the last drop is about to fall in a ” and the clock starts now” type of thing”

    I agree with Amm0vamp1r3 on this statement

    I’m just Saiyan

    Would have been much more effective if I actually had a Dragon ball name…

  74. FlameStrike March 23, 2015 at 9:02 am -      #74

    I don’t think Jack’s speed is really relevant to the debate at this point. I’ve seen nothing that even comes close to Teresa’s turn 5 boss tier enemies into literally dust faster than the eye can see with several billion cuts via 100% Quicksword.

    With only 3 enemies on team one and none of them surpassing Priscilla in speed, regent, or power… Well Teresa solos. What more can I say.

    Satsuki’s the only one here who can match or surpass Teresa in power and durability and they’re on the same team! I don’t even have to look at the Seikirei girl to know that team two massively stomps.

  75. Abominatus674 April 30, 2015 at 8:20 pm -      #75

    From what I’ve seen Teresa stomps beyond all reason in speed and severely outclasses everyone in durability as well. Sensory abilities is questionable, as it’s uncertain whether her supernatural senses would work on non-Youkai. If she did have it, though, there’d be even more of an imbalance since she had what was essentially combat precog by tracking the movement of energy within opponents’ bodies.

    Without her in the equation, Jack’s speed gives him a significant edge over pretty much everyone else. Satsuki and Karasuba would probably have higher destructive power but would be speedblitzed by Jack. That is, of course, if we are taking what appears to be an outlier (water drop feat) in speed capabilities as his peak potential in this battle.

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