Thor Vs Percy Jackson

Thor Vs Percy Jackson

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Thor (Marvel Comics) goes up against Percy Jackson from The Percy Jackson universe.

Thor is in his MCU incarnation.

Some evil forces forced Odinson to fight against other demigod. Why? Who knows…

They start the fight in Central Park, NYC.

Who will win?

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242 Comments on "Thor Vs Percy Jackson"

  1. Commander Cross March 14, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #201

    @Epicazeroth at #199

    It’s more like unless Percy goes Bloodlusted or under Despair or ANYTHING ELSE that shows high concentrations of Sanity Slippage, Percy’s not gonna go that far as to try Warping blood or stuff like that unless specified otherwise.
    I knew a Percy who snaps is Horrific, I failed to realize just by how much this truly applied until recently. :(
    I don’t even know if it’s okay to fear for his life or be very afraid of him 24/7 anymore.

    —-

    @Everyone else

    Also in regards to fighting Primordials and bringing them on the closest they’d ever get to Death’s Door possible, I’d like to name the following fellow who had to fight Primordials too, Percy’s not the only one who’ve done that kind of thing despite the fact he couldn’t kill the Primordials he fought outright, for obvious reasons.

    (The Original!-) Kite of the Dot Hack(.Hack) universe anyone?

    It’s not in the following vid (Original!-) Kite had to fight Primordials directly since that’s in later vids, but Kite had to fight Gods too, only ‘visible’ difference is that Said Gods are Artificial Gods rather than ‘Natural’ Gods in fact.

    Granted, Kite had to get Permission granted from a Goddess to use More Magic than what his World would often allow, some of which are outlawed in origins but the bottom line is because Consent’s granted, he can rally forces to go Fight Gods with.
    Point is, later on Kite had to fight against the Mother of the Gods in question, the only ‘known’ Primordial his World’s ever known.

    If you wanna just skip to the God-fighting in General, go look at (2:11) onward.

  2. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 12:32 am -      #202

    So, how would Percy fare against a Force User, then?

    —-
    And blitz or die sounds like a pretty good estimate.

  3. Commander Cross March 14, 2015 at 12:46 am -      #203

    @Nsl98 at #202

    Depends on Which sort of Force-User we’re talking about or if we’re talking about Anyone With Names on them.

    I already agreed with ComicVine’s results on that Post-Endor Pre-NJO Luke from the Old E.U, if we go with latest Incarnations is too much for even Percy in 1-vs-1, Starkiller and Jaden Korr are debatable and depend royally on Incarnations and stuff, plus locations too, and Kyle Katarn is particularly survivable.
    Keep in mind I’m just tracking out Modern Star Wars Force-Users alone so far, since Ancient Star Wars is not only More Badass(in Numbers), but also a lot more varied.
    Revan at 100% Maximum Power and all that jazz is too much as well.

    Even I have the Gut Hunch that the Athena or Ares Cabins have a fighting chance mainly if we talk on a Weapon-to-Weapon basis with Some Passive Powers allowed, but again it depends on the exact tiers and levels of Force-Users we’re talking about, and even on a given era, Dark Jedi in particular aren’t Fighting Slouches either. (Even then they’re better off fighting against Sith Troopers but I digress.)

    With or without Styx Enhancements, depending on the given level of Force-Users we’re talking about, Percy may indeed be above most people on either Cabin beyond Weapon-wise regards, but if there’s one thing the Styx Enhancements may have a weakness to, it’s the ideas of Force-Users having a Profession in Shatterpoint in fact.

    Shatterpoint + Weaknesses to spot = RIP Percy, unless of course Percy gets Nemean Lion Armor but even that’s not a guarantee.

    —-

    I already agreed that Rand al’Thor is too much for Percy to fight if we ever talk about Channelers from The Wheel of Time at 1-vs-1, with or without Balefire, other Channelers without Balefire to worry about is tricky though.

    —-

    I listed up (Original!-) Kite or Haseo for Percy to fight sometimes to represent the Dot Hack universe, I know they’re not the only ones to nominate either, Tokio’s gonna have to rely on his Combat Speed and Reactions to keep him afloat most likely.

    —-

    What about a given Champion or Combat Veteran from any of the Tales Games by chance?
    Granted, Flynn Scifo makes more sense to pit against Jason of New Rome as opposed to Percy, but what about Yuri Lowell?
    Or maybe a Tag Team Battle with Percy and Jason vs Yuri Lowell and Flynn Scifo(Tales of Vesperia) in fact, provided it’s cleared up whether or not the Multi-Vitamins are allowed?

    —-

    I never thought I have to say this so soon, but if Percy himself has to wind up in more fights, there’s some fights with More Castlevania: Lords of Shadow bosses from 1 + 2 to nominate, Post!-LoS 1 Gabriel Belmont is very obvious, and he’s far from the only one either.

    I digress though, Frank Zhang could use some interesting fight ideas at the moment, so why not hazard Frank Zhang or Clarisse La Rue vs either Chief Man(Master Chief) or Agent Texas from Red vs Blue?

  4. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 12:55 am -      #204

    Yeah, Shatterpoint would screw Styx Percy over.
    —-
    I was thinking of one of the more slower or less hax Force Users, like Vader or Kenobi.

  5. Commander Cross March 14, 2015 at 1:09 am -      #205

    @Nsl98 at #204

    Well, just in case, keep in mind that even in ‘Most Equal Incarnations Possible’ for both sides, you also have to factor in Locations as well, because depending on where the fighting takes place, well it also affects the Incarnations for either particular Force-user in question.
    Also if we include the stuff from The Clone Wars Mini-series into account, Kit Fisto has never been a wuss either.

    As noted before even with that aside, I’m more inclined on Ancient Star Wars Nominees as opposed to their Modern Star Wars Colleagues a lot of times.
    Yet I can’t help but wonder if for some of the fighters to consider whether or not Frank Zhang should get his own fights from either Halo or Star Wars, why give him the Multi-Vitamins and I May fathom that kind of idea depending on his opponents.

    In any case, Percy vs a Force-user, well you also have to factor in whether or not the Multi-Vitamins can combat the Direct Offensive Force Powers, where as far as Offensive Force Powers are concerned if that’s the case, Percy still must dread the indirect attacks a Force-User could bring.

    Also the last I checked with Vader or Kenobi, neither one is particularly lacking in Swordsmanship or CQC, and funny enough when I think Quintus I have to admit that Quintus kind of reminds me of Clone Wars era!-Obi-Wan in hindsight by some ways.
    Hmm?

    Also against Vader, it depends on if we’re talking Pre-Cyborg-ified Anakin(who has his Badass moments sometimes but has almost no Discipline) or Post-Mustafar Vader as well, in which case the Multi-Vitamins + Whether or not Percy’s Psyche snaps will be more integral than ever to factor in, to say nothing on locations being a Major Factor that matters.

    I’m sure if we go with Ancient Star Wars that Atton Rand or Bao-Dur also have their own pluses and negatives to them for nominating, but then Percy might have to be tagged with Frank Zhang and whether or not the Multi-Vitamins are in play will also be noted, and if we go with Atton and Bao-Dur as Force-Users especially, Percy and Frank will have to go all-out and stuff as well.

    —-

    In the meantime, until Age of Ultron happens, this fight’s likely gonna be in a Coma for now.

  6. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 1:21 am -      #206

    “Yeah, a possible explanation that we have no way of confirming.”

    A possible explanation which still hasn’t been disproved is still better than no explanation at all.

    “… Um no one said that her tears specifically were mucus. but tears in general contain water, mucin, lipids, lysozyme, lactoferrin, lipocalin, lacritin, immunoglobulins, glucose, urea, sodium, and potassium.”

    I’v mentioned about 4 times that tears are 98% water, and i’m pretty sure you’ve read it too, since you quoted the same sentences.
    Do you purposely make yourself forget any relevant points to the argument i’m trying to make?

    98.3% (tears) >>>> 92.
    97.2%-97.8% (sea water) >>>> 92.
    97%-99.05% (fresh water) >>>> 92.
    See the common ground?

    “I was sitting in the camp of “Well he never did it so I’m not going to say he can”.”

    The problem with this is back to the Super Strength example that i gave. UNLESS there’s a theorized reason for why not.

    If a dude with Super Strength has lifted bridges, buildings, and planets… Should we assume he can’t lift a car just because he hasn’t been shown to?
    Genuine question, and i’d like to hear all of your answers.

    Now, the only reason we would accept that he can’t lift a car, is if there’s some genuine reason that we can conclude from his showings.
    In Percys case, there does seem to be a viable reason, which is why i’m insisting on pursuing it until someone can prove otherwise.

    “how impure is poison as he also uses that to choke akhyms or whatever her name is.”

    Ah, good point.
    Can you post it?

  7. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 1:42 am -      #207

    @Rag

    Don’t have the quotes on me, but it’s something about how Percy uses the poisonous fumes in the air to make her cry more.

  8. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 1:49 am -      #208

    Got it:
    —-
    . [Percy] glared at the poison flood encroaching from all sides. He concentrated so hard that something inside him cracked–as if a crystal ball had shattered in his stomach.
    Warmth flowed through him. The poison tide stopped.

    -House of Hades p. 362

    —-
    He goes on to send the wave towards Ahklys and then he starts choking her with her tears.

    I think it’s worth mentioning that at that point, it’s says Percy had to concentrate really hard to do that, which implies that yes, the farther away from “pure” water, the more he must concentrate.

    —-
    And if the strength dude has lifted planets and buildings, why couldn’t he lift a car? He should be able to.

  9. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 1:55 am -      #209

    “And if the strength dude has lifted planets and buildings, why couldn’t he lift a car? He should be able to.”

    Ramkin was insisting that the impuritys had nothing to do with it. And that the water is still water, since blood is just a mixture and not a compound that’s been changed on a molecular level.
    And his reason for why Percy couldn’t manipulate it was… well… nonexistent.

    The problem with that though, is we then have 0 reason for thinking Percy can’t manipulate it.
    And that brings me to the car example.
    If we have 0 reason for thinking he can’t do it, and he has been shown to do significantly more, then he can do it in a debate whether he’s done that exact thing before or not.

    The only explanation i can see, is that he struggles more with impurities, to the point where he simply can’t control it anymore.

  10. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 1:58 am -      #210

    So, blood is a no-no for Percy?
    —-
    The poison feat is still good. It shows he can go pretty far until it’s too “impure” for him.

  11. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 2:08 am -      #211

    “The poison feat is still good. It shows he can go pretty far until it’s too “impure” for him.”

    Any mention on what kind of poison it was?

  12. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 2:15 am -      #212

    No, just that it was regular, run of the mill Underworld poison.

    Percy is the one in the book that makes the connection between water in lakes and the water in poison.

    He then tries to control the poison, based on its connection to water, and it’s successful.

  13. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 6:05 am -      #213

    “Do you purposely make yourself forget any relevant points to the argument i’m trying to make?”

    Not on purpose, but i did a psyco evaluationy thingy recently and i have below average long and short term memory.

    I have literally no recollection of you saying anything about the purity of tears. Could you please post where you found that because i looked for like, 2 hours and found nothing.

  14. Friendlysociopath March 14, 2015 at 6:34 am -      #214

    No, just that it was regular, run of the mill Underworld poison.

    This made me laugh.

    If a dude with Super Strength has lifted bridges, buildings, and planets… Should we assume he can’t lift a car just because he hasn’t been shown to?

    No, he should be able to lift the car; it’s the same feat but in a lesser measure.

  15. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 6:53 am -      #215

    So, if we do go with this purity thing, can Thor stop Percy controlling any water by just throwing a ton of dirt at it?

    On a side note, Link can create moons and drop them in Percy’s water. No more water control for Percy.

  16. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 7:03 am -      #216

    “I have literally no recollection of you saying anything about the purity of tears.”

    186, 190, 193

    ” Could you please post where you found that because i looked for like, 2 hours and found nothing.”

    It’s on the wiki page for “tear” i believe.

    “can Thor stop Percy controlling any water by just throwing a ton of dirt at it?”

    I’m not too sure how sound the purity theory is after i was told about the poison manipulation to be honest.

    I’m certain it affects how difficult it is for him to control, but hasn’t he already controlled mud before…? Maybe

  17. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 7:10 am -      #217

    Literally no percentages are on the wiki page for tears.

    I don’t see why we cant just say “we don’t know”.
    We all seem to agree that he can’t control blood, but if you try to just assert an unprovable reason as to why then all you do is make complications, such as people nullifying his powers though means that have never been stated to work.

    We don’t know why he cant control blood, why does there have to be more than that?

  18. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 8:16 am -      #218

    “We all seem to agree that he can’t control blood,”

    That’s the thing though, if there’s no reasonable reason for it then i do not agree.
    It’s back to the car example. If there’s no reasonable reason for why a superstrengthed fellow shouldn’t be able to lift the car, then he can lift it, whether he has or hasn’t.

    “but if you try to just assert an unprovable reason as to why then all you do is make complications,”

    The reason doesn’t have to be provable, it just has to not be contradicted by previous showings, and have a basis for which it’s being built on.

    “We don’t know why he cant control blood, why does there have to be more than that?”

    In which case, i’ll continue saying that he CAN control blood.
    I don’t need to prove whether he can control it, because all logic & reason already says he can.
    It needs to be proven that he cannot. Which is why i’m trying to think of reasons for why he cannot, such as the impurity theory which i was debating with you.

    If no logical, obvious, reasonable or proven reason exists, then i’m going to go back to saying he can control it.

  19. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 8:21 am -      #219

    “Literally no percentages are on the wiki page for tears.”

    The wiki didn’t have any,
    But it literally took me 3 seconds of searching on google:

    medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/tears
    ” Tears contain water (98.2%), salts, lipids (e.g. wax esters, sterol esters, hydrocarbons, polar lipids, triglycerides and free fatty acids), proteins (e.g. lysozyme, lactoferrin, albumin, IgA, IgE, IgG, complement proteins C3, C4, C5 and C9, and beta-lysin), magnesium, potassium, sodium, calcium, chloride, bicarbonate, urea, ammonia, nitrogen, citric acid, ascorbic acid, and mucin. ”

    science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/emotions/crying1.htm
    “Reflex tears are generally found to be about 98 percent water,”

  20. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 9:06 am -      #220

    “But it literally took me 3 seconds of searching on google:”

    I hate it when people do that, i spend hours looking for something and then someone else finds it in 2 seconds. why do search engines hate me so much?

    “which i was debating with you.”

    Oh, you shouldn’t debate with me, all empirical evidence points to me being completely useless.

  21. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 9:15 am -      #221

    “If no logical, obvious, reasonable or proven reason exists, then i’m going to go back to saying he can control it.”

    Percy is the son of a sea god, while he has controlled other liquids he should primarily only be able to control salt water (Not just the water molecules, but salt water as a specific substance). Then we give him the ability to be able to control other things as we get examples of him being able to do them. We don’t just assume he can control everything until proven otherwise, that is attempting to prove a negative. Do we have any reason to believe that Percy can’t control sand? Sand is on shores and at the bottom of oceans, do we have anything to say he cant do that? He can cause earthquakes so he has some control over earth, and he can control liquids, is there any reason he cant control lava or magma? Sea beds are formed by underwater volcano’s so they are kind of oceany.

  22. Ragnorke March 14, 2015 at 9:32 am -      #222

    “Percy is the son of a sea god, while he has controlled other liquids he should primarily only be able to control salt water (Not just the water molecules, but salt water as a specific substance). ”

    It doesn’t matter what you think he should be limited to, the fact of the matter is he has controlled plenty of things with water. Salt or not.
    He has even controlled things like poison, which are only partially water.

    “Then we give him the ability to be able to control other things as we get examples of him being able to do them. We don’t just assume he can control everything”

    But WHAT is his power? Controlling water. That’s his power.
    What you just said in the paragraph above, that could be applied to the Super Strength character too. You would basically be saying that he shouldn’t be able to lift the car.
    Catch my drift?
    We aren’t assuming Percy can control everything. We’re assuming he can control something that he has shown to already have excellent control over.
    He may not have proof or any showings of him controlling it in that EXACT scenario, but there’s 0 difference in that scenario and any other.
    Saying “it’s the human body though!” doesn’t make it any different from a logical standpoint.

    “Do we have any reason to believe that Percy can’t control sand?”

    Caus sand is totally made of 92% water.
    Stay on topic please.

    “Sand is on shores and at the bottom of oceans, do we have anything to say he cant do that? ”

    His power has never been suggesting at being able to control sand. It HAS however been suggested at being able to control water, and things with high water values.
    I really hope you take a step back and look at what you’re saying from an objective standpoint. It’s completely irrelevant.

    ” and he can control liquids”

    Liquids with high water value. Stay on track.

    ” is there any reason he cant control lava or magma?”

    You mean aside from the fact that they’re melted rocks…?

    “He can cause earthquakes so he has some control over earth,”

    The extent of which is unknown.
    Are you trying to compare his Earth Manipulation to his Water Manipulation?
    Because we know infinity more about the latter, and we know he can manipulate things which aren’t pure water, simply because of the water inside them. So why not blood?

  23. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 9:40 am -      #223

    For the record, I never said I agreed that PJ couldn’t control blood, I just stopped bringing it up.
    —–
    I still think he can…

  24. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 10:03 am -      #224

    “Saying “it’s the human body though!” doesn’t make it any different from a logical standpoint.”

    He is a Demigod that is unable to use technology because (The writer didnt want to have to bother writing about technology that would be out of date by the time the next book came around) it somehow magically broadcasts his location to monsters. He can survive hits and pressures that should totally crush him and gets up a little winded. In this kind of scenario, one where magic just kind of does what it likes where it likes with no real rhyme or reason looking for a logical solution is admirable but not really practical.

    90% of series that have some kind of magic in, do make being a human some kind of special thing, they put lots of emphasis on the importance of blood and give it strange qualities.

    “Liquids with high water value”

    We don’t actually know the composition of that poison. Could have been mercury for all we know.

    Iirc Percy also controlled the fire river in tartarus which is.. ya’know… fire.

    He also couldn’t control the river styx or the weird black water that the evil nymphs drowned Jason in until whats her face did the thing to it.. So its not all water everywhere.

    Unrelated, if Percy cant get wet how does he clean himself?

  25. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 10:10 am -      #225

    Percy has to enlist the aid of the water deitys/nymphs of an area before he can use that water i think, like when he cleaned out the man eating horses stables with the shelll because the nymph wouldnt help him. and when he gave the ….. freshness pill things to the…. water…. people….. uhhh defending olympus….. uhhh….. thing

  26. Commander Cross March 14, 2015 at 10:25 am -      #226

    I already settled for not asking about it unless what I noted in Post #201 of this thread gets factored, because when you think about it, what’s noted isn’t meant for Stable minds to contemplate, imaginative or not.

    Plus I already noted this sort of thing to ask about is best-saved if Percy has to fight Infernal Spawn of the Grand Princes of Hell, or at least the ones that are not the ‘Broly’ figures among them or above,* otherwise in general let’s not bring it up so much.

    Percy will need every marble he can scavenge nowadays because we don’t want him to wind up going all Nation-Planet-wide+* Life-wiper on us Potentially.

    When Percy can handle 3 of my usernamesake’s cousins mono-a-mono before, he’s likely more-than-ready to fight all 3 of them at once and still have reasonable odds of winning these days. O.O’
    Well that bit is new, just hope he don’t lose his marbles.

    My gut hunch says if Percy has to take part personally in any more fights, best to have him relegated to Swordfighters’ matches until further notice, the most being allowed is Passive Powers.

    —-
    @LadyRamkin at #224

    They brought up the above-noted part again in The Demigod Diaries courtesy of The Riordan Family, it wasn’t Riordan Senior* who brought up the last entry personally though.
    Let’s just say without detailed spoilers that it’s possible that a Powerful Monster had a hand in it, but the Monster Regeneration part arrived later.

    Granted we’re at Page 02 so by now I shouldn’t be dreading spoilers but clearly my muscle memory’s a jerk right now, so I’ll say nothing too in-depth on the subject personally.

    At #225

    Fair point for recalling all that, there.
    We almost forgot that.

    1.) (I mean in terms of Power-Tiers+ and Levels, not just the presence, never get me started on the things even worse than Broly, just don’t.)
    2.) (Somewhere around that Range, I’m not sure which, and I’m afraid of asking.)
    3.) (That was one of the Riordan Juniors.)

  27. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 10:37 am -      #227

    I feel really bad every time i read your posts because i have literally no idea what you are talking about…

    As far as i can gather:

    Percy should probably be in sword fighter matches for balances sake

    Percy could solo 3 dudes

    Something of relevance was mentioned in demigod diaries but it was written by one of the writers children not the main writer.

  28. Commander Cross March 14, 2015 at 10:45 am -      #228

    @LadyRamkin at #227

    Dumbed down version of above post:

    Don’t get Percy to snap(either Bloodlust or Despair active) unless he’s gonna be fighting some Antichrist candidate, and don’t send him against anyone as strong as Broly, The Legendary Super Saiyan+ or above anyway.
    Just in case, let the above just wait until Percy can fight Spiritual Possession and win first.

    More or less Weapon-to-Weapon as a General basis right there.

    Those 3 ‘dudes’ I noted are more like ‘Dudettes’, but main bottom line sticks out.

    Yes, and main thing about what caused a General Distrust of the Internet was mentioned in The Demigod Diaries and it’s Still pretty much Canon.

    Do you copy that?

  29. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 10:56 am -      #229

    Yes, thank you very much. I apologise profusely for my incompetence.

  30. Commander Cross March 14, 2015 at 11:06 am -      #230

    @LadyRamkin at #229

    To make things easier on you, next time, just request ‘Dumb It Down For Me, Please?’ and I’ll follow through with it in a heart-beat or less, got it?

    Also, when I noted ‘Broly Level+ or above’, I already noted that the likes of Dark Schneider* and some versions of Merlin are better-left for the likes of Jesus Christ* or (Original!-)Tenchi Masaki* to deal with, can’t forget 616 Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange qualifies as well when he don’t get smacked around by the Nerf Mace either.

    Those numbered notes are to leave further digressions out, and make it easier to follow along without dumbing my posts down too much.

    1.) (If I have to personally elaborate all the ways DS is above Broly, something is wrong but only 2-5 words are needed, ‘Dispel Bound or Auto-Shields’ really.)
    2.) (The Lord Junior himself, the Son of God and for common sense’s sake, go with him according to the Gnostic Scholars as either The Aeon Christ or as Second Coming!-Christ, though the latter’s just Overkill’s Avatar.)
    3.) (According to the Earliest Tenchi Muyo Anime universe, and Pre-Kami Form either way even if we go with Post-OVA 3 incarnations, better safe now than sorry later.)

  31. Epicazeroth March 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm -      #231

    @Ramkin: It takes a while before you can understand Cross’ posts. I think a lot of us still can’t sometimes.
    ===
    It could just be that blood is outside of Percy’s jurisdiction. As mentioned above, if he tries to forcibly control the water in something that’s not the sea, he gets very tired or just flat-out can’t do it. Presumably depending on how powerful the local deity is.

    Blood isn’t logically something that would be controlled by a Sea God, as it usually has a connection to war, love, etc. more than to the Sea.

    On the other hand, controlling Underworld rivers and Akhlys’ poison isn’t something he should logically be able to do either. Though I suppose you could argue that the Underworld Rivers are still water – just a different type of water. IIRC, he describes the Styx and the Lethe as water, so it’s possible the other ones are just Magical water.

    As for the poison… I have absolutely no idea. If he never does something like that again in future books, I’m personally just going to say it’s an outlier or special circumstances.

  32. Jake_Uzumaki March 14, 2015 at 3:13 pm -      #232

    Could be the topsy turvy physics of Tartarus, things causing normal rules around Percy’s abilities not to apply or to apply differently?

  33. Epicazeroth March 14, 2015 at 4:42 pm -      #233

    @Jake: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Or just the Underworld in general causing his powers to act differently.

  34. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 4:56 pm -      #234

    But Percy was specifically trying new things in Tarturus…

    But really, unless Percy makes a large cameo in Magnus Chase, it’s all speculation at this point, on whether or not Tarturus was making his powers weird, or he just unlocked more.

  35. Friendlysociopath March 14, 2015 at 7:11 pm -      #235

    Hey, I’m back after a long day of teaching 12 year olds chess.

    Isn’t a running theme in the series that the Demigods are only really limited by their imagination and willpower? Jason can fly, something the other Zeus child practically jawdrops over.

    While Poseidon is the God of the Sea, Riordan has demonstrated Percy has control over much more than salt water; he can also manipulate winds to a lesser extent, ice too.

  36. LadyRamkin March 14, 2015 at 7:24 pm -      #236

    “something the other Zeus child practically jawdrops over.”

    Thalia is afraid of hights and probably never tried

  37. Envoy March 14, 2015 at 7:29 pm -      #237

    “As for the poison… I have absolutely no idea. If he never does something like that again in future books, I’m personally just going to say it’s an outlier or special circumstances.”
    +
    Percy controls poison twice, and in Blood of Olympus he doesn’t and tells us why he just PIS’d so hard. Poison isn’t exactly new, just unnoticed by readers.
    +
    ” “Go on, then, son of Neptune!” Polybotes taunted. “Let me see your power! Does water do your bidding? Does it heal you? But I am born to oppose Neptune.”
    The giant thrust his hand under the water. As the torrent passed through his fingers it turned dark green. He flung some at Percy, who instinctively deflected it with his will. The liquid splattered the ground in front of him. With a nasty hiss, the grass withered and smoked.
    “My touch turns water to poison,” Polybotes said. “Let’s see what it does to your blood!” ”
    -Chapter 50, The Son of Neptune.
    +
    “Percy raised his sword. He hurled himself at the giant, but Polybotes swept his hand through the water, leaving an arc of black oily poison. Percy charged straight into it faster than Jason could yell, Dude, what are you thinking?
    Percy dropped Riptide. He gasped, clawing at his throat. The giant threw his weighted net and Percy collapsed to the floor, hopelessly entangled as the poison thickened around him”
    -Chapter 27, The Blood of Olympus
    +
    ” ‘Better. I … I have to admit, when I was choking on that poison, I kept thinking about Akhlys, the
    misery goddess in Tartarus. I almost destroyed her with poison.’ He shivered. ‘It felt good, but in a bad way. If Annabeth hadn’t stopped me –’
    ‘But she did,’ Jason said. ‘That’s another thing friends have to do for each other.’
    ‘Yeah … Thing is, as I was choking just now, I kept thinking: this is payback for Akhlys. The Fates are letting me die the same way I tried to kill that goddess. And … honestly, a part of me felt I deserved it. That’s why I didn’t try to control the giant’s poison and move it away from me. That probably sounds crazy.’”
    -Chapter 28, The Blood of Olympus.
    =
    I don’t see how Tartarus had any effect on the Heroes other than the obvious.

  38. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 7:40 pm -      #238

    Oh, thanks Envoy.

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    Totally forgot about Polybotes.

  39. Friendlysociopath March 14, 2015 at 9:26 pm -      #239

    Thalia is afraid of hights and probably never tried

    Point being, she didn’t know she could do it; Jayce did it by accident, most of what Percy does is by accident; Leo lights stuff on fire by accident, Piper manages to Persuade-check people into doing anything she wants without really working at it.
    The list goes on and on, demigods have a huge variety of skills that most never have the power/knowledge to use.

    Percy has lived a long(er) time and is the most powerful demigod, of course his powers are going to advance at a fast rate. It’s pretty much a standard line every single time he talks to a God “You don’t know what you’re capable of.”

    Apparently he’s upgraded from seawater to controlling anything with water in it. He’s indicated he doesn’t like doing it and that he’s not as proficient as with seawater, but it’s something he can do when pressed.
    Heck, he can even grab poison that’s supposed to be his direct counter to his power, that’s pretty good.

  40. Aelfinn March 14, 2015 at 9:52 pm -      #240

    I can’t help but be reminded of blood-benders from Avatar the Last Airbender when the notion of Percy manipulating blood comes up. Most of us probably know what Katara is capable of: manipulating fresh water, salt water, clouds, ice, sweat, polluted water, and mud. She can only manipulate blood when the full moon is out, despite other liquids being much more impure. What I’m trying to say is that the manipulation of blood appears to be a special thing for fiction, and there doesn’t really appear to be a rhyme or reason for it besides the creator knowing it’d be OP. It’s not unreasonable to say Percy follows the same set of rules as to why he can’t manipulate blood, but it’s as much conjecture to say he can’t as to say he can.
    =
    I think what’s most likely is that Percy CAN manipulate blood, he just hasn’t thought of doing so yet. If a major theme of the series is “Demigods don’t know squat and are just trying to figure shit out”, this could likely be the case. What this means, though, is that it cannot be proven that Percy would think of manipulating blood during this BankGambling fight (as he didn’t do it in any other fight), and therefore we shouldn’t approach this fight like he can.

  41. Nsl98 March 14, 2015 at 10:16 pm -      #241

    I don’t know, sufficient amounts of evidence point towards blood manipulation may be an actual power of Percy’s.
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    Sufficient amounts of evidence point towards Superman being a planet buster, but we never see him do it.

    If Percy is the “Master of Water” in his verse, blood is perfectly viable.

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    But I do see what you’re saying, Aelfinn, if it’s within Percy’s character to not try it, he prolly won’t do it in an FP match.
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    Percy for FP award.

  42. Friendlysociopath March 14, 2015 at 10:34 pm -      #242

    if it’s within Percy’s character to not try it, he prolly won’t do it in an FP match.

    Not exactly, he’s saying Percy doesn’t know he can do it- so we can’t say Percy would do it. Which is pretty fair since Percy attempting something is pretty much the plot limiting his powers to his imagination. Maybe in the future he’ll give it a go, currently we have to stop at water, poison, and bodily fluids like tears.

    IF Percy knew he could do it and IF he doesn’t want to do it for whatever reason, the only time we would remove that CIS is if it would cost Percy a match.
    Similar to how Aang from Avatar is allowed his no-killing rule only so long as it doesn’t prevent victory.

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