Thor Vs Percy Jackson

Thor Vs Percy Jackson

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Thor (Marvel Comics) goes up against Percy Jackson from The Percy Jackson universe.

Thor is in his MCU incarnation.

Some evil forces forced Odinson to fight against other demigod. Why? Who knows…

They start the fight in Central Park, NYC.

Who will win?

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261 Comments on "Thor Vs Percy Jackson"

  1. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm -      #101

    Legitimate Question because I can’t remember………
    is the Egyptian myth based series by Riordan connected to the Percy Jackson verse or not?
    If so..have we seen the way Celestial Bronze, Imperial Gold, and or Stygian Iron interact with other god/demigod races?

  2. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 9:14 pm -      #102

    @Jake
    Yes, it is. Percy has actually fought against Carter, and injured him with Riptide.

    . [Carter] threw it and yelled the command word, TAS (bind)…just as [Percy’s] blade cut into my wrist. My whole arm erupted into agony. My vision tunneled. Yellow spots danced before my eyes…

    Son of Sobek, p. 13

  3. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #103

    Imperial Gold’s effects:

    Annabeth was right about Imperial Gold. The stuff was deadly to demigods as well as monsters. The wound from Varus’ blade would do its best to eat away at Jason’s life force.

    Blood of Olympus, Ch. 4


    Percy’s sword is made of Celestial Bronze, the Greek equivalent of Rome’s Imperial Gold.

  4. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 9:31 pm -      #104

    Okay was just curious if it had been addressed.

  5. Friendlysociopath March 11, 2015 at 9:33 pm -      #105

    Interesting, Riptide essentially poisons demigods and supernatural enemies if it cuts them?

  6. Epicazeroth March 11, 2015 at 9:39 pm -      #106

    @Jake: Yeah, they’re all connected. And the next one he’s writing – Norse mythology – will be as well.
    ===
    @Friendly: “If it helps, Percy’s sword is made of a metal specifically to kill supernatural things.”
    But it doesn’t really affect enhanced durability, does it? Does anyone in that universe even have enhanced durability? That’s been demonstrated against something not explicitly magical?

    “Interesting, Riptide essentially poisons demigods and supernatural enemies if it cuts them?”
    Yes. Or, that’s what I’ve found; I can’t actually remember it doing that. Probably happens when Luke cuts Percy sometime.

    “Essentially he makes a Goddess choke on her own tears and inner bodily fluids before Annabeth tells him to stop.”
    GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I REMEMBER NOW. I hated that scene. It was absolute bullshit, borderline Deus ex Machina, and essentially made Percy a Mary Sue. In my opinion. Anyway, I’m gonna leave to go rage now.

  7. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 9:45 pm -      #107

    Hmmm I wonder how the Norse Myth series will affect this match..

    Wait..maybe my memory is just fuzzy on the scene..how did that make him a mary sue?

  8. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 9:46 pm -      #108

    “Does anyone in that universe even have enhanced durability? That’s been demonstrated against something not explicitly magical?”

    Getting thrown around like a ragdoll by superhuman enemies, without getting injured, is a durability feat imo.
    Also the volcano feat.

    “But it doesn’t really affect enhanced durability, does it? ”

    Well it said it eats at their life force. Does UThor have a super durable life force?

  9. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #109

    Percy taking water from Jason’s lungs:

    “Piper,” Percy said, “I can help.” He knelt next to her and touched Jason’s forehead. Water gushed from Jason’s mouth.

    P. 500 Mark of Athena

    —-
    The body fluid thing:

    Her eyes watered even worse.
    Oh good, Percy thought. More water.
    Percy imagined her nose and throat filing with her own tears.


    House of Hades p. 363

  10. Ordo11 March 11, 2015 at 9:56 pm -      #110

    Well it depends on will actually, in house of hades, he also recounts the story in his head of course about another kid who died due to it and he says it will take will power and he is in the bunk for like 2 days bare min before he gets better

  11. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 9:56 pm -      #111

    I just researched up on Ultimate Thor again
    originally he had lost his divine nature and needed tech
    then he got his divine powers back and was a full god for a while (most of his better feats are from this period)
    now he’s mortal again using a high tech suit made by Stark…
    so….didn’t Celestial Bronze not work on mortals?

  12. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 10:06 pm -      #112

    Interesting, Riptide essentially poisons demigods and supernatural enemies if it cuts them?

    House of Hades also gives us more insight on how monsters feel when being gutted and hacked by Riptide:

    . Each time a demon disintegrated, Percy felt a heavier sense of dread as another curse settled on him. Some were harsh and painful: a stabbing in the gut, a burning sensation like he was being hosed down with a blowtorch.

    Percy knew that he’d killed a lot of monsters, but he’d never really thought about it from the monsters’ point of view. Now all their pain and anger and bitterness poured over him, sapping his strength.


    House of Hades p. 237

  13. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 10:14 pm -      #113

    didn’t Celestial Bronze not work on mortals?

    Right there is where it gets…iffy.

    -Carter is just a mortal that knows Magic and is descended from powerful sorcerers. Riptide works fine on him.
    -Chiron outright states that “Riptide only effects those deemed important enough.” Wayyy back in Lightning Thief
    -Thor is technically still the son of a full on god (Odin is a god in Ultimate Universe, right?)
    Riptide should be able to effect him.

    If not, Percy’s water abilities might do it.

  14. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm -      #114

    He is…but he was reborn/reincarnated but as himself…and I’m really not sure anymore the Ultimates are a mess right now and last anyone saw Ult Thor he was in the Negative Zone

  15. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 10:39 pm -      #115

    @Jake
    Huh, never really followed Ultimate Marvel, only read the old Spidey Volumes and some X-Men.

    So current U Thor (before Negative Zone) uses a tech suit? What does it do?

  16. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 10:57 pm -      #116

    Does current UThor still have dimensional BFR?
    Otherwise i think Percy takes all three rounds.

    And if he does have bfr, he COULD still get speedblitzed by Percy. Maybe.
    Considering Percys sword feeds on life force, Thors retarded durability shouldn’t be as much of an issue.
    Although i don’t think his durability at his current state is all that impressive anyways.

  17. Commander Cross March 11, 2015 at 11:03 pm -      #117

    @Ragnorke at Post #88

    Percy would be more likely to go stab Riptide through the nads of the version(s) of Thor he manages to hit, being generous.
    More Ruthlessness to note but I digress.

    @FriendlySociopath at #92

    Odin’s people had the old Sea God Aegir for what it’s worth, who’s also Boss in his own right too but generally keeps to himself.

    So Percy’s like a Super Saiyan yet, or does that mean him vs Sir Galahad’s likely sounding better by the minute?
    Though keep in mind that Percy’s Psychological Profile isn’t-at-all the most stable I’ve ever got to read, yet Before The Last Olympian happened, he was so much jollier, what the Tartarus happened!? :'(

    @Everyone else

    Also, if anyone wants to talk ‘Mary Suvian’ notes, well This Abrahamic Quote exists for a reason actually.

    Key-term here: Divine-Type Permission!

    Read this quote and save us all the Headaches and Migraines for later on.

    Either read the quote, or prepare to hear me mention how Herakles/Hercules once humiliated The Forces of The Grand Princes of Hell, themselves back at his day.*

    1.) (Noted in ‘Krishna’s Past Times’ most likely, which I don’t got on me.)

  18. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 11:11 pm -      #118

    @Friendly
    yeah a suit Iron Man made, gives him most of his old powers and limited teleportation possibly (the fleet was with the previous tech version) Tony used advanced alien stuff. Not sure what it does.
    Physically he’s got the same stats, but they rely on the suit.

  19. Ordo11 March 11, 2015 at 11:16 pm -      #119

    Well I learn more about Thor every day here. Thanks. Oh and I will try and find the quote for the will thing

  20. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 11:23 pm -      #120

    “Well I learn more about Thor every day here. Thanks.”

    This is Ultimate Thor (alternate spin-off universe). Not the canon 616 Thor.

  21. Aelfinn March 11, 2015 at 11:31 pm -      #121

    To quote myself from comment 1197:
    factpile.com/9863-legend-zelda-vs-elder-scrolls/comment-page-12/#comments

    “From all of this, it appears the lowest Magnitude that is guaranteed to increase volcanic activity is a 6.3…on one of the scales. (The Richter scale has been replaced, but the scales are similar). A Magnitude 6.3 Earthquake releases about 43 kilotons worth of energy.”


    I saw there was something about calc-ing what was needed to cause an eruption…?

  22. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 11:31 pm -      #122

    Yeah if it was 616 Thor it wouldn’t have made it past the first page…

  23. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 11:33 pm -      #123

    “Yeah if it was 616 Thor it wouldn’t have made it past the first page…”

    *First Comment.

    @Aelfinn
    Kinda surprised you saw that. Didju read through the entire thread? xD
    Cheers though.

  24. Nsl98 March 11, 2015 at 11:38 pm -      #124

    Yeah, I may get stomps posted, but I wouldn’t dare suggest that an FTL Planet Buster fight a higher tiered street leveler.

    @Aelfinn
    Where have you been? It feels like you haven’t commented in forever…

  25. Aelfinn March 11, 2015 at 11:39 pm -      #125

    “Didju read through the entire thread? “

    Yeah, pretty much. I’ve thought about that “how fast would you go before being crushed by water”, and…that wouldn’t be very easy, lol. I can tell you one thing: it’s likely near water’s speed of sound. Water’s speed of sound is Mach 4.3 to us.
    =
    EDIT
    “Where have you been? It feels like you haven’t commented in forever…”

    None of the recent fights have particularly interested me, but I’m always checking BankGambling anyway. I saw my name mentioned, and a calc to be made, and so I decided to come to this one.

  26. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 4:10 am -      #126

    “Percy taking water from Jason’s lungs:
    “Piper,” Percy said, “I can help.” He knelt next to her and touched Jason’s forehead. Water gushed from Jason’s mouth.”

    Yes, from his lungs. water that is not actually in any of Jason’s blood vessels just the lung cavity

    “The body fluid thing:
    Her eyes watered even worse.
    Oh good, Percy thought. More water.
    Percy imagined her nose and throat filing with her own tears.”

    Again water that had left her body, he wasn’t drawing it out of her, or controlling any water that was inside of her, just the water that left.

  27. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 6:46 am -      #127

    @Ramkin
    Except later on, in Tarturus, Percy takes the time to really thing about how he uses his powers:

    He remembered some science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason’s lungs back in Rome…If he could control that, then why not other liquids?

    It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the God of the sea, not if every liquid everywhere.

    So why not try? He had nothing left to lose.

    —-
    Basically, if there is some form of water in it, and depending on how much Percy tries, he has control over it.

    This is shown when he controls the tears of the ancient, primordial goddess.

  28. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 6:49 am -      #128

    Again water that had left her body, he wasn’t drawing it out of her, or controlling any water that was inside of her, just the water that left.

    Okay, let’s look at what you just said.
    “He manipulates water inside another person.”
    followed by
    “He can’t control water inside another person”.

    It’s a combination feat; he can control body fluids that are mostly water and water- and he can affect the ones even in their body. Forcing her tears down her throat IS affecting liquids inside her body.

  29. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 7:03 am -      #129

    Oh, forgot to source.

    P.362 House of Hades

  30. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 8:27 am -      #130

    So, just looked up how fast you have to go to be hypersonic. It’s Mach 5.

    Apparently water’s speed of sound is Mach 4.3 (courtesy of Aelfinn)

    It looks like Rag’s original estimate was close. While in water, Percy is just under hypersonic.

  31. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 9:44 am -      #131

    “It’s a combination feat; he can control body fluids that are mostly water and water- and he can affect the ones even in their body”

    Being in the lung cavity and being in the body are not the same thing, unless you phrase it over simplistically in order to make it sound that way. The water in Jason’s lungs was just floating around in there, it wasn’t in any of his cells, it wasn’t in any of veins or arteries it was just water floating around in the empty space inside his lungs.

    When he controls the goddess tears and her poison these are also liquids that are no longer in her body. He starts controlling her tears the moment they leave her tear ducts and are out in the open.

    If what you are suggesting is true, then Percy doesn’t have to drown anybody, he can just point at people and have all of the water in their body try to fly away, thus making them explode. Percy would have complete physical control of all living things.

  32. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 9:54 am -      #132

    Well, Riordan took the time to write that Percy recalls the particular science lecture on the human body. He even mentions that the human body is mostly made of water…Percy’s main strength.
    —-
    And Percy could theoretically expel water from people, since anything with water in it, he has some control over.

    Provided he tries hard enough.

  33. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 10:00 am -      #133

    Being in the lung cavity and being in the body are not the same thing, unless you phrase it over simplistically in order to make it sound that way.

    That would be because water in the lungs is inside the body, water being forced down the throat is inside the body,

    Percy can manipulate water inside another person’s body.
    +
    Percy can manipulate anything that has water.
    =
    Percy can manipulate anything that has water that is inside another person’s body.

    If what you are suggesting is true

    This is far from the first time a fictional character has greater powers than they normally use; PIS need not apply for BankGambling matches.

    Damn it NS, I never get to answer first q-q

  34. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 10:14 am -      #134

    “Percy can manipulate water inside another person’s body.”

    Percy can manipulate water in the empty space inside the lungs.

  35. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 10:58 am -      #135

    Percy can manipulate water in the empty space inside the lungs.

    Which is inside the body; and the inside of the throat, which is also inside the body- while only being at half power too.
    We’ve proven Percy can do this, it’s on you to disprove it.
    And no, “He doesn’t do it every time” is not a valid excuse, especially not when the one time he did it he wasn’t at his full capacity.

  36. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #136

    “This is far from the first time a fictional character has greater powers than they normally use; PIS need not apply for BankGambling matches.”

    Wouldn’t it be cis?
    ===
    “And the inside of the throat, which is inside the body.”

    He kind of shoved it down thier first. He already had control of it before it entered the throat.

  37. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #137

    “He kind of shoved it down thier first. He already had control of it before it entered the throat.”

    I dont think he did, i think this is when they were in that roman well thing, with the evil nymphs

  38. Commander Cross March 12, 2015 at 12:03 pm -      #138

    I smell Loopholes and the fact Percy hasn’t been using his Imagination all that often, seriously speaking sometimes if you’re Powerful enough with the Supernatural Arts, the rest is more or less a matter of Your Imagination to draw on as a Weapon, Creativity can maim or kill just as well as if not better than just holding a weapon can.

    Loopholes aside, can we agree that it took until The House of Hades for Percy to realize his Imagination is one of his greatest weapons by chance?

    Also as of today, Rest in Peace, Terry Pratchett!

    Yet another Worthy Opponent has left us, may The Divine welcome him aboard. :'(

    May whoever winds up caring for The Discworld and its Bio-fleets have a Worthy Imagination as Grand as your own.

  39. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #139

    Wouldn’t it be cis?

    I think so. It’s a running theme that Percy doesn’t know his own limits to how far his power goes.

    And it’s still implied that anything with water in it, Percy can exert control over.

  40. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #140

    “Loopholes aside, can we agree that it took until The House of Hades for Percy to realize his Imagination is one of his greatest weapons by chance?”

    Yeah, makes sense. It was said that the older a demigod gets, and the longer they survive, the more powerful they become.

  41. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 12:08 pm -      #141

    “And no, “He doesn’t do it every time” is not a valid excuse”

    Isn’t it? Doesn’t that basically hint at Percy’s normal methods?

  42. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 12:11 pm -      #142

    “We’ve proven Percy can do this”

    You have proven that Percy can control water that is just sitting around, like he has always been able to do, what you have shown no evidence for is that Percy can control water that is an active part of something metabolic processes. Percy has never done anything like that, not even close.

    You are saying “we can prove A and we can prove B so most likely C is true” Without any actual evidence for C.

    The only thing that even comes close to what you are describing is when Percy and anabeth were trying to get out of the tartarus…. enctrance… gate…. thing… words…… Nsl98, you know where to get quotes, do you remember that bit????

  43. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #143

    @Ramkin
    What bit?

    @Lowk
    Isn’t it? Doesn’t that basically hint at Percy’s normal methods?

    Percy didn’t know that he could choke with body fluids until he tried. He then thinks about how the human body is made up of mostly water, and the text implies that Percy can manipulate it.

  44. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 12:39 pm -      #144

    Oh! Are you talking about when Percy makes Tarturus’ arteries explode? I forgot about that.

    I guess that feat coupled with controlling another immortal’s tears is what solidifies me and Friendly’s belief that Percy can control water in people.

  45. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 1:06 pm -      #145

    Sorry for triple post.
    —-
    Percy sensing blood:

    Percy stumbled. His hand touched a red artery, and a tingling sensation went up his arm. “There’s water in here,” he said. “Actual water.”
    Bob grunted. “One of the five rivers. His blood.”

    -House of Hades p. 460

    —–
    Percy manipulates said veins:

    Percy gave a battle cry. At the Cyclopes’ feet, a red vein in the ground burst open, spraying the monsters with liquid fire from the Phlegethon.
    -House of Hades p. 521

  46. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 1:18 pm -      #146

    “Percy stumbled. His hand touched a red artery, and a tingling sensation went up his arm. “There’s water in here,” he said. “Actual water.”
    Bob grunted. “One of the five rivers. His blood.”
    -House of Hades p. 460″
    “Percy gave a battle cry. At the Cyclopes’ feet, a red vein in the ground burst open, spraying the monsters with liquid fire from the Phlegethon.”

    So not actual blood then?

  47. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #147

    It’s more like metaphysical blood. Bob the Titan stated that that was what Tarturus’ blood is made of.

    To paraphrase Merriam-Webster:

    “The liquid that flows through the capillaries and transports oxygen…”

    Percy bursts Tarturus’ equivalent to regular, mortal blood.

    —-
    Apparently Tarturus’ blood is fatal to monsters and is the equivalent of magma.

    And the Immortals in the PJ verse all have weird blood:
    -Golden blood for Titans and Gods
    -Green for reptilian monsters
    -Sand for some
    -Some fiery liquid for Tarturus
    -Alaskan Oil
    Etc., etc.

    —-
    Percy sensed some form of blood.

  48. hellboy147 March 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm -      #148

    I hope son of Poseidon beats son of Odin
    _

    “He has range over Percy, with Lightning bolts and Mjoinir.”
    _

    Percy can control the water so any form of lighting might backfire Thor

  49. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 1:50 pm -      #149

    “Apparently Tarturus’ blood is fatal to monsters and is the equivalent of magma.”

    Again. So not actual blood.
    ===
    “Percy bursts Tarturus’ equivalent to regular, mortal blood.”

    But it wasn’t actual blood though. Hell it isn’t even the same scale. Using that as a basis for “hey look he can manipulate this river stuff that THIS particular entity uses for blood means he can manipulate blood in anyone’s bloodstream” is a little embellishing don’t you think?

  50. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 1:54 pm -      #150

    Ok, guess using magma is a little embellishing.
    —-
    Doesn’t change the fact that if there is water in it, Percy will have some form of control over it.

  51. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 2:02 pm -      #151

    Wait, you guys were talking about Percy controlling blood? Geez, he never does that, no wonder everyone’s confused, I’m just talking about water in the lungs and body. If Thor starts crying or sweating then Percy could use those, but blood? That’s… highly theoretical to say the least.

  52. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 2:30 pm -      #152

    “Wait, you guys were talking about Percy controlling blood? ”

    Yes…. i feel that we would agree more if i was actually capable of explaining things….

    EDIT: Well, not just blood. there is water in every cell.

  53. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 2:35 pm -      #153

    “If Thor starts crying or sweating then Percy could use those, but blood?”

    See, I get that part.
    It’s the Pecry rupturing blood vessels thing that seemed wrong.

  54. Ragnorke March 12, 2015 at 2:37 pm -      #154

    ” it wasn’t in any of veins or arteries it was just water floating around in the empty space inside his lungs.”

    You kinda fucked up your point here. What’s the difference between being in veins or in lungs?
    Water is still water, it has the exact same molecular composition. It would simply be in smaller amounts in the veins, and greater amounts when “floating in empty space inside his lungs”.

    Unless you have a good reason for why Percy can’t manipulate water in certain parts of the human body, despite already being shown to do it in a certain other part… Your argument isn’t valid.

    However, the Water present inside the actual bloodstream is so irrelevant that i have no idea why it’s even being discussed.
    Percy should be able to control it, i just don’t see why he would.

    “If what you are suggesting is true, then Percy doesn’t have to drown anybody, he can just point at people and have all of the water in their body try to fly away, thus making them explode. Percy would have complete physical control of all living things.”

    Making tiny molecules of water “fly away” from their bodies would take a ridiculous amount of pressure. I mean a ridiculous amount. Considering how weightless & small the water molecules are.
    If Percy could make molecules that small rip through flesh, he would be at planet busting levels with just a small lake of water.
    The best way to do it would be to, you guessed it, make it go up their lungs.

    “Percy can manipulate water in the empty space inside the lungs.”

    The inside of lungs don’t consist of empty space anymore than the inside of your veins do.
    Nonetheless, there’s plenty of more pure forms of water present in the human body, which isn’t mixed with impurities to make liquids like blood.

    “what you have shown no evidence for is that Percy can control water that is an active part of something metabolic processes.”

    I still don’t see why it’s any different.
    Do the water molecules become not water molecules?

    “If Thor starts crying or sweating then Percy could use those,”

    Or Percy could just send water INSIDE Thor, And then do as he pleases.
    I doubt Thors superhuman durability stops water from going down his ears/nose/mouth.

  55. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #155

    Just wondering, how would Percy fare against Force Users like Obi-Wan or Vader?

  56. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 2:54 pm -      #156

    “What’s the difference between being in veins or in lungs?”

    Water in the lungs is just water that flowed into an empty pocket, its not actually being used by an individual in anyway, its not incorporated into their system.

    “Water is still water, it has the exact same molecular composition. It would simply be in smaller amounts in water, and greater amounts when “floating in empty space inside his lungs”.”

    Percy can control water. but saying that that control simply applies to all water everywhere no matter what is a bit NFL, Most series that have magic in have limits on what can or cant be controlled. Unless demonstrated, giving Percy flat control of all water no matter what is stupid.

    “However, the Water present inside the actual bloodstream is so irrelevant that i have no idea why it’s even being discussed.”

    The amount of water in the human body ranges from 50-75% of the total mass. Water is the medium in which all of our physical processes actually function. Saying Percy can control taht water means that Percy can control a full 75% of his opponent. Percy has been shown to be able to “solidify” water, if he simply solidified the water in his opponents body then they cant do ANYTHING, breathing, no respiration, no metabolic reactions at all no muscle control whatsoever. That is why its being discussed.

    “Making tiny molecules of water “fly away” from their bodies would take a ridiculous amount of pressure. I mean a ridiculous amount. Considering how weightless & small the water molecules are.”

    He wouldn’t need to exert any pressure. if he can control the water the he can make it diffuse out of all of the cells.

    He could make half of it move one way and the other half move the other way. With a full 75% of your mas pulling you in opposite directions you are gonna take massive amounts of internal damage.

  57. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 3:01 pm -      #157

    “Just wondering, how would Percy fare against Force Users like Obi-Wan or Vader?”

    That depends. Can Percy’s blade hurt Percy?

  58. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 3:02 pm -      #158

    “However, the Water present inside the actual bloodstream is so irrelevant”

    92% of blood is water

    “That depends. Can Percy’s blade hurt Percy?”

    uh.. yes, it can

  59. Envoy March 12, 2015 at 3:02 pm -      #159

    “-Carter is just a mortal that knows Magic and is descended from powerful sorcerers. Riptide works fine on him.
    -Chiron outright states that “Riptide only effects those deemed important enough.” Wayyy back in Lightning Thief
    -Thor is technically still the son of a full on god (Odin is a god in Ultimate Universe, right?)
    Riptide should be able to effect him.”
    +
    Adding to this.
    +
    Octavian is struck by Percy
    “Octavian screamed in a shrill voice—maybe ordering the First Cohort to stand their ground, maybe trying to sing soprano—but Percy put a stop to it. He somer saulted over a line of shields and slammed the butt of his sword into Octavian’s helmet. The centurion collapsed like a sock puppet.”
    -Chapter 12, The Son of Neptune.
    +
    Octavian is not a Demigod, he is descended from one, a Legacy. Part One.
    “Nico knew Octavian was a legacy – a descendant of Apollo many generations re- moved. Now, he couldn’t help thinking that Octavian looked like a watered-down, un- healthy version of Will Solace – like a photo that had been copied too many times. Whatever made a child of Apollo special, Octavian didn’t have it.”
    -Chapter 47, The Blood of Olympus.
    +
    Part two
    ” ‘Twice you have defied me,’ Zeus said.
    840/982 Apollo moistened his lips. ‘My – my lord –’
    ‘You neglected your duties. You succumbed to flattery and vanity. You encouraged your descendant Octavian to follow his dangerous path, and you prematurely revealed a prophecy that may yet destroy us all.’ ”
    -Chapter 50, The Blood of Olympus
    +
    You don’t need to be directly related to a God, you really just need to know one, in this case even the once Godly Ult. Thor.
    =
    “So not actual blood then?”
    +
    Not actual water either, I think its like some sort of elemental thing. In PJ-verse Teleporting and flight are basically the same thing, no seriously.
    =
    “That’s… highly theoretical to say the least.”
    +
    Percy himself considered it was possible. Not that he would do it.

  60. Epicazeroth March 12, 2015 at 3:09 pm -      #160

    @Rag: “Getting thrown around like a ragdoll by superhuman enemies, without getting injured”
    True.

    “Well it said it eats at their life force.”
    It has to cut him first.
    ===
    @Nsl: “Right there is where it gets…iffy.”
    Carter has magical ability, and follows the Path of Horus. Hell, he was Horus’ avatar for a time. It’s also possible that anybody who is “part of” the mystical world is affected.
    ===
    As to why I think Percy is a Mary Sue… Well, OK, “Mary Sue” might be stretching it a little. But at the least, I think he’s a broken and sometimes uninteresting character. I don’t really want to get into it here, though.

  61. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #161

    So question, Percy vs Natsu, Yay or Nay?
    What about vs Aquaman? Or has someone already suggested that?

  62. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 3:17 pm -      #162

    “Percy vs Natsu”

    Like, Fairy Tail Natsu?

  63. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 3:17 pm -      #163

    @Epic
    True. Would Ult. Thor without god-powers still count as part of the mystical world?
    —-
    Personally, I think it’s a convenient way for Riordan to introduce new powers for Percy.

    He kind of hints at it when he stated in Lightning Thief that Demigods get more powerful the older they get.

    Percy himself wonders why he’s survived this long, since usually Demigods get eliminated during their teen years.

  64. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 3:21 pm -      #164

    So question, Percy vs Natsu, Yay or Nay?
    What about vs Aquaman? Or has someone already suggested that?


    Isn’t Aquaman pretty up there when it comes to street-city level heroes? It could work.

    I literally have never heard of Natsu, until like, last week. But I do know he’s like a master of fire. His last name hints at that.

  65. LadyRamkin March 12, 2015 at 3:25 pm -      #165

    Well, if we are talking about Fairy Tail Natsu, then he should take it pretty easy. All he has to do is shout at Percy and he will be left in a fiery crater, and while Percy has massive amounts of heat resistance it can be worn down over time, and he defiantly isn’t immune to the physical trauma.

    readms.com/r/fairy_tail/423/2712/12

    He can also mix lightning in to it too

    stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4762413/raienryuu-no-houkou-o.gif

  66. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm -      #166

    Well then I’ll go with Aquaman. He needs a little limelight anyway.

  67. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 3:47 pm -      #167

    Aquaman is quite a bit above street physically. Spider-Man is kind of the physical cap. Unless you meant hero range

  68. Envoy March 12, 2015 at 4:05 pm -      #168

    Natsu and Aquaman are way above Percy IMO.

  69. Commander Cross March 12, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #169

    @Epica at #160

    Yes please save it for elsewhere, I posted a link that was in the first page and if it isn’t being read, it means it’s been posted up all for nothing and that’s nothing I’d want in my conscience, or anyone else’s for that matter.

    That in mind, Post-BoTL Percy frightens me sometimes, which is Ironic since Percy striked me as being more Jollier/Happier/Merrier in presence than 4 other folks I could name so long as you don’t get under his skin.*
    Well he beats out the other 4 in terms of overall Psychological Stability, just that Post-THOH Percy’s gap isn’t as big as it once was before, which saddens me.

    @Everyone else

    As noted before on Natsu, with or without The Multi-Vitamins being allowed, Incarnations for Both sides Matter here in that fight more than first glances lead on.
    If what’s said on Natsu in the latest FT Chapters indeed hold Water, EoS Natsu may require Percy to be decked out in A LOT OF Gear or River Styx Enhancements, Hell, likely both at the same time for all I’d know.(E.G Gear Percy himself has ever used, Nemean Lion Armor of Indestructible Proportions anyone?)

    Like I said before, Percy vs a Knight of The Round Table is still a viable option if The Right Version of The Right Knight is picked, doesn’t quite need to be the Top 3 Knights(Sirs Galahad, Lancelot or Tristan) themselves either,
    just a Knight who’s sufficiently both Skilled AND Powerful in fact.*

    Anyone who’ve studied The Knights of The Round Table in general* even longer than me got any ideas available?

    1.) (Harry J. Potter, Haseo(Dot Hack universe, a Universe in more need of love than first glances suggest) Homura Akemi(Madoka Magica) and Valkyrie Cain, anyone?)

    2.) (Sir Bors of Gaul/Ancient France, while he be no Wimp in himself, I don’t recall too many versions of Bors being capable of fighting Abnormal Foes like Percy next to a lot of his comrades, Sir Peredur the 7th Child included who fought a War-band of War-Bred Witches, Witches specifically Born, Bred and RAISED to Fight Wars in general in fact.)

    3.) (When I said In general, I’m not just talking the Top 3 Knights above(Galahad, Lancelot and Tristan) I was talking about the other Knights I’d tend to list up.)

  70. Epicazeroth March 12, 2015 at 6:19 pm -      #170

    @Nsl: “Personally, I think it’s a convenient way for Riordan to introduce new powers for Percy.”
    No, I don’t care that he gets more powerful. That’s to be expected. The problem is that if Percy can kick the ass of one of the Protogenoi, he becomes literally the most powerful being ever. I mean, Gaea at least was weakened. But Akhlys is Chaos’ daughter (in this universe, at least). There is no conceivable reason Percy should even register to her.
    ===
    Also, isn’t Aquaman way above street level currently?

  71. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 6:38 pm -      #171

    “Also, isn’t Aquaman way above street level currently?”

    Iirc he blocked the trident that sank Atlantis.

  72. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 8:07 pm -      #172

    @Epic

    “There is no conceivable reason Percy should even register to her.”
    ===

    I can think of one or two:
    -Percy himself was good enough that Tarturus had to make an avatar and go challenge him
    -He is talked about in monster circles (apparently) and they all fear/respect him.

    —-
    But yeah, when you put it like that, it does make Percy seem a bit MSish.

  73. Ordo11 March 12, 2015 at 8:34 pm -      #173

    that or it is like Hotshot talking up master chief in all those old threads and giving me Lols galore.

  74. Epicazeroth March 12, 2015 at 8:58 pm -      #174

    @Nsl: I can understand that monsters fear him; he’s killed a shitload of them. I might even be able to believe that he and Annabeth could take down a weakened avatar of Tartarus. But Akhlys is a first-generation Protogenos. She is literally like the third thing to come into existence.
    ===
    What’s Percy’s best strength feat? Striking strength, I mean. Because in that video I posted a while back, when he hits Malekith, it breaks the street and shatters windows in at least 50 feet in every direction.

    But I still think Percy wins for now. We’ll see if anything changes after AoU.

  75. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 9:08 pm -      #175

    Percy can cut stone in half, he threw the Minotaur off a bridge, and he and Jason were shaking the earth around them in their fight in Kansas.

    —–
    Plus, using water, there is the cruise ship thing.

    —-
    And I see what you mean with Ahklys, Percy probably shouldn’t have been able to choke her out that easily. I would’ve expected a fight or something.

  76. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 9:40 pm -      #176

    “Don’t sound so disappointed,” he muttered. “But while we’re on the subject, you should be dead too. Not many people can fight me that well. And my sword should have vaporized your crocodile.”

    “For the last time, it’s not my crocodile.”

    “Okay, whatever.” Camper Boy looked dubious. “The point is, I stuck that crocodile pretty good, but I just made it angry. Celestial bronze should’ve turned it to dust.”

    So Celestial Bronze didn’t affect an Egypt monster crocodile the way it would a Greek monster. so I’m not sure how that will come into play here..

  77. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 9:55 pm -      #177

    But that was only a monster. Thor is technically a demigod, which Riptide works fine on.


    Plus, I think that crocodile was enchanted or something, and Percy mentions in earlier books that the larger a monster is, the harder it is to disentegrate.


    Just look at how long it took for the Drakon to die in Last Olympian, or Polyphemus in Sea of Monsters. Or Antaeus in Battle of the Labryinth. Or the Giants.

  78. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #178

    So Celestial Bronze didn’t affect an Egypt monster crocodile the way it would a Greek monster. so I’m not sure how that will come into play here..

    Typically that means there’s something special about the monster (Haven’t read that particular book though so I could be wrong):
    Percy fought a small earth giant in the Labyrinth and he couldn’t finish it off because Earth would rise up and heal it.
    I believe he carved the snout off of a metal bull and it didn’t turn to dust.
    There was a monster with 3 hearts that stabbing wouldn’t do jack to.
    For the most part, Roman or Greek, his sword normally works just fine. I’m curious as to why it didn’t work on the crocodile.

  79. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 10:07 pm -      #179

    Well the Crocodile was some kind of Egyptian monster/creature.

    @Nsl98
    True but its Percy himself who said the attack should have “vaporized” it too. Like I said I’m not saying it definitely means anything but thought it was interesting enough to at least bring up

  80. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 10:17 pm -      #180

    Yeah, it is a good point. What makes me excited is wondering how the Norse monsters will be.

    Knowing Riordan, and based on past works, we should be expecting Percy, Carter, and Magnus to be teaming up sometime in the next couple of years.


    And that type of thing has happened to Percy before. In his fight with Antaeus, he stabbed him in the knee and was all congratulating himself. Then he realized that Antaeus was to powerful to be felled in a single blow, unlike more common monsters.

  81. Ordo11 March 12, 2015 at 10:41 pm -      #181

    He is right in the Lost Hero we see one of the Hephaestus campers sharpening a battle axe and using it to slice through a test slab of concrete like butter, and they said that some of the more powerful monster like drakons are not 1 hit killed by celestial bronze and others like venti or whatever their names were, just aren’t solid enough to 1 hit kill.


    Sorry typed it fast, and typed on my iPad and will get the quote later.

  82. Aelfinn March 12, 2015 at 11:32 pm -      #182

    “Making tiny molecules of water “fly away” from their bodies would take a ridiculous amount of pressure. I mean a ridiculous amount. Considering how weightless & small the water molecules are.
    If Percy could make molecules that small rip through flesh, he would be at planet busting levels with just a small lake of water.”

    Not really. Water molecules can pass through cell membranes pretty damn easily. In fact, they’re naturally going into and out of cells all the time. If someone can control the water inside of a body, it would not be difficult to pull all the water out of their cells and mummify them.

    That being said, I’d hesitate to say that Percy can manipulate the water inside the very cells until we see him do it. Logically he should, but this is fiction, and logical extension of powers is not something we see in all fictions. Maybe the author just doesn’t want to give him that power because he knows it will break the series completely?

  83. Commander Cross March 12, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #183

    Celestial Bronze has more Limits than what the New Romans would generally carry around for Weaponry-Materials, like Imperial Gold, where most weapons NOT NAMED ‘The Sword of Juno’ are honestly more brittle and fragile than Celestial Bronze is, despite harming greater varieties of Enemies like Intangible Foes or even Ghosts just because of the Material than Celestial Bronze could.

    Durability-wise, Stygian Iron Weapons are Indestructible, but anyone who can’t harness supernatural energies pertaining to the Dead(usually of the Necromantic or Ectomantic varieties) and are devoid of the Right kind of Protective Gear to make use of such weaponry’s basically asking for a Death Wish at best.

    Plus how often do we get to hear of Drakon Bone Weaponry for that matter?

    @Councilor Aelfinn at #182

    Either that, or it’s the kind of thing best-saved for if he winds up fighting Anti-christ variants or any of the Spawn of the Grand Princes of Hell, or Infernal Armies in general.
    Which will have to wait until he starts getting defenses against Invasive Supernatural Possession properly ready first, which will require Training From The Underworld for that.*

    Plus, after that one scene from The House of Hades where Percy just Snapped, Percy himself Horrifies me half the time, sad truth really. :(

    He used to be so much jollier, and now he might be on the verge of winding up in a ‘Vanilla Mortal’ Asylum awaiting him if he doesn’t watch it, which is being generous for his psychological well-being there.

    1.) (If need be, Training From Tartarus itself, which is an Ultra-Brutal variant of ‘Training From Hell’ as a matter of fact!)

  84. Nsl98 March 12, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #184

    Maybe the author just doesn’t want to give him that power because he knows it will break the series completely?
    —-
    That’s most likely it. Percy even thinks that when he first tries the body fluid thing.

    He thinks it’s crazy when he realizes that he might have control over all water.

    It’s never really touched on again, though. Unless Percy plays a major role in the upcoming Magnus Chase Series (later this year), we probably won’t be getting more Percy for another few years.

  85. OberHerr March 13, 2015 at 12:33 am -      #185

    I don’t know if I would consider that lifting the sky feat as something we can really use. I mean, yeah, it sounds heavy. But how heavy? Annabeth managed it for awhile as well, longer in fact. But neither of them ever seem to have anything more than decent strength in combat. Especially against various giants and monsters they fight.

    The lifting of the sky thing seems to me to be more of a thing almost anyone can do, and depending on who you are it will eventually kill you, but its more of a painful ordeal than actually…being strong.

  86. Ragnorke March 13, 2015 at 4:01 am -      #186

    “Water in the lungs is just water that flowed into an empty pocket, its not actually being used by an individual in anyway, its not incorporated into their system.”

    Water inhaled into your lungs is NOT just water “floating around in an empty pocket”. God knows why you would think it is. There’s plenty of shit going on in there.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drowning

    “Percy can control water. but saying that that control simply applies to all water everywhere no matter what is a bit NFL,”

    Fair enough.
    I’m saying he should be able to control pure water everywhere. Or something close to pure water.
    And the amount he can manipulate being limited to his feats, both the highest amount (10 thousand gallons) & lowest amount (tear drop?)

    “Unless demonstrated, giving Percy flat control of all water no matter what is stupid.”

    But that’s exactly what his power is. You’d need a reason for why he cannot do it first.
    In this case, the reason would be that manipulating individual water molecules are too small for him.

    “The amount of water in the human body ranges from 50-75% of the total mass. Water is the medium in which all of our physical processes actually function. Saying Percy can control taht water means that Percy can control a full 75% of his opponent.”

    99.9% of that water is actively combined with other molecules to make different compounds. Like blood, organ tissue, etc etc.. He shouldn’t be able to control any of that, because it’s too impure and can’t be considered a body of water.

    “Percy has been shown to be able to “solidify” water,”

    He’s solidified BODIES of water. Where the molecules were already in contact with each other.
    He hasn’t solidified water molecules which are separated from one another by other large molecules.
    Which is why he can’t & shouldn’t be able to do this to humans.

    Sea Water forexample, is 97.2-97.9% water. Which he can control without any trouble.
    I suppose you could say it’s because Poseidon is the god of the sea, and thus the impurity in Sea Water doesn’t count.

    Well, Tear drops are also 98.2% water. And Percy can control those too.
    Meaning he can control impurities to a certain degree.
    The 92% in Blood simply isn’t enough.

    “I don’t know if I would consider that lifting the sky feat as something we can really use.”

    No one has brought it up again. It’s quite irrelevant.

  87. LadyRamkin March 13, 2015 at 7:36 am -      #187

    “Water inhaled into your lungs is NOT just water “floating around in an empty pocket””

    To have water in the lungs, not counting water in your cells. Water has to enter your mouth and go down your trachea. The water then splits up at the bronchi split up further at the bronchioles and then enter the alveoli (also called air sacs). Water in your alveoli is in fact just floating around in an empty pocket, WTF do you think its doing???

    “I’m saying he should be able to control pure water everywhere. Or something close to pure water.”

    Except he is a son of the sea god, even controlling pure water should be a stretch for him, salt water should be his domain.

    “99.9% of that water is actively combined with other molecules to make different compounds. Like blood,

    That is not how that works…. even a little bit. If you add water to something to make it in to a new compound then no water is left, it gets used up, it no longer counts as water. Water being specifically a compound of oxygen and hydrogen.
    Blood is a mixture of water, blood plasma, white blood-cells, platelets and a whole range of other stuff. but the water is still its own separate thing.

    “He’s solidified BODIES of water. Where the molecules were already in contact with each other.
    He hasn’t solidified water molecules which are separated from one another by other large molecules.
    Which is why he can’t & shouldn’t be able to do this to humans.”

    For water to remain a liquid it must be in contact with other molecules of water, its the dipolar effect (Iirc) of other water molecules that keeps water as a liquid. If the body were filled with singular water molecules they would all be a gas and would exert massive amounts of pressure.

    Water molecules in the body are touching each other all the time, and have bits floating around in them.

    “and thus the impurity in Sea Water doesn’t count”

    More like its the impurity that makes it sea water.

  88. Ragnorke March 13, 2015 at 9:22 am -      #188

    @Ramkin
    The argument regarding the water in the lungs was:
    ” its not actually being used by an individual in anyway, its not incorporated into their system.”, and thus, according to you, it could be controlled. Whereas water that’s incorporated into the human body cannot be controlled.
    But correlation doesn’t imply cause.

    Percy controlled water inside someones lungs, but he hasn’t controlled water not inside someones lungs.
    It just so happens that the water inside the lungs isn’t incorporated into the human body.
    As far as logic is concerned, water is still water. Whether it’s being incorporated or not has NO effect on someones power unless you can prove it. Which you can’t.

    Do you think Percy can’t control water being used in a water energy turbine either, Because it’s being incorporated into a functional system? Just because he’s never shown to do it?

    Nonetheless, most of the water inside the human body isn’t just water. Which is my reasoning for why it cannot be controlled by Percy.

    “Except he is a son of the sea god, even controlling pure water should be a stretch for him, salt water should be his domain.”

    Sea water IS his domain. He’s stronger with it.
    But he can still control other impure waters & pure water, and it’s by no means a “stretch” to do so. Blood is probably just too much of a stretch though.

    “That is not how that works…. even a little bit. If you add water to something to make it in to a new compound then no water is left, it gets used up, it no longer counts as water.”

    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140611160252/videogames-fanon/images/6/6f/You_don't_say%3F.jpg

    “Blood is a mixture of water, blood plasma, white blood-cells, platelets and a whole range of other stuff. but the water is still its own separate thing.”

    No. The water isn’t still its own thing. It’s blood.
    It may be 92% water molecules, but it’s not water.

    And this is where you’re now contradicting yourself.
    Percy controls water. This is proven.
    Blood is a combination of water among other things, which is likely why Percy can’t control it.
    Yet you’re saying that the water in blood is still perfectly usable water, when you said “but the water is still its own separate thing.”
    If this were true, and if you believe this to be true, then you should also agree that Percy can control blood. Or the water inside the blood at least.
    Whether its been shown or not is irrelevant. It would simply be due to PiS or CiS.

    If a character can use his superstrength to lift bridges, buildings, and planets.. Then he can use that superstrength to lift cars too, even if it hasn’t been shown.
    There’s no “ifs” or “buts” here unless you can prove them.

    “For water to remain a liquid it must be in contact with other molecules of water, its the dipolar effect (Iirc) of other water molecules that keeps water as a liquid. If the body were filled with singular water molecules they would all be a gas and would exert massive amounts of pressure.”

    Who on earth said singular water molecules?
    They would simply be smaller than what Percy has shown to control. The smallest thing being a stream of tear drops.

    “Water molecules in the body are touching each other all the time, and have bits floating around in them.”

    Making it impure. Which is why he probably can’t control it.
    Why is that a difficult concept to grasp for you?

  89. LadyRamkin March 13, 2015 at 10:08 am -      #189

    “Why is that a difficult concept to grasp for you?”

    Because you contradict your self to tell me i am contradicting myself while telling you, you are contradicting yourself literally nothing makes any sense.

    “The argument regarding the water in the lungs was:
    ” its not actually being used by an individual in anyway, its not incorporated into their system.”, and thus, according to you, it could be controlled. Whereas water that’s incorporated into the human body cannot be controlled.
    But correlation doesn’t imply cause.”

    Nothing you said there has anything to do with correlations…. or causes… i don’t… i cant… what the fuck are you talking about??

    Percy has never controlled water that is incorporated into a body system. He has not done that, I don’t have any idea how you are managing to complicate that.

    It just so happens that the water inside the lungs isn’t incorporated into the human body.
    As far as logic is concerned, water is still water. Whether it’s being incorporated or not has NO effect on someone’s power unless you can prove it. Which you can’t.”

    Percy has never controlled water that is incorporated into anybody. He has never sensed anybody based on the water that they have in their systems. There is never any indication that Percy can influence that water at all, in any way.

    “Do you think Percy can’t control water being used in a water energy turbine either, Because it’s being incorporated into a functional system? Just because he’s never shown to do it?”

    Im pretty sure Percy could control the water at the dam. which is part of a functional system. (he did that right?)

    But its not the functional system that’s really important

    “Nonetheless, most of the water inside the human body isn’t just water. Which is my reasoning for why it cannot be controlled by Percy.”

    Which is non-sense. Water is a specific molecule. mixing it with other things doesn’t make it not water. You cant have water that isn’t water, that’s not water.

    “But he can still control other impure waters & pure water, and it’s by no means a “stretch” to do so. Blood is probably just too much of a stretch though.”

    How is blood any more of a stretch than any other watery substance? Because it doesn’t have water in the name? Blood is essentially impure water. Most of blood is water. Your saying that whether or not he can control it depends on what is floating in it. Which is just…. I don’t even…

    “img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140611160252/videogames-fanon/images/6/6f/You_don’t_say%3F.jpg”

    So… i correct your bullshit, and you post a picture that has a go at me for stating the obvious???? Are you trolling right now?

    “No. The water isn’t still its own thing. It’s blood.
    It may be 92% water molecules, but it’s not water.”

    ……….. I………. and…….
    stupidevilbastard.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/NOT-SURE-IF-TROLL-OR-JUST-VERY-STUPID.jpg

    “Blood is a combination of water among other things, which is likely why Percy can’t control it.”

    All waters except distilled water, are “a combination of water among other things”

    So why can Percy control any of those?

    “If this were true, and if you believe this to be true, then you should also agree that Percy can control blood.”

    I do believe that to be true, but that does not mean that i think he can control blood, as he has never done that and its never even been hinted that he can do that. Even if it is mostly water.

    “Who on earth said singular water molecules?”

    “He hasn’t solidified water molecules which are separated from one another by other large molecules.”

    If that doesn’t mean singular water molecules then i have no idea what you mean.

    “Making it impure. Which is why he probably can’t control it.”

    by that reasoning Percy cant control sea water.

    “Why is that a difficult concept to grasp for you?”

    Because your reason for him not being able to control blood would also mean he cant control sea water, fresh water, no water except distilled really, even rain has dissolved molecules in it.

  90. Ragnorke March 13, 2015 at 10:30 am -      #190

    “Because you contradict your self to tell me i am contradicting myself while telling you, you are contradicting yourself literally nothing makes any sense.”

    None of this has anything to do with you failing to grasp a simple concept.
    Percy can’t control most water in human bodies because it’s impure.

    “Percy has never controlled water that is incorporated into a body system. He has not done that, I don’t have any idea how you are managing to complicate that.”

    We’re discussing why not.
    You can’t simply say “He can’t do it, because we’ve never seen him do it, even though it’s perfectly logical for his powers to easily allow him to do so”
    Get it?

    “Percy has never controlled water that is incorporated into anybody.”

    Here we go again.

    “There is never any indication that Percy can influence that water at all, in any way.”

    But there is plenty of indication that he can influence water.
    And water is still water, regardless of location or amount.
    So i ask again, WHY is it do you think he can’t control it?
    The reasoning i gave, about him not being capable of controlling water which is impure past a certain degree, you disagreed with. So i’m still waiting for your reasoning.

    “Im pretty sure Percy could control the water at the dam. which is part of a functional system. (he did that right?)”

    Whoosh. That’s the sound of the relevance of the example going over your head.

    “But its not the functional system that’s really important”

    And why not?
    Why should the water incorporated in a human body be treated any different from other functioning systems?

    ” Water is a specific molecule. mixing it with other things doesn’t make it not water.”

    But it makes it impure, to a certain degree, depending on what & how much it’s mixed with.
    The water molecules themselves would obviously still be water molecules, but the end result would only be a percentage water.
    And Percy most likely can’t control anything below a certain percentage of pure water.

    “How is blood any more of a stretch than any other watery substance?”

    Due to the percentage of water in it.
    Can you find any other examples of Percy manipulating something less than 90% water?
    If you can, then great, post it and end this debate.

    “Blood is essentially impure water. Most of blood is water. Your saying that whether or not he can control it depends on what is floating in it. Which is just…. I don’t even…”

    That’s exactly what i’m saying.
    Because the stuff “floating in it” is changing the entire compound.
    As you said, it’s impure. Which is why i say Percy can’t manipulate it.
    According to you however, he can’t manipulate it because “lol fuck logic”

    “So… i correct your bullshit, and you post a picture that has a go at me for stating the obvious???? Are you trolling right now?”

    If you look closely, you didn’t correct anything.
    You posted something that was never disagreed with for the most part.

    “All waters except distilled water, are “a combination of water among other things”
    So why can Percy control any of those?”

    Because of the god damn percentage of its purity.
    As i have mentioned, at least a dozen times now, and you have failed to address atleast a dozen times.
    And you’re calling me the troll?

    “I do believe that to be true, but that does not mean that i think he can control blood, as he has never done that and its never even been hinted that he can do that. ”

    And so, i’ll ask again, WHY do you think he can’t do it.
    He SHOULD by all means be capable of doing it.
    Just because he hasn’t been shown to, does NOT consist of proof for not being able to.

    So are you going to give a valid reason? or not?
    Back to the superstrength example (which you conveniently didn’t address):
    If a character can use his superstrength to lift bridges, buildings, and planets.. Then he can use that superstrength to lift cars too, even if it hasn’t been shown.
    There’s no “ifs” or “buts” here unless you can prove them, or give a valid reason for why you think he can’t.

    “If that doesn’t mean singular water molecules then i have no idea what you mean.”

    I’ve already said (twice) that the smallest amount of water he has been proven to control is a stream of tears, and thus shouldn’t be able to manipulate anything smaller than that due to the NLF rule.
    Single water molecules are obviously smaller than that.

    “by that reasoning Percy cant control sea water.”

    Wow it’s like you’re purposely trying to ignore things i’v previously gone over.
    Sea Water is 97.1-97.8% pure water. Thus Percy can control it.
    Tears are 98.3% pure water. Thus Percy can control it.
    Blood is only 92. Meaning it may be below the threshold for Percy to control.
    That’s a big different as far as impurity percentage goes.

    “Because your reason for him not being able to control blood would also mean he cant control sea water, fresh water, no water except distilled really”

    And once again, you failed to comprehend anything i’v been saying.
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  91. LadyRamkin March 13, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #191

    “So i ask again, WHY is it do you think he can’t control it?”

    Because he cant, sometimes characters just have limitations that don’t make logical sense given their powers. Percy has no control over blood because he doesn’t, that does not come under his skill set for whatever reason. But the reason you are trying to give doesn’t work.

    “Whoosh. That’s the sound of the relevance of the example going over your head.”

    Its more like Fwoosh

    “Because the stuff “floating in it” is changing the entire compound.”

    Wrong, False, incorrect, Blood is not a compound. Blood is a mixture.

    “if you look closely, you didn’t correct anything.
    You posted something that was never disagreed with for the most part.”

    “99.9% of that water is actively combined with other molecules to make different compounds. Like blood

    No, you dont…. and….. *sigh*

    Okay, water is a molecule (a compound) that is made of 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom that are stuck together. If you add any more atoms to that molecule it is no longer water. It is a different compound entirely. Nothing is left that can be called water.

    If you take those molecules of water a put them in a cup with sodium idon’s then both things mix together but remain unchanged. That is a mixture, not a compound. As the water molecules are still there as 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom. Which sodium ions free floating in it.

    Blood is a mixture, a mixture that is 92% water. 92% of it is water molecules the same ones that can found in oceans, rivers rain.

    The ocean is also a mixture, it contains water molecules, salt molecules and a whole host of other things. If Percy can control Sea water, fresh water, rain water, regardless of their impurities then there is not Logical reason he cant control blood. but he cant.

    There are about 5.5 liters of blood in the body 92% of which is water that is 5.06 litres of water in the blood alone. More than enough if Percy had the ability to control blood since we have seen him control less.

    Percy can control tears and they are made of mucus, water and oil and also contain natural antibiotics. Hardly the purest things in the world, but we have been shown that Percy can control them regardless of that.

    TBC

  92. LadyRamkin March 13, 2015 at 11:28 am -      #192

    Ya,know what, feck it. I am sick of talking about Percy bloody Jackson, you are going to operate under the principle that he cant do it anyway, so im not gonna bother arguing with you about the reason why he cant.
    _
    And since i dont know anything about Thor im gonna go bother another match.

  93. Ragnorke March 13, 2015 at 12:19 pm -      #193

    “Because he cant, sometimes characters just have limitations that don’t make logical sense given their powers.”

    This is only true if there’s a proven reason for it.
    Otherwise we theorize a semi-logical explanation if one exists. And in this case, one does exist.

    “Its more like Fwoosh”

    No, it’s Whoosh.

    “Wrong, False, incorrect, Blood is not a compound. Blood is a mixture.”

    The end result is that the mixture isn’t pure water.
    You know damn well that’s what i meant.

    “If you take those molecules of water a put them in a cup with sodium idon’s then both things mix together but remain unchanged. That is a mixture, not a compound.”

    *sigh* you’re nitpicking my choice of words (which i agree were incorrect) but you still aren’t addressing the issue.

    “As the water molecules are still there as 2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom. Which sodium ions free floating in it.”

    And thus, it is not pure water. There’s shit inside it. That changes what it is.
    If you were to take a look at that, and in one word describe what it is, would you call it “Water”?
    No, because that’s not what it is.

    “Blood is a mixture, a mixture that is 92% water. 92% of it is water molecules the same ones that can found in oceans, rivers rain.”

    It’s 92% water MIXED with 8% of something else.
    That means it’s not pure water.
    Which could explain why Percy can’t control it.
    Rather than saying: “Hur Dur fuck logic even though there’s a possible explanation!”

    “The ocean is also a mixture, it contains water molecules, salt molecules and a whole host of other things.”

    But it’s 97.5% water. Not 92.
    That’s a large difference.

    ” If Percy can control Sea water, fresh water, rain water, regardless of their impurities then there is not Logical reason he cant control blood. ”

    I repeat my point from above.
    None of those things have an impurity as high as blood.

    “Percy can control tears and they are made of mucus, water and oil and also contain natural antibiotics. Hardly the purest things in the world, but we have been shown that Percy can control them regardless of that.”

    ^ this is actually a good point.
    Who said the tear was made of Mucus?

  94. Commander Cross March 13, 2015 at 12:48 pm -      #194

    I don’t believe either of you are Trolls, I am NOT looking for more Non-Trolls getting banned, not now, not ever, never again!

    Can we just compromise and agree that going so far as to see if he can’t control blood would require either Bloodlust or Despair for Percy to contemplate?

    In any case, for future ideas we may wanna go contemplate on Frank Zhang at some point for more C.H.B related ideas.

  95. Ordo11 March 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm -      #195

    Bad way I put that, how impure is poison as he also uses that to choke akhyms or whatever her name is.

  96. Ordo11 March 13, 2015 at 1:07 pm -      #196

    Yes Frank needs a fight.

  97. LadyRamkin March 13, 2015 at 1:18 pm -      #197

    “Hur Dur fuck logic even though there’s a possible explanation!””

    Yeah, a possible explanation that we have no way of confirming.

    “Who said the tear was made of Mucus?”

    … Um no one said that her tears specifically were mucus. but tears in general contain water, mucin, lipids, lysozyme, lactoferrin, lipocalin, lacritin, immunoglobulins, glucose, urea, sodium, and potassium.

  98. Commander Cross March 13, 2015 at 1:27 pm -      #198

    @Ordo at #196 and Everyone else

    Percy himself needs to take a break, unless of course someone WANTS ME to write out what happens if he loses all his marbles or show him winding up increasingly distant from anyone NOT named Annabeth Chase, which isn’t very fun to say the least.*

    Also at the moment, either Clarisse La Rue or Frank could fight Chief Man or some of the other fight-worthy Champions of Halo, just make sure they’re not ‘Vanilla Humans’ and in theory it could work.

    1.) (I’m serious, I don’t want to go that far unless he’s surrounded by people he can trust and he knows this by now, the time spent in Tartarus wasn’t all that kind to him aside from living through this, and even then it’s more a Martin Walker-kind of deal if anything, any of you want a repeat of Spec Ops: The Line going on with Percy himself, Be my guest and look at this link then!
    Last I checked, Rand al’Thor and the Major Players of Madoka Magica suffering this is already enough.
    You have been warned. )

  99. Epicazeroth March 14, 2015 at 12:05 am -      #199

    @Ramkin: Tears are over 98% water. That’s actually purer than a large percentage of the world’s seawater.
    ===
    Anyway. So Percy can’t control blood, because it’s too impure? Is that the consensus?

  100. Friendlysociopath March 14, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #200

    Anyway. So Percy can’t control blood, because it’s too impure? Is that the consensus?

    I was sitting in the camp of “Well he never did it so I’m not going to say he can”.
    Not that it matters since he can just will water to enter someone’s body via nose, mouth, ears and so on and then will it to drown them.

    Controlling blood would sort of be the nail in the coffin for “blitz him or die”. Which he treads pretty closely to already.

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