Warhammer 40K Vs Halo

Warhammer 40K Vs Halo

In what seemed like a good idea at the time, here by request is the Warhammer 40K universe matched up against the Halo Universe.

I think even if you had 10,000 Spartans, this battle wouldn’t be very close.

Any hope for the Halo universe?

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505 Comments on "Warhammer 40K Vs Halo"

  1. TL December 30, 2008 at 8:15 am -      #101

    I wouldn’t bet so surely on the Battle Barge dominating over the Forerunner’s Dreadnought.

    But against any Human or Covenant warship, the Battle Barge makes swiss cheese out of them.

  2. Matapiojo December 30, 2008 at 10:42 am -      #102

    “I wouldn’t bet so surely on the Battle Barge dominating over the Forerunner’s Dreadnought.”

    *shrug*

    I would.

    “I must also determine that Chaos factions such as the Daemon lords would remain untouched by the pulse; and the Chaos Gods, looking unkindly upon the likes of the of the rings, could quite easily smite and bring ruin to any such Forerunner design as it would deprive them of the blood lust they so desire from hand to hand combat.”

    I thought that point was interesting because in my opinion, Tzeentch would most certainly allow the Halos to detonate. Surely not after corupting its energies to bring untold havoc onto the sentient beings of the galaxy. So many unpredictable mutations and/or other effects happening at once is simply too good to ignore.

    Im sure he would deploy many Marine Sorcerors to shift the rings to better fit his will. This being the case, this might bring tons of in-fighting amongst Chaos, but it would be far from ROFLSTOMPing the rings.

    In any case, I dont see how the Forerunner advocates even think they are even within the same league as the vastly ancient Necrons or Eldar as well as the greater powers that drive these 2 extremely powerful races. The sheer amount of Necron influence in the already stated vastly superior Imperium of Man is proof that they are beyond the scope of Forerunner scrutiny.

    We have only seen the tip of the iceberg so to speak regarding Necron might. Untold horrors still lie dormant within trillions of tomb worlds and other planets that have “moved on”. Not to mention that the other half of the C’Tan gods is still in slumber as well.

    The fact that the mightiest Imperial Forge World is beleived to be the resting place of the Void Dragon should mean something.

    Just face it Halofans. Everything in your universe is utterly dwarfed by the monstrous 40k universe. Even your precious Foreruners, or even the fabled Precursors.

  3. TL December 30, 2008 at 11:59 am -      #103

    Mata, before voicing your thoughts, please take into account the context on which I’m basing mine on.

    I wouldn’t even want to talk about the Forerunners or the Precursors, because so much is unknown about them. To assume that they are dwarfed by 40K’s factions… well, they are just assumptions on your part.

  4. Matapiojo December 30, 2008 at 12:28 pm -      #104

    OK

    Thats a valid point so I wont dwell on it.

    Parting from the information that IS known, the known 40k universe still stomps the known Haloverse with no difficulty at all.

  5. TL December 30, 2008 at 1:09 pm -      #105

    Very true. I’m using the current Halo timeline, which is after the events of Halo 3.

    Halo still gets taken down very very easily.

  6. L-W December 30, 2008 at 8:25 pm -      #106

    Precursors admittedly have earned themselves some anonymity in this regard as to whether or not they could combat the 40K universe, since their trans-sentience certainly has displaced them beyond our known estimation of the Halo worlds. Although for all of the Covenant speculation placed upon the mantle of Forerunner speculation, for all we know, the Precursors simply became extinct much in the same fashion as to fulfill the ironic circular consequence of the narrative.

    Which has always essentially been about entire sentient species gradually being driven, or carelessly driving themselves towards extinction.

    Although on the basis of the evidence currently in existence in regards to the Forerunner, I would not say that they were above or beyond speculation on our behalf. Or similar to the likes of the Precursor as to warrant any sort of fanaticism or enigmatic blindness that should merely distract us.

    – – –

    Although it is interesting to note how the Flood/Forerunner war is a paradigm of the Nercontyr/Old One conflict, only this time I foresee the Necrons breaking the Forerunner far faster than the Flood themselves could ever manage in three hundred years.

    Especially when entire Armies of practically invulnerable troops can simply appear (Like Ghosts) in several areas at once; only disappearing after causing sufficient casualties within a defined radius of the C’tan will.

  7. L-W December 31, 2008 at 3:05 am -      #107

    How I missed this post I could never know.

    – – –

    ““I wouldn’t bet so surely on the Battle Barge dominating over the Forerunner’s Dreadnought.”

    *shrug*

    I would.”

    – – –

    Let us not forget that despite the might of the Imperial Battle Barge, it is left blinded and stranded in the dust by the likes of the Battleship Renascence fleet model.

    At over 300km in length, 30km high and with a hull thickness of over one kilometer of reinforced Adamantium shielding, it possesses three main bow canons, each ten kilometers in length which individually produce skyscraper sized bolts of NOVA plasma shots twenty kilometers in length. Followed closely by millions upon millions of weapons batteries, rail guns, plasma batteries, missile launchers, plasma torpedoes, lancer beams and nova (Anti-Planet) canons interlacing the entire hull.

    Couple this with the fact that the ship generates a warp energy shield, making it stronger with each energy based strike, has a five kilometer thick adamantium battering ram on the fore bow (It can smash through a Halo installation and not even notice). It also generates several Micro Dyson fields to maximize the storage capacity of the interior, generates its own atmosphere and agricultural biosphere, contains an internal dry dock, vehicle and weapons factory (It can continually construct titanic amounts of fleet support and ordinance) and house over several billion crew and residents’ and we begin to see the emergence of one, very nasty ship.

    Now despite the fact that there are only handful of these ships available in the nearby proximity of Segementum Solar, just one of these ships is enough to cause trouble for *any* opposing Navy.

    Imagine over 200km worth of interlaced weapons batteries firing 300 meter long bolts of Plasma every few seconds in continuous salvos. There is a reason WH40K is considered far too overpowered by many respective sci-fi fans.

  8. TL December 31, 2008 at 3:14 am -      #108

    The Precursors didn’t became extinct. It was implied that they left the Milky Way after supposedly passing on the ‘Mantle’ to the Forerunners.

  9. L-W December 31, 2008 at 4:53 am -      #109

    Apparently the term “For all we know” changed in meaning over Christmas.

    I’ve learned one thing over the past few months, immaterial supposition can be dangerously misinterpreted on this website.

  10. TL December 31, 2008 at 5:06 am -      #110

    So is it the Battle Barge or the Battleship Renascence model you were referring to in your last post? The one that is over 300km in length?

  11. Space marine December 31, 2008 at 6:54 am -      #111

    Well then that means that the precursors are no longer a part of the haloverse and are no longer considered a threat to the 40k universe.
    Yay.

  12. Locutus December 31, 2008 at 7:25 am -      #112

    “Battleship Renascence fleet model.”
    “Imagine over 200km worth of interlaced weapons batteries firing 300 meter long bolts of Plasma every few seconds in continuous salvos.”

    WHAT THE HELL!!!!
    I have never heard of this ship before, it sounds f***in AWESOME!
    I must assimilate, please send me a link of where you found this info.

  13. Matapiojo December 31, 2008 at 10:25 am -      #113

    I agree to a respect. I certainly wouldnt call it overpowered, its all just relative. The creative forces behind 40k simply go for a much more epic sandbox than other sci-fi giants like SW and ST.

    While Halo somewhat looks to emulate predecesors like Battlestar Galactica (where the struggle of Humanity is against a single entity rather than multiple conflicts along the universe).

  14. TL December 31, 2008 at 12:54 pm -      #114

    Notice that I’ve never ever say that Halo will win out. In fact, I’ve always been in favor of 40K winning.

  15. L-W December 31, 2008 at 10:11 pm -      #115

    “So is it the Battle Barge or the Battleship Renascence model you were referring to in your last post? The one that is over 300km in length?”

    The Battle Barge is the Marine transport/Destroyer, which is just over 20km in length and possess only one pintle mounted nova canon, yet its array of batteries is still both incredibly dense and still capable of immense and rapidly fired salvos of skyscraper sized plasma and lancer bolts.

    But as I said, the Renascence is just beyond anything we’ve yet to witness in terms of scale and sheer firepower.

    After the Horus Heresy (When a large part of the navy fell into dissent), the Chaos legions managed to capture their own Renascence vessel, resulting in a standoff in which neither the Imperium or Chaos forces would ever put forth their respective Goliaths due to the commonly appreciated fear of having a 300km battleship capable of unleashing over 600 teratons* of firepower with a single blast from one of its three mounted nova cannons.

    * 600 teratons, equivalent to:
    600,000,000 megatons.
    1,400,000,000 (One billion four hundred million) Minuteman ICBM nuclear weapons adopted by the US.
    50,000,000,000 (Fifty billion) Fat Man/Little Boy Atomic weapons.
    Or six thousand times the potential strength of every nuclear weapon on planet Earth.

  16. L-W January 1, 2009 at 12:01 am -      #116

    God dang it! I just realized that I screwed up the calculations for the bow mounted nova canons on the Renascence vessel, the one I posted previously were for the pintle mounted nova canons on the Battle Barge. It should have read more like this:

    After the Horus Heresy (When a large part of the navy fell into dissent), the Chaos legions managed to capture their own Renascence vessel, resulting in a standoff in which neither the Imperium or Chaos forces would ever put forth their respective Goliaths due to the commonly appreciated fear of having a 300km battleship capable of unleashing over 60000 teratons* of firepower with a single blast from one of its three mounted nova cannons.

    * 60000 teratons, equivalent to:
    60,000,000,000 megatons.
    140,000,000,000 Minuteman ICBM nuclear weapons adopted by the US.
    5,000.000.000,000 Fat Man/Little Boy Atomic weapons.
    Or six hundred thousand times the potential strength of every nuclear weapon on planet Earth.

    *Corrected*

  17. Space marine January 1, 2009 at 1:05 am -      #117

    OMFG L-W MADE A MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

  18. Space marine January 1, 2009 at 1:09 am -      #118

    Any way it’s my B-day on the forth of january :P Turning 14 :)

  19. TL January 1, 2009 at 2:12 am -      #119

    I’ve never been a fan of 40K, and now that you’ve just given the stats of the Renascence vessel, it just make me “wow”. A truly titanic vessel.

    I should add my own piece now.

    The Forerunner Dreadnought is not the biggest or strongest ship in the Forerunner Navy. In fact, it is outclassed by many military and even transport ships. There are no additional information on them, although it is known that they are able to make stars go supernova and create a powerful rupture in the fabric of space.

  20. L-W January 1, 2009 at 5:23 am -      #120

    According to the Bestiarum and all the information I could acquire from AdjutantReflex, the Dreadnought (Also known colloquially as the keyship) was a heavily armed supraluminal capital class ship of the Forerunner Navy, acting as both the symbolic flagship, the main assault carrier and vanguard of the Forerunner Emergency Circumstance and Suppression Fleet.

    The rest of the fleet composed of unarmed supraluminal ships (Designated as scout class for both the pioneer fleet group alpha), cruisers and specialized warships.

    “they are able to make stars go supernova”

    What do you think the nova in nova cannon stands for?

    “create a powerful rupture in the fabric of space.”

    …And Warp?

  21. Zach January 2, 2009 at 10:16 am -      #121

    The empire has a bright wizard. Spartans die easily from fire according to online matchmaking. So, 20 bright wizards just breath fire like in the cinematics and all the spartans turn to dust.

  22. TL January 2, 2009 at 10:41 am -      #122

    ‘The seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships, many in excess of [50,000 tonnes]…’ –Terminal Six, Halo 3

    The Dreadnought is 37,654 tons in weight.

    From the impression you’ve given me of the Nova cannon in your above posts, it seems to be more of an anti-planet weapon rather than an anti-star weapon.

    From what I can gather from the Lexicanum, what the Warp is:
    1) It can generate extremely destructive warpstorms.
    2) It is the home dimension of Chaos.

  23. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 2, 2009 at 7:39 pm -      #123

    you see in every post i seen here people bring in some of them but not all of them, sure sm could take on entire planets but what if there was a ground war on a unsc planet with a sm chapter on it fighting a unsc forces, whilst a covanant fleet moves into position to glass the planet? they would be obliterated.
    and then there is the fact no 1 is thinking well what if the forrunners are still alive? if you would remeber from book 4 of halo there was some sort of “safe house” that had a entire planet in it what if the wasnt a mini universe but a portal to a different part of the universe? and all the forunners went there?
    then theres the fact about “sm totally pwn spartans” you forget that the normal mark armor has battleship class sheilds on it and dont tell me how in the game its easy to take it down. because if you got your facts strait and did more that just play the game you might learn something. then you forget about the fact of how even in 2 ton armer an pin dropping can be louder than a spartan.
    also everything you get from the game like its easy to kill some1 with fire is most likely not the true facts just something that was made so it doesnt take a fucking covanant battleship to kill one spartan. and another thing that if you read the books you would learn something the spartens were smart enough that 1 of them when he was trying to escape the program he at 6 years old was able to get away buy nknocking out 10 marines and escape in a stolen pelican and when they shot him down and caught him he selfdestructed the pelecan resulting in over 20 casulties.

    also ive seen this a few times the halo rings can kill all organic life now some people are saying it would only hurt the milky way that was only one of them there are 7 not including the mega one which has enough power to kill all in like a 10000 galexys radius so although warhammer has strength tech pure size etc etc therer are a few things that would contradic them

  24. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 2, 2009 at 8:29 pm -      #124

    Oh wait! theres more!

    The flood.
    many people say the flood are just weak mindless zombie things that junp on your head. wrong.

    the flood are actaully a intellegent spieces.
    and they arent as weak as you think just one of those infection forms has the ability to rip threw ship class armor again if you read a few things you would no this, and people say it would close to impossible to infect a sm
    wrong again
    all those who believe this well u can just shove an infection form right up your ass because that basically wat would happen when a normal sized group of infection forms would attack a sm

    then there the fact that every1s forget that the flood we know and love only came from 1 ring there are countless other places the flood are at.

    now we all no that there is a 0.00001% chance that humans will defeat 40k
    and there is a 0.001% chance the covanant would defeat them
    but theres a 50% chance that flood forunners or the rings would wipe them out otherwise 40k would probaly pwn except for thev fact that there are to many unkown factors that take play.

    that is my point now does any 1 want to argue with that?

  25. L-W January 2, 2009 at 9:55 pm -      #125

    Argh! So much idiocy, where do I start?

    1) The Nova canon is a multi-purpose offensive/defensive weapon designed purely to combat large vessels, planetary bodies and even entire star systems dependent on the maximized yield of each individual shot.

    An extremely precise Nova burst traveling in excess of 1.75cr is going to cause severe damage to large fleet bodies just by barely ‘skinning’ them, several rapid bursts from minimized shots can cause severe damage to individual ships.

    2) Judging from Forerunner structures and portals and my abundant well of knowledge in the field of physics, there are few Forerunner craft in excess of twenty kilometers in length.

    3) ‘The seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships, many in excess of [50,000 tonnes]…’ –Terminal Six, Halo 3

    The Dreadnought is 37,654 tons in weight.

    – – –

    Note that you stated Barges, Tankers and Container Ships. Yeah, you just shot yourself in the foot with your own argument.

    Now onto WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! Might I add before I begin that you’ve not actually stated anything that no one here has before, in fact most of your points have been dis proven at some point in the past.

    4) Any Marine activity invokes the involvement of at least one Battle Barge, or at least a minimum of imperial fleet activity. Even a two kilometer Escort class vehicle (The smallest of the Imperium) outranks and overpowers the largest of the Covenant Capital Class Cruisers.

    In a direct engagement, the Imperial Holy Navy will wipe the floor with the Covenant. Either way the process of glassing requires several days and a large fleet to accomplish, even if the Marines were stranded, they could easily find a way to overcome and survive any such ‘weak’ attempt upon their lives.

    5) The Forerunners are still alive to some extent, trapped with a Micro-Dyson sphere within the midst of a slipspace gate. Yet their Empire is so diminished from the sheer destruction that the Flood imposed upon them that their efforts would be of little consequence to the war. They are just the remainder of a once proud race that practically put a gun to its head to save themselves.

    6) Look kid, we’ve proven on countless occasions beforehand. A Spartan is NOT going to defeat a Space Marine in any form of engagement. If you genuinely think otherwise then I’ll be straight with you here and now…

    You are a deluded fool. There, I said it. Any attempt to compare any part of the SPARTAN-II program to that of the Space Marine training is the soliloquy of a true idiot.

    7) The Warhammer universe deals with the likes of the Necrons and Tyranids on an almost daily basis. The Flood are NOT going to be anything besides a minor nuisance at best.

    Neither are they going to even scratch a Space Marine, let alone infect one. Not just due to the power armor itself, but the myriad of transplants nd organic augmentations a Marine has undergone that would prevent a Flood infection form even surviving being attached to a Marine, let alone infecting one.

    – – –

    The above post may seem diluted due to the fact that I’m responding to so many ‘points’ at once. But rest assured good people, in future when I’m not so busy quelling such a concentrated assault of a pure force of idiosyncrasy, I can handle such threads with more impunity.

  26. Space marine January 2, 2009 at 9:58 pm -      #126

    No…even if they used the rings they would have to deal with the necrons,
    All they would do is teleport their monoliths to the surface of a planet and then lay waste to everything in it’s path.

  27. TL January 2, 2009 at 11:55 pm -      #127

    It does not mention only barges, tankers or container ships, but military ships as well. But frankly speaking, do you think such an advanced race as the Forerunners have use for barges, tankers and container ships that are the equivalent of our own today? Large, unwieldy, and easily destroyed? I think not, although sufficient data is still unavailable for a final conclusion.

    What I got from Lexicanum regarding the Nova Cannon:

    — A Nova Cannon is a high powered weapon almost exclusively encountered on Imperial vessels.

    The principle of such a weapon is very similar to that of a rail-gun, in that it requires no propellant or fuel to move the projectile. Instead, the ammunition is accelerated using powerful magnetic fields to speeds almost equal to the speed of light.

    The recoil generated by such a high energy release practically prohibits vessels from mounting nova cannons on turrets, or on smaller ships. Thus, they are nearly always fired in a fixed forward arc, where the powerful ships engines can compensate for the reverse motion of the projectile.

    The ammunition fired by the nova cannon is a specially prepared imploding charge, timed to detonate after it achieves a set distance from the vessel that fired it. The distance is calculated by the ship’s weapons officer. Though the high speed of the projectile prevents detonation at short ranges, as it will have already obtained such a high distance in a very short space of time. —

    You can imagine my confusion between your statement and the wiki’s statement.

  28. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 3, 2009 at 8:11 am -      #128

    also dont give me that “the halos only kill sentient life” sh!t because if you read again you would have to be smarter than a dirt post to understand this, the halos kill all ORGANIC life any thing that is not made of some type of metal or rock would go poof. thus showing you greatly underestamate the power of the forruners. and i never said a spartan would easily take down a sm i just said it would be a lot harder to take down a spartan then your “sm rips spartans in half” type comment realisticaly it would take 3-5 spartans to take on a sm of course that varies with who they are and what there skills are.

    also i said that there are to many unkown factors in this to say 40k wins without even takeing a scratch. then theres 40ks “gods” any thing that exists can be stopped the only thing that is truly invicible is nothingness because nothing does not exist it is nothing.
    your ignoring the fact that the forruners with the possiblilty of the “safe house” being a portal to a far part of the universe knowing how long since just the flood attack them it could have been long enough to completely thrive. also the flood were MADE BY THE FORUNNERS and you of course underestimating there power dont see the fact that the flood rival tyranids. and the fact that the forunners created them means that the forunners are possibly a great threat to the 40k uni
    i am not saying the exact opposite of what most people are saying as in im not saying the halo uni would comepletely annihalete the 40k uni im saying there are way to many things you guys are thinking about because all your thinking about is how strong 40k is and not how strong halo could be now what you L-W?

  29. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 3, 2009 at 8:16 am -      #129

    whoops fixing sentence “I’m saying there are to many things you guys are NOT thinking about”

  30. Space marine January 3, 2009 at 8:44 am -      #130

    Necrons aren’t Organic anyway…….rofl. and Gauss weaponry has been proven to get past all shields known to man,ork,tau,eldar,ect.
    So if halo relies on its shields then they are F%^$&*, you catch my drift?

  31. L-W January 3, 2009 at 10:51 am -      #131

    “It does not mention only barges, tankers or container ships, but military ships as well. But frankly speaking, do you think such an advanced race as the Forerunners have use for barges, tankers and container ships that are the equivalent of our own today? Large, unwieldy, and easily destroyed? I think not, although sufficient data is still unavailable for a final conclusion.” – TL

    Oh boy, here we go again. I feel like the Dutch Kid with his finger in the Dike.

    Yes, yes I do. The general principle of Tankers and Container ships dictates a gross tonnage per transport is unequivocal to the total summation of the crew content. Essentially a comparatively large vessel can have a minimum surplus of crew (In the case of the Forerunner it would purely be A.I. steerage) and yet transport an incredibly substantial material content.

    Considering the general purpose of most Tanker and Container ships is NOT to be engaged in combat (Because a seven man crew is really not going to put up much resistance) and to not have substantial protection against sea or airborne bombardment. They are designed for commercial routes and shipping, not to be engaged in combat, thus they have to meet the minimum economic requirements for making profit or by decreasing the material expense of transporting goods.

    Do you think the Forerunner, or any race for that matter, would benefit by arming their economic trading craft with large, expensive and highly unwieldy weaponry? Especially since their Empire had gone unchallenged up until the Flood invasion?

    The event in question also took place during the last ditch fight to activate the Halo array, they were throwing craft at the Flood as canon fodder. The Forerunner had become so desperate to delay their enemies that they were willingly throwing civilian shuttles into the path of the Flood. Hardly a sound military strategy.

    And notice that in my previous post I surmised my point by saying:
    “Note that you stated Barges, Tankers and Container Ships.”

    This should have been the first clue for you.

    Tankers and Transports have always VASTLY outweighed Military vessels in human naval history. The Bismark, the Galleon and even the titanic Iron Clad have always been displaced massively by their counterpart material transport ships. Even today, modern Battleships, Destroyers and Aircraft Carriers are outweighed on average by 400,000 tons by even the lightest of Tankers and Cargo Ships whilst empty.

    There are two logical reasons for this:

    1) Combat vessels, despite being heavily armed, heavily armored and highly populated (Aircraft Carrier population: 2000), still have to be highly maneuverable and produce a limited radar signature. Even with their extremely powerful propulsion systems, most warships often sacrifice gross tonnage in the sake of speed.

    2) Weapons, armor plating, navigation technology, electronic systems and propulsion technology become far more efficient with each passing generation. Requiring fewer resources whilst reproducing exponentially greater results, essentially coining the term, “More Bang for your Buck”.

    Unfortunately economic cargo (Food, fuel, alloys etc.) weighs the exact same as it’s always have in the past, which coupled with the increasing demand in material resources across a rapidly expanding Human populous, places more demand in the necessary gross tonnage of material transport.

    And you don’t think that this concept (Despite their advancements in portal technology) does not logically apply to the Forerunners, a Galactic Empire spanning over multiple systems, essentially a large hungry mouth continually needing to be fed by imports to and from Planets meeting only certain criterion for material export? My God, please tell me you’re not seeking a job in transport logistics.

    As for the nova cannon, it’s called Ballistics. Do you think a 200 meter pintel mounted barrel powered by an Executor class Plasma Generator is going to be equivalent to a 10Km barrel powered by a Micro-Dyson sphere greater in output than several combined stars? Christ, here I was thinking that a 5 inch Howitzer could produce the same results a five foot 54 caliber (127mm) Mark 45 gun.

    Jeez.

    – – –

    Now onto WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! (Just copying and pasting that gives me a headache).

    1) Source: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_Array

    Just in case you’re too lazy to click the source I provided, I’ll cite some useful and highly relevant passages.

    “The array was designed by the Forerunners to eradicate sentient life from the galaxy”

    “Once the energy reaches a mass suited for the range, the 3 phase pulse generators simultaneously release a pulse, possibly releasing the energy which will then lock onto and destroy all sentient life.”

    “their creators had no choice but to activate the Halos’ main weapon, and terminate all sentient life in the galaxy.”

    “It is unknown exactly what means the Halo Array employs to kill sentient lifeforms over non-sentient life.”

    “The pulse is designed to kill all sentient life in the Installations three-dimensional radius”

    “Once activated the other installations will fire simultaneously, eradicating all sentient life in the galaxy.”

    343 Guilty Spark: “After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died, as planned.”

    – – –

    They have a word for that where I come from. Owned.

    2) As for you’re personal opinions, I will carefully direct you to this link. It will give you all the information you need to understand just how wrong you are.

    factpile.com/archives/851

    Also I suggest you thoroughly read and attempt to understand posts 6, 7, 14, 23, 35, 37, 59, 60, 67. If you can read those and return with a substantial argument, then I will listen…And prove you wrong…

    …Again.

    3) I also find it funny that for such a staunch Halo supporter, most of your information is incorrect, something you’ll no doubt attempt to bashfully retract when I prove so……

    NOW!

    A) Gleaming semantics aside, absence of existence is not the presence of proof. Nice attempt at dissuading Nitsche philosophy there bud, but are you implying that the Halo strategy is NOT to exist, therefore being declared victorious, or to say that if the Chaos Gods were to not exist, they would not pose a threat to anyone?

    …Wow…

    …I mean, just…

    …Wow…

    I really have nothing to say to that, you are quite possibly the most backwards Organism to craw from the Primordial soup. Please never attempt to engage anyone in intellectual discussion ever again, for the sake of humanity and all that is holy.

    B) Second mistake, the Forerunner Shield World (A Safe House is a poor soliloquy at best), is encased with an artificial Micro-Dyson sphere centered within a slipspace rupture. An area of space that geographically exists within the same space as they were before, except it presently remains outside four dimensional space. Not another area of the universe.

    To make it easy for you to understand, I’ll use simplified metaphors so you can grasp the concept.

    Picture time and space running like a road, the road being heavily tolled, monitored and limited to only one route of travel in a single direction at an incredibly slow speed. Now imagine if the Foreunner built the exact same road and joined it in parallel with the original, but removed all laws governing the use of this road, meaning you can go in any direction you wanted to at any desired speed; and yet merge with the original road at the exact same location each time.

    That is essentially slipspace for you.

    C) The Flood were not created by the Foreunner, they were an extra-galactic parasitic race that arrived in the Milky Way Galaxy eons before; and were uncovered by the Forerunner during a routine expedition.

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood

    Does it depress you to know how LITTLE you know about your own defense, and how often I have proven you to be wrong?

    4) If you wish debate, I will do so. But I have no doubt that I could easily prove how superior the Tyranid forces are to that of the Flood. Easily. Equally the Necron forces are several folds above the Forerunner; and a hundred above he Flood.

    At best they are a minor nuisance to the denizens of the 40K universe. At best.

    5) “you guys are thinking about because all your thinking about is how strong 40k is and not how strong halo could be now what you L-W?”

    Could be now what you? Is that even a legible sentence? Although you fail to take into account that we have already expended our knowledge of both respective universes and formed a conclusion LONG before your ungracious and underwhelming arrival.

    You claim that we have yet to take the full extent of the opposition into account, I say you cannot even garner the most basic, easily available and marginally correct information for your own arguments. When you statistically know less than the rest of the rooms occupants, it is a fallacy to claim that no one has considered a minor intrusion of no significance on your part.

    And yet the Kid with his finger in the Dike at least was relieved of his duties, when am I going to get a day off from this surge of stupidity?!

  32. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 3, 2009 at 5:23 pm -      #132

    ya, well rolflcopter to u to jack#ss
    soisoisoisoisoisoisoisoisoi

  33. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm -      #133

    you have WAY to much time on your hands.

  34. AlphaCommando January 3, 2009 at 5:49 pm -      #134

    If your going be an idiot you shouldn’t even be posting in the presence of smart people. That way your minuscule dignity remains intact….

    Unless you can make systematic engineering, scientific and practical proof any discussion involving people like Mata, L-W and me is beyond you….

  35. L-W January 3, 2009 at 7:22 pm -      #135

    Don’t confuse the concept of actually having a Brain with that of a person who has time.

    Now, do you have anything of actual value to add?

  36. Locutus January 3, 2009 at 7:33 pm -      #136

    WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! has just been pwned.

    kthxbai

  37. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 4, 2009 at 1:16 am -      #137

    Ha! i can’t believe you guys are making such a big deal about this i mean come on, its just a stupid f#cking game. oh and just to see how you will “pwn” me here another curve ball
    we are talking about uni vs uni a universe goes on forever there could possibly be som kind of galactic sized race of attack cats that can tear apart worlds with 1 swipe of their paw which would then pwn both universes so what say you L W and any 1 else who want to argue with this just for the sake of argueing?

  38. Space marine January 4, 2009 at 4:09 am -      #138

    LOL.

    He got served.

    Looks like the epic fail, OR, Golden teabag award goes to…….

    WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN!

    Congradulations, ya jerk.

  39. TL January 4, 2009 at 5:25 am -      #139

    Hold your horses, I had only said it was a thought on my part. I did not for once, affirmed it as the truth. And comparing our modern counterparts to the Forerunners are quite… illogical, in my opinion, since the Forerunner could manufacture small localized slipspace containment units that could be moved around.

    ‘The seventh and final wave of container ships, barges, tankers, and military vessels engage my fleet; another 214,320 ships, many in excess of [50,000 tonnes]…’ –Terminal Six, Halo 3

    The Dreadnought is 37,654 tons in weight.’

    1) “Do you think the Forerunner, or any race for that matter, would benefit by arming their economic trading craft with large, expensive and highly unwieldy weaponry?”

    This cracked me up, seriously. Large, expensive and highly unwieldy weaponry? LOL.

    2) It does not once state that of all the ships mentioned, any were outweighed by the Dreadnought.
    3) I think you got it backwards.

    ‘The event in question also took place during the last ditch fight to activate the Halo array, they (Forerunners) were throwing craft at the Flood as canon fodder. The Forerunner had become so desperate to delay their enemies that they were willingly throwing civilian shuttles into the path of the Flood. Hardly a sound military strategy.’

    Actually, it was the Flood that were throwing the huge number of transport ships and military warships at the Forerunners, who were vastly outnumbered.

    4) It is consistent with Flood tactics.

    In reality, the statement by Offensive Bias was so ambiguous that it could be interpreted in many ways.

  40. Locutus January 4, 2009 at 9:56 am -      #140

    “we are talking about uni vs uni a universe goes on forever”

    We are only talking about the known species in both universes.

  41. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN! January 4, 2009 at 2:20 pm -      #141

    hey im just stating a fact it does say uni vs uni.

  42. L-W January 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm -      #142

    Now you’re just digging a hole for yourself Spartan. Ask the admin if you must, but we’re discussing the respective universes within the context of the narrative (Canon races present), not the entire physical quantification of the actual Universe itself.

    Look, you decided to play with the big boys and you’re feelings were hurt, but that’s your own fault. Now go and argue a case that you CAN support.

    – – –

    “illogical, in my opinion, since the Forerunner could manufacture small localized slipspace containment units that could be moved around.”

    Which is still not a practical application since it’s not economically viable within the context of overall slipspace travel. As we can witness from several constructs (Such as the Gas mine), Forerunners still used conventional methods of containment, storage, facilitation and transport. When you consider that materials still have to be conventionally stored for any voyage en mass, it stands to reason that Transport ships would be exponentially larger than Military vessels.

    I would say that your logic is irrelevant, inflammatory and bordering on conjecture without so much of a means of conferable proof.

    Either way, generalized logic is dictated by extrapolation of individual results, meaning that even a relatively modern human clime can still act as an effective paradigm within the context of even an inter-galactic Empire. To which I state it is still logical for the Forerunner to still use vastly larger slipspace capable transport ships for the export of traded goods across a Galactic Empire numbering the upper millions, requiring materials on a daily basis to guarantee even the basic standards of survival.

    The Forerunner are not above logistics.

    – – –

    I find it odd that it got a laugh out of you (Simple minds, simple pleasures), but you do realize that anything beyond small armaments IS expensive for a transport ship as well highly dangerous and illogical.

    I recently assisted in a joint RAAF/RAF Naval program with the Indonesian Government, who were looking to arm their Cargo Transport ships in the South Eastern (Indonesia is constantly looking to build its Navy). The Captains essentially blew the entire project out of the water, because any transport vessel (Except a Merchant Mariner) is NOT designed to store or harness any sort of weaponry beyond simply small arms.

    Not only is it dangerous and unethical, but the entire project is both costly and simply too impractical. which when you take into account extrapolation again….MhhhmBingo!

    – – –

    I’m sorry, but you really seem to be inexperienced with anything relating to the matters we’ve discussed. Which is especially consistent with your constant use of conjecture to achieve anything.

  43. TL January 5, 2009 at 1:43 am -      #143

    The gas mine on Threshold was compromised and used by the supposed Covenant Heretics dwelling there, so I won’t be surprised that everything was stored conventionally.

    To date, it is the only gas mine ever observed. Therefore, it isn’t a really good example.

    Uh, not once is it mentioned that the Forerunner transport ships were armed with any weapons.

    It was a conjecture on your part that they were armed with weapons, which to date, no information have ever been given to prove it..

    My point is, you can’t even prove that they were armed. Yet you go on to speculate that the weapons they ‘possess’ were large, unwieldy, and expensive.

    Even small armaments are not allowed to be purchased by the citizens in my country, so I won’t have any experience on them. Granted, I’m not as experienced on as many things as you are, WH40K included. But I make my conjectures based on what I do know, and I’m not above making mistakes.

  44. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 5, 2009 at 9:02 am -      #144

    “Imagine over 200km worth of interlaced weapons batteries firing 300 meter long bolts of Plasma every few seconds in continuous salvos. There is a reason WH40K is considered far too overpowered by many respective sci-fi fans.”-LW

    Yes, ridiculously so!

    Moving on, face it, Halo cannot win. EVER!!!

    L-W, get your tux out, I think it’s time you got another BankGambling Award for brilliance!

  45. TL January 5, 2009 at 9:37 am -      #145

    “Moving on, face it, Halo cannot win. EVER!!!”

    If that is not a comment directed at me, then I apologize.

    I’ve never disputed for once the fact that the Halo universe will lose. The C’tans or the Chaos Gods alone could probably see to that.

  46. L-W January 6, 2009 at 5:01 am -      #146

    “Uh, not once is it mentioned that the Forerunner transport ships were armed with any weapons.”

    Not once did I actually say that, in fact I stated previously that it would be impractical and illogical for them to use anything but small arms in an instance where they were forced to repel a boarding party, or any other potential hostile threat (For some reason I cannot free myself of the Space Pirate concept).

    Even tug boat Captains carry a Shotgun for “Just in case”.

    “It was a conjecture on your part that they were armed with weapons, which to date, no information have ever been given to prove it..”

    See above.

    “My point is, you can’t even prove that they were armed. Yet you go on to speculate that the weapons they ‘possess’ were large, unwieldy, and expensive.”

    Notice I previously made a distinction between ‘Small Arms’ and Weapons. In the case of Naval terminology, a weapon is an on board vessel mounted device designed for repelling opposing vessels and acting as an offensive application against enemy vehicles. Small arms are specifically that, firearms that can be operated by infantry or crew that are used during on board defensive actions, boarding opposing vessels and enforcing civil or Military law upon the crew and cargo of a ship.

    For a Commercial trading/transport vehicle with no more than a handful of crew at most designed to reap the exponential capacity of an individual economic transport ship. Any ship mounted weaponry that require specialized training to operate (Firearms require only a few hours of use, 50mm anti-ship cannons require years) and repair, a potentially dangerous magazine storage (Whether you use Plasma or Kinetic slugs, storing live ammunition is dangerous) and a ship that is not graded in mounting ship to ship weaponry (Considering the strength of the Dreadnought armor, equally potent weaponry would be required in fleet engagements)…

    Would all be too economically overwhelming in an instance where a locked cabinet, or a few armed droids can suffice for security.

    – – –

    As I stated in my original post declaring the gross tonnage of transport vessels.

    The Forerunner attempts at Micro-Dyson spheres were far too experimental for commercial shipping and teleportation was limited to a series of inter-connected grids located within individual sites of strategic importance that shared the same physical space (Individual Halos).

    Given the current evidence, exponentially large transport craft capable of slipspace travel are still the most practical means of creating an interlinked trade route amongst the unified Forerunner systems dependent on the exports of other star systems.

  47. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN January 6, 2009 at 10:29 am -      #147

    really? Again I stress that this is only a game a book a idea whatever you wanna call it so no I didn’t “get my feelings hurt” the only reason i said anything was just for intertament which i got a lot of from this. i mean really, do you think i would get my feelings hurt by a little disscusion about 2 different MADE UP universes?
    if you do you are a complete and total retard and i would see no further point in disscusing this besides the point of pure entertainment.

  48. TL January 6, 2009 at 10:42 am -      #148

    Now that puts everything in perspective.

    I’m also forced to agree with your conclusion that the Forerunner’s attempts at creating Micro-Dyson spheres are at an experimental stage, since Onyx was the only example being discovered to date. However much I don’t like it.

    Yeah… Good work there in dismantling all the arguments.

    I’m signing off now, as I have to hurry off to do a music assignment.

  49. The One Sin January 6, 2009 at 7:15 pm -      #149

    So. Before this site I had only heard the name Warhammer 40k. But L-W got me so intrigued that I did a few wiki searches and All I can say is God Damn! Let me sum up any debat that Warhammer 40k is involved in. It Absolutely, undeniably, owns. Any thing that has anything to do Warhammer 40k beats pretty much anything except say god, sephiroth,and themselves.

  50. AlphaCommando January 6, 2009 at 9:24 pm -      #150

    Warhammer 40K is a pretty overkill universe when comparing it to others, even SW…But that’s why we love it. It perfectly blends so many kinds of sci-fi, fantasy (in a way), and just some other plain cool stuff seen nowhere in any other sci-fi universe.

    Now if you please; I have to finish painting these Tau Hammerheads and Dark Angels Dreadnoughts….

    :P

  51. Locutus January 6, 2009 at 9:28 pm -      #151

    “Warhammer 40k beats pretty much anything except say god, sephiroth,and themselves.”

    Your saying that the combined powers of the gods of 40k would not be able to destroy Sephiroth? Please.

  52. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 12, 2009 at 8:23 pm -      #152

    Locutus, I think he was taking the mick!

  53. Max January 13, 2009 at 2:54 am -      #153

    space marines winrar. imperium winrar. chaos winrar. The boardgame winrar. and Dark Haeresy winrar. I will never play more a gvideogamme or any PAP RPG or wargamme than I played 40k and will continue to do so and not to mention Dark Heresy.

  54. Bouncl January 14, 2009 at 10:33 pm -      #154

    I’m just going to put this out there as theoretical speculation. And I’d like to here some honest answers, the WH40K Universe seems fantastically overpowered, so without any gods, psykers, etc. Lets assume that we have a forerunner fleet up against say, an Imperium fleet. Whats to stop the Forerunners from simply using opening slipspace rifts into the heart of a star, and then causing it to go supernova, as soon as they arrive? Even to the point where it condenses into a black hole? Also, lets take Onyx for example. One factory world. It was capable of producing more sentinels then there were humans in a week-ish amount of time. What if they had more? Could conventional forces stand against them?

  55. L-W January 14, 2009 at 11:35 pm -      #155

    To answer you questions Bound:

    1) Considering a common tactic for Imperium fleets is to deliberately ignite supernovas in instances where the cost of reclaiming a sector is too great, I would say that they have this angle covered.

    But are you suggesting that an entire fleet is going to compact itself within a relatively short distance of a nearby star? Or not have their warp shields active and ready to jump just as the Forerunner managed to deliberately catch them off guard in the lengthy process of consuming a star? Or that the larger ships, that rely upon black holes and astral bodies for energy, are even going to be effected?

    And this is just the Imperium, I have yet to mention the capabilities of other factions, who can undo entire systems with just their thoughts alone.

    2) As pointed out in a previous discussion, Sentinels don’t add to the overall combat prowess of the side in possession. They have limited stellar maneuverability and are culpable to only minor local engagements.

    In a war dictated by interstellar bombardment, the Sentinels really do play only a limited role.

    So no, even in a conventional combat the Halo forces would never stand a chance.

  56. Bouncl January 15, 2009 at 4:09 pm -      #156

    Alright, I realize that normally the Halo universe doesn’t really stand a chance, but what is the weakest link in the 40k Universe? The best weakness to attack?

  57. Jwlynas January 15, 2009 at 4:29 pm -      #157

    The weakest link?

    The best chance you have of beating the W40k Universe is sitting far back and watching it slowly but surely destroy itself.

    And then kill yourself, because whichever race “wins” the battle for that universe will be coming for you. At least with death at your own hands you can claim you didn’t lose to them.

  58. Matapiojo January 15, 2009 at 5:05 pm -      #158

    “Alright, I realize that normally the Halo universe doesn’t really stand a chance, but what is the weakest link in the 40k Universe? The best weakness to attack?”

    You are trying to single out a vain hope of Halo gaining a victory through unrealistic means.

    There are many, many sentient beings in 40K universe. So far we have only discussed the current active factions from the table-top version of the game.

    In a universe filled with several dozen organized species that can each completely snuff the life out of the Haloverse, there is little for you to hope. NONE is “weak enough” for Haloverse to beat first in hopes of a momentous snowball effect.

    These are the current game incarnation’s factions, each with many sub-factions):

    -Imperium of Man (Index Astartes / Imperial Guard / Ordos)
    -Chaos (Traitor Legions / Warp Daemons / Lost and the Damned)
    -Tyranid Hive (these are many)
    -Ork Waaagh! (these are even more)
    -C’Tan / Necron
    -Craftworld Eldar
    -Tau Empire (Tau / Kroot / Vespid / Human Auxiliaries / Abbidon / Xiati)
    -Dark Eldar

    These are some of the factions NOT in use by the game in its current incarnation. Mind you that they are not used due to the complexity of maintaining an evolving game, not because they are inactive in canon. Each one is closely as powerful as the ones above, if not more so in some cases:

    -Slaan (believed to be the creators of the Orks and decedents of the Old Ones)
    -Enslavers (Psyrens / Krell / Dominators / Puppeteers…Pretty much the reason why the C’Tan wen into hibernation because they extinguished almost all life on the universe including the powerful Old Ones. Beleived to be the source of where the Chaos Gods evolved from)
    -Demiurg (Squats)
    -Gykon
    -Hrud
    -Keylekid
    -Jakaero
    -Tushepta

    See where I’m going with this? 40K is EXTREMELY overpowered for a reason. It taps into the imaginations of those of us who are sick and tired of the same old song that is the Haloverse and other universe settings that are attempted in an already saturated sci-fi medium.

    Just stop grasping. Halo is done for.

  59. Bouncl January 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm -      #159

    Nothing at all?

  60. AlphaCommando January 15, 2009 at 8:17 pm -      #160

    Yes, nothing at all.

  61. Space marine January 15, 2009 at 9:45 pm -      #161

    Now, We wait…

    Where is the next fanboy?

  62. L-W January 16, 2009 at 1:43 am -      #162

    If they ever re-release the Warhammer 40K boardgames to follow the canonical rules; it would be so expensive that only the top ten richest men in the world could afford to play, would require a simulated battlefield several miles in length, an Army of servants, analysts, observers and strategists to even function and a small countries worth of industry just to mass produce the necessary amount of figurines.

    Couple this with a military supercomputer to analyze the staggering amount of damage per turn, whilst Artillery is regularly simulated and adrenaline continuously flowed into the atmosphere.

    Even then, you probably will only come a tenth of a way to achieving the authenticity of the canon.

  63. Locutus January 16, 2009 at 6:18 am -      #163

    img211.imageshack.us/img211/8498/titan40kqj3.png

  64. The One Sin January 16, 2009 at 6:54 pm -      #164

    Locutus:”Your saying that the combined powers of the gods of 40k would not be able to destroy Sephiroth? Please.”

    I phrased that wrong, my bad. Sephiroth would own some at a time but against the god emperor, kharn, or any of the other higher powered characters I’m not so sure.

  65. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 16, 2009 at 8:14 pm -      #165

    Nice find Locutus

  66. Space marine January 16, 2009 at 9:36 pm -      #166

    There is already a Kharn vs Sephiroth.

  67. Matapiojo January 18, 2009 at 8:58 pm -      #167

    “The Tyranids are enough”

    Indeed they are, Diana. Indeed they are.

    But there is always room to improve upon the carnage output.

  68. Matapiojo January 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm -      #168

    Being a Khornate devotee, the answer is simple. World Eaters deserve to be the ones to up the stakes. They are the ones at the forefront of every Black Crusade.

    The Iron Warriors have even adjusted their tactics just to soften the target’s defenses while the World Eaters are on the charge. They time it just so the Berzerkers swing their axes as soon as the smoke clears from the destroyed walls.

  69. thepwner January 22, 2009 at 11:25 am -      #169

    This is the most silly suggestion about 40k anyones ever written.

    1. they are 2 seperate intirely different games.
    2. it is a one way balance in power as 40k has more of a larger galaxy then the halo universe.
    3. master chief and elites are the equivelant of space marines and then some.
    4. 1v1 halo wins a million v1 40k wins

    but as i said they are uncompareable as they arent even relevent to each other.

  70. Matapiojo January 22, 2009 at 12:57 pm -      #170

    @thepwner

    You have not read ANYTHING involving 40K topics in this site, have you?

    “master chief and elites are the equivelant of space marines and then some.”

    ………..WoW

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    And most important of all

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    PLEASE do your research within this site beforehand at the very least, save yourself the embarassment. Even if you dont have any cognitive abilities to do your own logical comparisons, most of the work has already been done here for you.

  71. Space marine January 23, 2009 at 6:22 am -      #171

    And rightly so…Danm…..This Nightbringer is taking so long to paint…..Save glueing and modelling…

  72. GEOM January 23, 2009 at 7:42 pm -      #172

    What, pray tell, is a “roflcopter” and is “soisoisoisoisoisoisoisoi” the noise it makes as it is crushed by the awesome power of the imperium of man? Though new to BankGambling, I feel that I am a good authority on 40k or weapons or military strategy in general and I can’t think of anything that the Haloverse could possibly do to protect itself from Warhammer. The epicnicity of 40k is simply too high. That being said, we do need to find a worthy adversary for 40k and this particular battle does need to be fought out. Astartes the universe over wonder what prophet brains taste like. They hope that the covenant has more roflcopters to destroy.

    Imperator Victrix

  73. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 26, 2009 at 6:16 pm -      #173

    The thing is, there are universes that could handle the technology of the Warhammer 40k universe, but not when you put psykers and the warp and the gods into the equation. Again, there are universes that could take the psykers and the Warp and the gods, but not the tech so it is really difficult to find one that could fight against both. I’m trying though!

  74. Locutus January 26, 2009 at 8:30 pm -      #174

    Well it’s not just the technology, it’s the numbers and size of the forces. The amount of soldiers and war machines that the 40k universe can churn out is just ridiculous.

  75. Space marine January 26, 2009 at 10:06 pm -      #175

    You Shall FAIL!

  76. Zer0 January 26, 2009 at 10:39 pm -      #176

    One word Necrons…. sry there dead sooo ya

  77. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 29, 2009 at 6:22 pm -      #177

    Yeah, I know, bet that Foundation’s Empire could hold its own against the tech and the numbers but not the psychics

  78. Matapiojo January 30, 2009 at 9:37 am -      #178

    In regards to the tech. This one aspect of the universe that “may” be more realistically matched by other universes such as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Stargate amongst others (funny how those all start with Star).

    For as long as 40K has been around, the most dominant faction (Humanity) has reached what is known as Dark Age of Technology. Their capacity to delve in the technomantic arts is limited to maintaining the technological progress they have achieved rather than produce new advancements. The assigned Forge Worlds focus on supplying their patrons with the tech they know and are able to reproduce quickly. This is why such things as Terminator Armour, Land Raiders and other equipment are limited to only a select few within their Chapters, and why the Imperial Guard machina looks so industrial.

    There are several other factions that are extremely advanced in comparisson, but their numbers are just not enough to make a difference to oppose the beast that is the Empire.

    …that is until the entire Necrotyr awakes from their eageless slumber. THAT will be a scary day.

  79. Space marine February 16, 2009 at 2:09 am -      #179

    Yes it will be so, Any other halo fanboys?

  80. Space marine February 18, 2009 at 1:27 am -      #180

    No…I Nominate Warhammer 40k for a BankGambling award for beating halo.

  81. Locutus February 18, 2009 at 11:32 am -      #181

    I still nominate 40k.

  82. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 19, 2009 at 8:50 pm -      #182

    I agree with Gnat

  83. marche February 20, 2009 at 8:36 am -      #183

    yes,i nominate WarHammer.

  84. Thepocalypse February 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm -      #184

    “Space marines use drop pods to enter the battlefield, Master Chief just crash landed with nothing but his own ego to cushion the fall…

    That would suggest that the Spartan armour has (in theory) more protection as the space marine armour.”

    But Master Chief almost died. Maybe the SMs just want to go into battle in perfect form rather than with armour damaged from a free-fall from orbit.

  85. Thepocalypse February 20, 2009 at 3:01 pm -      #185

    (Last comment cont’d because I felt like it)
    And the enemies the SMs fight are much more powerful. The Tyranids, while admittedly near to the Flood in individual power levels, have much greater numbers, the Orks are more articulate than the Brutes, who (I assume from their postures in Halo 3) are barely intelligent enough to operate a firearm properly.
    They simply face greater threats, so their armour needs to be thicker.
    (FYI I spell armor as “armour” because I’m Canadian.)

  86. Willex February 20, 2009 at 5:07 pm -      #186

    The only thing I see going for Halo is the Flood (not the puny weak flood from the games but during the Forerunner wars) and maybe the Covenant…or even better the Forerunners at their peak could be like Tau. It is said that the Flood has consumed fleets of billions, which should be at least normal for the 40k universe…so they seem to fit in sort of like Tyrannids. They also seem like they a galaxy eater, that the Flood came to the milky way galaxy from another one…so they might have more than one hive mind….it all seems like Tyrannid stuff, only that ‘nids don’t transform people..they just eat them…Flood vs Tyrannids would be interesting….if they could turn tyranids…..just..plain yikes…Flood get stronger and smarter the larger the numbers ..much like orcs…..i suppose like ‘nids as well.
    Forerunner tech is pretty impressive….the halo rings would most DEFINATELY be a threat to the 40k universe….well at least to one galaxy ^^; if you could send the halo into a heavily populated area (which is pretty much everywhere in 40k) it would just wipe everything out. Plus when a lot of sentinels get together they can basically create a deathstar beam.
    But mostly i think that the halo just…can’t compete…..the galactic wars are just commonplace for 40k…..i swear billions die every minute….
    Only the full force and final advance stages of Flood or the Ancient Forerunners could even have a moments thought of surviving. The Forerunners could probably put up a great defensive game however. The Flood might actually make it beyond that…much like the Tyrannids.
    Sorry Halo…^^; I tried.

  87. Locutus February 20, 2009 at 5:31 pm -      #187

    “The Tyranids, while admittedly near to the Flood in individual power levels..”

    A standard Tyranid foot soldier is much more powerful and deadly than a zombie like Flood soldier.

  88. swifterdeath February 20, 2009 at 6:58 pm -      #188

    “Flood vs Tyrannids would be interesting”

    already have it and the tyrinads already won

  89. L-W February 20, 2009 at 8:49 pm -      #189

    A quick formula to understanding how defenseless Halo is in this fight.

    Take you standard foot soldier of any Halo faction, then double his height, weight and quadruple his strength.

    Take his standard firearm and replace the current cartridge with (Explosive .75cal shells/Plasma/Dakka Dakka/Daemon spawn), then triple its original size, capacity and firing rate so that it may spew insane amounts of fury upon thine enemies.

    Remove his skin and replace it with a organic titanium based alloy capable of deflecting small rounds upon impact, then continue to sheath your unit in various layers of armour so dense that they can repel any heavy weaponry present in the current Halo universe.

    By following this formula, you’ve come about 1/40,000th of the way to equating the Warhammer 40K universe.

  90. kano547 March 3, 2009 at 6:03 am -      #190

    if you look at theyre war record you will see that the ultramarines alone (pre heresy)would destroy haloverse 30 planets? pre heresy they took that by the week and i would love to see the look on master chiefs face when he saw one of his friends being chewed to little bits by a chainsword or having his skull crushed till it wasnt a solid by terminator armour he’d try to run i know it but you cant out run a space marine ill be very very!!!! nice and say he would last 5 seconds when in truth his killer wouldnt even notice his killing a hero exept to wonder how hard it would be to clean he blood off

  91. Locutus March 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm -      #191

    Yup. The Imperium once had a crusade where one thousand worlds were conquered in only seven years!

    Does the Covenant even have one thousand worlds yet?

  92. Space marine March 16, 2009 at 1:53 am -      #192

    “Does the Covenant even have one thousand worlds yet?”
    I think it’s safe to say NO.

  93. lebolud March 24, 2009 at 7:12 pm -      #193

    this is like comparing cavemen to the the world of 2009. its retarded to assume that the cavemen have any chance of survival. really, of course warhammer wins. its a pretty nonsensical and farfetched universe without any sort of useful achievement, which is basically just fueled by war. of course halo loses because its not severely overpowered and distant.

  94. lebolud March 24, 2009 at 7:19 pm -      #194

    also, the halo universe does not include psychic powers or gods or any sort of unreal being. but even without these beings, warhammer would still wipe the floor with halo

  95. EnigmaJ March 24, 2009 at 9:25 pm -      #195

    Haha. I’d pay to see just “one” Impeial Battle Barge ( that 300 km thing ) attack the Halo’verse.

  96. EnigmaJ March 24, 2009 at 9:31 pm -      #196

    Its guns alone are bigger then the largest covenant ships right?

    And I think its bullets and hull are also thicker then the whole ship…….

  97. lebolud March 25, 2009 at 9:52 pm -      #197

    oh and the warhammer 40k universe is dystopian, unlike the halo universe which actually (somewhat) maintains its denizens. well, at least the unsc does.

    oh and my pic changes when i change email adresses? sweet

  98. lebolud March 25, 2009 at 9:53 pm -      #198

    ok im keeping the orange guy instead of the green laughing guy with sharp teeth

  99. Space marine March 26, 2009 at 11:52 pm -      #199

    Halo, Meet something I like to call exterminatis…

    bionikmonkee.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/exploding-planet-tutorial_finished_edited-1.jpg

  100. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 11, 2009 at 3:14 am -      #200

    also, the halo universe does not include psychic powers or gods or any sort of unreal being. but even without these beings, warhammer would still wipe the floor with halo

    gravemind is a psyckic but everything else you said is true

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