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  1. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Nov 27 - 5:21 pm

    No chance, 40k would whup halo! A space marine is like a spartan with 37500 more years of technological advancment and psychic powers!

  2. marche
    Nov 27 - 5:35 pm

    OMG CURBSTOMP!!!

  3. swifterdeath
    Nov 27 - 5:40 pm

    they have hope…if the flood can get enough flood infections INTO the 40k Galaxy and infect hundred of imperial gaurd and after that capture as many things as possible and manage to stop the endless waves of tyrinids and orks while they have hte ability to take niether of them…and there only hope is that the chaos gods like them enough not to kill them all…i mean the choas gods might like the flood…some of them atleast i mean its instant followers if they can get the gravemind to join them…

    which actually might work…as long as the choas gods (whichever one that would accept them) promises that they can take over anything and that they can all never die out.

    otehrwise there screwed. and if the flood have the ability to take over space marines…get one woohoo…preserve him so if you manage to kill other ones you can have that one break open his armor a little bit so the flood infection and control him…or open up his helmet.

    basicly halo is screwed inless the chaos gods decide the flood would be useful.

  4. L-W
    Nov 27 - 9:51 pm

    The Imperium alone own this fight. To throw in the likes of the Tyranids, Orks, Elders or Chaos would only lead to a faster, bloodier and even more hilariously tragic downfall for the Haloverse.

    10,000 Spartans? Not even 10,000,000 Spartans would make a difference.

  5. Jwlynas
    Nov 27 - 10:20 pm

    The flood could probably be quite easily equated to Tyranids… Organic, thrives on host material rather than relying on its own resources, a threat to the universe at large, an overwhelming sentience behind its every move…

    And Spartans are most likely almost exact duplicates or Spaces marines when it comes to training, armour, equipment, sarcasm, plot armour, etc etc.

    So it comes to the other races. Orcs and Brutes, Elites and Eldar, Vespids and the damn flying sods from Halo whose names escape me…

    It could be quite a close fight, except… Warhammer 40k is a far more widely populated universe. far more resources to draw on, far more advances in technology, and for every sparten there is an entire chapter of Space Marines ready to fight to the last…

    Doesn’t look good for Halo

  6. L-W
    Nov 28 - 2:52 am

    “And Spartans are most likely almost exact duplicates or Spaces marines when it comes to training, armour, equipment, sarcasm, plot armour, etc etc.”

    I have to disagree there, massively.

  7. Locutus
    Nov 28 - 3:36 am

    “And Spartans are most likely almost exact duplicates of Spaces marines”

    That is completely false. Space Marines are godlike warriors. They are 8 foot tall killing machines with hundreds of years of combat experience, and they could be called some of the most powerful and most feared warriors of an entire galaxy. A SM has so many modifications and enhancements that he can’t really be called human anymore. On top of that, they have some of the God Emperor’s genetic material implanted in them. A Space Marine’s armor would barely be scratched by a Spartan’s standard weaponry. A Space Marine would simply massacre entire groups of Spartans.

    The Flood are nothing compared to the Tyranids.

    The Halo universe would EASILY be crushed by the Warhammer 40k Universe. The Imperium of Man alone would have no trouble cleansing it.

  8. El Zilcho
    Nov 28 - 7:24 am

    “The Imperium alone own this fight”.
    Bah the Imperium, who needs them when you have the Orks :mrgreen:

    But seriously, L-W is right, this match offers no challenge to 40k universe.
    Not with 10,000 Spartans could you do this, it is folly.

    While the Elites might be able to match the Eldar (not likely though) none of the other races really compare. While the Brutes are a war like species, they are inferior to the Orks, who are more then just a war like species, they are a species which actively thrives on it. War causes them to grow, both individually and as a species.

  9. marche
    Nov 28 - 10:20 am

    L-W, i think he means as in they are both super soldiers with augmentations and armor,except the technology gap is massive.

  10. Jwlynas
    Nov 28 - 10:27 am

    Space marines use drop pods to enter the battlefield, Master Chief just crash landed with nothing but his own ego to cushion the fall…

    That would suggest that the Spartan armour has (in theory) more protection as the space marine armour. I Believe terminator armour could take the landing easily, but basic tactical armour would at the very least take quite a beating from that sort of impact.

    Training wise…ok Space marines have hundreds/tens (depending on the source, chapter, squad assignment) of years under their belt before being allowed to don the Tactical Armour.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for 40k’s victory here, but a Spartan Battlesuit is relatively comparable to Tactical Space Marine armour, even if eventually it fails to match it.

  11. Jwlynas
    Nov 28 - 11:06 am

    As to the other races, I was merely going with comparisons, rather than saying “these are fair matches”

    Brutes to orcs, as in large, overly muscled, low intelligence but “cunnin’ ” creatures that employ mostly heavy hitting tactics rather than stealth and redirection

    Elites to Eldar as the swift, stealthy attackers, flitting in and out of engagements where required, intelligent and ruthless, seeing other races as little more than barely sentient idiots.

    Flood to Tyranids as the Biological intergalactic threat that takes the mass of other races and utilises it themselves either as a host, or as biomass that is uses to spawn more of their number.

    Space marines to Spartans as genetically engineered super soldiers in battle armour with extensive training…

    Its hardly a huge leap in connections is it?

  12. swifterdeath
    Nov 28 - 4:24 pm

    actually for the imperium to fight them…i doubt hte imperium would destroy all the planets (why would the do that?) so when the imperium lets say attacks a flood controlled planet of a ring instalation that has flood in it…well we might as well wave good bye to those gaurdsmen and say hello to new flood hosts…

    well there vehicles are gonna be a big challenge…scratch that near impossible so they would just need a few infection forms to get inside or a combat form it get ontop and jump in…and live.

    but regardless the flood will use the imperial gaurd weapons ships and whatnot…so even four controlled ships could work for them.

    now introduce really any other of the races then might as well call it quits for halo…i mean yeah halos got the dreadnuaght…but what the hell is that gonna do to a space marine cmopany!…inless the flood can manage to controll a space marine (possible…possibly) then space marines are gonan murder them. nercron will sweep through them no problem…eldar yeah they might be able to take them on. orks…HAHAHAHA. Tau…im sure some of the humans or other race’s (possibly easy to drain moral ones like grunts) would join the greater good to save there lives…weither it would work or not is iffy…

    but yeah anything but the eldar and possibly the Imperial Gaurd are gonna rip through the halo universe as easy as stepping on a cracker…

  13. Locutus
    Nov 28 - 8:33 pm

    “Space marines use drop pods to enter the battlefield, Master Chief just crash landed with nothing but his own ego to cushion the fall…
    That would suggest that the Spartan armour has (in theory) more protection as the space marine armour.”

    That doesn’t suggest anything. As I recall, Master Chief was unconscious for quite some time, meaning that if he had landed on a battlefield, he would have been one easy target for enemy forces.
    Space Marines don’t have time to screw around and land all over the place and possibly end up unconscious like MC, especially when they are usually surrounded by thousands of foes. Space Marines take drop pods because they need to land on an exact spot with their squadmates and they can deploy as fast as possible once they hit the ground, instantly ready to take on any threat .
    The only thing that Space Marines taking drop pods suggests is that they don’t have time for BS, and that they can enter the battlefield when they want, where they want.

  14. L-W
    Nov 28 - 9:00 pm

    The Orks would probably take one look at the Covenant and think:

    “Waaagh!”

    For those of you uneducated in the Ork language, “Waaagh!” indicates a Galactic genocidal orgy in which enough Orks gather together to pose a threat to every other faction entirely, although rare, it could easily happen in this instance.

    “Space marines use drop pods to enter the battlefield, Master Chief just crash landed with nothing but his own ego to cushion the fall…”

    This is not a reliable or proven tactic and could have easily killed Master Chief in any other situation. Thus in Halo he uses the Pillar of Autumn escape pods; and in Halo 2 we witness him using the ODST drop pods. Not only is it incredibly dangerous in itself, but it leaves the Spartan immobile for several minutes and generates enough of a signature as to leave him exposed to any recon unit passing by the area. It was fortunate that a roving band of Brutes (Or even Grunts) did not find him and destroy him whilst he was vulnerable.

    Space Marines are dropped directly into the area of Combat (Sometimes right on top of the heads of the enemy), they cannot afford to sustain concussion damage at the point of impact. Although it is not to say that it is impossible; and Space Marines *have* performed intra-atmospheric insertions whilst ‘naked’. They just tend to make a lot of mess upon impact.

    “That would suggest that the Spartan armour has (in theory) more protection as the space marine armour.”

    Out of the four layers that compose the Space Marine battle suit, the Carapace Armour (The third layer beneath the Power Armour) is possibly the most similar construct to the Spartan armour used throughout the Haloverse saga. The Power suit is a construct unto itself and has no real equivalent in the Halo universe.

    It is in the opinion of this BankGambling user that a lone Space Marine is worth more than a legion of Spartans.

  15. That one dude
    Nov 28 - 10:17 pm

    Necrons would own the Halo Universe alone… Theres nothing that can really stop them in the Halo Universe.

  16. mike and Dennis
    Nov 29 - 4:35 pm

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  17. The One Sin
    Nov 29 - 5:48 pm

    L-w, get ready to graciously accept another BankGambling award. lol

  18. L-W
    Nov 29 - 8:47 pm

    Maybe I should buy a Tuxedo instead of renting one every time.

  19. AlphaCommando
    Nov 30 - 3:26 pm

    This is a no-brainer, if the Empire could crush Halo, and 40K could crush SW…well its common sense that 40K would lay the smackdown on Halo.

  20. swifterdeath
    Nov 30 - 6:10 pm

    “This is a no-brainer, if the Empire could crush Halo, and 40K could crush SW…well its common sense that 40K would lay the smackdown on Halo.”

    actually…that is not entirly true…as i ahve posted somewhere else on this site that just becouse somone can beat another person who can beat you dosent mean you cant beat the first person…although yes halo loses….i figure best chance they got is probably the eldar or the imperium (discluding space marines.) becouse what ive heard the eldar suck. and the imperium wont just destroy the planets…inless they have to.

    but if im wrong please inform me how both the imperium and eldar could murder halo…as well if IG would be affected by the flood? i need to know becouse if they can be infected…then its diffrent if they cant…its all over for halo…inless they win a ground battle and steal the weapons and duplicate them…then ground battles wont be a complete loss if flood cant infect them.

  21. L-W
    Nov 30 - 8:27 pm

    It genuinely excites me to think about how a Space Marine would tear apart a Brute with its bare hands; and with the Marines being the vanguard of the Imperial Military, the Marines would finish the fight long before the Imperial Guards get a taste.

    I wonder how the likes of the Brutes would react, after so many years of witnessing Human physical weakness, to seeing a 12 foot Human Goliath tearing through their bretheren like a wet paper bag?

  22. L-W
    Nov 30 - 9:30 pm

    Actually, the same factors that determined the Star Wars Galactic Empire the victor are the exact same in the case of the Imperium. Superior numbers, resources, scale and technology. Couple this with the fact that not only do they posess the Holy Imperial Navy, which fields a fleet far grater than the combined Halo forces, but (Unlike in the case of Star Wars where it was continuously disputed) we *know* that their Planetary forces are superior to that of both the UNSC and Covenant.

    All the facts point towards even the *puny* Imperium (Who by 40K standards are the median) being capable of crushing the Halo forces in a single sweep.

    I’m even willing to bet that due to their Combat superiority, a single Space Marine chapter is capable of neutralizing the entire Military presence of a Halo Planet. With only around thirty known worlds (Covenant and Human combined) and over a thousand available Marine chapters, the Marines won’t even have to break a sweat destroying the Haloverse. Once entire planetary Military systems have been nullified, the Imperium could call upon several million Imperial Guards to secure the planet and begin reconstruction.

    Now the Imperium does have a system in place in the instance where Planetary bodies may need to be scorched or destroyed, in this case an exterminatus order can be issued when the price of holding or retaking the world is deemed too high, or the threat of mutation or heresy too great to contain by conventional means. But I doubt the Flood could ever attain such a foothold when a single Marine squadron could decimate a Flood hive; and a Naval blockade could more than easily deny any Inter-Planetary movement.

    After all, when an exterminatus order is usually issued, it is usually against Tyranid fleets or Chaos Demon infiltrations, both of which make the Flood seem placid in comparison. I’m sure if a Psyker could keep a Carnifex army (Numbering in the billions) at bay with his will alone, holding back entire Flood Hives should be of no consequence.

  23. Locutus
    Nov 30 - 10:25 pm

    “becouse what ive heard the eldar suck. and the imperium wont just destroy the planets…inless they have to.”

    The Eldar do not suck. They once had ruled the galaxy, and are more technologically advanced than the Imperium. Since their fall, they have been greatly weakend in numbers and power and are on the brink of extinction.

    You that the Halo universe has a chance against the Imperium because they do not destroy planets. Just because the planet is not destroyed by the Imperium, doesn’t mean that they will not annihilate all opposition on it. The Halo universe has no chacne against the Imperium. The Imperial Guard forces alone probably outnumber the entire Halo Human population. The Imperium would simply hunt down and eradicate every alien and heretic in the Halo universe.

  24. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 01 - 4:29 am

    i think its probable that 5 or 6 sqauds of blood marines with vehicular support could take a halo planet!!!Predator annihilators ftw!!!

  25. TL
    Dec 01 - 5:54 am

    In the Halo Universe, the Humans owned around 100 worlds (a rough estimation) before 76 worlds were glassed by the Covenant.

    The link if you want to check it out:halo.wikia.com/wiki/Step_of_Silence

    Covenant has unknown total number of worlds.

    But all this are inconsequential when compared to Warhammer 40K.

    The Imperium alone controls the whole Milky Way. The UNSC and Covenant at their peak only controlled several arms of the Milky Way combined.

    Superior numbers? Warhammer 40K: 1 Halo: 0

    Covenant technology is cool, but because they simply leeched off Forerunner tech, their weapons are wholly underpowered.

  26. TL
    Dec 01 - 6:07 am

    Whoops, accidentally separated my comment.

    Back to topic…

    Covenant technology is cool, but because they simply leeched off Forerunner tech, their weapons are wholly underpowered. Even then, the Warhammer 40K’s tech are more advanced than the Covenant’s.

    Let’s not even talk about the UNSC, which is years behind the Covenant.

    Superior Technology? Warhammer 40K: 1 Halo: 0

    The Warhammer 40K’s factions can control whole galaxies, it’s no brainer that the resources they could muster would no doubt be humongous compared to the Halo universe.

    Resources? Warhammer 40K: 1 Halo: 0

    Conclusion: Warhammer 40K triumphs over Halo

    I actually like Halo much more than Warhammer 40K, but I seriously don’t think they could beat the Warhammer 40K Universe.

  27. Matapiojo
    Dec 01 - 10:27 am

    I dont even think I need to put my 2 cents into this when there are 39,999.98 more in the mix.

    …….see what I did there?

  28. L-W
    Dec 01 - 7:29 pm

    Fortunately for the UNSC homeworlds and colonies, the Imperium would recognise their minimal capacity to serve the Emperor and most likely absorb them; the price of being Human. Obviously any resistance (Vocal or otherwise) would be met with severe consequences and the UNSC military would most likely be dissolved and stripped.

    It won’t be an easy transition for the Human colonies, but at least they may survive the difficult re-education process.

    As for the Covenant? Due to the Imperiums incessant maniacal Crusade in previous years aimed primarily at Xenoforms and sub-humans; they would most likely suffer at the hands of the Imperium Inquisitor machine, who would proceed to rapidly destroy the Covenant species and homeworlds and prepare the survivors for experimentation, slavery or further genocide.

  29. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 01 - 8:17 pm

    lol @ matapiojo =p

    look, just th space marines alone could take all th halo forces by themselves, hell, just one of the main chapters alone probably could!!!

  30. GEOM
    Dec 01 - 8:21 pm

    I probably don’t even need to comment on this as aside from the one inane, pointless remark, voting in favor of Halo, the majority opinion seems to be in favor of the 40k universe, which, of course, I also believe would beat the brakes off of the Halo universe. There are, hiwever, a couple points I would like to bring up, solely for the purpose of perhaps livening up the debate. First off, I’d like to bring up the eponymous Halo rings. What would happen to the 40k universe if one or all were fired? I personally believe that the Emperor could divert a fraction of the energy powering the astronomican to neutralize the pulse from the rings, but it might be interesting to see this topic discussed.

    Several people have brought up the flood and the gravemind. Do you honestly think that the pathetic infection vectors could penetrate a space marine’s armor? If the flood did manage to take over one or two or 500 imperial worlds, I have two words for you: life eater. I personally think the Halo universe is a relatively beautiful place. The monikers for the ships and stations are gorgeous, and playing the game is like playing a violent poem, but I really think there is no chance for the Haloverse. I’m trying not to be too biased, but could you imagine the horror of the Necrons unleashed upon the flood? An Ork waagh on High charity? Think about it; it would take less than a year for the entire Haloverse to be obliterated. We’ve already established just how much more hardcore a single space marine is vs the MC, could you imagine a hero like Mephiston or Dante? Or, for that matter, a primarch or the GEOM himself? And just look what the MC did to the Haloverse. I’m telling you, no contest. At all.

  31. L-W
    Dec 01 - 9:22 pm

    Exactly, the Haloverse has been relatively peaceful besides the two only known Galactic scale wars; and even those two would pale in comparison to the conflicts seen in the 40K universe.

    The Warhammer universe was built for war; it thrives on and in chaos and destruction. It is unlikely to ever witness any peace or lasting treaty between the factions; and their perpetual bloodletting will only ever spur the growth of the advancing war machine.

    To compare: Master Chief, the vanguard of the UNSC forces brings down the Covenant through espionage and Guerrilla warfare. He infiltrated a Covenant Cruiser by quickly and silently taking a drop pad and using it to enter the Cruiser itself, working his way through each corridor at a gradual pace.

    A Space Marine, although having that option available, could just as easily punch a hole through the Hull, burst through each and every compartment and destroy the vital mechanics to the operation of the Cruiser (Atmospheric, auxiliary power, gravity, propulsion etc.), bringing it crashing to the ground; leaving no survivors but himself.

    The sheer of level violence and carnage depicted in 40K surpasses anything seen in Halo; and the capacity for her Soldiers to reap world-rending destruction is almost unheard or unseen even in the capacity of mecha-Goliaths such as the Scarab combat platform*. It’s almost poetic unto itself, there is a beauty in chaos as there is in conscripted order (More so in my opinion).

    *A Space Marine versus a Scarab, that would be a sight worth seeing.

  32. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 01 - 9:34 pm

    if yr comparin sm to sprtans, its about 20 spartans to 1 sm

  33. swifterdeath
    Dec 01 - 11:10 pm

    “if yr comparin sm to sprtans, its about 20 spartans to 1 sm”

    well that depends on a few key points…

    what type of spartans are they? spartan 3’s…then you would mean hundreds not twenty…if you mean spartan two normal ones without anything speacil…then about 50-100…depending on the space marines, now if your talking about assortments of ones like kelly, linda, fred, sam, and MC then yeah twenty or thirty might due…if there heavil equiped.

    im wondering though how much damage would a spartan laser do to space marine armor…L-W you know alot about that. spartan lasers are tough but would it be enough?

    “*A Space Marine versus a Scarab, that would be a sight worth seeing.”

    well seeing as the scarab has the ability to glass where it shoots…(this is true becouse i beleive (correct me if im wrong) that hunters can glass where they shoot slightly or completly not sure but then typicly a scarab with a much stronger weapon would as well, though hunters do not glass in hte game i know of that)

    but yes if the scarab blast can do little to the space marine in which im sure it cant do much all the SM has to do is shoot the knees a couple times then jump on the back….or if the back is closed off, jump right into it…then simply make his way with little trouble threw the scarab into the back and easily tearing apart the lekgolo worms then casually making his way out as the scarab explodes doing no harm to the SM even though he is in the middle of it.

    “Several people have brought up the flood and the gravemind. Do you honestly think that the pathetic infection vectors could penetrate a space marine’s armor?”

    a simple infection form….hell no. any NON pure form (besides the juggernaut) couldent even hope to crack the armor…the juggernaut…well all we know abou it is that it was supposed to be featured in halo 2 for yanking sentinel enforcers out of the air and then ripping them apart…now this is a major diffrence between killing a enforcer and a SM i know…

    regardless…a single Company!!! could probably murder the halo forces after the events of halo 3…

    overall the only thing the halo guys could hope for is the IG…and that flood can infect them.

  34. L-W
    Dec 02 - 12:17 am

    Perhaps for the lower caste Marines such as Scouts or Neophytes you’re looking at a ratio of 20-30:1 (The amount of Spartans equitable to a lone Marine), but for the higher chapter members such a Veterans and that ratio suddenly becomes insanely lopsided.

    Terminator squads, Librarians, Inquisition, Chaplain, Dreadnought, Ultramarines or even Chapter leaders such as Magnus Calgar have no real equivalent in the Halo universe; and no amount of Spartan warriors could even come close to equating to these individuals.

    And before anyone criticises my incessant posting on this subject, it’s my day off and it’s pissing down outside.

  35. Locutus
    Dec 02 - 4:03 am

    Well it seems mostly everyone agrees that the 40k universe would wipe the floor with the Halo universe.

    I nominate WH40k for a BankGambling award!! :mrgreen:

  36. L-W
    Dec 02 - 6:42 am

    “im wondering though how much damage would a spartan laser do to space marine armor…L-W you know alot about that. spartan lasers are tough but would it be enough?”

    The Imperium man-portable Laser weapon, the Lascannon, is a direct energy rifle that fires a sustained beam over the course of ten seconds; and is designed primarily as an anti-tank weapon by the Imperial Guards, capable of destroying entire rows of Guard Tanks and Rhinos.

    In one instance, a Space Marine is depicted as having twenty of these beams centred on his chest-plate at once in a single sustained volley, which only managed to place a single hole in the Power Armour, leaving the Carapace relatively intact.

    I cannot quite compare the power output of either the Lascannons or the Model 6 Grindell/Galilean Nonlinear Rifle, but the 38,000 year leap in technology certainly leads me believe that they developed far more efficient storage and projection systems in the 40K universe.

    Certainly not enough Spartan Lasers in the UNSC (Considering their massive expense to manufacture) to be used effectively against the Space Marines.

  37. Matapiojo
    Dec 02 - 8:53 am

    Just have some Monolyths pop up across all the covenant worlds. The Prophets would soil themselves.

    True story.

    Tyranids woul consume and evolve on the FLood, but one prospect does scare me. Should the Flood take over the Orks, I think it would be game over for ALL universes.

    Just imagine a Flood WAAAAAAAAGH!

  38. Matapiojo
    Dec 02 - 8:55 am

    @L-W

    “And before anyone criticises my incessant posting on this subject, it’s my day off and it’s pissing down outside.”

    Im with you mate, you post your heart out.

  39. Matapiojo
    Dec 02 - 9:33 am

    Aaaannnddd…..

    For the Spartan = SM argument. Spartans are comparable to Imperial Guard’s Storm Troopers
    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper
    ca.games-workshop.com/news/cn/articles/Imperial_Guard_CA/Lex/Images/stroops1_d.jpg

    These guys are typically stains in a Chaos Space Marine’s boot. Do the math.

  40. admin
    Dec 02 - 10:13 am

    @Locutus – So noted, we’ll give it a bit more time to see if anyone can muster a good argument for Halo…

  41. swifterdeath
    Dec 02 - 3:30 pm

    “Tyranids woul consume and evolve on the FLood, but one prospect does scare me. Should the Flood take over the Orks, I think it would be game over for ALL universes.

    Just imagine a Flood WAAAAAAAAGH!”

    well i cant remember were but Alpha made a very good point about how flood wouldent have a good chance against hte orks something to due with them being like half plant or something? not that sure but i know it made very good sense…

    BUT if orks could be infected then i think the outcome of the battle could be very diffrent…imaging a gravemind…being created through all Ork bodys…i will look into orks and try and find if it would be possible for them to be infected…but yeah it might be game over if ALOT of orks are infected…

    “The Imperium man-portable Laser weapon, the Lascannon, is a direct energy rifle that fires a sustained beam over the course of ten seconds; and is designed primarily as an anti-tank weapon by the Imperial Guards, capable of destroying entire rows of Guard Tanks and Rhinos.

    In one instance, a Space Marine is depicted as having twenty of these beams centred on his chest-plate at once in a single sustained volley, which only managed to place a single hole in the Power Armour, leaving the Carapace relatively intact.

    I cannot quite compare the power output of either the Lascannons or the Model 6 Grindell/Galilean Nonlinear Rifle, but the 38,000 year leap in technology certainly leads me believe that they developed far more efficient storage and projection systems in the 40K universe.

    Certainly not enough Spartan Lasers in the UNSC (Considering their massive expense to manufacture) to be used effectively against the Space Marines.”

    ok thank you thats all i needed to know…actually thats more then what i needed to know…but at least i got to find out something new about space marines.

  42. Matapiojo
    Dec 02 - 4:10 pm

    Orks are indeed a type of fern (or something to that effect). Their reproduction is spore-based.

    Im not saying the flood defeating the Orks is a slam dunk, after all, we are talking about hundreds of billions. IF one spartan was able to hold them off for some time, im sure several million Burna Boyz could very well exterminate the Flood.

    My point was that Flood infesting the Ork race is the only scenario that would scare me from this fight, NOT that it was likely.

  43. marche
    Dec 02 - 4:21 pm

    i want to know something,i heard this while foruming,
    “the C’tan are a race of invincible gods, The Immortal Go Emperor of Mankind can cause supernovas using his minds”

    is that true?

  44. swifterdeath
    Dec 02 - 4:37 pm

    “Orks are indeed a type of fern (or something to that effect). Their reproduction is spore-based.

    Im not saying the flood defeating the Orks is a slam dunk, after all, we are talking about hundreds of billions. IF one spartan was able to hold them off for some time, im sure several million Burna Boyz could very well exterminate the Flood.

    My point was that Flood infesting the Ork race is the only scenario that would scare me from this fight, NOT that it was likely.”

    well ONE spartan can not hold them off….in halo 2 IF the juggernaut would have been in it not just coded into the disc then they would have killing you in one hit…as well made you go flying. but you would have only fought TWO in the whole game.

    but yes several million burna boys could more then likely kill every last flood. and yes if somehow if all hte orks in the 40k universe where infected by flood… pretty much any universe would be doomed. if they retained all there previous abilitys that is.

  45. Matapiojo
    Dec 02 - 5:13 pm

    @marche

    “i want to know something,i heard this while foruming,
    “the C’tan are a race of invincible gods, The Immortal Go Emperor of Mankind can cause supernovas using his minds”

    is that true?”

    I havent seen this anywhere. Im inclined to say that in his current state, no way. Before the Horus Heresy…inconclusive. Im inclined to say no, but trully I dont know.

    Perhaps that super nova comment is in reference to the possible rebirth of the God Emperor (The Star Child). Quite simply, I have no reference to this.

  46. marche
    Dec 02 - 7:05 pm

    i want to know thou,i havent been able to find much info on any of the chaos gods feats,i mean besides making champions what else can they do.

  47. L-W
    Dec 02 - 7:17 pm

    Although the God Emperor was actually capable of sealing the rift between the Imperium and the Chaos realm with his mind alone, protecting the outer colonies of the Imperium whilst he sat safely in his throne several million light years away.

    – – –

    In regards to the Flood infecting Orks.

    There are certain naturally occurring conditions or states that render many Organisms immune from Flood infection, nervous and synaptic complications caused by Boren’s Syndrome (A continued exposure to the radiation emitted by Plasma Grenades and Ordinance) seem to disable the Flood capacity for infection.

    Whilst many Organisms that possess not central nervous system, such as the Lekgolo worms that have a unique physiology that does not allow the organism to access a Central Nervous System or control them to any capacity.

    Orks are similar in the sense that they are a hive of Fungal Spores similar to autotrophic organisms such as Ferns, instead functioning as a symbiotic between a basic animal cellular structure and what we can only regard as a type of plant. It has no Central Nervous System to speak of, no sensory glands, no active spinal column or cerebral cortex and no complex mammalian brain found in Humans, Elites, Prophets etc.

    You can cut two Orks in half, swap over their bodies, staple them back together and both Orks would still function. You can remove their heads, store them away for decades, reattach them years later and they would still remain capable beings. You could eviscerate an Ork into a thousand separate pieces, but as long as you return all or most of those pieces and Ork can still get back up.

    A Flood infection form would have immense difficulty even attempting to navigate an Ork, not before the Ork could laugh, tear off the infection form and eat it.

  48. Locutus
    Dec 02 - 8:08 pm

    “The Immortal Go Emperor of Mankind can cause supernovas using his minds”

    “is that true?”

    This is from the final battle between Horus and the Emperor:

    “Bolts of force flicker as mortal gods clash, balancing the fate of the galaxy on every blow. Runesword and lightning claw ring against each other with a sound like thunder. Energies potent enough to level planets are unleashed.”

    Then later:

    “He gathers every particle of his power, focuses it into a mighty bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He aims it at Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman’s heart. Horus senses the upsurge of energy and turns to face the Emperor, a look of horror on his face. The Emperor lets fly.”

    This is how the Emperor killed Horus. So not only can the Emperor level planets, he can also unleash energies more powerful than a supernova. He was able to achieve his final blow on Horus even after he was near death from the fighting.

  49. Locutus
    Dec 02 - 8:23 pm

    “Im not saying the flood defeating the Orks is a slam dunk, after all, we are talking about hundreds of billions.”

    The Greenskins number well into the quadrillions in just the 40k galaxy. They are said to have completely overrun other galaxies.

  50. marche
    Dec 02 - 9:34 pm

    ah i just read it somewhere else

    “When Horus fought the God-Emperor, he was backed by 4 Chaos Gods. The God-Emperor unleashed his attack on Horus and completely obliterated him, his spirit included. He also managed to drive back the 4 Chaos Gods.”

    it was another poster so im not too sure.

  51. Locutus
    Dec 02 - 10:35 pm

    “When Horus fought the God-Emperor, he was backed by 4 Chaos Gods. The God-Emperor unleashed his attack on Horus and completely obliterated him, his spirit included. He also managed to drive back the 4 Chaos Gods.”

    Yes that is true. The Chaos Gods were feeding power into Horus during the battle. When the Emperor was just about to destroy Horus, the forces of Chaos retreated from body.
    The Emperor could have easily beaten Horus, but his love for his favorite son made him restrain his power. He unleashed his true power once he saw that Horus was lost to Chaos.

  52. Onesidedfight
    Dec 03 - 4:58 pm

    But what of mc luck? He would step on the battlefield, and the 40k piolts on there ships would laugh so hard at his puny attempt that they would accdietly crash with a piolt of a differnt race. The races, thinking this was no accdient, would begin a war between themselfs. Then they would totally froget about the halo unverise, who would take the thecnolgey from the destroyed ships and use it to gain an edge. The 40k people would come back to halo and find that every one had been upgraded. That the halo army was just to big for them. The god like creatures you talk about would decide that halo was better then 40k. YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE!!!!!

  53. Matapiojo
    Dec 03 - 5:13 pm

    @Onesidedfight

    You give me nosebleeds, buddy.

  54. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 03 - 5:27 pm

    I was thinking a basic Blood Angel or Ultramarine Trooper with standard weaponry against twenty Mk VI (or the same level as Master Chief) level Spartans with heavy weapons!

  55. L-W
    Dec 03 - 7:09 pm

    I wonder how a Spartan tastes?

    As we all know Space Marines enjoy eating their opponents in the midst of combat, after they’ve blinded and incapacitated them with their acidic spit of course; so imagine a Squad sitting atop the remains of High Charity, roasting an Elite over an open top plasma fire and sharing stories of their home worlds.

    When I say Space Marines would eat through the Halo uiverse, I mean it. Literally.

  56. L-W
    Dec 03 - 7:43 pm

    “I was thinking a basic Blood Angel or Ultramarine Trooper with standard weaponry against twenty Mk VI (or the same level as Master Chief) level Spartans with heavy weapons!” – =[BF]=JimmieRox

    I have disagree there, even basic Troopers such as Ultramarine neophytes are still far more capable combatants than even a hoard of SPARTAN-II warriors armed with whatever weapons they should so choose, as even anti-tank weapons such as the Model 6 Grindell/Galilean Nonlinear Rifle would not be enough to bring down a single Marine.

    Your standard Space Marine is worth far more than any amount of Spartans combined as combatants; and if you were to look at all the excelled qualities of each of the individual SPARTAN-II models combined (Kelly’s speed, Linda’s marksmanship, Samuels strength), a bog-standard Marine supersedes them all easily without question.

    The closest thing to that estimation you hypothesised is the Scout Neophyte, which by Marine standards is still a fresh recruit (Despite having a century of combat experience). Although he is the lowest caste warrior, he is still far stronger, faster, smarter, agile and possesses a weapon far more powerful than any UNSC standard to which he is incredibly accurate with (Fifty years in target practice alone tends to do that). Twenty SPARTAN-II models still seem somewhat too optimistic in comparison, even if they were all armed with the heaviest weapons available.

  57. Jwlynas
    Dec 04 - 4:03 am

    Ok, people seem very optimistic about Space marines here.

    I’ve no doubt the Imperium would win. The Imperial guard, never mind Space marines, Would make sure of it. But come on people, lets not do the “Space marines are Immortal!!!” thing.

    Point one, Space Marines are killable. Tyranids do it, Orks do it, Imperial Guard do it, Eldar do it, Necrons do it…other marines definitely do it. Everyone kills marines, be they Imperium or Space marine, so they are killable. Some scouts have a century of experience, some have around twenty, some are scouts not because of their lack of ability but their skill at stealth, infiltration and marksmenship.

    If an orc can hack through Space marine armour with a Crude axe by virtue of being strong to the point of obscenity, then small arms fire will do so eventually as well. It would take a long time but it can be done.

    The Spartans are elite fighting forces, so lets not say that they’ll die without a fight. They will die, but they’ll most likely take a few marines with them. Elites much the same, if not more due to their stealth technology which the Eldar have proved work on marines and energy weapons which I presume have around the same effect as power weapons.

    Again, I’m not saying the halo universe stands a chance in hell, it doesn’t. For every Halo ring there is a Blackstone fortress, for every master chief there are numerous chapter masters who win without even causing a sweat, for every sergent Johnson there is a Yarrick.

    But lets not say “Halo loses because it sucks, no-one from warhammer 40K dies at all, ever.”

    Its most likely the Marines would want to re-establish links with the forgotten backwater planet earth pf the spartans anyway. The elites would fins alliex with the Tau, the Brutes would die in a spectacular clash with either Tyranids or Orks and the grunts would most likely go the way of the squats.

    Eventually The spartans would become space marinses themselves, only to die in some far away battle against the forces of Chaos, maybe a few of them would turn… Its more fun to see that universe assimilated instead of destroyed.

  58. AlphaCommando
    Dec 04 - 12:31 pm

    “Nothing is immortal, just hard to kill”
    We know that SMs are not immortal, however; they have endurance that considerably excels their Tabletop skills, mainly because then single Tac squads would be obliterating entire armies of the opposition. The novels make them Incredible, mainly requiring inordinate amounts of heavy or anti-vehicle weaponry or use of power weapons to take out.

    Also I think that power weapons, las weapons and plasma-based ordinance differ. The covies have access to plasma which is a state of ionized matter that does large amounts of heat-based damage. Las weaponry, and the Model 6 rifle are actual lasers. The Las-gun a focused beam of light and the Model 6 a potential-to-kinetic chemical laser, in either case lasers are considerably more efficient than plasma due to their considerably greater energy transfer into the target. As there is evidence that SMs can take multiple hits from 40Ks anti-vehicle laser weapons we can assume that most of the weapons in Halo would merely scratch the paint. The power weapons of 40K emit force fields of surging power that disrupt matter, plasma swords (plasma being the only “energy” weapon used by the covies) merely trys to cleave through matter with pure heat alone which is a considerably less efficient and powerful system.

    And yes, while an Ork can cleave through even Power Armor given enough time this is because of the sharpness, weight or their weapons and massive strength of an Ork. Just because a train can slice a car in half doesn’t meant that just because you shoot bullets at a car it will all of a sudden split down the middle….

    And yes I will agree with you, Halo is stuck, but not without putting up an almost entertaining fight….

  59. Matapiojo
    Dec 04 - 1:33 pm

    “But come on people, lets not do the “Space marines are Immortal!!!” thing.”

    That depends on which brand of Space Marine you are talking about. Chaos Space Marines are indeed essentially immortal and there are nine legions numbering in the hundreds of thousands each. All of the Chaos Marines are at the very least a little over 10,000 years old. The strange properties of time and space in the Eye of Terror make it so.

    In addition, many of them have direct favor from their patron Gods. They may die in a planet far off from the Eye, but magically appear right back in some daemon world dominated by their god. Hell, they might just pop right back up if the God wills it so regardless of where they fell.

    Some dudes have such a direct blessing from their God that it indeed makes them immortal (Abaddon, Kharn, Lucious, Doomrider, Typhus, etc). These dudes have Daemonic INVULNERABILITY. Thats right. Can you think of anything in Halo with something of the sort? Its all relative.

    For those of you who have no knowledge of the Chaos Legions.

    The Black Legion = The epitome of Chaos Space Marines. This legion has successfully brought every aspect of Chaos together, working as a terrible force of destruction.

    Iron Warriors = Masters at siege warfare. They make short work of any fortification with their artillery and superior technological advantage amongst Marines.

    Alpha Legion = Masters at corruption, sabotage, and subterfuge. They may very well already have infiltrated the Haloverse long before 40kverse attacked.

    Night Lords = Lightning fast, they strike with precission onto their targets from the skies. They rule and enslave with terrible fear.

    Word Bearers = Worshipers and fanatics of the entire Chaos pantheon. They unleash legions of Daemons onto their foes.

    World Eaters = Worshipers of Khorne. All berzerkers with no ther desire but to tear their opponents limb from limb, claiming skulls and blood for their God.

    Thousand Sons = Full of Sorcerers that wield enough magics to turn entire worlds into charred ruin. They lead legions of Chaos Marine automata, unstoppable and fearless as they slowly progress unleashing a storm of Bolter fire.

    Death Guard = Plague Marines spreading plagues and diseasse onto any foe they face. Their toughness and rescilience is matched only by small tanks.

    Emperor’s Children = Fastest of all marines, their skill in combat decimates the opposition before their weapons are unsheathed. Their sonic weaponry incapacitates even the strongest of foes.

    Hell, just a warband from ONE of these legions can decimate Haloverse. Unleashing all nine would simply be unfair.

    And we wont even go into the immortal hordes of Daemons and their rulling Princes.

    ———————————————————————–

    I would even consider unleashing the Chaos lords alone uppon Halo’s universe and see what happens. These exalted Chaos Space Marines have survived their loyalist counterparts (and one another) for over ten thousand years, as well as other alien threats of equal power. These dudes would decimate absolutely anything Halo has to offer by themselves.

    Kharn would make Spartan sushi. Lucious would single out any strong opponent (maybe even MC). Typhus would spread innumerable plagues uppon the UNSC. Fabius would Mutate anything in his path. Ahriman would make short work of the Covenant. Shifting in and out of reality, Doomrider and Cypher would create incredible mayhem and confusion wherever they may go. Huron would unleash his fleet uppon both UNSC AND Covenant navy. Abaddon would simply giggle wildly whith the destruction his Lords bring uppon this universe, while neutralyzing the Halos with his Planet Killer ship.

    All of those beings are indeed protected and immortal in their own right. All of them are Space Marines.

    Bottom line is that Halo wants nothing to do with the immortal forces of Chaos. Nothing to do with anything 40k at all.

    This is a righteous spanking. Immortal style!

  60. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 04 - 3:31 pm

    I was thinking of a tabletop Blood Angel Tactical Trooper with a Boltgun, not a fictional Space Marine who are far superior to their tabletop counterparts! There are a special set of Movie Space Marine Rules that were published in White Dwarf in, er, I can’t remember the year, but I read the article in my mate’s

  61. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 04 - 3:54 pm

    or rather I remember reading the article in a mate’s copy and thinking it was ridiculous

  62. arm chair warrior
    Dec 04 - 4:13 pm

    ya halo would lose ass soon as they enetered one of the war torn planets warhammer BUT the all mighty tau empire would make the greater good shine though the fog of war. showing everyone they great ways.

  63. marche
    Dec 04 - 6:31 pm

    how powerful is the god emperor?
    i know he could probaly win by himself but i wanted to know some things

    “At his weakest point, he held off four chaos gods, with his blood turned to poison, an arm and an eye missing”
    how strong was he fighting horus?

    can he also stop time and “unmake” reality with his mind alone?

    is he a warp god?

  64. bill
    Dec 04 - 7:10 pm

    no chance halo would win

  65. bill
    Dec 04 - 7:11 pm

    halo has no chance i mean

  66. L-W
    Dec 04 - 8:01 pm

    The only problem with tabletop rules is that every unit has to balanced precisely so that Ork, Eldar and Tyranid players don’t have to spend ridiculous amounts of money to maximize the potential of their armies when fighting relatively small squads of Space Marines. Balance and efficiency are the pre-requisites to any collector based game that require player to continually economise their gaming property.

    Otherwise who would ever choose to play as Tyranids when a single $5 Marine (Historically) is capable of destroying up to $300-400 worth of Tyranid units?

    And that’s why when I make these comparisons, I go by the Novels and Codex, just so I can actually ascertain accurate canonical data without the incessant rules and balance issues associated with the game.

    – – –

    No one here said the Space Marines are immortal, just a by-product of a far-flung and extremely vicious universe 40,000 years into the future. War, chaos and the threat of daemonic invasion are constant, where Humans are raised on death planets, where a 10,000 year old God Emperor rules over his disciples with nothing but his immortal soul and the will to defeat an entire universe filled solely with demons intent on consuming all life.

    The scale of war seen in the Halo universe cannot compare with that of the 40K; and even the likes of the Flood would pale tragically in comparison to just one Necron squad.

    Naturally, in these conditions, the Humans who have to put up the fighting would have to be equally tenacious in this regard. Thus you have the Space Marine, walking, talking tanks that stand tall, walk tough, eat metal, spit acid and breathe poison.

    – – –

    Not to say that Spartan warriors are not potent combatants in their own regards, equally they were raised to exact the same purpose of fighting a technologically superior opponent, but a Spartan would not survive for too long with the conditions presented in the 40K universe.

    Conditions that the Space Marines have to fight against each day of their lives.

    I also have to question as to what Spartans could do to defeat a Marine. They have no weapons to defeat or even scratch the armour of a lone Marine, in terms of speed, strength and other contests of physical endurance and might they are trumped once again. The Marine also represents a tactical and strategical powerhouse, with centuries of combat experience and education to augment their already potent combat prowess.

    Couple this with the Marine Auspex and their ability see, smell and apply a multitude of sensory organs and glands across the full spectrum of light and other sensory parameters (Minute pheromone changes, audible frequencies, slight tremors and vibrations etc.); and it would be difficult for anything to stealthily approach a Marine, especially if you weigh over a thousand pounds.

  67. Matapiojo
    Dec 08 - 2:10 am

    “i just can’t stop imagining MC removing his helm begging SANGUINUS for mercy”

    …..you know, if he wasn’t dead, and all that jazz.

  68. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 08 - 12:21 pm

    dead and gone!!!

  69. That one dude
    Dec 08 - 12:47 pm

    So do you think any of the WH 40k races could take on the Halo Universe alone?
    The only race from WH i think Halo has a chance of (and i mean a small chance) of beating is the imperial guard… But i haven’t done much research on them so i dont know.
    Please correct me if im wrong.

  70. Matapiojo
    Dec 08 - 3:07 pm

    @That one dude

    None.

    The Imperial Guard number in the hundreds of billions. They have artillery that far surpasses anything in Haloverse. With just a few dozen Baneblades with several thousand Leman Russ Battle Tanks escorting while a few Basilisks unleash hell will have all the ground forces of Halo decimated in a few moments.

    There MAY be one race; The Kroot. Mind you, this is against the entire Haloverse. Even then, I think the Kroot still has a good chance of being the victor. Warspheres FTW.

  71. Locutus
    Dec 08 - 3:31 pm

    “The only race from WH i think Halo has a chance of (and i mean a small chance) of beating is the imperial guard… But i haven’t done much research on them so i dont know.
    Please correct me if im wrong.”

    Yea your wrong. The Imperial Guard is the Imperium’s main fighting force and is not some seperate race. The Imperial Guard is definitely an army the Halo Universe doesn’t want to fight. It is made up of trillions of men and has a colossal amount of resources and firepower.

    Halo probably has a chance against the Tau. The Tau are a young species and they don’t have very much territory or resources yet.

  72. Sho'saJon
    Dec 08 - 3:46 pm

    Space Marines are killable….just not by anything in the Halo Universe. :grin:

  73. That one dude
    Dec 08 - 4:49 pm

    Yeah i dont think the haloverse has any chance anymore unless some miracle happend but i doubt it…I think the kroot would win in a war with them against the halo universe too Matapiojo i did some research and they are stronger than i thought. Isnt the Bane blade that huge A** tank?

  74. Locutus
    Dec 08 - 5:47 pm

    Isnt the Bane blade that huge A** tank?

    archive.vexingviews.com/motivation/baneblade_1.jpg

  75. L-W
    Dec 08 - 6:02 pm

    Heck, the Kroot could walk over the Covenant whilst wondering what they’ve just stood on.

  76. Matapiojo
    Dec 08 - 6:27 pm

    “Heck, the Kroot could walk over the Covenant whilst wondering what they’ve just stood on.”

    They would indeed take a second look. One must have a snack after all.

    Baneblades are indeed huge A** tanks (yet, not the largest the Imperium has to offer). There are several configurations to the Baneblade chassis. Regardless, Haloverse wants nothing to do with even one of those.

  77. Sho'saJon
    Dec 09 - 5:04 am

    Does anyone even need to mention battle titans?

  78. Matapiojo
    Dec 09 - 5:49 am

    “Does anyone even need to mention battle titans?”

    Nope. Not really.

  79. marche
    Dec 09 - 10:43 am

    “Isnt the Bane blade that huge A** tank?

    archive.vexingviews.com/motivation/baneblade_1.jpg”

    ridiculous,yet cool

  80. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 09 - 10:46 am

    Do you know what would be a awsome spectical? A Carniflex (for example Old One Eye) tearing into a Covenant army, pure unadulterated destruction!!!

  81. Space marine
    Dec 15 - 8:35 am

    Yes Warhammer 40k pwns halo
    Halo has scarabs. Warhammer40k has titans.
    Oh and admin i nominate -L-W for a BankGambling award.

  82. Space marine
    Dec 15 - 9:29 am

    And yes i will mention the titans.
    1 The best of the best: An Imperituar Emporer class titan.
    2 there are also smaller warhound titans that are used as scouts SCOUTS!!!
    Titans are MONOLITHIC structures/vehicles
    also the reaper titan with rocket launchers on its back.
    The scout titans have Plasma cannons which would melt anything it came into contact with.

    Titans are usually the hight of the Eiffle tower.
    Titans can hold a company of Space marines in its legs!!
    so If the MC could get close a titan which would almost be impossible seeing as even scout titans could decimate entire citys as large as new york in 3 seconds, with a gravity hammer he would meet a hail of bolter fire from the marines. Titans are as heavy as up to 5000+tonnes Step on Terminators and that delays the terminator for a while 2 seconds

    Yes thats right. A terminator was stomped on by a scout titan and lived.
    Superheavies
    these are heavy vehicles used in epic battles to stop ork waaarghs!
    1 Baneblade(obviosly)
    2Hellstorm (baneblade variant)
    3Shadow sword(official baneblade variant Has mounted volcano cannon)
    4stormswords(made from wreaked Shadowswords with two flamers have super structure siege cannons and two heavy bolters)
    5Stormblade(Mounted scout titan Plasma cannon)
    6Stormhammer(Extreame firepower Twin-linked autocannon mount and 8 heavy bolters.
    7Gorgon (superheavy Transport designed to smash its way through enemy fortifications with ease can hold 50 gaurdsmen Extreamily armoured front prow Heavy flamers and bolters)
    8Vulcan (Has twin linked vulcan cannons used on titans extreamly usefull for anti infantry)
    9Vanquisher(Twin linked vanquisher cannons that use anti tank shells)
    And your average BaneBlade is 319 tonnes.

    Thats my 2 cents for the day.

  83. Space marine
    Dec 15 - 9:39 am

    Ahh… i see you want to see the actual “BIGNESS” of the tank.

    Well here you are:

    length:36ft or 11 metres

    width:29 ft or 8.8 metres

    height:11ft or 5.5 metres
    ——————————–

    There you go. :P

  84. Space marine
    Dec 15 - 11:58 am

    zomg………jimmy YES.

    and Diana I would say that The I.G or IOM dont always have a set amount of worlds. I know of Mar’s, Pavonis,Armaggedon, Kronus,Tartarus,Nocturn(space marine salamanders homeworld) Macragge Adepts Terra(Earth) And the I.G doesnt hold this But Ultrama Is a region of the galaxy ruled by the ultramarines. Couldnt find anymore, Lost my danm cityfighting book. But they have a lot.

  85. Space marine
    Dec 15 - 1:23 pm

    i dont know the amount of human settlements on halo planets but i do know that they are stretched out so far that there are very little humans on the planet. almost no military too.

  86. Matapiojo
    Dec 15 - 4:04 pm

    Many.

    Very, very many.

    So many that litterally hundreds of worlds are overlooked for thousands uppon thousands of years.

    Some of these planets even forgot they are part of a larger Imperium. They are extremely surprised when a surveilance ship decides to come check up on them.

    Really, other than within the holy texts of Terra, there is no real documentation on how grand the Imperium of man really is.

  87. Locutus
    Dec 15 - 7:39 pm

    The Imperium currently controls millions of systems and inhabited worlds.

  88. L-W
    Dec 15 - 7:58 pm

    From earlier Codex’s we know that the Imperium possesses literally millions of worlds, each populated by untold numbers of Humans. In the case of the Hive Worlds the human population on the planet alone can reach into the trillions, whereas the agricultural worlds are limited to only a few million custodians. Either way, the denizens of the Imperium are countless; and any attempt to conduct a full census would require a Herculean effort of galactic magnitude.

    In comparison, the furthest colony established from Earth in the Haloverse is a scant 80 light-years away, whereas the Imperium just stopped counting once they bypassed the 26,000 light-year mark.

    The UNSC colonies would be a drop in the lake by comparison.

  89. Space marine
    Dec 15 - 9:55 pm

    Still nominating L-W for an award.

    I would like to see a fight between a custodian(Emporers personal bodygaurd) And the MC

    But the imperium is also losing worlds to the ‘Nids And the Necrons,Since they are awakening right now. But other then that they still have halo planets X 800

  90. =[BF]=JimmieRox
    Dec 18 - 10:44 am

    @ Space Marine, thats not a fight, thats the custodian playing with a new toy, he’d better be carefull or he’ll break it and then he’ll be angry and thats not good!

    Yeah, compared to the human population of 40k the population of the UNSC is a drop in the ocean!

  91. Space marine
    Dec 18 - 9:35 pm

    Absolutly.
    But I wanna see The halo fanboys try to come up witht anything to beat a custodian.

  92. Space marine
    Dec 22 - 11:33 am

    No they arent….what are you on!?
    They are the Emporers personal bodyguard, they are supierior to an avarage space marine and much more powerful then a librarian.

    Ps.grey knight dreadnaught. :P

  93. theyellowking
    Dec 24 - 3:39 am

    Space Marines vs UNSC
    Tau/Eldar vs Covenant
    Tyranids vs Flood

    This is a joke right? How could anything in the Halo universe stand up to the 40k universe.

  94. Smile
    Dec 27 - 1:30 am

    Ok dont get me wrong though….

    U guys ARE TALKIN bout ONE PART of the halo universe

    so far u guys been TALKING about the:

    *UNSC
    *COVENANT
    *FLOOD

    ….now u People are forgetting one other faction

    Forerunners

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner

    their civilization lasted for 100,000 years now in comparison wid the
    world of 40 k…those guys dont stand a chance…AT ALL

    the technology of the forerunners are near god-like
    they have created Planets, Halo rings, Flood and shield worlds
    even the ability to accelerate a species stage development
    hav u ever thought of what the halo rings can do to a galaxy?
    i thought so…its a weapon that destroys all sentient life
    which all of the races will be affected in the 40k universe (excluding necrons)
    plus there empire stretched over the ENTIRE galaxy…

    well there is more…but thats all thats needed to say at the moment

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_Skin
    by the way comparing the armor between the forerunner and the space marines
    Forerunners ARE much MORE advanced!!!
    the forerunners classified Master chiefs armor (Mark V, VI)
    as inferior even saying the Civilians of the forerunners armor is10 times greater…
    and THAT is for CIVILIANS…now imagine the troops???

    …..

  95. Locutus
    Dec 27 - 3:18 am

    First of all, they were destroyed so that is why we aren’t really talking about them. Second, they were forced to destroy themselves in a war against the Flood. Now I think we’ve established that species like the Tyranids are much more powerful and destructive then the Flood, so the FRs would probably have to use the rings to destroy themselves and everything else. The Tyranids would still be around though since they are believed to infest entire galaxies. Now while the Forerunners may be godlike as you said in terms of technology, the 40k universe HAS gods and all their tech wouldn’t do crap to hurt them.

    Sorry for quick post, had to leave

  96. L-W
    Dec 27 - 7:09 am

    So many poorly used caps locks on such a waste of a post. Was any thought put into that at all?

    First of all I must make something very clear to you. Are you listening? I’ll place the desired point in quotation marks for you to understand.

    “You seem to be making the incorrect assumption that the 40K universe is only limited to the Imperium and several other factions. This is incorrect. It is actually a series of inter-connected universes ruled over by Great Old ones far, far more ancient than the Universe itself. Vast cosmic powers, trans-sentient beings, Gods (Actual Gods, not theological equivalents), hyper-sized super-organisms larger than entire Galaxies, Daemons and even death itself. To suggest that the 40K universe in endangered by the Forerunner is possibly the greatest fallacy you’ve made so far. Everything else is pretty much down hill for you.”

    The Forerunners are at best…A minor nuisance to the 40K universe, really offering no such resistance beyond the expectations of their usual fair. When you consider it only took a trillion strong Flood Navy to smash their defenses and lay their outer colonies to waste, even a lone percentile of Tyranid hive fleet would be enough to consume their worlds several thousand times over. Every other faction, equally or even more highly versed in the art of warfare would make the Forerunner capacity for military operations seem feeble in comparison.

    Now, onto the rest of your ‘points’.

    1) The likes of the Eldar and the Necrons are millions upon millions of years in age, with vast multi-galactic empires spanning across the vast gulf of the Universe that have flourished and declined with great succession. Whilst the C’tan are as old as the Universe itself, wielding greater powers than most in the 40K universe could conceive, even summoning death itself from the heart of stars.

    Whilst Forerunners are busy bringing a unified existence of peace and harmony to the galaxy (*Gag*), the denizens of 40K, sans the Tau, were far more focused upon suppressing and decimating other species rather than enlightening them.

    I also want to point out the first in a series of what I would refer to as pure conjecture on your behalf. It is not know how old the Forerunner empire was before its rapid decline, but it is known that the time period between their demise and the events of Halo is approximately 100,000 years. Either way, the Imperium of Man, being the ‘youngest’ race in the 40K universe, still hold a Galactic dominion equal in size to the Forerunners, the rest of the implication is not exactly beyond your comprehension.

    2) 40K technical and engineering accomplishments are not something to be scoffed at, or taken lightly either. The grand Monolith, the Eye of Terror and the great Eldar webway are just only a few examples of extraterrestrial accomplishments. Whilst the vast Imperium Hive worlds such as Medusa V, or even the great imperium forge world VASTLY dwarf the likes of the Halo arrays and artifice planets.

    Even the Golden Throne alone more than supersedes any Forerunner accomplishment, allowing interstellar communication, teleportation and warp travel to trillions of ships through the warp, a method of travel far faster than the relatively slow slip space travel.

    3) What would the Halo array do to the Galaxy?

    Well, for one thing the Halo forces would most certainly be killed by their latent desire to commit suicide, that I have no doubt of. Since it is debatable as to what level of macro lifeforms are affected beyond Sentient beings, it is certain that the immense Tyranid hive fleet would remain intact throughout the ordeal. Even the Carnifex or psychic leaders would remain safe due to the fact that their dominance over the lower caste warriors is merely a remnant of a series of psychic relays existing beyond the far flung reaches of the universe. The same applies for the Necrons, whose artificial bodies would allow to remain unharmed by the effects of the array.

    Also the inclusion of warp travel would nullify the effects of the Ring, with the vast expanse of the rift and the immaterial warp essentially protecting all denizens under the cloak of the warp (Which includes most sentient species in the 40K universe).

    I must also determine that Chaos factions such as the Daemon lords would remain untouched by the pulse; and the Chaos Gods, looking unkindly upon the likes of the of the rings, could quite easily smite and bring ruin to any such Forerunner design as it would deprive them of the blood lust they so desire from hand to hand combat.

    4) May I remind you that the 40K universe is not limited to one galaxy, instead spanning over multiple sectors of the known universe, the rift and the many alternate parallel universes in between.

    5) Second point of conjecture for you tonight. The Forerunner combat skin was designed as a repellent for those working outside the core worlds; and was deemed ineffectual and incredibly ineffective against Flood infection.

    Now this is where you make another incorrect assumption, one that I found amusing at first. Forerunner civilian grade Armour was classified level 8 by the Forerunner index, whilst the MJOLNIR variant is classified tier level 2. But the only known credible information is scant at BEST and limited to only a few known definitions of “Environmental suit” and “Combat suit” within the Forerunner index. Everything else is purely theoretical and since the only known information is garnered from a single page of the “Halo: The Flood” novel, fails to support your original postulation as to the effectiveness of the suit itself.

    So comparing to the likes of the Marine Power Armour unto itself is not only a display of sheer ignorance, but a delusional rant displaying a tendency to needlessly grasp at straws.

    Since none of suits have ever been witnessed or recorded beyond the exposition of a rampant A.I. construct, we have no means to form a comparative basis for analysis beyond the fact that the MJOLNIR Armour is graded seven points below that of the Forerunner civilian “Combat Skin”. What we know of this beyond theoretical conjecture cannot be witnessed…

    Thus making your entire point utter supposition…At best.

  97. TL
    Dec 27 - 12:05 pm

    Just want to point out some things.

    1) The acceleration of intelligent life that you claimed the Forerunners are capable of is not true. That distinction goes to the even more enigmatic Precursors.

    2) The Forerunners Combat Skin ratings and classes are not explicitly stated. The most obvious interpretation is strength, of course. However, there are also many references to environmental suit classes as well. Not enough information is available for a conclusion.

    3) The Forerunners grasp of Slipspace is almost transcendent, being much much more advanced than the Covenant. Therefore, it is an error to assume that the speed at which Covenant ships travel in Slipspace are the speed at which the Forerunners travel.

  98. L-W
    Dec 27 - 7:55 pm

    Slipspace is still nothing compared to immaterial warp travel.

  99. TL
    Dec 28 - 3:27 am

    Not the Human or Covenant slipspace engines, no.

  100. L-W
    Dec 28 - 6:06 am

    Both the Forerunner manipulation of slipspace and Imperium Warp travel are pretty much exact in what they are capable of achieving. Both can allow artifacts to instantaneously travel between vast expanses of space, they are unparalleled in their ability to deliver vast quantities of matter and energy within the limited confines of a greatly smaller entropic environment, both can be used to manipulate space-time within an individual area or sectors of space. They can also open or generate gaps between parallel states of existence which can be used to create infinite “Micro Dyson Spheres” which isolate individual artifacts from their respective environments by displacing space-time within the encapsulated area. Forerunner slipspace and Warp travel are conceptually the exact same thing (Unless you can re-define the term “instantaneous” when discussing the Universal states of space-time relativity).

    But if I had to put money on it, I would say that an Imperial Battle Barge would dominate over even the titanic Dreadnought. But that is merely the efforts of the Imperium alone, which is not to be classified as the final word in 40K space combat.

    So far everything we’ve discussed utterly pales against Necrotyr Monolith teleportation, which allows individual Necron units to ‘Phase into’ several areas within the exact same relative instance and operate in unison as a unique individual at each relative space. Meaning that one lone foot Soldier can be in a dozen separate areas of the universe at once, yet operate to a full cognitive capacity within each locale it is presently raping.

    Truly terrifying. And yet we have so far only witnessed a minor fraction of their true potential which has remained dormant for trillions of years.

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