Prime Elizabeth Vs Marvel & DC

Prime Elizabeth Vs Marvel & DC

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Prime Elizabeth (Bioshock Infinite) is facing off against both Marvel AND DC in this scenario.

Elizabeth starts off on the planet earth. Her goal is to inflict the most harm upon either universe until she is finally taken down. Her morals are turned off for this match.

Scenario A: Elizabeth vs Marvel

Scenario B: Elizabeth vs DC

What would transpire?

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63 Comments on "Prime Elizabeth Vs Marvel & DC"

  1. Rookie February 22, 2015 at 1:40 am -      #1

    I only know who is the strongest person she have a chances to beat. Scarlet witch.

  2. Xornell February 22, 2015 at 2:12 am -      #2

    Don’t know her, but considering the series she’s in and considering the kinds of beings that exist in Marvel/DC Earth, I can tell you she’s not getting much more than a city before she’s killed.

  3. Rookie February 22, 2015 at 2:18 am -      #3

    @Xornell

    “Don’t know her”

    To give you the idea about her powers (prime E use them without hesitations):

  4. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 7:32 am -      #4

    Wow this was posted already!?! Damn, ok. Elizabeth is a multiversal time traveling universal reality warper being with omniscience. I thought this would be an extremely interesting combination of powers that can get her the big leagues extremely easily. For example, having all of stephen strange’s knowledge, going back in time and swiping the infinity gauntlet… etc.

  5. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 9:40 am -      #5

    The last time something similar to Liz mucked with space and time it got the attention of this guy
    i.imgur.com/JQFCEJd.jpg
    It did this just by waking up
    media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/SM_16_20.jpg
    He see’s past present and future all at once as a default. Is stated by his creator that he is somewhere in the solar system levels of destructive capability. More importantly he is capable of sending people through through time and is powerful enough to pull superman from earth against his will. And this is a versus sooo.
    ===
    DC also has a multiversal sort of police with a cartoon superman rabbit as a officer
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-olUnFzhCQds/U_lPfi3BCBI/AAAAAAAAssQ/bKbPRDvFDtM/s1600/cartoon%2Bphysics.jpg
    Trying to kill him might be difficult.

    Iirc so does Marvel. Actually I think they might have a few.

  6. Glutinous-Bicarbonate February 22, 2015 at 9:43 am -      #6

    Be that as it may, knowledge doesn’t necessarily bestow the same power.

    And granted I myself haven’t played Infinite, but I still think she’s got a pretty insurmountable wall once she meets the likes of Galactus and the Celestials.

  7. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 9:46 am -      #7

    “going back in time and swiping the infinity gauntlet… etc.”

    Could luck using it, last I heard most of the gem were destoryed and the one left is pretty much does what her powers allows her to do.

  8. Jake_Uzumaki February 22, 2015 at 9:53 am -      #8

    Liz screws around for a while, 616 Doom steals her powers and begins using them to do what he wants until he gets smacked back into place or gets bored of them. Whichever comes first.

    As for multiversal guards thus far we know of: White Phoenix of the Crown’s job is protect and heal the multiverse.
    Black Priests patrol the multiverse now led by 616 Strange.
    Oh and Beyonders now…Beyonders (yes plural)
    Living Tribunal
    and there’s like two or three super hero teams that do it.

  9. Cassie Hack February 22, 2015 at 10:06 am -      #9

    So I take it this isn’t the latest version of Liz that’s in Burial at sea?

  10. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 10:30 am -      #10

    She loses her omniscience powers in the expansion. Or at least one of her infinite selves loses it. But this is prime composite Liz here. She would know such protectors exist and know how to avoid their notice. Start small and ramp up over a few years if it’s the most optional way.

  11. Jake_Uzumaki February 22, 2015 at 10:42 am -      #11

    Oh, I also forgot the Multiversal Captain Britian Corps.

    And more than likely unless she starts by destroying completely uninhabited locations she’s going to get noticed by a rapidly escalating series of opponents, either Super heroes, super villains, or some combination there of. At this stage pretty much every hero is either SHIELD an Avenger an X-Man or some combination there of.

  12. Glutinous-Bicarbonate February 22, 2015 at 11:09 am -      #12

    Also a very capable multiverse worth of Spideys.

  13. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 1:15 pm -      #13

    I made this match because it had been stuck in my head for a few months now. Liz’s ability to pull things from alternate universes or even move between universes combined with omniscience is such an imaginative topic to debate with. For example, she could choose a universe with her omniscience where all the power gems are easily able top be taken from various places to make her nigh omnipotent. She could pull thousands of galactuses or thanos’ and dump them into some main continuity. Her infinite selfs could do so much cool and interesting stuff. Im probably going to be thinking about this all day today.

  14. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 2:26 pm -      #14

    “For example, she could choose a universe with her omniscience where all the power gems are easily able top be taken from various places to make her nigh omnipotent.”

    The gems only work within the confines of thier home universe.

  15. Alpha or Omega February 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm -      #15

    I feel like this would be better as a what-if than a match tbh. Just basing my opinion on what you guys said, and I am not really contributing to the match.

  16. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #16

    Yeah, she knows the time and space where the gems exist at any given point in the history of each universe. She can just pull the gem into existence in the palm of her hand at any time.

    What’s the difference between a scenario and a what if match AO?

  17. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 3:24 pm -      #17

    “Yeah, she knows the time and space where the gems exist at any given point in the history of each universe. She can just pull the gem into existence in the palm of her hand at any time.”

    Yeah but the gems in some universe either are not as powerful, don’t exist; or are destroyed.

  18. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 3:34 pm -      #18

    That’s where the time travel works its magic. In the video posted above, she casually waves her hand and drags herself, Booker, and the songbird some 20 years into the future at the bottom of the ocean. Many times in the game’s story, liz brings Booker to the past and future dozens of times.

  19. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm -      #19

    “That’s where the time travel works its magic.”

    BankGambling rules on time travel aside, she’d essentially create an alternate universe and now those gems no longer work in the future she just came from. Which probably won’t be lasting long considering the current crisis where entire universes are being destroyed.

  20. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 4:03 pm -      #20

    This is a scenerio, not a vs match. History exists in either marvel or dc prior to her arrival. So how would moving these gems either further into the future or backwards in time create a new universe where the gems wouldn’t work? And with the current stuff going on in marvel, she could just choose an place back in time to start plotting and changing history. I know about the time travel rules BankGambling has, but I envisioned this match to act out as if she were a visitor to either universe as either a what if, or a scenario match.

  21. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 4:20 pm -      #21

    “So how would moving these gems either further into the future or backwards in time create a new universe where the gems wouldn’t work?”

    Because that’s one of the ways alternate universe are created. Changing something in the past can create a new universe.
    The other way are some of the different choices that could’ve been made. That generally where the what-if universe come from.

  22. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 4:34 pm -      #22

    I believe you are referring to the butterfly effect? Any time any sort of action ever takes place, by your definition, would change the universe. But seeing as how the infinity gauntlet continues to function it it’s home universe despite the butterfly effect, effecting the gems at any point in time would not nullify their potency.

  23. Warlock Lowk February 22, 2015 at 5:19 pm -      #23

    “I believe you are referring to the butterfly effect? Any time any sort of action ever takes place, by your definition, would change the universe.”

    Rather then changing the main universe it branches off becoming an alternate universe… most times.
    Apparently there might be some distinction made because I recall an instance when someone actually asked if they had time traveled on gone into another future. It gets weird because some people time travel and it has no effect on the current-verse like the past x-men that are hanging out in the future but effects the future of the current. And then there are times it does effect the present and creates a new present like age of ultron… Know what; never mind.
    So she pulls the from some other point in time and lets say it doesn’t effect the current dynamic of the timelines. Then what?

  24. pimpmage February 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #24

    “Rather then changing the main universe it branches off becoming an alternate universe…”

    I see what you mean, I have heard of comics where certain outcomes are drastically changed that separates it from actual canon. You would say that would be an alternate realty or universe, but not literally. If something were to happen to happen that changes the outcome of who owns the infinity gauntlet, I don’t believe it would lose its potency because it deviated from plot.

    If she did manage to get her hand on powerful artefacts or tech, she would go about destroying as much as possible before someone more powerful could stop her. Her goal is to be the top of the food chain by any means possible.

  25. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 12:37 pm -      #25

    So turns out the Beyonder who got retconned…the one who cruched the universe of 616 together for fun in Secret War? Was a “Child Unit” Full Grown Beyonders do that to universes…plural.

  26. Warlock Lowk February 25, 2015 at 3:46 pm -      #26

    That was a crazy issue. Answered a lot of questions though.

  27. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 5:28 pm -      #27

    Yea, so one Beyonder is capable of taking out entire universes worth of Celestials…
    =
    EDIT O, and one of each took out Eternity, Infinity, Master Order, Lord Chaos, and one more, probably the In Betweener. Shit, these guys are powerful… And it looks like it took three to take out the megaversal LT…

  28. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #28

    yeah so Elizabeth would basically be a new chew toy for these guys.
    Their essentially at or just below “pre-retcon” Beyonder…and if he was a kid back then….he’s probably all grown up now.

  29. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 6:05 pm -      #29

    Yea… I don’t see Elizabeth doing anything really… As it is the 616 universe and Marvel’s multiverse(maybe megaverse)as a whole is already screwed, adding her to the mix won’t really do too much to the already huge clusterfuck that is current Marvel… Really scares me that Marvel has had these guys all along and are just now feeling like showing them off…
    =
    Kinda crazy when you realize that the Black Priests(which are lead by Dr. Strange)are in direct opposition to these guys and then Rabum Alal is in direct opposition to both of these groups… So the three groups should be similar in power, right?

  30. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 6:25 pm -      #30

    Strange can use the base code of the Marvel multiverse….it takes multiple Black Priests otherwise but in theory yes.

    And somehow I think its going to end with just a culling of anything not directly connected to 616 (the end of Spiderverse just had 2099 Spidey sent to “universe 616 circa 2099″ to quote Spider-Britain so make of that what you will) other than a few characters and after the end of Secret Wars Franklin Richards is going to have had enough of this shit and lead a charge of the remaining abstracts and take over as the new LT or something.

    Also Age of Ultronverse (the alt comicverse called Age of Ultron not the movie or the 616 event) is going up against Marvelzomvieverse. Ultron vs Hax Hero Zombies.

  31. pimpmage February 25, 2015 at 6:58 pm -      #31

    I can imagine liz pulling herself into alternate universes where everything is exactly as she needs it to be. Like key opponent’s lost battles they previously won. Previous plans to destroy the multiverse actually succeed, etc. Use your imagination lol.

  32. Warlock Lowk February 25, 2015 at 7:11 pm -      #32

    “I can imagine liz pulling herself into alternate universes where everything is exactly as she needs it to be.”

    Problem is they are beings that exist and fight on a multiversal level.

  33. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 7:18 pm -      #33

    “Strange can use the base code of the Marvel multiverse….it takes multiple Black Priests otherwise but in theory yes.”

    Yea, I’m thinking Dr. Strange is back to the days were he was able to take on the LT solo(or at least that’s what some scans I found seem to suggest).
    =
    “after the end of Secret Wars Franklin Richards is going to have had enough of this shit and lead a charge of the remaining abstracts and take over as the new LT or something.”

    Didn’t Franklin die in one of the earlier attempts to stop the Incursions?
    =
    “Also Age of Ultronverse (the alt comicverse called Age of Ultron not the movie or the 616 event) is going up against Marvelzomvieverse. Ultron vs Hax Hero Zombies.”

    Yea, saw that a while ago, Battleworld is going to be crazy. Wonder what happens afterwards?
    =
    @Pimp I don’t think you get it, these guys are powerful enough to take on the guy who started the entire collapse of Marvel’s main reality. They then continue to go around and destroy the remaining multiverses Celestials and Eternity, Infinity, Lord Chaos, Master Order, and LT. The Builders, the Captain Britain Crops, the Mapmakers, Nihilii, Alephs were all nothing to these guys, just like a decent amount of Marvel’s abstracts.

    Liz won’t even be able to pull herself to a new universe, instead she’s going to pulled into a Beyonder trap. She then gets picked apart by the Beyonders.There’s no escape from these guys
    =
    “Problem is they are beings that exist and fight on a multiversal level.”

    Pretty much.

  34. Aelfinn February 25, 2015 at 7:21 pm -      #34

    Am I missing something? Why can’t any of the numerous speedsters immediately kill her? I get she’s “omniscient”, and all, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot when you simply can’t react fast enough to use your powers.

  35. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 7:29 pm -      #35

    “Why can’t any of the numerous speedsters immediately kill her?”

    None at all.

  36. Warlock Lowk February 25, 2015 at 7:31 pm -      #36

    “Didn’t Franklin die in one of the earlier attempts to stop the Incursions?”

    I don’t recall if they actually showed him dead but yeah, that was the general take away from Fantastic ‘s summary of attempts.
    Still kind of makes you wonder. Franklin was still alive in the future… and groot.

  37. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 7:43 pm -      #37

    @Lowk Whenever Marvel goes into a future it automatically becomes an alternate Earth. Hence why multiple characters can time travel despite them being alternate Earth’s they go to. By Marvel’s definition:

    “One of the possible future realities deriving from the present reality through a specific sequence of events. One cannot tell which alternate future will become one’s present reality until the point of divergence has passed. At that point, one’s reality diverges into more than one, and versions of one’s self will exist in each resulting alternate future. Hence, one’s divergent self will experience one of the alternate futures as their present reality, while another of his divergent selves will experience a different alternate future as theirs.”

    So yea, all futures all alternate, but they’re all a possibilit. Hence why you’ll have time travel take you to different Earth’s without ever going to a separate universe.

  38. pimpmage February 25, 2015 at 8:39 pm -      #38

    “None at all.”

    Ok, this is getting a little old already. Lets start this on a case by case basis. Who is the first person you think will stop her?

    You guys don’t understand just how significant a being that exists in infinite universes, that can time travel as well as reality warp on a universal scale. She can literally go back in time to any place imaginable and take stuff. She can switch to a universe where, lets say the flash slips and breaks his neck at the age of 8 instead of going on to become what he currently is. Now imagine a universe where every single mortal hero in the verse slips and breaks their neck at the age of 8. She can pick that universe and travel to it. She can grab any number of artefacts from any time in a specific universe to accent her mortality. Like stealing iron man armor, destroyer armor, the infinity stones, etc. She is the god of prep.

  39. Aelfinn February 25, 2015 at 8:46 pm -      #39

    “She can pick that universe and travel to it.”

    She has to start somewhere, though. At the very least, tradition would dictate she starts in the “main” universe. And this is a VS match. Where everyone’s trying to kill her. Before she can even find the universe (let alone opened a portal) where “every superhero kills themselves”, the FTL characters will have punched her a million times. Now, all I’ve read is the wiki, but she still gets surprised by things and isn’t able to anticipate her loss of powers should she “die”.
    EDIT
    The ability to find the universe where everyone died still doesn’t help her when she’s trying to beat the main universe right NOW.

  40. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 8:53 pm -      #40

    Another problem she’s going to have is….the Beyonders have a trap set up that says “hey multiversal travelers come here” its this weird wavelength thing.

  41. pimpmage February 25, 2015 at 9:01 pm -      #41

    “Prime Elizabeth (Bioshock Infinite) is facing off against both Marvel AND DC in this scenario.”

    This is a scenario, I made sure of it in the match description aelfinn.

    “Another problem she’s going to have is….the Beyonders have a trap set up that says “hey multiversal travelers come here” its this weird wavelength thing.”

    She is all knowing. She would know better lol.

  42. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 9:13 pm -      #42

    “She is all knowing. She would know better lol.”

    Then she knows she’s screwed.

  43. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 9:29 pm -      #43

    Even if she does that just mean’s their going to hunt her down like a dog since she’s an abstract tier apparently and…they are summarily hunting down the abstract tiers.

  44. pimpmage February 25, 2015 at 9:31 pm -      #44

    How did a person like thanos rise to achieve great power without people stopping him? Are you guys assuming people will target liz the moment the match starts?

  45. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 9:42 pm -      #45

    “How did a person like thanos rise to achieve great power without people stopping him? ”

    You mean the same guy who hangs out with Abstracts in his spare time?
    =
    “Are you guys assuming people will target liz the moment the match starts?”

    Match rules man, the moment the match starts she’ll either get speed blitzed by characters or wiped away from existence by the remaining cosmics or reality warpers.

    “All parties involved in a battle are made aware of the opposition and a general idea of their capabilities. This means that no combatant is assumed to be at a passive demeanor past the merging point. That does not mean, however, that combatants are made aware of the opposition’s strengths, weaknesses, or past history.”

  46. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #46

    Thanos plotted for years he didn’t just walk straight in and start wrecking shit. He researched, strategized, manipulated, toyed with, he got where he is now not just because he’s just that power but because he knew who what when and how to make his moves. He’s considered a low abstract tier.
    That and its only recently that the Beyonders went after the Abstracts. But they have started killing anyone who could potentially warn about or try to stop their actions.

  47. Warlock Lowk February 25, 2015 at 9:52 pm -      #47

    “How did a person like thanos rise to achieve great power without people stopping him?”

    Thanos has psychics, Tech that’d make Tony stark jealous, fast enough to hang with most, and more importantly knows who not to piss off or at least talk his way out of it. Not to mention most of the time a war that spans multiverse wasn’t going on.
    Liz has her abilities but she’s a glass cannon with normal human stats. Her power will more then likely show up on some powerful, most likely bad; people’s radars.
    ===
    As for DC well they no longer have an infinite number of AU and I don’t think their multiverse works in the “step into one where Flash broke his leg” sort of way anymore.
    And again they have an entity who specifically notes things like Liz, and has actively forced people through time and space to stop said threat.

  48. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 10:08 pm -      #48

    @Lowk
    DC also has the Brainiac Corps and their mission to kill the multiverse.
    Then there’s the Douche Emperor of New godkind High Father and his fuck everything else I’ll do anything kill anyone and fuck over anyone to make sure what I think the universe should be attitude.
    Then there’s Darkseid and whatever he’s doing.
    and new Antimoniter and whatever his deal is.
    And….whatever the fuck Anti-Kyle Lantern is.

  49. pimpmage February 26, 2015 at 3:15 am -      #49

    “Match rules man, the moment the match starts she’ll either get speed blitzed by characters or wiped away from existence by the remaining cosmics or reality warpers.”

    Once again, this is a scenario. Not a vs match.

    “Thanos plotted for years he didn’t just walk straight in and start wrecking shit. He researched, strategized, manipulated, toyed with, he got where he is now not just because he’s just that power but because he knew who what when and how to make his moves. He’s considered a low abstract tier.”

    You know what would cancel out all that research and plotting? Omniscience.

    “Thanos has psychics, Tech that’d make Tony stark jealous, fast enough to hang with most, and more importantly knows who not to piss off or at least talk his way out of it. Not to mention most of the time a war that spans multiverse wasn’t going on.
    Liz has her abilities but she’s a glass cannon with normal human stats. Her power will more then likely show up on some powerful, most likely bad; people’s radars.”

    Liz can pull anything she wants from any point in time right into her hands. This means thanos tech. She is also, once again, omniscient. She knows who to not piss off until she is more than capable of destroying higher tiers in due time.

    I made this match to see how far she could get before she it is no longer possible to beat stronger tiers. Saying beyonders destroy her, is pointless. Maybe she would lose to people earlier. Maybe not. Maybe she can eventually place herself up there with the likes of eternity..

  50. Ragnorke February 26, 2015 at 6:46 am -      #50

    “She is all knowing. She would know better lol”

    This is bullshit.
    Stop saying this.

    “You know what would cancel out all that research and plotting? Omniscience”

    She isn’t omniscient. She’s nigh omniscient.
    Just like a dozen other people in the Marvel or DC universe.
    Except those dozen other people have vastly superior feats.

    She’s limited to what she’s PROVEN to be capable of.
    And that’s limited to:
    1. Human reaction times.
    2. Human movement speeds.
    3. A human body.
    4. Omniscient in a SINGLE multiverse.

    Here she’s dealing with megaverses, omniverses, inter dimensional beings, and abstracts that have absolutely no physical bodies.
    She has NO experience with any of that, and NO proof that she can do jack shit with any of that.

    Also, how far has her reality warping really shown ta go? Teleporting a few people around?
    How does that compare to someone like White Phoenix, who literally holds the multiverse in her hands and changes it on a whim.
    Or to Living Tribunal, who holds Megaverses in his hands.
    Or to Mikobashi, who was destroying entire universes.
    Or the Beyonder, who’s the embodiment of a universe so large, that the Marvel multiverse is simply a drop of water in the midst of an ocean by comparison.
    Or the Beyonders (plural), who are currently fucking up the entire multiverse, and we’re likely involved in LTs death.
    Not that any of those high tier abstracts are needed. Any of the regular cosmic heroes like Genis-Vell or Sentry would blow her and her entire planet to Oblivion a trillion times over before she blinks.

  51. pimpmage February 26, 2015 at 8:09 am -      #51

    “This is bullshit.
    Stop saying this.”

    No.

    “She isn’t omniscient. She’s nigh omniscient.”

    You seem to think you have evidence to the contrary?

    She’s limited to what she’s PROVEN to be capable of.
    And that’s limited to:
    1. Human reaction times.
    2. Human movement speeds.
    3. A human body.
    4. Omniscient in a SINGLE multiverse.”

    Elizabeth at maximum efficincy retains her omniscience into the marvel or dc verse. This Is how I created this match to be. You say she is mortal, but there are endless ways to change that in either multiverse. Hence prepping herself over time. Not instantly fighting beyonders from the get go. Herrr durr.

    “Also, how far has her reality warping really shown ta go? Teleporting a few people around?”

    Changing an entire universe around herself and others. Pulling people and things from alternate universes to her present. Pulling things from the past and future to her present. Moving herself and others to the past or future.

    “How does that compare to someone like White Phoenix, who literally holds the multiverse in her hands and changes it on a whim.
    Or to Living Tribunal, who holds Megaverses in his hands.
    Or to Mikobashi, who was destroying entire universes.
    Or the Beyonder, who’s the embodiment of a universe so large, that the Marvel multiverse is simply a drop of water in the midst of an ocean by comparison.
    Or the Beyonders (plural), who are currently fucking up the entire multiverse, and we’re likely involved in LTs death.
    Not that any of those high tier abstracts are needed. Any of the regular cosmic heroes like Genis-Vell or Sentry would”

    Why does ANY of that matter? It seems you have not been reading anything of what I (OP) has been saying the entire match. Liz’s goal is to get to as high of a tier as she can. NOT solo the entire verse from the get go. I want to know how far she can get, not who she absolutely has no chance of winning against.

  52. Ragnorke February 26, 2015 at 8:56 am -      #52

    “You seem to think you have evidence to the contrary?”

    I don’t need evidence to prove the contrary, since literally nothing suggests she’s megaversal let alone omniversal.

    “Elizabeth at maximum efficincy retains her omniscience into the marvel or dc verse. This Is how I created this match to be.”

    But would she still retain it in the Marvel or DC megaverses, omniverses, and different nonphysical planes of existence?
    1. Why? There’s no proof of that. Why would you give a character power that she’s never been suggested to have.
    2. It’s past post 50, so it doesn’t matter what you say past this point.

    “You say she is mortal, but there are endless ways to change that in either multiverse.”

    Not really…
    She gets her head ripped off. The end.
    You fail to comprehend the vastness of Marvel & DCs high tier beings.
    Elizabeth isn’t the first universal scale reality warper, or even the first multiversal scale one.
    They were all dealt with.
    The difference is that Elizabeth is still limited to the body of a human, whereas the rest of them were concepts, abstracts, cosmic embodiments.
    She literally can’t do jack shit.

    “Changing an entire universe around herself and others.”

    She moved from one universe to another if I recall.
    She didn’t “change” the one she was in.

    ” Pulling people and things from alternate universes to her present. Pulling things from the past and future to her present. Moving herself and others to the past or future.”

    And how is any of this relevant to beings that hold megaverses in their hands?
    In the wise words of Dr Manhattan: “the world’s smartest man is no more of a threat to me than the world’s smartest termite.”
    That seems to apply quite well here.

    “Liz’s goal is to get to as high of a tier as she can. NOT solo the entire verse from the get go. I want to know how far she can get, not who she absolutely has no chance of winning against.”

    1. Then why is it a Vs. Match?
    2. The match summary also says she’s match up “against” Marvel & DC respectively.
    3. You got your answer by everyone here. She doesn’t get far because She gets speedblitsed by 99.9% of cosmic characters. You’re just refusing to accept it.

  53. pimpmage February 26, 2015 at 11:15 am -      #53

    “I don’t need evidence to prove the contrary, since literally nothing suggests she’s megaversal let alone omniversal.

    I am at work right now so I can’t open the video and get time stamps. But you can find a video called the sea of doors. There Liz explains just how encompassing her powers are.

    “2. It’s past post 50, so it doesn’t matter what you say past this point.”

    Wow, It’s almost as if you arrived to this debate sort of late, and didn’t read anything posted before you. Read posts #’s 10, 13, 16, and 20.

    “Not really…
    She gets her head ripped off. The end.”

    Yes really…. People get their powers from the stupidest places. Take dare devil as an example. Take the fantastic four. She exists in infinite universes, so what if she dies in one? That is not the end.

    “She moved from one universe to another if I recall.

    Remember the gun smith shop from the game? The first time she does large scale reality warping is when she opened a tear to an alternate reality by spreading the tear out to replace everything. She did not step through the tear with Booker nor did she form the tear around the duo to change universes. She swapped out universes except for the locations of booker and liz herself.

    “Elizabeth isn’t the first universal scale reality warper, or even the first multiversal scale one.
    They were all dealt with.”

    This straw man crap is getting really old. I made this match to see how far she can get by abusing her powers. Not for you to tell me the highest tier people could crush her. Obviously she would go down somewhere. I want to know where.

    “. Then why is it a Vs. Match?”

    Once again, it is not a vs match. I specifically stated scenario in the match description.

    “The match summary also says she’s match up “against” Marvel & DC respectively.”

    Because both universes are interesting. Think of it like a scenario within a scenario.

    “She doesn’t get far because She gets speedblitsed by 99.9% of cosmic characters. You’re just refusing to accept it.”

    You continue to straw man. I would like to believe she would have all the prep in the world before she even gained the notice of speed blitzers. She would have access to all tech in each universe to enhance herself through her tears. Like iron man suits or infinity gauntlets. Pretty much negating any mortal weaknesses. Please stop ignoring this point.

  54. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 26, 2015 at 12:27 pm -      #54

    “Or the Beyonders (plural), who are currently fucking up the entire multiverse, and we’re likely involved in LTs death.”

    1.bp.blogspot.com/-9nt81yEqe0s/VO36m3ZSSNI/AAAAAAAIJCs/4j3_u9r82Tg/s1600/p18_21%2Bcopy.jpg

    1.bp.blogspot.com/-BClu7m-tGp4/VO36nrOpUHI/AAAAAAAIJC0/V41dbJoVNyo/s1600/p18_22%2Bcopy.jpg

    They also did that to the Captain Britain Corps, Builders, Ex Nihlii, Alephs, Mapmakers, Celestials, Infinity, Eternity, Lord Chaos, Master Order, and some other unnamed cosmic(probably In Betweener).

  55. Warlock Lowk February 26, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #55

    “She exists in infinite universes, so what if she dies in one? That is not the end.”

    Except neither has infinite universes now. Marvels multiverse is in the process of being destroyed. There is now like 10 to twenty now.
    DC has 52.

  56. pimpmage February 26, 2015 at 2:17 pm -      #56

    Ok, that makes sense. There would only be a limited number of universes that could hold her.

  57. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 10:15 pm -      #57

    So Doom is Rabum Alal
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-PYbv9oGiEA8/VQB5h8Pp34I/AAAAAAAIcwk/hqnypC6Hw7o/s1600/p14_21%2Bcopy.jpg

  58. Limbo Lowk March 11, 2015 at 10:31 pm -      #58

    I still don’t understand how that happened. I mean time travel might of helped but aren’t black swans like a multiversal group? How many different time travels in how many different dimension did he do to get that position?

  59. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 10:37 pm -      #59

    Well he did have a high end reality warper riding his cape. I’m sure that sped up the process. Plus its Doom…lets face it this still isn’t the most confusing thing he’s done.

    And Thor’s Beard has gone over 9,000 pretty sure his beard and golden locks alone would make anyone beneath Beyonder level tremble in lack of manliness.
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-64y31oou7Zc/VQB5ichyUgI/AAAAAAAIcww/fMXBLYm5dwU/s1600/p14_22%2Bcopy.jpg

    Also there’s a Brood-Symbiote Imperium apparently
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-ce6E9XnNzJg/VQB6SgnpdiI/AAAAAAAIc9U/elYojLNkTfI/s1600/p19_20%2Bcopy.jpg

  60. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 11:01 pm -      #60

    “So Doom is Rabum Alal”

    Definitely didn’t see this coming.

    Nonetheless… Well… I don’t mean to brag or anything… But i totally called out the Beyonders for LTs death almost a year ago.
    I am henceforth the Marvel Guru of BankGambling.

  61. Jake_Uzumaki March 11, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #61

    Howard the Duck and Rocket Raccoon, teaming up soon
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  62. Ragnorke March 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm -      #62

    “Howard the Duck and Rocket Raccoon, teaming up soon”

    The Marvel Guru of BankGambling approves.
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  63. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 5:29 pm -      #63

    So apparently being a Sorcerer/Sorceress Supreme means you don’t get screwed over when timelines change
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-_rvf8C9Gwpk/VQCVrrzoOjI/AAAAAAAId1Y/qEgJKhZgIXE/s1600/p19_4%2Bcopy.jpg

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