Ganondorf Vs Julius Belmont

Ganondorf Vs Julius Belmont

Suggested by Batz

Ganondorf (Twilight Princess) going up against Julius Belmont (Castlevania) who first time appears here.

Note: Scenario was written by Rookie, so Batz may change a few things later, since this is his match.

One day a mysterious man approached Julius Belmont and promised him to grant him any wish if he can slay some evil creature. Julius agreed and this is how Belmont was teleported into near empty Moria. Only one enemy waits for him…

At the same day mysterious man approached Ganondorf and promised him to grant him any wish if he can slay champion of order. Ganondorf refused, but soon find himself in near empty Moria. Only one enemy waits for him…

Who was that mysterious man? He was… actually this is not important. More important question….

Who will win?

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33 Comments on "Ganondorf Vs Julius Belmont"

  1. Rookie March 1, 2015 at 7:12 am -      #1

    Probably Ganondorf will win.

  2. Nsl98 March 1, 2015 at 7:57 am -      #2

    Don’t the Belmonts typically have Holy weapons specifically meant to kill dudes like Ganon?

  3. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 9:02 am -      #3

    Let’s see, Julius is mentioned to be the strongest of the vampire hunters, so any other Belmont feats of strength should transfer over. He uses a whip that can damage demons, vampires, and even Death himself.
    His sub weapons include:
    Grand Cross
    Axe
    Holy Water
    Crucifix

    Notably, he took on the Castlevania Dracula and vanquished him. Not a “feat” exactly but it shows the caliber of being he plays with.

    He also has a dash/evasion ability that briefly makes him intangible.
    castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Omnia_Vanitas

  4. Batz March 1, 2015 at 11:44 am -      #4

    I had suggested this because the first match I saw on this site was Ganondorf vs Soma Cruz. It was a pretty good one, so I thought this would be too. Julius is notable for being one of the hardest bosses in Aria of Sorrow. at about the half way point, he activates Grand Cross, and it causes Castlevania to start breaking apart. Apparently, he was holding back in that fight.
    Something to note is that these two are weak to each others abilities. Ganondorf is weak to Julius’s Holy/Demon slaying powers, and Julius has a weakness to Dark magic.

  5. Alpha or Omega March 1, 2015 at 3:13 pm -      #5

    Julius’ anti-demon qualities should qualify for evil’s bane and it should finish off Ganondorf like the Master Sword.
    /
    Then, there’s his Grand Holy Cross which is a holy cross that tore apart some of the cross section.
    /
    Aside from that, he can go intangible, jump massively high, fight against a trans-sonic Soma, and has immunities to petrify, time-stop, and the like.

  6. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #6

    fight against a trans-sonic Soma

    To be fair, doesn’t he lose that fight?

  7. Batz March 1, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #7

    He does, but it’s because he was holding back because he could sense Soma was fighting against Chaos’ influence.

  8. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 6:10 pm -      #8

    Yeah, a holding back Julius against a temporarily mind-screwed Soma ends in a draw at best, a loss for Julius at worst.
    Full power for each of them is a guessing game that we never get to see.

  9. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 6:17 pm -      #9

    “Full power for each of them is a guessing game that we never get to see.”

    Full power Soma is Dracula, so technically we do know how that would end.

  10. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 6:21 pm -      #10

    Damn, can’t edit.

    Furthermore, Chaos’s influence was only affecting his mind, not his abilities. He didn’t somehow get slower. So i don’t see why we can’t scale him to Julius.

  11. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 7:23 pm -      #11

    Full power Soma is Dracula, so technically we do know how that would end.

    40 years ago when he was 18? Yeah. You’re really gonna say a 56 year old man would be equal to his 18 year old version? Better or worse sure, but the same? Nope, not buying it.

    He didn’t somehow get slower.

    You remember that we can actually see when he’s going faster right?
    vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/1/1d/Black_Panther_AoS.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120402191344

    So he’s not fighting at that speed unless we can see the shockwaves.

  12. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 7:34 pm -      #12

    “40 years ago when he was 18? Yeah. You’re really gonna say a 56 year old man would be equal to his 18 year old version? Better or worse sure, but the same? Nope, not buying it.”

    He kills Soma in the bad end when he turns into Dracula.

    “So he’s not fighting at that speed unless we can see the shockwaves.”

    Fair enough, but he still should at the very least be able to react to that type of speed.

  13. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 7:42 pm -      #13

    He kills Soma in the bad end when he turns into Dracula.

    The screen fades to black, that’s not Julius winning.

    Fair enough, but he still should at the very least be able to react to that type of speed.

    Maybe a bit under it, but it’s more than enough to deal with Ganondorf.

    Wait- Batz, is this Moria the Lord of the Rings Moria or some other Moria I don’t know about?

  14. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 7:44 pm -      #14

    Not to mention, as you yourself mentioned previously, since Julius is the strongest vampire hunter, all of the Belmont feats should transfer over to him.

    EDIT:”The screen fades to black, that’s not Julius winning.”

    Wait what? What are you talking about.
    You know in the bad end Julius had to kill Soma when he turned, right?
    It’s a alternate storyline you have to play.

  15. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 7:48 pm -      #15

    You know in the bad end Julius had to kill Soma when he turned, right?

    He promised to do so, we don’t know if he succeeds or not.
    Not to mention that’s not the canon ending anyways- I thought we couldn’t take feats from non-canon game endings?

    all of the Belmont feats should transfer over to him.

    While I did say that, my Castlevania knowledge isn’t flawless, are there Belmonts with better feats?

    I’m just curious about Moria “near empty” implies there is something there, can we have a random Balrog entrance?

  16. Alpha or Omega March 1, 2015 at 8:09 pm -      #16

    @Friendlysociopath&wingedlion
    Okay, both of you guys are thinking of the wrong things when you two are arguing each other.
    /
    First of all, both of you are right.
    However, Friendlysociopath is referring to ARIA of Sorrow’s bad ending while wingedlion is referring DAWN of Sorrow’s bad ending.
    /
    In Aria of Sorrow, you don’t see the fight, but in Dawn of Sorrow, you get to play in the fight (though, to be fair on that one, Julius had the help of Alucard and the Belnades’ descendent).
    /
    @Friendlysocipath
    However, it doesn’t matter.
    Julius had fought Dracula, when he was at his strongest, and ended him permanently in 1999. This Dracula had all the souls including the black panther soul which is the same soul that allows the new Dracula Soma to go at trans-sonic speeds.
    /
    Also, I wouldn’t really use that argument that non-canon endings shouldn’t count since you’re using non-canon endings to prove the planet busting Laharl.

  17. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 8:22 pm -      #17

    Also, I wouldn’t really use that argument that non-canon endings shouldn’t count since you’re using non-canon endings to prove the planet busting Laharl.

    No? Are you confusing me with you? I not once said Laharl could planet-bust because of his ending, I used literally everything but that, because it’s a non-canon ending.

  18. Alpha or Omega March 1, 2015 at 8:37 pm -      #18

    “No? Are you confusing me with you?”
    /
    Nope, I never even used it in an argument.
    /
    “I not once said Laharl could planet-bust because of his ending, I used literally everything but that, because it’s a non-canon ending.”
    /
    “Laharl and Mao both destroy their planets in some endings.”-Friendlysociopath post 209 Venom vs Kratos

  19. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 9:09 pm -      #19

    “Not to mention that’s not the canon ending anyways- I thought we couldn’t take feats from non-canon game endings?”

    I don’t see why we can’t take feats from that storyline. All it is is a scenario detailing what would happen had Soma went dark. That’s it. There are no stated or proven differences in Julius’s strength from this storyline and the main one.

    “While I did say that, my Castlevania knowledge isn’t flawless, are there Belmonts with better feats?”

    My main point with bringing this up is mainly the fact that every Belmont has successfully defeated Dracula. It’s their job. If we are attributing the abilities of the other Belmonts to Julius then i don’t see why Julius would not be able to defeat Soma at full power/Dracula as essentially, that’s what the other Belmonts have done as well.

  20. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 9:20 pm -      #20

    Allow me to rephrase that to “I never used Laharl’s bad ending where it actually counted.”
    He asked for all plot related reasons, I gave him them; all of them, even the one I was told shouldn’t be used because it was non-canon. Especially since he already agreed with it and was only talking about Laharl because someone, (who shall remain unnamed) went off on a divergent topic.

    i don’t see why Julius would not be able to defeat Soma at full power/Dracula

    Because he aged 40 years? Belmonts are human last I checked, you really want to say he’s the equal to his 18 year old self? Heck, beating Dracula caused him massive amnesia when he was younger- saying he might lose doesn’t seem very out of place.

  21. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 9:24 pm -      #21

    “Because he aged 40 years?”

    But my point basically is, if your going to use that as an excuse, you technically can’t attribute the other Belmont’s feats or abilities to him, since like you just said, he’s not in his prime anymore.

    “Heck, beating Dracula caused him massive amnesia when he was younger”

    Except he gets his memories back when he’s about to fight Soma. Hell, that’s why he’s fighting him in the first place, because he gained his memories back and realizes Soma is Dracula.

  22. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #22

    But my point basically is, if your going to use that as an excuse, you technically can’t attribute the other Belmont’s feats or abilities to him, since like you just said, he’s not in his prime anymore.

    Not really- “Strongest of the vampire hunters” could easily be referring to him when he was 18.
    Plus Richter is described as the “Strongest Belmont”, and Alucard is “stronger than any human”, so how do we determine how this works if everyone is supposedly the best?

    Except he gets his memories back when he’s about to fight Soma.

    Yeah, but if fighting Dracula in his prime ended in memory loss for 40 years, I don’t imagine him doing it a second time is going to end better- I imagine it would be worse.

  23. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 9:37 pm -      #23

    “Not really- “Strongest of the vampire hunters” could easily be referring to him when he was 18.”

    Then why did you mention it earlier on when it was completely irrelevant to the fight (as Julius is no longer 18)? By that logic the other Belmont feats wouldn’t apply to him.

    “Plus Richter is described as the “Strongest Belmont”, ”

    True, before Julius was born.

    “and Alucard is “stronger than any human””

    And i’m certain they are not talking about superhumans like the belmonts.

  24. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 9:43 pm -      #24

    Then why did you mention it earlier on when it was completely irrelevant to the fight

    I meant sort of ballpark-ish as I know getting feats for some gaming characters is ridiculously hard.
    (Glares at several choice threads)
    I’m winging it. In the name of science!

  25. wingedlion March 1, 2015 at 9:44 pm -      #25

    “Yeah, but if fighting Dracula in his prime ended in memory loss for 40 years, I don’t imagine him doing it a second time is going to end better- I imagine it would be worse.”

    Last i recall, we don’t know how Julius lost his memories.

    “I meant sort of ballpark-ish as I know getting feats for some gaming characters is ridiculously hard (Glares at several choice threads).”

    I see, so your saying that he would be close to them?

  26. Friendlysociopath March 1, 2015 at 9:52 pm -      #26

    Last i recall, we don’t know how Julius lost his memories.

    It wouldn’t be the first time a Belmont beating Dracula screwed with their head. I know we shouldn’t always use wikis, but it said his amnesia started right after his battle with Dracula.

    I see, so your saying that he would be close to them?

    I’d think so, I would say he should absolutely surpass them if it wasn’t for a 40 year aging period. Powerscaling is a tricky business.

  27. Alpha or Omega March 1, 2015 at 11:32 pm -      #27

    “especially since he already agreed with it and was only talking about Laharl because someone, (who shall remain unnamed) went off on a divergent topic.”
    /
    Oh please, you, Ragnorke, and some others are as equally guilty as me since we all were off topic.
    /
    However, I was originally on topic since Mephisto was being used to powerscale Venom. I did debate for Laharl but I don’t think I was the one to actually bring it up.
    /
    Dracula has screwed with people. He did curse Simon Belmont and did something to Trevor IIRC.
    Not sure if he did do it to Julius.

  28. Batz March 1, 2015 at 11:45 pm -      #28

    I think Julius’s amnesia might actually have started when he sealed the Vampire Killer. If we need clarification of story elements in Aria, I have a full playthrough on my Youtube.

  29. Friendlysociopath March 2, 2015 at 6:43 am -      #29

    I think Julius’s amnesia might actually have started when he sealed the Vampire Killer. If we need clarification of story elements in Aria, I have a full playthrough on my Youtube.

    Do you know if anyone specifically mentions where Julius got his amnesia then?

  30. Batz March 2, 2015 at 9:55 am -      #30

    The first time you meet Julius, he mentions that he was told he was in an accident in 1999 (Dracula fight.) Apparently his amnesia started when he woke up in the hospital, shortly after sealing Vampire Killer.

  31. Nsl98 March 2, 2015 at 9:58 am -      #31

    As far as I was aware, Wikis are alright, as long as they’re sourced.

    So Julius has the speed to handle Ganon and the necessary weapons to hurt him.

    Julius may manage to whip out a win here.

  32. Batz March 2, 2015 at 5:46 pm -      #32

    I think Julius’s bestiary entry in AoS refers to him as “The strongest Vampire Hunter.”

  33. Spectral Observer March 5, 2015 at 12:45 am -      #33

    Looking at the picture, I’m surprised that WW Ganondorf isn’t being used here. TP Ganon usually gets the most attention it seems.

    Julius should still be able to hold his own here, but I disagree with him somehow gaining other Belmont feats. Assuming that the only thing that Julius lost was his memory and not his skill, equipment, and muscle memory, that would mean that he is still missing key perks that every other individual Belmont had.

    Unlike Richter, Julius has never displayed the ability to Item Crash other than the Grand Cross, which just so happens to be the most powerful incarnation of that attack.

    He also lacks key equipment like the Knives and the Stop Watches. The only thing that could carry over is training with the whip, and Julius can swat arrows out of the air with his whip just like Richter can if I’m remembering it correctly. That doesn’t mean that he gets Richter’s martial arts, Juste’s tome enchantments, Leon’s elemental whips, etc. Just like when comparing feats for similar characters, it’s safer to just stick with what Julius himself has shown since every individual Belmont has a different perk and specialty. Julius just so happens to be the most effective anti-mage because of his immunity and resistance to damn near everything Soma, and by extension Castlevania itself, can throw at him.

    So there shouldn’t be too many Belmont abilities that should carry over other than what is implied. That being said, Julius has fought against Dracula at arguably his most powerful, so he should have experience against teleporters, time freezers, and speedsters along with resistance to fire attacks and dark magic. Though, to be fair, he wasn’t alone in that fight since he had Alucard’s support along with other characters like that Hakuba priest who sealed away Dracula’s soul from his castle once and for all.

    Anything else should be gathered from what he himself can do or has been shown to do past his prime, which is where Julius mode would come in.

    On to the debate at hand. In Dawn of Sorrow, Julius was able to defeat boss monsters faster than they could regenerate, a feat that Soma himself could not pull off without cutting off the monsters’ power sources using magic seals.
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    This doubles as proof for Julius’ fire resistance, since the background shows the extent of Dario’s fire powers during Julius’ duel. The only reason Dario beat him was because Dario’s soul was bound to the primal god Aguni (Agni?) and Julius couldn’t use the strategy of “hit it til it’s dead” against him without knowing how to use magical seals.

    Julius’ abilities also have clearly outlined limits which separate them from Soma’s own abilities. These abilities include a double jump and a super jump that can only be activated mid-air, much like Richter’s version. Julius can also increase his falling speed to augment the strength of his kicks and movements as seen in his battle against Soma.

    Add in his signature Omnia Vanitas, and Julius should be able to weave around Ganon’s barriers if he chooses to use them.

    Edit: I’m curious as to what would happen if Julius fought FSA Ganon instead since both can turn briefly intangible. Really, I’m more curious as to what every other Ganon can do since TP Ganon seems a bit overused at this point.

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