Team Bastard and DC Vs Team Naruto and Marvel

Team Bastard and DC Vs Team Naruto and Marvel

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Atrocitus, Larfleeze, Annihilus, Terrax, Helspont, Black Bolt and Konron are making their first appearence here.

Battlefield: Apokolips.

Team Bastard!! and DC Comics: from Bastard!! Konron, from DC comics: Atrocitus, Larfleeze, Sinestro, Black Adam (all pre New 52) and Helspont who is composite. Larfleeze in his prime.

Team Naruto and Marvel Comics: from Naruto Kaguya, from Marvel Comics: Black Bolt, Annihilus, Terrax, Nova (Richard Rider) and Beta-Ray Bill.

Annihilus have both Axe with Cosmic Control Rod and Quantum Bands.

Both teams have 10 hours prep-time.

Which team will win?

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85 Comments on "Team Bastard and DC Vs Team Naruto and Marvel"

  1. Warlock Lowk February 15, 2015 at 8:04 am -      #1

    Of the top of my head Helspont can backhand superman and has the power to move and teleport a citysized ship.

  2. Rookie February 15, 2015 at 8:27 am -      #2

    Annihilus was fast enough to react to both Nova and Quasar sneak attack, KO’ed Nova with a single attack and kills Quasar:
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  3. Ragnorke February 15, 2015 at 9:22 am -      #3

    Naruto is literally useless here.

    I’ll get feats for the rest.

  4. Friendlysociopath February 15, 2015 at 9:29 am -      #4

    Just in case anyone asks (I know I did) the Cosmic Control Rod does not give Annihilus the Power Cosmic.

  5. batman3.14 February 15, 2015 at 9:34 am -      #5

    Larfleeze is incredibly powerful. He has taken on Gods and is literally a one man army (with all his imprisoned souls on his ring.) Annihilus does seem to be very powerful, but I believe larfleeze could at least hold him off . This could give the rest of team 1 enough time to beat team 2.

  6. Rookie February 15, 2015 at 9:41 am -      #6

    Blackbolt kills Apocalypse:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/4/49970/927179-blz22.jpg

    Terrax slice planet in two:
    i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w541/Listor3/terrax%201_zpsrndhlqyh.png

    Helspont KO’ed Superman again:
    i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w541/Listor3/Helspont%201_zpsyhg2hrgl.png

    Helspont used his psy-powers to send rocks against Superman:
    i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w541/Listor3/Helspont%201_zpsyhg2hrgl.png

  7. AgentRival February 15, 2015 at 10:08 am -      #7

    www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicvine.com%2Fforums%2Fbattles-7%2Fjuubi-vs-konron-1572594%2F&ei=2rXgVOHJHsqlNr_6gsAE&bvm=bv.85970519,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNG9O2AzSeb0Acod6C8begJ2A8ZMhA&ust=1424099139403616

  8. AgentRival February 15, 2015 at 10:09 am -      #8

    Oh sorry, wrong link
    I’ll post the proper one later

  9. Shgon Dunstan February 15, 2015 at 10:12 am -      #9

    Unless one of the others on her team has the ability to buff some of her stats, Kaguya is mainly of use in a support role… Hell, even then it’s a good thing she’s immortal. -_-

    What can Konron do?

  10. Xornell February 15, 2015 at 10:24 am -      #10

    I feel like Team 2 is pretty nerf’d, having Naruto. Team 1 wins.

  11. Rookie February 15, 2015 at 10:41 am -      #11

    Annihilus tanks a blast from bloodlusted Galactus:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40000/1306583-annihilation6_006_007.jpg
    Right after he is attacked by Nova and once again he nearly beat him with ease:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2382663-annihilation6_019.jpg
    After Quantum Bands were taken from him he still nearly one-shot KO’ed new wielder of Bands but he was speedblitzed by Nova, because Annihilus arrogance finally gotten the best of him:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2382664-annihilation6_020.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/2382665-annihilation6_021.jpg

  12. Shgon Dunstan February 16, 2015 at 5:49 am -      #12

    @Ragnorke & Xornell

    …You two do realize it’s not Naruto himself in this fight, right?

  13. Shgon Dunstan February 16, 2015 at 5:57 am -      #13

    I’m assuming the power rings allow for dimensional travel?

    …Problem with having Kaguya in this fight, is that the OP likely saw some thread somewhere of her Vs some powerful comic character or another, and saw that she was doing surprisingly well in it… Just failing to notice that it was in all probability her Vs someone with a LOT of raw power, but without the right kinds of Hax to handle her very well…

    Stuff like Lantern rings… Aren’t exactly lacking in the Hax department. -_-

  14. Friendlysociopath February 16, 2015 at 6:59 am -      #14

    @Shgon
    To be fair, the description wording leaves a little to be desired.

    Black Adams is meant to be equal to Shazam right?
    1st vid is Black Adams vs Superman and Shazam/Captain Marvel
    2nd video is Captain Marvel vs Superman, disregard this one if Black Adams isn’t equal the Shazam

    Adams, put down my favorite phallus shaped monument!
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUKND6yIkEY

    And CaptainMarvel fighting Superman

  15. Friendlysociopath February 16, 2015 at 7:07 am -      #15

    annnd I just realized that’s not new 52, at least I don’t think either of them is.
    Well, I tried. Silly retcons.

  16. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 7:34 am -      #16

    “Annihilus was fast enough to react to both Nova and Quasar sneak attack, KO’ed Nova with a single attack and kills Quasar:”

    Nova & Quasars don’t really have great speed feats, so eh.
    I know Nova uses Warp Gates to travel cross-galaxies.
    I think Quasar has some dimensional jumps which he uses.

    “Helspont KO’ed Superman again:”

    New52 Superman… So eh…

    “Annihilus tanks a blast from bloodlusted Galactus:”

    Pretty sure that was after Galactus got his ass kicked by Tenebrous & Aeigis, and then got drained by Thanos.

    “but he was speedblitzed by Nova, because Annihilus arrogance finally gotten the best of him:”

    I wouldn’t say he got speedblitzed… Nor would i say his arrogance got the best of him…
    He was weakened after multiple fights, and Nova simply ripped his head off. (literally)

    “but he was speedblitzed by Nova, because Annihilus arrogance finally gotten the best of him:”

    No Naruto character is relevant here unless they have a foolproof BFR which they can land before getting speedblitzed.

    “1st vid is Black Adams vs Superman and Shazam/Captain Marvel
    2nd video is Captain Marvel vs Superman, disregard this one if Black Adams isn’t equal the Shazam”

    The cartoons are never canon…

  17. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 8:18 am -      #17

    Larfeeze beating a team of GLs:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126230/3537540-4840523183-larfl.jpg

    Fighting off the Guardians:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/2/28028/822042-blume_power.jpg

    Does he get his army of constructs?
    glspotlight.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/bnln_0r-23-copy1.jpg

    His Constructs over power Stewart:
    i.imgur.com/iVJ5RwI.jpg?2

    His Constructs over power Jordan:
    i.imgur.com/UyMS9f1.jpg?1

  18. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 8:22 am -      #18

    Larfleeze breaking out of Jordans constructs:
    i.imgur.com/DjFH84Z.jpg?1

    Beating Atrocious:
    i.imgur.com/i1m7Nb5.jpg?1

    Beating Atrocious some more:
    i.imgur.com/l6RZPWm.jpg?2

  19. Cassie Hack February 16, 2015 at 9:52 am -      #19

    He should, I think get them. It’s kind of his trademark thing.

  20. Cassie Hack February 16, 2015 at 10:00 am -      #20

    www.comicvine.com/helspont/4005-40632/ helspont is all three of these…

  21. Rookie February 16, 2015 at 10:06 am -      #21

    @Ragnorke

    “Pretty sure that was after Galactus got his ass kicked by Tenebrous & Aeigis, and then got drained by Thanos.”

    He still destroyed three systems with that blast, so this counts as bloodlusted G.

    “Does he get his army of constructs?”

    He is useless without them (just my personal opinion about character).

    “I wouldn’t say he got speedblitzed… Nor would i say his arrogance got the best of him…
    He was weakened after multiple fights, and Nova simply ripped his head off. (literally)”

    He never used Rod against Nova after he lost Bands. He literally let Nova hit him, while Annihilus was talking about how powerful he was. If this was not a win because of arrogance or speedblitz, then Annihilus is a brain-dead or worse.

    About Konron:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111151927/3887408-konron+0.jpg

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  22. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 10:13 am -      #22

    “He still destroyed three systems with that blast, so this counts as bloodlusted G.”

    Bloodlusted G makes him sound Galaxy +

    “He is useless without them (just my personal opinion about character).”

    Well he beat Atrocious without them…

    “He never used Rod against Nova after he lost Bands.”

    Fair enough

  23. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 10:20 am -      #23

    Helspont is basically to Mr Majestic what Darkseid is to Superman, and thus i think we can scale him accordingly.

    Here’s them fighting a bunch of times. There’s never a clear winner.
    s245.photobucket.com/user/MrMajestic08/media/Fights/fight%207/1.jpg.html
    s245.photobucket.com/user/MrMajestic08/media/Fights/fight%2019/2.jpg.html
    s245.photobucket.com/user/MrMajestic08/media/Fights/fight%2019/3.jpg.html
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  24. Rookie February 16, 2015 at 10:23 am -      #24

    @Ragnorke

    “Helspont is basically to Mr Majestic what Darkseid is to Superman, and thus i think we can scale him accordingly.”

    Personally I think that Majestic stronger than Helspont. With Darkseid we can never be sure if Superman can win, with Majestic however we know that Helspont will withdraw sooner or later.

  25. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 10:26 am -      #25

    Mr Majestic:
    s245.photobucket.com/user/MrMajestic08/media/Feats/strength/strength%203/2.jpg.html
    s245.photobucket.com/user/MrMajestic08/media/Feats/strength/strength%203/3.jpg.html
    s245.photobucket.com/user/MrMajestic08/media/Feats/strength/strength%203/7.jpg.html

    “Personally I think that Majestic stronger than Helspont. ”

    perhaps

  26. Shgon Dunstan February 16, 2015 at 11:17 am -      #26

    “No Naruto character is relevant here unless they have a foolproof BFR which they can land before getting speedblitzed.”

    Kaguya has dimension traveling and BFR abilities, which she might even be able to use thanks to the others playing interference for her… It’s just that, like I said, pretty sure Team One also has dimensional travel capabilities… Which make hiding in/BFR them to one kind of pointless.

  27. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #27

    My money’s on team 2 tbh,

    Annihilus is hella tanky. The only person on team 1 that could hurt him would MAYBE be pre-crises Black Adam.

    Team 1 has very few ways to deal with dimensional BFR, which Kaguya & Bill are capable of. Maybe others too.
    /
    Black Bolt is a massive power house in this match.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3466306-3_tbomb_warofkings6.png
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    He survived a tesseract bomb at point blank.

    His voice > Thors hammer
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    His voice ripped a hole in reality, and left Tony & Reed speechless
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111271/3470853-bb+voice+part+5.jpg

  28. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 6:58 pm -      #28

    Bolts electric shock is enough enough to knock out Hulk
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3466390-3.png

    His electric blast knocks out Hulk again, in a different issue
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3466184-1.png

    A single word knocked out Hulk as well, in a different issue
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3466225-2.png

    His ionic control allowed him to suspend Hulk in midair
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3466389-2.png

    He knocked down/back Thanos a few times, and made him bleed. Although it didn’t end too well for Black Bolt.
    retconpunchdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/infinity4_boom.jpg

  29. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 7:04 pm -      #29

    A single whisper knocked out Gladiator
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9055/1343864-blackbolt_whisper.jpg
    img67.imageshack.us/img67/1913/46006397bd0.jpg

    a direct c and p from his bio
    “While at ease, a spoken word from Black Bolt has destroyed mountain ranges in the past, but while under more strenuous circumstances, it was stated that a single word would be capable of annihilating half a planet. .
    a shout or scream from him could easily wipe out the earth and half the solar system”

    Sentry didn’t want to face the scream either
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3465978-2.jpg

    And while this is totally meaningless & unquantifiable, i still think it’s incredibly bad ass.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3465980-4.jpg
    Vortex (a galaxy tier being) blinked when he thought Black Bolt would scream.

  30. Warlock Lowk February 16, 2015 at 7:37 pm -      #30

    Is Atrocitus ability to incinerate space with his vomit and tear into nothingness to jump through dimensions strickly a new 52 thing?

  31. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 12:33 am -      #31

    You know I wonder….could Black Bolt vs Goku work?

  32. Rookie February 17, 2015 at 1:30 am -      #32

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “You know I wonder….could Black Bolt vs Goku work?”

    Why not?

  33. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 10:54 am -      #33

    *shrugs* just been trying to come up with a decent 1 on 1 for Black Bolt.

  34. Ragnorke February 17, 2015 at 11:00 am -      #34

    He would rape Goku in my opinion.
    But go ahead and suggest it i suppose.

  35. Rookie February 17, 2015 at 11:30 am -      #35

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “*shrugs* just been trying to come up with a decent 1 on 1 for Black Bolt.”

    I usually check some threads here for scans and general idea before I post something with comics characters. As for Black Bolt vs someone:
    www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/black-bolt-vs-black-adam-406705/
    www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/black-bolt-vs-superman-9390/?page=1
    I think that tag battle with Black Bolt could be cool. Maybe him and Black Adam vs marvel.wikia.com/Ravenous_%28Earth-616%29 and marvel.wikia.com/Pyreus_Kril_%28Earth-616%29

  36. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 17, 2015 at 1:20 pm -      #36

    “You know I wonder….could Black Bolt vs Goku work?”

    Don’t think Goku has the durability to compete, maybe with SSG, but even then that’s pretty iffy. Then again, has Black Bolt ever survived a planet busting attack, minimum? Seemed like it could go either way, just whoever shoots first.

  37. Ragnorke February 17, 2015 at 2:25 pm -      #37

    @CH1
    “Then again, has Black Bolt ever survived a planet busting attack, minimum?”

    He survived a point blank tesseract bomb, so yes.

    Aside from that he took hits from Hulk, Gladiator, & Thanos, although it was made blatantly clear that his physical durability couldn’t keep up with that for long.

    As for the Tesseract bomb feat (i believe you were the one to originally post this):
    www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20271

    Black Bolts screams energy yield: 892,863,867,110 yottatons

    Energy Yield that Black Bolt tanked at point blank: 2,880,206,023,000 yottatons.

    Planet busting energy = 2e+36
    (That’s 36 zeros)

    Supernova energy = 100 foe
    = 1 x 10^46 J
    (That’s 46 zeros)

    Tesseract Bomb = 2.8 x 10^12 x 10^24 x 4.184 x 10^9 J
    = 1.75 x 10^46 J
    (That’s 46 zeros too)

    So he survived 1.75 supernovas,
    That calc is VERY low end for the tesseract bomb, since it doesn’t take into consideration the Space/Time rip in reality that it caused…. Which…. Well…. We can assume takes quite a bit of energy, since normal Supernovas in the Marvel Universe don’t do that.

  38. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 4:19 pm -      #38

    Well I considered N52 Superman but I was worried that would be a stomp against Black bolt

  39. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 4:21 pm -      #39

    “I think that tag battle with Black Bolt could be cool. Maybe him and Black Adam vs marvel.wikia.com/Ravenous_%28Earth-616%29 and marvel.wikia.com/Pyreus_Kril_%28Earth-616%29 ”
    could work

  40. Ragnorke February 17, 2015 at 4:31 pm -      #40

    “Well I considered N52 Superman but I was worried that would be a stomp against Black bolt”

    New52 Supes does have the energy to benchpress a Star (exerted over the course of 5 days, not one force), and he’s hella fast.
    But he’s just not that durable.

    If Blackbolt had trouble with Thanos, he’ll definitely have trouble with someone that moves a trillion times faster.

    Blackbolts durability > Supermans.
    Blackbolts Scream would likely destroy Superman.
    Superman is just plenty faster & hits plenty hard.
    Might be a fair-ish match.

  41. Darthgrim February 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #41

    “He still destroyed three systems with that blast, so this counts as bloodlusted G.”

    Are you talking about the Herald my rage feat? Because IIRC that went on to lifewipe the galaxy or something.

  42. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 6:41 pm -      #42

    yeah Thanos later stated that it continued through the entire galaxy.

  43. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 6:50 pm -      #43

    Don’t know too terribly much about Team Illegitimates or Naruto, but if they are close to or somewhat exceeding dbz levels of power, I’d think (as an insighted opinion, anyway) that most of the heavy hitters from Marvel and DC would make them nonfactors pretty quickly, and we end up with yet another Marvel vs DC standoff. Thoughts?

  44. Blazing Waffles February 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm -      #44

    Black Adam is capable of taking on almost every other hero on DC’s Earth if he gets pissed enough, including multiple kryptonians. I can see him taking down most of Team 2 on his own.

  45. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 7:01 pm -      #45

    Only time I recall Black Adam taking multiple Kryptonians was during World War 3…where he had his power tripled.

  46. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 7:02 pm -      #46

    “Blackbolts durability > Supermans.
    Blackbolts Scream would likely destroy Superman.
    Superman is just plenty faster & hits plenty hard.
    Might be a fair-ish match.”

    So essentially another quick-draw scenario?

    One point I will make on N52 Supes’ durability (and subsequently has bugged me about nearly EVERY feat for Superman in general) is that they are VERY lazily written. General physics tells us that the amount of energy/force an object can generate is equal to the amount that said object can withstand, and what I consistently see is that Supes’ offensive output appears to vastly differ from his durability (except perhaps that staff feat where Supes tanked a blast that could have destroyed 200+ planets, but that appears to be somewhat of an outlier). This doesn’t make sense, and I think that perhaps in some scenarios characters such as Superman (or e.g. Thor) should have their offensive output used as a feat for their actual durability. Just saying.

  47. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 7:22 pm -      #47

    Well, N52 Supes durability varies based on the nature of the attack to paraphrase his girlfriend Wonder Woman magic can allow someone to hurt Superman more easily and apparently it also takes him longer to heal from magic based injuries. How this applies to various damage types (would a full force punch to the gut from Wonder Woman hurt him more easily than a full force punch from Martian Manhunter purely because she’s a god for instance) is up for debate…though it seems magic weapon=Superman’s going to feel it in the morning considering Circe made a spear that was capable of piercing Superman’s flesh pretty easily.
    His fight with Ulysses, and a few other instances in N52 seem to imply he has a love hate relationship with energy, solar energy loves him, nuclear energy, whatever Ulysses tosses around, and somewhat more sporadically lightning based attacks seem to disagree with him.

    Then there’s the blunt force vs piercing/cutting aspect as well. Superman, as well as Wonder Woman and Thor, seem to be more vulnerable to blades than punches to a point.

  48. Blazing Waffles February 17, 2015 at 7:31 pm -      #48

    “Only time I recall Black Adam taking multiple Kryptonians was during World War 3…where he had his power tripled.”

    Oh, really? Wasn’t aware of that last bit. Disregard that, then.

  49. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 7:34 pm -      #49

    yeah WW3 he had the power of two people who got amped by the same gods transferred to him so he was basically Black Adam^3

  50. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 7:46 pm -      #50

    “Then there’s the blunt force vs piercing/cutting aspect as well. Superman, as well as Wonder Woman and Thor, seem to be more vulnerable to blades than punches to a point.”

    This makes sense to an extent, but bladed materials are a whole ‘nuther kettle o’ fish, simply due to the many factors involved concerning them. First, the sharpness of the edge itself. You can make an edge as sharp as you want, quite literally.Some modern edges are even capable of cutting things on a nigh-atomic level, so our hero’s molecular bonding strength plays a factor in how well those bonds could be separated by such a fine instrument.

    Second, the material of the weapon. Just because a blade’s edge is fine enough to sever said molecular bonds doesn’t necessarily mean those bonds aren’t strong enough to resist the instrument long enough for the tool to break. In other words, are Superman’s cells strong enough to resist a blade sharp enough to hurt him before the blade snaps under the force needed to actually sever his cells? Which means the blade itself needs to be made of a material strong enough to withstand the force needed to actually cut him, which segues into my final point:

    Finally–force itself. This ESPECIALLY comes into play for piercing with sharp points, because the trick of fine edges and sharp points is more than just their ability to separate molecular and perhaps even atomic bonds. It is also the blade’s ability to concentrate small amounts of force into staggering amounts of pressure by decreasing the surface area that the force is distributed across. in other words, a person stabbing with say, fifty pounds of force using a finely honed knife is concentrating all of that force into a microscoping point of impact, thus ensuring a massively more dangerous strike than if he had been simply using his fists with the same amount of force. With a stronger/more trained bladesman who can actually maximize on how much force they are actually able to strike with using a bladed weapon, the numbers can increase drastically.

    I say all of that to say this: what materials were these bladed weapons make from, and perhaps just as important, how strong/skilled is the person using said weapons against such beaters as Superman? It may mean the difference in sensible feat or just some more lazy writing in a long list of it.

    Side note, anyone who can stop a genuinely sharp weapon with their bare body is an absolute BEAST, and cannot be classified as coming even close to a normal human being in terms of ANY kind of durability. No exceptions.

  51. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 8:00 pm -      #51

    “fifty pounds of force using a finely honed knife is concentrating all of that force into a microscoping point of impact”

    Microscopic, my bad!

  52. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 8:13 pm -      #52

    Oh I know it varies, if Thor or Wonder Woman swung a basic steel sword at Superman or vice versa it would shatter before it could cut deep enough compared to them swinging Thor’s magic metal ax or Wondy’s magic metal sword and them basically being able to cleave anything short of uberhax metals.

  53. Warlock Lowk February 17, 2015 at 8:14 pm -      #53

    “Superman, as well as Wonder Woman and Thor, seem to be more vulnerable to blades than punches to a point.”

    In supes case it generally due to the magic…. or doomsday, but that guy degenerates you just by being around. Other then that even when he was younger needles couldn’t pierce his skin.

  54. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 8:27 pm -      #54

    Have we seen Supes fight any opponents on his tier using just supermetals of some kind not magic ones (or alternatively Kara)

  55. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 8:30 pm -      #55

    So that’s something, at least. Wolvy’s claws could cut Supes, then, but is Logon physically strong enough to drive them in before they glance off? I don’t know. Has Supes been cut with a superior weapon from someone with as little strength (comparatively speaking, of course) as Logan?

    I believe I just got ninja’d.

  56. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 8:35 pm -      #56

    Well on the one hand Wolverine was able to scratch Thor’s face. And in one instance that may or may not have been an alternate universe was able to cut off Thor’s arm..
    On the other hand could the first instance have merely been plot..

  57. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 8:38 pm -      #57

    Interesting. So, now we have to plot out comparisons in the DC universe. I’m not sure if Aquaman could be a viable comparison; how do you think he and his trident would fare?

  58. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 8:43 pm -      #58

    It would skewer Superman like a hot dog on a fork because of magic (its easily comparable to the three pronged spear/trident that Magog skewered him with if not more magically potent) so not comparable to adamantium unfortunately…
    Promethium and Nth Metal could be viable comparisons, so any Hawkpersons weapons/armor and Deathstrokes sword…off the top of my head are things that Superman could potentially encounter that are comparable to Wolverine’s claws, Hawkpeople are somewhat stronger than Wolverine but not enough for a difference I don’t think

  59. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 8:55 pm -      #59

    @ Jake

    Thanks a lot for posting and being patient with me.
    Man, I have been away too long; I gotta start researching before I post again. Not only did i find VASTLY superior strength to Wolverine where Aquaman is concerned, but I also found this:

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125404/3280301-2328265290-stab-.jpg

    Bench waterboy is moving up in the world–and my esteem. Ouch.

  60. Ragnorke February 17, 2015 at 9:11 pm -      #60

    ” but I also found this:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125404/3280301-2328265290-stab-.jpg
    Bench waterboy is moving up in the world”

    New52 JL issue #1

    Their first encounter with Darkseid.
    Aquaman took out one eye, and Diana took out the other.
    I’d assume Darkseid has the same weakness to magic that Superman has. Or rather, a lack of invulnerablility to it.

    It’s worth noting he was also simultaneously fighting off green Lantern & flash, thus being heavily weakened at the time.

    Nonetheless, I think new Aquaman is great.
    Infact I think all new52 characters are more in line with each other, and actually feel like a team rather than “Superman and his bitches”
    Supes and Flash have a couple of ridiculous feats, but those are almost outliers at this point, since they NEVER display such power during fights.

  61. Warlock Lowk February 17, 2015 at 9:19 pm -      #61

    “Have we seen Supes fight any opponents on his tier using just supermetals of some kind not magic ones (or alternatively Kara)”

    Most method of harming him tend to require tech somehow weakening him or just skipping the middleman. Like using a teleporting bullet.
    Fun fact, some bad guys shrunk themselves inside him and it was noted that they’d be crushed trying to expand inside his invulnerable brain tissue.

  62. Warlock Lowk February 17, 2015 at 9:30 pm -      #62

    “I’d assume Darkseid has the same weakness to magic that Superman has. Or rather, a lack of invulnerablility to it.”

    Well one is sharp enough to cut atoms so that kind of helps explains wonder woman.
    The trident I think is just really durable. That plus it’s ability to absorb energy are probably the reason it made it through without breaking or melting.
    ===
    “Superman and his bitches”

    Let be real, if anyone got top billing it be Batman. Batman and his superbitches.

  63. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 9:33 pm -      #63

    N52 Aquaman has become quite a badass

    Yeah, Wonder Woman in particular has shown in their team up comic that she’s comparable to Supes in fights and usefulness.

    I think Superman’s inconsistency between fight and non fight feats has a reason. His solar reserves deplete faster during active power use such as fighting someone roughly on his level somewhat seriously compared to less active such as the holding the weight of the Earth 5 days. In the latter example Superman was only using his strength and wasn’t burning as much energy as he does when he’s moving rapidly in a fight swinging fists, kicking, using heat vision, super breath and burning his fuel.
    Similar to a cellphone battery the more apps you leave on the faster it drains. When Superman is just supporting something or just using his speed his natural solar absorption can keep up but in fights his battery drains quicker. Normally this isn’t too much of an issue for him as he either has backup or can end the fight fast enough for it not to be problem, it would probably take more than a day of serious full force fighting to use up his reserves.

    His SuperFlare power he just gained may be an exemplification of it. It’s his most powerful attack capable of ko’ing a Superman level foe in one boom. But it uses all of his reserves in one shot and renders him a base no power Kryptonian for 24 hours. Or at least of first use (hopefully they keep the restriction like that and make it his last ditch attack). So while his new power is awesome I don’t see it being useful in a close fight in an FP style match

  64. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 9:37 pm -      #64

    “Let be real, if anyone got top billing it be Batman. Batman and his superbitches.”

    No Superman gets top billing followed by Batman…then the superbitches.

  65. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm -      #65

    So Super Saiyans aside (heh heh), does this still come down to Marvel vs DC, or do the other teams bring enough mystical Japanese hax to do some srewy things to the big guns of each comic book set?

  66. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 10:23 pm -      #66

    I don’t know the guy from Bastard so can’t speak for him.
    Kaguya is virtually immortal, has dimensional travel/bfr abilities, only high hypersonic in speed, and her strongest attack can destroy a planet wide dimension to create a new one but it takes a long period of time to use.

    I guess in theory she could set up the god tree to do infinite tsukynomi during the ten hours of prep…

  67. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 10:36 pm -      #67

    Ten hours of prep? Boy, are Doom and Batman going to have fun…

    Honestly, I have no idea why people include prep in these matches, because it factors in WAY too many unknowns. Prep essentially becomes a nonfactor in scenarios where it’s supposed to have huge implications, and that’s too bad. The truth is, with prep time on either side there are just too many possibilities to consider. I mean, everything is possible, from Bats soloing the Justice league to Doom essentially one-shotting Galactus. And because anything is possible, nothing is possible, because we have NO idea or way to predict what the actual outcomes would be.

    End of rant, lol.

  68. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 10:39 pm -      #68

    wait? Doom and Batman aren’t here, its teams of the following people: Team Bastard!! and DC Comics: from Bastard!! Konron, from DC comics: Atrocitus, Larfleeze, Sinestro, Black Adam (all pre New 52) and Helspont who is composite. Larfleeze in his prime.

    Team Naruto and Marvel Comics: from Naruto Kaguya, from Marvel Comics: Black Bolt, Annihilus, Terrax, Nova (Richard Rider) and Beta-Ray Bill.

  69. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 10:44 pm -      #69

    Oh, I’m sorry! Those were my extreme people examples rant-related. My point about prep still stands though. And the beginning was more of a joke. (Computer-voice conveyance fail :S)

  70. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 10:48 pm -      #70

    I don’t know if team DC is very prep heavy…but I don’t know all of them that well, granted the same can be said for Marvel other than possibly Black Bolt

  71. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 11:04 pm -      #71

    Well, Sinestro DID create 100 functional green power rings at once, so…there’s that. How willpower dominant/imaginative is his supporting squad?

  72. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 11:11 pm -      #72

    Atrocititus is a Red Lantern and Larfleeze is an Orange Lantern…not sure if Green Rings would work.

    Can Yellow Lantern Sinestro do that though?

  73. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 11:38 pm -      #73

    I unfortunately have yet to find anything solid on Yellow’s feats. I may call it a day soon…sigh…

  74. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 11:48 pm -      #74

    Okay, I still can’t find any ring-making feats for Yellow Stro, but I will give this: Yellow Lantern Rings operate on more than just fear; imagination is still involved. Thus, I don’t see why he couldn’t create at least SOME sort of ring, seeing as how he is already well developed in his skills of using lantern rings fuelled by imagination. However, the lack of yellow’s function on willpower could severely hamper the quantity of rings he could manufacture, so him shelling out a hundred in moments is highly unlikely. Over ten hours, though, I see no real reason why he couldn’t make a few for his team, and give a few pointers on their use.

  75. Ragnorke February 18, 2015 at 7:14 am -      #75

    Helspot & Black Adam seem like ideal candidates for yellow rings tbh.

  76. Marcel February 18, 2015 at 10:25 am -      #76

    That sounds like things just got serious for team one. N52 Helspont has shown himself easily being able to tear Supes a new one, and Black Adam being…Black Adam. Hope Bill and crew can pull out some good strats soon.

  77. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 11:42 am -      #77

    I’d say Black Bolt, probably Annihilus, and definitely Richard Rider+World Mind will be the tacticians for team two. Bill is an undeniable badass, but not sure if he’s the best strategist for the team. That said between him and Terrax I don’t see the planet they are on surviving unless team 2 decides it should. Given Bill once body slammed a Herald through a plant and Terrax once cut a planet in half (wait this is 616 Terrax and not the new alt universe one hanging out with Thanos right?)
    i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/Edpachi/799133-terraxplanetbuster1_super.jpg
    i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb82/Edpachi/799134-terraxplanetbuster2_super1.jpg

  78. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 11:51 am -      #78

    Terrax was able to create a forcefield around Manhattan to take it into space could be useful if they decide to try and turtle up and make team 1 come to them
    i.imgur.com/NUaBH2h.jpg

    He was able to cut through the hull of Galactus’s starship
    i.imgur.com/8Wv8JhP.jpg

    can open space warps
    i.imgur.com/P9kClOj.jpg

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #79

    Pretty Sure Terrax didn’t have the Power Cosmic at the time either, have to read it again.

  80. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 12:09 pm -      #80

    found the aftermath of the planet cut, he outright mass scattered the planet.
    i.imgur.com/bsYUh3i.jpg

    @CH1C4N0444
    I think he just didn’t use it or something. I know this was one of his weaker points.

    Also slicing Surfers Board in half…
    i.imgur.com/0s3AXwu.jpg

  81. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 12:25 pm -      #81

    Bill can use Stormbreaker to absorb energy, should be useful against the Lanterns.
    i.imgur.com/p226v66.jpg
    i.imgur.com/STpzGSm.jpg
    i.imgur.com/HGd6ko0.jpg

    and his energy manipulation in general is pretty good considering he was matching Stardust
    i.imgur.com/1r8I8ZS.jpg
    i.imgur.com/PRPSezR.jpg

  82. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 12:33 pm -      #82

    Turned Fenris the wolf into a skeleton i.imgur.com/mspy64z.jpg

    vaporizes a large chunk of Cancerverse Colossus
    i.imgur.com/WYG3Gt1.jpg

    Black Bolt taking down an AU Terrax (who I believe is roughly equal to 616 but I’m not sure)
    i.imgur.com/UE7DQi6.jpg

    A Whisper is enough to discourage Sentry from trying to fight Black Bolt
    i.imgur.com/mifQRfF.png
    i.imgur.com/kGoCXND.png?1

  83. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #83

    Black Bolt screaming in pain damages a planet
    i.imgur.com/4TqvpDc.jpg

    Stops a fight between Silver Surfer and another herald level character with a whispered word.
    i.imgur.com/IlMRMH8.jpg

    Bill was able to rip energy out of Ego
    i.imgur.com/the7qbb.jpg

    And he can summon the flames of Muspelheim
    i.imgur.com/NGbrSMU.jpg

  84. Blazing Waffles February 18, 2015 at 4:17 pm -      #84

    Did a little research on this Konron guy, apparently at least one of his attacks is ‘equal in power to a nuclear bomb’.

    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3ad3c45aa5/img000118.jpg

    Here he is, just after he apparently tanked some attacks from angels that ‘should have blown his body, spirit, and soul to smithereens’.

    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3ad3c45aa5/img000104.jpg

    Basically says his barrier can’t be pierced by a star-busting attack in the last panel of this next scan.

    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3acaf169bb/img000043.jpg

    He apparently has some hax regen powers through ‘eternal atoms’, the nature of which are explained here:

    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3acaf169bb/img000013.jpg
    img.bato.to/comics/2011/11/28/b/read4ed3acaf169bb/img000014.jpg

    So yeah, it looks like he could duke it out with the Marvel guys if he had to.

  85. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm -      #85

    “I know Nova uses Warp Gates to travel cross-galaxies.”

    Not Richard, but Sam traveled to another galaxy without using Warp Gates, I forgot where I posted it though.
    =
    “I think he just didn’t use it or something. I know this was one of his weaker points.”

    The guy he was fighting absorbed power and energy. Right before that fight he dumps all of his cosmic power into him. After that, he turns of the cosmic power and cuts the guy in half, then the planet.

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