Marche Vs Cloud Strife

Marche Vs Cloud Strife

Suggested by Batz

Marche (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance), who first time appears here, going up against Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy Tactics). 

Both have access to all weapons, armor, and abilities they can use in their respective games, aside from instant death.

Both have five of every item from their games to use.

Who would win?

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44 Comments on "Marche Vs Cloud Strife"

  1. Nsl98 February 20, 2015 at 7:12 am -      #1

    I’m with Cloud.
    —-
    Does Marche have any immunity/resistance to:

    -petrification
    -Chronomanipulation
    -Polymorphism
    -Having his magic turned off

    —-

    Just some stuff Cloud can do.

  2. Batz February 20, 2015 at 9:13 am -      #2

    @Nsl88
    Yes, actually. Marche can use an accessory called the Angel Ring. It gives Auto-Raise and immunity to Zombie, Dark Element, Silence, Frog, Poison, Slow, Immobilize, (Different from Stop, I think.) Disarm, and Doom. He has a Reaction Skill that can convert physical damage to MP, one that Hastes him if he’s close to death, one that can nullify arrows.
    His support abilities can render him immune to Blind, Confuse, Frog, Petrify, Poison, Sleep, and Slow. He has a support skill called Geomancy. It increases magic damage by lowering the enemy’s resistances by one level. (Absorb becomes Null, for example. (This stuff is based on what I have in game right now.)
    Marche is a Hume, so he of course has access to everything Humes can use in the game.
    Marche has one Summon ability: The Totema Mateus.
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mateus_(Tactics_Advance)
    Eh, now I’m wondering if the Law Cards would make this a stomp or not…
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Law_System_(Tactics_Advance)

  3. Nsl98 February 20, 2015 at 9:18 am -      #3

    Wow, that was a pretty extensive list of abilities.
    —-
    That gives me no insight to his durability or reactions, though

    Cloud can cut up parts of a skyscraper pretty well and has shown the speed to blitz casual bullet timers.

  4. Batz February 20, 2015 at 9:23 am -      #4

    Yeah, there’s not much to draw on for that stuff since it’s an RPG. Is Cloud able to do those things in Tactics or whichever point in time he was drawn into it from? Never got a PSP, so I didn’t play it.

    Really hoping Marche and Ramza are in Dissidia 3 tho.

  5. Batz February 20, 2015 at 9:26 am -      #5

    Actually, Marche is an arrow timer at minimum thanks to the “Block Arrows” Reacton Skill. (Animations have them dodging attacks when they miss (If physical)).
    If we want to take its description literally, Llednar’s Ripcircle is a lightspeed attack. Not sure about this one though.

  6. Nsl98 February 20, 2015 at 9:48 am -      #6

    Cloud blitz’s Sephiroth at the end of Advent Children with his upgraded Omnislash.

    Also in his fight with Sephiroth, he gets stabbed multiple times by him and continued to fight.

    In that same fight, he and Sephiroth both cut up the Shinra building and leave, like, a lot of it in ruins.

    Cloud looks to have superior reactions on account of his ability to dodge, deflect, and react to bullets.

    With Shield and Barrier, Cloud can make himself incredibly hard to hurt with physical and magical attacks.

    —-
    EDIT: Huh. Looks like I didn’t read the OP correctly. I guess Cloud is supposed to be in his Tactics incarnation.

  7. Friendlysociopath February 20, 2015 at 11:49 am -      #7

    Uh, if they’re both in their Tactics versions it’s literally one of the most even fights you could ask for- they’ve got pretty much the exact same abilities.

    I think mechanically you could break Tactics worse than Tactics Advance, but it’s been a while.

  8. Nsl98 February 20, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #8

    Well, it can’t be just Tactics versions if it says all abilities allowed.


    Batz, you just wanna clarify a bit?

  9. Batz February 20, 2015 at 2:02 pm -      #9

    Cloud has his abilities from up to whenever in his timeline Tactics is supposed to take place.

    Here’s a list of Marche’s Blue Mage skills.
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Mage_%28Tactics_Advance%29
    I think Shadow Flare is my favorite.

  10. Nsl98 February 20, 2015 at 2:11 pm -      #10

    I don’t think it’s canon to Cloud that he went to the Tactics universe. I don’t even know what point in the FF7 Timeline Cloud was supposed to have arrived in that universe.

  11. Cassie Hack February 20, 2015 at 2:25 pm -      #11

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBF1eiR1Zxc This might help it’s Cloud’s story from FFtactics

  12. Friendlysociopath February 20, 2015 at 2:43 pm -      #12

    Hrm, Cloud traveling to Tactics while in a coma was always fan speculation- not ever confirmed so far as I know. According to the theory, Cloud appeared in Tactics when he was in a coma from Mako poisoning.

    Not that it extremely matters, Cloud doesn’t get a power-spike or anything in his game- the only thing he’ll be losing out on is Omnislash version 6 and the fusion blades. And I’m 80% sure he could have everything unlocked by that point anyways (so all materia and limit breaks should be fair game)

    That said
    From 2:03 onwards


    Tifa explains that two years ago (the events of FF7) they had all possessed great power in battle. During their two years of not having to save the world, their powers decreased. She specifically mentions Cloud had successfully recovered his power, meaning Advent Children levels are the same levels he would have been at during the game.

  13. Zazax February 20, 2015 at 8:41 pm -      #13

    So what’s the stance towards things like Accessories? While in-game Cloud is limited to one at a time, outside of game mechanics there isn’t really a reason he couldn’t have, say, a Ribbon, Sprint Shoes, a Tetra-Elemental, and a Reflect Ring all on at once.

  14. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 10:00 am -      #14

    @Zazax
    That would apply to Marche as well, with the right accessories both of them would be immune to virtually every form of attack, I think the standard “trope” for video games and magic defensive items is that the magics can’t stack or something.

  15. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 10:05 am -      #15

    Cloud could still blitz if all Marche has is dodging arrows.

    —-
    I would, however, like to hear more about this light speed thing mentioned in post 5

  16. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 10:18 am -      #16

    Ripcircle: “Faster than light. Damages surrounding units.”
    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110504040710/finalfantasy/images/1/15/FFTA_Ripcircle.png

    Personally I’m inclined to call hyperbole, especially when that’s not his “ultimate attack”. I forget, are there guns in Tactics Advance? I know you could block bullets in regular Tactics.

  17. Batz February 21, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #17

    @Friendly
    There ARE guns, actually.
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_Tactics_Advance_Weapons#Guns
    I’m personally slightly erring towards Llednar’s Ripcircle being lightspeed, if only due to the game’s nature as an RPG, and Llednar having been created for the specific purpose of being a Mary Sue.
    I remember that Bangaas have a move described as being lightning fast, but I don’t remember which one.

  18. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 3:00 pm -      #18

    There ARE guns, actually.

    Then Marche should be somewhat around Cloud’s ballpark since he can block the bullets, still going to call him a bit slower since we can’t really gauge how well he would do against continuous gunfire like we can Cloud.


    I remember that Bangaas have a move described as being lightning fast, but I don’t remember which one.

    I checked out the wiki but didn’t see any moves for Bangaas that said that- do you remember what class it was at least?

    only due to the game’s nature as an RPG

    Just because it’s a RPG doesn’t mean it’s except from certain rules. The description of many attacks in RPGs do not match up with the effects, you need just that little bit of push to get over the hill of hyperbole.
    For example, Greaseburst:
    “Storms can start with one blow from these knuckles.”
    Or the arbelast
    “Great, destructive bow that shakes the ground.”
    If we’ve got nothing else to go on besides just that, how can we say whether it’s hyperbole or not?

  19. Batz February 21, 2015 at 4:03 pm -      #19

    I think it was Greased Bolt, a move that Reaction Abilities don’t work on.

  20. wingedlion February 21, 2015 at 4:19 pm -      #20

    “If we’ve got nothing else to go on besides just that, how can we say whether it’s hyperbole or not?”

    Hyperbole is just a very obvious exaggeration intended to largely express something. You can tell if something is a hyperbole or not based on how the descriptions describe them. I can see how those quotes you provided could be hyperbole, but i’m not sure how explicitly saying something is faster than light could be a hyperbole. It can’t really get any more clear then that.

  21. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 4:27 pm -      #21

    Yeah, it specifically says faster than light, so, IMO, it is light speed.

    So Cloud blitzing is out of the question…for now.

    Now, if an FF7 buff could enlighten me, the Preemptive Strike or whatever materia.

    Does that disable reaction time? If so, Cloud’s blitzing could still be a thing.

  22. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm -      #22

    Does that disable reaction time?

    Kind-of sort-of. It just lets whoever has it go first in battle with a full ATB gauge. Reacting isn’t really a thing in most Final Fantasy games.
    It’s completely game-mechanics so I don’t know how it would translate here.

    Personally, I’m just gonna throw this up here:
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_(Status)
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Attack
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_Formations
    finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Materia#Revive

    Methinks this is very shortly going to turn into which game can be exploited more, and considering Cloud also has access to Tactics shenanigans, it’s going to get crazy.
    Like, “I can ignore magic because I don’t believe in it” crazy.

  23. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm -      #23

    I’m with a Preemptive Strike Cloud winning this.
    —-
    Don’t forget Barrier. That defends Cloud from the type of stuff Marche can dish out.

  24. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 5:40 pm -      #24

    That defends Cloud from the type of stuff Marche can dish out.

    Unless it’s non-elemental or specifically mentioned to go through shields. Ultima comes to mind immediately, followed by Bahamut flare and possibly demi (though demi is game mechanics as hell).

    Uh hey, Batz, question- when you say all abilities and items from each game… were you including those Law Cards Marche gets? Because that’s reality-warping auto-win right there.

  25. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 5:53 pm -      #25

    Uh hey, Batz, question- when you say all abilities and items from each game… were you including those Law Cards Marche gets? Because that’s reality-warping auto-win right there.

    —-
    Batz implies in post 2 that the law cards are there for Marche to use.

    (If that’s the case, yeah, reality warping stomp award)

  26. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 6:17 pm -      #26

    Eh, now I’m wondering if the Law Cards would make this a stomp or not…

    He wasn’t sure, so I thought I’d ask for confirmation. There’s a lot of other stuff involved for law cards to actually be useful, judges need to be present and you must specifically be in the FFTA world, which is not FFT world.

    Albeit, whatever Marche does to Cloud applies to him to, in terms of abilities the two are practically identical in what they can do.
    Wheee, finished my animation though.

  27. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 7:22 pm -      #27

    Animation for what?
    —–
    Cloud does physically outclass Marche, right?

  28. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 7:58 pm -      #28

    Cloud does physically outclass Marche, right?

    In strength? Most likely, we never see Marche carve up buildings or knock a dragon flat out of the sky.
    In speed? Mechanically no; not if Marche can block lightspeed attacks (although game mechanics is very prevalent in all Tactics games) in theory they’re at least close since both can deflect bullets. Although it’s casual by Cloud and appears to be only for single-shots for Tactics characters.
    In durability? Pretty sure Marche doesn’t have any real tanking feats; but I could be wrong.
    In hax… boy oh boy that’s going to be one hell of a ride if we go there, and we might. Although Cloud has the combined might of FF7 hax plus Tactics hax, so he’d probably have the advantage there.

    Animation for what?

    Oh, I animated a fight between KOS-MOS from Xenosaga vs Etna from Disgaea. I’ve been at it for a solid week and I’m so happy it’s finally done, getting 4 hours of a sleep a day for a week tires a man out.

  29. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 8:05 pm -      #29

    Yo, can I see that animation? Sounds pretty cool tbh.

    I’m with you on combined hax putting it in Cloud’s favor.

  30. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 8:31 pm -      #30

    Sure, here it is


    I’m just starting to animate so it’s not the best, (using Windows moviemaker didn’t help either, that program sucks), plus the original music was taken down for copyright so I had to use a free one Youtube gives you.

  31. wingedlion February 21, 2015 at 8:50 pm -      #31

    Wait, is Cloud’s presence in tactics canon to FF7? Or are we just giving him all his FF7 abilities as well?

  32. wingedlion February 21, 2015 at 9:04 pm -      #32

    “Wait, is Cloud’s presence in tactics canon to FF7? Or are we just giving him all his FF7 abilities as well?”

    To expand more on what i am saying, isn’t it unfair to allow Cloud access to both his FF7 and tactics abilities while Marche only has access to the latter?

  33. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 9:30 pm -      #33

    To expand more on what i am saying, isn’t it unfair to allow Cloud access to both his FF7 and tactics abilities while Marche only has access to the latter?

    Well… that’s because Cloud’s a crossover character, of course he’d have more abilities? Heck, he even gets his limit breaks in Tactics as abilities.

    If you remove his FF7 abilities this literally becomes which game can be broken better, Final Fantasy Tactics or Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. I’m squarely in camp original Tactics in that regard, stat manipulation lets you create incredibly OP characters.

    Huh, guess I should explain that:
    Final Fantasy Tactics has a number of stats, but two in particular are very important-
    Faith
    Bravery

    Faith is how good your unit is with magic- a high faith score means high magic power, but you’re also easier to target with magic and it will hurt you more
    Bravery is the physical counterpart.

    By manipulating these stats, you can become borderline immune to magic and physical attacks.

  34. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 9:47 pm -      #34

    So an endgame (Tactics) Cloud would have maximum Bravery and minimum Faith. And it’s not even strange to do such a thing since he’s:
    A) Male
    B) A Physical class

    With maximum Bravery, physical attacks will outright not touch him and he’ll deal the most damage he possibly can with his physical attacks and abilities.
    (And I mean maximum damage, you can one-shot the final boss with the right builds.)
    With minimum Faith, he will be immune to magical attacks, they will outright not work on him- status effect spells will fail and damage spells with either miss or deal almost no damage.
    Items however, are completely unimpeded by his Faith stat when it comes to healing.

    These stats do not exist in Tactics Advance or Tactics Advance 2, thus preventing this particular way of breaking the game (and there are many, many ways of breaking Final Fantasy Tactics).

  35. wingedlion February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #35

    “Well… that’s because Cloud’s a crossover character, of course he’d have more abilities? Heck, he even gets his limit breaks in Tactics as abilities.”

    When i meant his FF7 abilities, i was really talking about his materia hax. I understand that he’ll probably have his limit breaks still, but if his presence in tactics is not canon to that of FF7 then he wouldn’t have his materia (unless he actually got the materia in tactics as well).

    “If you remove his FF7 abilities this literally becomes which game can be broken better, Final Fantasy Tactics or Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.”

    But going by what you said, Cloud still has his limit breaks right? He still has some of his own unique moves. What i’m saying is that, it sound extemely one-sided to add Cloud’s materia hax on top of the hax he already gets in tactics, especially if tactics is not canon to FF7.

    Mind you, i’m not particularly arguing for any specific side. I’m just saying that giving someone two games worth of abilities when they shouldn’t even have that in the first place does not seem like the right thing to do against a person with one game worth of abilities.

  36. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 10:29 pm -      #36

    but if his presence in tactics is not canon to that of FF7

    TLDR, no idea, but it could be and is somewhat painted to be. Read on for a rant.

    This is pretty much the “goddamnit” part of Final Fantasy lately. SE has put forward just enough evidence throughout the years to point that all of the games are canon to one another, but not enough to actually confirm it beyond a doubt.

    Confused? Good, let’s go over the points then.

    Confirmed Canon:
    *Gilgamesh is the same character in all games. It’s the same guy.
    *The Shinra from FFX-2 starts the Shinra corporation in FF7. Does it make sense? Hell no, but it’s canon.
    *FF12 Ivalice is the same Ivalice from the Tactics series, except in Tactics Advance where the main characters actually lived in the real Ivalice before Mewt goes and reality warps the entire world.
    *FF13 trilogy has them literally building a new planet and leaving for it.
    *Dissidia IS Final Fantasy 1’s world.
    *All the characters who die in Dissidia 012 are kept in stasis and sent back with everyone else after the 13th cycle.
    *According to Dissidia canon, the Gods grabbed people from different worlds to fight their battles.
    *and then there’s the Easter Eggs…

    Unconfirmed explanation:
    Since there are so many canon connections between the worlds (I didn’t list them all it takes too long), they must all be linked in some way in the same multiverse or possibly even the same planet.

    Like I said, not confirmed, but SE is being silly about it by dropping hints instead of just saying “Fine, they’re all canon to one another.” They’re quite sloppy about whether they want it canon or not.

  37. wingedlion February 21, 2015 at 10:49 pm -      #37

    @Freindlysociopath
    Oh no trust me, i know exactly what your talking about with the canon connections between the final fantasy universes (in fact i’m pretty sure all the points you listed are more than enough to confirm that the universes are indeed connected to each other/ are in the same multiverse).

    What i’m asking is if there is anything confirming that Cloud’s presence in tactics is canon( I don’t remember cloud taking a trip to Ivalice, nor do i remember him ever leaving his world at anytime instead of dissida).

  38. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 11:12 pm -      #38

    @Friendly
    That was pretty awesome! Keep it up.
    ——
    As for it being canon for Cloud to have been in Tactics, I don’t think it matters that much. For this fight anyway. Seeing as how the OP is giving Cloud access to it.

  39. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 11:34 pm -      #39

    Supposedly Cloud is pulled to Tactics right after he gives Sephiroth the Black Materia and falls into the Lifestream. It would fit with him:
    having massive headaches
    knowing Aerith is dead
    and pursuing Sephiroth

    Batz can always undo it if he wants so no big deal if he decides to do so.
    We’re in a weird place anyways- since we expect Cloud to have his combat abilities of FF7 compilation even though he’s in the Tactics world. Like I said, taking away his FF7 stuff just becomes “Character from Tactics VS Character from Tactics Advance”.

    That was pretty awesome! Keep it up.

    Thanks, still getting the hang of it- that’s my first 2d animation.
    For the record, my next animation is Sora vs Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker, I’m excited to finally have worked up the courage to start making them.

  40. Nsl98 February 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm -      #40

    Sora vs Vader, huh? Pretty cool.

    Yeah, after watching that vid Cassie posted, I thought Cloud was talking about falling into the Lifestream or something. Makes sense, I guess.
    —-
    (And when’s CH. 5?)

  41. wingedlion February 21, 2015 at 11:59 pm -      #41

    “We’re in a weird place anyways- since we expect Cloud to have his combat abilities of FF7 compilation even though he’s in the Tactics world. Like I said, taking away his FF7 stuff just becomes “Character from Tactics VS Character from Tactics Advance”.”

    Well like i said before, i understand Cloud keeping stuff like his limit breaks, since he actually has those in tactics. I was talking more about his materia.
    Furthermore, while i do understand that it may become “Character from Tactics VS Character from Tactics Advance”, i still think it might be a better option than Cloud with both his tactics and FF 7 hax vs March with just his tactics advance hax ( once again, assuming there’s no proof that Cloud being there is canon).
    Personally, i think the best option if you want to get both a unique and fair fight would simply be just giving cloud his FF7 abilities only and let him duke it out with Marche’s tactic advance abilities. That’s just me though. Ultimately it’s up to Batz.

    “Supposedly Cloud is pulled to Tactics right after he gives Sephiroth the Black Materia and falls into the Lifestream. It would fit with him:
    having massive headaches
    knowing Aerith is dead
    and pursuing Sephiroth”

    Wait, i thought that was just a theory and not confirmed?
    I mean if it wasn’t a theory, then i guess that’s it then.

  42. Friendlysociopath February 23, 2015 at 11:21 am -      #42

    (And when’s CH. 5?)

    Doing quite a few things at once, some take priority over others. Ultimate Crossover is on hold atm because I’m making a cover image for it.

    Wait, i thought that was just a theory and not confirmed?

    It’s still a theory, never confirmed.

  43. mathewbailey08 February 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm -      #43

    Pardon me for posting this,I’m new to Fact Pile. Where do you post ideas for duels? I have some ideas for duels & here are some of them:Golden Condor (Mysterious Cities of Gold) vs Weapon Birds (Silver Hawks),
    Elric vs Saint Seiya,Drizzt vs Saint Seiya,Thundercats (Lion-O) or He-Man Vs Saint Seiya,Elric or Drizzt Do’urden

  44. Nsl98 February 25, 2015 at 8:55 am -      #44

    @Mathew

    Battle Requests. If on the mobile version, just type battle requests.


    If your on the regular version, it should be an option on the right side of your screen, In the same area as the rules and debating guidelines.

    Enjoy your time at BankGambling!

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