World Breaker Hulk Vs Hercules

World Breaker Hulk Vs Hercules

Suggested by hellboy147

World Breaker Hulk going up against Hercules (both from Marvel).

Hercules has his Nemean Lion skin.

Battle starts in New York City.

Who would win?

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71 Comments on "World Breaker Hulk Vs Hercules"

  1. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 9:01 am -      #1

    The Hulk, easily. He breaks dimensions…with his fists.

  2. Friendlysociopath February 19, 2015 at 9:39 am -      #2

    Didn’t this fight already happen in the comics?

  3. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 9:42 am -      #3

    Yes, it was even it’s own series.

    —-
    Just for the kicks:

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123873/2916643-IncredibleHulk107-022.jpg

    ^Thats Hercules getting thrashed by Hulk.

  4. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 9:57 am -      #4

    didn’t War Hulk only beat Hercules…..because he refused to fight back in order to show Hulk he was on his side..

  5. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 10:14 am -      #5

    Well here are instances where Hulk is beating him without Hercules holding back:

    www.geocities.ws/hulksmashes/champions16.jpg

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    s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Strength/SavageHulkThunderclap23WhenTitansCollide1.jpg.html

  6. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 10:40 am -      #6

    @Nsl98
    _

    Duh most of the time Hercules avoids to fight Hulk seriously, and none of the time you mentioned above Hercules was wearing his Lion’s cloth.
    _
    www.comicvine.com/nemean-lion-skin/4055-45213/
    _

    Hercules moving Manhattan (millions of tons)
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54353/1552487-hercules___pulling_manhattan.jpg
    _
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109250/2443772-646616-hercules_super.jpg
    Does not need to say much here
    _

  7. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 10:49 am -      #7

    And this is Hulk having the weight of a star dropped on him:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/3475067-hulk_lifts_star_001_infinity_6_002.jpg

    —–
    Billions of tons:

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3335148-9962271707-37182.jpg

    (Billions>millions)

    ——

    Hulk also held a planet together, so yeah.

  8. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #8

    Nsl98
    _
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/54353/2007263-hercules___lifting_and_throwing_godzilla..jpg
    tossing Godzilla
    _

    punched galactus in his base form.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111117590/3080608-8034983594-hercu.jpg
    _
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109250/2443735-1658587-thorvs_super.jpg
    stalemate Thor in a wrestling match the force of which could’ve knocked Earth out of orbit:

  9. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 11:16 am -      #9

    Mortal Hercules vs Hulk, and yes this is 616, no I’m not sure what the deal is with Herc’s outfit…
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/HerculesUnleashedPage21.jpg~original
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/HerculesUnleashedPage22.jpg~original
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/HerculesUnleashedPage27.jpg~original
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/herc-hulkunleashed4.jpg

  10. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 11:26 am -      #10

    One of Hulk and Herc’s first fights…doesn’t really end better for one or the other, and Hercules starts off the fight underestimating the Hulk and it flees when the army shows up and scares Hulk off. Neither is really worse for ware after the clash.
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/-story2page06-.jpg~original
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/Herc-Hulk2.jpg
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/Herc-Hulk3.jpg
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/-story2page09-.jpg
    i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/-story2page10-.jpg~original

  11. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 11:39 am -      #11

    Seems like much like Thor vs Hulk the comics like to swing back and forth on the matter.
    trying to find the rest of this encounter but not sure if there is more to it or not
    i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/HercvsHulk404-1.jpg
    i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/HercvsHulk404.jpg

    Edit: Also apparently in post 9 Herc wasn’t just mortal he was also physically weaker than his normal state from what I’ve read so far

  12. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 11:41 am -      #12

    ” no I’m not sure what the deal is with Herc’s outfit…”

    My guess, the same reason superman had a mullet. Because 90s.
    EDIT: Wait does that link say Hercules unleashed and is he wearing pouches for some reason? Yeah, no longer a guess; thats a 90s herc.

  13. Ragnorke February 19, 2015 at 11:43 am -      #13

    You guys Realize this is World Breaker Hulk right?
    Not normal Hulk?

    Literally THE most powerful incarnation of Hulk, ever.

    This is a stomp match.

  14. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 11:52 am -      #14

    Herc vs Sentry
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62144/1221823-inc_hercules_128_page_004.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62144/1221824-inc_hercules_128_page_010.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62144/1221827-inc_hercules_128_page_016.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/62144/1221826-inc_hercules_128_page_017.jpg

  15. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #15

    “My guess, the same reason superman had a mullet. Because 90s.
    EDIT: Wait does that link say Hercules unleashed and is he wearing pouches for some reason? Yeah, no longer a guess; thats a 90s herc.”
    _

    I do gave him his Nemean Lion skin from his second labor. Its an armor that protects him form any form on attack and increases his durability. I was also thinking him to give his mace but that would have been too much.
    _
    “This is a stomp match.”
    _
    Proof it
    _
    “Literally THE most powerful incarnation of Hulk, ever.”
    _
    Did you check my scans above? The Manhattan one might be in billions of tons since their is no way to calc.
    _

    This is not Disney Hercules either.

  16. Rookie February 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm -      #16

    Maybe we should change Herc to his Chaos Wars state static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57845/1647726-final008.jpg to make it more fair?

  17. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 12:11 pm -      #17

    Chaos War Herc was more powerful than Zeus….who beat Hulk like a drum.

  18. itcheyness February 19, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #18

    Wasn’t the moving Manhattan feat retconned?

    It even says at the end of the comic that it may not have even happened.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/85763/2917732-herc_boast2.jpg

  19. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #19

    “Maybe we should change Herc to his Chaos Wars state static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57845/1647726-final008.jpg to make it more fair?”
    _

    he can fight on a multiverse scale not even close.

  20. Rookie February 19, 2015 at 12:16 pm -      #20

    @Jake_Uzumaki

    “Chaos War Herc was more powerful than Zeus….who beat Hulk like a drum.”

    Normal Hulk made Zeus bleed and forced him to go all out against Hulk in order to stomp him.
    This is the most powerful version of Hulk.
    I think it would be fair to use most powerful version of Herc against most powerful version of Hulk.

  21. Rookie February 19, 2015 at 12:19 pm -      #21

    @hellboy147

    “he can fight on a multiverse scale not even close.”

    Weren’t all Mikaboshi’s multiversal eating feats retconned to just him eating single universe? And thus Chaos Wars Herc is only universal and even much weaker, since Mikaboshi was toyed with him entire fight?

  22. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #22

    Uhm…normal Hulk doesn’t talk in full sentences like the one who got his guts punched out of his body War Hulk does but not regular Hulk. And I just looked at the scans again…Zeus didn’t bleed at all…

  23. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 12:21 pm -      #23

    @itcheyness
    _
    He did bring Manhattan back to its place tho unless it moved by himself.

  24. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 12:23 pm -      #24

    ” And thus Chaos Wars Herc is only universal and even much weaker, since Mikaboshi was toyed with him entire fight?”
    _

    www.comicvine.com/hercules/4005-2503/forums/chaos-war-hercules-abilitiesfeats-722370/
    comment # 2 i will leave it here

  25. itcheyness February 19, 2015 at 1:32 pm -      #25

    “He did bring Manhattan back to its place tho unless it moved by himself.”

    Or Manhattan never moved in the first place…

  26. Ragnorke February 19, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #26

    “Did you check my scans above? The Manhattan one might be in billions of tons since their is no way to calc.”

    Are you really comparing moving Manhattan to things like:
    1. A weaker incarnation of Hulk Holding the weight of a star
    2. A weaker incarnation of Hulk Destroying planets
    3. Causing the east (or west) coast to collapse simply by existing
    4. A weaker incarnation of Hulk fighting Sentry (who made a fool out of Hercules)
    5. A weaker incarnation of Hulk destroying an entire dimension by clapping

    Shall I go on?

  27. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 2:09 pm -      #27

    “(who made a fool out of Hercules”

    *looks back at scans of Hercules tossing Sentry by his cape smacking him with Venom and kneeing him in the nuts*

  28. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 3:03 pm -      #28

    @rookie
    _

    Hulk asked to get his ass whooped by Zeus fist, otherwise Zeus can vaporize him with weather manipulation.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WxSqQeBYhE
    _

    “1. A weaker incarnation of Hulk Holding the weight of a star
    2. A weaker incarnation of Hulk Destroying planets
    3. Causing the east (or west) coast to collapse simply by existing
    4. A weaker incarnation of Hulk fighting Sentry (who made a fool out of Hercules)
    5. A weaker incarnation of Hulk destroying an entire dimension by clapping”
    _

    Hercules almost knocked the earth out of orbit in a wrestling match against Thor.
    There was a time he almost Killed Thor in a headlock, Thor needed mjolnir to escape.
    _

    And a weaker version of Hercules also held the earth like its nothing and also bring the senses back in Galactus by punching him.
    _

    For this battle Hercules is also wearing Lions cloth which increase his durability and defense.
    Now of course hulk got more feats than Hercules.
    _

    Anyways legendry Saiyan Broly vs World War Hulk?

  29. Ragnorke February 19, 2015 at 3:28 pm -      #29

    “*looks back at scans of Hercules tossing Sentry by his cape smacking him with Venom and kneeing him in the nuts*”

    Yea looks like i never read that whole fight.
    Anyhow Sentry was heavily holding back, and that was way before Sentry’s 2 amps.

    “Hercules almost knocked the earth out of orbit in a wrestling match against Thor.”

    And in what retarded fiction does “almost” knocking a “planet” out of “orbit” (which was a shared feat) compare to any of the listed things that Hulk has done?

    “And a weaker version of Hercules also held the earth like its nothing.”

    And a weaker version of Hulk held a star.
    Shall we compare? okay:
    Earth = 6000000000000000000000000 kg
    Sun = 2000000000000000000000000000000 kg
    Hulks feat is 10 thousand times stronger than Hercules’s. Let that sink in.

    “and also bring the senses back in Galactus by punching him.”

    It’s been done by plenty of characters. Usually just bad writing.

    “Anyways legendry Saiyan Broly vs World War Hulk?”

    Hulk still stomps.
    Broly got KILLED by being thrown into a star. Meanwhile Hulk destroys entire dimensions by clapping his hands.

  30. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #30

    “Didn’t this fight already happen in the comics?”

    Multiple times. Hulk, Thor, and Herc all have a strength rivalry going on, which is why all three of them are constantly fighting with it always going either way.
    =
    “didn’t War Hulk only beat Hercules…..because he refused to fight back in order to show Hulk he was on his side..”

    Yes.
    =
    “Duh most of the time Hercules avoids to fight Hulk seriously, and none of the time you mentioned above Hercules was wearing his Lion’s cloth.”

    And Hulk always holds back… What feats do the Lion’s cloth bring?
    =
    “Hercules moving Manhattan (millions of tons)”

    That’s cute. Hulk’s lifted a star.
    =
    “Does not need to say much here”

    Hulk’s had multiple feats on that level, and a few on star level.
    =
    “stalemate Thor in a wrestling match the force of which could’ve knocked Earth out of orbit:”

    Something Hulk’s done before. Not armwrestling, but stalemating Thor.
    =
    “Seems like much like Thor vs Hulk the comics like to swing back and forth on the matter.”

    Yea, Thor, Herc, and Hulk are all over the place. That being said, Hulk’s also gets in tussle’s a lot with Juggs, Thing(this one undoubtedly goes to Hulk though), Namor, any of the other Hulks and on a few occasions Drax, and Sentry when he was around.
    =
    “Literally THE most powerful incarnation of Hulk, ever.”

    Nuh-uh! There’s Kluh… *snickers*

    Seriously though, it’s hard to imagine Captain Universe Hulk being less powerful than WB Hulk. There’s also a few Hulk’s that their only feats are having to be restrained by multiple Hulk’s. Well, it might all just be the same Hulk, all my google searches are inconclusive on the whole Beast, Devil, Guilt Hulk thing, one might not even be Bruce…if they’re in fact different.
    =
    “I do gave him his Nemean Lion skin from his second labor. Its an armor that protects him form any form on attack and increases his durability.”

    Feats of the lion skin?
    =
    “I was also thinking him to give his mace but that would have been too much.”

    Doubt it. Herc has trouble as it is with Savage Hulk, WB is leaps and bounds stronger than him. I’d give Herc more than just those two things to make it a fair fight, but definitely stay away from his Skyfather mode.
    =
    “Did you check my scans above? The Manhattan one might be in billions of tons since their is no way to calc.”

    Which is child’s play for guys like Hulk and Herc.
    =
    “Maybe we should change Herc to his Chaos Wars state”

    Stomp in Herc’s favor.
    =
    “Normal Hulk made Zeus bleed and forced him to go all out against Hulk in order to stomp him.”

    Green Scar Hulk, definitely not normal.
    =
    “I think it would be fair to use most powerful version of Herc against most powerful version of Hulk.”

    No, because the most powerful version of Herc is a multiversal level being, while the most powerful version of Hulk blows up planets. MAYBE MAYBE if you gave Hulk all of the powerups he’s ever gotten throughout the years, he MIGHT be capable of destroying the sun… Maybe…
    =
    ” And thus Chaos Wars Herc is only universal and even much weaker, since Mikaboshi was toyed with him entire fight?”

    Still leagues above what Hulk could do at his most powerful.
    =
    “2. A weaker incarnation of Hulk Destroying planets”

    I’d love to see this.
    =
    “3. Causing the east (or west) coast to collapse simply by existing”

    And almost sunk a continent with a footstep, and coming close to triggering the San Andreas fault, and almost causing a city to sink in his fight with Rulk.
    =
    “5. A weaker incarnation of Hulk destroying an entire dimension by clapping”

    Which he’s done twice, that same incarnation destroyed the time barrier by punching it.
    =
    “Hercules almost knocked the earth out of orbit in a wrestling match against Thor.”

    Star>Planet.
    =
    “Anyways legendry Saiyan Broly vs World War Hulk?”

    Probably the same as Goku vs Hulk went.
    =
    I seem to recall the West and East Coast Avengers not being able to handle Hulk too easily, which had Doc Samson, Namor, Herc, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, as the most notable members, they won in the end, but it wasn’t easy. I’ll have to find it.

  31. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 3:47 pm -      #31

    Hasn’t the lifted a star thing been argued a lot on here? I’m not taking a side on it just asking.

  32. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 3:49 pm -      #32

    “Hulk still stomps.
    Broly got KILLED by being thrown into a star. Meanwhile Hulk destroys entire dimensions by clapping his hands.”
    _

    I doubt both Goku and Gohan failed to scratch Broly individually, and there were like three saiyans together just to throw Broly into a star. He is considered to be a star buster as well and faster than Hulk for sure.
    _
    CH1C you summed up everything, base hulk would have been better and Sky Hercules can stomp so it all good.

  33. Epicazeroth February 19, 2015 at 3:54 pm -      #33

    I love that Herc vs Sentry fight. “No. I’ll do it.” & “What fight are you watching?” LOL.
    ===
    @Rag: “Anyhow Sentry was heavily holding back”
    Herc didn’t look like he was fighting that hard either.
    ===
    Also, why is it that Herc’s body hair makes him look like a cactus?

  34. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 3:59 pm -      #34

    Goku beat Hulk on here…but then again Broly’s more hit and boom energy attacks as opposed to Goku’s continuous attacks..

  35. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 4:09 pm -      #35

    “Also, why is it that Herc’s body hair makes him look like a cactus?”
    _
    too much manliness, son of zeus , prince of power? lol
    _
    “Feats of the lion skin?”
    _
    He barely used it here and there and its hard to find, however here is the description www.comicvine.com/nemean-lion-skin/4055-45213/

  36. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #36

    I thought Goku only beat Hulk due to BFR. Physically, Goku is wayyyyyy outclassed.

  37. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 4:20 pm -      #37

    BFR by blasting him off the planet as I recall. But I’d need to go back and try and read through again. That’s why I mentioned the continuous blasts vs just toss boom blasts

  38. Hac148 February 19, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #38

    @hellboy147
    if you have already decided to just add to herc until he can beat the hulk, what point does the match have? In terms of World Breaker Hulk vs standard hercules, even with his mace and lion skin, Hulk wins. I understand wanting to keep the fight going, but there is a difference between that and handing powerups to one side until it wins.

  39. Fezzes February 19, 2015 at 5:18 pm -      #39

    It isn’t ‘handing powerups to one side until it wins’, it’s making the fight balanced so it ISN’T a stomp.

    I’ve never really been impressed by Hulk. He has so many different power levels and forms, and he has so many fans who want Hulk with MOAR POWER!! and then the comics comply that it gets ridiculous. Doesn’t really factor in, but it is kind of relevant.

    That said, unless Hercules gets his Mace as well, I doubt he will put up much of a fight. Then again, the Nemean Lion skin does function as impenetrable armour and give him resistance to pretty much all attacks or whatever, so depending on how much resistance, then Herc could win.

    Siding with Hercules for now.

  40. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 5:35 pm -      #40

    Has the Nemean Coat even resisted something on Hulk’s level before? If not, it’s kind of a useless add on.

  41. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 19, 2015 at 7:08 pm -      #41

    “Hasn’t the lifted a star thing been argued a lot on here? I’m not taking a side on it just asking.”

    Just by Aelfinn, no one else ever has.
    =
    “BFR by blasting him off the planet as I recall”

    Which I don’t get, seeing as weaker than Hulk characters have resisted those same attacks without being BFR’d…
    =
    @Rag How fast did you calc blaster bolts in SW to be again?

    “2. A weaker incarnation of Hulk Destroying planets”

    Just realized, are you referring to Grey Hulk being shot at an asteroid, or is there another feat that I should know of that you’re talking about? Because I’d love to see another feat of Hulk doing that.
    =
    Gotta look for the scan, but Hulk’s fists have been compared to Black Bolt’s voice before. There’s also a scan of Grey (weakest Hulk)over powering Wonder Man who’s shaken an entire planet before.

  42. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 7:13 pm -      #42

    @CH1

    Yo, check post 64 of General Gruevous vs X-23 for Rag calcing some blaster bolts.

  43. Jake_Uzumaki February 19, 2015 at 7:19 pm -      #43

    uhm….wrong thread I think Nsl98

  44. Nsl98 February 19, 2015 at 7:21 pm -      #44

    @Jake

    CH1 asked for the calc in the post above mine..,

    —–

    “@Rag How fast did you calc blaster bolts in SW to be again?”

  45. hellboy147 February 19, 2015 at 7:54 pm -      #45

    @hac148
    _
    It’s not a bad match, I just misunderstood WB Hulk, Normal Hulk vs Hercules is actually a pretty solid match. Otherwise WB Hulk stomps Hercules and Chaos king Hercules stomps any Hulk.
    _
    As for Goku vs Hulk , Goku already won fair and square. Is Hulk near mach 28,000? because Goku in SSJ3 form was near that against Majin Buu, not to mention he can teleport, use telekinesis and use kamehameha.

  46. Aelfinn February 19, 2015 at 9:35 pm -      #46

    “Just by Aelfinn, no one else ever has.”

    Yeah, because it’s an outlier and there’s a bunch-a weird stuff going on in that scene. Like the fact that he doesn’t really lift it. I think it works as a durability feat, but not a strength one.

  47. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 20, 2015 at 2:40 am -      #47

    “Yo, check post 64 of General Gruevous vs X-23 for Rag calcing some blaster bolts.”

    Just looked at it, he just says that it looks about 50m/s and used that as his base for the calc. Lowk found a link that calced it to 34m/s on the match I was asking it for though.
    =
    “uhm….wrong thread I think Nsl98″

    Nah, I asked for that.
    =
    “Is Hulk near mach 28,000? ”

    When has Goku gone that fast? How did the person who calced that get to that conclusion?

    As to the question, Green Scar stopped a speed blitz from Sentry(the guy’s really fast), Savage Hulk caught Silver Surfer(flown across galaxies)while he was flying, and Kluh’s caught Nova(also has flown across galaxies), although I think he wasn’t flying that fast in that particular instance, and some version of Hulk dodged a hammer throw from Warrior Madness Thor. Can’t think of any really worthwhile feats to be honest, besides those. SS’s is the only one where Hulk didn’t do it in a fight though, the rest where all fight related, so they’re pretty questionable, in my opinion anyways.
    =
    “Yeah”

    There it is.

  48. Sauroposeidon February 22, 2015 at 9:13 am -      #48

    “This is not Disney Hercules either.”

    Considering Disney owns marvel..

  49. Murder February 22, 2015 at 8:10 pm -      #49

    How the hell can anyone say Hercules would lose this? Hercules is literally, the strongest being in all of the Marvel universe. His powers are often limited, but it’s well known that nobody in the Marvel universe is stronger, not even the Hulk.

    Fact: Hulk has never truly beaten Hercules. Hercules has beaten Hulk, Thor and every single member of the Council of Godheads.

  50. hellboy147 February 23, 2015 at 10:51 am -      #50

    “Fact: Hulk has never truly beaten Hercules. Hercules has beaten Hulk, Thor and every single member of the Council of Godheads.”

    Sky father Hercules yeh, perhaps he is one of the strongest Marvel character. However, this is base Hercules and World Breaker Hulk feats are better than him. He can take down Normal Hulk easily though.
    _
    “Considering Disney owns marvel..”
    _
    Yup but Disney version of Hercules is weakest.
    _
    “When has Goku gone that fast? How did the person who calced that get to that conclusion?”
    _

    DBZ is definition of massively hypersonic anyways, he is fast as majin Buu in ssj3. He might be even faster than that.

  51. Murder February 23, 2015 at 6:20 pm -      #51

    “Sky father Hercules yeh, perhaps he is one of the strongest Marvel character. However, this is base Hercules and World Breaker Hulk feats are better than him. He can take down Normal Hulk easily though.”

    BankGambling rules say we use the most current version unless otherwise stated. The current version of Hercules is the most powerful he has ever been. The guy beat Mikaboshi, who himself is a god that slayed Zeus with ease and may be the badest villain in Marvel right now.Even Galactus and Gaea could do nothing against him and had to share their power with an all powerful Hercules just to send the guy home. Right now, Hercules is more powerful than any god in the MU being omnipotence and omniscience.

  52. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 23, 2015 at 7:19 pm -      #52

    Took Herc, Doc Samson, and the West and East Coast Avengers to take Hulk down.
    -http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/dailyburn/hulkvsave.jpg

    The entire fight takes place over multiple issues so not feeling up to posting all of it. Again, they do win.
    =
    “DBZ is definition of massively hypersonic anyways, he is fast as majin Buu in ssj3. He might be even faster than that.”

    So, proof?
    =
    ” The current version of Hercules is the most powerful he has ever been”

    Pretty sure he lost all his Skyfather powers.
    =
    Catches IF punch, who has microsecond reactions.
    -http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/dailyburn/hulkif300.jpg

  53. hellboy147 February 23, 2015 at 8:10 pm -      #53

    @Murder

    He lost all of his powers bro by restoring the multiverse. Current Hercules is mortal. He will lose to hulk, and I’m probably the biggest Hercules fan on this site.

    Yeh I know he even Teleported angry Galactus to another univers against his will which is insane.

    “Proof”

    There are too many seriously.

  54. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 23, 2015 at 10:56 pm -      #54

    “There are too many seriously.”

    Then it should be easy to find a someone calcing Goku going Mach 28,000.

  55. Tarbel February 24, 2015 at 12:41 am -      #55

    I’m also interested in seeing this supposed calc.
    I’ve seen many with ridiculously high numbers like this which tend to involve powerscaling power levels, assuming they have a linear correlation with strength/speed, which is not true at all.

  56. Murder February 24, 2015 at 11:26 am -      #56

    Whether Herc gave up his Omnipotent powers, he’s still stronger than WBH. This was proven when Hercules was beating Hulk, but stopped fighting to show Hulk that he was on his side. Hercules still took everything Hulk could throw at him and remained conscious saying “No more, we’re on your side hulk”. He could have beaten Hulk anytime he chose, because Marvel says that nobody is stronger than Hercules. Nobody.

  57. Murder February 24, 2015 at 11:30 am -      #57

    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-4043410

    Scans of that fight from comicvine. Click the right arrows to scroll.

  58. hellboy147 February 24, 2015 at 2:16 pm -      #58

    “Then it should be easy to find a someone calcing Goku going Mach 28,000″
    _
    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Goku's_running_speed_calculation

  59. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 24, 2015 at 2:36 pm -      #59

    ” This was proven when Hercules was beating Hulk”

    He landed one punch that knocked Hulk to the ground… How is that “beating” Hulk? Either way, that was Green Scar, not World Breaker.
    =
    Herc has help from teams of people to fight Hulk. Example being when it took both West and East Coast Avengers with Doc Samson to take him down. Or the Champions attacked Hulk while he was trying to save Jen. And again with the Avengers while he was being mind controlled, this one being the only time I can think of when Hulk had help from someone(Juggernaut), even then the number advantage still goes to Herc. None of those incarnations being Worldbreaker and being standard versions of Hulk.
    =
    “vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Goku’s_running_speed_calculation”

    *looks at link from hellboy taking power levels seriously*

    Allow me to retort.

  60. Tarbel February 25, 2015 at 2:04 pm -      #60

    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Goku%27s_running_speed_calculation

    Using power level as a means of calculating speed when power levels do not have a linear correlation with it.

  61. Aelfinn February 25, 2015 at 7:50 pm -      #61

    “There it is.”

    I aim to please.
    =
    The fastest anyone has gone in DBZ is Gotenks when he flew around the world, and the fastest that can be determined to be is 1/5 lightspeed. Which, in case you weren’t aware, is Mach 175000, or thereabouts.

  62. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 7:55 pm -      #62

    @Aelfinn How fast would you have to be to catch a fist from someone with microsecond reactions?

  63. Aelfinn February 25, 2015 at 8:38 pm -      #63

    “How fast would you have to be to catch a fist from someone with microsecond reactions?”

    Well this SOUNDS like power-scaling, but it depends on the scenario. If it means “the guy throwing the punch can fully extend his arm in one microsecond” and “the guy catching the punch moves his arm 0.5 meters in that microsecond”, it means the guy catching the punch is Mach 1457. Why do you ask?

  64. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 8:55 pm -      #64

    “Well this SOUNDS like power-scaling, ”

    I mean, ya, but it’s not like it’s baseless. I didn’t arrive to that conclusion because character a beat character b in a fight. He was fast enough to catch it a fast moving fist.
    =
    “Why do you ask?”

    See post 52. It’s one of the few feats Hulk has that involves him moving faster than just swatting missiles out of the air.

  65. Aelfinn February 25, 2015 at 9:17 pm -      #65

    “See post 52. It’s one of the few feats Hulk has that involves him moving faster than just swatting missiles out of the air.”

    I really don’t think it was the author’s intent to put the Hulk at some obscenely high speed, and unless the speed of the weird guy was consistently being brought up, is there really anything to say the punch lasted a microsecond? He does say it is his “swiftest”, but he’s also standing there with his fist out while he monologues, so it’s not ridiculous for the Hulk to have aim-blocked it. Or the masked dude decided to punch the Hulk’s open hand.

  66. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 9:39 pm -      #66

    “I really don’t think it was the author’s intent to put the Hulk at some obscenely high speed,”

    Saw this coming.
    =
    ” is there really anything to say the punch lasted a microsecond?”

    You know, things like this really do make debating characters like these pointless…
    =
    ” he’s also standing there with his fist out while he monologues”

    The scan beforehand has him making his way towards, the Hulk. He wasn’t just standing there.
    =
    “so it’s not ridiculous for the Hulk to have aim-blocked it.”

    Since when did aim blocking include being able to catch the thing you’re trying to avoid? Always thought it was moving away from the projectile before it was fired by seeing where it’s being aimed at.
    =
    “Or the masked dude decided to punch the Hulk’s open hand.”

    Hulk had his back turned to IF before he punched him.

    i.imgur.com/0JWAdbW.jpg

  67. Aelfinn February 25, 2015 at 9:53 pm -      #67

    “You know, things like this really do make debating characters like these pointless”

    It’s such a ridiculous feat to ascribe to current Hulk, and it’s SO far away from what we know of him that it turns every SINGLE moment of Hulk’s existence into one of PIS. Either that, or everyone he fights is actually fighting at Mach 1000+, and if you have to elevate an entire universe to explain one feat, then you probably shouldn’t use the feat. Is Power Man now Mach 1400? It’s a much simpler explanation to say that Iron Fist had PIS in this one instance than to say that the Hulk ALWAYS has it. (Also, where’s the feat where Iron Fist has microsecond reactions?)

  68. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 25, 2015 at 9:59 pm -      #68

    “It’s such a ridiculous feat to ascribe to current Hulk, and it’s SO far away from what we know of him that it turns every SINGLE moment of Hulk’s existence into one of PIS. Either that, or everyone he fights is actually fighting at Mach 1000+, and if you have to elevate an entire universe to explain one feat, then you probably shouldn’t use the feat.”

    Except you don’t have to do that considering the people Hulk fights are FTL+ or already at that level…
    =
    “(Also, where’s the feat where Iron Fist has microsecond reactions?)”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111121459/3689333-3743029190-30466.jpg

  69. Soulerous February 26, 2015 at 5:52 am -      #69

    Was this issued before or after this?

  70. Ragnorke February 26, 2015 at 6:58 am -      #70

    “Except you don’t have to do that considering the people Hulk fights are FTL+ or already at that level…”

    Characters almost NEVER fight at FTL speeds.
    There’s only a few examples I can think of, where every thing around them appeared frozen in time.
    99% of the time characters fight at regular speed, likely because:
    1. Lack of experience
    2. Lacking the ability to move individual limbs at high speeds
    3. Slow concentrated blows are probably more affective

    I’m with Aelfinn on this.
    Even ignoring the three points above,
    Having microsecond reaction times has nothing to do with how fast your actual fist moves.

    “Since when did aim blocking include being able to catch the thing you’re trying to avoid?”

    Aim blocking and Aim dodging follow the same concept.
    You get extra time to react/move into position, because you know something is going to happen before it begins happening.
    If I know someone’s about to throw a baseball at me, I have the time needed to put my hand up in position before (or soon after) it’s thrown, and can thus catch it.
    If I don’t know someone’s about to throw a baseball at me, I won’t realize it until it’s too close, and it’ll thus be impossible for me to catch.

  71. hellboy147 March 12, 2015 at 12:39 pm -      #71

    “Characters almost NEVER fight at FTL speeds.”
    _

    True, and I actually heard at few other threads that Goku fights at the faster pace than superman; what you think about it?

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