Delta Squad Vs Hawkeye

Delta Squad Vs Hawkeye

Suggested by Nsl98

Delta Squad from Star Wars goes up against Hawkeye from Marvel.

The area their in is San Francisco.  Delta Squad has been given basic Knowledge about ‘Frisco.  Their goal is to eliminate Hawkeye.

Hawkeye is in his Ultimate Incarnation.  Delta Squad can have Sev.

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87 Comments on "Delta Squad Vs Hawkeye"

  1. Neon Lord February 16, 2015 at 7:09 am -      #1

    If the civilian population is around, the Commandos may get a lot of attention.

  2. Ragnorke February 16, 2015 at 7:27 am -      #2

    My money’s on the Commandos.

    Hawkeye really isn’t anything special.
    Granted Blaster shots aren’t very fast, but Hakweyes no bullet timer either.

    The commandos having basic knowledge on Hawky just make it all the worse.

  3. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 7:47 am -      #3

    “Ultimate Incarnation”

    this makes this a very different match than if it was 616…

    Ultimate Hawkeye sniping Ultimate Ghost Rider who was moving at 200 mph while a mile away..with an RPG
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    rapid fire
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2950023-he+feat+speed+arrow+shot+vs+kree.jpg

    more rapid fire
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    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2950025-he+feat+speed+arrow+shots+%282%29.jpg

  4. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 7:50 am -      #4

    room full of armed guards vs a waking up from being drugged Hawkeye
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2950030-he+feat+speed+vs+guards+%280%29.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2950031-he+feat+speed+vs+guards+%281%29.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2950033-he+feat+speed+vs+guards+%283%29.jpg

    accuracy and lethality extends to anything he can get his hands on
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    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2950056-he+feat+card+throw.jpg

  5. Darth Bombad February 16, 2015 at 7:52 am -      #5

    Well Ultimate Hawkeye does have a mini-nuke arrow.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111135553/4294952-4870831194-30198.jpg

    But my bet’s still on Delta, clone commandos are badass!.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ8k2qO2MMQ#t=105

    And it may be my imagination but their blasters seem to have a faster velocity.
    Plus four snipers (including Sev!) against one archer? yeah clones all the way.

  6. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 7:54 am -      #6

    and of course everyone’s favorite, the LNA aka the Localized Nuke Arrow
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2423470-colos_takes_local_nuke_001.jpg

    kills people with his fingernails
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2423797-ult._hawkeyes_finger_nails_2.jpg

    kills Magneto wannabe with glass
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2423798-ultimate_hawkeye_is_bullseye.jpg

    he’s also prone to pistol crossbows
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/46646/1359715-ultimatum4page17.jpg

  7. sadot06 February 16, 2015 at 8:00 am -      #7

    I vote for my avatar. Get nuked Delta Squad

  8. Darth Bombad February 16, 2015 at 8:28 am -      #8

    @Sadot
    Hah! i just noticed what your avatar was, funny coincidence they actually used it.

  9. Nsl98 February 16, 2015 at 9:29 am -      #9

    @Rag
    They don’t have basic knowledge of Hawkeye, it says they were given basic knowledge of the city.
    —–

    And they still have to find him.

    —–
    Pushes Cap out of the way of reflected bullets:

    m.vk.com/topic-67993718_30187676?z=photo-67993718_327535335%2Fpost-67993718_1927

  10. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 9:32 am -      #10

    that links to a thread not a specific image in the thread.

  11. Nsl98 February 16, 2015 at 9:36 am -      #11

    @Jake

    It goes to the image when I click it…odd.

    Anyway, it should be somewhere in the middle.

    Cap is on a boat, shooting at Thor, who reflects the bullets.

  12. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 16, 2015 at 2:19 pm -      #12

    “Hawkeye really isn’t anything special.
    Granted Blaster shots aren’t very fast, but Hakweyes no bullet timer either.”

    Pretty sure that was outside of EU(Delta’s only appearances are in the EU AFAIK, so I think it’s safe to assume they get it), with EU they’re supposed to be a lot faster from what I remember. How fast did you calc them to be again, out of curiosity?
    =
    “They don’t have basic knowledge of Hawkeye, it says they were given basic knowledge of the city.”

    That’s one of the rules on the Pile. They have basic knowledge, but nothing past that.

  13. Friendlysociopath February 16, 2015 at 2:48 pm -      #13

    Basic knowledge of the enemy was always a very vague premise. Personally I try describing a character in one short sentence.

    I’d imagine their info on Hawkeye would be something along the lines of:
    “A resourceful man who uses a bow and arrows.”

  14. Nsl98 February 16, 2015 at 3:36 pm -      #14

    That’s a rule? Ok, I like that, pretty cool.
    —-
    What’s Hawkeye’s info on them then?

    “A group of intergalactic space soldiers are hunting you.”
    —-

    @Friendly

    Ultimate Hawkeye also uses guns

    smg.photobucket.com/user/superferret/media/motivator150b0a18d59579f368e74cf35c92f47d84abc397.jpg.html

  15. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 16, 2015 at 4:17 pm -      #15

    “What’s Hawkeye’s info on them then?”

    “All parties involved in a battle are made aware of the opposition and a general idea of their capabilities. This means that no combatant is assumed to be at a passive demeanor past the merging point. That does not mean, however, that combatants are made aware of the opposition’s strengths, weaknesses, or past history.

    Further, no character is placed in the arena at a disadvantage inherent to their character depending on the used incarnation. For example, a battle that involves the incredible Hulk will never start with Bruce Banner unless the incarnation used cannot transform into the Hulk and vice-versa.”

    That’s the exact quote from the rules.

    Like Friendly said, it’s pretty vague.

  16. Friendlysociopath February 16, 2015 at 5:03 pm -      #16

    It’s vague, but, at the same time, specific as to what they would know:
    They know they have an enemy, they know who their enemy is, and they have a general idea of what they do.

    No strengths
    No weaknesses
    No past history
    Out of those 3, “strengths” is the hardest to quantify- weaknesses and history are perfectly clear.

  17. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 5:14 pm -      #17

    so would their info be something along the lines of “you are hunting a spec ops agent codename Hawkeye specializes in marksmanship should be considered armed and dangerous”
    and Hawkeye would be told “you are being hunted by a team of intergalactic commandos with intent to kill you”
    Or at least most likely something like that?

  18. Nsl98 February 16, 2015 at 8:16 pm -      #18

    Probably. Pretty vague and specific of you ask me.

    —–
    How will Delta Squad go about finding Hawkeye? Can they withstand his LNA?

  19. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 8:22 pm -      #19

    I don’t think they can withstand the nuke.

    Depends how far apart they start and where.

  20. Nsl98 February 16, 2015 at 9:06 pm -      #20

    Opposite sides of the city.

    Delta Squad is in the north, Hawkeye is in the south.

  21. Friendlysociopath February 16, 2015 at 9:16 pm -      #21

    Hawkeye even admits the nuke is a 15 to 20 feet blast, so for an AoE attack it’s pretty small.

    I think he’d have better luck with that gun arrow he used in The Avengers, if that really exists in canon.

    I guess this begs the question- how many people are in Delta Squad? And who or what is a Sev?

  22. Jake_Uzumaki February 16, 2015 at 9:16 pm -      #22

    then they have two options the four of them split up and move throughout the city looking for him, or stick together and move towards where they believe he is building by building.

  23. Neon Lord February 16, 2015 at 9:46 pm -      #23

    “I guess this begs the question- how many people are in Delta Squad? And who or what is a Sev?”

    Delta squad is a squad of four. Boss (leader), Sev (sniper), Fixer (hacker) and Scorch (explosives). “Sev is included” is there because the team had to leave him behind in the final mission of the game, and his fate remains unknown.

    @nsl98 – Is the city populated or empty?

  24. Neon Lord February 16, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #24

    “and Hawkeye would be told “you are being hunted by a team of intergalactic commandos with intent to kill you””

    Just nitpicking but Clones are really intergalactic 😛

    More something like “advanced clone commandos from a galactic space empire”

  25. Nsl98 February 16, 2015 at 10:11 pm -      #25

    The city can be abandoned, yes.
    —-
    What are Hawkeye’s odds against them if it come down to CQC?

    If they go from building to building, and eventually find Hawkeye (before he finds them), I could see Scorch attempting to blow it up or something.

    Scorch was always my fav :)

  26. Fezzes February 17, 2015 at 1:24 am -      #26

    I agree, Scorch was the best. On a side note, Republic Commando was one of the best games I have ever played. I really got it touch with Delta Squad, and was actually pretty upset at leaving Sev behind. It may not have been as dramatic as more modern deaths, but I actually gave a shit about the characters, partially because the AI was actually more intelligent than a brick.

    Anyway, from what I have seen here about Hawkeye, he seems pretty powerful. I’m on the fence about who wins. I want to say Delta Squad, but honestly I don’t really know.

  27. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 11:01 am -      #27

    So, given the LNA’s limited range, at best Hawkeye takes out one or two, leaving the others to deal with him.
    —-
    Now, it’s been ages since I played Republic Commando, so what was Delta Squads typical mobile set up?

    I was thinking it was Boss and Scorch in front, with Sev and Fixer in back.

    Knowing the set up would help with finding out who gets eliminated by the LNA.

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 17, 2015 at 1:21 pm -      #28

    “So, given the LNA’s limited range”

    Here’s the thing, that’s the ONE weapon in his arsenal that’s been shown that could kill any of them. In one of the Republic Commando books, it was noted that the armor allowed the Commando’s to jump on a thermal detonator and literally shrug off the explosion. I also recall mention of light cannon fire also being something they could survive.
    =
    What’s Ultimate Hawkeye’s range? Because it seems as if they’re out of that range(plus 15-20ft for the blast radius)and 15-20ft within Hawkeye and he won’t be able to use that arrow(don’t think he’d use it with him in range of the explosion).

  29. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 4:38 pm -      #29

    Not to sure about his max range with arrows, but what’s stopping him from an attempted snipe from a building?
    —-
    And Hawkeye had no qualms about being near the LNA when he fired it at Collossus.

  30. Friendlysociopath February 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #30

    And Hawkeye had no qualms about being near the LNA when he fired it at Collossus.

    Would that be before or after he screamed “EVERYBODY CLEAR”?

  31. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #31

    well he snipped Ghost Rider from a mile away…but that was with an RPG
    he hit Hulk with a syringe arrow from a helicopter.

  32. Neon Lord February 17, 2015 at 5:28 pm -      #32

    “Just nitpicking but Clones are really intergalactic”

    *aren’t dammit.

    ” In one of the Republic Commando books, it was noted that the armor allowed the Commando’s to jump on a thermal detonator and literally shrug off the explosion. ”

    I definitely don’t remember that. Do you have a quote?

  33. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #33

    @Friendly

    That was Hawkeye saying that? Oops. O_O.
    —-
    The fact that he has the skill to hit something moving that fast with something so slow should be something.

    So how would Hawkeye deal with the Squad if it comes to CQC? Are Commandos in any way more enhanced then a regular clone?

  34. Darth Bombad February 17, 2015 at 7:02 pm -      #34

    Physically? no not really but their armor is made of a superior alloy, is shielded and has
    a retractble vibroblade on their gauntlet that can cut clean through a durasteel droid.

    Oh and this guy starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fi_Skirata did survive jumping
    on a bomb without a scratch, its from the book Omega Squad: Targets. (which i don’t have)
    So take it with a small grain of salt, but CQC seems like a bad idea for Hawkeye.

  35. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 7:09 pm -      #35

    Commandos are also better trained. All clones (at least, in their prime) have the potential of living up to Jango’s stats. Few actually come close, and only one mirrored Jango’s peak (Boba).

  36. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 17, 2015 at 7:19 pm -      #36

    @Neon Don’t have the boom on hand at the moment. I’ll see if I can find it later.
    =
    @Marcel Welcome back!

  37. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 7:22 pm -      #37

    @ Chicano Thanks man! Been too long; thought I’d pop in over reading week. I’m seeing quite a few face I don’t think I recognize; the pile has a new starting lineup, it seems. How has…ah, business been here?

  38. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 17, 2015 at 7:30 pm -      #38

    @Marcel Yea, Rag’s has been our resident science man. Nsl98 and Rookie have probably been having the most matches posted on here, etc.

    As to the ‘Pile as a whole, it’s been a rough ride. Admin’s been going through with some stuff, that luckily he’s recovered from, and matches have been less frequent for a bit there, but have seemed to pick back up thanks to Rookie.

    Welp, gotta go back to work, be back on when I can.

  39. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 7:36 pm -      #39

    Honestly I’m going to say Hawkeye has one shot take them out with the nuke arrow and depends on them staying relatively close for several seconds, as good as he is with projectiles I don’t think he’ll be able to pierce their armor with anything. Unless he’s prone to having Ultimate Adamantium tipped arrows similar to 616 Hawkeye with 616 Adamantium tipped arrows.

  40. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 7:50 pm -      #40

    Adamantium>>>>>>any metal in SWverse. If Hawkeye has those, the only thing saving those poor clones are force field generators. Also, When does Hawkeye have a nuke arrow?

    @ Chicano Catch you later, bro

  41. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 8:38 pm -      #41

    this is Ultimate Hawkeye specifically…Ultimate Adamantium sucks compared to 616 (still better than Star Wars metals short of maybe Phrik but still)
    As for the Nuke arrow see posts 5 and 6

  42. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 8:43 pm -      #42

    So it’s a bit like a smaller version of Samus’ power bombs. That’s pretty sweet, actually! Also, my knowledge does not extend to Ultimate Characters so much :S . I may not be able to contribute much to this fight, then. Although, just saying, infantry grade force fields in SW are far below nuke yields, so if Hawkeye can place his shots well (depending on how many bomb arrows he’s got), looks like he’s pretty well set for distance domination.

  43. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 8:46 pm -      #43

    well there are plenty of Ultimate Hawkeye feats posted…he’s basically a heroic version of 616 Bullseye…he has super hand and eyes making him super accurate and lethal with anything he can throw…including killing people by flicking off his fingernails at their carotid arteries…breaking a two way mirror with a pen (and being able to see through it)
    I think he has like…10 times the normal number of cones in his eyes or something like that.

  44. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 9:20 pm -      #44

    Just curious, how many mini nuke arrows does Clint usually have on him?

    It doesn’t seem like its his first option to go for.

    The way I see it, Hawkeye is gonna try and play the range game. He knows he’s outnumbered by dudes with slightly better weaponry, so he’ll try to ambush/surprise attack or something.

    Also, would it be possible for Fixer to hack the traffic cams or something? Seems like a legit strategy tbh.

    @Marcel
    Nice to meet you! It’s nice to see an older Piler returning. I recall seeing your name on a bunch of threads from like, 3 years ago or something.

  45. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 9:40 pm -      #45

    @ NsI98

    Nice to meet you too! Yeah, my expertise extends to the scientific nature of certain debates, as well as more extensive knowledge of some popular Nintendo titles. Other than that, my other areas of expertise are limited to the nature of the debates themselves (how well I can communicate my argument/rebuttal). Other than that, I try to be civil. How long have you been at FP?

  46. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 9:42 pm -      #46

    I think he only carries one at any time as a “this is if I’m just utterly screwed” weapon.

  47. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #47

    @Jake
    Does being hunted by Space Commandos count as utterly screwed? Hawkeye’s regular arrows won’t do much, unless he typically carries Adamantium in this incarnation. I could give him some, if it’ll help…

    @Marcel
    Been here about 4-6 months, but lurked for like, 3. Didn’t really start posting till late October, early November. And there have been lots of Nintendo related threads recently iirc.

  48. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #48

    If he finds his regular arrows can’t do anything and he doesn’t get one shot killed then yeah I’d say this would count….but I don’t know if he could hit all of them with it.

  49. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #49

    Aight. Hawkeye can have a quiver of 15 Ultimate Adamantium arrows, along with standard load out.


    He is still more stealthy than them, and can still pull out a hit and run strategy. He certainly has the “particular set of skills” to do so.

  50. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 10:08 pm -      #50

    I see what you did there…Hmm, so Hawkeye’s biggest setback is going to be finding adequate cover and vantage points that don’t involve him getting picked off by clone sniper rounds. His weakness is range/cover, his trump card is a 20ft nuke radius. This could get interesting.

  51. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 10:19 pm -      #51

    huh…forgot about this…he did kill people with some sort of power armor suits..
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2602369-he_vs_mutiple_supermen.jpg

    considering his rate of fire he should be able to take them down if they try to confront him head on and he has cover. So now this is a battle between their strategy.

  52. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 10:25 pm -      #52

    So who’s better at improvising a strategy? Boss or Hawkeye?

  53. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 10:35 pm -      #53

    Not sure, both have different styles.
    Boss is a squad leader where Hawkeye is mostly a solo agent. This works to Boss’s edge as he has four people to work with in his plan and can try to bait Hawkeye into a trap more easily.
    Their strategies will revolve around their situations, Boss is without a doubt going to take advantage of his resources to try and force Hawkeye into a corner. Hawkeye is going to be trying to avoid getting boxed in. Its quite likely he’ll use sewers and subway tunnels to try and avoid getting caught by the Commandos. I don’t know how the Clones will go about their search though

  54. Marcel February 17, 2015 at 10:38 pm -      #54

    Yeah, disadvantage Hawkeye because all of his strats are limited to solo use; you can only implement so many tactics by yourself.

  55. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 11:22 pm -      #55

    So, basically, we have a general idea on how Hawkeye would handle things here, correct?

    Now all that needs to be determined is how the Commandos will attempt this mission.

  56. Jake_Uzumaki February 17, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #56

    I’d have to check on how they generally dealt with these types of situations on their hunts on courascant

  57. Nsl98 February 17, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #57

    K. Imma sleep.

  58. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 9:07 am -      #58

    @Jake

    Did you find anything?

  59. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 9:20 am -      #59

    not really, been skimming matches on the internet but other than knowing they hunted terrorists on Courascant I haven’t found many specifics.

  60. Marcel February 18, 2015 at 10:28 am -      #60

    @ Jake

    We might have better luck seeing how they go about hunting Jedi.

  61. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 10:35 am -      #61

    Well, if Order 66 is anything to go by, it seems like the Clones just ambush them and try and overwhelm them with numbers.

  62. Marcel February 18, 2015 at 10:46 am -      #62

    “Well, if Order 66 is anything to go by”

    It isn’t. Order 66 was designed to be a backstab operation; that was the whole point. The Jedi weren’t expecting dozens of their own guns to be trained on them at once, and thus no actual hunt was involved or necessary during the Order’s progression. However, Jedi did escape the aftermath of Order 66, and thus clones did actually go out on recon and hunting missions for superhuman military Commanders. However, I don’t know what’s all available to be used from EU now due to the canon switch…

  63. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 10:48 am -      #63

    Given that the Commandos only appearance in Star Wars was in EU, I think it can be used for research.

  64. SharkToasty February 18, 2015 at 10:49 am -      #64

    Delta Squad has far superior armor and weaponry, as well as numbers. But Ultimate Hawkeye? This dude killed a room full of people while tied to a chair. He flicked his fingernails through their throats. I’m not sure how effective a tactic like that would be against Delta Squad’s armor, but Hawkeye isn’t tied down and stripped of gear here. His Bullseye-esque accuracy will serve him well. Doesn’t he have a grappling hook arrow? A height advantage is all he needs to dispatch he commandos. It’ll be slow, and it’ll be dangerous, but I have faith Hawkeye can pull through. His regular guns won’t do a whole lot, but doesn’t he have a super-sniper of sorts? That’ll help.

  65. Marcel February 18, 2015 at 10:49 am -      #65

    Good to know. I may have to look into that.

  66. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 10:52 am -      #66

    Woah, my italics messed up, may have to fix that…

    So, I think Hawkeye, at least in his first encounter with them, might try to feel them out with his Adamantium arrows. Once he adapts to them , he could set multiple ambush spots and attempt with the LNA.

  67. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 11:09 am -      #67

    Huh. Didn’t see SharkToasty’s post till now. You new here too??
    —-
    And yeah, a height advantage was one of my scenarios too.

  68. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 11:34 am -      #68

    Yeah, Hawkeye will more than likely be able to get at least one definite kill with the Ultimate Adamantium arrows if he gets an opening without being in direct get filled full of holes view. Whether his ability to fire multiple arrows in the space of a few seconds like he’s shooting a gun will allow more or if the Clones will dodge or take cover first is up for debate.

  69. Cassie Hack February 18, 2015 at 2:09 pm -      #69

    So how bad would it be if he did kill a member and then managed to get their gun?

  70. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm -      #70

    He’d have to be quick about it if he wanted the weapon.
    —-
    Being close enough to take a downed soldier’s weapon is close enough for the rest of the group to CQC, which is bad for Hawkeye as he has no superhuman strength to fall back on.
    —-
    But if he got their weapons? Yeah, he could potentially end them all, one by one.

  71. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 5:27 pm -      #71

    What’s the range of EU DC17’s(or was it 15’s?)and how quick do they fire?

    Still looking for the quote on the Katarn armor, can’t remember if it’s in the first or second book. Doubt it was in the next three, but I’ll try to find it.

  72. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #72

    45-450 meters, its capable of changing from assault rifle to high powered sniper rifle to anti-armor grenade launcher. It also has a close quarters stun setting.

    It’s in Omega Squad: Targets from what I’ve read

  73. Neon Lord February 18, 2015 at 6:32 pm -      #73

    “I’d have to check on how they generally dealt with these types of situations on their hunts on courascant”

    Iirc, they eventually ended up posing as arms dealers and ambushed the terrorists at the rendezvous point.

  74. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 6:36 pm -      #74

    Or not…nothing I’m finding can seem to agree

    @Neon Lord
    well not sure that would be applicable here. But on the upside at least San Francisco is smaller than Courascant as a city

  75. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 6:53 pm -      #75

    Found it.

    “The police officers were right on top of him, unprotected.

    He flung himself flat on Kaim’s body, eyes tight shut so he wouldn’t see the shattered face, waiting long fractions within fractions of second before a shock wave lifted him like a body blow and raw noise filled his helmet. He felt as if he’d been shaken hard in a metal box. For an instant, red light flooded his eyes behind his closed lids.

    How long the next moments took he didn’t know. But he could hear the ARC shouting, ‘Droid those cams! Do it! Now!’

    He could hear yelling, so he wasn’t dead. That was something.

    ‘What do you use for brains, Fi?” Skirata hissed, supporting Fi’s shoulders. ‘You’re a di’kut.’

    Fi could feel bruises forming everywhere he had places. He sat upright with some difficulty, ‘Thanks for the sympathy, Sarge. I’m fine.’

    ‘You trust that pretty armor a lot more than I would.’ Skirata suddenly shook him fiercely by the shoulder. ‘Don’t you ever scare me like that again, son. You hear? Let the cops look after themselves.’
    It hadn’t been a big device, just enough to kill or maim a couple of people, but not enough to breach Katarn armor. He’d smothered the blast and the shrapnel that went with it. Fi hadn’t been 100 percent sure at the time that the armor would absorb the energy from the blast, and now that the adrenaline had finished coursing through his veins he felt shaky.”

    So, that’s the quote.

  76. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 6:56 pm -      #76

    “Or not…nothing I’m finding can seem to agree”

    Agree to the range of the weapons or the explosive thing, see above comment on the latter.

  77. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 6:56 pm -      #77

    Just thinking but didn’t Delta also have personal shields over the armor? I feel like they did

    @CH1C4N0444
    The explosives but moot now.

  78. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #78

    “Just thinking but didn’t Delta also have personal shields over the armor? I feel like they did”

    In the book it mentions that they have resistance to EMP and verpine shatter guns.
    =
    @Jake What I can’t find to agree is whether it was Katarn II or Katarn III. Not that it matters since either way they’re going to have Katarn III(which is supposed to be better). The book doesn’t really mention it, so I’ll see if I can find it somewhere else.

  79. Alpha or Omega February 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm -      #79

    Y’know, the localized nuke arrow is not standard nor current for Ult. Hawkeye. It only appeared once in the Ult. X-men comic. It didn’t appear anywhere else, and it would’ve been helpful during Ultimatum or against a vampire-smart Hulk.

  80. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 8:57 pm -      #80

    It’s the MK 3 2 was EMP hardened and EMP resistant, 3 ramped up the resistance to laser cannons and the grenades.

  81. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 9:48 pm -      #81

    Just curious, what makes Ultimate Adamantium so weak compared to 616?

    —-
    Any version of Marvel Adamantium should be enough to pierce Clone Armor imo…

  82. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #82

    Ultimate Hulk, who is vastly weaker than 616 Hulk was able to rip Ultimate Wolverine in half, his bones being coated in Ultimate Adamantium.

  83. Nsl98 February 18, 2015 at 10:01 pm -      #83

    Oh. Ok. It’ll still break the Clone Shielding, right?

  84. Jake_Uzumaki February 18, 2015 at 10:04 pm -      #84

    not sure.

  85. Neon Lord February 19, 2015 at 4:42 pm -      #85

    “So, that’s the quote.”

    Okay so it wasn’t a thermal det. But still a good feat.

    “In the book it mentions that they have resistance to EMP and verpine shatter guns.”

    Is this the short story? Because in the first book it specifically mentions vulnerabilities to both.

  86. Ordo11 February 23, 2015 at 10:24 am -      #86

    You are thinking of hard contact, targets they get mk2 and about true colors or order 66 the book, they get mk3.

  87. Ordo11 February 23, 2015 at 10:38 am -      #87

    I think you are also forgetting the part where they snipe with verpine rifles and they use a marker compound to tag some terrorist leaders.

    They also are up on that building about a day and are very well camoed and they impeccably hit their target.

    They also have beefed up bodies from the regular clones who are at the peak of human fitness.

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