Team from Halo Vs Death Star

Blue team, Fireteam Majestic with Palmer and Quick to Adjust board and try to destroy or permanently disable the first Death Star

Suggested by erickyboo

Blue team, Fireteam Majestic with Palmer and Quick to Adjust (First time here) board (all from Halo) and try to destroy or permanently disable the first Death Star (from Star Wars). They start off in a hangar where a cloaked Sahara Class-heavy prowler awaits them. Darth Vader is on the Death Star, the bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back arrive after 30 minutes, the emperor arrives after an hour. Canon Star Wars. The Death Star can ask for reinforcements.

Blue Team loadouts:

John-117: Z-130 Suppressor, M395 DMR, Havok Nuke, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, UNSC CTN 0452 9, autosentry armour ability.

Fred-104: Z-110 Boltshot, M6 Spartan Laser, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, 1 additional combat knife, hard light shield armor ability.

Linda-058: Z-750 Binary Rifle, Z-250 Lightrifle, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, promethean vision armor ability.

Kelly-087: Z-180 scattershot, SMG, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, teleport armor ability.

Fireteam Majestic loadouts:

Thorne: MA5D assault rifle, M6H1 magnum, 2 frags, active camo armor ability.

Madsen: SRS99-S5 AM Sniper rifle, M6H1 magnum, 2 frag.

Grant: M395 DMR, M6H1 magnum, 2 frag.

Hoya: M45D Shotgun, M6H1 magnum, 2 frags.

Ray: MA5D assault rifle, M6H1 magnum 2 frags.

Palmer: M395 DMR, 2 M6H1 magnums, 2 frags, hard light shield armor ability.

Quick to Adjust: His shielding module as seen in halo 3 ODST.

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189 Comments on "Team from Halo Vs Death Star"

  1. erickyboo February 14, 2015 at 5:59 pm -      #101

    woohoo! Page 2! Yay! Glad you guys are debating this. So it’s not bad for my first match then? The debate has been going on so yay! I haven’t stepped in much yet.

  2. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 14, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #102

    “Just re-read the chapter, Holly had a MA5K carbine and a sniper rifle. No weight given for the SRS99 sniper afaik, but it’s Russian analogue the PTRD weighs over 17 kg so around that.”

    Huh. So, I’m assuming it adds significant enough damage output to increase the overall output?
    =
    “n that particular scene, roughly, yes. It’s been a long time since I’ve read GoO in it’s entirety, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find scenes elsewhere where a S-IIs shields are brought down by much less.”

    O, I’m sure. Everything in fiction has feats that are all over the place.
    =
    ” Remember, this is a high end, though at least it’s a bit more realistic in the context of that scene compared to the ‘high end’ Blaster feats.”

    I realize it’s a high end feat, but it’s still a feat towards the shields. I don’t really see a problem with it to be honest.

    And regardless, they’re going to use the high end feats for their blasters, which even at the highest I’ve seen(before this)would get one shotted by the low end from the high end, doesn’t really bode well for them.
    =
    “So it’s not bad for my first match then?”

    Yea, I really like it!

  3. GrandMaster February 14, 2015 at 11:12 pm -      #103

    “Once she’s in the system, they don’t have to defend her.”

    But hey do have to defend themselves. And you still haven’t said why Cortana is going to magically know where vital systems consoles are on a moon sized station.

    “You do realise in the comic panel he doesn’t actually do anything to the AT-AT? They used the exact same drawing of the thing in the before and after pics, with some explosion effects added on.”

    He’s pretty clearly ripping it apart. You can see sparks coming out the AT-AT’s neck ash Leia says so herself.

    “In the name of stealth? This is assuming there are cameras in the first place.”

    How will the Spartans know their are cameras to shoot out?

    “9-10min. Zero explosions, even when hitting a hard plant. These are the most common showings of Blaster firepower in SW. We do not just cherry pick the highest.”

    Have you watched the movies? I’m beginning to question if you have. Because their are clearly fist sized holes made in the droids in episodes 1-3 and clearly fist sized holes in many walls in 4-6. I can pull up a vid if you’d like.

    “Like every single time he didn’t force crush blasters whenever facing them?”

    When did he ever fight someone with a blaster other than Han Solo who he force pulled his blaster away from. That’s another option aswell, and considering that Vader has enough force to stop an AT-AT’s leg, I’m thinking he can overpower a Spartan’s grip. He could also just crush their heads like melons when he sees them.

    “Vader isn’t a bullet timer. No Jedi is afaik.”

    He dosent need to be. He just has to use the force to stop the bullets in mid air as they are being fired.

    “With armor that’s relatively featless. That stuff could be as durable as a styrofoam cup for all we know.”

    It survived collapsing on itself unbent and was impervious to high powered blaster shots. This is also a perfect example why arguing without EU is a complete farce. We have to go in and basically make up 99% of SW’s capabilities. Even with variable power levels in the EU, it’s better than nothing.

    “If he was nothing special in SW then there’s no reason to think he couldn’t of been stopped. So, either their firewalls are so bad that even an Average Joe droid is capable of hacking the most dangerous weapon in that verse or they just don’t have firewalls.”

    The concept of the internet wasn’t around when Star Wars was made. The way stuff in SW works is quite simple: this button does x. Each computer/control console runs certain mechanisms and they aren’t interconnected at all. So unless Cortana can bend space-time, her hacking will be negligible unless she finds an important system.

    “When has he done this? Either way, I doubt that’d kill them seeing as they’re capable of flipping tanks according to WoG I’m sure the team could keep the corridor from crushing them.”

    He was crushing an AT-AT. Not exactly a massively different feat.

    “Either way, he’d have to crush it and then get through the Spartans shields, and then their armor and then their cyberneticlly enhanced body.”

    Doesn’t need to. He just has to pin them in place for the Storm Troopers.

    “How so? Most of the Stormies are going to have a hard time as it is trying to just aim at the Spartans, let alone hit them(although I will admit that it’s going to be impossible for all them to dodge all the bolts all the time. I realize they will get hit, and until proof of their shielding being superior to bolt fire, it will most likely be in one shot)and even those who do actually get lucky enough to aim at them and shoot at them they’re more than likely just going to dodge out of the way. Then you factor in that the Spartans are more or less going to just tear them apart limb from limb and it’s just not a good time for the Red Shirts, erg Stormies.”

    They shot pretty well against the Rebels at the beginning of New Hope. The only time they shoot poorly is against the main characters aka, PIS. They’re pretty good shots in the Clone Wars TV show aswell.

    “Why do you keep thinking there’s thousands of Stormtroopers on the Death Star anyways? We rarely see that many on screen at once. A few hundred I’d give you, but several thousands? On what grounds? They’ve got all of two people working together in most scenes, in some they have 5 or 6. Most of the Death Star is the giant gun, giant engines, and giant reactors- it’s not 120 km of space full of troops. And I’m curious how they’re all supposed to get to where the Spartans are if the ship is so big.”

    Why not? It’s a moon sized station, and considering there’s a Storm trooper in every single room they visit, a moon sized ststion probably has millions of Troopers. And you need to prove the Death Star is mostly engines and guns. And this is Again another example of why arguing without the EU is ridiculous.

    “Lol. You think Clone troopers are comparable to Storm troopers. You have just insulted the greatness of the GAR.”

    There one in the same. Unless you go into Legends Canon.

  4. Friendlysociopath February 15, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #104

    He dosent need to be. He just has to use the force to stop the bullets in mid air as they are being fired.

    Which he’s done when exactly?

    And you still haven’t said why Cortana is going to magically know where vital systems consoles are on a moon sized station.

    She’s a computer, she thinks in much faster time than we do. And why in all the hell do people keep bringing up the size of the station for hacking purposes?

    How will the Spartans know their are cameras to shoot out?

    I’d imagine they’d look up and say “Oh, cameras”. It’s not exactly foreign procedure to them. They’ve had stealth training. Heck, they could take off their armor and go subterfuge teh crap out of the DS. Which I’ll remind you Han and Luke managed to pull off with no real training.

    Each computer/control console runs certain mechanisms and they aren’t interconnected at all

    Which is why Artoo manages to control the garbage compacter from the communications room. The systems are connected. The concept of the internet was certainly around in the Republic’s time, why would technology levels drop?
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HoloNet

    And you need to prove the Death Star is mostly engines and guns

    A significant portion of any vehicle is it’s engine. A significant portion of any vehicle with weapons is typically the weapon itself. Are the games still canon to EU or not? Cause I know I’ve ran around inside the Death Star in one of them.

    It has enough power to destroy a planet, this requires big reactors. It’s almost the size of a planet, so it requires big engines. And then we see in the movies every small laser that comes to form the big laser is a very large shaft that goes deep into the ship.

  5. Neon Lord February 15, 2015 at 12:47 am -      #105

    “But hey do have to defend themselves. And you still haven’t said why Cortana is going to magically know where vital systems consoles are on a moon sized station.”

    By using whatever the Death Stars equivalent of the Internet is, seeing as systems are interconnected.

    “He’s pretty clearly ripping it apart. You can see sparks coming out the AT-AT’s neck ash Leia says so herself.”

    Sparking does not equal ripping something apart. We can see one armour panel being torn off on the right, potentially a second on the left rear. Hardly snapping its neck in any way, especially since it continued walking of afterwards completely fine.

    ” I can pull up a vid if you’d like.”

    Screw the walls, show me the droid ones. The number of showings in the TCW series far outnumbers the showings in the movies anyway.

    “He dosent need to be. He just has to use the force to stop the bullets in mid air as they are being fired.”

    Proof of anything remotely similar to this being done by a Force-user is required.

    “This is also a perfect example why arguing without EU is a complete farce. We have to go in and basically make up 99% of SW’s capabilities. Even with variable power levels in the EU, it’s better than nothing.”

    Except EU is now non-canon and as such does not constitute proof? We all hate it, but that’s just the way things are now.

    “They’re pretty good shots in the Clone Wars TV show aswell.”

    Because those are Clone troopers, and not Stormtroopers. There is a big difference between the two.

    “How will the Spartans know their are cameras to shoot out?”

    If Joltra says Han and Leia were shooting out cameras, I don’t see why the Spartans can’t.

  6. Warlock Lowk February 15, 2015 at 2:18 am -      #106

    “When did he ever fight someone with a blaster other than Han Solo who he force pulled his blaster away from.”

    When he killed several of Jabba’s guards and the same battle where he was ripping apart the AT-AT. He mostly used sabers either deflecting or tossing them.

  7. erickyboo February 15, 2015 at 1:39 pm -      #107

    Noo! The match is ‘falling down!’
    Let me try and revitalize it.

    Kelly Shaddock – Spartan 087. By 2558, 201 military operations and (124 full campaigns).

    “During PALE SHADOW, she triggered a reactor breach leading to a 50 megaton blast at a Covenant forward operating base, single-handedly saving the city of New Kona on the colony of Eirene. In HEMORRHAGE, she was covertly sent into the heart of the Covenant fleet in order to infiltrate a vital capital ship. Once inside, she sent this vessel on a collision course with its own fleet, destroying half the enemy’s vessels in the process”

    Here she has a scattershot and SMG. She also has the teleport armor ability do she can teleport around… Kelly is the fastest Spartan. I think Kelly could take on Vader. Her weaponry is suitable to fight Vader I think. Scattershot provides many shots that Vader couldn’t block, while the SMG provides a flurry of shots.

    Also the quote I provided talks about stealth…

    She might dodge Vader’s Saber strike.
    www.halopedia.org/images/f/ff/FastKelly.jpg

  8. GrandMaster February 15, 2015 at 4:05 pm -      #108

    Which he’s done when exactly?

    Never. But, we do know he has the force to stop a bullet and his Precog will alert him to where the bullet is.

    “She’s a computer, she thinks in much faster time than we do. And why in all the hell do people keep bringing up the size of the station for hacking purposes?”

    Same reason it’s easier to hack an email than it is a computer: complexity and quantity. The Death Star is a massive edifice with millions of controls and interfaces and will take far longer than hacking a single Covenent ship or Forerunner console. And, she still has to learn the tech, which will take up valuable time. And I brought it up because as I said befor the systems of the Death Star are not interconnected, which means to get to vital controls Chief will have to plug her into those specific consoles.

    “I’d imagine they’d look up and say “Oh, cameras”. It’s not exactly foreign procedure to them. They’ve had stealth training. Heck, they could take off their armor and go subterfuge teh crap out of the DS. Which I’ll remind you Han and Luke managed to pull off with no real training.”

    How will they know what Star Wars cameras look like? How will they know there actually disabled it? The Empire knew that Rebels were on board as soon as they entered the prison area and started shooting.

    “Which is why Artoo manages to control the garbage compacter from the communications room. The systems are connected. The concept of the internet was certainly around in the Republic’s time, why would technology levels drop?”

    He wasn’t in a communications room. And the Holonet is EU, so therefore not in this debate.

    “has enough power to destroy a planet, this requires big reactors. It’s almost the size of a planet, so it requires big engines. And then we see in the movies every small laser that comes to form the big laser is a very large shaft that goes deep into the ship.”

    It’s reactor is comparatively small when you see it in Episode 6. The Superlaser fireing mechanisms are on the outside of the station and we don’t know how deep the systems for the laser is.

    “By using whatever the Death Stars equivalent of the Internet is, seeing as systems are interconnected.”

    Yes of course, seeing as how people needed to be in a specific place to access functions of the Death Star. You had to be in the main control room to fire the Superlaser, you had to go to the tractor beam buttons to mess with the tractor beam and you had to be in a control room to influence parts of the ship in the surrounding area.

    “Sparking does not equal ripping something apart. We can see one armour panel being torn off on the right, potentially a second on the left rear. Hardly snapping its neck in any way, especially since it continued walking of afterwards completely fine.”

    The entire structure is shaking and bits and pieces are falling off of it. Not only that but Leia herself says Vader is tearing it apart. And if you look at, the neck is pretty clearly at an awkward angle and the inside of the cockpit (the neck) is shaking aswell.

    “Screw the walls, show me the droid ones. The number of showings in the TCW series far outnumbers the showings in the movies anyway.”

    www.bing.com/videos/search?q=star+wars+blasters+the+highest+settings&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=AA41C40D35F57D062F15AA41C40D35F57D062F15

    www.bing.com/videos/search?q=blaster+firepower+and+setting&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=9936DBA3B879CAA80E6E9936DBA3B879CAA80E6E

    www.veoh.com/watch/yapi-xmR1ee223zQ?h1=Star+Wars+Episode+2+%3A+Attack+of+The+Clones+Geonosis+Battle

    The bottom one shows several instances of droids being knocked down by blaster bolts and having limbs removed and holes made. The rest also show blaster firepower. And even if their lowest showings Blasters are still making craters equal to if not bigger than the ones made by a 50. cal.

    “Because those are Clone troopers, and not Stormtroopers. There is a big difference between the two.”

    According to the canon section of the Stormtrooper wiki article, it sayss the Stormtroopers were clones with upgraded armor and they were now known as Storm Troopers.

  9. Warlock Lowk February 15, 2015 at 4:46 pm -      #109

    “And the Holonet is EU, so therefore not in this debate.”

    Apparently the holonet was mentioned in TCW.

  10. Friendlysociopath February 15, 2015 at 5:17 pm -      #110

    Never. But, we do know he has the force to stop a bullet and his Precog will alert him to where the bullet is.

    He’s never been shown using his force for such small objects at such high speeds. He needs a feat for this to be valid.

    And, she still has to learn the tech, which will take up valuable time.

    Again, no evidence has been presented for why the Death Star is so foreign that Cortana won’t blend in just fine. Literally the only argument is because it’s a different universe, which is the absence of an argument
    -.
    And I brought it up because as I said befor the systems of the Death Star are not interconnected

    Except they are connected, we’ve seen R2 control things from rooms completely irrelevant to the nature of it. Like finding Leia’s cell and dealing with the garbage compactor- from the Communications room.,
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R2-D2#The_secret_mission
    “As the Wookiee Chewbacca and the three Humans went searching for the Princess’ cell and the tractor beam controls, R2-D2 and C-3PO took position in a communications room”

    According to the canon section of the Stormtrooper wiki article, it sayss the Stormtroopers were clones with upgraded armor and they were now known as Storm Troopers.

    If you continue reading, there’s this line.
    “As the clones’ accelerated aging process began causing their skills to deteriorate, they were replaced by non-clone volunteers and conscripts.”
    and this one
    “Unlike their predeccesors, the majority of stormtroopers were non-clone recruits.”

  11. Neon Lord February 15, 2015 at 5:25 pm -      #111

    “Never. But, we do know he has the force to stop a bullet and his Precog will alert him to where the bullet is.”

    We do not know he has the force to stop the bullet since he most likely will never see the bullet coming. There is no such thing as a force shield bubble he can use.

    “Yes of course, seeing as how people needed to be in a specific place to access functions of the Death Star. You had to be in the main control room to fire the Superlaser, you had to go to the tractor beam buttons to mess with the tractor beam and you had to be in a control room to influence parts of the ship in the surrounding area.”

    Because those are people who need physical interfaces. An AI inside the computer system does not.

    “The entire structure is shaking”

    Most of that effect is also present in the previous scene.

    “and bits and pieces are falling off of it.”

    As I said before, small pieces with no discernible source.

    “And if you look at, the neck is pretty clearly at an awkward angle”

    And if you look properly, it was already at that angle in the previous scene and they used the same exact drawing again.
    =
    First video has already been discussed and adds nothing to the debate now.

    Second vid fails to notice that we never see these high-end shots against organic targets ever. Or even something like B2 droids or Droidekas when they might’ve been useful. And again the number of mid-to-low end feats VASTLY outnumbers the high end ones.

    Third vid does not have any clear instances of “fist-sized holes” that I can see. At 9:23-24 we even see a couple of blaster bolts hit a rock wall to no real effect. At 6:48-49 we see quite a few shots hit the sand and not making large craters as you claim.

    “According to the canon section of the Stormtrooper wiki article, it sayss the Stormtroopers were clones with upgraded armor and they were now known as Storm Troopers.”

    In SW Rebels, we can see how Stormtroopers are not clones due to the existence of academies setup to train non-clones to be Stormtroopers.

  12. Warlock Lowk February 15, 2015 at 6:07 pm -      #112

    “There is no such thing as a force shield bubble he can use.”

    Jedi, including iirc anakin; created a large one to hold back gas in the zillo beast story.
    That aside the problem Vader doesn’t need to grab a bullet out of mid-air or create a shield to avoid getting hit. He just needs to blast out a wave of force to sliw or stop it.
    The problem of course being the speed and rate of fire. Speed could somewhat be handled by pre-cog. But there still the factor of how long he could maintain that. Plus how many directions is he being shot from.

  13. Friendlysociopath February 15, 2015 at 6:40 pm -      #113

    Er, in all seriousness- is the Halo/Dragonball Z animation canon?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OESmU4LYl7U

    Because that would mean just about every Spartan is capable of that manner of hitting and durability… in which case, screw subterfuge- punch through the walls until you find something vital, arm the bomb, run.
    Although that is pretty damn good feats for the bubble shield in any case.

  14. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 15, 2015 at 6:57 pm -      #114

    @Friendly Lol no, I just wanted to screw with Jolttra so I threw it in there. Sadly, he didn’t take the bait. That’s the only one that’s non canon. The rest are, no joke this time.

    If they really were that powerful I doubt they’d need nukes to take out Covvie forces, ever. Just send one Spartan and they’d literally stomp the entire force. Plus, if that were canon you know every single Halo fanboy would wank the ever living shit out of that for all vs debates.

  15. FlameStrike February 16, 2015 at 6:39 pm -      #115

    I saw a few arguments awhile back saying how thousands and techies and R2 droids would be able to stop Cortana’s hacking invasion. However there are a few problems to this.

    First the sheer number of human/alien technicians you have won’t really mean shit vs an AI of Cortana’s level. Adding more man power just doesn’t do anything after a certain point. All of these thousands of techies can’t coordinate their efforts in real time like some super AI can. They’ll end up doing redundant work, or getting in each others ways. That’s assuming their slow flesh and blood minds can even keep up with anything Cortana does.

    As for the R2 units, a similar issue applies. There’s no feats or proof of R2’s even having anti-hacking capabilities. R2-D2, a special droid, was able to successfully hack the Death Star despite all of the supposed anti hacking capabilities and technicians. Furthermore we have no idea if R2 units can work in parallel to support each other, so having more is not necessarily better.

    Of course that’s assuming that Cortana’s invasion will be detected in the first place!!! Chief could just plug her in, and she could stealthily make copies of herself and analyze the systems without being noticed. With her sheer computational speed, and the ability to copy herself and multiple her work power, I have no doubt she’d be able to figure out how to hack the Deathstar in time. The DS doesn’t exactly have any feats showing otherwise, and Cortana has experience working out alien tech. Add in QTA and we have a winning combo.

    As for the DS being super compartmentalized because it was made before the internet… WELL Starwars was made before Hyperspace was invented, so OBVIOUSLY the DS can’t go into Hyperspace! LOL You see how idiotic this line of thinking is? I’d like some proof that the DS’ systems are separated to a point where they’re totally impervious. D2 was able to find the location of a VIA prisoner from a random comm room, and able to manipulate doors from it. If the DS was really so analogue that wouldn’t be possible.

    Seriously once Cortana’s in I just don’t see how Starwars is gona get her out.

  16. Virgil February 18, 2015 at 1:44 am -      #116

    At last I’m back!

    I’m really liking this debate @Erickyboo, this is a very interesting scenario indeed. I’ll hopefully be able to bring something to the table.

    May I ask a question? Everyone keeps referencing a particular comic with Vader destroying the AT-AT, is that Legends content or literal canon at this point?

  17. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 1:49 am -      #117

    Wow, two people back from a long hiatus in one day!

    @Virgil Yes, that’s Disney Canon, to be fair, AT-AT’s are featless in current canon. That being said, I don’t think MJOLNIR could handle that level of force power.

  18. Numinous One February 18, 2015 at 1:50 am -      #118

    “May I ask a question? Everyone keeps referencing a particular comic with Vader destroying the AT-AT, is that Legends content or literal canon at this point?”

    Yeah it’s canon, Disney approved and all.

    Annnd ninja’d

  19. erickyboo February 18, 2015 at 1:52 am -      #119

    Have you guys seen star wars rebel? Specifically, that one episode where a stormtrooper fires at someone holding fruit and be is shielded by… fruit… fruit is apparently good armor against blasters.

    I have the ‘port’ compatibility from star wars/halo solved by having Quick To Adjust. youtu.be/CL7h8wE7ST0
    Did you know huragoks can ‘recharge’ by plugging themselves into power sockets? Or they can eat cake instead. Or they can make you a cake, or download an entire city-managing AI. That might also be a good battle, Quick to Adjust versus R2-D2.

    Vader, well I’m not sure how stopping the forerunner weapons would even go. John does have an Autosentry so he can deploy that. No need for ammo or holding weapons for it. Imagine an Autosentry attacking the stormies. Anyways, Linda, with teleport armour ability, she could teleport behind Vader and shoot him with a scattershot…

    Anakin, Yoda and Aayla work together to create the field pushing the gas out. How would that even deal with 905m/s bullets or forerunner weaponry?

    By the way, not in this match but there is a bubble shield armour ability.

  20. Marcel February 18, 2015 at 4:57 am -      #120

    @ Virgil

    Well, hello there. Long time no post.

    Okay, but seriously though, I’m thinking along the lines that the teams are royally screwed. Even as disorganized as the movie Death Star seems to be, it IS the size of a small moon. Time alone puts the teams at a sore disadvantage. Secondly, the numbers advantage. If word actually got around the Death Star that things were “not just another drill,” we are talking a manhunt that equates to just a handful of troopers against literal millions of Stormies patrolling every inch of the station. And that’s a BEST case scenario, seeing as the Death Star’s resident army would only need to send out manual station-wide patrols if nearly every camera on the Death Star was disabled. Poor teams. Poor, poor teams. They will be missed.

  21. Friendlysociopath February 18, 2015 at 6:47 am -      #121

    we are talking a manhunt that equates to just a handful of troopers against literal millions of Stormies patrolling every inch of the station.

    Problem being that numbers are completely guesswork without EU. Most of the time whenever you see empire personnel in the movies there’s only about 2 or 3 on screen at a given time. Even when Obi-Wan is sneaking around patrols are only 5 man teams or so- that does not imply a particularly large troop reservoir.

    And that’s a BEST case scenario, seeing as the Death Star’s resident army would only need to send out manual station-wide patrols if nearly every camera on the Death Star was disabled

    Like if a certain AI were to infiltrate the system and cause merry hacking shenanigans?

  22. Marcel February 18, 2015 at 10:18 am -      #122

    @ FS

    The size of the DS alone would have to put the numbers pretty close to the millions to to maintain the thing. Just throwing that out there. As for Obz, it makes sense he would have only been encountering regular squad patrols and such, not “search and destroy” parties, as the Storms clearly thought the whole situation was “just another drill.”

    “Like if a certain AI were to infiltrate the system and cause merry hacking shenanigans?”

    Precisely my point. However, I will ask you three things that potentially tip this scenario again: One, has Cortana ever even attempted to hack something that large? Secondly, how has she canonically fared against technology she has never seen before? And lastly, Vader is on that ship. Canonically, one of the best engineers/data programmers in the galaxy. And…you know…he’s got the force. Hence why I said it was a best case scenario.

  23. Friendlysociopath February 18, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #123

    One, has Cortana ever even attempted to hack something that large?

    She hacks High Charity, the Covenant’s Holy City. And, again, the physical size of the place would make no difference from a hacking standpoint.

    Secondly, how has she canonically fared against technology she has never seen before?

    Not entirely sure how to answer that.
    Exactly what is so new about the Death Star that she hasn’t come across? Lasers? Engines? Hyperdrive? She’s come across all of that already. Just because it’s from another universe doesn’t mean every system is different by default.

    And lastly, Vader is on that ship. Canonically, one of the best engineers/data programmers in the galaxy.

    EU canon or current canon? And Vader would need feats of finding enemy AI in his systems, which I’m 99% sure he didn’t have even in the EU.

  24. Warlock Lowk February 18, 2015 at 12:03 pm -      #124

    So rebels has shown that the empire have a database of information that can be hacked into. When communications are down they use droids as carriers for information.

  25. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 5:35 pm -      #125

    “He dosent need to be. He just has to use the force to stop the bullets in mid air as they are being fired.”

    Yes, he does. Even with precog if he isn’t fast enough to block them there’s no reason to assume he can do it.
    =
    “Doesn’t need to. He just has to pin them in place for the Storm Troopers.”

    Which he won’t be able to do since they’ll just tear through whatever material they’re made of.
    =
    “They shot pretty well against the Rebels at the beginning of New Hope. The only time they shoot poorly is against the main characters aka, PIS. They’re pretty good shots in the Clone Wars TV show aswell.”

    It’s not a matter of how well they shoot, it’s just that Spartans are just that fast. Normal people were having trouble shooting against them. That coupled with the fact that Clones have a bad record against people with agility and the fact they’re fast enough to bullet/aim dodge shows that they’re not going to hit very often.

  26. GrandMaster February 18, 2015 at 7:29 pm -      #126

    “Apparently the holonet was mentioned in TCW.”

    Did it specify the function of the Holonet or was it just a name drop?

    “Again, no evidence has been presented for why the Death Star is so foreign that Cortana won’t blend in just fine. Literally the only argument is because it’s a different universe, which is the absence of an argument”

    No it’s because Star Wars tech works on different principles than Halo tech. ‘Hyperdrive’ isn’t a thing in Halo. And, as I said before, she took time to figure out Forerunner and Covenent tech when she was introduced to them.

    “Except they are connected, we’ve seen R2 control things from rooms completely irrelevant to the nature of it. Like finding Leia’s cell and dealing with the garbage compactor- from the Communications room.,
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R2-D2#The_secret_mission”

    Yes, this shows some inter connectivity. But it is nowhere near enough to justify Cortana being able to access every function across the entire station through just 1 console. And again, certain systems are not interconnected. For example, ships in SW each have a life support control room. You can’t mess with trh life support outside of that control room even remotely. So unless the Spartans get to the Life Support control room or whatever control room they won’t be able to access the functions that control room dictates.

    “We do not know he has the force to stop the bullet since he most likely will never see the bullet coming. There is no such thing as a force shield bubble he can use.”

    He does have something called force push, which applies force in an indiscriminate area of Vader’s choosing. From the scans supplied, Vader should be capable of matching the force of a bullet. And as for speed, his Precog takes care of that.

    “Because those are people who need physical interfaces. An AI inside the computer system does not.”

    So we should just assume that an unseen interconnection exists even with no evidence hinting at an existence of one? Well, since we are speculating, what if it’s an interface Cortana can’t mess with?

    “Most of that effect is also present in the previous scene.”
    “As I said before, small pieces with no discernible source.”

    The bits and pieces falling off in the first picture look like rocks and dirt patches. In the second picture you can clearly see one of the panels being ripped off, several bits and pieces that look like pipes and chunks of the AT-AT coming off, and the legs are bending at an awkward angle and generating sparks. We even have an in-comic character say that Vader is ripping the AT-AT apart. But, that really isn’t needed to prove Vader could kill a Spartan with the force because he already held up the foot of an AT-AT, a lifting feat most likely in the tens of tons range.

    “Second vid fails to notice that we never see these high-end shots against organic targets ever. Or even something like B2 droids or Droidekas when they might’ve been useful. And again the number of mid-to-low end feats VASTLY outnumbers the high end ones.”

    Here’s Ki-Adi-Mundi’s death. You can see a hole in his stomach. You also see a spider droid get blown apart by Blasters.
    www.bing.com/videos/search?q=order+66+video&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=D6E6B5ADF1EE97C576F5D6E6B5ADF1EE97C576F5

    “As for the DS being super compartmentalized because it was made before the internet… WELL Starwars was made before Hyperspace was invented, so OBVIOUSLY the DS can’t go into Hyperspace! LOL You see how idiotic this line of thinking is? I’d like some proof that the DS’ systems are separated to a point where they’re totally impervious. D2 was able to find the location of a VIA prisoner from a random comm room, and able to manipulate doors from it. If the DS was really so analogue that wouldn’t be possible.”

    You completely missed the point… The point was illustrate why the DS would be compartmentalized.

    “Yes, he does. Even with precog if he isn’t fast enough to block them there’s no reason to assume he can do it.”

    The Pre-cog isn’t a feat of speed. It’s knowing when and where the bullets will to before they fire and adapting to it accordingly. And I believe Forerunner munitions are made of hard-light, so Vader could reflect them back into the Spartans.

    “Which he won’t be able to do since they’ll just tear through whatever material they’re made of.”

    I know Spartans are strong, by I thought they were more ‘break bones and dent steel’ strong than ‘tear through several feet of steel’ strong.

    “It’s not a matter of how well they shoot, it’s just that Spartans are just that fast. Normal people were having trouble shooting against them. That coupled with the fact that Clones have a bad record against people with agility and the fact they’re fast enough to bullet/aim dodge shows that they’re not going to hit very often.”

    Their dodging abillity will be hampered by the DS’ corridors though.

  27. Warlock Lowk February 18, 2015 at 7:46 pm -      #127

    “Did it specify the function of the Holonet or was it just a name drop?”

    Dunno it been a while since I’ve seen the episode. I just remebered it was mention somewhere and used the wiki to find which episode.
    However as I mentioned a recent SW: Rebels actually talk about a sort of internet that the empire uses.

  28. Alpha or Omega February 18, 2015 at 7:55 pm -      #128

    @Lowk
    I’m pretty sure that was a little different. Ceebo(did I get the name correct?) would be more like a human database storing information. Hacking Ceebo would be a little different than hacking a Death Star due to the magnitude.
    Though, this doesn’t change the fact that there’s a galactic internet or something like that, and maybe Cortana could hack it.

  29. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 18, 2015 at 8:20 pm -      #129

    “The Pre-cog isn’t a feat of speed.”

    I know it’s not.
    =
    ” It’s knowing when and where the bullets will to before they fire and adapting to it accordingly.”

    Which he’ll still have to be fast enough to do…

    Just an example of someone with precog not being fast enough to compete with speed.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3927671-quicksilver+vs+mister+x.jpg

    Or in Naruto…Naruto…is able to move too fast for Sasuke’s Sharingan to keep up with him.

    i.imgur.com/TB8RJ3W.jpg

    i.imgur.com/GSCRlnT.jpg

    So, yes, even with precog he still needs feats of speed to show him being capable of reacting things moving that fast with precog.
    =
    ” And I believe Forerunner munitions are made of hard-light, so Vader could reflect them back into the Spartans.”

    It’s questionable as it is if he could do it with bullets, let alone hardlight, since the ammunition is actually light.
    =
    “Their dodging abillity will be hampered by the DS’ corridors though.”

    Again, one of the Spartans was capable of doing just this against a corridor with Brutes in Glasslands. I’ll grab the quote later.

  30. GrandMaster February 18, 2015 at 9:23 pm -      #130

    “So, yes, even with precog he still needs feats of speed to show him being capable of reacting things moving that fast with precog.”

    Aren’t most of the Forerunner weapons either continuous beams or very slow to fire with the exception of the scattershot?

    “It’s questionable as it is if he could do it with bullets, let alone hardlight, since the ammunition is actually light.”

    Bullets would be burned to nothing if they hit the saber. As for Hard-Light, idk. I’ll have to go see if it has similar traits to Blasters.

  31. Friendlysociopath February 18, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #131

    I know Spartans are strong, by I thought they were more ‘break bones and dent steel’ strong than ‘tear through several feet of steel’ strong.

    They’ve got broken straight through steel doors and they were punching through concrete barriers just after being given their armor for the first time. And they’ve only gotten stronger since then.

    Well, since we are speculating, what if it’s an interface Cortana can’t mess with?

    Quick to Adapt could likely make a replacement interface in seconds, not concerned.

    No it’s because Star Wars tech works on different principles than Halo tech. ‘Hyperdrive’ isn’t a thing in Halo.

    ‘Slipspace’ is a thing in Halo, there’s barely any difference between the two beyond the name. The Death Star is not inherently that strange- it’s just a giant space gun.

    Yes, this shows some inter connectivity. But it is nowhere near enough to justify Cortana being able to access every function across the entire station through just 1 console.

    Currently there’s more evidence pointing towards the systems being interconnected than against it.

  32. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 19, 2015 at 4:27 am -      #132

    “I know Spartans are strong, by I thought they were more ‘break bones and dent steel’ strong than ‘tear through several feet of steel’ strong.”

    Even without MJOLNIR they’ve torn metal apart, one Spartan even tearing through metal as if it was cardboard. This also wasn’t one that was specifically noted for being strong either.
    =
    “Aren’t most of the Forerunner weapons either continuous beams or very slow to fire with the exception of the scattershot?”

    Not the ones in the games at least, and again, they shoot actual light.
    =
    “Bullets would be burned to nothing if they hit the saber.”

    I was mostly saying that Vader isn’t going to be fast enough to actually block them…
    =
    “As for Hard-Light, idk. I’ll have to go see if it has similar traits to Blasters.”

    No, he really won’t block these at all. Again, even if he has precog he’s still going to have to be fast enough to actually block them, with bullets it’s debatable, but not with light.
    =
    The quote I’ve been mentioning isn’t anywhere near as impressive as I recall. It’s too long for me to quote(it’s like 4 or 5 pages long and it’s mostly Black Box, an AI like Cortana, being amazed at how awesome Spartans are), but I’ll summarize. She tears through a shuttle craft(to quote BB: “She’s ripped open a shuttle craft. She’s torn metal apart like cardboard.”), and then she falls into the cockpit with the two Brutes that she takes out quickly. I was wrong on avoiding bullets, but she’s taking out multiple Brutes in CQC throughout the entire time.
    =
    Side not, kinda hard to tell exactly what caused this, but it seems like it’s the Grav Hammer being slammed into the ground by the Brute.

    i.imgur.com/AgrNgmB.jpg

    Again, could not be the Grav Hammer, but it seems that way to me at least.

  33. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 5:09 am -      #133

    “I’m pretty sure that was a little different. Ceebo(did I get the name correct?) would be more like a human database storing information.”

    Not talking about Ceebo. The recent episode had them tryinh hacking into there network from a walker but communication were down at the time. Becuase of that they used droids as carriers of info to and from place.

  34. Neon Lord February 19, 2015 at 5:29 am -      #134

    ” For example, ships in SW each have a life support control room.”

    Proof?

    “And as for speed, his Precog takes care of that.”

    Again, no proof to support this.
    =
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O3Dlujvyu0

    Replace all the Covenant with Stormtroopers and this is what the match looks like.

  35. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 6:03 am -      #135

    “Again, no proof to support this.”

    Proof that what? Force users are able to react to things because of an advanced warning it’s about to come?

  36. Friendlysociopath February 19, 2015 at 7:10 am -      #136

    Proof that what? Force users are able to react to things because of an advanced warning it’s about to come?

    Proof that they’re fast enough to react to things faster than blasters, precog doesn’t mean you suddenly can block or deflect any attack regardless of speed. Bullets go faster than blasters, and hard light guns go faster than bullets.

  37. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 8:42 am -      #137

    Not sure if this counts as evidence now but it is a show an example of what it would be like force repelling physical projectiles
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/3869420-9bpvl.gif
    ===
    ” precog doesn’t mean you suddenly can block or deflect any attack regardless of speed.”

    It gives you a warning to react before the actual attack not during it. As opposed to reacting as it’s coming.You don’t need equal or greater speed of the projectile.
    It like aim-dodging, supernatural aim-dodging.

    But as I mentioned before that gets completely fucked if your getting shot at from more then two directions simultaneously by a hail of rapid fire unless you’ve got speed like spider-man. Pre-cog or not Vader only has two hands to force push with.

  38. Friendlysociopath February 19, 2015 at 9:39 am -      #138

    It gives you a warning to react before the actual attack not during it. As opposed to reacting as it’s coming.You don’t need equal or greater speed of the projectile.

    While all of this is true, it’s not exactly the point.

    Let’s say his precog lets him know where the blaster bolt will hit him.
    Say the shot travels 10 meters.
    Even with knowing where the shot will go, he still has to move his saber into position to stop it before it travels those 10 meters.
    If a bullet were fired from that same distance with that same precog, the time he has to move into position is lessened because the bullet is faster.

    Thus he needs a feat of catching something going faster than blaster bolts, in both traveling speed and time between shots.

    (Side note, Etna vs Kos-Mos animation is almost done, next on my list is Sora vs Darth Vader :D)

  39. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 9:44 am -      #139

    The only speed I could find regarding blaster bolts speed is 34.9 m/s.
    “First, let me comment on the ground base’s blaster shots. The average for these things is just 34.9 m/s (78 mph).”
    www.wired.com/2012/05/star-wars-blaster-speed/

    Assuming he just used the pre-cog to guess where the shots would be rather then coming. At the speed they are going from 10 feet way he’d have 0.09 seconds(90 milliseconds) to react.
    The average human reaction time I think is somewhere in the +200 millisecond range.

    Do these guys seem more or less 10 feet away from Vader?
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-SyBlHnMbW2U/VNxAj4VFlcI/AAAAAAAH8_c/q1soOEdI_E0/s1600/p21_11.jpg
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    ===
    And if it is the react before the action actually occurs then its still sort of quick since he’d still be reacting inbetween the moments each shot is fired. In one case it looked like he deflected one right after another.
    I guess unless the sense gave him several moments of prediction time rather then each individual moment.

  40. Friendlysociopath February 19, 2015 at 9:58 am -      #140

    The only speed I could find regarding blaster bolts speed is 34.9 m/s.

    Okay, so using that- look at it like this: even blackpowder pistols had muzzle velocities over 200 m/s. Hence the insistence on proof of Vader catching something faster than blaster bolts.

  41. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 10:20 am -      #141

    “Even with knowing where the shot will go, he still has to move his saber into position to stop it before it travels those 10 meters.”

    But I’m saying that may not be the case if he’s moving it before it’s actually fired. You get what I mean. Like how spider-man doesn’t always move as the projectile is coming but instead before it. Hence why he is able to dodge stuff vastly faster then his own reflexes would be capable of.

    Then again the fact that he blocked one bolt right behind another would hint more at speed rather then solely pre-made moves. So guess that part regardless of how vader pre-cog works is still a speed feat.
    ===
    “Okay, so using that- look at it like this: even blackpowder pistols had muzzle velocities over 200 m/s.”

    And from a distance around 60 feet he would capable of reacting to it. Possibly a bit less since I’m almost positive those guys were less then 10 feet away from Vader.

  42. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 10:41 am -      #142

    Spartan rt is about 20 ms right?
    So the time it would take them to react plus how long it would take a shot from their regular assault rifle to reach Vader from 60 meter. It comes up to 90 milliseconds.
    If they are under the 60 meter mark, they got him.

    Of course that would be under a quick draw scenario and leaves out all the additional factors. Like the other weapons, pre-cog, if either got the drop on the other, others with Vader(He will absolutely not hesitate to use them as walking shields), how durable vader’s armor is, oh and the abilities.

  43. Friendlysociopath February 19, 2015 at 11:00 am -      #143

    And then there’s the Halo rifles, which have muzzle velocities of over 900 m/s. And fire bullets more quickly than blasters do.

    Spartan reaction time was estimated at 20 ms in the books because they couldn’t accurately measure them.
    And it increases in combat and with AI, plus the armor augments it further and Spartans were stated to be adjusting to their augmentations so that stat should increase even more.

  44. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 11:13 am -      #144

    “Spartan reaction time was estimated at 20 ms in the books because they couldn’t accurately measure them.
    And it increases in combat and with AI, plus the armor augments it further and Spartans were stated to be adjusting to their augmentations so that stat should increase even more.”

    So what 10 millieseconds? 1 millisecond? mircoseconds?!
    ===
    “And then there’s the Halo rifles, which have muzzle velocities of over 900 m/s. And fire bullets more quickly than blasters do.”

    My previous post was using that muzzle velocity.

  45. Friendlysociopath February 19, 2015 at 11:43 am -      #145

    So what 10 millieseconds? 1 millisecond? mircoseconds

    Uh, depends, how much does regular human reaction time boost in combat? At bare minimum using that multiplied on the 20 ms base should give us an estimate at least.
    As for with AI, Chief was able to smack aside a missile with her help, not quite sure how good of a feat that is- although it was locked onto his heat signature.

    My previous post was using that muzzle velocity.

    So it was, and then we have the higher firing rate of the weapons. Vader does not have the required speed to react to an assault rifle continuously in combat. Not to mention I can’t imagine a situation where he’s only facing one Spartan.

  46. Warlock Lowk February 19, 2015 at 12:08 pm -      #146

    “Vader does not have the required speed to react to an assault rifle continuously in combat.”

    I haven’t been under the illusion that he could. However he would be capable of constantly applying force to stop solid projectiles. Not catch. Not pick out each one individually. Wide Area
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4309235-anakin+force+pushes+b2+battalion.gif
    Constant blast of force
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4309242-anakin+influences+sands.gif
    ===
    “Not to mention I can’t imagine a situation where he’s only facing one Spartan.”

    Likewise, in that Vader often travels around, even into combat; with his meatshie-Imean-Troopers. Stormtroopers.

  47. the_man_with The_Answers February 19, 2015 at 2:38 pm -      #147

    “Have you watched the movies? I’m beginning to question if you have. Because their are clearly fist sized holes made in the droids in episodes 1-3 and clearly fist sized holes in many walls in 4-6. I can pull up a vid if you’d like.”

    And John has taken on multiple Prometheans a the same time. Who wield weapons that punch fist sized holes though Marines. They also weigh 1,000lbs, teleport, are shielded, can “respawn” and so on. He assaulted the Didact’s ship that was filled with those things, and also lager than the first Death Star. And he not only won, but the nuke completely demolished the ship.

    ” He could also just crush their heads like melons when he sees them.”

    Whenever Force users are bought up, there’s always a lot of “they COULD do X.” Except they NEVER do. Ever. When has Vader ever just crushed someone’s head with the Force?

    “He dosent need to be. He just has to use the force to stop the bullets in mid air as they are being fired.”

    Show him doing this from multiple different attackers.

    “Never. But, we do know he has the force to stop a bullet and his Precog will alert him to where the bullet is.”

    “Bullet.” As in a singular bullet. Mind how he’s going to do it against a much greater volume of fire from a variety of exotic weapons?

    “The Death Star is a massive edifice with millions of controls and interfaces and will take far longer than hacking a single Covenent ship or Forerunner console.”

    Which is why it took so long for Cortana so long to hack into and control parts of High Charity, a station far larger than the first Death Star…

    “And, as I said before, she took time to figure out Forerunner and Covenent tech when she was introduced to them.”

    All of…. seconds….
    And now she has a bio-nano machine on her side, seemingly capable of altering and interacting with any technology or materials extremely quickly.

    “He does have something called force push, which applies force in an indiscriminate area of Vader’s choosing. From the scans supplied, Vader should be capable of matching the force of a bullet. And as for speed, his Precog takes care of that.”

    Is he going to be Force Pushing in multiple directions constantly?

    “And I believe Forerunner munitions are made of hard-light, so Vader could reflect them back into the Spartans.”

    And what happens if he ties to block the Binary Rifle? That’s jacketed anti-matter. It hits the blade and so long Mr. Lightsaber, and possibly Vader along with it (Considering it can wipe out Elites and SPARTANs on contact).

    “Their dodging abillity will be hampered by the DS’ corridors though.”

    Which Also vastly limits the volume of fire they are receiving.

    And I don’t think the SPARTANs have to worry about superior numbers:
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  48. the_man_with The_Answers February 19, 2015 at 3:03 pm -      #148

    In short, the team is going to land and quickly get Cortana into the system. Even if she can’t directly access critical systems, she can more likely than not open and lock doors, wipe out the ability to track the SPARTANs via cameras and what not, while relying tactical information. With door control, it would allow SPARTANs to take a rather direct route, while also slowing down incoming enemies, as well as alerting the SPARTANs of what to expect. I don’t think you could argue that arguably the BEST SPARTAN-IIs, accompanied by an able bodied squad of SPARTAN-IVs, with Palmer whom has soloed significant numbers of Covenant on her own, are even going to be remotely threatened by Storm Troopers. Should be noted they will all have an extra level of shielding thanks to Quick to Adjust. The SPARTAN’s likely wouldn’t need to get that close to the center for the HAVOK to damage the Death Star to the point where it would no longer be useful. I mean, the same nuke they are using here utterly wiped out a ship with a volume of 7.3 million cubic kilometers, made of Forerunner materials. Compared to the Death Star’s volume of 2.1 million cubic kilometers.
    -

  49. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 19, 2015 at 10:21 pm -      #149

    “Spartan rt is about 20 ms right?”

    That was as 14 year old kids as I recall… In combat situations it’s faster… MJOLNIR MK IV makes it faster by a factor of 5… With Cortina even faster…
    =
    “So what 10 millieseconds? 1 millisecond? mircoseconds”

    Any of these could be a possibility.

  50. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 20, 2015 at 3:49 am -      #150

    “That was as 14 year old kids as I recall… In combat situations it’s faster… MJOLNIR MK IV makes it faster by a factor of 5… With Cortina even faster…”

    Quick thing to add to my last comment. Current armor is MK VII(at least for Chief. The rest are using Gen2 MJOLNIR or newer versions of MJOLNIR than MK IV but older than MK VII), so it should make them a lot faster than just five times. They were also adjusting to their augmentations at the time.

    So, how much faster is an adults reaction time compared to a kids? And how much faster do reaction times increase in combat situations? We might be able to get a better idea of how much faster Spartans are going to be in these situations. The only thing we won’t be able to account for though is how much faster they would’ve gotten once they adjusted to their augmentations and how much faster newer models of MJOLNIR have made them, but it’d still be good to know for future debates involving Spartans.
    =
    Grandmaster mentioned that Spartans are going to have trouble dodging blaster in the DS’s corridors, here’s a scan of 5 non-noteworthy Spartans dodging turret fire in a very small room. Granted the room’s a lot smaller, but the turret’s going to fire so much faster than blaster’s fire.

    i.imgur.com/gF2o0IW.jpg

    This turret came out of nowhere and they had no prior knowledge to it.

    This is the DS corridors.

    www.customstarwars.x3.hu/film/mouse_droid_chewbacca.jpg

    Like I said, it’s a lot smaller, but they were still able to dodge faster than blaster rounds.

    Normal people have a hard time as it is firing at Spartans. Spartans are also very acrobatic, which is something Stormies have trouble with. They’re also very capable of dodging bullets(a lot faster than blaster fire). Stormies are going to have trouble with these acrobatic bullet/aim dodgers that are strong enough to tear apart metal and flip tanks. CQC won’t be an issue for Team Halo.
    =
    @TMWtA Any idea how much energy a Hunter’s fuel rod canon has? So far we’ve got a minimum of 3.32 GJ(from Holly being vaporized in GoO), but it doesn’t take into account that the blast sent 3 half ton armored people into the air and Holly’s guns being destroyed as well.

  51. Warlock Lowk February 20, 2015 at 7:44 am -      #151

    “Quick thing to add to my last comment. Current armor is MK VII(at least for Chief. The rest are using Gen2 MJOLNIR or newer versions of MJOLNIR than MK IV but older than MK VII), so it should make them a lot faster than just five times.”

    Question, speed wise how fast was Kelly. Apparently in the Gen2 she can get up in the 40+ range in mph.
    Also where does each armor should make them a lot faster?
    ===
    “Any of these could be a possibility.”

    You can understand I kind of have a hard time believing that. I mean I know Spartans are fast but Chief has had trouble fighting a brute. With reactions like that he shouldn’t have even been able to touch him right? Wasn’t an elite capable of keeping up with Chief in a fight as well. Are Elites in that range as well?
    Or is that all PiS?

  52. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 20, 2015 at 10:17 am -      #152

    “Question, speed wise how fast was Kelly.”

    38.5 mph in MK V.
    =
    ” I mean I know Spartans are fast but Chief has had trouble fighting a brute.”

    IIRC the Brute was going berserk at the time. And I’ve never been under the impression that Brutes are “slow” creatures either.
    =
    “With reactions like that he shouldn’t have even been able to touch him right?”

    I’m sure SG and TMWtA can recall some reflex speeds for them, but I can’t right now. I do however remember a Hunter being capable of dodging missiles, and they’re supposed to be slow ones.
    =
    ” Wasn’t an elite capable of keeping up with Chief in a fight as well.”

    On a couple of occasions.
    =
    “Are Elites in that range as well?”

    Probably. Again, I can’t think of anything in particular, but like Brutes, have never been written to be slow.
    =
    “Or is that all PiS?”

    I wouldn’t say so, but it could be. IIRC most of the time Chief has gotten in CQC with someone it tended to be a high ranking member of that species or it was going berserk. If you see TMWtA post with the comic scans(post 147), you’ll see Chief owning a Brute in CQC range(after dodging multiple Spiker rounds)and then using it as a meatshield and tossing that Brute onto another Brute.

    Not Chief but in the instance I was mentioning in post 132 the Spartan did this:

    “She landed in the cockpit between two Jiralhanae apparantley mired in slow motion, She didn’t even raise her rifle. There wasn’t enough space, and that was a stroke of luck: the Brutes couldn’t make full use of their massive weight. She brough her fist straight up under the first Brute’s chin and snapped his back so hard that BB felt the small shock wave of his breaking spine travel back up her arm. The blow didn’t kill teh Brute outright, but he went down.

    The other swung at her, bellowing. He was a head taller but Namoi got her hand around his trachea and dug her fingers in hard while she brought the stock of her rifle down hard on the top of his skull. It took her a good seven or eight pounding blows to stun him before she could lean back and fire into his face at point blank range.”

    Just a bit later after that:

    “Namoi grabbed the Brute by the collar and jerked it off Vaz in one movement, freeing his arm so he could aim his carbine. He shoved the muzzle in the Brute’s mouth and pulled the trigger.”

    Granted, this Brute just got stabbed in the neck by Vaz(ODST)and was preoccupied with him. It could’ve been berserk since his teammate was killed by him before hand, but it doesn’t mention him being so.

    All that to say that while we have instances of Chief struggling with Brutes in CQC we also have instances of Spartans breezing through them as well. I would say the latter being more numerous than the former.

  53. Warlock Lowk February 20, 2015 at 1:28 pm -      #153

    Hm, maybe I should’ve gone with Majestic and Blue in my match. Wonder if I can add Blue as back up.

  54. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 20, 2015 at 2:25 pm -      #154

    “Also where does each armor should make them a lot faster?”
    -http://members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3 Starting at 1:15 Frank O’Connor states the MK VII is faster than previous incarnations.
    =
    “Hm, maybe I should’ve gone with Majestic and Blue in my match. Wonder if I can add Blue as back up.”

    What match is that?

  55. Warlock Lowk February 20, 2015 at 3:28 pm -      #155

    Well I guess unless the hallways are ridiculously long, Vader isn’t stopping their gunfire. So his best bet would probably be the use stormtroopers for cover. Otherwise he is getting lit up.
    ===
    “What match is that?”

    factpile.com/10472-hunt-hunters/

  56. Super Combine February 20, 2015 at 5:25 pm -      #156

    @Lowk
    “With reactions like that he shouldn’t have even been able to touch him right?”

    Assuming he was operating at full capacity, which, after fighting in orbit above Reach, being frozen, waking up to fight off Covenant boarders, surviving a crash landing, spending the next couple weeks fighting more Covenant troops, Flood, and Sentinels, all with little food and rest and no time for armor repairs, is highly unlikely. It’s little wonder he was overwhelmed by a Spec Ops Elite (with an energy sword) and then later by a Brute. Not long after the Brute incident we see Chief’s armor was pretty much on the verge of failure as of the beginning of Halo 2.

    Basically, outliners.

  57. GrandMaster February 20, 2015 at 10:23 pm -      #157

    “Even without MJOLNIR they’ve torn metal apart, one Spartan even tearing through metal as if it was cardboard. This also wasn’t one that was specifically noted for being strong either.”

    Wow. I never knew Spartans were Space Marine strong.

    “Not the ones in the games at least, and again, they shoot actual light.”

    Yes but they have very slow rate of fire from what I have seen.

    “I was mostly saying that Vader isn’t going to be fast enough to actually block them…”

    He isn’t going to block a barrage of bullets but he will block 1 or 2. But since most of the Spartans have Forerunner weapons, I don’t think Bullets will be a huge problem.

    “No, he really won’t block these at all. Again, even if he has precog he’s still going to have to be fast enough to actually block them, with bullets it’s debatable, but not with light.”

    I think you misunderstand. He isn’t moving while the bullets are being fired, he is moving before the trigger is being fired. It dosent matter how fast the bullets are, what matters is rate of fire.

    “And John has taken on multiple Prometheans a the same time. Who wield weapons that punch fist sized holes though Marines. They also weigh 1,000lbs, teleport, are shielded, can “respawn” and so on. He assaulted the Didact’s ship that was filled with those things, and also lager than the first Death Star. And he not only won, but the nuke completely demolished the ship.”

    But Chief never faces more than 10-15 Promethians at a time. The Spartans are going to be up against a never ending horde of Storm Troopers and 2 Sith Lords.

    “Whenever Force users are bought up, there’s always a lot of “they COULD do X.” Except they NEVER do. Ever. When has Vader ever just crushed someone’s head with the Force?”

    Vader has shown the abillity to apply massive amounts of force to an area of his choosing. But if it makes you feel better, he could just snap their necks instead.

    “Show him doing this from multiple different attackers.”

    He used the force to keep gas from leaking out a room, so that shows area of effect, and he’s stopped an AT-AT, so we know he is strong enough to stop a bullet.

    ““Bullet.” As in a singular bullet. Mind how he’s going to do it against a much greater volume of fire from a variety of exotic weapons?”

    From what I’ve seen, most of the Forerunner weapons have very slow rate of fire.

    “Is he going to be Force Pushing in multiple directions constantly?”

    Why would he? The Spartans aren’t going to be able to outflank him.

    “And what happens if he ties to block the Binary Rifle? That’s jacketed anti-matter. It hits the blade and so long Mr. Lightsaber, and possibly Vader along with it (Considering it can wipe out Elites and SPARTANs on contact).”

    Binary rifle has to hit a solid object, Plasma isn’t solid. So unless you can show me a binary rifle round hitting plasma and then destroying whatever the plasma is coming out of, you have nothing to go with.

    “And I don’t think the SPARTANs have to worry about superior numbers:”

    Killing what looks like 10-15 Brutes is a completely different affair from slogging through hundreds of thousands of Storm troopers, all of which have better weapons that the Brutes.



    Question to OP:
    Do the Spartans just have to detonate the bomb or do they have to extract themselves before detonation?

  58. the_man_with The_Answers February 21, 2015 at 3:13 pm -      #158

    “@TMWtA Any idea how much energy a Hunter’s fuel rod canon has? So far we’ve got a minimum of 3.32 GJ(from Holly being vaporized in GoO),”

    Maybe like 3.32GJ on the extreme high-end. I think it’s safe to assume that the energy is delivered in a rather concentrated manner. Hunters are portrayed, as well as fuel-rods, as anti-tank/anti-vehicle weapons. So based off of their role in-universe, their performance, and my suspension of disbelief I’d wager somewhere between 2MJ-20MJ or so. Or something like that. There aren’t really a lot of “calcuable” things that don’t end in stupidly high-ends.

    “You can understand I kind of have a hard time believing that. I mean I know Spartans are fast but Chief has had trouble fighting a brute”

    He struggled in the wake of nearly a week or two of sustained combat when his suit was in shambles and he got speed blitzed, because Brutes are also really fast. See pictures I posted where Chief solo-ed and entire room of Covenant including many brutes in CQC.

    “I’m sure SG and TMWtA can recall some reflex speeds for them, but I can’t right now. I do however remember a Hunter being capable of dodging missiles, and they’re supposed to be slow ones.”

    As far as raw speed goes, Chief said Brutes were just as fast as SPARTANs.

    “On a couple of occasions.”

    Twice. Once in Zero-Gee against a Spec-Ops Elite, and another on the bridge of Ascendant Justice, where Chief was weaponless and had spent the last 2 or 3 days in constant combat with no sleep or food, and who’s armor was malfunctioning, and the Elite was a Spec-Ops/Shipmaster with an energy sword. Chief otherwise casually kills Elites.

    “tossing that Brute onto another Brute.”

    For the record, Brutes weigh ~1,500lbs. Which Chief threw rather casually.

    “Wow. I never knew Spartans were Space Marine strong.”

    They fight and win against 1,500lbs super fast space gorillas that have the strength to casually toss armored marines around at speeds that kill the marines on impact.

    SPARTAN-II full-stopping a gravity hammer swing from a Chieftan, with one arm:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvNm4LLeQs

    “He isn’t going to block a barrage of bullets but he will block 1 or 2.”

    Unlike Stormtroopers though, SPARTANs with guns fire in hyper accurate bursts of full-auto. 1 or 2 bullets is only going to be a small fraction of the incoming fire.

    “I think you misunderstand. He isn’t moving while the bullets are being fired, he is moving before the trigger is being fired. It dosent matter how fast the bullets are, what matters is rate of fire.”

    Even assuming only 2 assault rifles, that’s 30 rounds he would have to block every second, from different directions.That’s 1 round every 33 milliseconds. Some rounds could be coming in at nearly the same exact time.

    “But Chief never faces more than 10-15 Promethians at a time. The Spartans are going to be up against a never ending horde of Storm Troopers and 2 Sith Lords.”

    And thanks to the narrowness they are never going to be up against any significant volume of Stormtroopers at one time. And 10-15 Prometheans is >>> a similar amount of Stormtroopers. And that’s for Chief alone.

    “Vader has shown the abillity to apply massive amounts of force to an area of his choosing. ”

    But never in that application.

    “But if it makes you feel better, he could just snap their necks instead.”

    Love how the Force is often regarded as this “end all” powerful ability against non-force users. Completely ignoring that there are many non-force users no where near as capable as a S-II that can go toe-to-toe with some of the best Force users. Which would never happen if everything just ended with “snapped their neck.”

    “He used the force to keep gas from leaking out a room, so that shows area of effect, and he’s stopped an AT-AT, so we know he is strong enough to stop a bullet.”

    Which are two completely different things from stopping bullets from multiple attackers at the same time, especially in a manner where he isn’t constantly on defense.

    “From what I’ve seen, most of the Forerunner weapons have very slow rate of fire.”

    Except there’s 10 different guns firing, 3 of which can achieve 15rps, and the others can still get multiple shots off per second. Two guns are shotguns, one of which fires hardlight, IE a spread of light speed shots occurring at the same time.

    “Why would he? The Spartans aren’t going to be able to outflank him.”

    Which means he’s going to be taking a ROF of 45rps minimum from upfront and still somehow going to be able to go on the offense?

    “Binary rifle has to hit a solid object, Plasma isn’t solid. So unless you can show me a binary rifle round hitting plasma and then destroying whatever the plasma is coming out of, you have nothing to go with.”

    Are you aware of what “jacketed anti-matter” would imply? The “jacket” protects the anti-matter from reacting with anything on the way to the target, and only “activates” once the “jacket” is broken. What would break the jacket? Impact, or say a light saber. And plasma may not be solid but it is still matter. It is also seemingly capable of differentiating “targets.” For example, if you shoot an enemy it will disintegrate them as well as their weapon, but not the ground around them or the very local atmosphere. Same if you shoot the weapon of an enemy. This includes energy swords, a plasma “constructed” weapon.

    “Killing what looks like 10-15 Brutes is a completely different affair from slogging through hundreds of thousands of Storm troopers, all of which have better weapons that the Brutes.”

    Except the Stormtroopers can never field those numbers at the same time. Not sure what you don’t understand about that. And he killed 10-15 brutes + dozens of other Covenant. And that was a single S-II. You have 3 more S-IIs in this case.

    -

  59. Warlock Lowk February 21, 2015 at 4:18 pm -      #159

    “But never in that application.”

    Do you mean crushing? Becuase Vader might actually be one of the few force users left in canon who has shown to crush things.
    ===
    “Love how the Force is often regarded as this “end all” powerful ability against non-force users. Completely ignoring that there are many non-force users no where near as capable as a S-II that can go toe-to-toe with some of the best Force users. Which would never happen if everything just ended with “snapped their neck.””

    To be fair some parts of canon got rebooted. Vader apparently snaps necks now when he wants to. Actually he did even pre-disney. Though from what I got, its when he’s fustrated and the character does not have plot shields.
    ===
    “Which are two completely different things from stopping bullets from multiple attackers at the same time, especially in a manner where he isn’t constantly on defense.”

    Think it depends on the amount of space and everyone’s placement. He can and has put up a constant amount of force in two directions at once. So the most he able to apply constant force blast would be capable is from two direction. But that leaves him open from the direction his hands aren’t pointed.
    ===
    @Manswers
    Any idea how to make the match in post #155 more even?

  60. the_man_with The_Answers February 21, 2015 at 4:56 pm -      #160

    “Do you mean crushing? Becuase Vader might actually be one of the few force users left in canon who has shown to crush things.”

    Crushing people or their heads

    “To be fair some parts of canon got rebooted. Vader apparently snaps necks now when he wants to. Actually he did even pre-disney. Though from what I got, its when he’s fustrated and the character does not have plot shields.”

    But how many times has he done it? You would think that if he just went around snapping necks effortlessly with the Force that there would be zero reason to do anything else.

    “Any idea how to make the match in post #155 more even?”

    I’m not familiar enough with Warframe or Ghost in the Shell to really judge that side of the match. Since Ghost in the Shell is anime, I’m assuming there are some ludicrous feats. Though letting Majestic have an open choice at the UNSC arsenal has some interesting applications.

  61. Friendlysociopath February 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm -      #161

    Since Ghost in the Shell is anime, I’m assuming there are some ludicrous feats.

    Not really, Ghost in the Shell falls under that section of anime that is more about story than
    “erhmagerd, splosions”. She’s decently strong and durable and is a bullet-timer, but as far as anime goes she’s not extremely powerful.

  62. erickyboo February 21, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #162

    “Question to OP:
    Do the Spartans just have to detonate the bomb or do they have to extract themselves before detonation?”

    They should ideally survive… They can use the Havok for other purposes too, as long as they can destroy or permanently disable thru death star. And they have the Sahara Class prowler which can be used for exfil

    Kelly can run at over 65 kilometers per hour. Fred could use the boltshot’s overcharge feature to blast Vader… it’s like 15 bolts at the same time when overcharged. I doubt Vader is blocking that if Fred manages to get in range. Linda can also simply teleport and use the scattershot on him, remember? Teleport armor ability. I can probably produce a clip of shooting an elite wielding an energy sword with a binary rifle and having him disintegrate… Not sure how much it would count. Remember though, they also have thrusters in the armor! Nice thrusters.

    Hm, I feel like sharing my universe stuff. I wonder where’s a good post I could post my stuff on. Maybe here as a side thing?

  63. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #163

    So just an update. New Issue of Vaders solo came out, not much in the way of combat feats. But Vader does use the force to take control of an enemy R2 unit and reprogram missiles to turn back on their owners. So…that’s a thing.

  64. Ordo11 February 25, 2015 at 1:52 pm -      #164

    Well that is rather weird

    If eu no contest but I’m pretty sure no eu so 60-50 Star Wars as earlier posts led me to think that they would win

  65. Friendlysociopath February 25, 2015 at 1:58 pm -      #165

    But Vader does use the force to take control of an enemy R2 unit and reprogram missiles to turn back on their owners.

    Purely for clarification, does he use The Force to reprogram with missiles or just turn them around? One is very different from the other.

  66. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 4:23 pm -      #166

    He seems to take control of an R2 unit which he then somehow uses to reprogram them.
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-H0BdZgK6Ya4/VO3_CaXL19I/AAAAAAAIJg0/-NdDQQXV1T0/s1600/p9_14%2Bcopy.jpg
    At least it seems like the droid is reacting to him applying the Force.

  67. Neon Lord February 25, 2015 at 5:41 pm -      #167

    That is quite an odd feat.

    Also shows how either Vader is a master programmer or that SW systems are easy to change. Probably somewhere halfway along that spectrum.

  68. Friendlysociopath February 25, 2015 at 5:58 pm -      #168

    Are there any other scans alongside that one?
    This is a confusing feat, although… this might be a semantics question- aren’t most droids meant to do exactly as you say anyways?

  69. Warlock Lowk February 25, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #169

    “Also shows how either Vader is a master programmer”

    Well he is the same guy that built a functioning pod racer, repaired, and built droids for a living before he even hit his teens. So the guy is a bit of an engineer.

  70. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 6:41 pm -      #170

    @Friendly
    This is true they are but….Vader was somehow forcibly controlling it to make it hack the way he wanted to…then the missiles turn around. If they had a similar force effect around them that most of the stuff they’ve drawn getting…forced then I’d think he turned them around….but there is no force effect…and the droid reacts to Vader doing…whatever the hell he’s doing.

  71. Friendlysociopath February 25, 2015 at 6:48 pm -      #171

    I mean, mind shenanigans were already a staple power of The Force, so I’m not entirely sure it’s him hacking the droid.
    (I’m assuming the missiles turning around was due to the droid’s influence)
    Especially when most droids are subservient anyways- at least to my limited Star Wars knowledge.

  72. Jake_Uzumaki February 25, 2015 at 7:04 pm -      #172

    I don’t think he was hacking the droid…I think he was somehow holding the droid and using its own access tool (which was plugged in already) and somehow blind hacking. A few scans later we see he had a “usb drive” that works the same way the hacking tool, shape and all..
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-ynqDzmGm6GY/VO3_DStpmxI/AAAAAAAIJhI/l_yTCPULOX8/s1600/p9_16%2Bcopy.jpg
    So it seems that he just knows what he’s doing with the access tool

  73. Warlock Lowk March 2, 2015 at 9:03 am -      #173

    On the whole force interacting with tech thing. The Inquisitor form Rebels manipulated, activated, and deactivated the torture robo arms.

  74. IAn7Endy24 March 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #174

    To Friendlysociopath
    INCORRECT YOUR A DERP!! Havre you ever played Star Wars Force Unleashed 1 and 2 Starkiller with FULLY upgraded force lightning can shock multiple stormtroopers (or any other opponent) at once without focusing on any oof them DUH! So yeah Vader could choke them all at once but the Didact did the same thing to MC so he probally is a bit more doging to choking moves than you might think.

  75. Friendlysociopath March 2, 2015 at 12:14 pm -      #175

    Implying Starkiller = Darth Vader
    Implying Force Lighting = Force Choke
    Implying grabbing regular humans = grabbing augmented superhumans
    Impying

  76. Jake_Uzumaki March 2, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #176

    Force Unleashed is not part of Disney canon (which is in play here) only the movies cg animated shows and the new comics and books that have come out recently. So there’s that problem too.

  77. erickyboo March 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm -      #177

    Let the fight resume!

    Quick to Adjust was actually in the newest halo novel but there wasn’t much.
    Here’s a quote though.
    “[…]but they can fix just about anything you can break. They can also hook up to just about any kind of computer hardware in the galaxy. Forerunner, Covenant and even human.”
    “They can, however, copy data at something like lightspeed, and they have enough onboard storage built in to keep a full-on AI stuffed in a hip pocket. If they had pockets. Or wore clothes. You know what I mean”
    “But I’ll be [REDACTED] if that Engineer didn’t crawl inside a nearby garbage truck and get it up and running again.”

  78. erickyboo March 11, 2015 at 11:19 pm -      #178

    Well it looks like this match had it… aww. Well it was a good match right. Maybe I should suggest another. I was thinking of maybe R2D2 vs Quick to Adjust. Hm, any new matches with Palmer should probably have the Hard Light shield standard as you can see by the picture below.

    www.halopedia.org/images/0/02/Halo_Escalation_20.jpg

    Looks like Palmer likes Hard light shield. I guess in this match if Vader gets close to Palmer or Fred, that could happen.

    We probably won’t get any new feats for blue team until e3. I did provide some extra material people probably didn’t know about. And I think I like these loadouts for blue team and Palmer. I wonder if Fred/Palmer could tackle Vader using hard light shield and thrusters.

  79. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #179

    While on a planet, chocking a captain of a Star Destroyer in orbit. No line of sight. So…Vader just has to sense and he can choke you.
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-4S2rpj7Oq_g/VQCV_XlDtyI/AAAAAAAId54/_drvf3ThgOg/s1600/p20_17%2Bcopy.jpg

  80. Limbo Lowk March 12, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #180

    Well then fuck. So I guess the next season of Rebels is going to be one giant bit of PiS… Still, Snips is back so at least that got rid of that hole in canon that bugged me.

  81. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 7:08 pm -      #181

    Its a Disney kids show the PIS was already strong with it.

  82. Alpha or Omega March 12, 2015 at 7:16 pm -      #182

    A Disney kid show that gotten a little in touch with the dark side.
    I feel like Season 1 is the build up.

  83. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 8:06 pm -      #183

    I hope so but…then again its Disney. They want me to think otherwise Vader needs to neck snap a bitch on screen.

    Seriously though that is a pretty impressive and hax feat.

  84. Ordo11 March 12, 2015 at 8:40 pm -      #184

    So we just bring back the part in the EU where Jason solo becomes a Sith Lord and just does that to the flag officer of his command ship.

    As Bobba Fett said he’s following in his grandfather’s footsteps.

  85. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #185

    3.bp.blogspot.com/-4S2rpj7Oq_g/VQCV_XlDtyI/AAAAAAAId54/_drvf3ThgOg/s1600/p20_17%2Bcopy.jpg

    So… where exactly does it say Vader is choking him?

  86. Jake_Uzumaki March 12, 2015 at 10:01 pm -      #186

    lets see he stops in mid sentence and starts making gurgling noises…what else would it be?

  87. Friendlysociopath March 12, 2015 at 10:17 pm -      #187

    Nevermind, mistook the point of that entirely. I thought he was supposed to be choking Luke in the top panel even in the lower ones.

  88. Neon Lord March 12, 2015 at 10:42 pm -      #188

    I still think the choking can only occur with some sort of communication connection i.e. the comm-system.

  89. Tacotown99 March 17, 2015 at 12:30 pm -      #189

    My opinion he has to have some sort of link with his target to know he’s killing the right person other wise he could be killing that poor redshirt next to him.

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