Team from Halo Vs Death Star

Blue team, Fireteam Majestic with Palmer and Quick to Adjust board and try to destroy or permanently disable the first Death Star

Suggested by erickyboo

Blue team, Fireteam Majestic with Palmer and Quick to Adjust (First time here) board (all from Halo) and try to destroy or permanently disable the first Death Star (from Star Wars). They start off in a hangar where a cloaked Sahara Class-heavy prowler awaits them. Darth Vader is on the Death Star, the bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back arrive after 30 minutes, the emperor arrives after an hour. Canon Star Wars. The Death Star can ask for reinforcements.

Blue Team loadouts:

John-117: Z-130 Suppressor, M395 DMR, Havok Nuke, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, UNSC CTN 0452 9, autosentry armour ability.

Fred-104: Z-110 Boltshot, M6 Spartan Laser, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, 1 additional combat knife, hard light shield armor ability.

Linda-058: Z-750 Binary Rifle, Z-250 Lightrifle, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, promethean vision armor ability.

Kelly-087: Z-180 scattershot, SMG, 2 frags, 1 pulse grenade, teleport armor ability.

Fireteam Majestic loadouts:

Thorne: MA5D assault rifle, M6H1 magnum, 2 frags, active camo armor ability.

Madsen: SRS99-S5 AM Sniper rifle, M6H1 magnum, 2 frag.

Grant: M395 DMR, M6H1 magnum, 2 frag.

Hoya: M45D Shotgun, M6H1 magnum, 2 frags.

Ray: MA5D assault rifle, M6H1 magnum 2 frags.

Palmer: M395 DMR, 2 M6H1 magnums, 2 frags, hard light shield armor ability.

Quick to Adjust: His shielding module as seen in halo 3 ODST.

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200 Comments on "Team from Halo Vs Death Star"

  1. Neon Lord February 12, 2015 at 7:38 am -      #1

    Halo vs Mass Effect, #6618

    Speak of the devil.

  2. Warlock Lowk February 12, 2015 at 8:23 am -      #2

    Spartan: Whats the call Chief.
    John: Let’s sprint this.
    Vader: *heavy asmatic breathing* NOOOO
    EDIT: OOOOOwait. Fett, I require your jet pack.

    Seriously though, if they can keep ahead of Vader they should do pretty well.

  3. Nsl98 February 12, 2015 at 9:10 am -      #3

    Couldn’t Vader just choke them all at once? He did choke someone in another room if I remember correctly.

  4. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 9:16 am -      #4

    Anyone with armor equal to John 117’s should be capable of dodging anything the Empire can throw at them, except perhaps Vader. One way or another this will be over far before the Emperor gets involved.
    MC was able to dodge bullets just a few minutes after getting his armor for the first time, and isn’t the popular consensus blaster bolts are slower than bullets?

    Couldn’t Vader just choke them all at once?

    Jedi seem to be very focused on only dealing with one person at a time. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone using Force powers on multiple opponents at once.

  5. Jake_Uzumaki February 12, 2015 at 10:19 am -      #5

    from Vader’s solo
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-SyBlHnMbW2U/VNxAj4VFlcI/AAAAAAAH8_c/q1soOEdI_E0/s1600/p21_11.jpg
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    4.bp.blogspot.com/-aggAexQW9fM/VNxAkthqRlI/AAAAAAAH8_w/lklJggrTiHo/s1600/p21_15.jpg

  6. Jake_Uzumaki February 12, 2015 at 10:21 am -      #6

    Okay so tried to post some stuff from Vader’s solo series but its awaiting moderation.

  7. Jake_Uzumaki February 12, 2015 at 10:24 am -      #7

    There’s also Vader vs AT-AT
    oi60.tinypic.com/av6hqx.jpg
    oi58.tinypic.com/jb7p0p.jpg
    oi58.tinypic.com/9fsmk8.jpg
    The AT-AT fires and Vader survives relatively unscathed and snaps a Stormtroopers neck with a gesture.
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    oi57.tinypic.com/2nhnwiv.jpg

  8. jhud February 12, 2015 at 10:46 am -      #8

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha, those poor stormtroopers they don’t stand a chance, this will be over before the bounty hunters get there.

  9. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #9

    Out of curiosity, exactly what is required to disable the Death Star? Because we have 10-11 people that the Stormtroopers aren’t going to be able to touch and Vader won’t have the easiest time against either.

  10. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 11:06 am -      #10

    @Jake: Those,are allfrom the new comics right? Because we have to use the new canon. Also, your AT-AT pics aren’t showing for some reason.

    The Death Star has millions of crew, several hundread thousand of them being Storm Troopers, , all of them armed. Blasters in Canon are still official Partical Canons so if one of the Spartans get hit they will ve injured and likely die, full shields or no. And as they get closer to important areas they will face more and more firepower. I don’t know if Trooper armor is bullet proof in the new canon but it’s something worth looking up.

    The Spartans have a long way to go and a lot in between them and vital areas like the reactor core. Also, there is no word of them having any kind of plans or prior knowledge of the facility. So they have to waste time downloading plans. Heavy resistance will come very quick because of the many cameras. There is no way they can accomplish their mission before the big guy gets here.

    Boba and Bossk have some canon feats from the TV show that will make them a capable threat. Cant say much about the other four, sadly. Vader woupd make short work of the group.

  11. Warlock Lowk February 12, 2015 at 11:22 am -      #11

    @Post #5
    Looking at that and Clone war era, Palpatine must have really been putting the screws to Anakin’s mind when he was luring him to the darkside. He has been a badass for both good and bad, except for that really whiny part in the transition between.
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    “Jedi seem to be very focused on only dealing with one person at a time. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone using Force powers on multiple opponents at once.”

    Vader has before he got all emo. Though one was on planet force central and the other instance I can think of was more indiscriminate crushing.

  12. Warlock Lowk February 12, 2015 at 11:25 am -      #12

    “Those,are allfrom the new comics right? Because we have to use the new canon.”

    These are the comics being done by both Disney and Marvel.

  13. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #13

    Blasters in Canon are still official Partical Canons so if one of the Spartans get hit they will ve injured and likely die, full shields or no.

    Right, those blasters that leave little tiny scorch marks on the walls are going to not only pierce their shields but also the armor. They’re also going to somehow not only match the speed of bullets, but exceed it.

    Also, aren’t Halo weapons meant to be enough to punch through Covenant armor and shields? I don’t think trooper armor is going to cut it, I somewhat doubt even Vader’s armor is bullet-proof. Any examples of regular firearms being used in Star Wars?

  14. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 12:02 pm -      #14

    “Right, those blasters that leave little tiny scorch marks on the walls”

    www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=PdvcVP22CorpoATwqIKwBA&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DUkl0tEeZPjc&ved=0CBwQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNFAjq7f7Hfo43yzWlOCUg9qAqL2AQ&sig2=OSxX2v9SjW9TEzdhhAAwXQ

    Right, “tiny” scortch marks.

    “Any examples of regular firearms being used in Star Wars?”

    Luke while on Tatooine, the Sand People,and Wookiees all use these weapons. The pattern being only technologically back water world using these weapons. While this doesn’t garentee bullet proof trooper armor it does show projectile weapons like bullets are considered inferior.

  15. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 12, 2015 at 12:03 pm -      #15

    ” Blasters in Canon are still official Partical Canons so if one of the Spartans get hit they will ve injured and likely die, full shields or no.”

    Any proof of this, from movies, Rebels, Clone Wars, new canon? Also, is there any reason to believe they can’t just dodge them?
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    “I don’t know if Trooper armor is bullet proof in the new canon but it’s something worth looking up.”

    Not to lowball their armor, but I’ve seen clips of the stuff not doing well against spears… That being said, if there’s any instances of them surviving something more impressive(i.e. like slug throwers in new canon, if they’re in new canon)then please, post proof, otherwise I’m thinking bullets will shred them apart.
    =
    ” And as they get closer to important areas they will face more and more firepower. ”

    They have a nuke.with a 30MT yield. If they have to use it to get out of a sticky situation they will, although I assume they’re more likely to use it to destroy the DS. Disabling it seems the harder way to go, but with Cortana and Quick To Adjust being on their team it’s likely they’ll be able to do either.
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    ” Also, there is no word of them having any kind of plans or prior knowledge of the facility. So they have to waste time downloading plans.”

    Shouldn’t be too much of a problem. With a Hurogak and Cortana they’ll probably be able to force their way in and get the info they need and shut down anything that they need to and the like.
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    ” Vader woupd make short work of the group.”

    Probably, but I doubt Spartans are stupid enough to engage him head on.

  16. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #16

    “Not to lowball their armor, but I’ve seen clips of the stuff not doing well against spears… That being said, if there’s any instances of them surviving something more impressive(i.e. like slug throwers in new canon, if they’re in new canon)then please, post proof, otherwise I’m thinking bullets will shred them apart.”

    In new canon? Not that I know of. But that bit with the spears in noncanon, too. So all we knowno for sure is that they provide protection against rocks and arrows.

    “They have a nuke.with a 30MT yield. If they have to use it to get out of a sticky situation”

    If they use that nuke they will die. Kind of defeats the purpose of blowing yourself to bits 200 kilometers away from your target just to kill a couple dozen guys with machine guns.

    “With a Hurogak and Cortana”

    They have neither in this mission.

    Edit: “Also, is there any reason to believe they can’t just dodge them?”

    Small narrow corridors and high volume of incoming fire. With blast doors everywhere. Aslo, grenades.

  17. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 12, 2015 at 12:40 pm -      #17

    “Luke while on Tatooine, the Sand People,and Wookiees all use these weapons. The pattern being only technologically back water world using these weapons. While this doesn’t garentee bullet proof trooper armor it does show projectile weapons like bullets are considered inferior.”

    Proof?
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    “In new canon?”

    Yea, it was on another Halo vs SW thread on here, but it was either from Star Wars Clone Wars or Rebels.
    =
    “If they use that nuke they will die. ”

    Not really, they don’t have to be anywhere near it to use it. MC used it to destroy the composer in Halo 4 IIRC.
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    “Kind of defeats the purpose of blowing yourself to bits 200 kilometers away from your target just to kill a couple dozen guys with machine guns.”

    I was mostly thinking of when Vader and the rest of his posse got there. Or if things are particularly bad and they’re more outnumbered than they usually are, although I doubt this one is likely.
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    “They have neither in this mission.”

    Read OP, MC gets Cortana and Quick to Adjust is a Huragok.
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    “Small narrow corridors and high volume of incoming fire.”

    Which is something Spartans have done. In Glasslands in particular I recall a Spartan doing so while also fighting Brutes in CQC.

    Also, anything close quarters is going to be a bad day for any nonforce user.

  18. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 12, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #18

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHm1T7nMZcw

    2:09-2:13 Here it is. It was on Cpt Rex vs MC and SgCombine posted it saying, and I quote: “Clone Armor stronk.” lol still gets me.

  19. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #19

    “Proof?”

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tusken_Cycler_rifle

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/6-2Aug2_hunting_rifle

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookiee_Slug-Thrower

    Slug Throwers have several canon appearances in the movies and are considered inferior to blasters.

    “Not really, they don’t have to be anywhere near it to use it. MC used it to destroy the composer in Halo 4 IIRC.”

    So they have have to outrun a 30 mt nuke? Sound more difficult then you make it out to be.

    “Read OP, MC gets Cortana and Quick to Adjust is a Huragok.”

    Had no idea who Quick to Adjust was and they used Cortana’s code instead of her name so I missed her. My mistake. Thought it will still take some of their precious time to hack the place. And Quick is slow and vulnerable.

    “Which is something Spartans have done. In Glasslands in particular I recall a Spartan doing so while also fighting Brutes in CQC.”

    A Spartan, not a group. They have less space to fight and have to outrun blast doors. They should,avoid elevators, too. End up a shooting gallery. Plus, only half the team is Spartans. Most being Spartan 4s who aren’t as good. And the rest are ODSt. Good soldiers but in no way enhanced.

  20. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 1:07 pm -      #20

    Wait- they have Cortana? Well then- mission over as soon as Cortana links into the DS network and tells it to destroy itself. Unless Star Wars has mad cyber-tech that I never hear about- Cortana could almost solo the Death Star.

  21. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 1:20 pm -      #21

    Cortana level tech is commonplace. R2 was able to hack several systems and he’s just a stock R2 unit. The Death star has thousands if such units. She would be locked out easy.

  22. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 12, 2015 at 1:33 pm -      #22

    “Slug Throwers mave several canon appearances in the movies abd are considered unferior to blasters.”

    I know those weapons make appearances, but is there anything within canon telling us that they’re projectile based and not blasters like everything else? Because looking at the sources every one of those uses EU to back up the slug thrower claim.
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    “So they have have to outrun a 30 mt nuke?”

    Never said that, I just said they don’t have to be anywhere near it when they detonate it.
    =
    “Sound more difficult then you make it out to be.”

    Again, pretty sure MC did it when he blew up the Composer.
    =
    “Thought it wull still take some of their precious time to hack the place.”

    How good are DS abilities to resist hacking? IIRC Cortana was capable of taking over a Covvie ship while simultaneously fighting the ship’s AI and was also able to resist the GM. And Hurogaks are Hurogaks.
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    “And Quick is slow and vulnerable.”

    I recall his shielding being able to tank Scarab guns point blank. At the end of ODST when they get in the Oilfant it’s able to take a few hits as I recall.
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    “they used Cortana’s code instead of her name so I missed her.”

    It’s fine, I had to look it up too at first.
    =
    “A Spartan, not a group. They have less space to fight ”

    A Spartan fighting in cramped quarter as well with guys even bigger than she was?
    =
    ” Plus, only hal the team is Spartans. ”

    The only non Spartans here is QTA and Cortana.
    =
    “Most being Spartan 4s who aren’t as good.”

    They might not have the same training, but considering Spartan IVs are filled with former ODSTs and SIIIs, maybe a few SIIs I don’t see why they aren’t.
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    “And the rest are ODSt. Good soldiers but in no way enhanced.”

    No one here is an ODST. Maybe a former ODST, but not currently one. The thing about MJOLNIR(unless Gen2 armor changed it at all)is that only Spartans could wear it, and all SIVs are outfitted with that armor.
    =
    “Wait- they have Cortana?”

    Yup, she’s under MC’s equipment. I had to look it up too. UNSC CTN 0452 9
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    “Cortana level tech is commonplace”

    Regardless of whether AIs are commonplace in SWverse or not, you’ll have to show resistance to hacking feats that exceed her own capabilities.
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    “R2 was able to hack several systems and he’s just a stock R2 unit. The Death star has thousands if such units. She would be locked out easy.”

    Which are all relatively featless.
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    Random side note, while the Halo forces all have their own starting equipment and the like, there’s no reason the Huragok couldn’t take some SW weapons and merge it with the Forerunner and UNSC tech that they already have. Or make Cortana a body made from parts from the DS.
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    Welp, I’m heading out for a while. I’ll probably end up coming back later in the day.

  23. pimpmage February 12, 2015 at 1:33 pm -      #23

    Or she does what she did in the books. Replicate herself to infinity and clog up everything like 40k style scrap code.

  24. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 2:06 pm -      #24

    “Again, pretty sure MC did it when he blew up the Composer.”

    He only survived that because Cortana protected him. And that was with a solid hologram system that doesn’t exist on the DS.

    “I recall his shielding being able to tank Scarab guns point blank.”

    I don’t. I do recall having to protect himfor the last few levels and him being put into a heavily armored Elefant to survive.

    “They might not have the same training, but considering Spartan IVs are filled with former ODSTs and SIIIs, maybe a few SIIs I don’t see why they aren’t.”

    There are no 2s or 3s in the Mark 4 program. They are a seperate group with far fewer enhancements and cheaper (though technically more advanced) armor.

    “Regardless of whether AIs are commonplace in SWverse or not, you’ll have to show resistance to hacking feats that exceed her own capabilities.”

    Can’t really do that without using the EU. Butstill, one AI vs thousands. It’s goung to at least slow her down.

    “Random side note, while the Halo forces all have their own starting equipment and the like, there’s no reason the Huragok couldn’t take some SW weapons and merge it with the Forerunner and UNSC tech that they already have. Or make Cortana a body made from parts from the DS.”

    I don’t think either of those are possible. At least not mid battle. Plus that would take a long time and leave the group as sitting ducks.

  25. Super Combine February 12, 2015 at 2:34 pm -      #25

    Frank O’Connor does say in an interview their armor allows them to go “toe to toe” with a Spartan II.

    Starts at around 1:14

    members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3

    If you can’t quite hear what he says it’s basically summed up to SIV’s Gen 2 armor being faster, stronger, and lighter than Spartan II’s Mark 6 and 7.

    Majestic and Palmer still suck though.

  26. FlameStrike February 12, 2015 at 3:39 pm -      #26

    If the Deathstar’s R2 units are so good at anti hacking, how come they didn’t notice R2-D2 downloading the plans and messing with the doors/trash compactor? I think R2-D2 is something special. Even then it’s not on Cortana’s level.

    If all R2 units were master hackers with super AI there would be more feats, or at least more mention of their destructive capability. I doubt any of those R2 units, or even R2-D2 have shown any feats remotely as powerful as Cortana has.

  27. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm -      #27

    Huh, come to think of it- was it ever explained why R2-D2 is just so much better at doing things than other R2 units?

  28. Super Combine February 12, 2015 at 3:54 pm -      #28

    ^
    Something about never wiping his database every 2 weeks or some such.

  29. Glutinous-Bicarbonate February 12, 2015 at 3:59 pm -      #29

    Pretty much that.

  30. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 4:22 pm -      #30

    “If the Deathstar’s R2 units are so good at anti hacking, how come they didn’t notice R2-D2 downloading the plans and messing with the doors/trash compactor? I think R2-D2 is something special. Even then it’s not on Cortana’s level.”

    That was a ruise. They let them get away. It was all part of a plan to get Leia to show them the Rebel base.

  31. erickyboo February 12, 2015 at 4:35 pm -      #31

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    I did put Cortana under equipment. And used quick to adjust as he was probably the most visually iconic huragok. They have to figure out their way into the death star so that’s where quick to adjust comes in handy. There are those debates about hacking compatibility and stuff so quick to adjust should be a good fix for that.

    Now let’s debate! Quick to Adjust was placed in an Oliphant… a garbage truck. They were on the highway so yeah. And he transferred the shields to the Oliphant.

  32. jhud February 12, 2015 at 4:37 pm -      #32

    Stop just stop its quite obvious joltra doesn’t know the lore of halo as well as he should.

  33. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 4:37 pm -      #33

    Remember in Empire Strikes Back when they were trying to flee and R2 tried to hack several doors failing over and over, even getting shocked at one point and flying like 30 feet? Took him like 30 miniurtes to finally get threw. I think the DS would have netter protection then that.

  34. FlameStrike February 12, 2015 at 5:00 pm -      #34

    Cortana is also really adaptable when it comes to hacking foreign technology. She wasn’t she able to figure out how to manipulate Forerunner tech, a completely alien tech base she never saw before? By the end she was hacking it like no tomorrow. The fact that the human AIs were able to screw around with Covenant tech is another feat. I don’t think an alternate universe human computer tech would be too hard for an AI of Cortana’s level. Once Chief gets to a computer port of some kind and plugs Cortana in, the Death Star’s systems will be in serious jeopardy. I wouldn’t be surprised if she could get it to self destruct hahaha.

  35. GrandMaster February 12, 2015 at 5:17 pm -      #35

    The only way I could see the Spartans and Co winning would be through stealth, and praying to a higher power that Vader dosent sense them. If they go for an open battle they will be trapped in 1 area by blast doors and will be overrun by a never ending tide of Storm Troopers. And for Cortana, isn’t the reason she can hack Forerunner tech because all Covenent and Human tech is loosely based on/bastardized from forerunner tech?

  36. Neon Lord February 12, 2015 at 6:07 pm -      #36

    “Also, there is no word of them having any kind of plans or prior knowledge of the facility. So they have to waste time downloading plans.”

    Hugarok and Cortana makes it ridiculously easy. One can manipulate hardware into basically whatever it wants, the other can do the same with the software. Once they have access to a console, they can override all the camera controls and blast door controls and just shut off everything except one path for the Spartans to get through.

    “Right, “tiny” scortch marks.”

    Han’s blaster is NOT a normal blaster. Let alone an E-11.

    “Small narrow corridors and high volume of incoming fire. With blast doors everywhere. Aslo, grenades.”

    The Spartans can just use their hard-light shields as riot shields and run up and punch whoever is in the way.

    “Huh, come to think of it- was it ever explained why R2-D2 is just so much better at doing things than other R2 units?”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think his database has never been wiped before. As such, he’s an interesting character in that he can still everything from Episode 1 when he is in Episode 6 and beyond. (Correct me if I’m wrong).

    R2 also got a few upgrades throughout his lifetime.

  37. Super Combine February 12, 2015 at 6:10 pm -      #37

    isn’t the reason she can hack Forerunner tech because all Covenent and Human tech is loosely based on/bastardized from forerunner tech?”

    UNSC tech isn’t based on Forerunner tech at all. Cortana was specifically made to infiltrate/interact with alien computers. Although Covenant cyber security is pretty bad and their few examples of “smart” AIs are actually cheap rip offs captured UNSC ones.

  38. GrandMaster February 12, 2015 at 6:49 pm -      #38

    “Han’s blaster is NOT a normal blaster. Let alone an E-11.”

    That’s from the Old EU. Prove that Han’s blaster is better than the others. And their are plenty of examples of Blasters the Storm troopers carry doing the same thing.

    “The Spartans can just use their hard-light shields as riot shields and run up and punch whoever is in the way.”

    The same Hardlight shields that can yield to bullets…

    “Hugarok and Cortana makes it ridiculously easy. One can manipulate hardware into basically whatever it wants, the other can do the same with the software. Once they have access to a console, they can override all the camera controls and blast door controls and just shut off everything except one path for the Spartans to get through.”

    Star Wars was made before the Internet, the only way to control the Death Star would be to get to the control room, where Vader is. And your making the assumption that Cortana can manipulate alien tech on the fly, and someone in this thread said that she needed time to learn alien tech. I can’t speak for the Huragok but I thought they were more like hyper-fast builders.

  39. FlameStrike February 12, 2015 at 7:41 pm -      #39

    I think he’s referring to the shield grenades, not the built in shields Spartan Armor have. The shield grenades are pretty much impervious to anything we’ve seen in the Haloverse. They stop bullets, plasma, explosions, lasers, and etc.

    I highly doubt the Death Star is compartmentalized to the point where if Cortana was plugged into the system, she wouldn’t be able to control it. R2-D2’s hacking proves that you can at least control all sorts of doors and download top secrete plans from the database once you’re in. Just because Starwars was conceived before the internet was a widespread thing doesn’t mean the Deathstar has outdated computers lol.

    I don’t think any amount of Stormtroopers would be TOO big a threat to the elite Spartan team. The only real game breaker I think is Vadar. Still he’s only one Jedi, and he can’t stop all of the Spartans from completing their objective. If Vadar threatened them on team could hold him off while the other plants the nuke or etc and they escape.

    Of course this is all assuming that Cortana couldn’t just take over the Deathstar once she’s jacked in. I’m still waiting for sufficient proof of either Cortana not being able to hack the Deathstar, or the Deathstar having anti hacking programs stronger than Cortana can crack.

    In fact, I recall at least the Deathstar two was VERY hackable. I remember that story from “Tales of Bounty Hunters” or something. There was this one droid bounty hunter that infiltrated the Death Star 2 and basically took complete control without any of the Sith or technicians noticing. The DS2 was destroyed before he could start his plans for real, but it’s an anti-feat for the Deathstar being Cortana-proof.

  40. GrandMaster February 12, 2015 at 7:58 pm -      #40

    “I think he’s referring to the shield grenades, not the built in shields Spartan Armor have. The shield grenades are pretty much impervious to anything we’ve seen in the Haloverse. They stop bullets, plasma, explosions, lasers, and etc.”

    How long do they last?

    “highly doubt the Death Star is compartmentalized to the point where if Cortana was plugged into the system, she wouldn’t be able to control it. R2-D2’s hacking proves that you can at least control all sorts of doors and download top secrete plans from the database once you’re in. Just because Starwars was conceived before the internet was a widespread thing doesn’t mean the Deathstar has outdated computers lol.”

    Pretty sure he does it from a control room in the Death Star. And from what I know only the central control room has control over the whole station. The other ones just control certain sections of it. Ex: the prison control room controls that prison cell block, the room C3-PO and R2 were in controls the doors for that section of the station, etc. The best Cortana could do (IMO) would be finding the life support control room and turning it off. That is assuming of course she has time to figure out how the Empire’s tech works.

    “I don’t think any amount of Stormtroopers would be TOO big a threat to the elite Spartan team. The only real game breaker I think is Vadar. Still he’s only one Jedi, and he can’t stop all of the Spartans from completing their objective. If Vadar threatened them on team could hold him off while the other plants the nuke or etc and they escape.”

    10 Storm Troopers, probably not a big deal. A couple Hundred Thousand Storm Trooper on the other hand, would be a threat.

    “In fact, I recall at least the Deathstar two was VERY hackable. I remember that story from “Tales of Bounty Hunters” or something. There was this one droid bounty hunter that infiltrated the Death Star 2 and basically took complete control without any of the Sith or technicians noticing. The DS2 was destroyed before he could start his plans for real, but it’s an anti-feat for the Deathstar being Cortana-proof.”

    That story was from the old EU. If we want to use that, than a Blaster is going to be 1-2 shot 1 kill on a Spartan and Vader will kill them all when they enter the station. Also in that story, IG-88 had months to take over the whole station and the plans for the station.

  41. Tsubodai February 12, 2015 at 8:26 pm -      #41

    There’s a lot of talk about hacking the death star – but I have to ask. What’s the point? The OP specifies permanently disable – how do we know it can be disabled through hacking? Is there a completely computer-reliant self-destruct mechanism I don’t know about? Because if not, then the best hacking could do would be to lock the imps out of the stations’ systems, maybe reduce the number who could intercept them.

    So, suppose the imps are locked out. Suppose further that the boarding team can move at walking pace (2.5 m/s, for argument’s sake) towards wherever they want on the station even after accounting for stormies in the way and the time it takes them to figure out where they’re going. Where can they go to do irreparable damage? That would be main weapon control, the main reactor, the hyperdrive, or the bridge. Shielding, smaller weapons, crew quarters, sublight, etc. are all probably too distributed for one nuclear blast to do the job.

    Now, the death star has a radius of 60 km. So it’s not unreasonable to suppose the closest target to disable the station would be 15 km away. That’s 6000 seconds to get there, aka more than an hour and a half. So lets be done with the ‘this’ll be over before the emperor arrives’ stuff, hmm?

    Now the question becomes is the emperor so badass he can sense them through the force, get to them, and kill them all in the half an hour remaining until they make something important go boom.

  42. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 10:37 pm -      #42

    There’s a lot of talk about hacking the death star – but I have to ask. What’s the point? The OP specifies permanently disable – how do we know it can be disabled through hacking? Is there a completely computer-reliant self-destruct mechanism I don’t know about?

    How can a massive, space-faring weapon of immense power be disabled through computer hacking?

    Easily, either take command and tell the DS to ram a planet then destroy the control system, or you could just charge the weapons and then never give the order to fire, or just make the life support system fail- there’s a ton of things that can go wrong with a little assistance.

  43. Jolttra February 12, 2015 at 10:58 pm -      #43

    “R2-D2’s hacking proves that you can at least control all sorts of doors and download top secrete plans from the database once you’re in. ”

    “Of course this is all assuming that Cortana couldn’t just take over the Deathstar once she’s jacked in. I’m still waiting for sufficient proof of either Cortana not being able to hack the Deathstar, or the Deathstar having anti hacking programs stronger than Cortana can crack.”

    Ok, let’s get something strait. R2 did hack the system. But all he did was look up where Leia was being held and stop one trash compactor and he had to go to seperate terminals to accomplish this. Barely noticeable in a planet of data and information. If he was doing something big, like trying to power down yhe engines or set a sepf destruct, he would have been locked out immediately. This is still One A.i. and one Hurock vs thousands of R units, hundreds of tech worthy enginers and moniters, and what ever firewalls and anti hacking systems are already up. A hostile take over of any major system would be met with massive resistance. Even if they could hack the system it would take way longer then they have. During which the Spartans are isolated and surrounded, killed off by heavy fire or Force chokeing, Quicker is dismantled for study, and the DS is completely scanned to remove the active threat.

    “shield grenades, not the built in shields Spartan Armor have. ”

    Those aren’t in the load out. Only the armor ability. And that shield is small, has very limited time for use with a long recharge, only protects one side meaning surrounding the user or a well place grenade will still kill, and it cannot protect against the Force. Even if they did have the “shield grenades” as you put it, those are single use and last about a minute at best. And a Spartan can only hold one. They are also static meaning it will slow them down more then anything.

  44. Jake_Uzumaki February 12, 2015 at 11:32 pm -      #44

    Would the Spartans actually think to try and plug Cortana in?

  45. Friendlysociopath February 12, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #45

    Would the Spartans actually think to try and plug Cortana in?

    Yes? It’s pretty much the first thing she tells you to do in any given situation.

    @Joltra
    Come up with a legitimate reason why Cortana can’t just overload every computer on the ship, then we’ll talk. Citing 1,000 featless R2 units isn’t helping anyone.

    But all he did was look up where Leia was being held

    All he did was find their most important prisoner’s location, nothing big- they wouldn’t be bothered to have high amounts of security on that.

    Barely noticeable in a planet of data and information. If he was doing something big, like trying to power down yhe engines or set a sepf destruct, he would have been locked out immediately. This is still One A.i. and one Hurock vs thousands of R units, hundreds of tech worthy enginers and moniters, and what ever firewalls and anti hacking systems are already up. A hostile take over of any major system would be met with massive resistance.

    You have provided zero proof for this.

    I like how everyone thinks that there’s any way for the Empire to sufficiently engage the Spartans in large numbers. The Death Star isn’t exactly spacious. Cramped quarters favor the smaller numbered and better trained team. Do Stormtroopers come with night vision or thermal vision? Cortana could just turn out the lights.

    If a 30+ year-old droid can successfully hack the greatest weapon the Empire has- I don’t see Cortana failing.

  46. Warlock Lowk February 13, 2015 at 12:23 am -      #46

    “If a 30+ year-old droid can successfully hack the greatest weapon the Empire has- I don’t see Cortana failing.”

    Bit of a nitpick but in this case wouldn’t 30+ years basically be consider experience? I mean that is why he is so good at what he does right? Cuz he hasn’t had his memory wiped or whatever. Wouldn’t that be like saying “oh well this guy has 30 years of lockpicking and picked that door, must mean that locks are nothing special”?

  47. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 12:54 am -      #47

    Bit of a nitpick

    He’s 30+ years outdated I mean, experience is all well and good- but he’s got parts that are 30 years old and he can hack into the Death Star to control some doors, find their most important prisoner, and then stop the garbage compacter.

  48. Warlock Lowk February 13, 2015 at 1:09 am -      #48

    “He’s 30+ years outdated I mean, experience is all well and good- but he’s got parts that are 30 years old”

    But he’s capable of learning and adapting like regular people right? So the only problem being outdated should have is whether or not he has the means to physically interface. Which he does.
    A 30 year old organic hacker can hack as long as he know what he’s doing right? Wouldn’t R2 essentially be the same?

  49. Darth Bombad February 13, 2015 at 1:12 am -      #49

    A note on blaster firepower….



    Nothing team Halo has can stand up to blaster fire, and before you start
    with the B.S. nit-picking yes i know most of those aren’t Stormtrooper rifles.
    But its a general idea of SW firepower, and blasters are pretty interchangeable anyway.

    (edit) And yes i know they have to actually Hit them
    but Spartans or no they’re not getting through this unscathed.

  50. Soulerous February 13, 2015 at 2:29 am -      #50

    Let us not forget that when R2-D2 hacked into the Death Star he already had the complete plans to it. Leia gives them to him in the opening scenes of the movie.
    ~
    @Darth Bombad- That has some really good showings. Nice find.

  51. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 13, 2015 at 3:24 am -      #51

    Sidenote, good match up Eric. Really like it.
    =
    “He only survived that because Cortana protected him. And that was with a solid hologram system that doesn’t exist on the DS.”

    I’ll have to rewatch it then.
    =
    “I don’t.”

    When he gets into the Olifant his shields extend to the entire vehicle.
    =
    “There are no 2s or 3s in the Mark 4 program.”

    Actually, I looked it up again, there are SIIIs, just not IIs.
    =
    “They are a seperate group with far fewer enhancements”

    They don’t have the cybernetic enhancements IIRC, but that’s it.
    =
    “and cheaper (though technically more advanced) armor.”

    Which makes up for the lack of cybernetics that the IIs have.
    =
    ” Butstill, one AI vs thousands. It’s goung to at least slow her down.”

    Which are still relatively featless, and Cortana could always just make more of herself or QTA could always reprogram R2 units.
    =
    “Plus that would take a long time and leave the group as sitting ducks.”

    I’ll have to find the quote, but Hurogaks have made complex machinery with nothing but scraps, that’s how the Brute Choppers came about, just some/a Huragok(s) messing around and boom, Choppers. Don’t recall it taking Lighter Than Some too long to do either.
    =
    “In fact, I recall at least the Deathstar two was VERY hackable. I remember that story from “Tales of Bounty Hunters” or something. There was this one droid bounty hunter that infiltrated the Death Star 2 and basically took complete control without any of the Sith or technicians noticing. The DS2 was destroyed before he could start his plans for real, but it’s an anti-feat for the Deathstar being Cortana-proof.”

    Legends Canon, no longer canon.
    =
    “Bit of a nitpick but in this case wouldn’t 30+ years basically be consider experience?”

    For a person, yes, for a machine that has tech that’s 30 years older than current models, no. Imagine hacking modern day computers with one of these:

    core0.staticworld.net/images/idge/imported/imageapi/2014/10/14/03/ibm1-100515967-orig.jpg

    I’ll admit, I don’t know much about tech, but that just doesn’t seem like a thing that could happen.
    =
    “A note on blaster firepower….”

    You make a valid point.
    =
    So, are there ways to stealth your way throughout the DS? Probably wouldn’t work either now that I think about it, with force users and all that jazz.
    =
    Welp, going to have to give it to DS.
    =
    Side note, apparently Frank O’Connor said that Spartans can in fact flip tanks… Going to have to dig through the interwebz to find the actual quote, as opposed to others saying it, for some other threads on here, not this one in particular. Although, it would be interesting to see Spartans using SW vehicles as weapons…

  52. Warlock Lowk February 13, 2015 at 4:13 am -      #52

    “For a person, yes, for a machine that has tech that’s 30 years older than current models, no. Imagine hacking modern day computers with one of these:”

    That comparison would be more valid if we were talking about a regular computer that people use but he’s a functioning AI that learns as it, grows? Ages? His software isn’t the problem.
    If anything he’d be limited by the tools, his hardware; he has. Seeing as he was able to interface with stuff in the first place those don’t seem to be too outdated either.
    ===
    “Side note, apparently Frank O’Connor said that Spartans can in fact flip tanks…”

    I would honestly like to hear how he said it but I don’t have the dvd with the commentary. Think it was mentioned in homecoming.

  53. Neon Lord February 13, 2015 at 4:23 am -      #53

    “A note on blaster firepower….”

    This gets posted up all the time. What the SW people fail to notice is that it says “highest settings” a la high showings. You don’t see any of this vaporisation stuff when hitting organic targets with or without armour. Or even droids half the time for that matter.

  54. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 4:26 am -      #54

    “Come up with a legitimate reason why Cortana can’t just overload every computer on the ship, then we’ll talk. Citing 1,000 featless R2 units isn’t helping anyone.,”

    Ok, let’s take a moment to actually look at Cortana’s history as a hacker. First off she needs a specialised port to gain entry. A type of port that may not actually exist on the entire Death Star. They use tapes to store data for crying out loud. So just getting into the system may pose a ptoblem. Now, she is of course well versed in UNSC technology. She can hack into Covenant tech but they have no real hack protection. Most of their communication is on unencrypted channels and their AIs are fewer and less effective. Forerunner tech is very similar to Covenant Tech, hence why she was able to work most of it with some ease. But when presented with a counter system, such as Guilty Spark or the firewall on the Didect’s ship she was at a clear disadvantage. So she isn’t a master hacker. And again, thousands of R units and human technicians. I know they are technically featless and beyond R2 there isn’t much I can use. But with so many stacked against her it’s going to be tough.

    “When he gets into the Olifant his shields extend to the entire vehicle.”

    Wasn’t that only possible because it plugged into the Olifant? Unless you want to increase the DS shield strength I don’t see that helping.

    “I’ll have to find the quote, but Hurogaks have made complex machinery with nothing but scraps, that’s how the Brute Choppers came about, just some/a Huragok(s) messing around and boom, Choppers. Don’t recall it taking Lighter Than Some too long to do either.”

    Huragoks are builders, not hackers. They can build and reassemble many technologies, but they can’t actuall control them. Other species must research them. So in reality he may not be of any help in the,attempt to hack the DS. Beyond maybe building the proper terminal.

    “If a 30+ year-old droid can successfully hack the greatest weapon the Empire has- I don’t see Cortana failing.

    Technology doesn’t quite work that way in Wars, but that’s all in the EU so I won’t bother. However, the DS will have a fleet of more modern droids including uprgraded R units. So point invalid.

    “Let us not forget that when R2-D2 hacked into the Death Star he already had the complete plans to it. Leia gives them to him in the opening scenes of the movie.”

    That is an extremely good point. R2 knew the workings inside and out. And yet he couldn’t do things like disable the Tractor Beams so they could escape. Obi-Wan has to do that. Whether this is do to advanced firewall protection, the inability to do so from most terminals, or the Tractor Beam and other systems being manual only is up to opinion. Point is that even with all the knowledge posdible it still couldn’t be done.

  55. Darth Bombad February 13, 2015 at 6:11 am -      #55

    @Neon

    Because they can’t show dismemberment and guts, the canon explanation
    is usually that they have variable power settings or the target is armored.

    But the fact remains that Star Wars blasters can tear through team Halo.
    it’ll be down to the Spartans superior skill and stealth to keep them alive.
    But if Lord Vader finds them they’re screwed.

  56. Neon Lord February 13, 2015 at 6:27 am -      #56

    “the canon explanation
    is usually that they have variable power settings or the target is armored.”

    If you were trying to kill something, which is what 90% of the showings are in TCW, there is no reason for them to not use max power settings. And you can’t label it as PIS as it happens all the time and is more consistent then the outliers in the video.

    You also never see the flying blaster bolts that miss in TCW blow up metres of dirt when they hit the ground or a wall.

    “But the fact remains that Star Wars blasters can tear through team Halo.

    It isn’t a fact if it hasn’t been proven.

  57. Numinous One February 13, 2015 at 6:42 am -      #57

    Didn’t Vader at one stage choke someone on a different ship just from viewing their hologram?
    What exactly is stopping him from doing the same here with the security systems?
    He has no personal interest in the intruders this time around, especially if he sees them tearing through stormtroopers like nothing.

  58. Darth Bombad February 13, 2015 at 7:07 am -      #58

    Numinous One

    An excellent point and possibly the nail in the coffin for team Halo, a frontle assault
    against SW superior firepower is basically suicide.
    Spartans can probably take down hundreds or even thousands of troopers,
    but the sheer number of enemies will wittle them down.

    Stealth and Cortana are their best bet, but once they get Vader’s attention their dead.
    Unless there’s anything else i’d call this one finished.

  59. Warlock Lowk February 13, 2015 at 8:21 am -      #59

    Found out sometime blasters don’t just explode on contact
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-kQvp_aipUmw/VN2ZgcFPTPI/AAAAAAAH_t0/lfuFWUhhcYg/s1600/p3_8.jpg
    Also vader doesn’t neck snap often in a fight. Force choke maybe once or twice but the last seems like the last thing he goes for. It’s like Saber first, then choking when he can put in time, and finally maybe a neck snap ever once in a blue moon.

  60. Jake_Uzumaki February 13, 2015 at 8:46 am -      #60

    I think it depends on his mood, if he’s in no fucks given mode he’ll neck snap a bitch, if he wants you to suffer, force choke, if he wants to have some fun saber.

  61. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 11:38 am -      #61

    “If you were trying to kill something, which is what 90% of the showings are in TCW, there is no reason for them to not use max power settings. And you can’t label it as PIS as it happens all the time and is more consistent then the outliers in the video.”

    Actually there are a few reasons to. A less powerful shot will still kill or critically injure most people. Going full power takes up more blaster gas and power cell energy, decreasing the number of shots before you need to reload and usually slowing down the rate of fire. Full power blasters are for especially tough or well armored opponents… or if you just want to make sure a mother F’er is dead.

  62. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 11:56 am -      #62

    Alright, Halo’s being cut pretty short here.

    The shields of Master Chief can tank:
    3 fully automatic weapons being fired at him at once.
    50mm rounds.
    A scorpion missile at almost point-blank range.
    A plasma bolt to the back. Halo: Ghosts of Onyx states Covenant plasma is 3000 degrees F.
    A Fuel Rod to the chest, said projectile can melt a fully armored Marine and is typically used as an anti-vehicle weapon.

    So no, I don’t believe Star Wars blasters are just going to one-shot Spartans.

  63. Super Combine February 13, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #63

    ^
    Their shields also protected them from a Hunter’s assault cannon that vaporized a fully armored Spartan III and gutted a dropship in Ghosts of Onyx.

  64. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 2:15 pm -      #64

    YuRiChief has survived a lot of things he shouldn’t have. All other Spartan IIs died from far less. Chief has insane plot shielding and the canon reason for him living so long is “Luck”. Plus half the team is Spartan IVs who may have weaker shielding.

    Edit: Forgot to mention the thermal detonators, disintigrators, lightsaber and of course the Force. Defend against those.

  65. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #65

    thermal detonators

    Pick up and throw back, or just run- they have a very short range. It’s a glorified grenade

    disintigrators

    Those are not standard equipment to be carried around, do they even have those?

    lightsaber

    Requires melee distance, is only 1 (two later) and in theory, yes, should hold up to at least one shot

    the Force

    Yes, Vader can pick one person up and choke them while the rest shoot him dead, very effective. He requires line of sight and doesn’t have very much in the way of speed- do tell how he’s going to handle even two Spartans at once. Especially with Cortana playing around in the DS systems.

    Plus half the team is Spartan IVs who may have weaker shielding.

    No they don’t, Supercombine already posted evidence to dismiss that claim. Your move.

  66. Super Combine February 13, 2015 at 4:54 pm -      #66

    Chief has insane plot shielding and the canon reason for him living so long is “Luck”.

    The Spartan I was referring to in my above post is Fred, not the Chief.

    Plus half the team is Spartan IVs who may have weaker shielding.”

    Can you quantify this? I’ve already posted a link to an interview with Frank O’Connor stating SIV’s Gen 2 is better than the SII’s Mark 6, but if you have some new insight please share.

    The Force is an OCP for the Spartans, the debate should have ended there. But everyone loves getting into biggaton battles whenever Halo or Starwars show up.

  67. Jake_Uzumaki February 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm -      #67

    forgot to repost them since the links weren’t working apparently but Vader vs AT-AT
    4.bp.blogspot.com/-lLC-wOUFrPU/VN2ZUeoyuuI/AAAAAAAH_sE/43bMLpoL3bI/s1600/p3_16.jpg
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-OXtbaH5dFBg/VN2ZVEHplaI/AAAAAAAH_sY/MaE3xzl-CCc/s1600/p3_17.jpg

    outside of having his helmet knocked off and some holes in his cape appears none the worse for the wear. also neck snap scene.
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lki-ZID31o4/VN2ZZN5ozQI/AAAAAAAH_s0/zy2_blK4eN0/s1600/p3_20.jpg
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-1q5R1BCu62M/VN2ZZ11RCmI/AAAAAAAH_s4/Qv8oIpBqDDA/s1600/p3_21.jpg

  68. GrandMaster February 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm -      #68

    “So no, I don’t believe Star Wars blasters are just going to one-shot Spartans.”

    In the new canon, probably not. But they are still going to do significant damage.

    “Yes, Vader can pick one person up and choke them while the rest shoot him dead, very effective. He requires line of sight and doesn’t have very much in the way of speed- do tell how he’s going to handle even two Spartans at once. Especially with Cortana playing around in the DS systems.”

    1) Jake Uzumaki already posted a scan of Vader snapping a neck instantly. not just choking.
    2) someone in this thread said Cortana needed to familiarize herself with the Alien tech to manipulate it. Even if that only takes 10 minutes, that’s time the Spartans don’t have. Not only that, but unless Cortana can reach a vital system control room in the station, hacking the DS means jack shit.

  69. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 5:21 pm -      #69

    1) Jake Uzumaki already posted a scan of Vader snapping a neck instantly. not just choking.

    Against an unshielded, normal human. Spartans are neither of these.

    2) someone in this thread said Cortana needed to familiarize herself with the Alien tech to manipulate it.

    It’s human tech, if not exactly the same it should be quite similar to what she’s used to.

    Not only that, but unless Cortana can reach a vital system control room in the station, hacking the DS means jack shit.

    Artoo was in a communications room and was controlling the garbage compactor. I fail to see your point, any access will do. And it’s a space-faring, weapon of mass-destruction, that carries thousands of people, and can go into hyperspace, it has vital control systems. Every ship in Star Wars has control systems, what makes the Death Star so special that it wouldn’t have them?

    Cortana could, in theory:
    Turn off system diagnostic check
    Turn off all the lights
    Shut all the doors
    Turn off gravity
    Turn off air
    Turn on/off heat to extremes
    Set weapons to overload
    Set the reactor to overload
    Sabotage the engines
    Set a crash course with a planet

  70. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #70

    “Pick up and throw back, or just run- they have a very short range. It’s a glorified grenade”

    The integrate everything withing 5 meters. It’s much more then a glorified grenade. And every trooper has a least one. Try throwing 15 back while under heavy fire in a narrow corridor with a blast door blocking your exit.

    “Those are not standard equipment to be carried around, do they even have those?”

    No, they aren’t standard. But if they cause enouph trouble the troops are going to break out the big guns. It’s also a weapon popular amoung outlaws abd bounty hunters. Like the 6 coming for the group.

    “Requires melee distance, is only 1 (two later) and in theory, yes, should hold up to at least one shot”

    Engery swords tear right threw shielding and armor and a lightsaber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy sword. Plus Vader has perfected the art of throwung a lightsaber, as seen in Return of the Jedi. Then he can use the Force to bring it back.

    “Yes, Vader can pick one person up and choke them while the rest shoot him dead, very effective. He requires line of sight and doesn’t have very much in the way of speed- do tell how he’s going to handle even two Spartans at once. ”

    As Kake hasshown Vader can snap a mans neck with little effort. He can also tear apart an AT-AT. The Spartans would be lucky to last two seconds. Especially with all tbe cover fore coming from the hundreads of Storm Troopers you keep forgetting exist.

    “Especially with Cortana playing around in the DS systems.”

    Hadn’t this been disproven already. One A.I. in a system that works nothing like she has ever seen before and may not be able to even enter vs thousands of other A.I.s and technicians with far grwater knowledge of the system.

    @Jake: Thanks for reposting those. Think this is pretty much over now.

  71. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm -      #71

    “It’s human tech, if not exactly the same it should be quite similar to what she’s used to.”

    Human tech from a entirely seperate Galaxy and timeline. Which has proven far more advanced in numerous ways and has been partially developed by dozens of different alien species. You are seriously over estimating her abilities.

    “Cortana could, in theory:”

    Yes, in theory. But doing so takes dozens of security codes without alerting any of the counter measures. It would take a lot of time, to. And this is still assuming. She can even get into the system seeing how they use very different inport systems.

  72. Jake_Uzumaki February 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm -      #72

    Also did the links in post 5 work? I notice their not in moderation anymore so I didn’t know if they had been addressed.

  73. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 5:50 pm -      #73

    Hadn’t this been disproven already.

    Uh no, no it hasn’t actually.

    One A.I. in a system that works nothing like she has ever seen before and may not be able to even enter vs thousands of other A.I.s and technicians with far grwater knowledge of the system.

    Pardon my French, but this is the stupidest thing you have yet posted.
    The Death Star is a space-faring vessel with a giant gun, made by humans. It’s no different from any other spaceship except in regards to firepower. Cortana has dealt with all sorts of space-faring ships, including alien ones like High Charity- try again.

    Especially with all tbe cover fore coming from the hundreads of Storm Troopers you keep forgetting exist.

    Like you’re forgetting basic physics? The hundreds of Storm Troopers that can’t all fit into a single corridor. Use your head.

    As Kake hasshown Vader can snap a mans neck with little effort.

    That was a regular human without any shields and featless armor. Spartans are re-enforced with all sorts of augmentations. Snapping a normal human’s neck doesn’t mean he can do the same to Spartans just as easily.

    ut if they cause enouph trouble the troops are going to break out the big guns.

    You’re going to need a reason for us to think regular troops have them. And then you’re really going to need a reason that Cortana won’t just destroy the station via hacking before the Bounty Hunters get there.

  74. Jake_Uzumaki February 13, 2015 at 5:58 pm -      #74

    Number of Stormtroopers and soldiers firing at the Spartans will depend on when where and how they are discovered.

    And I think Vader could neck snap the Spartans, yes they are more durable than a Stormrooper, but Vader was able to apply enough Force to stop an AT-AT’s stomp. I’m not saying it would definitely be as easy though, It would probably be easier to rip them apart the way he was going to the AT-AT (probably faster too)

  75. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 6:02 pm -      #75

    “It’s no different from any other spaceship except in regards to firepower. Cortana has dealt with all sorts of space-faring ships, including alien ones like High Charity- try again.”

    And this is the stuidest argument you have made. It’s technology from a entirely seperate Galaxy. Nothing the UNSC or Covenant has is in any way like what is used in Star Wars. Almost everything is done differently. And ypu still haven’t addressed how she’s going to out perform the thousands of counter AIs

    “Like you’re forgetting basic physics? The hundreds of Storm Troopers that can’t all fit into a single corridor. Use your head.”

    Are you so out of arguments ypu need to nitpick? Wow, that’s just sad.

    “Snapping a normal human’s neck doesn’t mean he can do the same to Spartans just as easily.”

    What about tearing them to pieces like he did the 300 ton AT-AT?

    “And then you’re really going to need a reason that Cortana won’t just destroy the station via hacking before the Bounty Hunters get there.”

    So she’s going to take complete control of a moon sized space station with numerous countermeasure and totally alien technology in less the 30 minutes? The wank is real. No more point arguing with you.

  76. Jake_Uzumaki February 13, 2015 at 6:24 pm -      #76

    This is a genuine question but….how would they actually plug her in?

  77. Cassie Hack February 13, 2015 at 6:58 pm -      #77

    ^this

  78. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 7:07 pm -      #78

    And ypu still haven’t addressed how she’s going to out perform the thousands of counter AIs

    That would be because they’re featless AI’s.
    Feats > no feats
    And it’s not like they have jobs already- oh wait, that’s right, they’re responsible for fixing everything on the giant space station.

    Are you so out of arguments ypu need to nitpick?

    Depends, are you so dense that you don’t realize a giant station made of hallways is a giant station made of fucking hallways?
    (Also, invest in typing lessons, you’re giving me a headache.)

    Nothing the UNSC or Covenant has is in any way like what is used in Star Wars.

    (Looks at ships that fly through space in one series, mainly by jumping into a new dimension, then looks at ships from another series that also fly through space using pretty much the same exact technology and terminology )
    Do tell.
    Seriously, you can’t be that dense. The Death Star is hardly alien, it’s just a giant laser that can fly. You’re reaching for just any argument you can aren’t you? It’s a little sad.

    This is a genuine question but….how would they actually plug her in?

    Hopefully with one of these
    www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/UTDVUSBlg.jpg

  79. Neon Lord February 13, 2015 at 7:25 pm -      #79

    “What exactly is stopping him from doing the same here with the security systems?”

    First, he actually needs to be in the security room. If he’s on the wrong side of the Death Star, good luck getting there in time.

    Second, hacking can shut off the cameras. Or simply shooting them out. In any case, at the speed the Spartans will be running (as gathered from the anime), there won’t be enough time for Vader to view them from a single camera before they’ve already moved into the next corridor.

    “Found out sometime blasters don’t just explode on contact”

    Huh, thats different from the norm. I guess time will tell if blasters remain that way in future sources.

    ” Full power blasters are for especially tough or well armored opponents… or if you just want to make sure a mother F’er is dead.”

    Like droids in the Clone Wars, except most of the time you don’t see them explode spectacularly when hit by a blaster bolt.

    “Pick up and throw back, or just run- they have a very short range. It’s a glorified grenade”

    “thermal detonators”

    And blow up sections of the Death Star corridors, potentially rendering them impassable? You also don’t see thermal dets being used often by Stormtroopers in the movies.

    “The integrate everything withing 5 meters. It’s much more then a glorified grenade. And every trooper has a least one. Try throwing 15 back while under heavy fire in a narrow corridor with a blast door blocking your exit.”

    “The integrate everything withing 5 meters. It’s much more then a glorified grenade. And every trooper has a least one. Try throwing 15 back while under heavy fire in a narrow corridor with a blast door blocking your exit.”

    So if 15 are throwing, who’s doing the shooting?

    “Engery swords tear right threw shielding and armor and a lightsaber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy sword. Plus Vader has perfected the art of throwung a lightsaber, as seen in Return of the Jedi. Then he can use the Force to bring it back.”

    Its a 1v10 for Vader. He may kill one guy, possibly two, before he gets stuffed with bullets and explosives.

    “Especially with all tbe cover fore coming from the hundreads of Storm Troopers you keep forgetting exist.”

    Because somehow Stormtroopers have hyperspatial dimensional tech to fit hundreds into a narrow corridor now do they?

    “Yes, in theory. But doing so takes dozens of security codes without alerting any of the counter measures. It would take a lot of time, to. And this is still assuming. ”

    Time they can have since its a 10 man team in a moon sized station.

    “Number of Stormtroopers and soldiers firing at the Spartans will depend on when where and how they are discovered.”

    Unless its in some grand hall or a hangar bay (neither of which are anywhere near the reactor core), its going to be a close quarters space.

    “And this is the stuidest argument you have made. It’s technology from a entirely seperate Galaxy. Nothing the UNSC or Covenant has is in any way like what is used in Star Wars.”

    The Covenant are a completely alien species to the UNSC, with alien tech. Cortana was able to hack said alien tech. It is not stupid in the slightest.

    “Almost everything is done differently. And ypu still haven’t addressed how she’s going to out perform the thousands of counter AIs”

    Thousands of counter AIs that haven’t been proven to exist? Its not as if you have thousands of R2-D2s lying around. (Note standard maintenance and computer droids are nothing like R2-D2).

    “This is a genuine question but….how would they actually plug her in?”

    The Hugarok can modify a port to fit her chip. Problem solved.

    -

  80. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 7:29 pm -      #80

    “And it’s not like they have jobs already- oh wait, that’s right, they’re responsible for fixing everything on the giant space station.”

    Yes, everything. Including detecting and removing viruses and countering attempted sabotage and hacking. Hello!

    “Depends, are you so dense that you don’t realize a giant station made of hallways is a giant station made of fucking hallways?”

    Apparently the idea of reserve units means nothing to you. The hall ways can literally be plugged up by the troopers bodies. And between the many close corridors with blast doors, the long narrow walk ways over seemingly pointless pit falls, and the elevator systems with only a small door for entry and exit, it seems the Spartans have very little space to run away.

    “Seriously, you can’t be that dense. The Death Star is hardly alien, it’s just a giant laser that can fly.”

    Yes, the two technologies serve a similar purpose. But they do this in different ways. Wars uses Particle canons, Halo uses bullets plasma and hard light. Wars use the hyperdrive, Halo use Slipspace which work very differently. Wars have advanced AI systems as common place, with nearly every droid capable of retaining years of experience and forming a unique personally if allowed. In Halo this technology is extremely rare and always based on a living beings brain scan because even the Forerunners cannot create something as complex as a brain, only copy it. There are so many aspects that can be pointed out that work differently. Shields, communications, medicine, etc. So claiming they work almost identically is preposterous and ignorant.

    “You’re reaching for just any argument you can aren’t you? It’s a little sad.”

    As said before there isn’t much reason to keep debating against you. The odds are stacked up againt the Spartan team. So there isn’t much more needed to be said.

  81. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 7:45 pm -      #81

    “Or simply shooting them out. In any case, at the speed the Spartans will be running (as gathered from the anime), there won’t be enough time for Vader to view them from a single camera before they’ve already moved into the next corridor.”

    Is the anime canon? And Vader is extremely fast, too. He was able to reflect several point blank AT-AT blasts. Luke was able to hit a speeder bike flying 500km/h and Vader was much faster then him.

    “Like droids in the Clone Wars, except most of the time you don’t see them explode spectacularly when hit by a blaster bolt”

    Most of those droids are very pooy armored. Especially the skeletal B1 which had a sabotaged assembly line making them brittle.

    “And blow up sections of the Death Star corridors, potentially rendering them impassable?”

    If it comes to that, yes. It can be rebuilt.

    “Its a 1v10 for Vader. He may kill one guy, possibly two, before he gets stuffed with bullets and explosives.”

    Vader is used to being outnumbered. And really the Force would be a better weapon. And this 1 vs 10 is assuming all the Spartans live that long, weren’t separated, and Vader isn’t using any support.

    “The Covenant are a completely alien species to the UNSC, with alien tech. Cortana was able to hack said alien tech. It is not stupid in the slightest.”

    A completely alien race they had decades to research before Cortana was even built. They also had time to research Forerunner tech which all Covenant tech was based on.

  82. Friendlysociopath February 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm -      #82

    As said before there isn’t much reason to keep debating against you

    Yep, you’re sad. All that because I said fighting in a hallway meant they’d have to fight in a hallway? Gosh, you’re easy to put off aren’t you? Fine by me, I can deal with people who have relevant information and points.

    Speaking of which, I don’t recall seeing a thousand droids in the movies, pray tell- where did you find such information?

  83. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 9:04 pm -      #83

    “Speaking of which, I don’t recall seeing a thousand droids in the movies, pray tell- where did you find such information?”

    Are you seriously implying they showed tbe entirety of the DS’s interior in the 30 minutes or so they wrte inside it? Just walking around they pass dozens of droids. Mouse droids, R units, protocol Droids, and power droids. Even on backwater Tatooine droids are common place. So it’s no leap of faith saying the DS will have thousands. Padme’s ship in Phantom had like 10.

    People seem to think that R2 is unique in his ability. While he is an exemplary droid others have shown to be just as capable. Obi-Wans R4 and the R3 in the TV series showed similar levels of skill. So they aren’t really “feat less”.

  84. Neon Lord February 13, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #84

    “Yes, everything. Including detecting and removing viruses and countering attempted sabotage and hacking. Hello!”

    Um, no, since the Death Star is meant to be this impenetrable fortress anyway.

    “Is the anime canon?”
    =
    Where’s the TMWtA when you need him…

    Of course.

    “And Vader is extremely fast, too. He was able to reflect several point blank AT-AT blasts. Luke was able to hit a speeder bike flying 500km/h and Vader was much faster then him.”

    How is this relevant? He’ll try and choke a guy in one screen only for the guy to run out, then he has to find the next screen and choke him there only for the guy to run out etc.

    “Vader is used to being outnumbered. ”

    Against people that can’t aim that well and shooting bolts that can be deflected. Not augmented soldiers with personal shielding and bullet weapons.

    “Are you seriously implying they showed tbe entirety of the DS’s interior in the 30 minutes or so they wrte inside it? Just walking around they pass dozens of droids. Mouse droids, R units, protocol Droids, and power droids. Even on backwater Tatooine droids are common place. So it’s no leap of faith saying the DS will have thousands. Padme’s ship in Phantom had like 10.”

    And how many of those were anti-hacking droids? Lemme guess. None.

    “Most of those droids are very pooy armored. Especially the skeletal B1 which had a sabotaged assembly line making them brittle.”

    And this info comes from where?

  85. Jolttra February 13, 2015 at 10:48 pm -      #85

    “Um, no, since the Death Star is meant to be this impenetrable fortress anyway.”

    Impenetrable to attck, yes. But sabotage of various kinds is not uncommon in Wars. So it would need anti hacking and viral protection as well.

    “He’ll try and choke a guy in one screen only for the guy to run out, then he has to find the next screen and choke him there only for the guy to run out etc.”

    Or, and this is just a thought, he’ll use the Force to tear him in half with a flick of the wrist. He did tear a AT-AT to pieces, a vehicle that has proven invulnerable even against heavy anti armor artillery. And he killed a storm trooper by literally turning his head 180 degrees. He turned the poor chump into an owl. A dead owl. He won’t waste time choking his target her. That’s a slow satisfaction kill.

    “And how many of those were anti-hacking droids? ”

    Primarily the R units. Also don’t forget the hundreds, maybe thousands of engineers and technitions.

    “And this info comes from where?”

    The Tv series. You even see them do the sabatoge in one of the season 1 episodes.

  86. GrandMaster February 14, 2015 at 1:11 am -      #86

    “Pardon my French, but this is the stupidest thing you have yet posted.
    The Death Star is a space-faring vessel with a giant gun, made by humans. It’s no different from any other spaceship except in regards to firepower. Cortana has dealt with all sorts of space-faring ships, including alien ones like High Charity- try again.”

    It was stated in this very thread that she took time to learn how to manipulate alien technology. By a Halo supporter no less. I don’t see how the Spartans will have time to defend Cortana long enough for her to hack something.

    “That was a regular human without any shields and featless armor. Spartans are re-enforced with all sorts of augmentations. Snapping a normal human’s neck doesn’t mean he can do the same to Spartans just as easily.”

    But snapping an AT-AT’s neck on the other hand…

    “Second, hacking can shut off the cameras. Or simply shooting them out. In any case, at the speed the Spartans will be running (as gathered from the anime), there won’t be enough time for Vader to view them from a single camera before they’ve already moved into the next corridor.”

    And how are they going to know to shoot out every single camera?

    “Like droids in the Clone Wars, except most of the time you don’t see them explode spectacularly when hit by a blaster bolt.”

    Your right, it just leaves fist sized holes and occasionally busts them apart. And Blasters do have variable shots, and because the droids attack in light armored hordes it would make sense to use Low power shots to conserve ammunition.

    “Its a 1v10 for Vader. He may kill one guy, possibly two, before he gets stuffed with bullets and explosives.”

    Yes, because Vader is totally going to walk in there alone and unaided… And even then, he could just crush the corridor, killing all the Spartans.

    “Time they can have since its a 10 man team in a moon sized station.”

    Yes, it is a moon sized station, and a team with no prior knowledge to the Death Star’s interior or anything like it are going to find a control room on a moon-sized structure how? Please do tell, I’m genuinely interested to learn how a team of Spartans will be able to pick through an entire moon’s worth of space in 1 hour.

    “Unless its in some grand hall or a hangar bay (neither of which are anywhere near the reactor core), its going to be a close quarters space.”

    Isn’t that more of a disadvantage to the Spartans? They’d be pinned down in a narrow, cover-less area.

    “The Covenant are a completely alien species to the UNSC, with alien tech. Cortana was able to hack said alien tech. It is not stupid in the slightest.”

    Cortana also had the majority of her life time spent analyzing Covenent tech, and the UNSC had been exposed to Covenent tech for decades as Joltra pointed out.

    “How is this relevant? He’ll try and choke a guy in one screen only for the guy to run out, then he has to find the next screen and choke him there only for the guy to run out etc.”

    I don’t know about you, but most people in my experience have a hard time doing, well anything with a broken neck.

    “Against people that can’t aim that well and shooting bolts that can be deflected. Not augmented soldiers with personal shielding and bullet weapons.”

    I always laugh when people say solid rounds will take out a Jedi… You are of course aware that Vader could do something like say, jam the guns? Or stop the bullets? And in the scans Jake posted, Vader is moving his saber from his hilt to a guard stance in the time it takes for the bounty hunters to fire at him at nigh point blank range, so it is a complete possiblity that Vader could block the rounds.

  87. Numinous One February 14, 2015 at 1:30 am -      #87

    “Its a 1v10 for Vader. He may kill one guy, possibly two, before he gets stuffed with bullets and explosives.”

    “Yes, because Vader is totally going to walk in there alone and unaided… And even then, he could just crush the corridor, killing all the Spartans.”

    “Against people that can’t aim that well and shooting bolts that can be deflected. Not augmented soldiers with personal shielding and bullet weapons.”

    Isn’t Vader typically accompanied by the 501st? The most accomplished force the empire has to call on?
    Fighting in hallways may favor the smaller force, but they can and will be blocked in on both sides at some stage.

  88. Warlock Lowk February 14, 2015 at 2:40 am -      #88

    “He won’t waste time choking his target her. That’s a slow satisfaction kill.”

    He doesn’t even really try to waste time snapping necks either.

  89. Neon Lord February 14, 2015 at 3:11 am -      #89

    “It was stated in this very thread that she took time to learn how to manipulate alien technology. By a Halo supporter no less. I don’t see how the Spartans will have time to defend Cortana long enough for her to hack something.”

    Once she’s in the system, they don’t have to defend her.

    “Primarily the R units. Also don’t forget the hundreds, maybe thousands of engineers and technitions.”

    And when was an engineer or technician an anti-hacking specialist? You have yet to provide any proof of any anti-hacking measures at all. If R2, an astromech droid who isnt specialised at hacking in any way, is able to hack some localised systems, there is no reason for Cortana to not be able to.

    “But snapping an AT-AT’s neck on the other hand…”

    You do realise in the comic panel he doesn’t actually do anything to the AT-AT? They used the exact same drawing of the thing in the before and after pics, with some explosion effects added on.

    “And how are they going to know to shoot out every single camera?”

    In the name of stealth? This is assuming there are cameras in the first place.

    “Your right, it just leaves fist sized holes and occasionally busts them apart. And Blasters do have variable shots, and because the droids attack in light armored hordes it would make sense to use Low power shots to conserve ammunition.”

    www.watchcartoononline.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-1-episode-1-ambush-2

    9-10min. Zero explosions, even when hitting a hard plant. These are the most common showings of Blaster firepower in SW. We do not just cherry pick the highest.

    “Yes, it is a moon sized station, and a team with no prior knowledge to the Death Star’s interior or anything like it are going to find a control room on a moon-sized structure how? Please do tell, I’m genuinely interested to learn how a team of Spartans will be able to pick through an entire moon’s worth of space in 1 hour”

    They don’t need to. They just need to find a console, get the Hugarok to reroute some of the systems and make a port, and Cortana is in.

    “I always laugh when people say solid rounds will take out a Jedi… You are of course aware that Vader could do something like say, jam the guns”

    Like every single time he didn’t force crush blasters whenever facing them?

    “Or stop the bullets?”

    Vader isn’t a bullet timer. No Jedi is afaik.

    “Jake posted, Vader is moving his saber from his hilt to a guard stance in the time it takes for the bounty hunters to fire at him at nigh point blank range, so it is a complete possiblity that Vader could block the rounds.”

    If you actually look, he activates his lightsabre before they start shooting. Force sensing intent and whatnot.

    “The Tv series. You even see them do the sabatoge in one of the season 1 episodes.”

    I would like to know which one, seeing as none of the episodes feature a droid factory.

    “Isn’t Vader typically accompanied by the 501st? The most accomplished force the empire has to call on?”

    If this was EU, sure it would be a threat. But the 501st lost against the Ewoks…
    =
    I just realised. Without EU, there is actually nothing saying Blasters have variable settings. Its all speculation at best now.

  90. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 14, 2015 at 3:30 am -      #90

    “That comparison would be more valid if we were talking about a regular computer that people use but he’s a functioning AI that learns as it, grows? Ages?”

    Possibly, who knows with the EU thrown out.
    =
    “If anything he’d be limited by the tools, his hardware; he has.”
    =
    It’s still like that example though, regardless of whether the hacker is good enough or not, hacking something with 30 year old tech just doesn’t seem possible.
    =
    “Seeing as he was able to interface with stuff in the first place those don’t seem to be too outdated either.”

    I could say that seeing how he was able to interact in the first place while being 30 years outdated shows that the DS isn’t very good at resisting hacking.
    =
    “Wasn’t that only possible because it plugged into the Olifant?”

    It was still his personal shields, the only thing that changed was that it covered the Olifant as opposed to just covering QTA.
    =
    “Unless you want to increase the DS shield strength I don’t see that helping.”

    What I’m saying is that QTA has really good shields and probably won’t have to worry about being killed.
    =
    “Huragoks are builders, not hackers.”

    Ironically, QTA literally happened to absorb the AI in New Mumbasa, and was able to interact with all the interfaces throughout the city. They’re called biological supercomputers for a reason, they aren’t just good at building things.
    =
    “The shields of Master Chief can tank:
    3 fully automatic weapons being fired at him at once.
    50mm rounds.
    A scorpion missile at almost point-blank range.
    A plasma bolt to the back. Halo: Ghosts of Onyx states Covenant plasma is 3000 degrees F.
    A Fuel Rod to the chest, said projectile can melt a fully armored Marine and is typically used as an anti-vehicle weapon.”

    Any idea what the energy output for those are? The highest energy output for MJOLNIR’s shields I’ve seen was 80MJ, which according(if it’s to be trusted, and seeing as I have no degrees in physics or anything I can’t disprove it, soooo)to that video Bombad posted isn’t anything those blasters won’t one shot. Which is honestly the only reason I don’t think Team Halo can win.
    =
    “^
    Their shields also protected them from a Hunter’s assault cannon that vaporized a fully armored Spartan III and gutted a dropship in Ghosts of Onyx.”

    Same question as above.
    =
    “YuRiChief has survived a lot of things he shouldn’t have. All other Spartan IIs died from far less. Chief has insane plot shielding and the canon reason for him living so long is ‘Luck'”
    =
    That’s more a reason as to why he survives, not a valid reason to disregard his shield’s overall resistance to damage.
    =
    “Plus half the team is Spartan IVs who may have weaker shielding.”

    Proof?
    =
    “Edit: Forgot to mention the thermal detonators, disintigrators,”

    Proof any of these are actually used by the Stormies in new canon, and that they’re powerful enough to down Spartan shields(although, kinda a silly question given that video).
    =
    ” And every trooper has a least one.”

    Proof?
    =
    “Try throwing 15 back while under heavy fire in a narrow corridor with a blast door blocking your exit.”
    =
    Probably won’t be too much of a problem. Seriously, as it is the Spartans are going to be running circles around the Stormies, it’s not going to be very difficult for them.
    =
    “Engery swords tear right threw shielding and armor and a lightsaber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy sword.”

    Maybe with EU, outside of that we have no reason to believe it’s that much better, if at all.
    =
    “Plus Vader has perfected the art of throwung a lightsaber, as seen in Return of the Jedi. Then he can use the Force to bring it back.”

    Yes, throw your weapon at the people who can get headshots in their sleep, that’ll show em.

    Seriously, bad idea, Vader throws it he’s going to get a bullet through the brain or have his lightsaber shot out of the air before it gets back to him.
    =
    “He can also tear apart an AT-AT”

    With armor that’s relatively featless. That stuff could be as durable as a styrofoam cup for all we know.
    =
    “What about tearing them to pieces like he did the 300 ton AT-AT?”

    Proof it weighs 300 tons?
    =
    “So she’s going to take complete control of a moon sized space station with numerous countermeasure and totally alien technology in less the 30 minutes?”

    Pretty sure she was doing just that with High Charity. Could be wrong. Admittedly, my Halo knowledge isn’t as good as it used to be.
    =
    “This is a genuine question but….how would they actually plug her in?”

    What Friendly said, just make a port. They might not even have to do that actually, putting his hand over Covvie and Forerunner tech in the games was enough to put her in the system. The Covvie bomb that was in the Super MAC stations towards the beginning of Halo 2 comes to mind.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw0H4UA4OTQ

    He puts his hand over the UNSC port, put his hand on the bomb, Cortana gets inside the bomb.
    =
    “Its a 1v10 for Vader. He may kill one guy, possibly two, before he gets stuffed with bullets and explosives.”

    Even supporting the Halo side, I really don’t see this happening. They won’t be able to take on Vader head on, they’ll have to use stealth, and even then that’s iffy. Their best bet is to either avoid Vader completely or set a trap for him. Both of which they should be capable of doing.
    =
    “nd between the many close corridors with blast doors, ”

    Was it ever said what the blast doors made out in Disney Canon? If so, where? And how durable is it, because Spartans have torn through metal doors before.
    =
    “Is the anime canon?”

    Yes, all of the anime. Especially this one:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OESmU4LYl7U

    *snickers* I’d like to point out, that at no point does S-LEET’s shields flicker during all that.
    =
    “He was able to reflect several point blank AT-AT blasts.”

    Pretty sure blaster bolts in SW have been calced to be incredibly slow in comparison to bullets. Plus in that scan it seemed pretty obvious when they were coming.
    =
    “People seem to think that R2 is unique in his ability”

    If he was nothing special in SW then there’s no reason to think he couldn’t of been stopped. So, either their firewalls are so bad that even an Average Joe droid is capable of hacking the most dangerous weapon in that verse or they just don’t have firewalls.

    It’s more or less the point that’s trying to be made. That a lone R2 unit, which as you said, is very common, and is also 30 years old, can hack it, Cortana is going to just utterly destroy it.
    =
    ” I don’t see how the Spartans will have time to defend Cortana long enough for her to hack something.”

    They don’t have to defend her. Once she’s in they can leave her there, and as shown above Chief never has to take her out of his head to do it either. She’s also shown to be able to make multiple copies of herself while in a Covvie ship and simultaneously fight an alien AI, so it’s not out of the question that she could end up being in the system for a very long time. Or make enough copies of herself so that all the Spartans are fast enough to do this again:

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111111411/3616968-1742166963-32238.jpg

    And there’s a few feats of bullet/aim dodging in the novels without Cortana aiding him in the reflex department.
    =
    “And even then, he could just crush the corridor”

    When has he done this? Either way, I doubt that’d kill them seeing as they’re capable of flipping tanks according to WoG I’m sure the team could keep the corridor from crushing them.

    Either way, he’d have to crush it and then get through the Spartans shields, and then their armor and then their cyberneticlly enhanced body.
    =
    “Isn’t that more of a disadvantage to the Spartans? They’d be pinned down in a narrow, cover-less area.”

    How so? Most of the Stormies are going to have a hard time as it is trying to just aim at the Spartans, let alone hit them(although I will admit that it’s going to be impossible for all them to dodge all the bolts all the time. I realize they will get hit, and until proof of their shielding being superior to bolt fire, it will most likely be in one shot)and even those who do actually get lucky enough to aim at them and shoot at them they’re more than likely just going to dodge out of the way. Then you factor in that the Spartans are more or less going to just tear them apart limb from limb and it’s just not a good time for the Red Shirts, erg Stormies.

    Have the Stormies ever dealt with foes that use acrobatics in their fights as well as Spartans? All I can think of are Jedi, and that usually doesn’t turn out well for them.
    =
    ” Or stop the bullets?”

    Legends Canon Vader, sure. Disney Canon Vader, not so sure he has the reflexes to do so. Again, blaster bolts have been calced by Rag and TMWtA to be a lot slower than bullets
    =
    And, because I know I’m probably going to get shit for asking for proof so much, it’s not because I don’t believe you. It’s just that as far as I know, all these stats and feats and schematics, etc come from the EU since that’s where almost everything in SW comes from AFAIK.

  91. Super Combine February 14, 2015 at 10:54 am -      #91

    @CH1C4N0444
    “Same question as above.”

    It takes 3 giga-joules to vaporize a regular sized human body. Spartan III’s are quite a bit larger than regular sized humans, and based off the cover of GoO, it seems SPI armor has about the same bulk as MJOLNIR. MJOLNIR weighs about 320 kilograms. To find out how much energy is needed to melt Titanium we need specific heat, molar mass, and melting point.

    Titanium specific heat = 0.523 J/g C

    Molar Mass = 47.867 g/mol

    Melting point = 1668

    0.523J x 1000g(1668-25)=859,289 J

    1000 g/47.867 g/mol = 20.89 mol/kg
    20.89 mol/kg x 14.15 kJ/Mol = 295.5935 kj/mol x 1000 = 295,593.5 J/mol

    In total it comes out to a little over a mega-joule to melt just 1 kg of Titanium. That’s over 320 MJ to melt the whole suit, assuming 100% efficiency, which is impossible, so it’d be even higher. And that’s using real world Titanium, the UNSC’s Titanium alloy is supposed to be more heat resistant.

    Anyway, using that high end feat for a Spartan who isn’t John 117, we can say Spartans can take several giga-joules to the chest and walk it off. Absolutely bullshit if you ask me, but it happened, it’s a canon feat, and since everyone wants to have a dick measuring contest with city-block busting Blaster Rifles, might as well go to the extreme.

    Here’s the quotes from the novel, a picture showing MJOLNIR next to SPI, and sources for human vaporization.

    The monsters had leveled their fuel-rod cannons at Kelly. They had her.
    Holly jumped between Kelly and the weapons. The Hunters fired, outlining both Spartans in the blinding green radiation for a split second.
    The overpressure of both point-blank fuel-rod cannon detonations threw Kelly,
    Will, and Lucy into the air. Holly exploded backward spray of molten SPI armor, disintegrating flesh, and jets of smoke.


    The Hunter hit him dead center in his chest, a blast that would have destroyed
    their dropship. His energy shields flared brighter, failed, and Fred crumpled to
    the floor, his armor smoking.


    img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/142096533.png

    science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/13/2122208/it-takes-299-gigajoules-to-vaporize-a-human-body

  92. Jolttra February 14, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #92

    “You do realise in the comic panel he doesn’t actually do anything to the AT-AT? They used the exact same drawing of the thing in the before and after pics, with some explosion effects added on.”

    Is that why pieces were flying off everywhere? Leia even said he as going to tear it to pieces.

    “This is assuming there are cameras in the first place.”

    Remember that scene in New Hope were they enter the prisoner hold and start shooting at the walls even after all the Imperials are dead? They were shooting out cameras.

    “I could say that seeing how he was able to interact in the first place while being 30 years outdated shows that the DS isn’t very good at resisting hacking.”

    Considering there were multiple R2 units besides our blue protagonist on the DS it seems the models isn’t that out of date.

    Let’s really think about this a second. R2 had 30+ years of experience with Wars tech. Cortana does not. R2 had the complete plans to the entire Ds inside and out in his hardware. Cortana does not. R2 is a very common model designed for programming and repair, so him poking around some not vital systems wouldnot cause much suspicion. Cortana is not. R2 did exactly two things. He looked up Leias cell number, just the number, then found it’s location with the plans already in his hardware and he turned offa much of trash compactors. That’s it. No attacks against vital systems. No unlocking doors. Nothing of that sort. If he was able to do that he could have at least turned off tbe Tractor Beam projector instead of Obi having to do it. So why, I ask, would R2 not turn of this system and other systems if the DS is “easily hackable”? Because it’s not. And doing so would leave him locked out

    “And there’s a few feats of bullet/aim dodging in the novels without Cortana aiding him in the reflex department.”

    Bullet timing is possible but not the norm for Spartans. They still take huge volumes of fire, even from Covenant weapons which are the same speed, if not slower, then blasters.

    “Maybe with EU, outside of that we have no reason to believe it’s that much better, if at all.”

    Lightsabers have repeatedly been shown slicing threwthick metal plating and walls. Qui gon was using his to cut threw over a meter of blast doors in Phantom. And he was almost threw in a few short seconds. The Energy Sword has fail to cut threw a Spartan Laser.

    “With armor that’s relatively featless. That stuff could be as durable as a styrofoam cup for all we know.”

    Considering we see it tank numerous anti armor blasts in Episode 5 I highly doubt that.

    “Pretty sure she was doing just that with High Charity. Could be wrong. Admittedly, my Halo knowledge isn’t as good as it used to be.”

    When she did that, the facility was under attack by the Flood. So any technicians and Huragok that coupd have stopped her were evacuating, fighting for their lives, or dead. High Charity is not know to have it’s own A.I. and Covenant anti hack protection has always been pathetic. Especially against Cortana who had already been in multiple ships before hand to gain experience. It took her a long time to hack the doors in the Truth and Reconciliation in the first Halo.

    “Was it ever said what the blast doors made out in Disney Canon? If so, where? And how durable is it, because Spartans have torn through metal doors before.”

    In Disney canon the material is unknown. But they are extremely thick and have taken blaster shots with out visible damage. There is also the possibility of the DS havin Ray shields at points like on many CIS and Republic craft.

    “it’s just not a good time for the Red Shirts, erg Stormies.”

    Storm Troopers aren’t just Red Shirts destined to die. The are well trained and professional soldiers constantly let down by poor command.

    “Have the Stormies ever dealt with foes that use acrobatics in their fights as well as Spartans? All I can think of are Jedi, and that usually doesn’t turn out well for them”

    They are successors to the Clones who faced IG-Magnaguards, Droid Commandoes, Jedi, Wookies, and many more who all tend to “acrobatics” and for the most part they win. May take some casualties buts theres 10 of you and a million of us.

    ” The highest energy output for MJOLNIR’s shields I’ve seen was 80MJ, which according(if it’s to be trusted, and seeing as I have no degrees in physics or anything I can’t disprove it, soooo)”

    “That’s over 320 MJ to melt the whole suit, ”

    Wasn’t the calcs in the video 91 megajoules minimum and over 500 max? You can call PIS if you want but they are repeatedly shown to cause larfe amounts of damage against rock and metal. At the very least it is clear they do far more damage then Bullets and plasma and it would take few shots to kill a Spartan.

    “Here’s the quotes from the novel, a picture showing MJOLNIR next to SPI, and sources for human vaporization.”

    Ok, I would call that whole thing PIS but I feel I am missing a lot of context. Fred survived the Assault cannon, unconscious and smoking but still alive, but Molly was litterally blown to bits by the same weapon despite being a Spartan as well? Were they different models? Did Molly take a bunch of damage prior to taking the hit? Did Fred have some kind of modefied shield? I need more info here

  93. Friendlysociopath February 14, 2015 at 1:12 pm -      #93

    Why do you keep thinking there’s thousands of Stormtroopers on the Death Star anyways? We rarely see that many on screen at once. A few hundred I’d give you, but several thousands? On what grounds? They’ve got all of two people working together in most scenes, in some they have 5 or 6. Most of the Death Star is the giant gun, giant engines, and giant reactors- it’s not 120 km of space full of troops. And I’m curious how they’re all supposed to get to where the Spartans are if the ship is so big.

    You really have no good reason for Cortana not to be able to hack the DS do you? It’s not nearly that alien of tech, it’s just a giant cannon.
    You need actual proof it’s too alien for her to dig through, which you have yet to present.
    You need to prove that if it isn’t too alien for her to deal with, that the security involved can catch her.
    You then need to prove that not only can the security catch her, but defeat her in a cyber battle.

    You’ve done none of this. You’ve endlessly just repeated:
    about the hundreds of featless droids, firewalls, and tech personnel being able to stop her.
    that Star Wars tech is so different from Halo tech that they’re completely different
    and for some reason decided that the size of the station makes it harder to hack, a point that makes no sense whatsoever

    Featless droids and tech do not compare to feats
    You’ve provided little to no reason to believe the Death Star is so alien Cortana can’t deal with it
    and the size of the station makes no sense whatsoever from a hacking standpoint

    and Quick to Adjust is apparently not being given any credit either

  94. Super Combine February 14, 2015 at 1:59 pm -      #94

    @Jolttra
    “Wasn’t the calcs in the video 91 megajoules minimum and over 500 max?”

    Either one of those calcs would lead to everyone in that enclosed room being boiled alive. Causing possibly unstable areas in caves to cave-in doesn’t require a MOABs worth of firepower to accomplish though. If you think it’s feasible to unleash half a giga-joule of energy in a room and survive I suggest you watch this.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYVMXYYAp4

    According to that Blaster video, a burst of Blaster fire could do this.

    “Fred survived the Assault cannon, unconscious and smoking but still alive, but Molly was litterally blown to bits by the same weapon despite being a Spartan as well? Were they different models? Did Molly take a bunch of damage prior to taking the hit? Did Fred have some kind of modefied shield?”

    Molly is a Spartan III, she wears SPI armor which lacks MJOLNIR’s energy shields but judging by the cover I posted earlier, SPI and MJOLNIR are roughly the same in terms of bulk. My main point though was that Fred’s shields took a hit from a weapon that vaped an unshielded Spartan, and no, his shields aren’t modified or anything. They’re the same as any S-II’s armor. He even comments that the shot would have destroyed their drop ship. Hunters were just OP as fuck in that book.

  95. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 14, 2015 at 3:05 pm -      #95

    “It takes 3 giga-joules to vaporize a regular sized human body. Spartan III’s are quite a bit larger than regular sized humans”

    True, so I’d imagine that it’d probably take more than that to actually disintegrate them, with their extra size and overall body enhancements.
    =
    “based off the cover of GoO, it seems SPI armor has about the same bulk as MJOLNIR. MJOLNIR weighs about 320 kilograms.”

    Wasn’t one of the reasons SPI armor was used for the SIIIs was because the armor was a lot cheaper, lighter, and less bulky?
    =
    “so it’d be even higher. And that’s using real world Titanium, the UNSC’s Titanium alloy is supposed to be more heat resistant.”

    So, that’d be even higher considering all that as well.

    Since I don’t know physics as well as I’d like to, mind answering a few question regarding that feat? If not, just go ahead and skip the next 8 or so lines after this.

    Did Holly have weapons on her? If so, which ones? Would those factor in at all to the calc?

    Kelly, Will, and Lucy were flung into the air by that shot, the three of them together would probably be well over a ton. Would that fact factor into the overall energy?

    So, yea, Spartans probably have a good shot at winning this now. Won’t be easy for them though, not at all.
    =
    “Absolutely bullshit if you ask me, but it happened, it’s a canon feat, and since everyone wants to have a dick measuring contest with city-block busting Blaster Rifles, might as well go to the extreme.”

    I’m sure there’s more ridiculous feats out there for the shields as well.
    =
    “Considering there were multiple R2 units besides our blue protagonist on the DS it seems the models isn’t that out of date.”

    Maybe those aren’t, but R2 sure is considering he’s over 30 years old by that point.
    =
    ” So why, I ask, would R2 not turn of this system and other systems if the DS is ‘easily hackable’?”

    Because he forced his way in and took information that he needed from it.
    =
    “Because it’s not. And doing so would leave him locked out”

    Will then I’m sure you can find plenty of feats showing a Cortana level AI being forced out of the system after trying to hack it.
    =
    “Bullet timing is possible but not the norm for Spartans.”

    Never seemed like it was particularly difficult for them.
    =
    “They still take huge volumes of fire,”

    Doesn’t really disprove that it’s the norm.
    =
    “even from Covenant weapons which are the same speed, if not slower, then blasters.”

    Very few are, most aren’t. So far, the slowest have been the Needler, Fuel Rod Gun, and the Spiker. The rest have all been over 100m/s or unidentified.
    =
    “Lightsabers have repeatedly been shown slicing threwthick metal plating and walls. Qui gon was using his to cut threw over a meter of blast doors in Phantom. And he was almost threw in a few short seconds.”

    All of which made out of unknown materials with unknown durability.
    =
    “The Energy Sword has fail to cut threw a Spartan Laser.”

    Probably PIS considering it’s cut through fully shielded Spartans before. That’s just a lowball and you know it.
    =
    “Wasn’t the calcs in the video 91 megajoules minimum and over 500 max?”

    I see you missed the part where it’s going to take that, plus the 3 GJ that vaped a SIII.
    =
    “You can call PIS if you want but they are repeatedly shown to cause larfe amounts of damage against rock and metal.”

    And they’ve repeatedly shown to do much less than that. Low balling works both ways.
    =
    ” At the very least it is clear they do far more damage then Bullets and plasma and it would take few shots to kill a Spartan.”

    Pretty sure Rag and TMWtA have had this discussion with you, it’s different types of damage.
    =
    “Were they different models? ”

    Yes, Holly was a SIII wearing SPI armor(shieldless).
    =
    “Did Molly take a bunch of damage prior to taking the hit?”

    Probably, they’ve been fighting for a long time as I recall.
    =
    “Did Fred have some kind of modefied shield?”

    Nope, standard SII MJOLNIR Mark VI.
    =
    “You really have no good reason for Cortana not to be able to hack the DS do you? It’s not nearly that alien of tech, it’s just a giant cannon.
    You need actual proof it’s too alien for her to dig through, which you have yet to present.
    You need to prove that if it isn’t too alien for her to deal with, that the security involved can catch her.
    You then need to prove that not only can the security catch her, but defeat her in a cyber battle.

    You’ve done none of this. You’ve endlessly just repeated:
    about the hundreds of featless droids, firewalls, and tech personnel being able to stop her.
    that Star Wars tech is so different from Halo tech that they’re completely different
    and for some reason decided that the size of the station makes it harder to hack, a point that makes no sense whatsoever

    Featless droids and tech do not compare to feats
    You’ve provided little to no reason to believe the Death Star is so alien Cortana can’t deal with it
    and the size of the station makes no sense whatsoever from a hacking standpoint”

    QFT
    =
    “and Quick to Adjust is apparently not being given any credit either”

    Yea, there’s no reason QTA couldn’t integrate parts of the ship, dead Stromies, weapons, etc to the Spartans armor and weapons.

    Maybe like this?

    s82.photobucket.com/user/ryaaan14/media/stormtrooperarmor.jpg.html

    Not gonna lie, it makes me sad that that’s the closest to a “mash up” of the two armors I could find.

    Seriously though, they could easily get weapons that are just as deadly without the drawbacks and upgrade their armor with dead Stormies’ armor or chunks of the ship.
    =
    Don’t know if I’ve said this before, but I really do like this match. Makes me want to think of something similar for it, but pulling from more universes than this, still like it a lot.

  96. Super Combine February 14, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #96

    @CH1C4N0444
    “Wasn’t one of the reasons SPI armor was used for the SIIIs was because the armor was a lot cheaper, lighter, and less bulky?”

    Yeah, but how much lighter? “A lot” isn’t very specific, so I went with the only weight I did know for sure.

    “Did Holly have weapons on her? If so, which ones? Would those factor in at all to the calc?”

    Since they were in the middle of a firefight I would think so. No direct mention though, and really doesn’t add much, maybe a few extra mega-joules to melt the rifle (it only weighs 4 kg).

    Kelly, Will, and Lucy were flung into the air by that shot, the three of them together would probably be well over a ton. Would that fact factor into the overall energy?”

    That would be the kinetic energy from Holly’s body/armor being violently heated up to the point it changes states from solid/liquid to gas and released outward, as well as the air around them being heated to an extreme. It would indeed have to be quite powerful to throw 3 half ton individuals in the air. It’s been a long day though and I’m feeling a bit too tired to bother doing a calc for that right now.

  97. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 14, 2015 at 4:48 pm -      #97

    “Yeah, but how much lighter? “A lot” isn’t very specific, so I went with the only weight I did know for sure.”

    Fair enough.
    =
    “Since they were in the middle of a firefight I would think so.”

    Probably, wonder what weapons she ended up taking then.
    =
    “No direct mention though, and really doesn’t add much, maybe a few extra mega-joules to melt the rifle (it only weighs 4 kg).”

    Wouldn’t that be assuming she was just carrying a rifle though? Going off of Spartans usual loadouts they tend to have a lot more than just a couple of weapons.Although, judging from your response to this, it still wouldn’t add too much more anyways.
    =
    ” It would indeed have to be quite powerful to throw 3 half ton individuals in the air.”

    Thought so. So, takes about 3.32GJ to down Spartan shielding so far?
    =
    It’s been a long day though and I’m feeling a bit too tired to bother doing a calc for that right now.”

    Sorry to hear that, hope things get better.

  98. Neon Lord February 14, 2015 at 5:06 pm -      #98

    “Is that why pieces were flying off everywhere? Leia even said he as going to tear it to pieces.”

    Hardly snapping its neck like you previously claimed. And the only thing that is clearly been torn off is a single armour panel on the right. Everything else is small pieces with no discernible source.

    “Considering there were multiple R2 units besides our blue protagonist on the DS it seems the models isn’t that out of date.”

    R2 units are goddamn astromech droids, designed for the maintenance of starships and the occasional nav computer piloting. If a ship repair droid can hack the Death Star, there is no reason Cortana shouldn’t be able to.

    “They are successors to the Clones who faced IG-Magnaguards, Droid Commandoes, Jedi, Wookies, and many more who all tend to “acrobatics” and for the most part they win. May take some casualties buts theres 10 of you and a million of us.”

    Lol. You think Clone troopers are comparable to Storm troopers. You have just insulted the greatness of the GAR.

    “Either one of those calcs would lead to everyone in that enclosed room being boiled alive. ”

    Let’s just remember that even the feats in the video are extreme high end. We see nothing like those shots 99% of the time.

  99. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 14, 2015 at 5:39 pm -      #99

    “They are successors to the Clones who faced IG-Magnaguards, Droid Commandoes, Jedi, Wookies, and many more who all tend to “acrobatics” and for the most part they win. May take some casualties buts theres 10 of you and a million of us.”

    Just saw this.

    Droid commandos are wrecking the clones here. Doesn’t seem like they were “winning” here.



    Not only that, but I don’t see too much acrobatics, let alone on the level of Spartans. Not only that, but it shows that Stormies are going to get wrecked in CQC by any number of Spartans. Seeing how Spartans are undoubtedly faster and stronger and more agile than those droids.
    =
    Can’t find examples of the other two, but I know Clones vs Jedi ends up badly for them. The other two don’t seem like they’d go well for them though seeing how the other two have gone for them.
    =
    “Lol. You think Clone troopers are comparable to Storm troopers. You have just insulted the greatness of the GAR.”

    Even if they aren’t Clones haven’t shown that they do that good against two out of those four, and the other two doesn’t seem like they’ve ever faced them in battle, so I don’t think it goes that well for them there either. So, in this match, they’ll get wrecked in CQC.
    =
    And by the looks of it, there’s still no reason why QTA couldn’t just adapt any of the Empires tech to the armor or weapons.

  100. Super Combine February 14, 2015 at 5:46 pm -      #100

    “Probably, wonder what weapons she ended up taking then.”

    Just re-read the chapter, Holly had a MA5K carbine and a sniper rifle. No weight given for the SRS99 sniper afaik, but it’s Russian analogue the PTRD weighs over 17 kg so around that.

    “So, takes about 3.32GJ to down Spartan shielding so far?”

    In that particular scene, roughly, yes. It’s been a long time since I’ve read GoO in it’s entirety, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find scenes elsewhere where a S-IIs shields are brought down by much less. Remember, this is a high end, though at least it’s a bit more realistic in the context of that scene compared to the “high end” Blaster feats.

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