Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Vs Galactus

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Vs Galactus

Suggested by Tarbel

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Gurren Lagann) make his first appearence here and now goes up against Galactus (Marvel)

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is at full power.

Scenario 1: Galactus is well fed. ~70%

Scenario 2: Galactus is at full power.

They fight at equal sizes in a regenerating universe.

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85 Comments on "Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Vs Galactus"

  1. Xornell February 7, 2015 at 1:01 am -      #1

    Galactus wins. Fuck your fuckin’ weeb shit. Although it would probably take a full power Galan to take TTGL.

  2. Batz February 7, 2015 at 1:12 am -      #2

    Doesn’t Spiral Power count as bio-energy? If so wouldn’t all of TTGL’s efforts just FEED Galactus?

  3. Rookie February 7, 2015 at 1:19 am -      #3

    Old King Necro Thor killed Galactus:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3912390-0+%2821%29.jpg
    Bunch of Reeds killed Galactus:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/117571/3539810-many+surfers+2.jpg
    Tenebrous defeated Galactus:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74477/3436555-1254744-annihilation1031032en6.jpg
    Uber Celestian defeated Galactus:
    i.imgur.com/7RhAu.jpg
    ….
    Any of them are above TTGL in terms of power IMO. Galactus wins.

  4. Centurion-A001 February 7, 2015 at 1:24 am -      #4

    That is an amazing picture for Galactus. I don’t know very much about Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, but a well fed Galactus can move galaxies with ease
    s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Energy%20manipulation/misc/rom02721vt0.jpg.html

    Destroy a universe static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63189/1324837-13vp5.jpg

    Might like Twinkies www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/JamesElliott/2012-11-16_152150_MTU137_Twinkles.JPG

    Can take on four Celestials at once (until they perform a fusion dance, which is cheating) www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkYw_VWi8QY

    His fights cause collateral damage on a galactic scale static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/71420/1597285-299926_8_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg
    .
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/299925-7_mephisto_vs_galactus_super.jpg
    .


    Plus that blast that destroyed three solar systems? It was actually large enough to clean the Annihilation Wave out of the galaxy as a whole s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media-full/Raw%20power/thanos_004.jpg.html
    So a starving Galactus can still be galaxy+.

  5. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 7, 2015 at 1:28 am -      #5

    “Old King Necro Thor killed Galactus:”

    Future reality. Not 616 canon.
    =
    “Bunch of Reeds killed Galactus:”

    Don’t know where this comes from, but doesn’t seem canon.
    =
    Can whatever this guy is survive universe busting attacks? Cus Galactus can use those.
    =
    Also, would it be fair to assume the second Galactus dies that TTGL would have to deal with Abraxas?

  6. Rookie February 7, 2015 at 1:33 am -      #6

    @CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets

    “Also, would it be fair to assume the second Galactus dies that TTGL would have to deal with Abraxas?”

    No. He is another character.

    “Can whatever this guy is survive universe busting attacks? Cus Galactus can use those.”

    I guess not, the best he did was casual galaxy busting (from 1:12, they literally bigger than galaxy):

  7. Jake_Uzumaki February 7, 2015 at 1:37 am -      #7

    There’s no real confirmation of if Old King Thor is or is not the direct future of 616 but most evidence seems to point to yes, Gorr was only mentioned to have pulled gods out of time not from other universes, the portal Thor took to meet OK Thor was a time portal, the end of the arc said they each returned to their own times not universes, everything that is history to Old King Thor is currently happening Laufies Skull, war between the realms all of which were in history books in Old King Thor’s library, evil adult Loki is explicitly trying to ensure the future where Old King Thor protects a dead Midgard that Galactus will seek to eat….if its not the same universe its damn near identical in every facet except how old Thor is.

  8. Alpha or Omega February 7, 2015 at 1:42 am -      #8

    I would like to point out that in the Galactus vs Future Thorforce Thor, that Galactus was severely starving to the point that he could only moon bust and desperately wanting to eat the earth.
    Thor wasn’t facing a 70% or fully fed Galactus.
    /
    Nice MvC3 Galactus image btw.

  9. Rookie February 7, 2015 at 1:46 am -      #9

    @Alpha or Omega

    Galactus stated that he eat something:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/10/102593/3912392-01.png

  10. Xornell February 7, 2015 at 1:51 am -      #10

    “There’s no real confirmation of if Old King Thor is or is not the direct future of 616 but most evidence seems to point to yes, Gorr was only mentioned to have pulled gods out of time not from other universes, the portal Thor took to meet OK Thor was a time portal, the end of the arc said they each returned to their own times not universes, everything that is history to Old King Thor is currently happening Laufies Skull, war between the realms all of which were in history books in Old King Thor’s library, evil adult Loki is explicitly trying to ensure the future where Old King Thor protects a dead Midgard that Galactus will seek to eat…”

    Holy run-on sentence, Batman!

  11. Jake_Uzumaki February 7, 2015 at 1:51 am -      #11

    Also the after end scene of the comics showed that the Necro sword didn’t kill Galactus and merged with him to create the Butcher of Worlds.

  12. Alpha or Omega February 7, 2015 at 1:52 am -      #12

    “Galactus stated that he eat something:”
    /
    That didn’t change the fact that he was severely starving that he would eat the earth.

  13. Warlock Lowk February 7, 2015 at 2:05 am -      #13

    Galactus gets fed for an eternity and can stop going back to earth.

  14. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 7, 2015 at 2:09 am -      #14

    ” Gorr was only mentioned to have pulled gods out of time not from other universes”

    And we’ve seen other future’s doing the same thing. Spiderman 2099 for example uses time travel to go back to present day Earth 616, but when he goes back to his time it’s classified as Earth 928.
    =
    “the portal Thor took to meet OK Thor was a time portal”

    And when the Tomorrow Man is first introduced to comics Thor followed him through time as well, still ended up in an alternate

    marvel.wikia.com/Earth-6297

    And there’s also the above point.
    =
    marvel.wikia.com/Earth-14412
    =
    “its damn near identical in every facet except how old Thor is.”

    But the fact remains that it’s not the same universe and it’s not the same Thor. If we’re accepting alternate realities of characters just because it’s a “future” of that character then we should also accept clones or replicas of that character that are meant to be identical, which I’ve seen argued against many times on this site.
    =
    “Also the after end scene of the comics showed that the Necro sword didn’t kill Galactus and merged with him to create the Butcher of Worlds.”

    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140708220335/marveldatabase/images/b/b5/Galactus_%28Earth-14412%29_as_Butcher_of_Worlds_from_Thor_God_of_Thunder_Vol_1_24.jpg

    Got ninja’d…

  15. DokuSaki February 7, 2015 at 5:36 am -      #15

    How would galactus servive “i have the best wife in the universe swing.”https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUbFAy6Pen4

    Or drill cannons that are about the size of a galaxy and cannot miss. Also how does he fair against properbilty manipulation.

  16. captain napalm February 7, 2015 at 5:58 am -      #16

    If full-power Galactus is universe-level…he could probably win, yeah. I dunno, TTGL’s best feats:

    -Casual galaxy-level in general
    -Was worried by an attack with the power of the Big Bang, but due to outside help absorbed said attack and grew stronger (so if it’s at its strongest for this fight, I guess it’s the Big-Bang-absorbed version?)
    -Probability manipulation in attack and defence (i.e. altering probability to make enemy attacks miss and its own attacks hit)
    -Time manipulation (can fire at enemies using time travel to ‘hide’ in the near future and past)
    -Teleportation, including between universes
    -Physical blows can break through the walls of reality
    -Resistance to mind-hax

    I mean…I dunno, does a Big Bang count as a universe-level attack? If it does, this could be tricky; if it doesn’t, Galactus takes this unless he has no way of countering some of TTGL’s weirder abilities (the probability and time stuff).

  17. pimpmage February 7, 2015 at 8:15 am -      #17

    ” but due to outside help absorbed said attack and grew stronger”

    All the characters from the show that ever controlled a mech are in this match. All their mechs and their persons form together to form TTGL. Including the guy that absorbed that attack.

    Also, TTGL was shown to resist a universal singularity. In part by causing it with another mirrored mech and living through it with no damage taken.


    Last thing, how big is galactus? All the scans I saw show him to be planet sized or smaller. Can he even perceive TTGL which is larger by several orders of magnitude than the largest galaxy sizes.

  18. Rookie February 7, 2015 at 8:29 am -      #18

    @pimpmage

    “Last thing, how big is galactus?”

    Around size of big building.

    ” Can he even perceive TTGL which is larger by several orders of magnitude than the largest galaxy sizes.”

    Yes.
    Also while Galactus was near dead he telepoted Drax to another system, without even looking at him. He could just teleport TTGL pilots away and be done with TTGL.

  19. Ragnorke February 7, 2015 at 8:40 am -      #19

    Galactus has no size, since he has no physical body.
    Everything you “see” of Galactus is simply the human brain trying desperately to grasp at a universal concept, to stop itself from melting/shutting down.

    He’s been big enough to move galaxies around with his hands. And often speaks to Eternity (embodiment of the universe) as equals.

  20. Sauroposeidon February 7, 2015 at 8:47 am -      #20

    Jesus Fucking H. Macy Christ on a God Damn Cracker haven’t we had enough TTGL stuff on BankGambling lately? I almost miss that Dresden fucker at this point.

    And, Pimp,this being TTGL, not the STTGL, I don’t think we can use stuff concerning the STTGL.. unless it’s allowed to transform in to it if given the opportunity.

  21. captain napalm February 7, 2015 at 9:07 am -      #21

    “All the characters from the show that ever controlled a mech are in this match. All their mechs and their persons form together to form TTGL. Including the guy that absorbed that attack.”

    That’s true, so not outside help. But base TTGL was still worried by the Big Bang thing. Anyway, it says at its strongest so that’d be Big-Bang-absorbed.

    “Also, TTGL was shown to resist a universal singularity. In part by causing it with another mirrored mech and living through it with no damage taken.”

    Well, that was in the movie version; we using movie or show here?

    “Jesus Fucking H. Macy Christ on a God Damn Cracker haven’t we had enough TTGL stuff on BankGambling lately? I almost miss that Dresden fucker at this point.”

    Taking all bets on what’s going to be next in the Cycle of FP Over-Exposure.

  22. Sauroposeidon February 7, 2015 at 10:20 am -      #22

    “Taking all bets on what’s going to be next in the Cycle of FP Over-Exposure.”

    King Ghidorah. God please let it be King Ghidorah.

  23. DokuSaki February 7, 2015 at 10:43 am -      #23

    “He could just teleport TTGL pilots away and be done with TTGL.”
    Would not work for a few reasons. 1) spiral energy says no. If they simpley will it they will not be teleported. 2) Even if they do teleport they simple build the entire mech again or the entire Team teleport them selves there including the mech.

    Can a galactus bust out of a dimentsion?

  24. pimpmage February 7, 2015 at 11:02 am -      #24

    “Yes.
    Also while Galactus was near dead he telepoted Drax to another system, without even looking at him. He could just teleport TTGL pilots away and be done with TTGL.”

    You just showed distance between systems is how far he can perceive. Even if we scale him up to tggl size, he has the reaction times and view distances relative to his best feats. But according to the videos of the tggl, they would have reaction times and the movement speeds millions of times faster than the speed of light. Can galactus equal that?

  25. Commander Cross February 7, 2015 at 11:28 am -      #25

    At #22

    Bloody Hell to the Bloody NO, let it be stuff from Tenchi Muyo this time around.
    :evil:

    We’ve yet to see either Original!-Tenchi or Z go against either 616 SS Strange or some of the enemies in his Rogues’ Gallery as well.

    Few worlds I’d know that’d allow contentment on the matter quite honestly, but I won’t belly-ache if Madoka Magica be listed this time.

    Unless of course you want Post-Changes Dresden vs Edward Elric(Full Metal Alchemist) or Kirito(Sword Art Online) or Tenchi Muyo vs Star Wars And Dragon Ball Z* at the same time, in which case be our guest. :D (Kicking someone while they still be down aside on the latter bit.)

    @Everyone Else

    So is Metal Galactus The Butcher Fleet of Worlds being considered for Situation 02 by chance?
    If so, would he warrant an STTGL to go in a smackdown against?

    To be honest, I was expecting the TTGL to go against Dormammu or Mephisto first out rather than Galactus, Marvel 616 Infernal Lords feel somehow more fitting to watch a smackdown of Cosmic Proportions with if anyone asks me.

    Maybe one of these days I might suggest a fight with either Infernal Lords from Marvel and watch the Epic Craziness ensure.

    It never hurts that Gurren Lagann gets more powerful the better-developed the cast actually is as well, no doubt this fight still be pretty Crazy in its own right.

    —-

    I just got back from watching Jupiter Ascending In case anyone asks. ^_^

  26. Yatsukahagi February 7, 2015 at 11:50 am -      #26

    I hope we’re not taking all of Galactus’s feats at face value here, but rather going with specifics. As in, eschewing “well this character had one statement of high end superpowers in one comic, ergo he can spam this at will”, because comics are so fundamentally inconsistent every showing of a character’s ability in comics is probably best taken individually, ignoring practically everything else.

    Especially considering the number of times we’ve seen Galactus trumped by beings far below his weight class that provide a massive disconnect from what I’ve seen in most comic threads, this included.

  27. Nsl98 February 7, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #27

    Except he has multiple showings of high end feats that show his true power.

  28. Yatsukahagi February 7, 2015 at 2:13 pm -      #28

    “Except he has multiple showings of high end feats that show his true power.”

    Except he has multiple showings of low end feats that show his ‘true power’. Your logic elicits many objections.

  29. hellboy147 February 7, 2015 at 2:22 pm -      #29

    @Rookie

    Adding to you comment chaos king Hercules teleports Galactus in to another univers.

  30. Tarbel February 7, 2015 at 4:40 pm -      #30

    Thanks for the post!
    As I suggested the match:
    Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann will be allowed if Galactus proves too powerful.
    If TTGL or STTGL proves too powerful, Galactus gets his equipment + spaceship (if those do anything).
    Also, this is Galactus of the main 616 universe but applicable feats from other universes may apply.

  31. Centurion-A001 February 7, 2015 at 4:52 pm -      #31

    Wait…if Galactus gets his equipment, wouldn’t that include the Ultimate Nullifier? Can STTGL survive the UN? Cause I don’t think it can.

  32. DokuSaki February 7, 2015 at 7:25 pm -      #32

    “Wait…if Galactus gets his equipment, wouldn’t that include the Ultimate Nullifier? Can STTGL survive the UN? Cause I don’t think it can.” Scan?

  33. Rookie February 7, 2015 at 7:30 pm -      #33

    @hellboy147

    “chaos king Hercules”

    Isn’t he stronger than Mikaboshi, who destroyed 98% of multiverse?

  34. hellboy147 February 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm -      #34

    “Isn’t he stronger than Mikaboshi, who destroyed 98% of multiverse?”
    _

    Stalemate, Hercules power levels at this point were beyond any sky father limit (including silver age Odin). The rest i’ll leave it here.

    www.comicvine.com/hercules/4005-2503/forums/chaos-war-hercules-abilitiesfeats-722370/ comment #2

  35. Centurion-A001 February 7, 2015 at 7:53 pm -      #35

    www.ferretpress.com/weblog/uploaded_images/nullifier-754561.jpg
    .
    “The Ultimate Nullifier has been described as “the universe’s most devastating weapon.” As such, the Ultimate Nullifier has the ability to completely and utterly eliminate any target the wielder chooses (through violation of the law of conservation of mass), and—if the wielder’s mind isn’t powerful enough—the wielder himself. In the hands of a being with an extremely powerful intellect, such as Galactus, the Ultimate Nullifier can destroy entire time-lines from beginning to end and instantly nullify (and, paradoxically, recreate) a multiverse.”
    marvel.wikia.com/Ultimate_Nullifier_%28Weapon%29

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2820438-quasar_40_03.jpg

  36. pimpmage February 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #36

    How fast is galactus? How far away can he see enemies? How is his reaction times? Because the way I see it, either ttgl or sttgl can speed blitz circles around him for millions of years. They can move between galaxies in mere seconds and perceive the passage of time at that size as if it were real time. Thats reaction times and movement speeds millions of times faster than the speed of light.

  37. Darth Bombad February 8, 2015 at 12:22 am -      #37

    @Sauro
    “King Ghidorah. God please let it be King Ghidorah.”

    How about King Ghidorah vs Smaug?.

  38. Centurion-A001 February 8, 2015 at 12:31 am -      #38

    King Ghidorah is one of the most powerful dai-kaiju in fiction. He’s one of the only monsters that can beat Godzilla head-to-head. He’d kill Smaug just as fast, if not faster than Godzilla did.

    I actually have no direct information on Galactus’ speed, but Marvel.com has him listed as a 7 in speed, as fast as anyone else in the Marvel Universe.

  39. Ragnorke February 8, 2015 at 1:38 am -      #39

    “Except he has multiple showings of low end feats that show his ‘true power’. Your logic elicits many objections.”

    Usually due to him being Starving & Weak, or Plot.
    If you really think those low end showings represent a well fed Galactus, you’re out of your mind.

    “How fast is galactus? How far away can he see enemies? How is his reaction times? Because the way I see it, either ttgl or sttgl can speed blitz circles around him for millions of years.”

    1. How would this help if Galactus just destroys the entire universe?
    2. Galactus’ speed can be scaled by his multiple fights with cosmic characters, such as all his heralds who are trillions of times FTL. (they all derive their powers directly from him), Thor, Sentry, Odin, Strange, Adam Warlock, Beta ray Bill…
    3. You’re still thinking of Galactus as too much of a physical being, when he really isn’t.
    He along with Eternity are the literal embodiments of the universe. They exist on a plane/level beyond human comprehension.
    The body associated with Galactus isn’t a true body, but merely the human mind trying to make sense of something so “above” our senses.

  40. Hermit February 8, 2015 at 6:12 am -      #40

    Gurren Lagann tanked galaxies being thrown at it.

  41. pimpmage February 8, 2015 at 7:42 am -      #41

    “1. How would this help if Galactus just destroys the entire universe?”

    1. How does he survive it then? Does he still have the nullifier? I read on the wiki that he is not the current owner. Also, ttgl can just keep shifting to other universes or hide itself within the fabric of time.

    “2. Galactus’ speed can be scaled by his multiple fights with cosmic characters, such as all his heralds who are trillions of times FTL. ”

    Fallacy by association? Why does galactus even use a ship then? Also, can you prove those speeds are better than ttgl speeds? How does galactus EVER manage to get starved if he is that fast? That is stupid reasoning.

    “3. You’re still thinking of Galactus as too much of a physical being, when he really isn’t.
    He along with Eternity are the literal embodiments of the universe. They exist on a plane/level beyond human comprehension.”

    You are saying you don’t know what he is so nothing can beat it… right…

  42. captain napalm February 8, 2015 at 8:55 am -      #42

    “King Ghidorah. God please let it be King Ghidorah.”

    “let it be stuff from Tenchi Muyo this time around.”

    I shall continue to dream the impossible dream of some Kamen Rider matches, or perhaps some more Saint Seiya.

    Ah yes, the Ultimate Nullifier, the most powerful of all Stan-Lee-has-run-out-of-ideas-for-how-to-resolve-this-issue plot devices.

  43. captain napalm February 8, 2015 at 8:57 am -      #43

    Also, and this is probably just a plot hole and not to do with Galactus’ actual capabilities, but if he’s so fast, one would think he could just snatch the UN out of Reed’s hand before he could activate it. Or just kill him before he could activate it. Or something.

  44. Sauroposeidon February 8, 2015 at 10:07 am -      #44

    “How about King Ghidorah vs Smaug?.”

    Suggest it. Suggest like 5 or 6 King Ghidorah matches.

  45. Rookie February 8, 2015 at 10:11 am -      #45

    @Sauroposeidon

    Who is stronger Kaiser Ghidorah godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_X or Grand King Ghidorah villains.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_King_Ghidorah ?
    And how strong those two compared to Shin Getter Robo and Mazinkaiser? Can they give robots good match?

  46. Sauroposeidon February 8, 2015 at 10:30 am -      #46

    Well, there’s almost no information on Kaiser Ghidorah besides a single brief fight… I’d say King Ghidorah composite would be the best choice, allowing for manga, game, and movie feats collectively.

  47. Rookie February 8, 2015 at 10:56 am -      #47

    @Sauroposeidon

    “Well, there’s almost no information on Kaiser Ghidorah besides a single brief fight… I’d say King Ghidorah composite would be the best choice, allowing for manga, game, and movie feats collectively.”

    Composite would be too strong for what I have in mind… Hmmmm but you also have good point about Kaiser… I’l just have to make it 4vs4 and hope that my idea will work. Two versions of Ghidorah in one match? Could be cool I think, if I will be able to find good opponents of course.

  48. Yatsukahagi February 8, 2015 at 11:17 am -      #48

    “Usually due to him being Starving & Weak, or Plot.
    If you really think those low end showings represent a well fed Galactus, you’re out of your mind.”

    If you think we can take a few high end descriptions that are internally inconsistent with everything else and label them “fully-fed Galactus” while everything else is “starving, so irrelevant” you are mistaken. As is turns out I also use my line of reasoning to eliminate many of these nonsense, outlier low showings just as often as the high end ones. What remains still fails to paint a picture of what most Facts like to think of Galactus. For instance;

    “3. You’re still thinking of Galactus as too much of a physical being, when he really isn’t.
    He along with Eternity are the literal embodiments of the universe. They exist on a plane/level beyond human comprehension.
    The body associated with Galactus isn’t a true body, but merely the human mind trying to make sense of something so “above” our senses.”

    Obviously his physical body is still integral to his being given how many times we’ve seen him chumped in it. Annihilation arc, for instance. Call me crazy, but it looked like Galactus was a bit stuck in his body during those events.

    This is one of the many things I was in reference to during my earlier comments. Galactus is a vague, poorly defined, and inconsistent ~comic book character~ with numerous undefined but impressive-sounding descriptors written by half a dozen different hacks none of whom know what ‘reality warping’, ‘omnipotent’ or ‘universe’ means. Taking absolutely everything we see or hear at face value is absolute folly* and obviously bad debating practice.


    *Fine, comic book fans do love to ignore low end feats. I’ll give them that.

  49. pimpmage February 8, 2015 at 1:32 pm -      #49

    Are we done here? Galactus is going to get punched repeatedly at speeds millions of times ftl. Possibly bfred to edge of the universe where he procedes to starve to death in a hilarious stomp for ttgl. No need to even go to sttgl.

  50. Epicazeroth February 8, 2015 at 6:22 pm -      #50

    @Yatsukahagi: “If you think we can take a few high end descriptions that are internally inconsistent with everything else and label them “fully-fed Galactus” while everything else is “starving, so irrelevant” you are mistaken.”
    But the fact is that he’s rarely ever fully fed. He’s not even always well-fed. When he is, he tends to have much stronger feats.

    “Obviously his physical body is still integral to his being given how many times we’ve seen him chumped in it.”
    I’m pretty sure he does have a body. It just doesn’t look like the giant human with a ridiculous hat. I think his true form is a “star with infinite energy” or something like that.

    “Galactus is a vague, poorly defined, and inconsistent ~comic book character~ with numerous undefined but impressive-sounding descriptors written by half a dozen different hacks none of whom know what ‘reality warping’, ‘omnipotent’ or ‘universe’ means.”
    1) This sounds suspiciously like a rant, and suspiciously unlike an actual argument.
    2) Use of “comic book character” as an insult.
    3) They actually do know what those words mean, or at least have a god enough idea.
    4) You can’t claim to understand “omnipotent” either.

  51. hellboy147 February 8, 2015 at 9:43 pm -      #51

    Galactus is pretty weak compare to his size, even sky fathers can give him a good fight.
    _
    off topic what you guys think of this

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/10/109250/2443726-10_hercules.jpg

    this is his base form.

  52. Yatsukahagi February 8, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #52

    “But the fact is that he’s rarely ever fully fed. He’s not even always well-fed. When he is, he tends to have much stronger feats.”

    This simply implies that he is relatively un-quantifiable at this level. I think you’re under the mistaken impression I’m disallowing feats. If a consistent picture of his power is painted, and it checks out to be quite powerful, there is no problem with this. I’m arguing against the outliers that comic fans seem to love to employ.

    “I’m pretty sure he does have a body. It just doesn’t look like the giant human with a ridiculous hat. I think his true form is a “star with infinite energy” or something like that.”

    Regardless of what his true form supposedly is, he certainly prefers the form we normally see. And we also see he can be harmed in this form. As such, appealing to his so-called ‘true form’ is a bad debating practice and quite frankly silly in context.

    “1) This sounds suspiciously like a rant, and suspiciously unlike an actual argument.”

    This is no response to either of those prospects.

    “2) Use of “comic book character” as an insult.”

    That was hardly my intention.

    “3) They actually do know what those words mean, or at least have a god enough idea.”

    Don’t be absurd. Western comics are by far one of the most internally inconsistent and illogical mediums of entertainment there is. Whenever entering fields scientific or theological, comics (Marvel and DC in particular) tend to become poorly thought out zeitgeist’s of retcons, by-fiat powers, literal magic, inconsistency, the utter denial (or misrepresentation) of scientific and mathematics fields, failure to demonstrate knowledge of what actual alterations of reality mean, and oft bad writing.

    “4) You can’t claim to understand “omnipotent” either.”

    Oh I very much can. If you think that “omnipotence” is a hallowed concept beyond any human reasoning, you’re sorely mistaken. We created it, after all.

  53. Warlock Lowk February 9, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #53

    “Western comics are by far one of the most internally inconsistent and illogical mediums of entertainment there is. Whenever entering fields scientific or theological, comics (Marvel and DC in particular) tend to become poorly thought out zeitgeist’s of retcons, by-fiat powers, literal magic, inconsistency, the utter denial (or misrepresentation) of scientific and mathematics fields, failure to demonstrate knowledge of what actual alterations of reality mean, and oft bad writing.”

    I wish so much that I could disagree with you but I read comics.
    Though in it’s defense bad writing is about as common as it is in every other form of entertainment and can be subject to opinion.

  54. pimpmage February 9, 2015 at 12:10 am -      #54

    “Though in it’s defense bad writing is about as common as it is in every other form of entertainment and can be subject to opinion.”

    It has nothing to do with writing style. Comic book authors hardly create their books around providing details that sites like this would tear apart and search for. Readers could care less what the power calcs their fav characters have.

  55. Aelfinn February 9, 2015 at 12:10 am -      #55

    @Yatsukahagi
    I certainly understand your pain with outliers.
    =
    Anyway, idk if this scan is of hungry galactus or not, but he gets pretty heavily injured by an Odin-headbutt, and the galaxy seems pretty intact.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105933/2111167-09_02_2011_06.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105933/2111169-09_02_2011_07.jpg

  56. Yatsukahagi February 9, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #56

    “I wish so much that I could disagree with you but I read comics.
    Though in it’s defense bad writing is about as common as it is in every other form of entertainment and can be subject to opinion.”

    Like I noted, my comment was particular towards when comics pretend they mean something deeper, or are smart. They suffer from bad writing, but they can be touching as well.

  57. Warlock Lowk February 9, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #57

    “It has nothing to do with writing style. Comic book authors hardly create their books around providing details that sites like this would tear apart and search for.”

    They used to add a lot in narration boxes. But that was back in the day where they understood even less then they do know and where more concerned with making ridiculous stories.

  58. Ragnorke February 9, 2015 at 5:25 am -      #58

    “You are saying you don’t know what he is so nothing can beat it… right…”

    I’m saying there’s more to him than what we physically see.

    “Obviously his physical body is still integral to his being given how many times we’ve seen him chumped in it.”

    Usually by other cosmic or interdimensional beings.
    In the case of Annihilation, it took 2 other beings from the “last universe”, who were equals to big G.

    Stating he has no form:
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    Greeting Eternity:
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    A metamorphosed embodiment of the cosmos:
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    Johnny Storm (with a cosmic cube) sees Galactus for what he really is.
    He then says that Galactuses entire physical body is just the human brain trying to stop itself from melting down:
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    Here the Watcher refers to him as a power feeding on itself.
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  59. Ragnorke February 9, 2015 at 5:28 am -      #59

    “Regardless of what his true form supposedly is, he certainly prefers the form we normally see. And we also see he can be harmed in this form”

    He doesn’t “prefer” that form, it’s just the form that humans give to him.

    All races see him in a different way,
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    Forexample:
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  60. Ragnorke February 9, 2015 at 5:40 am -      #60

    “Anyway, idk if this scan is of hungry galactus or not, but he gets pretty heavily injured by an Odin-headbutt, and the galaxy seems pretty intact.”

    Right after that, Galactus simply brushed Odin aside like he was nothing.
    And Odin is a dude that has done stuff like this:
    media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/249391-surtur0016wreckinggalaxct1_super.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1827482-journeyintomystery513p05.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1827483-journeyintomystery513p18.jpg
    It makes sense that he could kinda hurt Galactus.

  61. Ragnorke February 9, 2015 at 5:57 am -      #61

    “If you think we can take a few high end descriptions that are internally inconsistent with everything else and label them “fully-fed Galactus” while everything else is “starving, so irrelevant” you are mistaken.”

    How am i mistaken…?
    He has some incredibly high end feats, and other not so high end feats.
    We know for a fact Galactuses power levels fluctuate based on his hunger.
    So what’s the most reasonable assumption in this scenario? That his high end feats were performed when fed, and that his low end feats were performed when hungry.

    “As is turns out I also use my line of reasoning to eliminate many of these nonsense, outlier low showings just as often as the high end ones.”

    His high end showings are CONSISTENT when he goes all out though.
    He destroyed Galaxies in his fight against Tyrant.
    He moved Galaxies with his hands when meeting the Cosmics.
    He has multiple claims of having “leveled” Galaxies.
    He destroyed 3 solar systems while on the verge of death.
    He’s consistently stated to be above Odin, who has destroyed Galaxies more than once.
    He fought the In-Betweener, who was a universal threat.
    The list goes on and on.

    He has just as many “high end” showings as Superman has Planetary showings.
    Is Superman not a planet buster now either? Because they’re all Outliers?

    I don’t think you realize what “Outlier” means.

  62. captain napalm February 9, 2015 at 6:19 am -      #62

    @Ragnorke
    So…even in the best-case scenario, Galactus’ most consistent high-end showings are galaxy-level? Pretty sure TTGL can beat that fairly easily (also casually galaxy-level, Big Bang feat, probability and temporal manipulation).

  63. Ragnorke February 9, 2015 at 9:38 am -      #63

    @Napalm
    Yea, he’s not much higher than Galaxy level, even when considered “fed” as far as his offense goes.
    His durability is much higher.

    The universal feat did happen, but that could have been due to him being at his absolute peak, which is something that we had never seen up until that point.

    Also, Annihilus was going to use Galactuses power to destroy the entire universe too. So that’s worth noting.

    @Pimp
    “Fallacy by association? Why does galactus even use a ship then? Also, can you prove those speeds are better than ttgl speeds? How does galactus EVER manage to get starved if he is that fast? That is stupid reasoning.”

    1. That isn’t an association fallacy at all.
    Heralds literally use a small portion of the power cosmic for ALL their powers.
    Galactus IS the power cosmic. He controls all of it.
    There is nothing the Heralds can do that he cannot.
    2. The ship is obviously for traveling greater distances?
    You do realize how large the universe is right?
    You can be billions of times FTL, and it would still take billions of years to reach certain locations.
    3. Also, he often uses his Ship to travel between other universes in the multiverse.

  64. Yatsukahagi February 9, 2015 at 11:02 am -      #64

    “Usually by other cosmic or interdimensional beings.
    In the case of Annihilation, it took 2 other beings from the “last universe”, who were equals to big G.”

    Or the Fantastic Four. Or Annihilation. Or any of the other numerous examples we doubtlessly have from his decades of Marvel comics history. Your scans are irrelevant to the point I’m making, unless you truly wish for me to prove the existence of several plot points.

    “He doesn’t “prefer” that form, it’s just the form that humans give to him.”

    I was in reference to his physical form, not specifically what he looks like. And it’s particularly relevant here, given his opponents are humans.

    “How am i mistaken…?
    He has some incredibly high end feats, and other not so high end feats.
    We know for a fact Galactuses power levels fluctuate based on his hunger.
    So what’s the most reasonable assumption in this scenario? That his high end feats were performed when fed, and that his low end feats were performed when hungry.”

    Brushing it off as a few high end feats and a few low end ones hardly deals with the issue. Especially concerning the dubious matter of the Ultimate Nullifier, which several of his best feats are drawn from.

    “His high end showings are CONSISTENT when he goes all out though.
    He destroyed Galaxies in his fight against Tyrant.
    He moved Galaxies with his hands when meeting the Cosmics.
    He has multiple claims of having “leveled” Galaxies.”

    Ignoring the regular comic crazy-talk “claims”, these are all fine. All of my statements have been general, aside from bringing up some evidence I have not made any specific claims on what he can and can’t do.

    “He destroyed 3 solar systems while on the verge of death.”

    I want to bring this up because he did this after escaping from capture under a civilization that IIRC could barely be classified as a type II (sans harnessing Galactus or other superheroes). Yet Galactus, who has many feats of destroying galaxies and stars, is captured nonetheless. What does that tell us?

  65. Warlock Lowk February 9, 2015 at 1:28 pm -      #65

    “What does that tell us?”

    Oh I know, gods make mistakes. No. Uh, his powers mean nothing in the face of plot. Space is filled with crazier tech then comic marvel earth. How about, always eat your space breakfest to keep energy up for the rest of the day? … Cosmic level munchies are a bitch?

  66. Epicazeroth February 9, 2015 at 4:58 pm -      #66

    @Rag: “Galactus IS the power cosmic. He controls all of it.”
    The wiki says the rest of the Cosmic Compass does as well.
    ===
    @Yatsu: “I was in reference to his physical form, not specifically what he looks like.”
    He has a form. But, the one we see is not that. What we see is just what the human brain chooses to see.

    “Brushing it off as a few high end feats and a few low end ones”
    But it’s not “a few”. He has a consistent record of having galaxy+ level attacks when he’s able or willing to use his full power. Even if it is comparatively few feats of that caliber, he has a 40+ year history. He has enough feats in terms of numbers for us to state that it’s not an outlier or something he can’t consistently do.

    “Ignoring the regular comic crazy-talk “claims”, these are all fine.”
    Are you saying “claims” is a word only used in comic books? Because it’s a real word, with a real meaning – not just one used in “comic crazy talk”.

    “a civilization that IIRC could barely be classified as a type II”
    Type II means solar-system+ levels of energy. Galactus was, at that time, only able to destroy 3 solar systems (3 is not an especially large number). Unless I’m missing something, this should work out fine.

    “(sans harnessing Galactus or other superheroes)”
    So, if we exclude their higher-end feats, they have no higher-end feats?

  67. Yatsukahagi February 9, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #67

    “He has a form. But, the one we see is not that. What we see is just what the human brain chooses to see.”

    His exact appearance is irrelevant. You know very well what I’m referring to.

    “But it’s not “a few”. He has a consistent record of having galaxy+ level attacks when he’s able or willing to use his full power. Even if it is comparatively few feats of that caliber, he has a 40+ year history. He has enough feats in terms of numbers for us to state that it’s not an outlier or something he can’t consistently do.”

    I have already discussed this. It’s worth noting these feats are hilariously and sometimes wrongly delivered, though.

    “Are you saying “claims” is a word only used in comic books? Because it’s a real word, with a real meaning – not just one used in “comic crazy talk”.”

    I hardly implied that anywhere. I used the connotation “claims” to refer to some Ragnorke posted.

    “Type II means solar-system+ levels of energy. Galactus was, at that time, only able to destroy 3 solar systems (3 is not an especially large number). Unless I’m missing something, this should work out fine.”

    I’m talking about Annihilus’s civilization.

    “So, if we exclude their higher-end feats, they have no higher-end feats?”

    My statement was perfectly clear, and this wasn’t its meaning.

  68. Batz February 9, 2015 at 6:57 pm -      #68

    Still haven’t seen any counters for the mulitverse level Ultimate Nullifier, BFR to the Chaos Dimension where Shuma-Gorath will fuck them up instead, or an answer as to whether or not Spiral Power is something Galactus could eat.
    Speaking of Shuma, is there anyone that could provide a decent fight for him at full power? Cause he did THIS
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/10/103530/3380324-3.png
    to Galactus.

  69. pimpmage February 9, 2015 at 7:39 pm -      #69

    “Still haven’t seen any counters for the mulitverse level Ultimate Nullifier,”

    Galactus is not the current owner of this device so says the wiki. Nowhere in the match rules state he gets this item. OP even added this:

    “Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann will be allowed if Galactus proves too powerful.
    If TTGL or STTGL proves too powerful, Galactus gets his equipment + spaceship (if those do anything).”

    It says his equipment, but that does not contain the nullifier because he is not the current owner of said item. Also, even IF galactus had such an item, galactus’s reaction times and movement speeds would be as if time were actually stopped compared to that of ttgl. TTGL could just end him in a single casual galaxy bursting punch at millions of times ftl. OP even said STTGL would be available if ttgl needs it.

  70. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 9, 2015 at 8:08 pm -      #70

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74477/3320503-unaspectofbiggpu2.jpg

  71. pimpmage February 9, 2015 at 8:16 pm -      #71

    Wiki says he is a previous owner. Not a current owner. Can you find proof it is currently part of his equipment? Not that it really matters since he is gonna get koed as soon as the match starts.

  72. Epicazeroth February 9, 2015 at 8:18 pm -      #72

    @Yatsu: “His exact appearance is irrelevant. You know very well what I’m referring to.”
    I actually don’t.

    “It’s worth noting these feats are hilariously and sometimes wrongly delivered, though.”
    1) It doesn’t matter how comedic you think it is. It still happened.
    2) How can it be wrong? The writers decide what happens. Are you saying they don’t know what they’re writing?

    “I’m talking about Annihilus’s civilization.”
    I don’t care who it was. The fact remains that containing a being who could only destroy 3 solar systems at the time was well within their limits.

    “My statement was perfectly clear, and this wasn’t its meaning.”
    You keep saying this, and yet people keep arguing against you.
    ===
    @Batz: “Cause he did THIS”
    Isn’t the Galactus Engine from an alternate universe?
    ===
    @pimp: “galactus’s reaction times and movement speeds would be as if time were actually stopped compared to that of ttgl.”
    Why? How fast does TTGL move?
    ===
    So, the OP says they’re the same size. Does that mean Galactus is sized up to billions of lightyears; or that TTGL is scaled down to 100 feet?

  73. pimpmage February 9, 2015 at 8:38 pm -      #73

    “Why? How fast does TTGL move?”

    TTGL hops, skips, and jumps across galaxies like a normal person could while jogging. And it, along with it’s controllers are able to react to and control the mech like it is in real time in that scale.

    “So, the OP says they’re the same size. Does that mean Galactus is sized up to billions of lightyears; or that TTGL is scaled down to 100 feet?”

    Either way, it doesn’t boost galactus’s powers whatsoever. TTGL scaled down would still have all it’s speed/reaction times/durability of it’s larger size. And galactus scaled up would have all the speed/reaction times/durability of his smaller self.

  74. Epicazeroth February 9, 2015 at 9:03 pm -      #74

    @pimp: “Either way, it doesn’t boost galactus’s powers whatsoever.”
    One the one hand, this does make a sort of sense. On the other hand, TTGL scaled down would be too fast: it would overshoot and never be able to find its way back to the battlefield. Whereas scaled-up Galactus would be so slow it couldn’t move.

    This fight seems like it’s kind of… impossible.

  75. pimpmage February 9, 2015 at 10:11 pm -      #75

    “On the other hand, TTGL scaled down would be too fast: it would overshoot and never be able to find its way back to the battlefield.”

    Thats the cool part, ttgl crew have shown to have the reaction times to fight in building level machines, moon level machines, and then galaxy level machines. I am sure they can either change out a mech or throttle it so it would not move so fast.

  76. Yatsukahagi February 9, 2015 at 10:33 pm -      #76

    “I actually don’t.”

    His physical distinctly not-an-abstract-concept form.

    “1) It doesn’t matter how comedic you think it is. It still happened.”

    Hilarious wasn’t a jocular phrasing.

    “2) How can it be wrong? The writers decide what happens. Are you saying they don’t know what they’re writing?”

    That’s exactly what I’m saying.

    “I don’t care who it was. The fact remains that containing a being who could only destroy 3 solar systems at the time was well within their limits.”

    False, on two accounts. Firstly, the destruction of three stellar systems was not explicitly all he could do. Secondly, even if it was his limit, this would not transition over to prior his confinement.

    “You keep saying this, and yet people keep arguing against you.”

    Including yourself, three people have argued against me, and one person has agreed. One person made a vague, generalized statement that barely attacked my points, the other perfectly understood what I was talking about. Your statement here is both wrong and irrelevant.

  77. Rookie February 9, 2015 at 11:35 pm -      #77

    @Batz

    “Speaking of Shuma, is there anyone that could provide a decent fight for him at full power?”

    Dormammu marvel.wikia.com/Dormammu .
    And damn, he looks so badass in Earth-2031 marvel.wikia.com/Dormammu_%28Earth-2301%29

  78. Batz February 10, 2015 at 2:56 am -      #78

    I’ll ask this until it gets answered. Is Spiral Power something Galactus can eat?

    @Rookie I’m not too sure about Dormammu. IIRC, demons like him and Mephisto were stated to be like “mice in a great temple” compared to Shuma-Gorath’s full might. By full power I don’t mean the strongest he’s been on earth, I mean his strongest in the Chaos Dimension, where after Dr. Strange absorbed Shuma’s powers he felt like his existence could destroy galaxies.

  79. Tarbel February 10, 2015 at 3:47 am -      #79

    TTGL 10 million light years in height. It is roughly at least 10^14 times FTL.
    Galactus, as he has no set form, is able to grow to ~10 million light years in height to be equivalent in size wiht TTGL.


    @Yatsukahagi
    I don’t understand what point you are arguing.


    @Batz
    Spiral power is an energy that represents evolution which is present in spiral beings. It may be possible to be absorbed by Galactus. However, a lower version of TTGL, the Super Galaxy GL, which is a planet sized version of the GL is described as having a galaxy being born within the engines. (So it’s safe to assume that the 10 million light year tall TTGL has massively more energy being generated)
    Meanwhile, the TTGL has shown the ability to withstand an attack which rivals the power of the big bang for some tens of seconds before converting it into a drill with the help of a team member.

  80. pimpmage February 10, 2015 at 4:30 am -      #80

    “I’ll ask this until it gets answered. Is Spiral Power something Galactus can eat?”

    Better yet, whats stopping TTGL from turning galactus into spiral power and absorbing him? Regardless, the match would be over before galactus can even open his mouth. His body is going to be splattered across the universe(or possibly multiverse seeing as a lower tier version of the ttgl has shown the ability to punch through dimensions.)

  81. Rookie February 10, 2015 at 6:21 am -      #81

    @Batz

    “@Rookie I’m not too sure about Dormammu. IIRC, demons like him and Mephisto were stated to be like “mice in a great temple” compared to Shuma-Gorath’s full might. By full power I don’t mean the strongest he’s been on earth, I mean his strongest in the Chaos Dimension, where after Dr. Strange absorbed Shuma’s powers he felt like his existence could destroy galaxies.”

    I guess you right, I read a little about Shuma: www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/shuma-gorath-vs-dormammu-29799/ and it looks like Dormammu may be not strong enough.
    Then how about Anti-monitor dc.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-Monitor_(Antimatter_Universe) ? Or Mikaboshi marvel.wikia.com/Amatsu-Mikaboshi_(Earth-616) ?

  82. Epicazeroth February 10, 2015 at 7:33 pm -      #82

    @Yatsu: “His physical distinctly not-an-abstract-concept form.”
    He’s an abstract concept with or given a physical form.

    “Hilarious wasn’t a jocular phrasing.”
    That’s literally the only meaning of “hilarious”.

    “That’s exactly what I’m saying.”
    1) That’s ridiculous.
    2) It doesn’t matter if they know what they’re saying. What they say happened.

    “Including yourself, three people have argued against me, and one person has agreed.”
    I didn’t say everyone is against you. I said there were people who are.

  83. Yatsukahagi February 10, 2015 at 8:40 pm -      #83

    “He’s an abstract concept with or given a physical form.”

    And it’s quite clear that his nature as an abstract concept helps him little when he faces perils in his physical form.

    “That’s literally the only meaning of “hilarious”.”

    It was in a mocking sense.

    “1) That’s ridiculous.
    2) It doesn’t matter if they know what they’re saying. What they say happened.”

    It’s hardly ridiculous, it’s nearly a necessity when any author tries to write for beings or events smarter than or beyond human comprehension. Philosophers and physicists have trouble with things occasionally, claiming that comic book writers write sound is absurd.

    “I didn’t say everyone is against you. I said there were people who are.”

    No, there’s one person against that particular statement who somehow though your response was relevant to said statement: you.

  84. Darthgrim February 17, 2015 at 6:40 pm -      #84

    What the hell is going on here?

    Fully fed Galactus is Universal on his own and with the UN even a starving Galactus has the power to reset the entire Multiverse.

  85. pimpmage February 21, 2015 at 4:54 am -      #85

    “Fully fed Galactus is Universal on his own and with the UN even a starving Galactus has the power to reset the entire Multiverse.”

    At the speed of which TGL moves and reacts, it would be as if the universe is time stopped for all galactus can perceive. TGL could sit and have tea for thousands of years before galactus even had a single thought.

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