Shulk Vs The Percy Jackson Universe

Shulk Vs The Percy Jackson universe.

Suggested by Batz

Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles, first appearance of the franchise here), who made his first appearance here, is going up against The Percy Jackson universe. The match consists of three rounds.
Round 1: Shulk vs Percy in a one on one fight.
Round 2: Shulk vs Percy, Annabeth, and Jason. Shulk has Dunban and Riki for assistance.
Round 3: Shulk vs the Olympians in a test of endurance. He begins with the youngest and works his way up to Zeus. He has 15 minutes to rest between fights.
For Rounds 1 and 2, Shulk is equipped with the Monado II. For Round 3, he is equipped with the Monado III.

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149 Comments on "Shulk Vs The Percy Jackson Universe"

  1. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 1:39 pm -      #101

    “I personally think Mist is the best compromise”

    Except mist is intangible. If we make them elementally compatible Shulk can not hurt Percy he will just pass through him since he would be made of mist, and Percy can’t hurt Shulk, since he never learned to control the mist. Thalia will fuck him up with her mist control. and im pretty sure all of the gods can control the mist, wouldn’t make sense really if they couldn’t,

    Simply making Shulk matter elementally compatible with Percy matter makes the most sense. Percy can use his abilities to the fullest, Shulk can use his abilities to the fullest AND we know for certain they can hurt each other.

  2. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 2:08 pm -      #102

    Simply making Shulk matter elementally compatible with Percy matter makes the most sense.

    Seriously, I don’t think Ether is matter the same way atoms are for us. It’s an energy, you’re getting stuck on that one line about building blocks.

    Take this move for example: Monado Purge.
    xenoblade.wikia.com/wiki/Monado_Purge

    The colour of the blade turns light green upon activation. Ether particles are charged onto the blade, allowing Shulk to send a wave of Ether particles to the enemy from afar.”

    or this one: Monado Cyclone (inventive names)
    “The colour of the blade turns into a combination of white and gold. Ether particles are concentrated into the Monado, allowing Shulk to unleash a column of powerful Ether from the ground.”

    Even the laser part of his sword: Monado Buster
    “When activated, it generates a long glowing blade, allowing Shulk to cut an enemy from a distance.

    It’s energy, not matter.

    They even have a kind of battery from the stuff
    xenoblade.wikia.com/wiki/Ether_Crystal

    It’s just like mana or the lifestream from FF7. It’s a type of energy everyone has within them- and is in the world as well.
    But it’s *not* what they’re made of like we’re made of bunch of atoms. They’re still perfectly physical beings, but they can’t exist without Ether.

  3. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 5:03 pm -      #103

    “It’s energy, not matter”

    Which means that if you put Shulk into Percy’s universe he will be made of energy. In a universe that is not made of energy. How exactly will that work?

    “It’s just like mana or the lifestream from FF7. It’s a type of energy everyone has within them- and is in the world as well”

    No, people in final fantasy are not MADE of pure life stream. People in Naruto are not MADE of chakra, people in dragon ball are not MADE of Ki/Chi (spelling optional) People in bleach are not made of….. well some of them are, not the point.
    ALL of those individuals are presumably MADE of regular atomic matter. Shulk ISNT, his entire universe is made of a completely different substance. The ONLY WAY for this match to proceed without a shit ton of guesses and assumptions is to either

    A) Find something that shows that “normal” matter exists in xenoblade so that we can figure out how it would work.

    B) Impose elemental compatibility.

    The ether does a lot of things that regular atoms do not, but that does not matter (get it… matter…), If they are not elementally compatible then nothing can happen.

    It really is such an easy thing to do. I really, REALLY don’t understand why you are so against it.

    Pros
    We would be able to actually debate the match

    We would know that both characters can use all of their abilities, without being gimped by the environment.

    we would know that both characters can actually SEE each other. Let alone touch each other, which we cant prove if we just have Shulk be made of some kind of energy.

    Cons

    ……. Semantics???

  4. nsl98 January 27, 2015 at 5:07 pm -      #104

    Honestly, has Shulk got any relevant reaction feats? Otherwise Percy has better reactions and reflexes.
    —–
    Alpha posted some strength and durability feats, but we’ve seen what happens when Celestial Bronze or Imperial Gold hit something.

  5. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 5:09 pm -      #105

    “but we’ve seen what happens when Celestial Bronze or Imperial Gold hit something”

    An immortal/semi immortal thing

  6. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 5:14 pm -      #106

    “Battles take place in a neutral arena appropriate to the scope of the match (i.e. stadium, facility, city, continent, planet, galaxy, universe, etc.), and it is assumed no one side will have an undue disadvantage. This neutral setting will incorporate all associated elements for all combatants to operate at maximum efficiency.”
    /
    Right, so there should be ether for the Monado to operate at maximum efficiency. Even if the Monado’s power over universe comes from manipulating ether instead of providence, the neutral setting will allow the Monado III to operate at maximum efficiency.
    /
    “Elemental Compatibility is to allow *similar* powers to function with one another. Psychic powers from one universe work the same as the powers of another universe. Magic powers stemming from genetics can interact with magic powers that come from… ingesting chicken blood.”
    /
    Right, and life force is similar to that of ether.
    /
    “If everyone had mana or chi or something like that in them I’d give EC a swing. But Percy’s universe doesn’t have anything like that. Ether comprises all things in Shulks world, living and dead, “material and immaterial”, the closest thing I could think of is “Mist” and people aren’t made of that like they are of Ether.”
    /
    By the immaterial, they mean things such as the passage of fate.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afy6KOXoIUY#t=110
    The whole universe was in a cycle of destruction and life because Zanza had willed it to be as fate.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rPght7Sorg
    /
    “This does *not* mean every power needs to be adjusted to interact with one another.

    There needs to be something similar to Ether, some sort of magical force that permeates everyone. Ether isn’t physical like atoms are. And atoms are not magical like Ether is.”
    /
    First of all, I’m not saying everything that ether is similar to everything. I’m saying it’s similar to life force or vitality.
    Two, we see ether as solid, liquids, and particles.
    Not some thing like the force from Star Wars.
    /
    “Likewise Ether is certainly not life force if you can get it from things that aren’t alive.”
    /
    What makes you think that life force leaves the body once you die?
    In Zelda Four Swords Adventure, you can collect force gems from dead enemies and they have the force of life in them. Like wise, you can get hearts (heart containers contain life force) from dead enemies which refills your hearts back.
    Remove ether from them, and they die. That sounds like life force to me.
    Heck, the speech with Zanza and Dickson showed that Zanza sucked the life out of Shulk and anyone in the immediate area.
    If that doesn’t sound like life force, I don’t know what does. The only reason why Shulk is alive for the whole game because Zanza served as his life force.
    /
    “There ARE universes with things perfect to be EC with Ether, but I don’t think Percy’s is such a universe.”
    /
    Which won’t matter if Percy has ether or not. The battlefield does.
    /
    “Ah, I figured as much. Ether is called the building block of the universe, atoms are described the exact same way. However, they are not the same thing. Just because Shulk’s universe is made of Ether doesn’t suddenly make them unable to interact with Percy’s universe.
    Which is why I keep referencing mana from Tales games, or the lifestream from FF7, or even chakra from Naruto. I’m hoping you’re familiar with at least one of these so you can see the connection.”
    /
    On the other hand, Ether has shown to be particles
    /
    “Ether is an energy, atoms are not. That’s pretty much the long and short of it.”
    /
    And ether can be particles and physical objects.
    /
    “That said, I don’t mean to imply Shulk can’t fight or effect his enemies. I apologize if that’s how I came across.
    However, his powers revolve around tracking an element specific to his universe- and Percy’s universe doesn’t have a good equivalent for it.”
    /
    Which would be in this neutral battlefield.
    /
    “Atoms? Ether is an energy. The explanation is the only similarity.
    Life energy? Closer, but still no good. Ether is in the environment..
    Mist? We could take that route, but people in Percy’s world aren’t made of Mist like they are of Ether.””
    /
    Considering ether can keep people alive and without it, people die, it sounds like life force to me.
    Then, there’s the fact that we see ether as physical objects and particles.
    /
    “Shulk can use his abilities to manipulate the Ether to protect himself and attack his enemies. He might still have limited precog, I don’t know if he tracks the Ether within the enemies or around them. If it’s the former he won’t have precog, if it’s the latter he will.”
    /
    It uses foresight by precise calculations on ether to tell what’s going to happen in the future.
    /
    “But in either case, without a suitable EC energy source, Shulk can’t just change reality like he does in his game. Can he make shields? Yeah. Cut people with his laser sword? Sure. Throw out energy projectiles? Why not?”
    /
    Yeah he can. The power of the gods is determined by providence.
    In here, we are told that the Monado conceals power.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YEhVPZjgMk#t=1927
    Here, we are told that Meyneth’s Monado has the power of creation.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsOsilNOmD4
    Near the end, we are told that the power you get is determined by providence.
    /
    “But Percy and company don’t have Ether in them, and it doesn’t look like they have a decent substitute. Meaning Shulk can’t just rewrite them with the Monado 3.”
    /
    Assuming the above proof wasn’t there for ether=life force or the power coming from providence, he doesn’t need to rewrite them; he just needs to will the destruction and creation of a new universe which Percy won’t survive unless Shulk wills it.
    /
    Also, I just want to point out one thing.
    If you want to keep going this route, we would have to do this to jedi as well.
    Their precog comes from the force which surrounds everything.
    Their force powers depend on the force being in all things.
    This means EU Revan who killed a planet with a word will be helpless to do anything against normal people with guns because they don’t have the force inside them.

  7. Commander Cross January 27, 2015 at 5:18 pm -      #107

    If I recall right, according to some versions and interpretations, the Children of Hecate/Hekate are said to be ‘Born from’/Created by Magic as a matter of fact, as in literally existing that way with only a Human Soul integrated in by Cosmic Power at work by way of Godly Magic.

    Depending on how it goes, Shulk may or may not be any different from Hecate’s/Hekate’s ‘children’/creations in some respects except for confirming if Divine-Type Cosmic Immortals had a hand in his particular existence or not.

    If that’s indeed the case and we go with the particular take responsible, both Shulk and Percy can pretty much harm one another and all that jazz.
    Especially given that Shulk might be born from Supernatural Circumstances if this is correct.

    The Dot Hack(.Hack) universe has Magi-Technological means mainly by way of Black Box Technology crafted by a Sorcerer, ‘Natural’ Magic is usually a Gift from the Divine in other worlds, BlazBlue and The Irregular At Magic High School have More Magi-technological regards other than that they’re harnessed with Pure Magic in fact, I’m pretty sure there’s more where those stem from if one knows where to look.

    Also, The Tales Games also have various ways Mana can be gained and whatnot, and some of them also have Magi-Technology to add to the mix.

  8. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm -      #108

    @nsl98
    “Honestly, has Shulk got any relevant reaction feats? Otherwise Percy has better reactions and reflexes.”
    /
    Shulk can see the future and Percy isn’t that fast.
    The only time seeing the future didn’t work was when Shulk was facing the mind reading telethia, and that was only temporarily.
    /
    “but we’ve seen what happens when Celestial Bronze or Imperial Gold hit something.”
    /
    I posted a video showing Shulk tanking an electrical slash attack. Is that good enough?
    /
    @Friendly Sociopath
    Forgot to edit this in, but why do you think Shulk is a mary sue?
    He’s not perfect, has made mistakes, and had actions with consequences.
    The only thing that could make him a mary sue is that he became a god.
    I could see him borderlining it, but not 100% Mary Sue. *CoughLinkCough*

  9. nsl98 January 27, 2015 at 5:26 pm -      #109

    I threw it and yelled the command word, TAS (bind)… just as Camper Boy’s bronze blade cut into my wrist.

    My whole arm erupted in agony. My vision tunnelled. Yellow spots danced before my eyes.

    Son of Sobek p. 13

    ——

    Carter is a human that uses magic, gets hurt by Riptide.

    —-

  10. nsl98 January 27, 2015 at 5:43 pm -      #110

    Much thanks to Envoy for posting this in another thread:
    ———

    Speaking of Riptide, here’s a bit from the latest book on Imperial Gold/Celestial Bronze’s effect on mortals.
    “Pain flared in his lower back – so sharp and cold he thought Khione the snow god- dess had touched him.
    Next to his ear, Michael Varus snarled, ‘Born a Roman, die a Roman.’
    The tip of a golden sword jutted through the front of Jason’s shirt, just below his ribcage.
    Jason fell to his knees. Piper’s scream sounded miles away. He felt like he’d been immersed in salty water – his body weight- less, his head swaying.

    He looked at the smoke curling from his bandages. He had worse things to worry about than blood loss. Annabeth was right about Imperial gold. The stuff was deadly to demigods as well as monsters. The wound from Varus’s blade would do its best to eat away at Jason’s life force.”
    -Chapter 4, The Blood of Olympus.
    +

  11. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 5:44 pm -      #111

    “Carter is a human that uses magic, gets hurt by Riptide.”

    Whom gains magic by hosting an immortal.
    Riptide passes right through Rachel without harming her or even her clothes in any way.

    And Jason is a bloody Demigod.

  12. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 5:49 pm -      #112

    Forgot to edit this in, but why do you think Shulk is a mary sue?

    As a rule, most JRPG heroes qualify as Mary Sue status. Maybe not to uber-levels like certain space traveling warriors that shall not be named, but Mary Sue to a point.

    For me, a Mary Sue is a combination of things.
    – Never makes any wrong choices
    – None of his actions have any consequences
    – He can have a pure “lawful good” ideology that somehow never is compromised
    – One or more female characters like him for little to no reason
    – If the rest of the cast/party/group are portrayed as being weak without him
    – Will have at least one generic bad thing happen to him to make you feel bad for them (Death of parents, loved one, destroyed home)

    Please for the love of all that’s holy- are we going to go over Riptide again? Wake me when it’s over, in the meantime I’ll just be sleeping and thinking of massive waves of water forcing themselves upon people.

  13. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 5:54 pm -      #113

    “Please for the love of all that’s holy- are we going to go over Riptide again? Wake me when it’s over, in the meantime I’ll just be sleeping and thinking of massive waves of water forcing themselves upon people.”

    Well nsl98 seems to have forgotten that it was covered to death. Also please explain how giant waves of water will effect a character that is made purely of energy?

  14. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 5:58 pm -      #114

    Uh, btw, I’m looking over the script for the ending of Xenoblade- did Shulk make the new world or did Alvis?

    Here’s the dialogue:
    Claus: We are about to witness to the birth of a universe.
    Alvis: The curiosity of a single man that destroyed the universe…
    Alvis: …and created new one.
    Alvis: A new universe, your world, was born.
    Alvis: And so, two gods came into existence.
    Alvis: As the world advanced…
    Alvis: He wished for world in perpetual cycle of destruction and recreation…
    Alvis: This world is stagnant..
    Alvis: …It has expired.
    Alvis: Therefore I will ask you, its new god…
    Alvis: Will you allow the world to continue to stagnate?
    Shulk: That’s our world
    Alvis: Forgive my presumptuousness.
    Alvis: But I recreated their personalities from your consciousness.
    Alvis: This world has little time remaining if left in this state.
    Alvis: Tell me your decision for the future of this world.
    Shulk: …The future should be decided by each and every person in the world
    Shulk: A world with no gods!

    Shulk tosses away the Monado
    Alvis: Shulk
    Alvis: This new world is boundless
    Alvis: In this world, all life will walk towards the futre
    Shulk: The people of this endless world.


    Well nsl98 seems to have forgotten that it was covered to death. Also please explain how giant waves of water will effect a character that is made purely of energy?

    He’s not made of energy- there’s no proof of that. You have one sentence about building blocks and you’ve stretched that to ridiculous lengths instead of just allowing it to mean energy that is present in everyone.

  15. Commander Cross January 27, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #115

    Carter as noted before is a Magic Knight before he got infused with Horus for the first time, and Rachel Dare sure as Tartarus was no Sorceress Nor Legacy Being for the record there.
    At most the only Enhancement she got of any kind or another was involving The Supernatural Sight in fact, no guarantee in itself that says you’re Harmable to say the least, compared to being Genetically-Altered or winding up a Magic Knight, Space Alien or something.

    Or even being a Being born from/Created by Magic for that matter, I almost want to write Essays on how Shulk be blameless if he ever wants to play with the Lady Aphy’s chest if I ever get bored.

    Somebody has to go there, and I’d rather point out how Rachel Dare isn’t some kind of Infernal Entity either for that matter rather than fall asleep.

  16. nsl98 January 27, 2015 at 6:04 pm -      #116

    See, Carter had magic before hosting Horus, it s in his blood. And why wouldn’t it work on Shulk the same way it works on other members of the supernatural world?

  17. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #117

    “Shulk can manipulate Ether, in his universe everything and everyone is made of the stuff. People, weapons, animals, etc.”

    “It’s energy, not matter.”

    All you, baby!!!

    “See, Carter had magic before hosting Horus”

    Carter is descended from magic knights whom hosted immortals, Celestial bronze has literally one thing in the entire universe that it cant interact with, which is mortals. As stated by……… Centaur man. As proven by its ineffectuality against Rachel. It has literally ONE restriction. and you go out of your way to ignore it.

  18. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #118

    “As a rule, most JRPG heroes qualify as Mary Sue status. Maybe not to uber-levels like certain space traveling warriors that shall not be named, but Mary Sue to a point.”
    /
    Final Fantasy XII?
    Okay, I just want to point out that not all of the cast were Mary Sues.
    /
    “For me, a Mary Sue is a combination of things.”
    /
    Huh, we share the same things we see in a Mary Sue.
    I see some of it in Shulk, but he borderlines it.
    Here are the things in the game that shows he’s mostly not Mary Sue-ish
    /
    “– Never makes any wrong choices”
    /
    Freed Zanza despite Melia saying no.
    /
    “– None of his actions have any consequences”
    /
    Left Colony 9 with only a Reyn which led to them being surrounded a few times and having lives in danger. Reyn would’ve died if it wasn’t for the deux ex machina Monado.
    Freeing Zanza lead to the death of High Entia and a bunch of people.
    He was basically doing everything Zanza wanted.
    /
    “– He can have a pure “lawful good” ideology that somehow never is compromised”
    /
    He was a revenge seeker for the first half of the game.
    Kills Dickson and Zanza.
    /
    “– One or more female characters like him for little to no reason”
    /
    That’s one of the reasons I see Shulk borderlining it.
    Fiora though was his childhood friend.
    /
    “– If the rest of the cast/party/group are portrayed as being weak without him”
    /
    It only comes across Mechons where the cast looked weak and that’s kind of early on.
    Dunban however was shown to actually fight off Telethia and Mechon even after having a wounded arm.
    Reyn was shown fighting off Mechon and saving Shulk’s back a few times from behind.
    Fiora took a giant mech and rammed Metal Face.
    After that, her Mechon body kicked a$$ and had a god in it.
    /
    “Will have at least one generic bad thing happen to him to make you feel bad for them ”
    /
    Another reason why I see some Sue in him.
    Overall, I see some Mary Sue qualities in him, but he’s mostly out of that danger zone but things he has done in the game doesn’t fit the qualities of a Mary Sue.
    /
    Edit:
    “Uh, btw, I’m looking over the script for the ending of Xenoblade- did Shulk make the new world or did Alvis?”
    /
    Alvis is the Monado.

  19. nsl98 January 27, 2015 at 6:22 pm -      #119

    @Ramkin

    Not every one of his relations hosted immortals and not every House of Life Mage has an immortal inside of them. Chiron stated that some mortals weren’t important enough for the blade to hurt. If Shulk got chosen by an all powerful, life altering, universal thing or whatever, that’s pretty important.

  20. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 6:26 pm -      #120

    All you, baby!!!

    Way to misconstrue a point on purpose, cheers. I say the same thing a dozen times and you focus on misinterpreting the one time I said it differently.

    Final Fantasy XII?

    (I hate that game the most out of the entire series)
    Vaan’s kind of the opposite, you can remove him from the story and it will literally change almost nothing.

    Overall, I see some Mary Sue qualities in him, but he’s mostly out of that danger zone but things he has done in the game doesn’t fit the qualities of a Mary Sue.

    It’s not an exact science. There are degrees of how far you can go. He’s not the worst, but he’s far from a truly unique character.

    It only comes across Mechons where the cast looked weak and that’s kind of early on.

    I swear there’s a battle later in the game where it’s the entire party screaming “We need Shulk!” even if you’re beating the crap out of the thing.

    Alvis is the Monado.

    That… is odd. Still, if the Monado just decided to remake the world on its own, there goes the only feat we had of Shulk in God-Mode.

  21. Epicazeroth January 27, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #121

    @Alpha: “Also, I’m pretty sure someone will argue ether to be elementary compatible with life force or vitality.”
    But Ether is magical and makes up all of Shulk’s universe, right? “Life Force” doesn’t make up the entire universe, whereas matter is not magical.

    “If they ARNT elementally compatible then how are the combatants to interact at all?”
    It is assumed that they are compatible enough to interact, or to be manipulated conventionally. It is not assumed that Shulk can manipulate baryonic matter magically, if his universe doesn’t have it.
    ===
    @Ramkin: “Both combatants physical laws have to be elementally compatible for any real debate to happen on any match”
    No. Often one side has something unique to their universe. The physical laws of each side are not always changed to be compatible.

    “Elemental compatability HAS to apply.”
    That’s not how EC actually WORKS.

    “Matter from one universe need to interact with matter from another while keeping their unique qualities, otherwise we can not debate.”
    Correct. The key part being that they keep their own unique qualities. So Shulk can interact with baryonic matter, but cannot manipulate it using his abilities.

    “Magic from WoT and Magic from MTG are almost completely different but for the match to work they have to be able to interact.”
    But that’s the thing. They do interact. But they are not equivalent. I’m not familiar with those so I’ll have to use something else as an example:
    In Dragon Age, there is a way to make mages lose their Magic. This is done by cutting them off from the outside source they use to fuel their magic. However, this would not work on, for example, Jedi. The Force comes from within the user, so that specific aspect of the two systems remains separate.

  22. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 6:33 pm -      #122

    “Chiron stated that some mortals weren’t important enough”

    Nu-uh
    He says that celestial bronze does not hurt mortals because they arent important. Not some. ALL.

    That doesn’t mean that celestial bronze on a case by case business sits down and decides whether or not it will hurt that particular target.

    And EVEN if it does. You do not have the criteria that determines what is important or not.

    “Not every one of his relations hosted immortals”

    You said that he was descended from a Pharaoh? And they defiantly hosted immortals, EVERY SINGLE person EVER hurt by celestial bronze in Percy jackson have some kind of connection to immortality.

  23. Batz January 27, 2015 at 6:41 pm -      #123

    @Everyone
    Alright, here’s how I see the Celestial Bronze thing.
    It can hurt animals, correct? Shulk IS mortal, but he is NOT human. He is a Hom, a species Zanza based off of humans.
    The way I see it, Riptide SHOULD be able to hurt Shulk, but not as severely as it would a demigod or monster.

  24. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 6:44 pm -      #124

    “Way to misconstrue a point on purpose, cheers. I say the same thing a dozen times and you focus on misinterpreting the one time I said it differently”

    So everything is not made of ether? or is ether not energy? I am working from a zero standpoint, i am a closed system, i can only work with what is put in it.

    Ive even said that if somebody would post something to show that your more recent standpoint was accurate, that ether is some kind of energy inside regular matter, then i would drop the issue.

    I’m sorry that you feel i deliberately misconstrued your point but if you haven’t noticed already, i am really dense.

    “Often one side has something unique to their universe. The physical laws of each side are not always changed to be compatible.”

    You dont have to change ANYTHING for elemental compatibility to apply, the rule is very clear, they maintain their unique qualities.

    “That’s not how EC actually WORKS.”

    I dont mean like HAS to HAS to, but that it is really necessary (from my current mis/understanding) to debate properly

  25. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 6:44 pm -      #125

    HE LIVES
    Welcome to BankGambling Batz

    So everything is not made of ether? or is ether not energy?

    Everything can be “made of” Ether and still have other things.
    Humans are “made of” water, and a hundred other things.
    Ether is energy, I even posted links to Shulk using Ether energy to attack *and* the in-game people using Ether as an energy source.

  26. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 6:48 pm -      #126

    “It can hurt animals, correct? Shulk IS mortal, but he is NOT human. He is a Hom, a species Zanza based off of humans.
    The way I see it, Riptide SHOULD be able to hurt Shulk, but not as severely as it would a demigod or monster.”

    I dont think it’s ever hurt an animal……

  27. Commander Cross January 27, 2015 at 6:52 pm -      #127

    @Batz at #123

    We can See You!!!!
    WE CAN FIGHT!!!!!

    *Pulls out Indestructible Sword and Prepares for Fighting, but first notes the following*

    Anyway, did you noted the Gnostic Elements in Xenoblade and Xenoblade Chronicles with the name The Monado being a distinct nod to The Monad of Gnostic Teachings and Principles in fact.

    Learning about Gnostic Teachings is Fun!

  28. Batz January 27, 2015 at 6:52 pm -      #128

    I RISE

    On a side note, I’m trying to make matches for all my Sm4sh mains. This one for Shulk, I suggested a tag-team with Pit versus Panty and Stocking for Dark Pit, but I’m having trouble coming up with matches for Mega Man, Ganondorf, (TP version) and Wario. WAA.

  29. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 6:52 pm -      #129

    “Everything can be “made of” Ether and still have other things.
    Humans are “made of” water, and a hundred other things.
    Ether is energy, I even posted links to Shulk using Ether energy to attack *and* the in-game people using Ether as an energy source.”

    *sigh*… I’m just not seeing it.

    Since i seem to be hindering more than contributing to this debate, think i’m gonna drop out before i get labelled a troll.
    GD,WR.

    P.S

    IF you are gonna make a match for Ganondorf make sure to mention Evils bane in the description. It just makes things easier.

  30. Commander Cross January 27, 2015 at 6:55 pm -      #130

    @Batz at #128

    Least you’re specifying a Ganondorf incarnation but I digress, been years since I played TP to be honest.

    As for A couple of Fire Emblem Warriors, you could consider a Capture the Flag match or two with either Camp Half-Blood Boot Campers or The New Romans if it helps, and as for anyone From Tales vs anyone from CHB, try Flynn Scifo vs Jason of New Rome and see if it don’t help.
    Actually for the latter bit, pit both of the latter two on two different sides against the other with a group of other fighters as well, I can get a list of nominees ready if you like.

    @LadyRamkin at #129

    But you’re not a Troll, nobody ever said you were.
    Let me guess, that’s not the point. :(

  31. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 7:01 pm -      #131

    Mega Man, Ganondorf, (TP version) and Wario.

    Let’s see, someone who those specific people haven’t fought already…
    Mega Man: Depends on if it’s composite or a specific version. Composite Mega Man is more broken than composite Link I believe.
    Ganondorf: He’s been around, a lot, and he needs someone with an evil bane weapon…does he have a match vs Raziel or Kain from Soul Reaver yet?
    Wario: I just don’t know enough about Wario. If I had to make a call I’d just say pit him against Mario and see what happens.

    Since i seem to be hindering more than contributing to this debate, think i’m gonna drop out before i get labelled a troll.

    I don’t think you’re a troll, just a bit misguided.

  32. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 7:06 pm -      #132

    @FriendlySociopath
    “It’s not an exact science. There are degrees of how far you can go. He’s not the worst, but he’s far from a truly unique character.”
    /
    I’m quite aware which is why I said he borderlines it, but I see him having character in him. I guess if Monolith Soft did do some more work on him, he would not have some qualities of it in him.
    Sometimes, I think it has to do more of the circumstances they’re in. Writing isn’t perfect and has set people in position where it seems like they would be Mary Sues.
    Fiora’s…death kind of needed to progress the story along to exploration and story.
    I don’t think there was any other way to save a dying world than to become a god.
    /
    “I swear there’s a battle later in the game where it’s the entire party screaming “We need Shulk!” even if you’re beating the crap out of the thing.”
    /
    Sort of-ish. I guess it depends on how you interpret this scene that happens after the fight.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgERZsyAMWI
    Dickson and Juju do support your point but Dickson was pretty much an arrogant douche who lost some character after the reveal and Juju is…well. Juju. Juju doesn’t really do well (considering the amount of times he’s in trouble) and he has to be saved a lot.
    Dunban and Reyn did say they’re doing well and we do see them fighting off, but we do see fatigue. and Shulk pulling a rescue out of nowhere.
    /
    “That… is odd. Still, if the Monado just decided to remake the world on its own, there goes the only feat we had of Shulk in God-Mode.”
    /
    Eh, the Monado is more or less his standard equipment if that was true.
    Alvis doesn’t really do much against what his wielder do though, so there’s that.

  33. Batz January 27, 2015 at 7:07 pm -      #133

    @Friendly By Mega Man I meant the one in Smash, that is to say Classic Mega Man.
    Maybe the G-Man could fight a Belmont?
    www.mariowiki.com/wario
    This should provide some info on Wario. At the bare minimum, he’s essentially Mario but MUCH stronger. Like, shatters stone with his ass stronger.

  34. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 7:11 pm -      #134

    “But Ether is magical and makes up all of Shulk’s universe, right? “Life Force” doesn’t make up the entire universe, whereas matter is not magical.”
    /
    My post on 105 where it shows ether is life energy and where the Monado has a hidden power within it and gets its power from Providence.
    /
    Batz, you…seem familiar. Or speak like someone I know.
    Have we met before?

  35. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #135

    Maybe the G-Man could fight a Belmont?

    Hmm, not bad, I’d say go for it.

    As for classic Mega Man… yeah, I’ve got nothing.

    Despite it being an offhand, I actually do think Wario vs Mario would be a good debate.

    Alvis doesn’t really do much against what his wielder do though, so there’s that.

    But Alvis is sentient, that’s the thing. If he’s a separate character, that would mean Shulk never demonstrated the knowledge to create a new universe. The Monado could have that amount of power- but Shulk may not know how to use it fully. Alvis seems to outright say he did it without Shulk’s knowledge.
    Although if Alvis *is* the Monado would that mean he’s here as well? I confess, on this issue I have no idea how to proceed.

  36. Batz January 27, 2015 at 7:18 pm -      #136

    “Batz, you…seem familiar. Or speak like someone I know.
    Have we met before?”
    I don’t think so.
    “Hmm, not bad, I’d say go for it.”
    I was thinking perhaps Julius.
    Astro Boy for Mega Man I guess?

  37. Batz January 27, 2015 at 7:19 pm -      #137

    “But Alvis is sentient, that’s the thing. If he’s a separate character, that would mean Shulk never demonstrated the knowledge to create a new universe. The Monado could have that amount of power- but Shulk may not know how to use it fully. Alvis seems to outright say he did it without Shulk’s knowledge.
    Although if Alvis *is* the Monado would that mean he’s here as well? I confess, on this issue I have no idea how to proceed”
    It seems kinda like Maka and Soul.

  38. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 7:31 pm -      #138

    “But Alvis is sentient, that’s the thing. If he’s a separate character, that would mean Shulk never demonstrated the knowledge to create a new universe.”
    /
    I don’t think it’s that. Zanza has done it a bunch of times.
    /
    “The Monado could have that amount of power- but Shulk may not know how to use it fully. Alvis seems to outright say he did it without Shulk’s knowledge.”
    /
    I’m pretty sure Alvis was talking about Shulk’s decision of what he was going to do.
    Continue being a god, set the future, create a new world, and/or throw godhood away.
    /
    “Although if Alvis *is* the Monado would that mean he’s here as well? I confess, on this issue I have no idea how to proceed.”
    /
    I think it’s more similar to the nine-tailed fox except it’s sealed in a sword instead of Naruto and Naruto uses that sword.
    Otherwise, some guys may not be able to use their weapons at all, because it’s sentient.

  39. Epicazeroth January 27, 2015 at 10:37 pm -      #139

    @Ramkin: “I dont think it’s ever hurt an animal”
    It hurt werewolves, but they’re magic.
    ===
    @Batz: “It seems kinda like Maka and Soul.”
    YES. Someone else knows SE!
    ===
    Wouldn’t Celestial Bronze have hurt Carter because he’s magic?

  40. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 10:46 pm -      #140

    YES. Someone else knows SE!

    Quite a few people around here are familiar with Soul Eater I think, they’ve got a few matches. The last one I remember was SE universe VS Kill la Kill universe.

    Silly edit button

  41. Commander Cross January 28, 2015 at 6:23 pm -      #141

    Any further news on what Shulk brings to the table for the first two rounds, or do I have to contemplate making art requests involving Shulk grabbing the Lady Aphy’s chest or winding up crying on her chest for whatever motif or reason going on?

    I’m semi-serious when I noted I wouldn’t blame Shulk for doing that, more emphasis on Serious than the ‘Semi’ bit though.

    —-

    Still seriously speaking, the showings on the Monado 3/III are most likely shared and since whatever is bound in that Sword is with Shulk, it’s fine.

    It’s like the Infinity 8 with how a lot of the fractions of the Phase Monsters’ powers were embedded in some of the weapons they’d carry on them all over again, or how Fi from Skyward Sword is bound to the Master Sword for that matter.
    Difference from the former is that it’s The Whole Being in a weapon rather than fragments, and the difference with the latter is that I can’t remember how powerful Fi truly was, next to the 3 Golden Goddesses although I’d know the 3 Golden Goddesses be more powerful but I just forgotten by how much.

  42. Epicazeroth January 28, 2015 at 8:05 pm -      #142

    @Friendly: “Quite a few people around here are familiar with Soul Eater I think”
    In retrospect, that makes sense. I just don’t think I’ve ever heard it mentioned here before.

  43. Friendlysociopath January 28, 2015 at 8:31 pm -      #143

    I just don’t think I’ve ever heard it mentioned here before.

    Let’s see, I haven’t been around here as long as most of you but I know Mifune had a match, I know Stein had a match, I think Maka+Soul had a match (plus I included them in my ultimate showdown scenario- still working on that fanfiction btw, I hit episode 6 recently) and there was a match between the SE universe and Kill la Kill.

    Any further news on what Shulk brings to the table for the first two rounds, or do I have to contemplate making art requests involving Shulk grabbing the Lady Aphy’s chest or winding up crying on her chest for whatever motif or reason going on?

    Shulk’s pretty strong, decently tanky, can create a shield, has a laser extension in his sword and should have precog. I don’t think he has much in the way of speed feats though.
    That said, pretty sure Percy and company take rounds 1 and 2. If I sound cocky then I apologize (not saying I’m sorry necessarily) but I am a cocky little pustule if I do say so myself, and I do.
    His precog varies in its time affected, normally a few seconds at most. It also tends to be very one-shot in its foresight, it’s not like the Spider sense in the idea it’s always going. It’ll usually focus on one big move or event.
    And it won’t save him from tidal waves that actively try to drown him- he’s got no counter for that beyond trying to blitz Percy.
    Round 2- barring completely unexpected powers from Shulk’s allies, will most likely fall the same way as round 1.

  44. Batz January 28, 2015 at 10:32 pm -      #144

    Well then, time to get started. I’ll begin with what I know on the Monado Artes.
    Monado Buster extends the blade of the Monado to be ten meters in length.
    Enchant lets regular weapons hurt Mechon and slightly boosts strength.
    Shield will block an enemy’s special abilities.
    Speed greatly boosts the speed of Shulk and his allies for around 13 seconds.
    [youtube www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wm-EN5JWk4&w=560&h=315 This cutscene suggests it forces attacks to be dodged automatically.
    Purge is a projectile with a range of twenty meters that seals the Auras of enemies it hits.
    Eater has a range of 15 meters in a frontal cone. It removes any buffs enemies has and causes bleeding.
    Armour reduces force behind enemy attacks by 75% for 15 seconds.
    Cyclone summons a column of energy with a 20 meter diameter under the targeted enemy.

  45. Batz January 28, 2015 at 10:37 pm -      #145

    Jump increases how high Shulk can jump and his aerial speed, but lowers his durability.
    Speed Beta raises his speed but weakens his attacks.
    Shield Beta raises his durability but slows him down.
    Buster Beta strengthens his attacks but lowers how much they knock back enemies. Good for combos.
    Smash raises his knockback for and against attacks but weakens them.

  46. Batz January 28, 2015 at 11:19 pm -      #146

    Hey, I got another match idea. Does Goku vs King Dedede seem remotely fair to anyone?

    Sorry for triple post.

  47. Friendlysociopath January 28, 2015 at 11:33 pm -      #147

    Does Goku vs King Dedede seem remotely fair to anyone?

    Uhhh, no, no it does not. Goku vs Kirby with cartoon feats being accepted could be fun.

    Sorry for triple post.

    To be fair, two of those were things you said already but were trapped in moderation hell for some time.

  48. Commander Cross January 28, 2015 at 11:59 pm -      #148

    @Batz at #145

    Speed Beta amps up Shulk’s Casual Combat Speed to be closer to Percy’s, but dishes out less long-run damage to Percy, Buster may go against how much damage Regular Un-enhanced Percy can take in if Percy don’t parry, counter away or dodge first, Shulk’s best bet with Smash Beta is to go and keep it as Mid-Ranged as possible because Long Range is asking for Trouble.
    I’ve no idea how long Shield Beta’s defenses will hold out against what End-Game Percy may dish out, for all I’d know ‘Regular’ Percy might be Too Low, Styx-Enhanced End-Game Percy might be Too High despite the obvious Stamina weaknesses.(Assuming it’s not a Rainy Day or a Watery location we’re talking, in which case ignore the issues if Shulk can’t deal with Stormy Weather Without The Monado 3/III+ in play.)

    I wonder if Shulk’s some kind of Magic Knight in fact, I know Carter Kane is one obviously without Infusing with Divine-type Cosmic Immortals.

    —-

    As for #146

    What about either Percy or Carter Kane vs Shulk vs Sayaka Miki from Madoka Magica if we’re talking Pre-Rebellion but still allow In-Game and Manga Feats available, I’m quite sure Sayaka will hold out fine.
    We can add Tanith Low from The World of Skulduggery Pleasant(by Derek Landy) as well if you’re all up for it, Weapon-to-Weapon never hurts.

  49. Xornell January 29, 2015 at 12:33 am -      #149

    BACKSLASH! I’M REALLY FEELING IT! BACKSLASH! BACKSLASH!

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