Shulk Vs The Percy Jackson Universe

Shulk Vs The Percy Jackson universe.

Suggested by Batz

Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles, first appearance of the franchise here), who made his first appearance here, is going up against The Percy Jackson universe. The match consists of three rounds.
Round 1: Shulk vs Percy in a one on one fight.
Round 2: Shulk vs Percy, Annabeth, and Jason. Shulk has Dunban and Riki for assistance.
Round 3: Shulk vs the Olympians in a test of endurance. He begins with the youngest and works his way up to Zeus. He has 15 minutes to rest between fights.
For Rounds 1 and 2, Shulk is equipped with the Monado II. For Round 3, he is equipped with the Monado III.

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149 Comments on "Shulk Vs The Percy Jackson Universe"

  1. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 7:06 am -      #1

    I’ll start with round 1, and get to the other ones later.
    ——–/-

    As was covered in PJ vs Link, Percy is a bullet timer with tank – round dodging feats as well. He hits with a decent amount of force and can do a sort of blood vessel rupturing …thing.

  2. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 7:14 am -      #2

    ” Percy is a bullet timer”

    That was contested on aim dodging grounds and inconsistency with the rest of the series. Not however disproven.

    “Shulk vs the Olympians ”

    Really? Is there even a remote chance that he can stand up to any of them without being turned into a dolphin? If so Shulk takes round 1 and 2 with ease.

    And I don’t want any of this, “Percy fought Ares” business. Ares was not taking that fight even remotely seriously and was prevented from continuing before he could. Also just Looking at the gods true forms kills most people, Jason is the only one to ever survive. (as far as I know)

    Not being familiar at all with Shulk or his powers I cant really say any more on the subject.

    separate note, I have completely forgotten how to suggest a match, and am apparently an imbecile. Can anybody help me out?

  3. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 8:36 am -      #3

    separate note, I have completely forgotten how to suggest a match, and am apparently an imbecile. Can anybody help me out?

    The hyperlink that says Battle Requests, click it.
    Or go onto the BankGambling topia and see if you can gather some support for your match.

    Alright, Round 3 is just not going to end in a win for Shulk. I know the Monado 3 makes him a “God” but we literally see him do one thing in this form and its him restarting his universe.

    A Shulk supporter would need to clarify, but from what I remember when he was in a RPG battle royal I hosted- Shulk’s Monado gives him several abilities:
    All of his abilities are grounded in beings and the world being made of ‘Ether’
    Limited precog: The Monado can give its wielder foresight when he or a party member is about to take tremendous damage.
    Shield: Shulk can create a shield to block hostile attacks. This shield would appear to be based on his own strength since the enemy skill value cannot exceed Shulk’s or the shield will not work.
    And it has various forms of attacking, some cause the enemies to bleed (a given here) and some extend its range.

    The Monado works by changing the ‘Ether’ around it. ‘Ether’ is the building block of that entire universe, everything is made of it. Shulk can see the future by the Monado being able to see where the Ether particles were, are, and will be.

    Never actually played the game mind you, but that’s what I was being told for the tournament. If someone who plays the games could correct me if I’m wrong.

  4. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 8:57 am -      #4

    @Ramkin

    The only person that contested it was you. And it is consistent. Consistently, throughout the whole series , Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod.

  5. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 10:33 am -      #5

    “The only person that contested it was you”

    Therefore it was contested, and there were only like 5 people debating it maximum, therefore a whole 5th of the debaters were not convinced.

    “Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod”

    Quotes or it never happened

    And it is consistent

    No it’s not, If Percy is a bullet timer then EVERY time he is hit by an enemy that moves faster than he can react Then that enemy is moving faster than a bullet. If that is the case then you would have to scale every monster in Percy Jackson around that and then by default every demigod, Nothing in those books would indicate that all of those characters are bullet timers.

    Jason had problems with flintlock guns. And those bullets are super slow compared to the bullets you are trying to say Percy reacted to.

    That feat, IF it is even a bullet timing feat is an outlier. At best and giving it to him is a disingenuous representation of his character.

  6. Commander Cross January 26, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #6

    For Side B naming, why didn’t he just go with the Camp Half-blood Project again?
    It’s like me going for Mekaku City Actors when the World that show takes place in happens to be the Kagerou Project all over again. -___-‘

    Either way, is Percy River-Styx Enhanced for both fights and does he get the Multi-Vitamins at least?

    I can imagine Round 01 being a Super Smash Bros-style smackdown if done right, but if I recall well, Shulk has Combat Precog.

    As for Round 03 with just the descriptions alone… :lol:

    Be it the 12-13 Major Gods alone or the More Moderate or Minor Gods, not all of the list are as ‘young’ as they look.

    I would totally understand if someone be thinking either Total Composite Ganondorf or his ‘Father’/Creator from Skyward Sword for a fight like that, but what does Shulk got that allows him to go in Round 03?
    Tell me it’s a case of Unkillability/Nigh-Unkillability or a Battlefield Removal Button or two ready.

  7. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 11:12 am -      #7

    @Ramkin
    It did happen.

    —-

    Nico twisted his silver skull ring. “Percy is the most powerful demigod I’ve ever met. No offense to you guys, but it’s true.”

    Mark of Athena p. 572

    ———

    Until that morning, her brother Nico had been the most powerful demigod she knew.”……”
    Then she had met Percy.

    Son of Neptune p. 61

    ——-

    Even though he was beat up, dirty, and stooped with exhaustion, he’d had an aura of power.

    Son of Neptune p. 61

    ——-

    “Is he dangerous?” She asked.
    Nico managed a dry smile. “Very. To his enemies.”

    Son of Neptune p. 68

    ——-

    And the way Percy had controlled the Little Tiber-wow. Frank wished he had powers like that.

    Son of Neptune p. 105

    ——-

    “It is beneath me to deal with gnats such as yourself. “…….” you have proven surpringly resilient,” Tartarus said.

    House of Hades p. 474

  8. pimpmage January 26, 2015 at 11:36 am -      #8

    All those quotes tell us literally nothing.

  9. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 11:41 am -      #9

    All those quotes tell us literally nothing.

    If you read the actual thread you’d see Ramkin asked for those exact quotes.
    They also literally tell you everyone considers Percy the strongest demigod, which was the point.

    Probably the biggest question is whether Shulk’s precog can come into play.
    It’s very specifically geared to everyone and everything in his world being made of ‘Ether’. His precog grants him the power to see where the ‘Ether’ has been and will be, meaning if his target has no Ether or something Elementally Compatible to Ether, Shulk actually loses his precog to receive “visions” of what his enemy will do.

    I’m going to wait for Shulk support to emerge before trying to go too much further in regards to Shulk.

  10. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 11:42 am -      #10

    Rankin asked for quotes that Percy was more powerful than the other demigods.

  11. Ragnorke January 26, 2015 at 12:11 pm -      #11

    Can I see the bullet timing feat please?
    I’d go with aim dodging too unless the specific scenario makes it clear that it’s not.

  12. pimpmage January 26, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #12

    That can be proved with feats not words. I really didn’t expect that.

  13. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #13

    And I charged.
    The first skeleton fired. Time slowed down. I won’t say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path, the same way I felt currents in the ocean. I deflected it off the edge of my blade and kept charging.


    Ramkin’s main disbelief is that other demigods do not show the same abilities as Percy (At least I think that’s his main problem, feel free to correct me). However, Percy is the best of the demigods so others not being able to replicate his feats is expected.

    Btw, is there anything else anyone wants me to grab while I have the respect thread open?

  14. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 12:13 pm -      #14

    The first skeleton fired. Time slowed down. I won’t say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path, the same way I felt water currents in the ocean. I deflected it off the edge of my blade and kept charging.
    Titans Curse p. 170

    ——-

    @Pimage

    Except Ramkin specifically asked for quotes of people stating Percy was powerful.

    ——-

    @Friendly

    I would like to see the respect thread. Is it for Shulk?

  15. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 12:22 pm -      #15

    No, for Percy.

    www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ehzum/percy_jackson/

    It’s very organized and has quotes so I like it a lot.

    I would like to see the respect thread. Is it for Shulk?

    Having a difficult time finding a Shulk thread that ISN’T SSB4 related. And if/when I do I may not understand what they’re actually saying because I haven’t played the game.

  16. Xornell January 26, 2015 at 12:25 pm -      #16

    Backslash! Backslash! Backslash! Backslash!

    “No it’s not, If Percy is a bullet timer then EVERY time he is hit by an enemy that moves faster than he can react Then that enemy is moving faster than a bullet. If that is the case then you would have to scale every monster in Percy Jackson around that and then by default every demigod, Nothing in those books would indicate that all of those characters are bullet timers.”

    This is actually not true. I don’t know if Percy’s a bullet timer or not, but being hit by slower enemies regularly doesn’t mean the character isn’t fast. These are merely lowshowings. Otherwise Superman is about as fast as a regular dude, since he’s been hit by Luthor before. But the fact that he’s flown across the galaxy before shows us that he’s definitely not normal dude speed.

    Anyway, Backslash! Backslash! Backslash! Backslash!

  17. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 12:27 pm -      #17

    @Friendly

    The SSB4 threads are probably all “I’m really feeling it!, It’s Shulk time!, Speed Monado!, fair/ nair spacing, shirtless Shulk is bae, backslash! etc.

    ——

    @Ragnorke

    If it helps, Percy was charging towards the shooter and then he shot.

  18. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm -      #18

    ““Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod”

    Quotes or it never happened””
    ——
    That is what actually transpired.

    “”Nico twisted his silver skull ring. “Percy is the most powerful demigod I’ve ever met. No offense to you guys, but it’s true.””

    So most powerful Nico ever met not actually most powerful ever

    “Until that morning, her brother Nico had been the most powerful demigod she knew.”……”
    Then she had met Percy.”

    So most powerful Hazel ever met not actually most powerful ever

    “Even though he was beat up, dirty, and stooped with exhaustion, he’d had an aura of power.”

    So what? Can you even prove that that is a literal aura or simply his bearing?

    ““Is he dangerous?” She asked.
    Nico managed a dry smile. “Very. To his enemies.””

    What demigods are not dangerous to their enemies?
    —-
    “And the way Percy had controlled the Little Tiber-wow. Frank wished he had powers like that.”

    So frank wants cool powers too.

    “It is beneath me to deal with gnats such as yourself. “…….” you have proven surpringly resilient,” Tartarus said.”

    Okay, so he and Annabeth were not killed by minions.

    I will remind you that your exact wording was “Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod” None of your quotes even come close to proving that.

    “It’s very specifically geared to everyone and everything in his world being made of ‘Ether’. ”

    Wouldn’t ether be elementally compatible with atoms If EVERYTHING in his universe is made of it?

    “Ramkin’s main disbelief is that other demigods do not show the same abilities as Percy (At least I think that’s his main problem, feel free to correct me)”

    That and the way the scene plays out doesn’t scream bullet timing to me. I feel that getting bullet timing from that is a massive stretch on your part. But now we are entering Rand vs Hazama territory and i want nothing to do with it.

  19. pimpmage January 26, 2015 at 12:36 pm -      #19

    If you are searching for something but want to filter out certain things, just include -ssb in the search to take any pages with that term out of the results.

  20. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 12:40 pm -      #20

    In regards to post #18

    You’re downplaying everything just to fit your idea- and you’re not doing it right.

    I will remind you that your exact wording was “Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod” None of your quotes even come close to proving that.

    Yes they do Ramkin.
    When you have a specific group of people acknowledged as the strongest group- and members of that group say one specific member is the strongest out of all of them- that makes said specific member the strongest.

    Wouldn’t ether be elementally compatible with atoms?

    I wouldn’t think so, atoms aren’t magical at all. I’m thinking maybe characters from universes that have the “everything is made of mana” or something like that could work- but I don’t think the demigods have anything like that.

  21. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 12:48 pm -      #21

    “I won’t say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path”

    He couldn’t see the bullet, his reactions/perception, whatever could not track the bullet through the air, but he could “feel its path” So he knew where the bullet was going to be and interceded it, that is either advanced ADHD aim dodging, which would make sense since that is what ADHD is for in his universe or some kind of minor precog.

    “You’re downplaying everything”

    No, he specifically said that Percy was stated to be the strongest demigod. Those quote say nothing of the sort, he is stronger than his friends. Nico and Hazel say he is the strongest demigod they have ever met. But can you confirm that they have met EVERY demigod? That there isnt one alive somewhere that grew up in isolation? Percy is an exceptional demigod but nsl98’s statement that he is “stated to be the strongest” is not true, hence why i asked for a quote.

  22. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 12:52 pm -      #22

    “You’re downplaying everything”

    No, he specifically said that Percy was stated to be the strongest demigod. Those quote say nothing of the sort, he is stronger than his friends. Nico and Hazel say he is the strongest demigod they have ever met. But can you confirm that they have met EVERY demigod? That there isnt one alive somewhere that grew up in isolation? Percy is an exceptional demigod but nsl98’s statement that he is “stated to be the strongest” is not true, hence why i asked for a quote.

  23. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #23

    Oy, I thought you said you didn’t want to do this all over again?

    ADHD only lets the demigods keep track of a lot of things at once without actually compromising their concentration on battle.
    It’s Percy’s fighting skill that let’s him notice patterns in the enemy fighting style. It’s not precog, it’s Percy being a good swordsman.

    But can you confirm that they have met EVERY demigod? That there isnt one alive somewhere that grew up in isolation?

    Fine, aside from characters that as of yet do not exist in the series, Percy is the strongest.
    And you read the books- you know children of Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades and the strongest demigods- and the strongest of them all is Percy, so says the son of Hades and people who have met the son and daughter of Zeus.

  24. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 1:04 pm -      #24

    “Oy, I thought you said you didn’t want to do this all over again?”

    I really don’t, but i am a slave to my compulsive tendencies… It makes life so difficult

    “and the strongest of them all is Percy”

    Look. Im not actually arguing against that (I haven’t actually yet, but i might in a minuet). From simple observation you can deduce that Percy is one of the strongest if not the strongest. BUT nsl98 claimed that it was “stated” as if an actual canon statement had been made that, that was the case. Which is not true. I really am just arguing semantics.

    BUT i don’t explicitly remember Percy being stronger than Jason, I thought they tied at everything???? I definitely remember Percy having some Jason envy.

    “ADHD only lets the demigods keep track of a lot of things at once without actually compromising their concentration on battle.
    It’s Percy’s fighting skill that let’s him notice patterns in the enemy fighting style. It’s not precog, it’s Percy being a good swordsman.”

    I didn’t mean that his ADHD was akin to precog but that from the supposed bullet timing scene Either his ADHD hyper awareness OR some kind of minor precog are more likely feats.

  25. Commander Cross January 26, 2015 at 1:18 pm -      #25

    Strongest ‘Modern-day’ Demigod they might have met, nobody factored in regards to the likes of Herakles/Hercules, Dionysus, Aeneas of Troy or Asclepius back at their days.
    Also Achilles too, who bathed in the River Styx before Percy did and had first-hand experience of his Psychological Profile being compromised when he was a baby.

    Also at least the first 3 are noted to be Legacy Beings long before they were Half-Mortals, the first two from High King Zeus recycling his Genetics, and the third one was just a Legacy being of Zeus from his father Anchises’ side(by way of Dardanus, a Son of Zeus whose mother was a Pleiade, and he may as well be Western European.) and that’s without factoring how the Lady Aphy’s the mother of the third one, and Asclepius is a very Powerful Healer even for his time but he got killed because the Resurrection Knowledge would wind up in Enemy Hands if he didn’t die.

    I’ve read an Entire Encyclopedia of Myths, Legends and Lore, be it of Abrahamic(Judaic, Christian or Islamic) or Vedic Texts, quite a few times over, someone has to remember the list if they also read The Aeneid around here.

    Even then, Some of the Knights of the Round Table were said to be Legacy Beings in their own right, and no doubt they’d hit harder than a lot of the Boot Campers individually, dealing with Modern-day Guns might be a ‘new’ thing for them but they’ve fought worse odds.

    Hyper-Awareness and some kind of Minor Precog are also equally possible to add to that list come to think of it.

  26. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 1:34 pm -      #26

    BUT i don’t explicitly remember Percy being stronger than Jason, I thought they tied at everything???? I definitely remember Percy having some Jason envy.

    Hazel says Percy is the strongest she’s ever met- and she’s met Jason.

  27. Warlock Lowk January 26, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #27

    “Hazel says Percy is the strongest she’s ever met- and she’s met Jason.”

    And Thor calls his dad omnipotent. Just sayin.

  28. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 1:41 pm -      #28

    “Hazel says Percy is the strongest she’s ever met- and she’s met Jason.”

    Not at the time she said that, she arrived after Jason had been sent to camp half-blood.

  29. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 2:33 pm -      #29

    Except Percy has legit feats and abilities that put him above the other demigods in the Seven. The only one that comes close is Jason, and even then the most he has is *probably* tying him in skill. I can however, confidently say that Jason has Percy beat in durability, on account of him tanking Dylan and Zeus’ lightning.

  30. Ragnorke January 26, 2015 at 2:36 pm -      #30

    “And I charged.
    The first skeleton fired. Time slowed down. I won’t say I could see the bullet, but I could feel its path, the same way I felt currents in the ocean. I deflected it off the edge of my blade and kept charging.”

    He specifically says he couldn’t see the bullet… That clearly means his reaction isn’t fast enough for his eyes to process it.
    It’s his magic providing him with some form of awareness (very similar to Richard Rahl from Sword of Truth)

  31. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 2:51 pm -      #31

    Quick question in case this becomes irrelevant- can the other characters from Shulk’s game do anything special?

    I’ve read that Shulk is very Mary Sue in that his party is largely unimportant to the story like most JRPGs- if they’re just mook fighters round 2 goes to Percy’s team and 3 is wanton slaughter against Shulk.

    Shulk’s Monado 3 has one feat with him using it, which was him recreating his world without Gods (including him, but optimal battle incarnation and all that).

  32. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 2:53 pm -      #32

    So he deflects a bullet off his sword, while running towards said bullet, after it was fired. And he couldn’t see it.
    ———-
    Just because you can sense something, doesn’t necessarily mean you can react to it. Percy is fast enough with his hands to move his sword to block the bullet after he sensed it.


    That’s bullet timing. Reacting to a bullet. The fact that he couldn’t see it makes it more impressive in my opinion.

  33. Ragnorke January 26, 2015 at 3:20 pm -      #33

    “Percy is fast enough with his hands to move his sword to block the bullet after he sensed it.”

    To be fair, we don’t know where the sword was to begin with.
    He may have just needed to readjust it slightly.

    “That’s bullet timing. Reacting to a bullet.”

    It is bullet timing, since he reacted to it.
    But his senses couldn’t keep up. His magic gave him awareness of the bullets trajectory.
    Would it still work against characters? who make on the spot decisions, and have no blatantly obvious trajectories which their attacks follow?

    “The fact that he couldn’t see it makes it more impressive in my opinion.”

    It factually makes it worse.

  34. Sauroposeidon January 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #34

    At a high enough velocity, ten books should be fully capable of defeated Shulk. I vote The Percy Jackson collection.

  35. Batz January 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #35

    OP here. A few things I wanna get out of the way before we hit 50 posts.
    1. Shulk is able to use the Sm4sh versions of his artes.
    2. Polymorphing is not allowed in Round 3. The Olympians cannot use their “true forms”. Other self transformations are still viable.
    3. If you guys wanna change Shulk’s partners in Round 2, I am fine with this.

    (first post btw.)
    I can also provide information on the Xenoblade characters if necessary.

  36. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #36

    It was dark, and he was charging towards the dude that had the gun. The skeleton fired, and Percy deflected his shot. Bullet Timing.

    ——-

    “It factually makes it worse.”

    Plz explain (I’m being serious)

    ——-

    @Sauro

    There’s actually more side books as well.

  37. Ragnorke January 26, 2015 at 4:13 pm -      #37

    if it was actually dark, you should post that. It makes a massive difference to how we should interpret that statement.

  38. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 4:18 pm -      #38

    Plz explain (I’m being serious)

    Since he didn’t see the bullet- that means his reaction time isn’t high enough to see bullets without his magic abilities. It lessens his physical prowess because it specifically required his extra powers.

    Still, responding to a bullet in-flight and reaching the shooter before they can fire a second shot (I believe it was a handgun) is pretty decent for a feat. He also chops down another nearby skeleton before it can fire at all.

    Drat it all, I’m trying to wait for the OP or a Shulk supporter to show up before 50 so we can make changes if desired.

  39. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 4:30 pm -      #39

    Ok, false alarm people. It wasn’t dark, I was wrong.

    —–

    Anyway, where do Percy’s reactions sit as of now? We might have to look at some of his old fights where the bullet timing feat was brought up.

  40. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 4:32 pm -      #40

    “At a high enough velocity, ten books should be fully capable of defeated Shulk. I vote The Percy Jackson collection.”

    +1

    I said close enough to the same thing about the bullet timing thing as Ragnorke in Percy vs link and you guys totally steam rolled me. I am going to pretend to be slightly hurt about that.

    I am slightly hurt about that

  41. Batz January 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm -      #41

    @Friendlysociopath
    I MADE a post earlier, but several hours later, my comment is STILL awaiting moderation.

  42. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 4:47 pm -      #42

    I said close enough to the same thing about the bullet timing thing as Ragnorke in Percy vs link and you guys totally steam rolled me. I am going to pretend to be slightly hurt about that.

    To be fair, your “close” was a heck of a lot of things, you literally went at every feat presented with every possible angle you could to disprove it.

    And my response to Rag is the same as my response to you- “close enough”.
    Order of events:
    1) Percy charges
    2) Bullet fires
    3) Percy discovers path of bullet
    4) Percy deflects bullet
    5) Percy cuts down the shooter before it can fire again.
    Considering that particular enemy had a handgun this is decently impressive when you think about it. He also cuts down a different enemy afterwords before it can use its gun at all.

    The end result is the same, it’s still bullet-timing reflexes, if only barely. For it to be aim-dodging Percy would need to be dodging or moving to block before the bullet fired and he must know where it’s going before said firing.
    Percy instead does all of this after the bullet is fired, meaning he could accelerate his arms at high enough speeds to block the bullet after it was fired.

    As for this:
    To be fair, we don’t know where the sword was to begin with.
    He may have just needed to readjust it slightly.


    We have no worldly idea where the bullet was aiming and you know that. Or where Percy’s sword was as he was running.

    Would it still work against characters? who make on the spot decisions, and have no blatantly obvious trajectories which their attacks follow?

    Yes and yes. There was nothing special about that enemy or weapon that would’ve enhanced Percy.

  43. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 4:53 pm -      #43

    @Ramkin

    Sorry you feel that way bro. When you brought it up, I legit thought about agreeing, but then I just put it in the back of my mind.

    ——

    Since then, my acceptance has slowly crumbled, but now it’s being brought back up again. No hard feelings?

    ——

    Off topic, anyone play the new Smash? Shulk reminded me.

  44. Ragnorke January 26, 2015 at 5:30 pm -      #44

    “Yes and yes. There was nothing special about that enemy or weapon that would’ve enhanced Percy.”

    You misunderstand me.
    Bullets move in a predictable trajectory. Every time. No ifs or buts (Unless you’re from Wanted).

    His magic could have given him the awareness of a bullet coming his way, and thus it was a predictable block.
    It wasn’t dark, and thus he could see the gun and the direction the bullet was coming from.

    But how effective would that same magic be against an enemy that moves each limb in an unpredictable fashion?

    Richard Rahl forexample, proved his magic awareness’s ability by killing 30 swordsmen simultaneously without getting a scratch.
    So far Percys doesn’t seem on par.

    However, as far as physical prowess goes (isolated limb acceleration), Percy seems faster than Richard.
    Get what i mean?

  45. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 5:56 pm -      #45

    “you literally went at every feat presented with every possible angle you could to disprove it.”

    And you went out of your way to add way more significance to every quote than it deserved. Which i assume is how we reached the somewhat fair conclusion we did.

    No hard feelings?

    None what so ever

    “Off topic, anyone play the new Smash?”

    Yes, not fond of Samus being her OIther M incarnation, since I despise that game with every ounce of my being. but I mainly play as Toon Link, Lucina and Ness.

    So, Shulk’s powers only work because of the specific physical laws of his universe? as in only because his universe is made of ether?

    Im all for elemental compatibility between physical laws of the combatants universes. I dont really see how any debate can take place without it TBH.

  46. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 6:00 pm -      #46

    Shulk takes round 3.
    In the end, he recreates the universe into the way we know it and removes the Monado, a universal level item from existence.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=len8pKwzjS0#t=78
    Blocks a blow from a giant Mechon.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDX6s0ZGbfA#t=525
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Ov2yOLHt8
    Survives a massive fall.

  47. Epicazeroth January 26, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #47

    Well, this looks interesting. But, one part of the OP is unclear.
    1) Is this Greek or Roman incarnations of the Olympians? It doesn’t change their abilities much, but it vastly changes some of their personalities.
    2) Zeus is not the oldest Olympian. How are they working from the youngest to him? He’s like directly in the middle in terms of age.
    ===
    @nsl: “Consistently, throughout the whole series, Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod.”
    Maybe; it could be Thalia or Jason. If Percy is actually more powerful than them, it’s not by much, but I’m pretty sure Percy and Jason were supposed to be about even.

    “on account of him tanking Dylan and Zeus’ lightning.”
    Jason is Jupiter’s son. He should already have enhanced durability in regards to electricity. Just like Percy doesn’t actually have the durability to withstand deep-sea pressures; he has innate magic that makes water not touch him.
    ===
    @Friendly: That quote is directly after he reemerges from the River Styx. He had literally just received one of the strongest power-ups a demigod can receive.
    ===
    @Ramkin: “None of your quotes even come close to proving that.”
    Nico has gone to both Camps, and met almost literally every demigod in existence. Even if he hasn’t met them, he’d have been close enough to sense their auras. So, he’s qualified to make the judgement.

    “That there isnt one alive somewhere that grew up in isolation?”
    Demigods that don’t get to a Camp by their teens invariably get tracked down by monsters and killed.
    ===
    @Cross: “Strongest ‘Modern-day’ Demigod they might have met”
    Well, the others are all dead. Heracles and Dionysus are actually Gods at the time of the books. And technically, Thetis is a nymph.
    ===
    @Rag: “if it was actually dark, you should post that.”
    It was also literally directly after he came out of the Styx.

  48. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 6:01 pm -      #48

    Get what i mean?

    I’m pretty sure I do. A few points then:

    1) In the “Sea of Monsters” (the book the feat takes place in) that is the first time Percy encounters enemies that use guns on him in combat. Sure, everyone knows guns shoot forwards- but that’s about all he’s got.

    2) [The wording of that passage is strange, so interpretation happens]
    Percy doesn’t have “magic”. He can manipulate water and wind and a variety of other things, but he can’t see into the future. His only powers that aren’t under some manner of “kinesis” is his ADHD and his training.
    The slowing down of time seems more akin to an adrenaline rush, he doesn’t have any manner of power to detect where a bullet would be going.

    3) But how effective would that same magic be against an enemy that moves each limb in an unpredictable fashion?

    Much of Percy’s physical strength is his universes “ADHD” plus his good swordsmanship.
    In their universe, Demigods have ADHD- but instead of making it hard to concentrate on something, it allows them to keep equal focus on many different things even while in combat.
    Percy uses this to watch every inch of his opponent in battle, watching how their muscles tense and where their eyes look- you know the drill.
    Thus, Percy becomes able to understand his opponent’s fighting style within seconds of battle, essentially allowing him a limited form of precog where his opponent is concerned. But there is no magic involved, it’s solely physical.

    It was also literally directly after he came out of the Styx.

    The bullet feat? No? That’s book 2, long before the Curse.

  49. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 6:04 pm -      #49

    Percy doesn’t use magic. His water powers are inherited.
    ——–
    Every Demigod has some form of combat awareness, or ADHD as it is called in the PJ verse. It like Jedi w/ pre-cog or whatever. Everyone has it, Percy’s is just superior to the other demigods.

    ——-

    THE BULLET feat is in Book 3, Titans Curse. I literally said, Titans Curse, p. 170

  50. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #50

    “Nico has gone to both Camps, and met almost literally every demigod in existence. Even if he hasn’t met them, he’d have been close enough to sense their auras. So, he’s qualified to make the judgement.”

    There is an entire city in the Roman camp full of demi gods just going about their daily lives i seriously doubt Nico met them all or was even physically close to most of them. Then there are the demigods who are just out in the world, like the guy with the plane, that they meet after going to franks house. There are Roman demigods everywhere. Nico’s general opinion cannot be taken as fact.

    Im not saying that the conclusion is faulty just that the source is unreliable. Which would tend to make the conclusion unreliable… damn I am bad at metaphors

  51. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #51

    Erp, time to eat some humble pie- the bullet feat is in book 3, not 2. And it’s before the Curse.
    There, got all of my words out and in the order and fashion I wanted to.

    Nico’s general opinion cannot be taken as fact.

    There’s more evidence for Percy being strongest than against, in fact there’s nothing against Percy being strongest. At the worst he’s tied for strongest.

    You’re also handily dodging the entire backbone of the series being “The Sons and Daughters of Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades are too strong compared to everyone else”. We see Percy take on a bunch of Ares children with almost no training on his part- it’s an accepted fact of the universe, Big 3 kids are better.

  52. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 6:24 pm -      #52

    “You have nothing to show Percy isn’t the strongest beyond “We don’t know for sure”.”

    I still haven’t said that. All I took issue with is the wording that was used by nsl98. That’s it. I AGREE that he probably is the strongest, except for his constant tie-ing with Jason. All the evidence points to that. But “Percy is stated as the most powerful Demigod” is not true. There is plenty of evidence to indicate that, that is the case, but it is never explicitly stated by a source that I would deem reliable enough to ensure accuracy.

  53. Batz January 26, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #53

    OP here, I really want to get a few things straightened out, but my comments are STILL AWAITING MODERATION. WHAT. THE. HELL.

  54. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 6:31 pm -      #54

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2dptRO5FQc&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4#t=46
    The mech I mentioned earlier, I errored and called it a mechon. Anyway, the same mech did this. Pierced a large vehicle and threw it.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6b0tD9M-pw&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4#t=31
    Blocks from a mechon
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSEdyCG-Uk&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4&index=20
    Monado sees future.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2vMllYljc0&index=22&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Takes a slash from the same mech I posted before
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=T__kkOS9jBY&index=23&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Blocks Metal Face again.

  55. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 6:36 pm -      #55

    …Why do they all have really awful British accents??

  56. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 6:41 pm -      #56

    ……. I hate to say it. Would *ahem* Riptide work on Shulk? Is he a base human who uses a tech sword? Or is he blessed in some way that lets him use magic?

  57. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 6:47 pm -      #57

    Oh right, new thread- might as well post the feats over again.

    In Percy’s second monster encounter and before any sort of training displays superhuman agility and leaping ability as he jumps up more than seven feet in the air (he describes the Minotaur as “seven feet tall, easy” pg. 50) and then does a flip off of the Minotaur’s head onto its neck…
    “I got both my hands around one horn and pulled backward with all my might. The monster tensed, gave a surprised grunt, then-snap!”

    Water makes Percy feel stronger and faster- even just a simple cup of it
    “Luke poured ice water on his head, which looked like such a good idea, I did the same…Somehow, I kept [Luke] from getting a shot at my sword. My senses opened up. I saw his attacks coming. I countered. I stepped forward and tried a thrust of my own. Luke deflected it easily, but I saw a change in his face. His eyes narrowed, and he started to press me with more force.”

    Water also heals him
    “It leaped over her-an enormous shadow with teeth-and just as it hit me, as I stumbled backwards and felt its razor sharp claws cut through my armor… By some miracle, I was still alive. I didn’t want to look underneath my shredded armor. My chest felt warm and wet, and I knew I was badly cut…I was too tired to argue. I stepped back into the creek, the whole camp gathering around me. Instantly, I felt better. I could feel the cuts on my chest closing up.”

    Percy creates waterspouts and rides them, and he can manipulate at least 10,000 gallons of water
    “The sea serpent came after me. I quickly turned the waterspout to face him, then summoned all my power and willed the water to even greater heights.
    WHOOOOM
    Ten thousand gallons of salt water crashed into the monster. I leaped over its head, uncapped Riptide, and slashed with all my might at the creature’s neck. The monster roared. Green blood spouted from the wound, and the serpent sank beneath the waves”

    Percy can turn water solid
    “They charged straight toward the water. I imagined the sea turning solid, the waves becoming a firm surface all the way to Manhattan. The war chariot hit the surf, the horses’ fiery breath smoking all around us, and we rode the tops of the waves straight across New York Harbor”

    to be continued, let me just say Rounds 1 and 2 almost certainly go to Percy no matter how strong Shulk is.

  58. LadyRamkin January 26, 2015 at 6:52 pm -      #58

    “to be continued, let me just say Rounds 1 and 2 almost certainly go to Percy no matter how strong Shulk is.”

    …. how do you figure?? almost no feats for Shulk have been posted except the ones put forward by Alpha or Omega. and i don’t particularly get the impression you are too familiar with him. For all we know he gets super boy prime levels of broken.

    Saying that Percy takes it no matter what seems rather out of character.

    Im going off now.

  59. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 6:54 pm -      #59

    Percy can manipulate water and water-based things to a fine level
    “Percy thrust out his hands. An intense tugging sensation filled his gut, and the Tiber obeyed his will. The river surged. Whirlpools formed on either side of Frank. Giant watery hands erupted from the stream, copying Percy’s movements.”

    Percy moving water inside another Demigod just with a touch
    ‘”Piper,” Percy said. “I can help.”
    He knelt next to her and touched Jason’s forehead. Water gushed from Jason’s mouth’

    Percy wills a river to lift up and defy gravity
    “I raised my arms like I was lifting something over my head. My bad shoulder burned like lava, but I tried to ignore it. The river rose. It surged out of its banks, flowing up and then down again in a great arc-a raging black rainbow of water twenty feet high.. The riverbed in front of us turned to drying mud, a tunnel under the river just wide enough for two people to walk side by side.”

    A weakened Percy cuts down a tree in a single attack
    “As they ran past one of the black trees, he slashed his sword across the trunk. He heard it topple, followed by the satisfying crunch of several dozen arai as they were squashed flat.”

    Appears to be able to control the water of other people
    “He stood, his anger growing hotter in his gut. As the flood of venom rolled toward the goddess, the fumes began to make her cough. Her eyes watered even more.
    Oh, good, Percy thought. More water.
    Percy imagined her nose and throat filling with her own tears.
    Akhlys gagged. “I-” The tide of venom reached her feet, sizzling like droplets on a hot iron. She wailed and stumbled back…”Stop…” [Annabeth] pleaded, her voice hoarse”

    just one more

  60. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 7:00 pm -      #60

    Percy can tolerate lava and can produce water by himself- he doesn’t require it to be nearby. I don’t know how much water is required to make a volcano not erupt- but explode, but it can’t be a small amount.

    “He scooped lava out of the nearest furnace. It set his fingers ablaze, but this didn’t seem to bother him at all. The other elder Telekhines did the same. The first one threw a glop of molten rock at me and set my pants on fire. Two more splattered across my chest. I dropped my sword in sheer terror and swatted at my clothes. Fire was engulfing me. Strangely, it felt only warm at first, but it was getting hotter by the instant.
    “Your father’s nature protects you,” one said. “Makes you hard to burn. But not impossible, youngling. Not impossible”
    The threw more lava at me, and I remember screaming. My whole body was on fire. The pain was worse than anything I’d ever felt. I was being consumed. I crumpled to the metal floor and heard the demons howling in delight… I needed the sea. I felt a tugging sensation in my gut, but I had nothing around to help me. Not a faucet or a river. Not even a petrified seashell this time. And besides, the last time I’d unleashed my power at the stables it had almost gotten away from me.
    I had no choice. I called to the sea. I reached inside myself and remembered the waves and the currents, the endless power of the ocean. And I let it all loose in one horrible scream.
    Afterward, I could never describe what happened. An explosion, a tidal wave, a whirlwind of power simultaneously catching me up and blasting me downward into the lava. Fire and water collided, superheated steam, and I shot upward from the heart of the volcano in a huge explosion, just one piece of flotsam thrown free by a million pounds of pressure. The last thing I before losing consciousness was flying, flying so high Zeus would never have forgiven me, and then beginning to fall, smoke and fire and water streaming from me. I was a comet hurtling toward the earth.”

    To give a sense of how large this was, “half a million people”, “ash as far as Lake Tahoe and Vancouver”, “and the entire Mount St. Helens area is closed to traffic within a hundred-mile radius”(pg. 219).

    Oh, guess we’ll throw this one in here too

    Percy and Jason’s combat
    “[Piper] rolled to the edge of the road and looked back, dazed and horrified, as [Percy and Jason] crossed swords, gold against bronze. Sparks flew. Their blades blurred-strike and parry-and the pavement trembled. The first exchange only lasted a second, but Piper couldn’t believe the speed of their sword fighting. What makes this even more impressive is that later Percy realizes he had gotten rusty with his sword skills, so this is not even Percy at the top of his game “”Many of Percy’s powers had gotten stronger over the years, but now, too late, Percy realized that swordplay was not one of them. He was rusty-at least against an adversary like Chrysaor.””

    So unless Shulk can speedblitz the crap out of Percy, Percy is just going to summon water from either the battlefield or create it himself and then just drown him. Precog isn’t going to be worth much even if it does work. Heck, Percy might not even have to draw his sword for Rounds 1 or 2.

  61. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 7:02 pm -      #61

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDFiEGEfcGo&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4#t=52
    Shulk foresees Reyn’s death.
    The spider pierces the gun and Reyn.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xvIig9_hxE&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Uses Monado shield to save Reyn from this attack.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfdHEcywkJY&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Uses Monado Speed to boost the speed of everyone else.

  62. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 7:10 pm -      #62

    Does Shulk have any reaction feats?

  63. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 7:28 pm -      #63

    …. how do you figure?? almost no feats for Shulk have been posted except the ones put forward by Alpha or Omega. and i don’t particularly get the impression you are too familiar with him. For all we know he gets super boy prime levels of broken.

    While not overly familiar with Shulk- I play a lot of JRPGs so I do know what the typical JRPG hero will bring to the table.
    I also know that he doesn’t have any hax beyond what his Monado gives him, so that’s precog, strength, the shield, and some range boosting. Thus far I’m not looking far off in my guess.

    The Monado 3 turns him into a God and he reforms his universe. True.
    However, all it apparently takes to kill a God in Shulk’s universe is a God-killing weapon, guess what Percy’s universe is just full of?

  64. Epicazeroth January 26, 2015 at 7:32 pm -      #64

    @Friendly: “Percy uses this to watch every inch of his opponent in battle”
    He does? Where does it say this?

    “The bullet feat? No? That’s book 2, long before the Curse.”
    My bad; I got mixed up with the other time he was attacked by a giant horde of skeletons. Same scenario, wrong god.

    “Percy wills a river to lift up and defy gravity”
    No. He diverts its course upwards enough for two people to walk. “wills a river to lift up” implies that he lifted the whole thing.

    “Appears to be able to control the water of other people”
    Nothing to say about the feat, but… I almost stopped reading the book at that point. It was so ridiculous – and more importantly beyond anything we’d been told – that I had to actually stop for a while.

    “What makes this even more impressive is that later Percy realizes he had gotten rusty with his sword skills, so this is not even Percy at the top of his game”
    1) Grammar. It’s hard to tell where quotes end and where analysis begins.
    2) He says rusty “against an opponent like Chrysaor”. Chrysaor is thousands of years old minimum, and has almost certainly been training for most of his life.

  65. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 7:45 pm -      #65

    1) Grammar. It’s hard to tell where quotes end and where analysis begins.
    2) He says rusty “against an opponent like Chrysaor”. Chrysaor is thousands of years old minimum, and has almost certainly been training for most of his life.


    I was trying to be fast so I could get all 3 bunches of quotes together, otherwise I would’ve taken my time to format it properly. Quotes would’ve been in italics if I wasn’t hurrying.

    No. He diverts its course upwards enough for two people to walk. “wills a river to lift up” implies that he lifted the whole thing.

    Semantics, he lifts a flowing river high enough for people to walk under. Sure he only lifts a 10 foot wide bit or so, but the main point for that was he was able to do that even in Tartarus- which drains his power.

  66. Epicazeroth January 26, 2015 at 7:53 pm -      #66

    @Friendly: “However, all it apparently takes to kill a God in Shulk’s universe is a God-killing weapon”
    Well, yeah. Isn’t “kills Gods” kind of implied by “God-killing”?

  67. Batz January 26, 2015 at 7:56 pm -      #67

    I’m gonna start posting info on Shulk’s Artes now.
    Slit Edge: A stab.
    Back Slash: An overhead slash.
    Light Heal: Heals wounds.
    Air Slash/Stream Edge: Inflicts Break.
    Shaker Edge: Inflicts Daze on Toppled enemies.
    Shadow Eye: Reduces the enemy’s aggression.
    Monado Artes:
    Enchant: Allows ordinary weapons to damage Mechon. Useless here.
    Buster: Increases the Monado’s range to approx. 10 Meters.
    Shield: Blocks powerful attacks. Sm4sh version reduces damage/flinching/speed.
    Speed: Greatly increases the speed of the recipient. Cutscenes strongly suggest they are forced to dodge attacks.
    Purge: Projectile with approx. 20 Meters range. Stops and seals aura abilities of the target for 14.5 seconds.

  68. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 7:59 pm -      #68

    Well, yeah. Isn’t “kills Gods” kind of implied by “God-killing”?

    Well I mean it apparently does take a somewhat special weapon, compared to GoW where Kratos effectively beats Ares to death with a big stone sword.

  69. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 8:09 pm -      #69

    Ah, right, via otherworldly hax I’ve noticed the OP wants to change some things. Batz if you could just pop up and say- “Yes I said this” that would be great.

    OP here. A few things I wanna get out of the way before we hit 50 posts.
    1. Shulk is able to use the Sm4sh versions of his artes.
    2. Polymorphing is not allowed in Round 3. The Olympians cannot use their “true forms”. Other self transformations are still viable.
    3. If you guys wanna change Shulk’s partners in Round 2, I am fine with this.


    He’s tried posting 4 times- each one is under moderation.

  70. Epicazeroth January 26, 2015 at 8:13 pm -      #70

    @Friendly: “Semantics, he lifts a flowing river high enough for people to walk under.”
    I know, but some people might think he lifted the whole river.

    “he was able to do that even in Tartarus- which drains his power.”
    Goddammit, really? That’s dangerously close to “no conflict” levels of broken. Especially considering how the next time we see Percy, it’s gonna be in the (probable) three-way crossover.

  71. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 8:26 pm -      #71

    @Epic

    I think we have to wait four-five years until Magnus Chase gets finished till we see a three way between the series. Super excited for Magnus btw. October 6 is so far away.

    ——-

    On a happy note, Crown of Ptolemy comes out sometime in the next few months. That’s the third in a trilogy of Cross overs Percy has had with Carter Kane.

    —–

    @Batz

    Aren’t the Olympians largely featless then without access to their other powers? I guess we could try to search for the few paragraphs that describe their fights with Typhon in Last Olympian.

  72. Batz January 26, 2015 at 8:36 pm -      #72

    @Friendly- Yes, I articulated these statements. HOW CAN YOU SEE ME?
    @nsl88- If that somehow leaves the Olympians featless, I apologize. It’s been a while since I’ve read the books. I simply meant to revoke their ability to polymorph and the “Instant Death” their true forms supposedly inflict.

    As for the rest of Shulk’s Artes:
    Armour: Reduces the force behind enemy attacks by 75% for 15 seconds. Affects all allies.
    Eater: Removes buffs from and inflicts Bleed on enemies in a frontal cone with a range of approx. 15 Meters.
    Cyclone: A column of energy erupts from the ground with a diameter of 20 Meters underneath the target. Topples enemies suffering from Break.
    I have work to do, so I might not be back for a while.

  73. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 8:43 pm -      #73

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ84UWORgG8&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Learns Purge from Alvis(who is the Monado…whoops spoilers)
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce4kFmjrVYE&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4&index=52
    Monado disturbs the fabric of existence of both material and immaterial.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiDA6ghQelk&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Use of Monado purge
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hzFS1DftRA&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4#t=381
    Ridiculous length of the Monado.

  74. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 8:54 pm -      #74

    So… on the behalf of Batz- seriously, what’s the trigger for these? Is it because he hasn’t posted before?

    @Friendly- Yes, I articulated these statements. HOW CAN YOU SEE ME?

    Mad skills son. Mad. Skills. Also it’s a side-effect of being given the power to draft things.
    Annnnnd I really hope this doesn’t technically count as abusing said power.

    @nsl88- If that somehow leaves the Olympians featless, I apologize. It’s been a while since I’ve read the books. I simply meant to revoke their ability to polymorph and the “Instant Death” their true forms supposedly inflict.

  75. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 9:18 pm -      #75

    “The Monado 3 turns him into a God and he reforms his universe. True.
    However, all it apparently takes to kill a God in Shulk’s universe is a God-killing weapon, guess what Percy’s universe is just full of?”
    /
    Their God killing weapons can disturb the fabric of existence of both material and immaterial?
    My other post is awaiting moderation.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Gz18wFCDg&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4&index=78
    With the power of the Monado II, the ability to hurt those of Bionis and Mechonis, he easily lops off Metal Faces’ arm
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSbeIJZgKDw&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Shulk blocks an attack that cuts through Metal Face.
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3Jeqtztts&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Survive another great fall

  76. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #76

    @Friendly and Batz

    When I first started posting, my comments got modded too. It stopped after, like, a week though. I think it’s just to make sure you have relevant things to say.

    Also, what I meant by largely featless was that the gods in the PJ verse typically go for polymorphism and true form spam.

  77. Commander Cross January 26, 2015 at 9:35 pm -      #77

    The Lords and Ladies of Olympus can all tamper and screw with the Memories of others, likely taught by a Titan Goddess of Memory somewhere if I recall right.

    Not quite requiring the True Immortal Forms either.
    That said it’s interesting to hear in Round 03, Shulk has The Battlefield Removal Button ready, granted if he had to duke it out against someone or something with it before he could use it, then that just cuts his task in half really.

    Also you might wanna specify some things, are we talking Major Council Members only then the youngest I recalled on the Council is Lord Dionysus, The God-Lord of Wine and Trickery himself.
    If we’re talking everyone on the Council noted thus far, it gets trickier but also more interesting to figure out who goes first.

    For Round 03, The Monado being a shout-out to a Divine-type Entity known as The Monad feels very fitting in hindsight if anyone looks up the basics of Gnosticism actually. ^_^

    —-

    As for the first two rounds, if you’re not sure whether or not either side’s incarnations are equal, you can just opt to go with Most Equal Incarnations Possible for both sides and I’m sure it’ll be interesting, and if Most Equal Incarnations allowed may include Styx-Enhanced Percy as a Last-Resort, it basically pits Percy’s More-Rapid-Fire Combat Speeds and much more Rapid Mobility(among other things) against Shulk’s second most powerful incarnations possible.

    @Epicazeroth at #45

    I know, very few if any of the 4-5 Half-Mortals I listed up actually showed up, like about half of them in person if we got lucky.
    My points on Herakles/Hercules, Dionysus and Aeneas of Troy being Legacy Beings still stands strong even if only 2 out of those particular 3 ever showed up in person.

    Aeneas of Troy was actually of the same strain where Herakles/Hercules, Dionysus and Both Perseus’s hail from, despite predating the New Roman/Latin Demigods and being a Prototype to them in a lot of ways.

    Also if Percy shows up again, I really hope he’s closer to (The Original!-) Kite of the Dot Hack Universe without River Styx Enhancements in terms of presence, though the scariest part by far is that it may still wind up nothing next to whatever’s gonna happen to Post-Changes Harry Dresden even if Alabaster Torrington got involved.*

    Also, how does The Monado without its most powerful form stack up to the Godkiller Weapons from The World of Skulduggery Pleasant for that matter in terms of Fighting Cosmic Immortals of any kind?
    Even if it don’t kill Cosmic Immortals outright, having a Battlefield Removal Button’s nothing to take lightly either if you know how to use it.

    Let’s not forget that if I recall right, The Lords and Ladies of Olympus can still go 100+ or so Feet Tall as of The Blood of Olympus and they can be very HORRIFIC when they take to the field, granted some of it was when The High King Zeus has his Ephiphanies at work but the bottom line still stands.

    As for The Lords and Ladies of Olympus with their Greek or Latin Forms, go for whichever of the two allows them to fight Better than the other if anything and it’ll do wonders, trust me on it.

    1.) (Funny story speaking of whom, Alabaster C. Torrington reads like Harry Dresden in his Teen Years if you read The Demigod Diaries, and I won’t tell you detailed spoilers on that just yet unless you all read enough about one of either.)

  78. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 10:15 pm -      #78

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsfiEk-PKbY&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Shulk destroys a projectile.
    Can see things coming without a vision.
    /
    The same kind of projectile that did
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HH6vq7aBvc&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4#t=66
    this
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrksvJIhx6o&index=118&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4
    Shulk and the gang tank those same projectiles

  79. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 10:23 pm -      #79

    Well Shulk is looking more and more formidable.

    ——

    @ AoO

    Do you recommend this game?

  80. Alpha or Omega January 26, 2015 at 10:40 pm -      #80

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg2ufgZVWL4&list=PL6AD766CA7390A7A4#t=11
    Shulk dodges explosions, and blocks a sword swing from Golden Face mechon, and jumps several meters into the air.
    /
    @nsl98
    I recommend this game.
    It’s a very good JRPG filled with free exploration and large open world. It takes a little bit to start, but it’s worth it once you keep progressing.
    The story is a bit complex and deals with motifs and themes involving godhood, vengeance, and pain.

  81. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 10:50 pm -      #81

    Their God killing weapons can disturb the fabric of existence of both material and immaterial?

    Fancy words with no real meaning. The Monado can change Ether, that is its power.

    Shulk can manipulate Ether, in his universe everything and everyone is made of the stuff. People, weapons, animals, etc.
    That’s your “material and immaterial”.
    That’s how Shulk becomes a God.

    Percy’s world does not have anything that is EC with Ether. There is no magical force that everyone and everything has within them.

    Do you recommend this game?

    I hear it’s the best JRPG available for the Wii. It’s not the highest bar to jump but it’s supposed to be quite fun.

  82. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 10:59 pm -      #82

    @Alpha and Friendly

    Good thing I have Wii still. I only use it for Fire Emblem, Mario Kart, and Brawl, but that hasn’t seen much use since Sm4sh. I’ll check it out.

    —–
    @Ramkin #43

    A fellow Lucina main I see. I used her a lot week one, but I currently use Fox, Marth, and Little Mac.

  83. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 11:09 pm -      #83

    I’ve only played the new Smash a few times, it’s not really fun because the only place I can play it is at my college gaming club. And they’re all so damn competitive that they turn off all items and only play Omega stages.

    That said, I really liked Dedede in Brawl and the Brawl mod “Project M”. I’ve used him a bit in the new SSB, I think I did the best as Robin though.
    (No I didn’t just spam lightning bolt, perish the thought).

  84. nsl98 January 26, 2015 at 11:14 pm -      #84

    (No I didn’t just spam lightning bolt, perish the thought).

    ——

    Blasphemous! Every Robin I’ve ever fought on For Glory always does that! It’s traditional, man. I’ve only ever played one good Robin… I had the replay saved and everything. Then Nintendo released the new patch and deleted it…

    —–

    Only Omega stages? They do realize Smash Pros play on others, right? Smashville, Battlefield, that other Animal Crossing stage, etc.

  85. Epicazeroth January 26, 2015 at 11:14 pm -      #85

    @nsl: “Also, what I meant by largely featless was that the gods in the PJ verse typically go for polymorphism and true form spam.”
    Not really. They usually go for super-clichéd attacks based on their affinity. So, lightning for Zeus, water and earthquakes for Poseidon, and doves and flowers for Aphrodite.

  86. Commander Cross January 26, 2015 at 11:34 pm -      #86

    @Epicazeroth at #85

    Don’t forget, applying Electro-Magnetics are always optional if/when it ever crosses the Mind of the High King Zeus, and He, along with his Wild Card Brothers in Lords Poseidon and Hades* can do other things as well.

    You forget that The Lady Aphy can Screw with A lot of People’s Emotion Systems, and that’s without altering her physical descriptions far more often than the other Lords and Ladies of Olympus would often be doing, including the Eye Colors and maybe the chest or caboose if Shulk be a ‘boob person’* or ‘caboose person’ in fact.

    I’m pretty sure Lord Dionysus can Induce Madness on Enemy Forces and Twist their very Sanity Marbles against them as well, he is a Trickster God for a reason after all.

    Herakles/Hercules is still Physically Stronger than he ever was before but we never got to see too much of the True Extent of his abilities without True Immortal Forms or Power-Scaling in play, sadly enough. T_T
    Granted he won’t always be so rational but still.

    The Twins Apollo/Apollon and Artemis can Snipe out People from Long Rangers, and I’m sure at least the former might be able to use what Shadow Ops* calls Physiomancy and an Offensive Variant of it we can call Rending in fact.*
    The latter took some Honest-to-Gods level-ups in Badass somewhere since she didn’t get ripped a New Asshole all over the place during The Titan’s Curse to say the least, and that didn’t even factor out joining the others to fight Typhon either.

    I’m pretty sure there’s more but I wonder where else to keep up, don’t forget about Prince Ares or The High Princess Athena herself either, the former is Beyond Extremely Good with any Weapon he’s got on hand and the latter Rarely Makes Mistakes AT ALL* on top of having Ferocious Gear when she’s serious, and did I forget to mention she and her father share The Original Aegis Shield* among other things in fact?

    Prince Ares’ Latin Side Mars isn’t anything to take lightly either and it’s doubtful he’s far behind on things to offer.

    The High Queen Hera’s Latin Side Juno is more Combat-Worthier than Hera usually is, I’m sure she has her interesting moments here and there when she’s Hera but Juno is obviously more Violent.

    Will get to Demeter, Hestia and Hecate/Hekate eventually unless someone beats me to that bit.

    1.) (I’m gonna pretend Protocol consents me to say the name for now until further notice, if I’m wrong I’m paying for it rather than the rest of you.)
    2.) (Yeah I went there, off-chance Shulk goes to hit the Lady Aphy with a BFR Button, I can sort-of picture one of Shulk’s hands on the Lady Aphy’s breasts, funny enough. o_O’ )
    3.) (By Myke Cole, who served in the U.S Military not unlike The Late Robert Jordan.)
    4.) (Apollo/Apollon was said to be sharing the position of Immortals associated with Plagues as well as how to end Plagues somewhere as well, shared with Thanatos I think.
    Therefore it fits. )
    5.) (Shulk’s odds against the High Princess in Round 03 will depend just as much on whether or not she’ll make any mistakes here as it does whether or not Shulk’s got enough Aces up his sleeves.)
    6.) (The Original Indestructible Concussion-Proof Silver Shield that can also flat-out Petrify people on top of having Cosmic-Tier Indestructibility and all that jazz, and I’m not even talking The Original Aegis Cape either.
    She’s not The Original Brain-Baby of the Planet Earth for nothing, you know.)

  87. Friendlysociopath January 26, 2015 at 11:45 pm -      #87

    Only Omega stages? They do realize Smash Pros play on others, right? Smashville, Battlefield, that other Animal Crossing stage, etc.

    Perhaps I used the wrong word- they only play on stages where nothing but your “skill” is in play. No random levels that can hurt you, no levels that change their shape, just the flat levels.

    I used to like Zero Suit a lot, I’m having trouble adjusting to her changes.
    …sigh
    You know a group is getting out of hand when people say they’re worse to have around than the League of Legends players.
    And who’s the officer that has to deal with all this crap?

  88. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 12:55 am -      #88

    “Fancy words with no real meaning. The Monado can change Ether, that is its power.”
    /
    Right, this doesn’t change the fact that the Monado is capable of doing this.
    /
    “Shulk can manipulate Ether, in his universe everything and everyone is made of the stuff. People, weapons, animals, etc.
    That’s your “material and immaterial”.
    That’s how Shulk becomes a God.”
    /
    While it’s true that the Monado manipulates ether to predict the future, it doesn’t change the fact that it has power within itself. When you first start the game, Shulk will mention about the power within the monado to Dunban and then there’s the end where Alvis(who’s the monado) states that the power of god are limited to providence and not ether.
    I’m still trying to look for a chat between Alvis and Shulk.
    /
    “Percy’s world does not have anything that is EC with Ether. There is no magical force that everyone and everything has within them.”
    /
    Ah but you’re forgetting another rule. Neutral battleground would give ether for Shulk to manipulate so that he would be able to do any of his shtick to predict the future to being a god in round 3 and do what ever he wants.
    Also, I’m pretty sure someone will argue ether to be elementary compatible with life force or vitality.

  89. Alpha or Omega January 27, 2015 at 1:06 am -      #89

    I don’t really like the omega stages in the for glory mode.
    Final destination wasn’t the only stage used in tournaments.
    There’s battlefield too, and they could have brought Kirby Dream Land(did I get the correct stage name?) stage

  90. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 6:48 am -      #90

    Ah but you’re forgetting another rule. Neutral battleground would give ether for Shulk to manipulate so that he would be able to do any of his shtick to predict the future to being a god in round 3 and do what ever he wants.

    “Battles take place in a neutral arena appropriate to the scope of the match (i.e. stadium, facility, city, continent, planet, galaxy, universe, etc.), and it is assumed no one side will have an undue disadvantage. This neutral setting will incorporate all associated elements for all combatants to operate at maximum efficiency.”

    Ether is present enough for Shulk to use his abilities- that doesn’t mean we fundamentally alter the make-up of everyone in Percy’s universe to make them have an element in them they don’t have. That would be imposing a weakness for no reason.

    If everyone had mana or chi or something like that in them I’d give EC a swing. But Percy’s universe doesn’t have anything like that. Ether comprises all things in Shulks world, living and dead, “material and immaterial”, the closest thing I could think of is “Mist” and people aren’t made of that like they are of Ether.

    Shulk’s God powers are him manipulating massive amounts of Ether. If everyone isn’t made of the stuff then there’s nothing to control. It’s not EC with “Life Force” because it’s everything.

    We did have one 2v2v2v2 match. A friend of mine mains ROB in tournaments so we did ROB and Robin. Such lols were had, nobody could get close to us. And if they did, we massacred them.

  91. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 7:53 am -      #91

    “A fellow Lucina main I see. I used her a lot week one, but I currently use Fox, Marth, and Little Mac.”

    Played Marth in brawl, but I am awful at positioning him, I panic and attack too fast so I play Lucina instead.

    “it’s not really fun because the only place I can play it is at my college gaming club. And they’re all so damn competitive that they turn off all items and only play Omega stages.”

    I turn all the items off an usually only play stages where nothing moves or can gib you. So mainly The temple (Zelda) and omega stages, not because im super competitive or anything its just that me and my friends don’t like being insta killed by any random item that just happens to spawn at our opponents feet.

    “Also, I’m pretty sure someone will argue ether to be elementary compatible with life force or vitality.”

    I am already vying for ether to be elementally compatible with regular atomic matter. Being made of ether is just how his universe is, and being made of atoms is just how Percy’s is, holding that against them seem pointless. Both combatants physical laws have to be elementally compatible for any real debate to happen on any match, don’t see why we should change that here.

  92. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 9:08 am -      #92

    Both combatants physical laws have to be elementally compatible for any real debate to happen on any match, don’t see why we should change that here.

    “Elements commonly associated with one franchise/universe will not be exclusive to that franchise/universe if they can be found in the opposition.”

    Elemental Compatibility is to allow *similar* powers to function with one another. Psychic powers from one universe work the same as the powers of another universe. Magic powers stemming from genetics can interact with magic powers that come from… ingesting chicken blood.

    This does *not* mean every power needs to be adjusted to interact with one another.

    There needs to be something similar to Ether, some sort of magical force that permeates everyone. Ether isn’t physical like atoms are. And atoms are not magical like Ether is.

    This may be a moot point- but aren’t Gods in Percy’s world immortal? Like Greek and Roman myth immortal? Cut them to pieces and they jsut reform?

    Also, I’m pretty sure someone will argue ether to be elementary compatible with life force or vitality

    Likewise Ether is certainly not life force if you can get it from things that aren’t alive.

    There ARE universes with things perfect to be EC with Ether, but I don’t think Percy’s is such a universe.

  93. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 11:44 am -      #93

    “There needs to be something similar to Ether, some sort of magical force that permeates everyone. Ether isn’t physical like atoms are. And atoms are not magical like Ether is.”

    “The Monado works by changing the ‘Ether’ around it. ‘Ether’ is the building block of that entire universe, everything is made of it. Shulk can see the future by the Monado being able to see where the Ether particles were, are, and will be.”

    Both of those are quotes from you, I don’t know anything about xenoblade but if “Ether’ is the building block of that entire universe” Then physical matter doesn’t actually EXIST in that universe right? EVERYTHING is ether, much the same way that EVERYHTING is atoms. If they ARNT elementally compatible then how are the combatants to interact at all?????? We have literally 0 instances of ether interacting with regular matter. For us to continue this debate Ether and Atoms must be compatible.

  94. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 12:04 pm -      #94

    Ether isn’t atoms and atoms aren’t Ether. The game specifically mentions Ether can immaterial- more like an energy than a physical thing.

    “The building block of the universe”
    “a river of spiritual energy coursing through the Planet”
    “mana is the basis of all life”
    “the moulding of the physical energy present in every cell of the body”

    Ether isn’t a physical thing like atoms. It’s more akin to spiritual energy like the lifstream, or mana or chakra. It can be harvested in crystallized form to create energy, something atoms can not.
    You’ve got a single similarity based on wordplay on one hand and a host of differences on the other hand.

    Nobody said they wouldn’t be able to interact at all, but the energy Shulk can manipulate doesn’t exist in Percy’s universe. Neither is there a suitable thing to EC it too. The closest thing we could compare it to would be Mist, not atoms. And people aren’t made of Mist.

  95. Commander Cross January 27, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #95

    Both Power Systems are meant to fight the TARTARUS out of each other is all I got that’s clear.

    Either way, depending on what Shulk may offer, I might just contemplate on Haseo(Dot Hack universe) or Homura Akemi(Madoka Magica) vs Shulk next, keep a sharp eye out on it depending on how this fight goes.

  96. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #96

    “Ether’ is the building block of that entire universe, everything is made of it.”

    Look, i do not know anything about Xenoblade, so i am taking this absolutly literally. If everything in that universe is ether, then Shulk is ether. if that is the case these two opponents cannot physically interact with each other in any way. Elemental compatability HAS to apply.

    Psychic powers from one universe need to interact with psychic powers from another while keeping their unique qualities, otherwise we can not debate.

    Magic from one universe need to interact with magic from another while keeping their unique qualities, otherwise we can not debate.

    Matter from one universe need to interact with matter from another while keeping their unique qualities, otherwise we can not debate.

    Unless i have a wrong interpretation here, which is very possible, there is no way for this match to continue without elemental compatibility

  97. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 12:45 pm -      #97

    Look, i do not know anything about Xenoblade, so i am taking this absolutly literally. If everything in that universe is ether, then Shulk is ether. if that is the case these two opponents cannot physically interact with each other in any way. Elemental compatability HAS to apply.

    Ah, I figured as much. Ether is called the building block of the universe, atoms are described the exact same way. However, they are not the same thing. Just because Shulk’s universe is made of Ether doesn’t suddenly make them unable to interact with Percy’s universe.
    Which is why I keep referencing mana from Tales games, or the lifestream from FF7, or even chakra from Naruto. I’m hoping you’re familiar with at least one of these so you can see the connection.

    Ether is an energy, atoms are not. That’s pretty much the long and short of it.

    That said, I don’t mean to imply Shulk can’t fight or effect his enemies. I apologize if that’s how I came across.
    However, his powers revolve around tracking an element specific to his universe- and Percy’s universe doesn’t have a good equivalent for it.

    Atoms? Ether is an energy. The explanation is the only similarity.
    Life energy? Closer, but still no good. Ether is in the environment..
    Mist? We could take that route, but people in Percy’s world aren’t made of Mist like they are of Ether.

    Shulk can use his abilities to manipulate the Ether to protect himself and attack his enemies. He might still have limited precog, I don’t know if he tracks the Ether within the enemies or around them. If it’s the former he won’t have precog, if it’s the latter he will.
    But in either case, without a suitable EC energy source, Shulk can’t just change reality like he does in his game. Can he make shields? Yeah. Cut people with his laser sword? Sure. Throw out energy projectiles? Why not?
    But Percy and company don’t have Ether in them, and it doesn’t look like they have a decent substitute. Meaning Shulk can’t just rewrite them with the Monado 3.

  98. Commander Cross January 27, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #98

    @FriendlySociopath at #97

    For what it’s worth, I wonder if Xenoblade and Xenoblade Chronicles has anyone along the lines of Jason of New Rome or Flynn Scifo(Tales of Vesperia) in fact.

    I’d like to know that, too.

    —-

    Anyway this looks like it can go either way at the moment, I was expecting nothing but Bad News All Around when I first saw that fight.*
    Well, so long as the fight’s going with Most Equal Incarnations possible, it could work.

    Besides, it’ll bring in Needed Combat ‘Bio-Data’ required for if either Camp Half-Blood(Not Just the Boot Camp but the volumes, New Roman and Mortal Mercenary Forces included.) or the Xenoblade Chronicles go to a Universe War against The World of Madoka Magica in fact.

    1.) (Seriously, couldn’t you have just gone with CHB?There would be Open Room for Possible ‘Sequel’ Content or Spin-off Regards if fight suggester done it like that.)

  99. LadyRamkin January 27, 2015 at 1:08 pm -      #99

    “However, they are not the same thing”

    They don’t have to be. If they were the same thing to begin with then elemental compatibility would be an entirely pointless rule.

    “Shulk’s universe is made of Ether doesn’t suddenly make them unable to interact with Percy’s universe.”

    As you have said, there is nothing in Percy’s universe even remotely like ether and (still not sure about this) there is nothing in Shulk’s universe remotely like atoms. We have literally no idea how these two things will interact with each other, if they can at all.

    “or the lifestream from FF7, or even chakra from Naruto”

    These 2 i am familiar with but
    1) I don’t see how they even relate to each other

    2) They are things that exist within living things. People in naruto are not MADE of chakra,

    They way you are describing it. It sounds more like reishi from Bleach. Which is condensed reiatsu or spirit energy. But the problem there is reishi things cannot interact with things from the material world.

    If it is just like chakra, or Ki or furyoku or something like that though I will drop the issue.

    “That said, I don’t mean to imply Shulk can’t fight or effect his enemies. I apologize if that’s how I came across.”

    No need to apologise that is something that I concluded on my own. We have two things (in this case the combatants) whom are made of 2 completely different substances that are completely alien to each other. We have no basis for them being able to interact, they are too different which is why i believe elemental compatibility is a must.

    Magic from WoT and Magic from MTG are almost completely different but for the match to work they have to be able to interact. We have no basis for their interaction, since nothing like each appears in the others universe. But they fulfil such a similar role and are such a major component that elemental compatibility applied.

    “Meaning Shulk can’t just rewrite them with the Monado 3″

    He only has that for round 3

    I have been reading Monado as Mondo, and have subsequently been thinking of ninja turtles all day.

  100. Friendlysociopath January 27, 2015 at 1:28 pm -      #100

    He only has that for round 3

    Well yeah, but the heart of the matter still affects Rounds 1 and 2, even if I think Percy stomps both rounds. Precog doesn’t really save you from giant waves of water that will actively try to drown you. You need to blitz Percy before he uses water.

    I personally think Mist is the best compromise, it’s an energy that’s present in Percy’s universe that all beings (that matter anyways) use- even if they aren’t made of the stuff.

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