Samus Aran Vs Starkiller

Samus Aran Vs Starkiller

Suggested by Nsl98

Samus Aran (Metroid) going up against Starkiller (Star Wars)

 

They fight in the Jedi Temple.

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46 Comments on "Samus Aran Vs Starkiller"

  1. nsl98 January 23, 2015 at 10:17 pm -      #1

    Why do my matches always get glitches. First Boba vs RR, now this? Initially leaning towards Samus.

  2. Warlock Lowk January 23, 2015 at 11:03 pm -      #2

    Couldn’t he just TK her still and hold the lightsaber on her till it ran the shields down?

  3. Neon Lord January 23, 2015 at 11:26 pm -      #3

    How did you find this if it wasn’t on the front page?

    Email notification I presume?

  4. nsl98 January 23, 2015 at 11:38 pm -      #4

    It is on the front page, at the very bottom. I just scroll down to look at old threads and I saw one I had suggested, but don’t remember it getting posted. It’s happened before.

    ——-

    @Lowk

    As I understood it, based on past Samus matches, she’s faster on the draw then force users. Plus better firepower.

  5. Sauroposeidon January 24, 2015 at 10:41 am -      #5

    Chozo DNA. It does a body good. I say Samus.. but I am heavily biased as a Samus fan, and as someone who absolutely hates Starkiller and his beyond retarded games.

  6. Commander Cross January 24, 2015 at 10:58 am -      #6

    As someone who sympathizes with Starkiller and Samus, I say this goes either way.

    Now put them against everyone from 50 Shades of Grey for the sake of a Bloodbath, and you got yourself some Entertainment right there!

    Also for what it’s worth, both are more sympathetic than the Uchiha clan from Naruto, give some positive props for both on that bit at least.

  7. Friendlysociopath January 24, 2015 at 11:32 am -      #7

    Now put them against everyone from 50 Shades of Grey for the sake of a Bloodbath, and you got yourself some Entertainment right there!

    Not sure we’d want to see that level of entertainment.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Samus isn’t all that fast is she? I recall her hypersonic dash requires her to run in a straight line or something like that.

    Questions in regard to Starkiller:
    1) Don’t Jedi have precog?
    2) Isn’t Starkiller the guy who TK’d a Star Destroyer? That’s just a mind-blowing amount of force to use.
    3) Is Starkiller the guy who parried laser blasts from a mech from Star Wars?

  8. Sauroposeidon January 24, 2015 at 12:04 pm -      #8

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but Samus isn’t all that fast is she? I recall her hypersonic dash requires her to run in a straight line or something like that.”

    In the game, she needed to run straight for a couple of seconds to activate it. Everything else I’ve seen just shows her as being obnoxiously strong and fast. Her Chozo DNA grants her phenomenal strength and durability, essentially allowing her to operate under “anime physics” in a setting which tries to depict humans as normally as possible.

    Zebes is supposedly fatal to humans. This seems to be the universal reason for her enhancements. The only logical reason I’ve seen for this so far is it’s insane mass. With estimates ranging from 80 to 800 times Earth Gravity after a quick search. The strength she should have, regardless of whether we go with high or low ends, should let her move phenomenally fast, even with out her suit.

  9. Friendlysociopath January 24, 2015 at 12:43 pm -      #9

    The strength she should have, regardless of whether we go with high or low ends, should let her move phenomenally fast, even with out her suit.

    And yet, she requires a special tool to achieve that speed. She also (to my knowledge) never demonstrates the estimated strength values she should have by being on such a large planet.

    Which to me, indicates the writers just said “It’s big” and didn’t pursue the matter further.
    Seriously though, how do her arms work inside that suit?

  10. Sauroposeidon January 24, 2015 at 1:24 pm -      #10

    “And yet, she requires a special tool to achieve that speed. She also (to my knowledge) never demonstrates the estimated strength values she should have by being on such a large planet.”

    Have you seen how high she leaps?

    I’m not referring to her super speed attack when I speak of her phenomenal speed and strength, for the record. I can think of at least one manga I’ve read showcasing her as a little girl during her training leaping great distances. Not like.. miles. Just several meters. But several times her own body length. I can leap, with zero momentum, maybe two meters. So it strikes me as pretty impressive on her part.

    She is I think 14 in this picture.

    www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0002/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch002_046.png

  11. Friendlysociopath January 24, 2015 at 1:40 pm -      #11

    Have you seen how high she leaps?

    About 20 feet at an estimate.

    So it strikes me as pretty impressive on her part.

    Oh she’s superhuman thanks to Chozo DNA, I don’t dispute that.

    My only dispute is people going on about Zebes’ mass and saying Samus should be x times stronger/faster when there’s no evidence provided to support it.
    Stronger than normal? Yes
    Stronger in equal scale to the planet? No

  12. Sauroposeidon January 24, 2015 at 1:45 pm -      #12

    I don’t know the rate at which gravity scales up to mass, so I can’t comment really on HOW strong she’s supposed to be. Just that outside of the Super Speed feat, she’s still very fast, and very strong. A kick from Samus at that age would explode whatever part of me she hit if she weren’t holding back.

  13. nsl98 January 24, 2015 at 2:48 pm -      #13

    Oh, I forgot to mention that it’s Samus in the Zero Suit or whatever it’s called. No armor.

    ———-

  14. Friendlysociopath January 24, 2015 at 4:26 pm -      #14

    Er, damn, so Samus just became restricted to a stun gun, energy whip and not much else?

  15. nsl98 January 24, 2015 at 4:33 pm -      #15

    She still physically outclasses Galen though. If it is stomp against her, she can have the regular Power Suit.

  16. Alpha or Omega January 24, 2015 at 4:51 pm -      #16

    Huh, the gravity argument?
    Well, it wouldn’t matter since it’s just the zero suit.
    /
    Without the powersuit, the best feat she has done was go into re-entry, survive the crash landing, and the explosion that came afterward.
    /
    She still loses to Starkiller.

  17. Xornell January 24, 2015 at 5:19 pm -      #17

    I just don’t see how she isn’t immediately crushed or flung into orbit by one of the stronger Force users in Star Wars.

  18. Sauroposeidon January 24, 2015 at 11:55 pm -      #18

    “No armor.”

    That’s kind of like saying Batman can’t have his belt, there.

  19. Rookie January 25, 2015 at 3:03 am -      #19

    Starkiller may win.

  20. Psycho Toaster February 5, 2015 at 3:26 pm -      #20

    I really don’t see Samus taking this. Starkiller can block most attacks, and heavier ones can be dodged. Hey, remember that time when he force-pushed a god damn star destroyer away from a planet? He’ll crumple Samus into a ball. Much, much smaller than intended. And that’s just ranged combt. If Starkiller gets close, he can easily dance around anything Samus has to offer. Armor or no, that lightsaber are especially deadly in his hands. And this is all assuming this is Galen from game one. If it’s amped clone Starkiller, dual-wielding lightsabers, controlling minds, killing clones of himself, it’s even more of a stomp. Sorry if I sound condescending, but I tell it how I see it, and I see a mismatch.

  21. PrimusxPilus March 4, 2015 at 12:22 pm -      #21

    Well there is the fact that an out of armor punch from Samus wrecked a robot her missiles couldn’t break. I know there are calculations based on her firepower. Somebody could calculate the force of her blows to at least match those missiles. You know, since even if we decide to say their gravity is equal to earth super missiles cause earthquakes in Super Metroid. Just a thought.

  22. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 4:52 pm -      #22

    I doubt Starkiller would even put enough pressure on Samus.
    The fact that her suit can hold and casually carry around a hyperstatic hydrogen core means that it utilizes hydrogen the same way as stars do or practically a stars core. This means that the pressure is way above any of Starkiller’s feat.
    /
    There’s also the fact that her suit blocks different kinds of intangible forces so that means the force would go to Samus’ suit instead of her herself.
    The gravity suit would also ignore Starkiller lifting her up to space.
    /
    Lightsaber’s might as well be child toys in the Metroid universe.
    /
    The force can only manipulate the weak minded.
    Nevermind that Samus’ suit fought against the Ing, which can mind rape and attack the will power alongside their usual possession, and the phazon, which is capable of attacking the mind, body, and soul (along with some mindrape).
    /
    Then, there’s the fact that the force requires concentration.
    Something Samus doesn’t give.
    He wouldn’t have time to use the force since she would be spamming supersonic beams, and super missiles.
    /
    This is all with her suit mind you. I’m just arguing against Psycho Toaster.
    Without her suit, she loses.

  23. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 4:54 pm -      #23

    “(along with some mindrape)”
    /
    Suppose to say “a minor reality warping”

  24. Darth Bombad March 4, 2015 at 6:44 pm -      #24

    He He He…. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Ohhhh mercy!.

    I… i’m sorry but Metroid fans just crack me up, so now she’s powered by a star!?!.
    So since she can take damage every enemy she faces is shooting supernovas at her?.
    And since they can react to her they’re all moving at mach 10 right? Pffffffft Ha Ha Ha Ha!.

    I… i’m sorry i just…. i just can’t even say that with a straight face, and people say
    Star Wars fans don’t know what Bigatons are.

    So with the suit he T.K’s her and either crushes or just holds her still and uses his saber.
    Without the suit he kills her in any number of ways most with just a thought.
    And if its the clone than its even worse since he can T.K fight with sabers from a distance.

  25. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 7:15 pm -      #25

    “I… i’m sorry but Metroid fans just crack me up, so now she’s powered by a star!?!.”
    /
    First of all, no. That’s the arm cannon.
    Her suit is powered by willpower
    Two, I didn’t say this.
    The GAME states this.
    “The MAGMAUL, powered by a hyperstatic hydrogen core, fires cohesive projectiles of SUPERHEATED MAGMA.”
    /
    “So since she can take damage every enemy she faces is shooting supernovas at her?.”
    /
    No, it says it shoots magma superheated by a star’s core. There’s a difference.
    We never said it shoots supernovas.
    /
    “And since they can react to her they’re all moving at mach 10 right? Pffffffft Ha Ha Ha Ha!.”
    /
    I said if the enemy reacts to her beam/missiles at close range, they can react to mach 1.2 projectiles at close range.
    I don’t know where you’ve been, but I didn’t say mach 10.
    /
    “So with the suit he T.K’s her and either crushes or just holds her still and uses his saber.”
    /
    Doubtful, the t.k. would not be exerting enough pressure similar to a star’s core.
    Even without magmaul mentioned, good luck since the gravity suit would render the T.K. useless, and it still requires concentration.
    Something Samus won’t allow.
    His sabers, I repeat, are child’s toys in the Metroid universe.
    /
    She only loses without the suit here.

  26. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 7:55 pm -      #26

    “Even then, good luck since the gravity suit would render the T.K. useless, and it still requires concentration.”

    How does the gravity suit render tk useless?

  27. Nsl98 March 4, 2015 at 8:06 pm -      #27

    I’m giving the suit back…
    —-
    @Lowk

    Well, this is just going by name, but since it’s a “gravity suit”, wouldn’t that mean it makes her immune to gravity manipulation? This is just me guessing btw.

  28. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 8:07 pm -      #28

    “Then, there’s the fact that the force requires concentration.”

    You do recall that starkiller is the guy that that destroy fighters while they are shooting at him and he is freefalling at highspeed, right? Seriously the first scene after the tutorial is him falling down the side off a building blasting of large metal pieces in his way and destroying tie fighters with the force.
    He’s pretty good at concentration unless your mind punching him like Vader.

  29. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 8:10 pm -      #29

    It ignores abnormal gravitational effects whether from physical objects(water) to intangible forces from Nightmare.
    Telekinesis would be an intangible force.

  30. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 8:30 pm -      #30

    “It ignores abnormal gravitational effects whether from physical objects(water) to intangible forces from Nightmare.
    Telekinesis would be an intangible force.

    I know what it does. I have some basic knowledge of Metroid. And the bits I don’t have, description; I can find.
    I just don’t understand how it deals with rendering tk useless. I could understand how it would be useful against someone like Graviton or some forms of biotic attacks from mass effect.
    Against psionic, mystical whats it, or whatever the force is, it shouldn’t matter unless the effect it’s being used for is stated as some form of gravity manipulation.

  31. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 8:37 pm -      #31

    “You do recall that starkiller is the guy that that destroy fighters while they are shooting at him and he is freefalling at highspeed, right?”
    /
    Unless I’m missing something, highspeed wasn’t anything beyond a skydiver diving headfirst.
    /
    “Seriously the first scene after the tutorial is him falling down the side off a building blasting of large metal pieces in his way and destroying tie fighters with the force.”
    /
    Did someone calculated him to fall really fast, like bullet speed?
    I don’t think it would be honestly close, and if he was falling at bullet speed, the height he fell, is higher than the tallest building on our planet considering he fell for like around a minute.
    Kamino would have pretty tall buildings, but they don’t.
    /
    “He’s pretty good at concentration unless your mind punching him like Vader.”
    /
    Not only has Vader done it.
    Non-force user’s such as Boba Fett’s robot, Proxy, AT-ST’s, etc has done so.

  32. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 8:45 pm -      #32

    “I just don’t understand how it deals with rendering tk useless. I could understand how it would be useful against someone like Graviton or some forms of biotic attacks from mass effect.
    Against psionic, mystical whats it, or whatever the force is, it shouldn’t matter unless the effect it’s being used for is stated as some form of gravity manipulation.”
    /
    What would make telekinesis different than gravity?
    Unless I’m missing something, gravity and telekinesis are both non-physical forces on objects.
    The only difference is what is causing them.
    /
    One of the TK example that Samus’ gravity suit would not ignore is like Susan Storm’s, and she basically puts a moveable force field around you and makes it invisible, sometimes.
    That’s pretty much physical.
    What would make the force/telekinesis different.
    /
    Even if telekinesis wouldn’t be elementaly compatible, then that would leave Starkiller with holding her or sending her to space. Crushing wouldn’t be possible because of magmaul.
    Samus wouldn’t allow him to use the force by sending like 4-7 beams a second at him.

  33. Nsl98 March 4, 2015 at 8:53 pm -      #33

    How fast were Samus’ beams calculated? Starkiller can catch Tie-Fighters in his TK, while they’re speeding towards him.

  34. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 8:58 pm -      #34

    “Unless I’m missing something, highspeed wasn’t anything beyond a skydiver diving headfirst.”

    A man reached supersonic speed skydiving.
    abcnews.go.com/US/felix-baumgartner-supersonic-skydive-swimming-touching-water/story?id=17479415
    ===
    “What would make telekinesis different than gravity?”

    Probably the bit about it’s NOT being gravity. The description of suit specifically notes that it deals with gravity and the effects of gravity.
    Now if she has something that deals with psychic powers or mystical force that’d be understandable. But the gravity suit isn’t that.

  35. Friendlysociopath March 4, 2015 at 9:18 pm -      #35

    Starkiller can catch Tie-Fighters in his TK, while they’re speeding towards him.

    According to the wiki, Tie Fighters go at 1,200 km/h. That’s 745 mph. So not quite breaking Mach 1.
    And I’m correcting myself twice in one post it seems.

    Also, telekinesis is in no way similar to gravity, that’s just weird.

  36. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 9:23 pm -      #36

    I think it was around mach 1.8.
    They were based on Super Metroid using the shinespark to calculate the speed.
    Since that game allowed you to shinespark instantly, I used that to calculate the beam’s speed.
    First, I got the speed of the shinespark using Mea’s work, who was Protomind at the time.
    /
    Post 5
    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=367&sid=72cea775d9a0be7a90674e2100f11ced
    “I first had to determine where the Speed Booster activates, and then use that very spot to also use the shinespark. I won’t say it was perfect, but I tried getting the timing correctly. The Speed Booster allowed Samus to cover a certain area in 00:00:01:56. The shinespark was 00:00:01:32.

    What is the percent difference?

    1.56 – 1.32 is 0.24.

    0.24 / 1.56 is 0.15.

    Supersonic speed is Mach 1.2, which is 921.6 mph or 411.6 m/s. So, adding 15% to the speed should be 1,059.84 mph, which is between Mach 1.3 and 1.4. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to see how fast the missiles and super missiles go, but I’m going to guess that within half a millisecond it exceeds Mach 1.4. The super missile is just ridiculous, though. So yeah. Hopefully I did all of this correctly.” (Protomind)
    /
    However, he Protomind only calculated the shinespark, missile, and super missile.
    I had to calculate the beam.
    So doing what he did, I decided to use a shorter distance. I don’t know where I saved the calculation in my computer, but IIRC, it took the beam 3.2 seconds while the shine spark took 1.8 seconds using a stop watch.
    The percent difference of the beam.
    3.2-1.8=1.4

    1.4/3.2=0.4375
    So using that percentage difference in speed, I use that to calculate the speed of the beam.
    Mach 1.3*1.4375=mach 1.8
    /
    Mind you that this is a calculation. So it could be wrong. The only error that I could’ve had was bumping into the ground while shinesparking sideways, so the difference could’ve been in a frame, which would decrease the time and make the beam a little bit slower.
    This is not accounting for the fact that the beam for some reason accelerates just like the missile does.
    /
    Even without calculations, we know that the shinespark is faster than the speed booster, supersonic. Low end that would be higher than mach 1.2.
    And since the beam is faster than the shinespark, it would be above mach 1.2 as well.
    /
    This is supported by the fact that when you use the echo visor, you see mach 1-ish looking shockwaves from from the powerbeam.
    /
    “Starkiller can catch Tie-Fighters in his TK, while they’re speeding towards him.”
    /
    How fast were the Tie-Fighters moving?

  37. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 9:38 pm -      #37

    @Lowk
    “A man reached supersonic speed skydiving.”
    /
    Okay, my bad, I should’ve been specific. Felix did so from the edge of space and accelerated to that speed.
    Starkiller doesn’t exactly have that. He didn’t fall from the edge of space. He fell from a tall building.
    Air resistance would prevent him from accelerating past the speed of sound and have him fall at terminal velocity.
    /
    @Lowk/Friendlysociopath
    From what I understand, they’re both practically non-physical forces exerted on an object, with the only difference being is that one is caused by a brain and the other isn’t.

  38. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 9:51 pm -      #38

    You know what, telekinesis is fictional and doesn’t really have a true definition. After looking through the interweb, I’ll just concede that point.
    /
    This doesn’t change the fact that Starkiller would have to lift her into space for BFR or restrain her to have the lightsaber burn her for hours.
    Something Samus wouldn’t allow by sending tons of beams and missiles at him.

  39. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #39

    “I think it was around mach 1.8.”

    That might actually be do able, even by current canon force users. At least from a distance.
    Even without the pre-cog or the ability to force reflect energy, which SK has.
    ===
    “How fast were the Tie-Fighters moving?”

    Not that fast.

  40. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #40

    “Starkiller doesn’t exactly have that. He didn’t fall from the edge of space.”

    I was talking about the when he rode the spaceship down to kamino on his return and jumped out.
    ===
    “This doesn’t change the fact that Starkiller would have to lift her into space for BFR or restrain her to have the lightsaber burn her for hours.
    Something Samus wouldn’t allow by sending tons of beams and missiles at him.”

    I don’t really disagree with that part.

  41. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm -      #41

    “That might actually be do able, even by current canon force users. At least from a distance.
    Even without the pre-cog or the ability to force reflect energy, which SK has.”
    /
    What’s his reaction time and how much time does pre-cog allow him to react?
    Because in 300 meters, he would have less than a second to react.
    /
    “I was talking about the when he rode the spaceship down to kamino on his return and jumped out.”
    /
    Ah, okay. I am sorry. I thought you were referring to a different scene, and I forgot about that part.
    I will say he’s supersonic then.
    /
    “I don’t really disagree with that part.”
    /
    Basically, it’s another match-up on who hits who first…

  42. Warlock Lowk March 4, 2015 at 10:38 pm -      #42

    Not really impressive or anything, I just wanted to share how it looks like he’s just strolling, blocking some bolt, and went “oh look a tie fighter.”
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-NRyfRR8Ud4k/VIxBUONKNmI/AAAAAAAGcNA/Mi6wpM0gOuY/s1600/p1_25%2Bcopy.jpg
    ===
    “What’s his reaction time and how much time does pre-cog allow him to react?”

    I found out at 10 meters vader would needed to have around 90 millieseconds reaction to deflect blaster bolts. He and several other jedi have shown block blasters at closer range. Including SK.
    Though thats for current canon speeds. iirc Legends tends to get a little bit crazier due to EU.

  43. Alpha or Omega March 4, 2015 at 10:52 pm -      #43

    90 millisecond isn’t bad.
    With that reaction time. For him to dodge Samus beams(assuming mach 1.8 and the 90 millisecond figure is correct), the distance between Samus and Starkiller would have to be 55.1 meters and above for him to react.

  44. Nsl98 March 5, 2015 at 8:36 am -      #44

    How far away are combatants typically placed in FP fights?
    —–

  45. Friendlysociopath March 5, 2015 at 9:37 am -      #45

    How far away are combatants typically placed in FP fights?

    Honestly, being *that* specific is going a bit far; and it varies by combatant. I suppose we should look up a map of the Jedi Temple and find a big room.

  46. Nsl98 March 5, 2015 at 9:48 am -      #46

    @

    I was thinking the main room or whatever. You know, that one room shown in Episode 3 where the Clones are slaughtering stuff.

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