Venom vs Kratos

V vs K

Suggested by Nsl98

Here we have Venom (Marvel) facing off against Kratos (God of War).

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Round 1: Agent Venom

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Round 2: Eddie Brock

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Round 3: Mac Gargan

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All fights take place in Santa Barbara, CA

 

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  1. Alpha or Omega January 31, 2015 at 2:01 am -      #301

    @Ragnorke
    “He closed a blackhole, which i’m pretty sure is higher than supernova.”
    /
    By moving a collapsing star into the black hole which the black hole did the work.

  2. Warlock Lowk January 31, 2015 at 2:27 am -      #302

    “….Really, the only other person I can think of doing this is Dr. Manhattan and Magneto for only a powersuit off the top of my head. Other than that, people with telekinesis don’t have that. Though, that seems to be due to the fact that Manhattan and Magneto have control on a quantum level.”

    Jean Grey. Here are few others.
    powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Matter_Manipulation
    Seems to be a high tier sort of ability

  3. Soulerous January 31, 2015 at 2:36 am -      #303

    Aside from the Odin scan where he breaks part of the suit, there’s this with Thor.
    -These scans are also pretty cool. Though the human-like body we see may not be made of matter, the suit is one of the relatively few things we are not speculating about when we say it’s physical.
    ~
    Galactus looks mad.

  4. Ragnorke January 31, 2015 at 2:42 am -      #304

    @AoO
    “….Really, the only other person I can think of doing this is Dr. Manhattan and Magneto for only a powersuit off the top of my head. Other than that, people with telekinesis don’t have that.”

    Captain Atom… Captain Marvel… Genis Vell… Silver Surfer…. Molecule Man… Pretty much any character with molecule manipulation can change any object from one thing to another.
    Telekinesis & Molecular Manipulation are not the same thing.

    “Pretty sure that would be control over atoms and molecules which we have not seen from Mephisto.”

    I’m pretty sure it’s stated multiple times that he literally created his realm. That qualifies as far as i’m concerned.
    He may not have molecular manipulation in the mainstream-dimension, but he does in his realm.

    “An advantage or disadvantage to the standard power set or equipment. PIS can make a person more powerful or weaker.”

    But when dealing with an ambiguous character that has no defined powers or limits, who are you to say whether the writer is making him weaker or more powerful than his “standard”?
    You can’t call a showing PiS, without having any viable information on the character.

    “Basically, he can lose a bunch of times and not have PIS called out on him and win a bunch times and not have PIS called out on him.”

    Well, yea, pretty much.

    “Two, his body won’t absorb all the energy as we should see it destroy the ground.”

    Theoretically, yes, it would absorb all the energy. What on earth makes you say it wouldn’t?

    “Under a short amount of time given from a nuke, our bodies would not have time to adjust. Within a 20 psi air blast radius, we would die aside from radiation, within a 5 psi air blast radius, you would still have fatalities.
    Not accounting for the fact that the energy of the shockwaves in the shaking of a galaxy is several, several, several magnitudes higher than that of a nuke. You would still be killed along with the planet.”

    You realize the ground would be affected by the initial blast BEFORE the energy output reaches the humans right?
    If the difference is even 0.00000000000001 second, it’s still valid enough for that moment to be depicted in the picture.

    For all we know, the energy DID reach them, ,and it DID kill them.
    The planet as a whole was simply hit first (which makes perfect sense), and started collapsing first (which also makes perfect sense)

    You realize the shockwave would hit one direction of the planet face right?
    And thus if the aliens were on the other end of the planet, they would be affected AFTER the planets destruction begins.

    So honestly i have no idea why you continue bringing this up.
    It’s meaningless to the argument.

    “I’m saying these shockwaves weren’t harmful to living beings from the start of our argument.
    We see it destroy planets, but leave beings relatively unharmed.”

    Which is bullshit for the reason i stated above.

    “Perhaps Soulerous could explain this better than me but the energy to destroy stars and shake galaxies aren’t killing people and demons alike.
    I’m not saying visual evidence is contradictory.
    I’m literally saying that the energy is not killing people but destroying stars and planets.
    And it’s not just people, we see demons, and Surfer survive it.”

    Perhaps Soulerous should explain it. Because this makes no sense whatsoever.
    Humans are made of physical matter. Planets are made of physical matter. Stars are made of physical matter (parts of it anyways)
    If planets & stars are being affected, than humans are too.

    In that one picture, we see humans alive and running. But that does not constitute enough evidence for me to throw science out the window.
    Again, there’s a PERFECTLY valid & reasonable explanation for why they were still alive & running, that does NOT require me to throw logic & science out the window, and therefor that’s the explanation that we should go with.

    “With Mephisto’s realm being durable, we can literally claim that all attacks could literally make the energy Mephisto receives less than star busting.”

    I don’t see how Mephistos realm being durable has anything to do with Galactuses energy output.

    “He was crystal clear about it destroying the main universe and that the fight had been in Mephisto’s realm the whole time.”

    As i said, that only makes the fight more impressive.

    “Are you literally ignoring the fact that his suit is physical?”

    And you seem to be ignoring the fact that Galactus is a being of Energy, and that he can turn Matter into Energy, and that he has shown numerous times that his true form has nothing to do with his suit.

    So how does his Suit getting hit by things have anything to do with this debate?
    For the record, we also know Galactus can convert his suit into Energy too, whenever he pleases.

    “The more accurate example if you were to give me a hammer fist that can create a crater and I was appropriated enough to be durable enough to tank it, the downward strike would send the kinetic energy downward.”

    No, actually, that example has nothing to do with this scenario.
    Galactus created energy and was DIRECTLY targeting Mephisto.
    If Mephisto had been hit by that energy, his body would have absorbed the energy at the point of contact.
    If his body was durable enough, there would be no left over energy to effect his surrounding.

    The punch example perfectly defines this scenario.
    My body creates energy by flexing my muscles.
    This energy is then transferred directly to your body at the point of contact.
    If your body is durable enough, your molecules will adsorb the energy, leaving none left for the surrounding.

    “Ripping out a heart, does not sound like metaphysical level, unless the heart is metaphysical. Do you have proof?”

    Why wouldn’t the heart be metaphysical though…?
    Mephistos entire essence is beyond a physical body.
    It’s already proven by the scans against Doom & Strange.

    “No, consistently beating star busters part.”

    ….I “made up” him consistently beating Star Busters?
    He beat Silver Surfer about 3 times, and he beat Dr Strange around 2 or 3 times too.
    That seems rather consistent.

    “By moving a collapsing star into the black hole which the black hole did the work.”

    Black Holes don’t close when enough shit falls into them. That’s not how Black Holes work.
    The star would have only made the Black Hole bigger.
    Therefor Supernatural logic defying magic was involved.

  5. Warlock Lowk January 31, 2015 at 2:56 am -      #305

    “Therefor Supernatural logic defying magic was involved.”

    Or maybe it was a shitty blackhole that didn’t know how to do it’s job. Some black holes in comics tend to be highschool dropouts and often time don’t understand how do logic.

  6. Ragnorke January 31, 2015 at 3:30 am -      #306

    Aside from that, Strange still has great feats above Solar Busting:

    www.comicvine.com/doctor-strange/4005-1456/forums/doctor-strange-respect-thread-547971/
    www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t558052.html

    Fighting the in-betweener would be one of them.
    Taking out Galactus is another.
    Fighting Magus with a partial Infinity Gauntlet is yet another.

    “Galaxy destroying power” claim. Which honestly isn’t all too surprising considering the three fights mentioned above.
    There’s a Shaking the Universe claim somewhere too.

  7. Ragnorke January 31, 2015 at 4:25 am -      #307

    @CH1
    A while ago we had a discussion, where you claimed Mjolnir didn’t add anything to Thors physical/smacking abilities.
    You were wrong. Unless you think Loki was always a physical equal to Thor.

    i.imgur.com/yPtplst.jpg
    ladygeekgirl.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/loki-with-mjolnir.png

    Also… ^ this was by far one of the most epic moments of Axis

    Btw, does anyone know where the rest of the heroes were during all this?
    Apocolypse & Thor were the only heavy hitters… But… All the Avengers suddenly turning evil? You’d think people like Hyperion & Blue Marvel would have something to say about that.

  8. Soulerous January 31, 2015 at 8:44 am -      #308

    Humans are made of physical matter. Planets are made of physical matter. Stars are made of physical matter (parts of it anyways)
    If planets & stars are being affected, than humans are too.

    -We only got a glimpse of those humans. (I’m assuming these ones.) They may have died, but we didn’t actually see them die or survive.
    ~
    They obviously didn’t die instantly or especially close to it if at all, but as I mentioned before, we do not know that every part of the galaxies trembled. It is very possible only parts of them did, that only parts of them were affected by terrible destructive force. Perhaps the planet crumbled more slowly while the nearby celestial bodies were pulverized, or maybe that’s how it started and the next moment the planet was blown up by cosmic forces. Maybe it just shook, for what it says is “throughout the firmament the conflagration spreads, as planet after planet is shaken and storm-tossed by the awesome aftershocks.” I don’t know what happened because that part was left vague.
    ~
    I do know seeing them for one scene that chronologically takes place mid-fight is not confirmation that they ended up surviving, but it is confirmation that not everything was affected by the full destructive might being flung around simultaneously. It neither reduces the forces we know or nor makes it illogical. It simply makes the forces inconsistent in spread.
    ~
    At the end of the fight we can see there are demons left alive, clutching rocks and looking rather relieved that the fighting stopped, at least to me. More important than the demons, however, is Mephisto’s entire realm. It’s intact. There are rocks and pieces of land, and a lot of it- especially where Galactus is standing- is molten. This means that Mephisto did not regenerate the untold light-years of it that would have been annihilated had it been fully exposed to the energies being discussed. Rather, it must have been exposed to some of them, and not less than some, else it would not be molten at all.
    ~
    It amounts to the same thing: We never actually see Mephisto tank the energy, and it is not illogical that he didn’t. If I’m missing the point of what you’re discussing then I apologize. I haven’t had time to read everything.

  9. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 31, 2015 at 10:58 am -      #309

    “You were wrong.”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/462/83017-176623-mjolnir.jpg

    Loki had Thor’s powers by wielding MJOLNIR, so by proxy he gained a huge strength boost. Thor himself never gains any physical boost, if he did, it’d make the whole “power of Thor” thing moot since he wouldn’t have any powers.

  10. Ragnorke January 31, 2015 at 11:19 pm -      #310

    @Soulerous
    “If I’m missing the point of what you’re discussing then I apologize. I haven’t had time to read everything.”

    AoO is trying to say something along the lines of: The energy doesn’t effect living things, because we don’t see it effect living things.
    But he has yet to prove it, and he has yet to make a solid ground to continue that argument.

    He believes you would do a better job at explaining what he means, so go ahead and give it a shot if you agree.

    “Rather, it must have been exposed to some of them, and not less than some, else it would not be molten at all.”

    The 4 immediate explanations that come to mind are:
    1. Mephisto did infact deflect the attacks, and thus nothing in the immediate vicinity was destroyed.
    2. Mephistos realm is simply more durable.
    3. Mephisto has absolute control & molecular manipulation in his realm, so it could have simply been recovered, or he could have stopped it from getting destroyed in the first place.
    4. Visual evidence was simply incorrect. As it doesn’t hold enough ground for us to ignore a statement made by a character with cosmic

  11. Ragnorke January 31, 2015 at 11:27 pm -      #311

    @CH1
    “Loki had Thor’s powers by wielding MJOLNIR, so by proxy he gained a huge strength boost. Thor himself never gains any physical boost, if he did, it’d make the whole “power of Thor” thing moot since he wouldn’t have any powers.”

    Or it just takes a huge strip of Thors powers away from him when he doesn’t have it.
    And thus he gains them back when wielding Mjolnir.
    You seem extraordinarily confident when you say “Thor himself never gains any physical boost” but i really don’t see any basis for that. If anything, all his feats seem to show otherwise.

    The “Power of Thor” could be defined as the power of the god of Thunder. Which Thor doesn’t have without Mjolnir.
    It doesn’t necessarily mean “Power of Thors physical strength”

    Granted it’s a huge possibility that it doesn’t enhance physical strength, it still WOULD enhance striking power.
    Striking power is more kinetic energy than it is Force. And we know without a shadow of a doubt Mjolnir gives a massive boost to Energy output.

  12. Soulerous January 31, 2015 at 11:40 pm -      #312

    The energy doesn’t effect living things, because we don’t see it effect living things.
    -I don’t think it’s a matter of it not affecting living things, but it is a matter of it not getting the chance to affect all things.
    ~
    The 4 immediate explanations that come to mind are:
    -I favor the first, but as ever, the downfall is we don’t know the truth anyway and anything could be true.

  13. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 1, 2015 at 12:09 am -      #313

    “Or it just takes a huge strip of Thors powers away from him when he doesn’t have it.”

    There’s only a handful of powers MJOLNIR actually gives him, strength isn’t one of them.
    =
    “You seem extraordinarily confident when you say ‘Thor himself never gains any physical boost’ but i really don’t see any basis for that.”

    Because it doesn’t. If Thor didn’t have any powers then having MJOLNIR would just give you the power of a normal Asgardian(which would be pointless for Loki)or if it was MJOLNIR that granted the powers you might as well say “Whosoever wields this hammer shall gain the powers of MJOLNIR.”
    =
    ” If anything, all his feats seem to show otherwise.”

    99.999999999999999% of Thor’s showings are with MJOLNIR, not really a fair thing to say when the character involved is basically one with a weapon. The only time I can think of of Thor TRYING to do something impressive without MJOLNIR he closed a dimensional rift… Or destroying a force field made by the SS, which while it has no feats(that I know of)probably should be at least as durable as he his(otherwise there’s not point to it). Or when he dented SS with a headbutt…
    =
    “The ‘Power of Thor’ could be defined as the power of the god of Thunder.”

    Then what’s the point of saying Thor if it was just “God of Thunder.” If that’s what they wanted it to mean they easily could’ve said that.
    =
    “Which Thor doesn’t have without Mjolnir.”

    Passed Thor vs Gorr shoots him with lightning…

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111143187/4006925-467972_10102956336065641_498665634_o.jpg
    =
    “It doesn’t necessarily mean “Power of Thors physical strength””

    “The power of Thor” would still include Thor’s powers, not just a specific set. Again, if that’s what they meant they easily could’ve phrased it to mean that.
    =
    “Granted it’s a huge possibility that it doesn’t enhance physical strength,”

    Doesn’t.
    =
    ” it still WOULD enhance striking power.”

    Pretty sure I agreed to that. In fact, to quote myself: “I’m going to assume you mean as much as a bat would a man.” because I wasn’t 100% sure you were saying, and still thought you were trying to say what you’re currently saying…
    =
    “And we know without a shadow of a doubt Mjolnir gives a massive boost to Energy output.”

    Explain…?

  14. Ragnorke February 1, 2015 at 12:37 am -      #314

    @CH1
    “There’s only a handful of powers MJOLNIR actually gives him, strength isn’t one of them.”

    Oh it definitely gives him more than 5 powers.

    “*Past Thor vs Gorr shoots him with lightning…”

    I was under the impression Current Thor did that.
    You can clearly see him with Mjolnir up in the air.

    “Explain…?”

    Mjolnir gives him the ability to create more energy, amp more energy, and manipulate more energy than he otherwise can.

    Hitting something IS actually a transfer of Energy, in its most basic form.
    I have no reason to think Thors smacks don’t get amped by Mjolnirs powers.

    “Pretty sure I agreed to that. In fact, to quote myself: “I’m going to assume you mean as much as a bat would a man.””

    That and more.
    Bats don’t give us power to create more energy.

    @Soulerous
    ” don’t think it’s a matter of it not affecting living things, but it is a matter of it not getting the chance to affect all things.”

    Tell that to AoO

  15. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 1, 2015 at 1:09 am -      #315

    “Oh it definitely gives him more than 5 powers.”

    Transmutation, teleportation, time control, force field projection. Maybe some more.

    Anything physical, weather control, and flying all his own. So, yea, not most, but definitely not the core ones he uses most of the time.

    s989.photobucket.com/user/RageOfOlympus/media/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirInSpace1.jpg.html

    Flying. Already showed lightning.
    =
    “I was under the impression Current Thor did that.”

    It was a flashback to when Thor did that to him, then it goes back to modern day Thor. You can tell by the fact Gorr doesn’t know who he was, and the fact that he’s falling while knocked out and then suddenly he’s doing a swing, and you can see him without MJOLNIR in the other panels. And he suddenly gains a hammer.
    =
    “I have no reason to think Thors smacks don’t get amped by Mjolnirs powers.”

    And you have no reason to think he does. Especially considering Thor has never used MJOLNIR like that without it being obvious(i.e. when he uses lightning in his blows). Unless you have scans of Thor using MJOLNIR in the way you’re suggesting.

  16. Ragnorke February 1, 2015 at 2:24 am -      #316

    “And you have no reason to think he does. ”

    Aside from the magical lightning that appears whenever he hits anything with it?

    “Especially considering Thor has never used MJOLNIR like that without it being obvious(i.e. when he uses lightning in his blows). ”

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but he DID have lightning on his blows during the God Bomb feat, didn’t he?
    That makes it clear he was using Energy Manipulation/Amplification at the time.

  17. Ragnorke February 1, 2015 at 2:39 am -      #317

    “Transmutation, teleportation, time control, force field projection. Maybe some more.”

    marvel.wikia.com/Mjolnir

    That’s 28 different powers.
    About 10 of them revolve around Energy amping.

  18. Alpha or Omega February 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm -      #318

    @Ragnorke
    “Captain Atom… Captain Marvel… Genis Vell… Silver Surfer…. Molecule Man… Pretty much any character with molecule manipulation can change any object from one thing to another.
    Telekinesis & Molecular Manipulation are not the same thing.”
    /
    Except we are talking about control right?
    That would fall under telekinesis.
    Quantum manipulation would just be a better version of it.
    /
    “I’m pretty sure it’s stated multiple times that he literally created his realm. That qualifies as far as i’m concerned.
    He may not have molecular manipulation in the mainstream-dimension, but he does in his realm.”
    /
    “But when dealing with an ambiguous character that has no defined powers or limits, who are you to say whether the writer is making him weaker or more powerful than his “standard”?
    You can’t call a showing PiS, without having any viable information on the character.”
    /
    Yeah we can. We don’t have a defined power or limit. Basically, the writers can make him do anything for Plot
    /
    “Well, yea, pretty much.”
    /
    I had a typo there. He can lose a bunch of times and not have pis called on him.
    /
    “Theoretically, yes, it would absorb all the energy. What on earth makes you say it wouldn’t?”
    /
    When we see it hit the ground, it wasn’t direct.
    I don’t see why Mephisto would absorb all of it if it came to him.
    /
    “You realize the ground would be affected by the initial blast BEFORE the energy output reaches the humans right?
    If the difference is even 0.00000000000001 second, it’s still valid enough for that moment to be depicted in the picture.”
    /
    Right, but as we see in the picture with the planet being destroyed, we see that it hit the ground as well as the tall rock formations so we should know that it should hit the people as well.
    /
    “For all we know, the energy DID reach them, ,and it DID kill them.
    The planet as a whole was simply hit first (which makes perfect sense), and started collapsing first (which also makes perfect sense)”
    /
    Which they have had enough time to look in horror and start running.
    /
    “You realize the shockwave would hit one direction of the planet face right?
    And thus if the aliens were on the other end of the planet, they would be affected AFTER the planets destruction begins.”
    /
    It matters little if the shockwave hit one side of the planet. This is the same shockwave that is able to cross galaxies. There should be a little timeframe for them to live since the shockwaves would reach them too. Yet, we see that they are running and looking in horror meaning they had time to recognize the threat
    /
    “So honestly i have no idea why you continue bringing this up.
    It’s meaningless to the argument.”
    /
    My point is that shockwaves that don’t kill demons and people means that Mephisto wasn’t harmed in any way.
    /
    “Which is bullshit for the reason i stated above.”
    /
    Which is not as I said before, writers don’t take account that shockwaves kill people.
    /
    /
    “Perhaps Soulerous should explain it. Because this makes no sense whatsoever.
    Humans are made of physical matter. Planets are made of physical matter. Stars are made of physical matter (parts of it anyways)
    If planets & stars are being affected, than humans are too.”
    /
    Which would be the logical stance, but we don’t exactly see the same for demons and humans, no?
    /
    “In that one picture, we see humans alive and running. But that does not constitute enough evidence for me to throw science out the window.
    Again, there’s a PERFECTLY valid & reasonable explanation for why they were still alive & running, that does NOT require me to throw logic & science out the window, and therefor that’s the explanation that we should go with.”
    /
    But that throws enough logic to stand that Mephisto would survive the shockwave since people and demons aren’t being harmed
    /
    “I don’t see how Mephistos realm being durable has anything to do with Galactuses energy output.”
    /
    From what we see, Galactus’ energy beams aren’t galaxy busting in his realm like when it hit the ground with the demon.
    We can claim that Mephisto is being hit by something several magnitudes less than Galactus’ usual attacks.
    /
    “As i said, that only makes the fight more impressive.”
    /
    Or less for Mephisto since Mephisto wouldn’t be hit by the shockwaves anyway since he’s not in the main universe.
    /
    “And you seem to be ignoring the fact that Galactus is a being of Energy, and that he can turn Matter into Energy, and that he has shown numerous times that his true form has nothing to do with his suit.”
    /
    I haven’t been ignoring that Galactus is a being of energy, you seem to be ignoring the fact that his suit is physical and can be hit.
    /
    “So how does his Suit getting hit by things have anything to do with this debate?”
    /
    For Mephisto hitting him, if he ever did, which has more to do with with suit that him being of energy.
    We are debating this since we are talking about whether or not Mephisto is made of energy too similar to Galactus.
    /
    “For the record, we also know Galactus can convert his suit into Energy too, whenever he pleases.”
    /
    Why would he turn his suit into energy?
    /
    “No, actually, that example has nothing to do with this scenario.
    Galactus created energy and was DIRECTLY targeting Mephisto.
    If Mephisto had been hit by that energy, his body would have absorbed the energy at the point of contact.
    If his body was durable enough, there would be no left over energy to effect his surrounding.”
    /
    Durable or not, the energy would go to the ground because there is already energy in Mephisto.
    I doesn’t even matter if it was targeting Mephisto or not at this point as we see the energy hit the ground, it’s not really that impressive,
    /
    “The punch example perfectly defines this scenario.”
    /
    Except the hammerfist example is more accurate since Galactus is aiming down at him.
    /
    My body creates energy by flexing my muscles.
    This energy is then transferred directly to your body at the point of contact.
    If your body is durable enough, your molecules will adsorb the energy, leaving none left for the surrounding.”
    /
    Except
    If I was punched, wherever I was hit, I would still move back because of the kinetic energy.
    /
    “Why wouldn’t the heart be metaphysical though…?”
    /
    Do you have proof that the heart is metaphysical?
    You would have to prove that Ghost Rider’s heart rip is metaphysical and the same for Black Panther.
    Or, you would need proof that says he is metaphysical, and I will drop it.
    /
    “Mephistos entire essence is beyond a physical body.
    It’s already proven by the scans against Doom & Strange.”
    /
    How is Doom & Strange vs Mephisto show that his body is metaphysical?
    /
    “….I “made up” him consistently beating Star Busters?
    He beat Silver Surfer about 3 times, and he beat Dr Strange around 2 or 3 times too.
    That seems rather consistent.”
    /
    Goddang it
    You know what I meant.
    Beating star busting characters consistently means that you’re as durable and powerful as them part.
    /
    “Black Holes don’t close when enough shit falls into them. That’s not how Black Holes work.
    The star would have only made the Black Hole bigger.
    Therefor Supernatural logic defying magic was involved.”
    /
    Actually, the scan with Strange moving the collapsing star says that the black hole did the work.

  19. Ragnorke February 2, 2015 at 1:18 am -      #319

    @AoO
    “Yeah we can. We don’t have a defined power or limit. Basically, the writers can make him do anything for Plot”

    If we have no defined powers or limits, than anything the character does is valid, and can’t be called “stupidity”.
    How can their feats be called PiS, without any grounds for that?

    Calling something PiS needs to be backed up. You can’t just go around calling ANYTHING PiS without having a reason to do so.

    “Right, but as we see in the picture with the planet being destroyed, we see that it hit the ground as well as the tall rock formations so we should know that it should hit the people as well.”

    It could have hit the planet on the other side of the planet, the after effect would have created a planetary level earthquake before the energy itself reached the people.
    Thus the rock formations would begin falling apart and etc.
    It makes perfect sense.

    “Which they have had enough time to look in horror and start running.”

    Why not…?
    What on earth makes you say the Energy would

  20. Ragnorke February 2, 2015 at 2:07 am -      #320

    ^ continued from above.

    What on earth makes you say the Energy would instantly vaporize all of them?

    “It matters little if the shockwave hit one side of the planet. This is the same shockwave that is able to cross galaxies. There should be a little timeframe for them to live since the shockwaves would reach them too. Yet, we see that they are running and looking in horror meaning they had time to recognize the threat”

    1. The shockwaves could have been so far from source, that they just managed to hit a side of a planet before dying out.
    2. The shockwaves could have been so far from the source, that they had enough energy to shake a planet (resulting in planet-wide earthquakes), but not enough concentrated energy to vaporize the individuals on it.
    3. The shockwaves could have been so far from the source, that they simply got slow. Thus causing the planetary earthquakes before vaporizing the people on it.

    ^ literally all three of those are perfectly viable.
    And there’s a dozen more nitpicks that would make perfect sense.
    STOP saying “oh, people survived it, so it wasn’t as powerful as stated”
    Soulerous agrees with me here btw.

    “From what we see, Galactus’ energy beams aren’t galaxy busting in his realm like when it hit the ground with the demon”

    But their fight DID still destroy stars & shake galaxies. So what’s your point?
    What we see isn’t nearly as important as what a character with Cosmic Awareness states happened. (keep in mind it wasn’t a claim, it was a current tense statement)

    “Or less for Mephisto since Mephisto wouldn’t be hit by the shockwaves anyway since he’s not in the main universe.”

    The fact that they created shockwaves of that magnitude in a completely different realm only makes the fight more impressive, and means the energy output of the characters was even higher.

    “For Mephisto hitting him, if he ever did, which has more to do with with suit that him being of energy.”

    Why does it matter if Mephisto hit Galactus or not…?
    We know they’re capable of harming each other, otherwise there wouldn’t have been any fight at all.
    If Mephisto couldn’t hurt Galactus, Galactus woulda just “lol no-ed” him and taken his Heralds.

    “We are debating this since we are talking about whether or not Mephisto is made of energy too similar to Galactus.”

    We already know Mephisto is metaphysical from the Doom/Strange scans.

    “Durable or not, the energy would go to the ground because there is already energy in Mephisto.”

    ^ This makes no sense. At all. Whatsoever.

    “If I was punched, wherever I was hit, I would still move back because of the kinetic energy.”

    Yea… If you’re a weak pussy…
    If you’re durable enough, your molecules would absorb the energy and be unhindered.
    If you aren’t durable enough, you would move back.

    “You would have to prove that Ghost Rider’s heart rip is metaphysical and the same for Black Panther.”

    The black panther thing happened on Earth, while Mephisto was depowered.
    And this is the same black panther that put a FTL planet buster on a choke hold.

    “How is Doom & Strange vs Mephisto show that his body is metaphysical?”

    s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsMephisto10.jpg.html
    s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsMephisto11.jpg.html

    1. He doesn’t look physical at all. Looks A LOT like plasma. But appearance doesn’t mean much i suppose.
    2. Doom says “he beings once more to take on bodily form”, implying he isn’t limited to a physical body.
    3. After “destroying” his body with anti-matter, he instantly recreated his form with a burst of heat/light. Which is Energy.
    4. Strange says mephistos inside is just fire & heat, implying he’s Plasma rather than physical.

    “Actually, the scan with Strange moving the collapsing star says that the black hole did the work.”

    Strange still has way better feats.

  21. Soulerous February 2, 2015 at 4:46 am -      #321

    Which would be the logical stance, but we don’t exactly see the same for demons and humans, no?
    -While that is true, we also do not see the land under and around the humans (or human-like aliens) being burned or disintegrated. It is splitting and crumbling, apparently from kinetic force. In the background of the panel in question is a large bolt of energy, looking like a massive lightning strike. We are shown no great wave of force that would blanket the planet and damage the whole surface.
    ~
    If the energy is applied to a specific part of the planet then free objects are safe from it, only being in danger from the environmental effects. This is the case with the people. The energy is not inconsistent in what object types it affects; as I said in post #308, it is inconsistent in spread.
    ~
    I don’t think it ever touched the demons, same with Mephisto, except for one. We see these demons escape successfully, save the one shown in black silhouette in the back. It’s probably about to disintegrate. We get to see the moment before it does.

  22. Alpha or Omega February 2, 2015 at 4:32 pm -      #322

    Alright, I’ll drop the argument for now since we don’t know that it touched Mephisto or not and that I conceded to the scene where we see Mephisto physically taking blast from Strange and Doom.
    /
    I disagree with some of the points, but it matters little if they’re right or wrong since it refers to matter manipulation and the shockwaves instead of the fight with Strange and Doom that shows durability.

  23. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 5, 2015 at 1:07 am -      #323

    “Aside from the magical lightning that appears whenever he hits anything with it?”

    Doesn’t actually appear all the time…

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126195/3291996-4180709447-QiyJA.jpg

    No lightning, and it’s definitely one of Thor’s stronger blows(since quite literally his bones were shattering from how hard he was hitting Gorr).
    =
    “Correct me if i’m wrong, but he DID have lightning on his blows during the God Bomb feat, didn’t he?”

    Yea, what difference does that make though? It’s not like it’s something he can only do when he has two MJOLNIRs(which was the original argument, that two MJOLNIRs in and of themselves amped Thor’s strength and him absorbing kinetic energy to amp his strikes).
    =
    “That makes it clear he was using Energy Manipulation/Amplification at the time.”

    And what’s stopping Thor from doing that whenever? Again, the original argument was about MJOLNIR amping his strength and absorbing kinetic energy to amp his strength, not about him amping it up with lightning, which as I said before, unless it’s obvious, we have no reason to believe he’s amping his strikes unless there’s mention of it being amped or if it’s blatantly obvious(like him having lightning in his strikes).
    =
    “That’s 28 different powers.
    About 10 of them revolve around Energy amping.”

    Most of those can just be categorized into one power. Cosmic energy, energy absorption, energy redirection, energy sensing, energy projection, negation of mystic energy, are all just energy manipulation. And some of those we’ve seen Thor control without MJOLNIR.

  24. Ragnorke February 5, 2015 at 1:31 am -      #324

    “Yea, what difference does that make though? It’s not like it’s something he can only do when he has two MJOLNIRs(which was the original argument, that two MJOLNIRs in and of themselves amped Thor’s strength and him absorbing kinetic energy to amp his strikes).”

    – The lightning around the blows means he was using Mjolnirs power at the time.
    – That means Mjolnirs power was allowing him to hit harder.
    – That means 2 Mjolnirs would give him twice that amount of power.
    – That means he would bit hitting harder.

    “And what’s stopping Thor from doing that whenever?”

    Because he doesn’t have 2 Mjolnirs whenever.

    ” And some of those we’ve seen Thor control without MJOLNIR.”

    Thor having done some of those things without Mjolnir doesn’t mean Mjolnir doesn’t enhance that power.
    And thus, 2 Mjolnirs would enhance that power twice as much.

  25. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 5, 2015 at 1:38 am -      #325

    “– The lightning around the blows means he was using Mjolnirs power at the time.”

    He was using his own powers, not MJOLNIR’s, again, he can summon lightning whenever.
    =
    “– That means Mjolnirs power was allowing him to hit harder.”

    Again, not MJOLNIR’s power.
    =
    “– That means 2 Mjolnirs would give him twice that amount of power.”

    The specific strike that was mentioned to shake stars was only one MJOLNIR hitting it, not both. They all are until the end when he decides to absorb the bomb into himself, and by that time the lightning went away.
    =
    “– That means he would bit hitting harder.”

    It doesn’t change the fact that Thor can do that whenever he feels like it. One MJOLNIR or two, he can still strike his hammer with lightning.
    =
    “Because he doesn’t have 2 Mjolnirs whenever.”

    And that’s relevant how?
    =
    “Thor having done some of those things without Mjolnir doesn’t mean Mjolnir doesn’t enhance that power.”

    You’d have to prove that MJOLNIR enhances those powers though.
    =
    “And thus, 2 Mjolnirs would enhance that power twice as much.”

    Not until you prove that it does in the first place.

  26. Psycho Toaster February 5, 2015 at 3:20 pm -      #326

    Take all three Venoms, multiply by 10, and Kratos still solos effortlessly. I don’t see any of these slimy little pukes taking on the God of War. Literally every attribute is miles ahead of any Venom. ‘Nuff said.

  27. Warlock Lowk February 5, 2015 at 3:38 pm -      #327

    “Take all three Venoms, multiply by 10, and Kratos still solos effortlessly. I don’t see any of these slimy little pukes taking on the God of War. Literally every attribute is miles ahead of any Venom. ‘Nuff said.”

    Kratos only real attribute here that gives him any advantage is his strength.

  28. Psycho Toaster February 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm -      #328

    Take all three Venoms, multiply by 10, and Kratos still solos effortlessly. I don’t see any of these slimy little pukes taking on the God of War. Literally every attribute is miles ahead of any Venom. ‘Nuff said.

    “Kratos only real attribute here that gives him any advantage is his strength.”
    _

    Really? Could you show me an example of Venom moving faster of taking harder hits that Kratos? That would earn him some newfound respect from me.

  29. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 8:20 pm -      #329

    Sorry about the way late reply ^_^’ works been tough. anyway the points i was trying to state were kratos flesh is harder then metal(furry feat,deimos gauntlet and the mace he took). ‘got at minimum a mach 2.33 + RT(zeus flight speed in GoW 2/Are’s feat in gow 1) an “lightning timing” if we go by word of god( often disputed because it used a cgi trailer and not game play, but its a double standard to ignore it and accept the “pebbles” thing or kratos “waist that most women want” from the art crew when the heads of the games confirmed the lightning rt)
    —–
    Anyway, venom got any poly-morph resistances? hades claws could just summon a gorgon for petrification.

  30. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 8:39 pm -      #330

    also not sure if it count’s but kratos was able to react to helios chariot and hit it with an Olympian balista
    —–
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnChgBxsNwA

    @8:20 and on

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Baq8OT1Intg
    ——
    ^@3:56 and on narator confirms helios flies around the world every day.
    ——
    oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/god-of-war-4/thumb/4/43/GoW-0943.jpg/468px-GoW-0943.jpg
    —–
    ^and final nail in the coffin, just so it’s not a broken record. a year or two a go people on factile argued the earth in GoW verse was flat. however in game(main story,first play through) in god of war acension, you can find this pretty pic showing the god of war earth is our earth.
    —-
    going by this kratos rt(reaction time) could shoot up to mach 28.

  31. Friendlysociopath February 6, 2015 at 10:18 pm -      #331

    Really? Could you show me an example of Venom moving faster of taking harder hits that Kratos? That would earn him some newfound respect from me.

    Venom can match Spiderman, who casually runs around at nearly Mach 2. And can react to lightspeed attacks thanks to his precog. You might have to jump back to page 1 or 2 to see Venom stuff, this thread derailed after a bit.

  32. Nsl98 February 6, 2015 at 10:50 pm -      #332

    Psycho Toaster. Kratos wanker? Or simply uneducated on Kratos’s exploits on this site?

  33. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 10:55 pm -      #333

    @Friendlysociopath
    “Venom can match Spiderman, who casually runs around at nearly Mach 2″
    —-
    ^so kratos is faster? his minimum is literally above mach 2 canonically.
    —–
    *edit* sorry but the light speed pre cong thing is bull, considering quick silver kicked a mutants a$$ who had that power.static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149056/3927671-quicksilver+vs+mister+x.jpg

  34. Friendlysociopath February 6, 2015 at 10:58 pm -      #334

    @ns
    Hey now, that was needlessly antagonistic.

    That said, the Helios chariot feat doesn’t look anywhere near significant speed.
    Moving in a straight line (as the sun does) always has allowed for greater speed than curving and dodging, like in that scene.

    sorry but the light speed pre cong thing is bull

    Ragnorke has nearly an entire page of feats where Spiderman does exactly that, repeatedly. I kid you not, he took nearly an entire comment page up with Spiderman reaction feats. I forget what thread they’re on though.

  35. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 11:05 pm -      #335

    @Friendlysociopath
    note that the fire steeds were draging a small chariot this time as opposed the a non aero dynamic city sized temple they usually move everyday.
    —–
    img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100227123631/godofwar/images/d/dc/6a00d83505e2d853ef00e54f2638ad8834-500wi.jpg
    —-
    ^battle chariot
    —–

    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100728075953/godofwar/images/9/9f/Temple.jpg
    ——
    ^the old chariot that was city sized
    —–
    If anything they should be going faster being unburdened/more aerodynamic. kratos reacted and tagged it.

  36. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 11:09 pm -      #336

    @Friendlysociopath
    “Ragnorke has nearly an entire page of feats where Spiderman does exactly that, repeatedly. I kid you not, he took nearly an entire comment page up with Spiderman reaction feats. I forget what thread they’re on though.”
    —–
    ^maybe one burst attack but if its multiple in quick enough succession pre cog is kinda useless, especially if the speed difference is huge enough.

  37. Nsl98 February 6, 2015 at 11:12 pm -      #337

    @ns
    “Hey now, that was needlessly antagonistic.”

    —–

    @Sociopath You’re right

    @Psycho Sorry man, its just I’ve read many many old threads where some random dude came and claimed “Kratos is blah blah, Dante is blah blah, Link can blah blah.”. I will be peacable now.

    —–
    So like, Kratos can’t swing at mach speeds, can he? Venom is a casual bullet timer in any incarnation, and has been shown to blitz Spidey on occasion.

    —-

    Even disregarding light speed pre-cog, that’s faster than what Kratos has been shown to do.

  38. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 11:17 pm -      #338

    @Nsl98
    he hit helios chariot that goes a minimum of mach 28, reacts easily to zues’s charges and counters them when zeus flies at mach 2+ minimum(god of war 2), two sepertae words of god say kratos can react to lightning but its highly refuted here so i’ll leave that out. and kratos can use thought based magic that can polymorh/create numerous minions(soul summon ) thus no movement on his part required.
    ——
    I think kratos rt is better.

  39. Alpha or Omega February 6, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #339

    Neither Kratos nor the Chariots are that fast.
    I would like to see your calculations, and the proof you used for your calculations if you did indeed prove it.

  40. Rhododendron February 6, 2015 at 11:34 pm -      #340

    @Alpha or Omega
    if your gonna use the “doesn’t look fast” argument thats a fallcy. anyway post 330 has the narrator blatantly stating helios does this. second he gets a quicker/smaller chariot in gow 3. anyway obsever them selves gave the calc but used it to support their “flat earth” gow verse theory say that he should of been blitzing titans if it was true( how quick you’d take to go around the equator in 12 hours or half a day). god of war ascension blatantly shows that their earth is ours however so the calc can be taken as true(see same post), it also tags with the “reactions of a god” thing stated by the creators.
    .

  41. Alpha or Omega February 7, 2015 at 12:12 am -      #341

    “if your gonna use the “doesn’t look fast” argument thats a fallcy.”
    /
    It’s also fallacy to say that he’s going at x speed even though he doesn’t look like it without proof.
    /
    “anyway post 330 has the narrator blatantly stating helios does this. second he gets a quicker/smaller chariot in gow 3″
    /
    Across the “sky” with no time frame given.
    Even if we assume it to be the world, in 24 hours, that would be mach 1.36
    equator/day
    40075 kilometers/24 hours=
    40075000 m/86400s=
    463.83… m/s
    In order to get mach speed, we divide by 340 m/s to get it.
    463.83… m/s / 340.29…m/s(speed of sound or mach 1)=
    mach 1.36
    This is being generous and very assumptious.
    I’m assuming he’s flying across the equator of the world instead of the vague “sky” statement.
    I’m also assuming that the world’s not moving and that he’s not going against the rotation of the earth.
    This calc also assumes he doesn’t fly in some other zonal direction, which would make the distance less than the equator.
    I’m also giving him a day instead of everyday which just leaves it vague.
    He could travel across the world and take longer, and the every day statement would still ring true.
    /
    “anyway obsever them selves gave the calc but used it to support their “flat earth” gow verse theory say that he should of been blitzing titans if it was true( how quick you’d take to go around the equator in 12 hours or half a day). god of war ascension blatantly shows that their earth is ours however so the calc can be taken as true(see same post),”
    /
    I would like to see proof that he went across the equator in 12 hours instead of some other zonal direction.
    In fact, prove that moving across the sky equates to moving around the planet.
    /
    ” it also tags with the “reactions of a god” thing stated by the creators.”
    /
    We went over this.
    The question basically goes can Kratos dodge lightning?
    The answer the devs give?
    They didn’t say yes or no. They said he does this in the game. The same game where the lightning goes slower than our lightning.

  42. Rhododendron February 7, 2015 at 12:13 am -      #342

    @alpha
    well I did post evidence with narration as well. I’m also gonna post other speed feats as well later if you’d like. so again does venom have poly-morph resistance? if not soul summon of hades claws could be a simple finisher: godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_Summon . stone-> smash ->win

    —–
    *edit* Happy birthday to me woo! :)

  43. Alpha or Omega February 7, 2015 at 12:23 am -      #343

    @Rhodo
    “well I did post evidence with narration as well. I’m also gonna post other speed feats as well later if you’d like.”
    /
    The narrator practically said that Helios moves across the sky everyday, not move around the world in a day.
    /
    “so again does venom have poly-morph resistance? if not soul summon of hades claws could be a simple finisher:
    stone-> smash ->win”
    /
    A little bit nit-picky but
    Petrification=/=Polymorph
    Anyway, Venom doesn’t need petrification resistance or immunity since regular enemies can break out of it.
    The Venom symbiote can survive as separate bits so breaking Venom in statue form will only delay him breaking free.
    There’s also the fact that Agent Venom will just shoot him before that happens, or the other Venoms will just web him.
    /
    “*edit* Happy birthday to me woo! ”
    /
    Happy Birthday.

  44. Rhododendron February 7, 2015 at 12:35 am -      #344

    @Alpha or Omega
    Welp, time to dig threw some old rants in pit vs kratos -_-‘ lol, anyway wouldn’t it be 12 hours. since thats the day night cycle at that area of earth but eh, anyway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT77KlL21_I
    —–
    ^@0:37 and on it take about 5 seconds for them to get to the could line which i calced on akuma vs kratos at about mach 2
    —–
    “Conisidering this: uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070601011257AA7kgXs www.convert-me.com/en/convert/speed the absolute low end puts the punch at mach 1.165-mach 3.586 + as a hiogh end. so yeah supersonic(not every fiction adds things like sonic booms it could just been a development error)”
    —-\
    the lightning feat in both those is reffrenced by the asker via this : www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQtKfbvabY4 to which the devs do not say this lightning is different in anyway to in game versions.

  45. Rhododendron February 7, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #345

    @Alpha or Omega
    I’ll post more, but i got work tomorrow so you’ll have to be patient,
    —–
    “since regular enemies can break out of it.”
    —–
    ^Oh, you mean those magic, enchanted beings which both venom is not? yeah, proofs on you for that one.
    —-
    “The Venom symbiote can survive as separate bits so breaking Venom in statue form will only delay him breaking free”
    —–
    ^so he can assemble himself after being smashed to dust and them spreading in the wind. let alone each individual speck having to break out of its stone form. btw many normal humans like the Argonauts in gow2 were permanently pertifide.
    —-
    i’d think that’d count as a TKO.

  46. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets February 7, 2015 at 1:03 am -      #346

    “sorry but the light speed pre cong thing is bull,”

    Too bad, it happened.
    =
    ” considering quick silver kicked a mutants a$$ who had that ”

    Completely separate character with completely separate feats with completely separate physical stats. What makes Spidey able to do it is his physical stats plus his precog are good enough to all him to do so. Comparing another random character to Spidey isn’t enough to dismiss it.
    =
    “^maybe one burst attack but if its multiple in quick enough succession pre cog is kinda useless, especially if the speed difference is huge enough.”

    You’re assuming the character QS speedblitzed is as fast as Spidey and that his precog is as good as Spidey’s.

  47. Alpha or Omega February 7, 2015 at 1:12 am -      #347

    @Rhodo
    “Welp, time to dig threw some old rants in pit vs kratos -_-‘ lol, anyway wouldn’t it be 12 hours. since thats the day night cycle at that area of earth but eh, anyway:”
    /
    With basically a shorter version of the counter arguments from the same Pit vs Kratos
    A day can be used as 24 hours since people refer to 24 hours that as a day as well. Commonly I might add. If you want to say that Helios determines the day cycle by traveling across the sky, then time would not be quantifiable and you would be unable to calculate speed.
    Nevermind that the narrator said every day so it could be in a week and that would still fit the “flying across the sky everyday” statement.
    /
    Then, here’s the distance part. There’s the bit with the “sky” part.
    How did you get “around the world” with “across the sky”?
    Also, why do you assume he traveled across the equator when any zonal direction(east to west) would do?
    Then, there’s also the fact that he could go against the rotation of the planet.
    /
    “0:37 and on it take about 5 seconds for them to get to the could line which i calced on akuma vs kratos at about mach 2″
    /
    0:39 to 47 seconds is 8 seconds.
    As we said before in the same thread with the same arguments, assumptions.
    They are obviously the cumulonimbus clouds since thunder clouds are cumulonimbus clouds so it’s not.
    Btw, the 6500 ft thing is the peak. It could be 500 to 13,000 ft
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulonimbus_cloud
    Appearance
    “The cumulonimbus base may extend several miles across and occupy low to middle altitudes- formed at altitude from approximately 500 to 13,000 ft (200 to 4,000 m).”
    This calculation you made also assumes that Krato&Zeus was at sea level instead of being on whatever he is now that’s way above sea level.
    If we go by 500 ft (200meters)
    200m/8s=25m/s
    mach 0.073
    /
    “the lightning feat in both those is reffrenced by the asker via this : www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQtKfbvabY4 to which the devs do not say this lightning is different in anyway to in game versions.”
    /
    But the devs didn’t say yes either, and instead, referred to the games where it’s slow.

  48. Alpha or Omega February 7, 2015 at 1:36 am -      #348

    “^Oh, you mean those magic, enchanted beings which both venom is not? yeah, proofs on you for that one.”
    /
    Being magic and enchanted means resistance to petrification?
    When?
    Didn’t we also go over this in Pit vs Kratos which you haven’t proved for magic and enchanting proving defense?
    /
    “^so he can assemble himself after being smashed to dust and them spreading in the wind. let alone each individual speck having to break out of its stone form”
    /
    Don’t exaggerate it, Kratos would have to hit every piece.
    /
    “. btw many normal humans like the Argonauts in gow2 were permanently pertifide.”
    /
    Which we asked the specifics for. And didn’t get.
    Nevermind that Kratos can also petrify humans and skeletons, and they break free.

  49. Warlock Lowk February 7, 2015 at 1:55 am -      #349

    “. btw many normal humans like the Argonauts in gow2 were permanently pertifide.”

    Was this by an actual gorgon or whatever or a ripped off head or nerfed soul version of it?
    ===
    “Oh, you mean those magic, enchanted beings which both venom is not?”

    Funny thing is Venom might be. It can recall traits of things it’s possesed before. One of which would include a ghost rider hulk. Aside from that it’s been cure before and basically separated itself from the curse.
    Other then that venom is capable polymorphying itself to take on different forms.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/10/107456/3037274-9762303629-shape.png

    Also would it technically petrify the suit rather then any of the host. Wouldn’t that mean they’d just break out of it and the suit would heal around them again?

  50. Ragnorke February 7, 2015 at 2:44 am -      #350

    I think i saw some people commenting on the Spiderman thing.
    I’d like to give my final opinion on it:

    He CAN reliably dodge projectiles moving at the speed of light, or any attack that follows a predictable & simple trajectory.

    He CANNOT reliably dodge a character moving at the speed of light, or any attack that does not follow a predictable & simple trajectory.

    Either way, it’s many times faster than Kratos.

  51. Rhododendron February 7, 2015 at 6:35 pm -      #351

    apparently the announcer states the redeemed prisoner in ascension can go the speed of light with the essence of hyperion (multiplayer is cannon in gow) looks like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw84DetaYA0
    —–
    ^i’ll have to find the quote, but its what i’ve heard from other debate sites.. this also goes with hermes in god of war 3 being the only character that can completely dodge a light speed attack(helios head will never hit him)

  52. Alpha or Omega February 9, 2015 at 4:43 pm -      #352

    “apparently the announcer states the redeemed prisoner in ascension can go the speed of light with the essence of hyperion (multiplayer is cannon in gow) looks like this:”
    /
    Well, this is a new claim. Do you have the quote yet?
    How does this even tie into Kratos? He never fought a redeemed prisoner with the essence of hyperion even if the essence of hyperion allows for light-speed movement.
    /
    “this also goes with hermes in god of war 3 being the only character that can completely dodge a light speed attack(helios head will never hit him)”
    /
    Do you have proof outside of game mechanics?
    /
    Sorry, I’ve been busy for the past two days.

  53. Spectral Observer February 9, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #353

    “Well, this is a new claim. Do you have the quote yet?”

    Searched it up, got this:
    ===
    youtu.be/dEaqEjgxWBs?t=6m36s
    ===
    Interesting how the inspect thing says that it’s a teleport. The fact that a Hyperion Portal has to be used in order to achieve this seems to support that even if the item legitimately allows for light speed movement, it is a teleport and can’t even be used as an attack (as far as I know). Plus even if the travel speed was at the speed of light, the “buffer time” makes it so that the teleport is still comparable to non-magic-assisted movements of other characters, who have no such explanation as to why they can apparently move at a comparable pace to a “light speed” movement. So unless the argument is that everyone and everything in GoW is apparently moving at around light speed when everything else moves at a normal pace, then why is light, as in the light flashing from lightning and other light sources faster than the alleged light speed movement of Essence of Hyperion? Why are sound, gravity, and other forces traveling at a comparable speed along with everything else? The implications are just hilarious.

    I just want to humor the description itself, since it says “Advance on your enemy with the speed of light by opening a Hyperion Portal.” I don’t know why it didn’t say at the speed of light, but that is just semantics, I suppose. Still, one cannot deny that with the description, there are a few possible conclusions that can be made here:
    a) Everyone and everything in the GoW universe is moving so ludicrously fast that light speed looks about as slow as a guy sprinting at around double speed. Light speed civilians, gravity, and sound, everyone!
    b) The teleport itself may be at light speed, but the process of destabilizing and reforming make the speed useless since it effectively nullifies a supposed light speed teleport into a few meters per second dash.
    c) The light speed teleport may be limited by the user’s RT since it only goes a few meters per second in real time.

    No doubt, GoW supporters will leap at the first possibility. Nevermind the fact that the light speed part of the description is invalidated by the simple fact that light itself from natural light sources travels noticeably faster than the alleged light speed movement of the dash. Seriously. There isn’t even a slow down effect like there is with the Boots of Hermes.

    “this also goes with hermes in god of war 3 being the only character that can completely dodge a light speed attack(helios head will never hit him)”

    Or Hermes, moving faster than Kratos, can see him pulling out Helios’ head beforehand and blocks his eyes. Plus game mechanics.

    I’m just going to sit back and watch the hilarity ensue. I wonder how long the idea of FTL GoW will stick, and if anyone is actually going to take it seriously.

  54. Alpha or Omega February 10, 2015 at 5:07 pm -      #354

    Huh, there is proof of that.
    Well I guess it’s there.
    /
    It still doesn’t prove that anyone can react to it though.

  55. Friendlysociopath February 10, 2015 at 5:53 pm -      #355

    Anyone know of a video to see it in action?

  56. Nsl98 February 10, 2015 at 8:35 pm -      #356

    Well, uh, I suppose Kratos could be getting an apology soon? His past fights may need to be looked at.

  57. Jake_Uzumaki February 10, 2015 at 9:08 pm -      #357

    I don’t know this seems like one of those described as x but when you actually look at it its nowhere near x.
    Also is the multiplayer actually canon or not?

    found a video of it, seems to be just some sort of jump boost. not all that fast either.

  58. Friendlysociopath February 10, 2015 at 9:19 pm -      #358

    I’d imagine it would be taken as hyperbole. He’s only going about double the speed of everyone else.

  59. Jake_Uzumaki February 10, 2015 at 9:55 pm -      #359

    Yeah it feels like when something is described as hot as a star or destructive as a supernova but doesn’t demonstrate it.

  60. hellboy147 February 10, 2015 at 10:31 pm -      #360

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2K034p5rfY 4:36 here the better view as a god of war fan this does not look close to speed of light unless we are power scaling or something. But again it does say “speed of light” in description.
    _

    i have a interesting point www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ1iKaoL9hA at 2:54 when Helios use the light on Kratos, Kratos puts his hands to not get blind. Is this count as a reaction timing? If so then I have to say Speed of light is legit in God of war.

  61. Spectral Observer February 10, 2015 at 11:04 pm -      #361

    @hellboy

    I don’t think that counts since Kratos was momentarily dazed by that flash of light in that moment where Helios lit up. He only covered his eyes long after the light was already everywhere and when the player is incidentally given control.

    But yeah. The description doesn’t match how the attack moves at all, unless we assume that the movement shown is light speed movement, and everything is leagues faster in comparison. Like I said, FTL light is flat out impossible because light by definition can’t be faster than itself when not in a vaccuum. On the same note, gravity, sound and all regular laws of physics act exactly like they should normally, but if the description is taken literally, that would mean that all those forces of nature are by extension also faster than light. It just doesn’t add up no matter how you look at it. Either the speed of light is laughably slow in GoW, or everything is so fast that light speed movement LOOKS slow in comparison to the regular forces of nature acting up.

    But since light acts like it does and does not match the speed in the description, what the hell is it talking about?

  62. Warlock Lowk February 10, 2015 at 11:15 pm -      #362

    “when Helios use the light on Kratos, Kratos puts his hands to not get blind.”

    Considering how you are actually blinded both via the player’s view and by kratos stumbling back himself for a brief moment I’d say he wasn’t fast enough. Seems like the arm came after the blinding light.

  63. hellboy147 February 10, 2015 at 11:16 pm -      #363

    “I don’t think that counts since Kratos was momentarily dazed by that flash of light in that moment where Helios lit up. He only covered his eyes long after the light was already everywhere and when the player is incidentally given control.”
    _

    He would have been blind otherwise. Later you see every time he removes his hand from the face he gets pushed away. But that was not the case for the first one beam,and the blast was actually strong.
    _
    And if we apply logic, Hermes is the only one who cannot be blinded by Helios head , and Kratos being able to match his speed and defeat him make sense.

  64. Spectral Observer February 10, 2015 at 11:22 pm -      #364

    What Lowk said. Also, I have to ask, does the Head of Helios work against bosses? It might be game mechanics, after all. And no, Kratos did not and could not match Hermes in speed. That was the point of using tools in the environment to catch up while Hermes fooled around, and why Hermes had to be injured by that catapult for there to even be a match.

  65. Warlock Lowk February 10, 2015 at 11:27 pm -      #365

    Essentially all the Helios scene shows is a flashbang wouldn’t last long for Kratos and that Helios is so bright it hurts.

  66. hellboy147 February 11, 2015 at 12:08 am -      #366

    @observer

    “laws of physics ”

    You know they don’t exist in Marvel, Dbz, and DC either right lol. As for Hermes yeh my bad he was faster than Kratos, and about other bosses I’m not sure but I’ll look at it.

    @observer&lowk

    As for Helios light, I’m not gonna go to any conclusion yet, let’s see what other thinks. Only concern is how he was not blinded by blast this strong. Light+ sound wave.
    Got to go now later.

  67. Warlock Lowk February 11, 2015 at 12:28 am -      #367

    He was and it hurt like shit. For the span of a few seconds.
    I bet he could walk through a hall of pepper spray and flashbangs and only shed a single tear. He’s like a cops worst nightmare.

  68. Spectral Observer February 11, 2015 at 12:37 am -      #368

    “You know they don’t exist in Marvel, Dbz, and DC either right lol”

    I know that, but there’s usually some bullshit explanation as to why laws of physics are routinely broken in those universes. Even then, you don’t have normal human beings running at the speed of light or breaking physics without some sort of excuse on the authors’ part. Otherwise, there would be nothing to compare the supers against bog-standard civilians. Unless there is some sort of explanation given, it’s usually assumed that basic laws of physics like gravity and such act as they usually do. I mean people don’t just float endlessly into space so it’s assumed that they have basic human functions which are only possible if certain physical laws are present.

  69. Friendlysociopath February 11, 2015 at 8:47 am -      #369

    As a rule, when we have to upscale an entire universe to match one feat that we’re unsure of- I tend to think the feat is wrong.

  70. Spectral Observer February 11, 2015 at 12:10 pm -      #370

    I agree. On the one hand, you have cases like Metroid where a single description up-scales already physics-breaking firepower to crazy heights, but on the other hand, you have this where the description doesn’t match anything seen in the game. It’s strange because light still behaves like light in GoW, and is neither as slow nor much faster than the Essence of Hyperion suggests. The fact that it is in a customizable multiplayer aspect of the game, which doesn’t even tie in to the story, makes it all the more doubtful.
    ===
    www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/we-talk-multiplayer-with-the-producer-of-god-of-war-ascension/

  71. Spectral Observer February 11, 2015 at 12:53 pm -      #371

    I’m interested in the discussion, and may be more on the fence than I initially thought. I mean descriptions are why fictions like Mega Man and Metroid are granted their scale of fire power but they can also be erroneous like Bayonetta’s gigatons* and Sora’s laser dodging. On Metroid, that is also the reason why the gravity numbers are constantly being contested**. Still, I’ve got more than a sliver of doubt since the description is internally inconsistent with itself given the representation. It’s the same reason why Metroid’s gravity numbers are under doubt since it doesn’t behave like it should.

    *The description for the summon Hekatoncheir does say that it can pulvurise mountains though, so…yeah.
    **Or disproven. I haven’t been keeping up to date on Metroid’s gravity fluff.

  72. Soulerous February 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm -      #372

    I’m quoting an analogy I used on the Creation Vs. Mundus thread, since the same principle is in effect here.
    ~
    ‘Paradoxes are, by their nature, meaningless. If a movie shows a car being driven at 30mph but the speedometer shows 40mph, that is a contradiction. Without further information we do not know if the speedometer was faulty or if the movie makers just made a mistake, or on which side that mistake was; we need more information to know which speed was intended. Yet since it was one or the other, we can conclude that it was at least 30mph. We cannot conclude that it was 40mph because there is a reasonable cause to doubt provided by the movie itself.’
    ~
    GoW gives us reason to doubt the game’s own move description as well as the possibility of the whole universe functioning at near-luminal rates. The latter cannot be true due to the normal appearance of light as mentioned above. The only valid conclusion is hyperbole. Or, absurdly, that “with the speed of light” literally means “accompanied by the speed of light.”

  73. Rhododendron February 11, 2015 at 6:07 pm -      #373

    the light speed thing is apparently said by Hyperion himself( somthing along the lines of “dash at the speed of light” im trying to find video evedence. ), the titan of light, also the creator of Hyperion gates for teleportation across vast distances. could just be everything in GoW is fast, hermes actively and completly dodges helios head flare in god of war 3 yet kratos is still able to hit him.

  74. Rhododendron February 11, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #374

    godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperion_Spear
    —–
    ^ wut = “Forged inside the Sun’s core, this spear possesses the strength to bear the weight of the cosmos.”
    ——
    ^ummm, is there a real sun in god of war now?

  75. Alpha or Omega February 11, 2015 at 7:33 pm -      #375

    “could just be everything in GoW is fast,”
    /
    I think not.
    If you want to go under that logic, Super Smash Bros characters are all near the speed of light.
    Nearly all the Sonic characters are light speed.
    Really, the only thing that’s light speed is the user with essence of hyperion.
    /
    The only thing you could debate for is with reaction times, and that’s only for the redeemed prisoners or any multiplayer characters..
    /
    “hermes actively and completly dodges helios head flare in god of war 3 yet kratos is still able to hit him.”
    /
    Or Hermes can react when Kratos pulls the head. Not the flare. This is aside from obvious game mechanics.
    /
    Kratos only hits him when he’s wounded or surprised.

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